>game has luck stat >you have NO IDEA what the fuck

>never waste points on it anyway

what is binding of isaac

>>379694125
Just like real life.

___ ___ _______ __________!

>Luck has no effect on anything but is a stat regardless.

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>Google it
>Now you know what the fuck it relates to

>>379694162
In Isaac luck increases your chance of getting special tears to come out with items like mom's eyeshadow

>>379694125
Am I the only person who always prioritizes the LUCK stat?

>game has Bait stat
>it's always effective at luring certain foes

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>>379694125
GTA San Andreas anyone? What the fuck was the point? It didn't affect your odds at winning in the casinos, nor did it help with combat. Why was it there?

>not throwing all your stats into Stache points for shits and giggles.

>Set luck to lowest possible value
>All outcomes are equally likely

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Even if I know what it relates to, it's usually some trivial percentage increase to trivial chances I don't give a shit about.

At best, it increases chances to critical, but I never rely on criticals in the first place.

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>luck increases drop chance for quests
>it's the only stat you need since improving equipment is enough
>luck helps make better quality equipment as well

>Game has a stat that does literally nothing
For what purpose

>>379694394
noob trap

>>379694274
>Am I the only person who always prioritizes the LUCK stat?

It's boring.

So the character succeeds just because of totally random shit happening that lets him win? If you intentionally wrote a story like that, it is just bad writing. Plain bad writing.

If a game doesn't clearly explain exactly what it does I just end up looking it up online to find the math behind it. You want to fuck with me, game? No. I'm the gamer here. I say what goes.

>>379694293
it's not a stat
it's just another set of collectibles for the LV area
just like the gang tags was for the LS area and the photographs for SF

>>379694370
Jesus Christ.

Back in the OG avernum games, luck (among other things) gave you a percentile chance to dodge a death blow regardless of enemy accuracy

If you went 100% all-in on luck for your 'tank', it got pretty ridiculous in the end

>>379694293
>Why was it there?
To fuck with autists who need 100% completion in everything.

>>379694476
But we're not writing a story, we're playing a game. Luck has been an integral part of games since the dawn of time.

>>379694394
dump stat for if you don't want to put any points into other stats
mostly used to gimp yourself if you want to make the game more challenging or for RPing purposes

>>379694497
Did I say something ridiculous?

>>379694370
who is this braphog

>>379694538
I didn't even read your post.

>>379694538
I think he's referring to the semen demon in the picture

>>379694125
>dark souls 3
>the only thing even remotely related to luck increased by the luck stat is item discovery

>>379694263
It also affects chances with slot machines and blood banks, as well as the chance of getting a pickup upon clearing a room. Honestly it's a more important stat than shot speed or even arguably range.

>>379694665
That curse resist bro.

>>379694476
You sound speciously retarded.

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>>379694652
>>379694660
I know.

>>379694125
>You can increase health or defense
>Health increases at a far better rate

>>379694125
>max out luck and dexterity stat
>equip every piece of gear with flat bonuses to these
>cause an integer overflow when critical hits and accuracy are determined
>always critical hit and never miss
What game desu

So is he coming or not?

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>>379694125
>Luck only raises your magic accuracy and by such a tiny amount it doesn't even matter

>>379694846
Some shitty jrpg?

>>379694826
Health is best for when spells ignore defense, otherwise always max out defense first

>>379694846
>max out crit
>stack crit boosting gear
>chance to double crit

>>379694893
actually WRPG, but I think some JRPG has it too

>luck stat has no relevance to luck, and is instead just a small increase in stats, resistances or damage

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>>379694389

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>>379694887
Doesn't it greatly affect the difficulty of demon negotiations too? It definitely does in some of the other MegaTen games.

>>379694908
This is why I always liked Pokémon's system where you have separate physical and special attack and defense stats. Makes knowing your moves and your opponent's stats way more important than maxing all of your stats.

>>379694846
New Vegas

>>379694125
Its always fucking different depending on the game and its intentionally made vague as fuck.

>Final Fantasy
Completely fucking varies but FFVII, FFVIII and FFX in particular it increases evasion, hit and, critical chance and is the best stat despite there being no way to actually influence until very late into the games. Then you have FFI where it affects chance to flee battles (completely broken in the original NES release and does not work as intended.)

>Fire Emblem
Generally increase hit, evasion, crit avoidance and chance of backfire from devil weapons. Then you have shit like Gaiden where it is the sole stat governing magic avoid but Gaiden is weird as fuck anyway.

>>379694313
That comes with some nice discounts at shops once you got it high enough, which makes up for your other stats being lower with better items.

>>379694125
>game has 4 different stats
>they're just damage for different classes and do jack shit for the other ones
Why?

>>379695125
In Nocturne it only slightly improves your magic accuracy, ambush rate, and as long as you aren't playing on Hard Mode your escape chance.
Doesn't do anything for negotiations, crits, status ailments, drops, etc, at all according to the guy that did the Nocturne Hardtype hack, and seeing how he changed and adjusted all those things I'd assume he knows best

>>379694908
There is never a reason to raise defense over health
>Defense is usually divided between physical and magical while health is not
>Armor can be equipped raising defense,
nothing standardly gives more health
>High defense but low health is harder to gauge your critical zone
>Larger health pools allow for more viability for spike damage tanking and stat gain at below percent health and other similar shit
I can't actually think of any reason to build defense over health.

>Game has luck stat
>Gives very marginal boosts to item drop rates

>>379695148
>Level Jesse, who has good skill and luck growth
>Make him a villager, then into archer path.
>Currently level 5 Sniper with 32 Skill and 30 Luck
>With a Killer Blow, using its ability, has a base 92 chance to crit.

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>this stat affects many different things

>>379695424
>>379694908
You guys are weirdos. Health and defense are practically always multiplicative, you need to raise them in the optimal ratio.

>>379694125
>Game let's you either be good or bad
>It has a karma system that penalizes you for being bad

>>379694190
what?

>>379695269
>not doing full stache no equip runs
Pleb

>>379695424
What if the enemy has a attack that deals damage based on a percentage of your life?
What if the enemy does multiple attacks per second that could be reduced by damage blocks?
Defense is objectively better then life in such scenarios.

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>>379695509
>>this stat affects many different things
FUCK THIS SHIT

>>379694394
>original release is bugged and one of the stats literally does nothing
>all of the bugs like this are fixed in later ports
>people still insist the half-functioning original is the best version of the game

>>379695616
You know, the thing HE says whenever he shows up

because the op image looks suspiciously like something HE would get triggered by

>>379695424
All the health in the world doesn't mean shit if your healer can't keep up with incoming damage because you have 0 defence

>>379695424
>100 health and 10 defense
>Take 90 damage per hit
>10 heath and 100 defense
>Take 0 damage per hit
And this is why you are bad at video games.

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>>379695615
>Game gives perks and cons to being good/evil
>Evil cons always massively outweigh the perks

>>379695635
Actually multiple attacks are worse for defense build if scratch damage must always be dealt

>>379695424
>>379695518

What I usually do is invest a point in one for every point I invest in the other, treating them like a single stat I have to level up in halves.

Unless the game has a bunch of different defensive stats then I'm not really sure what to do, would depend on the game.

>luck increases all your stats.

>>379695746
There are ways to take advantage of low defense like mirror damage, cant say the same for health.

>>379695424
It depends on the game and how damage is calculated. Defense can be viable if damage can be totally (or effectively, with scratch damage weight against huge JRPG numbers) nullified. Health is generally better if there are multiple types of damage in common use, or if you're taking large amounts of damage even at high Defense values.

>>379694394
Literally just bad game design. I wouldn't mind if it was a skill based game but in old crpgs using a bad build basically makes the game unplayable.

>>379695749
What is armor penetration?

>>379695981
>Can't say the same for health
You've never played games with armor piercing damage effects?

How about constant sustained damage that needs to be offset with % regeneration/healing?

>>379696037
A feature not present in every vidya.

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>>379694804
This is all I see, fuck that goddamn frog.

10 Luck builds in New Vegas are really really strong.

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>Seemingly a bad stat
>But

Luck affects everything you do in some small way.

>Luck stat work for exactly 1 fight in the game

Fucking Fate Extra

>>379694125
>Start game
>Max out luck in the character creation screen
>Max out intelligence as well since what's better than being intelligent and lucky
>Spread remaining points evenly
>Everything in game kills me
>Character is not actually lucky

>>379694125
Luck should just lower the level of non quest enemies in the game, make it a random chance that gets better the more points you dump into it
From players perspective your character is really lucky

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>legs are a stat

>>379696327
>implying you need to be smart if you're lucky

LCK, STR, END all day erry day

>>379696042
>How about constant sustained damage that needs to be offset with % regeneration/healing?
Isn't that what life steal is for?

>>379696576
>game has random encounters
>what happens and what loot you get is determined by luck
>low luck has incredibly difficult and kind of shitty RE's with bad loot
>high luck has super cool RE's with sick loot

I want this

>>379694125
>99% chance to attract a dogfucker

>>379696750
I mean you're not really wrong but in the context of this discussion you're basically now just going
>pick 1 or 2
>"I pick 3 xD"

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>game has stache insted of luck

>>379694209

Scrub

>Magic Find is a stat
>doesn't increase the chance of a rare item dropping, just increases the chance that you may get to roll on a table where a rare drop can come from
>and even then, it doesn't effect half the sources of drops you can encounter

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>>379694125
>game has stats
>nowhere in game does it give you the exact effect every one has on every aspect of gameplay
I will never understand why RPG developers don't want players to know how to play their game.

>>379694125
But that's EXACTLY what luck is anon.

Think about that one.

>>379694153

>not pumping the shit out of luck just in case

>>379695424
Isn't health by itself kinda useless depending on the game?

You know, it doesn't matter if you have 100 or 50 health, the potion is still gonna heal 20hp, so by raising defense you have to use less health potions.

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>>379697146
Less information makes roleplaying and immersion easier
"Oh fuck +5 Strength now im going to hit like a truck!" is sometimes more enjoyable than "eh +5 strength but since im using a one handed weapon it only gives me half the amount of damage increase +5 dexterity would give me, better grind for items a bit more to get the optimal stat increase"

>>379697146
>Game has x slayer trait that increases damage against certain types of monsters
>It's strictly worse than just straight up damage boosting traits

>>379697498
You are what is ruining rpgs.

>>379697547
I stated the reasoning for less information, doesnt mean I agree with it

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>fight guy
>you can't hit him
>check his stats
>he has low dex but max luck

>>379696790
Eh. It would kinda force you to almost always go luck wouldn't it?
Like how in games with a lockpicking skill you almost always need to level it or lose out on like 50% of all loot.

>>379697582
Ok. Sorry anon. I hate it when they try to make gameplay systems an immersive experience or whatever. Can they just keep that shit in skippable cutscenes, thanks.

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>>379697146
>game has hidden stats and formulas
>you need to learn these inorder too beat the harder enemies/bosses
Why hide this shit in the first place?

>>379697484
You could ask the same thing about defense if an attack can do flat damage

when it comes to Japanese games luck is the stat that tends to break the game and make it too easy.

>>379694293
I remember it would cause crazy shit to occasionally happen if it was too low. For example, sometimes planes would just randomly crash into you while playing and often kill you. Getting the collectibles increased luck and stopped that from happening. It's a useless stat in the sense it basically only exists to annoy you.

>>379697808
What would be the point of a defense stat if it doesn't do anything?

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>>379697146
>game uses some fantasy language for its magic spells
>has no descriptions for what anything does
>you can't tell if the spell you cast was some vague status ailment spell or if it missed entirely

Lets just throw in a classic and get it over with
>Game has lots of negative status effects
>Only enemies it'd worth using on is bosses
>Bosses either have a huge chance to resist them or are completely immune making it a waste of time to try and use it on them.

>>379697547
I guess, but I play RPGs for the number crunch and munchkining. I never get immersed in anything turn-based or heavily numbers-driven since it's so inherently abstracted.

>>379697547
You are what's turning Role Playing Games into Roll Playing Games
Go back to refining your Pun Pun build

>>379694370
Melbourne Australia, I went to that school

>>379698145
God I hate it when games try to make useful descriptive game terms sound unique for no other reason than to sound unique.

>instead of EXP we call it ShardForce
>instead of Energy/MP let's call it Projections
>instead of levels let's call it Firezones

Like what is the point? It's only needlessly making the game harder to figure out for no reason what so ever? I remember Warframe being really bad with it,

>>379694748
Iirc in the original Binding of Isaac was bugged and having -1 luck caused the game to always drop chests

>>379698348
Why the fuck would you play video games if you wanted to actually play a role?

>>379697395

Just in case you get lucky?

>>379698386
Why the fuck would you play video games if all you want is to roll dice and crunch stats?

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>game has item/gold find
>you max it
c:goya boaventura

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>>379694125
>Game has all Luck as a viable build
>It's the most fun in the game

>>379698279
Meant for >>379697498

>>379698348
Tweaking builds is by far the most fun a non-tabletop role-playing game can offer through gameplay. If you want to be immersed in your character being a badass, play God of War or some shit. And it's not like making the mechanics visible in-game will prevent you from mashing attack like the mouth breather you are, so I don't see what you're upset about.

>>379698451
That's exactly what computers are good at, anon. You can't flip the point back when it makes perfect sense.

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>>379698386
You take a role in every game with a fiction tied to it.
You cannot escape this.

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This is pretty fun.

>>379694190
'O MY RUBBER NEN'

>>379698013
Plenty of games have attacks that ignore defense or just deal a fixed damage, its not that defense does nothing, its just these attacks make defense useless.

>>379698496
You know what else is good at rolling dice? Dice.

>>379698623
They're actually pretty awful. You've got geometry deciding your possible random ranges and stuff.

>>379698513

>Vladyn with the long gun and high luck build
>melt everything with crits in about 2 seconds

Sequel when?

>>379698451
>Things computers are good at: crunching numbers

>Things computers are bad at: responding organically to player interaction in anything beyond pre-determined parameters

If you want to roleplay, get some friends.

>>379698564
Well if the game is not balanced properly and doesn't work then of course you shouldn't pump things into defense.

>>379694476
Then explain Forrest Gump you shithead

>>379698513
but what does it do

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Personally, I hate the luck stat.
In-game luck should be purely dependant on the "real" luck.
i know computers only produce pseudorandom numbers stfu

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>Stack Luck stat to get infinite critical hits
>Your Strength stat is only 2
>Do around 6 damage per hit due to crit

>Stack strength instead
>Strength stat is 20
>Do around 20 damage per hit

Luck shitters BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>379698665
Not if you don't keep track of how you pick up the dice and try to abuse the dice's physics to get what you want. But come on, you don't actually do that. Only Ulililia is that autistic.

>>379698816
>online role playing games don't exist and aren't ruined by a powergamer's mindset
when an MMO implements an ingame spreadsheet to keep track of exp gain as a paid service is when I know this shit got out of hand

>>379699080
>skill gives you great buffs and heals every time you crit
>they stack

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>>379699080
>there are different levels of crit
>the highest level is armor piercing and 10x damage

>>379694476
Gladstone Gander from duck comics did nothing

>>379699164
I mean, my response to your bit about MMOs is the same: find some friends who don't care about powergaming, and play the game with them. Nothing wrong with gamers gaming a system.

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>tfw you're too fucking dumb but still so lucky that you can do a successful brain surgery

>>379699080
>do 0 damage on crit
>still one-shot enemy

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>Stack Cha
>All shop items are 1 gold
>Buy a million stat boosting items
>Break game

>>379694394
nocturne

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>stamina
>it increases your overall health
>it actually raises your resistance

>>379699080
some games have multiple types of crit
the strongest one is the instant death crit that kills the target regardless of his armor/health or your damage

>>379694125
>negative luck is actually the best
>>379695658
Name one (1) game.

>>379700254
>Name one (1) game.
Final Fantasy I comes to mind.

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>>379698513
Wait a minute, I recognize that support character...

>>379694476
Sore wa chigau yo

>girl wears high heels while getting fucked
hot

>>379694804
Wait do his glasses have LEDs on the inner side?

>>379694394
There's a special place in hell for games that do this.

>>379701081
Have you heard about reflections anon?

>>379700254
>>379700340
Final Fantasy 1 and 6.

Intelligence does nothing in FF1, and the critical hit system is glitched and ignores the crit rate on your weapon; instead it uses the index number indicating when the weapon was put into the game.

Physical evasion does not work in FF6, and everything instead checks magical evasion.

>>379698513
Is that Reize from Shovel Knight? What the hell is this?

I put very few or no points in luck unless it's clearly a great and genuinely stat in the game. Every time.
Because fuck RNG. RNG is cancer.

>>379701393
Valdis Story: Abyssal City
One of the backer reward was design a character for the game. Of course, that autist couldn't resist the opportunity.

It's a good game.

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>>379699459
>dump points into luck in NV
>go to casino and proceed to win every single round of blackjack

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>>379698468
>Playing Greed modes with Keeper

>>379694190
die you degenerate barneyfag?

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>>379701176

>There's a defense stat.
It only increases health.
>There's a health stat
It increases resistances to status debuffs

>>379701393
>What the hell is this?

Valdis Story, a surprisingly decent metroidvania.

And yeah that's Reize from Shovel Knight. His creator is some rich autist that pays to have his steel donut added in various kickstarter games.

So poise in dark souls 3?

>>379701684

Well I guess I'm not playing through Spectre ever.

>>379694804
I still refuse to believe Mads Mikkelsen isn't secretly an axe murderer IRL.

>>379701786
Poise actually does help resist stagger and knockdown, but is only active for a handful of frames on a handful of weapons
If you use CE and change a single value from a 0 to a 1, you can have poise on all the time and it vastly improves the game

>>379694394
Dark souls 3 poise?

>Game doesn't explain the stat system properly.
>Have no information on what sort of important skills you will be able to get.
>You need to redo the first part of the game repeatably with trial and error to figure out how to build non-shit character or rely on the internet.

Pretty much every rpg.

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>>379701584
>savescum every few hands
>get close to jackpot limit
>play slots and win the jackpot
>end up with 4k extra caps
I don't get why retards say max luck makes the gold bars from Dead Money worthless,
even with max luck and doing this strat at every casino AND carrying out as much gold from DM as I could, I always end up poor as shit.

>>379702128
Only a couple of games, nearly every game adequately explains its stats ingame or in the manual and the tutorial area or starter area are usually enough to judge your build.

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>>379698809
I haven't done a Vladyn run yet because Gilda's magic was damn good fun to experiment with.
>>379698935
Whenever 3-4 consecutive critical hits land, they activate a 5-second lucky streak during which all of your attacks crit. Fists are the fastest weapons, so you're able to activate streaks very quickly and pummel enemies equally fast.

>game has a stat/skill that can only be used twice in the entire game

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>stat gains are randomized upon leveling
I can never decide if I like this or not. I mean, I'll always prefer a game that allows you to decide your own stat gains, but if you gain them automatically by leveling, is the potential elation on getting a good level worth the potential for a totally gimped character if you get a string of bad ones?

>fallout 2

>10 luck, jinxed trait

>everything cripples/hurts itself trying to attack you

Luck is fun.

>>379694370
I see you've never played Dungeon Siege 3, then.

>>379696231
Luck 10 is easy mode for NV
>crits on nearly every hit
>rush new Vegas and get banned at all the casinos in a few minutes to get all the caps you need

>>379702771
How could they have not included the jinxed trait in New Vegas?

>>379702463
I feel like random level gains are only good if the game has some kind of safety net to stop you from getting a bogus levelup, like only getting +1 HP or something.

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>luck increases chance to apply debuffs and DoT like poison
>bosses are immune to debuffs and DoT

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>>379703870
>2% chance of inflicting 5 burn damage over 10 seconds
>5% chance to decrease enemy defense by 1%
>on receiving damage, 10% chance to reduce damage by 6% if your health is below 30%

I looked up what Luck does in Dragon Quest III and nobody knows.
>>379694313
Stache is one of the best stats yo. Store discount and crits for days.

>>379703448
luck only matters for crits since FO3
they would have to code all those nice "accidentally dropped gun/shot himself/gun blew up/slipped and knocked down/gun jam" stuff

What game has the best luck stat?

>>379698513
>Str
>Agi
>Int
>>Luck
oh fuck, my autism

>>379704931
I don't blame you, it's a bit irritating.

>>379698905
Forrest Gump is a terribly written movie

>>379698362
It wasn't a bug, just a cheap workaround for Guppy's Tail.

>>379701612
That could very well be a clover from mlp. Only barneyfag would know.

>>379705256
how can someone be this pleb?

>>379694370
this image.

why even take it? this girl likely went to schoolies less than a year later where she probably went full slut and flashed heaps of guys.

honestly tho go to queensland in the summer time for tons of premium jail bait

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>>379698351
Apart from the shit combat in wildstar this turned me off completely

Just look at this shit. When I first saw it I was like, 'what the fuck do any of these stats even do?'. I never played long enough to find out because it was just a shitty MMO anyway

Fallout 1 & 2
Sniper perk
Crits all day erry day

>>379697962
>playing SA
>a plane crashed on my car
>nobody believed me

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>>379705821
Why not only change it between physical and 'ranged'/psychic classes, sort of like how pokemon does it?
This is "they told me to be inventive to keep my job so I thought way too much about it"-tier

>>379695367
>Hardtype
Wtf? how can you make this game harder without turning it into a grindfest?

>>379698269

What is Final Fantasy series?

>>379705821
Stats this complicated just make the game a chore IMO

>>379706083
The entire game tried way too hard to be unique and funny so it makes sense that their stats are like that too. Apparently they did update the stat system but I don't care enough to see if it's any better

>>379706170
>Makes a monster that vomits every status ailment on you at once
>It's a recurring enemy

>>379706170
Why do they do this? Every single game they give you blind, gravity, poison, slow, completely worthless on anything but bosses, so why the immunity? Fucking nipponshit

>Luck stat
>Occasionally gives you a proc which has a chance to increase your chance to crit.

>>379706474
>blue mage learns Marlboro breath
>it doesn't work on 99% of bosses
>blue mage has left the party

>>379704197

>16% chance of dealing 2% additional damage on a Tuesday
>Doubles the chance of resisting the status effect that only appears on one boss in the game, that you already beat
>Graphically flips 157 coins on the screen and if they're all heads the enemy dies and the game turns off

>>379706556
This is why Haste and Slow are considered Broken Spells

>>379701802
Actually Reize is handled pretty decently in Spectre. He tries to be a cool hero guy but gets corrupted by the Enchantress, which results in a good-ass boss fight and becomes the guy who sends you to the different levels

I'll never forget that soul calibur had a luck stat that gave crit chance
but like....the gear only gave like 5%

>>379704197
This is literally just Guild Wars 2

didn't dragons dogma have like double crits or some shit

>>379708360
Dragon's Dogma doesn't even have a luck stat or critical hits.

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>>379705821

>deflecting crits is its own stat

>>379697962
This isn't true. The plane crashing phenomenon is a bug where a plane spawns in the wrong place on the wrong path. The story goes that Rockstar knew about the glitch, but thought it was hilarious so they kept it in.

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>>379698351
It's like calling Zombies "Infested" or "Zeds" when in real life everyone would just say Zombie.

>>379694517
I am playing a game. I can get lucky and score a crit or a special item. I can be unlucky too. I as the player have my own luck which affects the outcomes in the game.

Does my own strength affect how strong my avatar's attacks are? Does my endurance and ability to run a few miles without stopping mean that my character necessarily has high endurance? No. But my luck does directly affect the game, and this is why every game that has a luck stat is stupid.