This game is bad. And no, I don't mean, that I dislike this

sorry about your shit taste m8

>n, that this game is full of badly executed ideas.
>e can shitpost gamess like Bloodborne, New Zelda or others to the end of th

WOW lol, yeah sorry about your shit taste

Blame FF12. That's when this series turned super-niche with all the dumb laggy inputs.

I remember back in the day when Final Fantasy was general audience. You didn't even have to read reviews before buying it.

>>379691916
good arguments mate

I really didn't think they could make a worse FF than XIII. Then XV came out. complete garbage. the only good thing about the game was Cidney.

>>379691916
> retard detected

bloodborne and BoTW shit on FFXV and it's not even close

>objective
>opinion

>>379691825
>completely objective opinion
The ultimate oxymoron

>>379691825
>This game is bad.

Stopped reading there Shitposter-kun.

We all know it's bad. No need to state the obvious.

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>>379691825
No the game is great. It is is great, the game is full of well executed ideas. Only objective thing here is that you're a dipshit trying to force your shitty opinion as fact while you are talking out of your ass.

> the gameplay is just broken. You can't die.
No it isn't an you can die. Stop lying.

>just don't spam items you casual!
So you are lying that you can't somehow die in the game, just because you spam items to prevent death?

>that the full game will be ballanced and this game just throws elixirs at you when they could be rare
But elixirs in XV are the only way to refill to max HP during battle, because you have 2 HP bars in XV where one is your current HP and the other is your max HP. Daemons all damage you on your max HP so unless you have elixirs against them you are fucked. You would literally be crying like a little bitch if you didn't have elixers to heal with because using a potion only fills your current HP up to what your max HP is, it doesn't refill your max HP up back to full, only Elixirs can do that which is why they are more common in XV than in other FFs.

The combat feels great, there is no input lag, the animation are smooth, responsive and fluid, the game isn't balanced around holding anything. You can tap to attack and get manual finishers from doing it, you also have directional inputs and aerial combat, hit recoveries, aerial dodge, you can tap to dodge roll or block, you tap to warp and warp strike, you tap to switch weapons, you tap to jump, etc.

Holding is never required and all it does is repeat the input when you hold attack for the duration you hold it, and all holding block does is put you in an evasive stance that consumes MP, you are better off using dodge rolls which has animation cancels or using shields for blocks which can stagger enemies and make them vulnerable.

I mean it's OK that you are an idiot but at least put some effort into your shitpost.

>>379692095
>>379692972
Trying too hard there.

I agree OP this is probably one of the worst games I have ever played, the only redeeming qualities I can think of was the OST and the photo taking.

>>379693186
>Trying too hard there
irony

>>379693195
>>379693214
Resetting your IP again huh?

>>379691825
>abloo bloo its bad bcuz u can heal
No.

Blame FFXIV for draining all of the company's resources

>>379693186
>XV-kun is still sperging about this shit game

>>379693391
>bcuz u can heal
Because you can heal forever and there's no risk of possibly dying, even when you're dead

I think my biggest gripe is most of the main plot points and story happen off screen. Like who the fuck thought that was a good idea.

>>379693186
>the game is great
>*gets forgotten one week after release*
really makes me think

>>379694431
then why does this thread exist lol

>>379694061
>Shitposter sperging out because he got BTFO and he desperately reset his IP again.

>>379694187
>Lying again
Fact 1: You can die
Fact 2: The only way to prevent death is with items or avoid damage all together.
Fact 3: If you have no items you can't heal
Fact 4: If you hit 0HP and have no phoenix downs you will get a game over.
Stop desperately lying about you somehow not being able to die just because you can heal.
>>379694431
>Still trying to push this narrative
>After countless people constantly begging SE to add new stuff to the game and SE adding new stuff to the game because fans want more
Man you're fucking desperate.

>>379691825
>just gimp yourself and the game will be challenging
there's actually a term to describe this already, "scrubs"

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

although it's usually used for competitive games, adding in artificial difficulty/rules onto yourself in a single player game to make it "good" is almost exactly the same concept

>>379694187
There is risk.

>>379694431
>He says while in a FFXV thread months after release.

>>379691825
I liked the game until it shat itself in chapter 9

>>379691825
>First thing first, the gameplay is just broken. You can't die. Actually, getting killed is one of the hardest thing to achieve in this game,
Hilariously, the only time I ever died (on normal mode, didn't play on easy) was when I was acclimating to the Regalia-F landing controls and killed everyone inside the car.

It doesn't really speak well of the game. Either the learning curve was far too generous or I'm good at action/RPG hybrids. It's probably the former because I don't really play action RPGs that often.

>>379694814
>you can heal with potions
>if you die, you have second hp bar
>party members can revive you then
>you can heal with items too
>if you somehow avoid getting healed you can still ressurect yourself with pheonix down

yup, perfectly fine
i still have to hear from someone who actually saw the game over screen before crashing regalia into the ground

>>379691825
>objective
>opinion
pick one

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>>379693835
>game in development for 10 years
>not a drain on resources
Both Nomura and Tabata should be fired from Square Enix. FF12 took like 6 years and Matsuno was fired for it.

FFXV's development cycle was unforgivable, even considering it was an entirely different game for its first 4-5 years of existence.

>>379694982
All they need to do in a hard mode is put a hard cap on how many healing items you can carry.

>>379695040
Yeah and?

First of all you die only when your second HP is fully depleted because that is your actual max HP, using a potion only restores your current HP to whatever your max HP is.

Your party members can die, what's your point?

You are literally complaining that you can use healing items in a game to prevent death.

Never mind that the only two modes in the game currently are easy or normal. Hard mode isn't in the game yet.

>>379695181
>All they need to do in a hard mode is put a hard cap on how many healing items you can carry.
should have shipped with it then, that's their fault. I'm not playing another 70+ hour JRPG until it's been a decade and I've forgotten the story.

>>379695136
Tabata only took 3 years on XV and made it profitable and SE is now currently in the best financial state they've ever been in.

The problems with XVs developement were only back when it was Versus when Nomura was in charge, everything went on track once Tabata came onboard and saved the game once they actually started making it properly.

>>379695219
I don't care if you're going to play it again or not, but acting like when they do put those updates in would mean that your complaints would fall to the wayside since they would have been addressed.

Who is more of a cuck, Anthony Hurch or XV-kun?
Or are they, actually, in reality one and the same?

>>379695369
You.

>>379695251
It took them 10 years and the game was still shit mate.

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>catch 3 red frogs
wow good gameplay
>turn them in
>catch 3 green frogs
great quest
>be told to find 5 bear traps
i'm astonished by the high quality of these quests. It's giving me the warm fuzzies i remember from Azeroth!

>but acting like when they do put those updates in
>would would would
why should anyone give a shit about "would" and "will"? pic related

>>379695181
>defending a game created by developers so lazy they didn't even add a hard mode at launch
lol, what a cuck

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>>379695476
>>379695346

>>379695418
No it did not and no it wasn't. FFXV wasn't in development for 10 years, it was only in development for 3 with the current dev team, engine and budget for the final game. Versus was just announced as a project they wanted to do 10 years prior but that never got properyl started and was nothing but a bunch of vague concepts.

By your logic Nioh and Mother 3 were in development for 12 years because they were announed 12 years before they came out. That isn't how development works. Just because you announce something a long time ago doesn't mean it's being worked on full time the whole time.

>>379695369
>waah someone defended the game proved me wrong so he's a cuck!?
>i-ill call him anthony burch?! t-that's gonna show him!

>>379695476
FF15fags wil defend this.

>>379695515
Where's BOTWs hard mode?

>>379695515
>>379695536
>B-but these random sidequests is somehow the same as the other sidequests where you go through unknown dungeons to fight the boss at the end and find all kinds of loot and rare weapons in them!?
>B-but the on tour quests are somehow the same as catch frog quests!?
No, but hey you have to cherrypick so you can spout your bullshit because you know you're full of shit.

And everyone is asking for things like hardmode and updates which is why they are putting them in, so the question is why are you acting like they don't count? Mad that your little shitposts are going to be objectively invalid soon?

>>379695515
>it's lazy if you don't put a hard mode in
Man this is just reaching.

>>379695715
See >>379695814
And stay BTFO

>>379695715
Defend what? More like you're going to desperately reset your IP and act like retrarded shitposts are somehow accurate when they are deliberately misleading and full of shit because they can't think of an actual valid argument to make.

>>379695476
So it's OK for FF9 to have a frog catching sidequest but not for FFXV to do the same?

>>379695782
missing because it's a shit game
>>379695814
>Man this is just reaching.
you must be a hell of a cuck to defend a game that came out in 2017 and lacks a basic feature most games have launched with for the past 20-30 years

>>379695947
the difference there was you actually got something worthwhile in IX for catching frogs.

is there a plinkett pasta for ffxv?

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somehow this garbage game has an 81/100 on metacritic. Reviews these days are so absolutely pointless and misleading is just better to ignore them.

>>379696010
>b-but that's different!?
No it's the same thing

>>379696151
>Reviews these days
Try over a decade back.

>>379695989
Oh so you're just shitposting.

Where are the hardmodes in FF1-14?

>>379696010
You mean some common items and basic stuff?

Someone have this Tabata statement after changed heart?

>>379696203
The fetch quest in XV could have been anything and it would have been bad. You're reaching.

>objective opinion
You fucked up three sentences in.

>>379695603
>it was only in development for 3 with the current dev team, engine and budget for the final game. Versus was just announced as a project they wanted to do 10 years prior but that never got properyl started and was nothing but a bunch of vague concepts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Final_Fantasy_XV

>From 2006 to 2013, XV was developed by what was then Square Enix 1st Production Department.

>http://www.mognetcentral.com/threads/se-business-divisions-ff16-ito-debate-goes-here-nowhere-else.2927/

I presume that the wiki article meant Department No. 2 under 1st Production, and Versus' dev cycle was 2006-2013, so we're looking at games released under #2 from that time period. Crisis Core was just wrapped up, so that leaves just the 3rd Birthday and Type-0. 3rd Birthday is a PSP game so the production cost is low (compared to a console or PC game), so effectively we can ignore that. Type-0 originally began as a fucking mobile game, but got rebranded into a PSP game, so again, development costs and attention were quite low. This means that, so long as 1st Production Department #2 was really the only department involved in Versus, it had the entire undivided attention (minus 2 PSP games) of that staff for 7 years.

That's quite unacceptable, honestly.

Further on the wiki seems to prove my fears:

>By June 2011, the game was reportedly still only in the pre-production phase.[28] Full production on Versus XIII began in September of that year, and it was apparently planned for release in late 2014.[29][30] According to later staff, Versus XIII was only 20-25% complete when the change of name and platform took place, with Tabata saying that the game "never really took shape".[31][32] According to staff, when Tabata arrived the production team were "exhausted and fretful".[25]

Normally there aren't a lot of people involved in preproduction. The fact that Division#2's staff was getting "exhausted" is really telling of Nomura's management.

>>379696151
Yeah, because the game is easily a 9/10.

>>379696312
You're reaching and in denial while lying.

>>379696279
>Where are the hardmodes in FF1-14?
Don't need them because, for the most part, they're well-balanced. I can think of multiple times I've been given a game over and forced to learn in those games.

Whereas in FFXV I did not die once, outside of my crash in the Regalia-F. FFXV is so easy, it's like playing some sort of 90s cheat-godmode game with infinite HP enabled.

>>379696464
I'm not defending the XV fetchquests at all. What's your argument?

>>379691825
>It is completely objective opinion
Nah, it's just a bad game, m8.

>>379696512
>ff
>hard
>ever

>>379693186
You're being ridiculous. You *can* die, but it's virtually impossible to do so, since every time you come close the game pauses and essentially asks "Do you want to die? Y N"

Items are completely broken in FFXV, and the only reason they are that way is because even the dev team lacked faith that the combat was good enough to allow the player to avoid damage through skill.

>>379696279
>Where are the hardmodes in FF1-14?
included with the games, why do you ask?
>inb4 b-b-but FF1 didn't have a hard mode!!
its also 28 years old, nice to see the series isn't progressing at all

>>379696583
items have been "broken" in every ff

>>379695181
>game is fundamentally unbalanced at launch
>b-but it'll be good when they add hard mode a year later
Get fucked Toriyama apologist.

>>379696570
>spend your whole turn using a potion
>can't attack since it's an opportunity cost

>press R2 and spam as many potions as you have in your inventory in real time
>barely any opportunity cost, just spam2win

why yes, the first one makes it more difficult
i'm not surprised that kingdom hearts babbies and other assorted action game retards can't handle resource management though

>>379691825
great graphics, gameplay feels lackluster. disappointed

>>379696638
not when you have to spend your entire turn to use them

the problem here is that FFXV is realtime and still treats items like they're turn-based in potency. and that's the fault of Square and its retarded staff.

>>379696638
Only recent ones. In FFI, elixers, ethers, and phoenix downs didn't exist, so you had to actually manage resources before going into dungeons. In FFIII, there was a hard cap on the number of Phoenix Downs in the entire game; couldn't buy them, couldn't steal them. Even as late as FFV, Ethers and Phoenix Downs were fairly rare and relatively expensive to buy early-to-mid-game.

Granted, after FFV balance was never even a secondary concern for Square, but FFXV is by far the worst it's been since FFVIII.

>>379696720
Even Kingdom Hearts has a decently long animation before items take effect, and you don't pause reality to use them. If you're on 1HP and you toss an elixir, you better be somewhere safe.

>>379696394
Versus didn't even exist as a game in 2006, or 2007, or 2008, or 2009. It only had 3 CG animators who made 2 CG concept trailers in their spare time back in 2006 then in 2007, which they just kept showing in 2008 and 2009.

2010 is when they actually hired devs to make a prototype of Versus which only lasted a few months before FF14 tanked and the devs were pulled around SE into fixing FF14. They only had around 20 people on Versus at this point working on it for a few months, it went on hold at the end of 2010 and was on hold all over 2011 through to July2012.

Then in July 2012 they rebooted Versus into XV and gave it 200 devs, a full AAA budget and a new engine as well as Tabata joining as co-director. The game was at this point a restarted project, then in December 2013 Nomura was taken off the game and Tabata took over as director, from that point onwards is when it actually existed as a game with the current dev team and so on.

Type-0 budget was about as much as something like FF13-2 would have been, Type-0 is to date the biggest PSP game and used two UMDs.

1st department was KH devs for KH1/KH2 as well as BBS and DDD even though they were in Osaka, FF13 aka FF10 team, and PSP devs on CrisisCore, 3rd birthday and Type-0 as well as Dissidia. When Matsuda took over they restructured the entire company by the end of 2013, which is when Nomura left XV and Tabata took over, that is when the business divisions happened and the KH1/KH2 devs, Type-0 team as well as the Luminous engine staff were all put into Business Division 2, BD1 was the FF13 team, and BD3 was the BBS/DDD team.

Nomura is the one who fumbled it's development and never got started it earlier where he could have used the BBS devs to make Versus, but he didn't.

Tabata was busy with Type-0, CC and so before Versus became XV. Once he took over the production went full force

Roberto Ferrari who joined Versus in 2010 stated that there was only around 20 people attached to it prior to 2013.

The only objectively shit thing here is your tenuous grasp of comma usage. Holy shit anon, take a community college course or something. While you're at it, google Oxymoron before you have another "completely objective opinion".

>>379696512
I never got a game over in any FF because I just popped potions and phoenix downs in them.

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>>379691825
I want to lick his nose!

>>379697062
brainlet

>>379697020
I'm not reading your essays, anon. Condense, motherfucker.

>>379696512
>I can think of multiple times I've been given a game over and forced to learn in those games.
Now, not to defend FFXV or XV-Kun, but you're pretty shit at videogames if you ever get a game over in a FF game, and claiming any FF is well balanced only makes it worse.

>>379696583
>but it's virtually impossible to do so
No it is not, when you hit complete 0 Noctis will slump to the ground and after a few seconds it will be game over. You are only given a few seconds window to use a phoenix down if you have them.

And you are full of shit as you can avoid damage through regular combat by making use of shields, dodges, impervious hit counters, aerial dodges and just getting good and taking out enemies before they can amass serious damage to you. You can stop spouting your uninformed bullshit. By your logic items are broken in Nier automata because you can pause and heal whenever you want in that too.

>>379696625
So where is FFFF6's harmode? Where is FF7s hardmode? WHere is FF5s hardmode? FF8s hardmode? FF9s hardmode? Where is FF10s hardmode, where FF12s hardmode? Oh right.

>>379696689
>toriyama
I didn't say anything about Toriyama you dumb fuck, but hey keep complaining about shit you have no idea about while talking out your ass.

>>379696720
But you have multiple avenues to attack so fuck off with this bullshit, you have 3/4/5 avenues to input commands in the turn based FFs, you always have more than enough turns to spare to dedicate even one just to healing, because you still have avenues to attack while no actual methods to avoid damage in those games, you have to always take hits regardless so you're always going to have to have at least one character who is the "healer" that you use to heal your party at regular intervals, trying to cling to the "b-but you have to use a whole turn" means nothing when that is the point and you have multiple turns.

In XV you can only use on item every R2 press and the fact that you need to even do it so much just shows how shit at the game you are too, because you have ways to avoid damage all together because it's fully real time and you can dodge roll and block attacks entirely, so anytime you get hit and knocked to 0 is entirely your fault, so whenever you use items to heal in XV all you are showing is how much you suck at the game because you couldn't get gud to avoid the damage altogether.

>>379696810
>>379696883
See >>379697605

>>379697291
A lot of the older games had difficulty spikes that caught you off guard if you didn't grind, the NES games especially. Some games, like FFVI or VII are brain-dead easy, but I remember FFIX and X having some tough bosses. It varies.

>>379697331
My bullshit is extremely informed, I beat the whole game and the Gladio DLC. And amusingly, the phoned in DLC was the most balanced portion of gameplay because they tightly controlled the number of items you had, and you actually had to manage them.

Saying the game isn't obscenely forgiving about death is ridiculous, there was never a portion of the entire main game where I didn't have 20+ phoenix downs, despite never spending a gil on recovery items. And it's not a challenge when you have a 5+ second window to enter the "pause the world and revive" menu.

Easy fix to make the game actually challenging and engaging: item screen no longer pauses the universe, like how it is in Kingdom Hearts. When you hit 0 HP, Noctis enters limp-y, second HP bar mode. You have to get to a safe place, use a recovery item (in real time) while enemies are still trying to attack you. You still have limited dodging options, but your second HP bar is slowly ticking down, and you can't attack. There, fixed.

>>379697605
>>379697670
The ultimate problem with the items in FFXV is that they're the path of least resistance. Nothing in the game encourages the player to do anything but mash attack, because it's the fastest way to get through combat, and the item system is so forgiving that you will never, ever be punished in any meaningful way for doing so. And regarding my comments here >>379696883 the fact remains that items in FFXV (and most post-FFV games) are just way too fucking common, and resource management hasn't been a part of the series for two decades despite it being a core element of the RPG genre.

>>379697227
Versus didn't exist as a game until 2010, even then it only lasted a few months before going on hold.

In 2006 through 2009 only 3 CGI animators even made the CG concept trailers we saw and they had nothing to do with game development.

Versus rebooted in July 2012 to become XV and went through a reshuffling, getting 200 devs, budget and new engine, then in Dec 2013 Nomura was taken off and Tabata took over and it's been proper dev since that team onwards until it released.

>>379696279
A superboss, Quale is fought after catching 99 frogs, also it powers up Frog Drop, which is almost mandatory to beat the superboss Ozma

>>379697227
piss off, we're talking
>>379697020
>Versus didn't even exist as a game in 2006, or 2007, or 2008, or 2009.
Yes it did, that's the preproduction phase that was mentioned. Preproduction is when the bulk of the following is finished or decided upon: genre, primary mechanics, rough outline of the story, platform, main characters. Not all preproduction phases are the same of course, but the idea is that you want to have as many of the important bits designed so that the actual production crew (programmers, artists, etc.) have a clear vision of the game.

2006-2011 was on-off preproduction according to wiki, which is honestly quite long. We'd have to see what Nomura was doing during that period too, since he's the primary man for preproduction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura#Works

World Ends With You was pretty serious for a handheld game (similar to Type-0), he held 2 roles for it too, although minor ones. The rest are Crisis Core, KH:coded, Dissidia, KH 358/2, FF13, KH BbS, KH re:coded, 3rd Birthday, and then finally we hit FF Versus's production phase in 2011. I'm not much of a Nomura fan so I don't know how expansive any of those KH games are, but he is listed as director for about half of them (a serious role), producer for the other half (less serious, more about budgeting and scheduling), and then character designer and artist scattered around the rest (fairly serious, but not as stressful as directing a game). Except for being lead character designer for FF13, pretty much all of these are PSP or DS games from 2006-2011.

>Nomura is the one who fumbled it's development and never got started it earlier where he could have used the BBS devs to make Versus

I do think Nomura is more to blame for FFXV's quality issues, yet looking at the amount of games he personally (not Division #2, but just him) was involved in seems to me that either Square Enix was spreading him thin or he was himself. And I hate the man, so this isn't bias.

>>379697970
>Frog Drop, which is almost mandatory to beat the superboss Ozma
Nigger, WHAT are you talking about?

>>379696010
>ribbon
>not useful

K m8. g8 b8.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2es2vrYlG7U

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2es2vrYlG7U

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2es2vrYlG7U
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2es2vrYlG7U

>SQUARE ENIX THANKS TUMBLR COMMUNITY

>SQUARE ENIX THANKS TUMBLR COMMUNITY

>SQUARE ENIX THANKS TUMBLR COMMUNITY

Thankyou Tabata

>>379697605
>so whenever you use items to heal in XV all you are showing is how much you suck at the game
then ship the game without potions

you're arguing circles around yourself trying to defend a game that simply isn't difficult

>>379695947
In fairness, every single sidequest and minigame in FFIX is total ass, aside from possibly Mognet.

>>379691825

Nail on the head OP, if anyone disputes this they are legitimately retarded.

That said it's still possible to somewhat enjoy it for one playthrough, just to see the sights. Also the platforming dungeon was fun, definitely the best part of the game... despite the actual platforming being shitty. At least you could actually fail in there, unlike the main game.

>>379697902
First of all you're wrong because you are encouraged to use all your methods of attack to deal with enemies quicker, mashing attack until you get knocked to 0HP then spam an item to recover is the slowest method of dealing damage and getting through a fight, because you have more downtime and you aren't dealing damage in an efficient manner and you are taking too much damage. Where you are far better off using a variety of combo, warpstrikes, weapon switches, magic, party techs, and making proper use of dodge rolls, impervious and shields.

Second of all nothing in Ep Gladio was phoned in, and that just goes back to my prior point about the complaint you dipshits have just being because you get to carry a lot of items. That means fuck all and you are ignoring the actual subject here because you want to desperately defend your bullshit that you can somehow mash O and just spam items being the fastest way to get through battles (it's not even remotely).

>>379695947
Yes.

FFXV
>wander around a blue circle listening for ribbits, do this for 2 quests (~6 frogs)

FFIX
>give Quina Frog Drop blue magic
>power up Frog Drop
>fight a fairly difficult optional boss Quale
>be rewarded the following linear rewards based on frog #: ore, ether, silk rope, elixir, silver fork, bistro fork, battle boots, gastro fork

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the latter is much more fun, and the former is just a glorified un-fun MMORPG fetch quest

Isnt it a driving simulator?

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FFXV "bosses"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfR06KrKWDU

>>379698364
>Where you are far better off using a variety of combo, warpstrikes, weapon switches, magic, party techs, and making proper use of dodge rolls, impervious and shields.
You actually believe this?

>Second of all nothing in Ep Gladio was phoned in
I mean, the story bits and the music were surprisingly good, and the gameplay was much less floaty and imprecise as playing as Noctis, but there was only one extremely linear location and a ton of reused assets. It felt like a level plucked right out of FFXIII.

>>379698481
Not really, the driving is on rails when you decide
to do it manually

>>379698068
No it didn't. No game existed in 2006, there was nothing but the CGI concept teasers by 3 visual works CGI animators who made a CGI trailer in 2006 and some additioanl scenes in 2007, then they just kept reshowing those in 2008 and 2009.

There was some basic concepts written down on paper and done by a handful of people, but it still didn't exist as a game. It was just a concept, Versus didn't exist as an actual game until 2010 at the earliest because that is when it actually had coders, environments, combat and others in a functioning format.

Things like all the characters and base story only came to a proper point in 2010 too. Having some vague ideas with some character names and designs doesn't mean fucking anything, by this logic it took over 40 years for Disney to make Tangled because Walt Disney had concepts for the movie long before he died.

>wiki
Stop. Actually do some research and get informed. Wiki leaves out a bunch of things.

There was no dedicated budget, not AAA production team, they didn't even have an engine in 2006. It was just announced and they showed a 1 minute CGI concept teaser made by 3 of the CGI visual works staff (who have nothing to do with game development) make a CGI concept teaser they quickly threw together.

Nomura was creative producer on Crisis Core, 3rd Birthday, TWEWY, Type-0 and Dissidia/ character designer on those, meaning his jobs involved designing characters and just telling the people making the game how they should look in 3D. While he started a new project BBS in 2007, a year after Versus was announced and he had a full development staff on BBS.

This is all the while FF13 was in full AAA production, now instead of making Versus, he was busy on all those other games. Versus never existed as a game prior to 2010 after 13 came out.

Even ignoring the engine issue, he had staff working on KH spinoffs instead of making Versus. 200 dev team, proper engine and budget only came once Versus became XV.

>>379696512
You can't die in FF1-14 by your logic.

>>379698481
In that it simulates being in the passenger seat and having no control over the car in any way whatsoever, yes.

>>379698118
Uh what's wrong? People who use tumble made up a thank you card and sent it to them, and they are thanking them. How is that any different than when /v/ sends thank you cards to Nintendo?

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>>379698118
>trying this hard to start a shitstorm

>>379697020
>Roberto Ferrari who joined Versus in 2010 stated that there was only around 20 people attached to it prior to 2013.
He said there were 200 people that were chopped down to 20 people before tabata's team came in

>>379698163
Why would they do that? You're just trying to argue that you somehow aren't casual because you took the cheap way and longer way out of getting through battles.

>>379693186

Oh god not this fucking guy again

I'm outta here

>>379698458
You just described two things that do the same thing, you get rewards for finding the frogs too bud you're just gonna ignore that.

>>379698914
A game that is going through preproduction is still a game, I have no clue why you think so otherwise. It's one of the leanest phases of development, but it still needs
>a producer
>a director
>designers
and ideally it would involve the future
>lead artist
>lead composer
so that they're integrated into the creative concept and not blindsided when the game enters production. These aren't cheap people either, game developers generally only allow senior experienced and well-season developers become directors or leads (unless you're Firaxis and put green retards on Civilization 5 and Beyond Earth).

I can only shudder at imagining how much they pay Nomura, Yoshi-P, and Tabata per year compared to the average programmer or artist grunt.

i cant believe i still dont have this game yet.i thought it was fun from what I played. but i am not too harsh on most games i play

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>>379698535
Hey look SBK91 is here.

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>>379698535
What the fuck? I'm glad I stopped caring about FF after 13 came out. This is a joke.

>>379698782
>>379698968
Offroad driving is coming in an update at the end of this month and you can already go offroad with chocobos, nice meme post though.

>>379699339
Is this game a fucking early access or what

>>379698956
>logic
don't need logic, they're far more balanced than FFXV

>potions in the typical FF game have flat values instead of percentages, so a lowly Potion that costs 50g and heals 20 HP will be useless late-game (why spend a full turn on getting 20 HP back?)
>economy is scaled around healing items, allowing for tine-tuned balance
>hi-potions cost more but heal more, mega-potions cost more but heal more, etc.
>the end effect is that there's a healing economy plugged into the general economy

now for FFXV?
>potions heal a percentage, not a flat value
>stock up on 99 50g potions that heal 50% of your HP cheaply
>stock up on 99 100g (? if I remember correctly it's around there) potions that heal your HP to maximum
>cheese everything because hunts shit out gil for every little effort

FFXV is simply a badly balanced game, even a novice game designer could tell you

>>379699339
Holy shit, are you still here?
>game is shit at launch
>b-b-b-b-b-b-but a year later it'll be good
Every fucking time.

>>379698731
>You actually believe this?
You actually think that isn't true?

Dealing combos, magic and switching around as well as party techs and armiger deals far more damage than only just doing an attack string until you get hit then have to heal, forcing you into downtime. You can avoid downtime entirely by making use of shields, impervious recovies and dodges.

Also all of the environment assets seen in ep Gladio was made from scratch within a few months, and the main point of it was fighting Gilgamesh and Cor which alone are some of the best fights in FF. Second of all I don't think you even remember what dungeons in older FFs even looked like.

>>379699103
>play the game according to its rules
>casual

that actually makes the game casual, just like comparing tee-ball to baseball. if you want to play a non-casual game go play one with a more stringent and tighter ruleset that actually has failstates (unlike FFXV)

>>379699237
>You just described two things that do the same thing
congrats but apparently you can't read
FFXV only does one of those 4 things, the item reward. Qu Marsh is simply a better designed minigame, one that doesn't reek of MMO design philosophy

>>379699279
>but i am not too harsh on most games i play
this series comes with 14+ previous titles of baggage, so the anger factor is multiplied a hundredfold

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FFXV
E3 2013 Trailer,

"I can't stay any longer" said Nomura through Stella, "My heart won't let go" said Noctis who represents the player, us. "Don't worry about me (Versus XIII, Nomura). Live your own life".
"The world we purport to know is ever changing ending as we speak. So it is and must be for all existence." (Versus XIII is ending) And at the end : "you want the truth ? it's complicated".

E3 2013 Trailer has been a goodbye from Nomura you fucking faggots, we didn't deserve his Final Fantasy. Fuck.

>>379699497
>fighting Gilgamesh and Cor which alone are some of the best fights in FF.
Not a high bar, but I will grant you that the Gilgamesh fight was pretty nice. The actual dungeon of the episode was pretty bad, though. It felt like I was walking through the same bits over and over.

>>379699705
hope he kills himself

>>379699704
what do you mean

>>379699093
No he said that there was 20 people and that it grew to 200 people when Tabata joined, and Tabata has also stated himself that they had 200 people when they rebooted the game to XV and that they eventually expanded to 300-400 staff by 2015-2016 including external contractors from XPEC and others.

There somehow being 200 devs on Versus and 20 on XV makes literally no sense on any level, because Versus had barely any staff attached to it, meanwhile in 2012 they moved the 20 or so Versus staff, the Type-0 team which you can see is well over 100 people and the Luminous engine staff into one team to form the FFXV team which is how they got the 200 devs.

>>379699778
people who liked FF5 want all future games to be like it, so they have pre-baked expectations
people who liked FF7, same deal
people who liked FF12, same deal

it's a giant vortex of expectations that cause people to be severely critical about every new FF and burn it with the power of a thousand suns in a way that a new intellectual property doesn't usually get scorched

>>379699815
>No he said that there was
>Then from 2010 till the end of 2011 I worked on the designs I got assigned with, without any big issues. That’s why when the team got resized from 200 workers to around 20 in 2012 (right before the arrival of Tabata and the Type-0 team), I was still there and worked with the newcomers till 2013.
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2016/12/artist-roberto-ferrari-speaks-designs-final-fantasy-xv/
Unless you would like to disprove this, you are incorrect my man

>>379699257
First of all, no. It was not in actual development the entire time, you are seriously trying to act as if they had one budget, one dev team and one engine the entire time which is not even remotely true.

The budget for FFXV as the final game exists only came in 2012, the engine and staff only came in 2012.

There being some vague concepts and shit before that means nothing, again by your logic you think Mother 3 and Nioh were in active full development for 12 years just because they were announced 12 years before they came out.

Again in 2006 Versus was not a game, it was a concept, it was only a CGI concept teaser showing IDEAS for something they want to make a game of. It didn't become a game until 2010 at the earliest.

Nomura even said in an interview in 2011 that Versus hadn't yet entered full development yet, and we know for a fact that it didn't and that Versus was on hold for a number of years, and that it rebooted in 2012 to become XV, which even though it uses ideas and concepts from Versus, it was a new project with a new team and new engine and an actual AAA budget only then onwards.

It's really not even fit to judge, it's not finished. They could patch and patch and rush DLC onto the market for years and this still wouldn't be a complete game.

Nomura wanted to spend 20 years building his magnum opus because he's an artist and both has no concept of money, and no concept of software development.

>>379699448
No because you can already go offroad with chocobos, and cars are a means of point A to B travel in the game, they are just adding an offroad driving part to it now.

>>379699490
>g-g-game is shit because of Y
>No it isn't and they are amending Y and making it better now
>T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT

>>379700101
>Versus hadn't yet entered full development yet
Kitase said a month or two after that interview that the game had entered full development

>>379699815
http://wccftech.com/ffxv-designer-team-disorganized/

>They’re highly disorganized. Our staff (200 suffering souls) had to work on FFXV while the story still had to be finalized. In 2013, the damn story changed every three months or so and the game’s release date had been scheduled for December 2014.

>>379700209
>No it isn't
Yes it is.
>they are amending Y and making it better now
Half a year after launch, when nobody gives a shit anymore.

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Can we stop pretending XV sucks? It's the best FF yet and the best ARPG of all time.

>>379699889
thats why i said i'm never too harsh on games. i can enjoy every final fantasy and i accept that they are all different. and same with other games. if i dont like a game, im just not into it. but i have played some that i think are pretty bad like fallout 1 and games i just cant get into like no mans sky.

to me, its weird that most people on here only enjoy specific final fantasies.

>>379700101
>again by your logic you think Mother 3 and Nioh were in active full development for 12 years just because they were announced 12 years before they came out.
yes that's actually how it is

if you chop one single chop of an axe into a tree a day for 8 years straight, you took 8 years to chop a tree

if you chop twice as much and do it in 4, it took you 4 years to do it

how much effort you spend per day doesn't matter, because the customer expects a fresh log ASAP.

>>379700341
FFXV-kun, I... think you need better taste in games

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>>379700186
>It's really not even fit to judge
I start judging games the moment they're sold, whether it's early access or a """finished""" release, personally

>Nomura wanted to spend 20 years building his magnum opus because he's an artist and both has no concept of money
It's always easy to spend other people's money (and reputation)...

>>379699486
No they aren't. See >>379697605

In the turn based FFs you don't move around in real time so you have no way of avoid damage, so you have to tank hits, so you would always have a dedicated healer on one of your multiple turns to negate the fact that you have to tank hits regardless.

In XV you can avoid enemies attacks through dodging, blocking and impervious or by simply moving as its in real time, you never have to tank a hit, potions are just there in situations where you need them caused by your own fault of getting hit, which is why they are more abundant because you getting hit is something you are in control of, while in a turn based FF you aren't in control of that because you have no way to avoid damage because you can't move.

You can cheese through an older FF also just by grinding, while in XV you only cheese through the game by being a casual that wants to defend the fact that they suck shit at the game.

>>379700341
It's not a bad game, it's just disappointing

>>379700391
good on you friend

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>>379700548
>so you have no way of avoid damage
are you new to RPGs?

>>379699550
Because the game lets you be casual doesn't mean you have to play that way, when there are also ways where you can play it that aren't casual. Are you dumb?

By your logic you may as well play every game ever on easy mode because that is playing by the rules of the game.

>>379691825
sounds like a butt hurt 13 fan

>>379700548
>You can cheese through an older FF also just by grinding, while in XV you only cheese through the game
ah yes, someone who didn't play FFXV because he doesn't know you can grind just as much off timed quests and certain hunts as well

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>>379700557
and unfinished. Very unfinished.

>>379700101
The only, ONLY, timespan that matters in discussions like this is the difference between announce date and launch date. Anything else is just the devs and apologists making excuses; as a consumer I could not give a shit about the development cycle of games as anything other than interesting trivia when the game is already in my hands.

If your game isn't going to be ready for 10 years, don't announce it. Announce it when you're reasonably confident you're a year, year and a half away from launch so you can start building hype. Anything else is going to lead to fatigue and frustration, and expectations set way too high.

>>379700671
>Because the game lets you be casual
that's a casual game

>>379700391
Final Fantasy needs more fans like you. The mentality of "this FF is my favorite, so all others must be shit by default" is ridiculous.

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>>379700738
>The only, ONLY, timespan that matters in discussions like this is the difference between announce date and launch date. Anything else is just the devs and apologists making excuses; as a consumer I could not give a shit about the development cycle of games as anything other than interesting trivia when the game is already in my hands.
this

it's also why I judge indie titles and AAA titles on roughly the same ground as well. you're competing for my time, not my pity. i want a good game regardless of where it's from, how long it took to make it, and how many people worked on it

if i wanted to spend money on someone's pity, i'd donate to a patreon or something

>>379699929
You are using a google translated source, he is saying there was 20 people that became 200 people when Tabata joined and the Type-0 team arrived.

Seriously can you even read? It literally makes no sense that the team somehow got smaller when they ADDED the Type-0 team onto it.

>>379700248
Uh yes what? Back in 2013 when Nomura was director he's saying they had 200 people who were working in it while the story hadn't even been finalized and was changing every 3 months. Those 200 people came onto the team in 2012.

>>379700215
What Kitase said was that in September of 2011 that SE is giving their "100% effort" to both Type-0 and Versus. Type-0 came out a month later, so if you're trying to argue that somehow means Versus was in full development from that point on then by the same logic you have to say that Type-0 only entered full development 1 month before it came out too.

Kitase's statement was mistranslated as him saying it was in full development when he didn't actually say that, he only said they are giving Type-0 and Versus their 100% effort.

>>379700731
I'm still sad that despite all that wait the game felt unfinished and rushed especially in the 2nd half

>>379699626
It's the same type of sidequest where you do the same thing and get rewards

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>>379700731
>and unfinished. Very unfinished.

Normally I usually disagree with trump-posters but this time I have to agree.

The final straw to show that this mess of a game was unfinished was the fucking survey which basically said "HELP US DECIDE WHAT TO IMPLEMENT NEXT"

>>379700341
Only like 2 people here even keep pretending it's bad.

>>379700954
>You are using a google translated source
>http://neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227127355
Unless you want to bring in the original facebook posts now

>>379700671
This. Why oh why do faggots bring up the argument that if the game lets you do this, then you have to do it? Isn't it mostly just for entertainment? If you're one to make the game bullshit easy for yourself and then complain about it then that means you aren't having fun, or you are just saying it for the sake of shitposting.

If the game allows you to make it challenging for yourself, then why not do it? Why do they have to follow "official" restrictions like a badly made hard mode or some shit?

>>379700428
>yes that's actually how it is
Oh you really are insane and your analogy has literally no comparison.

Is there going to be a definitive edition for this game including all DLC and missed content?

>>379700671
If a game has a difficulty select, then the developer is asking you directly how much challenge you want. The player definitively knows the decision he's making is intentionally deciding his experience.

If there's a broken tactic in the game, available in every difficulty, you either have to do the designers' job for them, balancing the game by ignoring aspects of it, or just cheese your way through.

And really, if I "don't have to use items," what am I supposed to do? Just set the controller down when Noctis enters his ten-second death throes and not press the glowing "Press R1 to not die" button? Redo the entire fight because the designers a) couldn't balance the game so every enemy doesn't do a shitload of damage and b) couldn't implement a better system for healing? Fuck that.

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>>379700954
>and the Type-0 team arrived.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/final-fantasy-type-0-hd/details

Ctrl+F voice, 100 hits, voices 66 hits, then the end result of actual people working on Type 0 is... around 19. Count them yourself, it's very small, as expected for a PSP game.

200-19 means that around 180 people were working on Versus before the Type-0 staff was rolled in and it was rebranded as FFXV.

I appreciate your commitment to sussing out the truth and I wish more of /v/ was like you, but Typo-0's staff isn't the silver bullet you need.

>>379700654
>posts FF tactics an SRPG spinoff when I'm talking about the mainline turn based FFs
>Doesn't know I'm talking about avoid damage in real time when enemies go to hit you in real time and you react in real time, not through passive means like evasion stats or accuracy stats.

Last section was good. Good acting and believable. Things came to a head and resolved well. Adult team was way better and I wanted alot more time with them.

The first half was terrible. So many plot holes, weird reactions to things. Unfinished world. It was obvious how much they cut.

>>379701301
>If you're one to make the game bullshit easy for yourself
You're right, I forgot that I was the one who coded a broken item system into FFXV. Sorry, everyone, my bad. I forgot that it's my job to make balanced video games for one of the biggest companies in the industry.

>>379701206
with a much better context, various types of rewards, and it directly upgrades an ability for one of your party members (of course, if you hate Quina, you don't have to do it at all)

much better than "collect 3 frogs, get a paltry amount of gil, and move onto the next quest chain." keep in mind I'm not criticizing the later portion of the questline where you have to collect the slimy oil from gigantoad or whatever, I'm only saying that the first two "find the frogs" quests are shit

>>379700801
But it also lets you be non casual, so by the same logic it's not casual. You aren't very bright, are you?

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>>379691825

>mfw XV-kun made this thread just so start things

It's just a boring game. I don't care about the characters and the story and the WRPG quest like mechanics feel like a chore 8 out of 10 times.

The graphics are pretty (the art style is not. It's just generic), the music is what one would expect of a FF, Chocobos are nice and some shit, like summoning conditions and character aging are not bad ideas...

>>379701506
If a supposed hard mode for the game were to add a limit for potions, then why not just do it yourself? Is it autism?

yall need to git gud

it's a comfy roadtrip camping simulator with great combat (only if you aren't casual scum)

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/106779

Japan hate to xv is borderline crazy

>>379701537
life operates on the path of least resistance

if you have a car and a bike to get to work, you're going to be using your car. the car is casual, and it's the option 99.9% of people choose to minimize effort and time invested.

FFXV is a casual game because it offers the casual path of least resistance. a game's difficulty level is not based on what speedrunners to LV1 challenge runners do, it's based on the easiest solution to the game.

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>>379701479
This to a T. The game should've spent at least 30-40% of its playtime in the World of Ruin; Punished Venom Noct had the potential to be the best FF lead of all time if he had more screentime.

>he doesn't play tic-tac-toe while balancing on burning charcoals on a unicycle while reciting the Canadian national anthem in Arabic
lol casuals, tic-tac-toe is a hardcore gamer's game

>>379701643
It's me playing a video game and not wasting my time tiptoeing around shitty design choices. FFXV is not even remotely fun enough for me to want to do challenge runs of it.

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>>379701659
Sounds reasonable. But seriously, what are they bitching about?

>175 posts
>52 IPs
hmm....
>>379693186>>379692835
>the shills are still alive for XV
holy shit you faggots are pathetic, XV is objectively a bad game

>>379701762
Are you describing KH? Because XV has more mechanics than KH

Jesus christ xv-kun, it's almost E3 just give it a rest for one day

>>379701901
>deflecting to kh out of nowhere in response to an obvious shitpost
fucking desperate

>>379701643
>then why not just do it yourself?
Not my job to make their games good. That's their job, and that's why I'm paying them $50-60 for it. If they fuck up, it's on them.

I don't buy a grill and expect to troubleshoot its broken shit the same day I buy it. I return it and either get a refund or a replica.

>>379701843
Then if the game isn't fun for you, there is no point to anything you said.

>>379701901
FFXV is more bloated than Kingdom Hearts as well.

>>379701889
>shills
It's one guy

>>379701861
>garbage game
>ff is dead
>dragon quest will kill ff
usual stuff

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>>379696394
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Final_Fantasy_XV

>Tabata's new position as co-director and eventually as director was related to this change.[10][32] Intentions to turn the game into a musical after Nomura had seen the 2012 film adaptation of Les Misérables were vetoed by the higher-ups at Square Enix.[34]

>Nomura wanted to turn FFXV into Les Misérables

HAHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK
How is no one talking about this shit? Jesus fucking christ

>>379701991
I'm just annoyed at lost potential. The game wouldn't need many changes (to the gameplay) to actually reward skillful play like you say it would. Really, all it would need would be for item use to be in real time and to have a wind-up animation before they take effect. Small changes like that would make the game into what it should've been.

>>379701364
Jesus Christ you cannot be this fucking stupid.
https://youtu.be/3DYxZCZc4AI?t=11m36s

You honestly cannot be this fucking stupid right? And even then that is the Type-0 HD staff, not including all the people who worked on the PSP version.

Not only is your bullshit logic flawed but your own fucking source is flawed and you have absolutely no fucking clue what you are even talking about.

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>>379701659
I see

>>379701901
More mechanics doesn't make it better all the time. BBS also has billions of commands and shit but it's garbage even compared to KH1 or 2.
XV also has tons of options, but a lot of it really isn't that useful unless you're one of those guys that tells me i'm play it wrong when i don't use 100% of all mechanics against every normal enemy.

>>379702101
It's brought up every fucking thread you idiot

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>>379701889
I got accused of IP switching because I agreed with someone who called out FF15's monotonous copypasted quest grind shit. Take your morning pills FF15 defense force. Things like that are the first thing to be ironed out during a AAA's game polishing state, FF15 was rushed out the door and the quests are bullet points on the back of the box to justify muh open world meme design.

FF15's fanbase has something in common with its Metacritic score. Both are spiraling downward.

>>379702121
https://www.gamefaqs.com/psp/951986-final-fantasy-type-0/credit
whoopty doo, 29 non-VA people, and most of them went on to work on the HD version

now tell me how 170 is substantially different from 180? 170 people were working on Versus before 2013. that's a shit ton of people

>>379701973
You just sound like a baby. If the game has the options to do so, then why not do it? You aren't modding the game, you are doing things in the realm of the game itself. You act like you have to follow a very specific set of rules each time you play a video game. If the game isn't fun for you in the first place, then there is no point to do anything I said. I don't play video games just for challenges. That is stupid. If i like the game, then I may want to challenge myself or create restrictions possible within the realm of the game because I like it.

>>379701525
The context in XV is that you are helping out a professor in her research by finding frogs who emerged because of the strange phenomenon to do with the longer nights, aka the plague of the stars.

The context in 9 is what?

>of course, if you hate Quina, you don't have to do it at all
Oh by this logic you don't have to ever do the frog quest in XV at all, because it's 100% optional.

It was just a whole lot of uninteresting but currently popular design choices stapled together into a barely functional whole.

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>>379702145
>he posts in every FF15 thread
so are you a shill?

>>379702187
Don't bother, it's just that one guy, there're normal people that like XV including me even, but it has huge fucking flaws and in a lot of cases the dev team clearly didn't know what they were doing. But in xv-kun's eyes these threads are literally him and one guy reseting his IP 50 times

>>379702296
>Oh by this logic you don't have to ever do the frog quest in XV at all, because it's 100% optional.
most all of XV's sidequests are effectively optional because they're all MMO garbage

except for adamantoise's hunt, where they actually put in an iota of effort

>>379702316
>didn't know that it was a common topic that gets brought up all the time
>lol you're a shill
You are so stupid

>>379702285
>I have to do work making a game fun
Again that's their job, not yours. You're simply defending a bad game.

If Square Enix wants to pay ME money to invent my own fun, they can do that. But as it stands, I'm the one paying money for a product that's supposed to be fun, not a half-constructed pile of Ikea furniture pieces.

>>379701659
>t-they hate it
>nothing in the link indicates they do

>noctis was voted best character in Japanese awards show a few months ago
>noctis was voted by japan as most wanted character in KH3 a few months ago

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>>379702405
>common topic that hasn't been brought up in 200 posts
>every thread
so you must be a shill then, if you somehow monitor every FF15 thread

>>379701691
>b-but real life
>he's an irrelevant analogy
Man this grasping. FFXV is not any more casual than any other FF is.

>>379702541
You are so fucking stupid

>>379702494
Lel, i feel bad for you eop, vote lmao

>>379701889
>OP going all out again

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Its happening guys. End of june: Episode Prompto, Regalia TYPE-D, and the Cup noodle Hat.

>>379702705
>two things that should have been included in the game at launch and product placement
oh. good

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>>379702803
I know, right? Aren't you excited??

>>379702601
I'm sorry you can't understand such a simple concept as path of least resistance

here, maybe this will activate the 5 brain cells you have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance

http://klangable.com/blog/controlled-by-the-path-of-least-resistance/

https://books.google.com/books?id=yluAAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=Xk83DQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_effort

>>379702478
I'm not "defending" the game you fucking shit for brains. I like the game, I don't give a fuck if you don't like it. You're not doing any "work" inside a game. The fuck? Restricting potions is that hard? I was using that as an example. You sound so illogical in the most literal sense. Sure, don't mess around and have fun in the games you bought that allow you to do so. You don't like video games then, you play them because it gives you a retard high for completing "official" challenges. You are paying money for something to enjoy. Making fun challenges for yourself, like say a level 1 challenge, is just making most out of the game you bought. The game allows freedom, and that is great.

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>>379702625
>polices every thread looking for people who dare insult FF15
>whines when people aren't talking about positive things about the game
>manages to get bored by novel things because he reads everything
I think it's time for you to go outside. Unless you're getting paid for this, of course. Which I think you are.

Here, let's make this easy. If you're not a shill, don't respond to me.

>>379702248
>again posting incomplete lists that only list VAs and people in lead positions, leaving everyone else out
Stop grasping.

Ferrari said himself they had 20 people on Versus and that when the Type-0 team joined they had 200 people, that coinincides with Tabata stating they had 200 people when they rebooted Versus to XV because they put the Type-0 staff onto the game, and also coinincides with Ferrari also stating that in 2013 they had 200 staff working on the game.

You are literally full of shit and cannot fucking read, your sources are still fucking faulty because you aren't using the actual game credits but instead incomplete lists, and you are using a google translate instead of what Ferrari actually said, while you are also ignoring what has been said about it years ago in relation to dev team size. You are literally ignoring that they mixed the 20 or so devs from Versus, the over 100 who were in Type-0 plus the Luminous engine staff to form the 200 members making FFXV in 2012.

Prior to that they had only around 20 people on the game.

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>>379702705
>>379702803
As awful as this is, I kind of like the Cup Noodle shit. It's pretty funny how nakedly they're taking the piss. They're not even pretending this isn't retarded, out of place promotion.

>>379703015
>The game allows freedom, and that is great.
Freedom to be casual, which is why it's a casual game

You're the one who brought up the word casual, you have to deal with it

>>379702187
>actually trying to call something a defense force because you're shitposts are getting BTFO
Man you're pathetic and you can't even keep your arguments straight anymore.

>>379702027
>>379702324
>i-it's one guy meme

>>379703095
>Ferrari said himself they had 20 people on Versus
I already disproved this and you have yet to prove me wrong>>379701287

>>379702705
The offroad car is such a stupid gimmick they literally added becaus fans screamed for it, but in the end you'll just be stuck on tress and shit and have to get out every few seconds anyway

>>379701216
But they're implementing all the things in the survey and just want to see what fans want first so they can prioritize it

>>379703135
I wasn't that bitch. You aren't being casual if you're allowing hardcore challenges and restrictions for yourself. You are the casual one

>>379703201
Thanks for proving me right

Of course Akira Toriyama's cousin would have a bunch of retard virgins eating his shit

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>>379703126
Is XV the game with the most shameless product placement ever? I can't think of any other videogame that is at the same level. You can argue that maybe Snake Eater or Guns of the Patriots, but at least those didn't put a fucking commercial at the middle of the game, telling you how awesome the product is, like Gladio did with Cup Noodle.

>>379702384
The sidequests by large are the same exact things you do in FF1-9s sidequests so no, unless they are now MMO garbage?

>>379703396
Tabata-drones are pretty pathetic

>>379703303
Put it this way; if you have to ignore game mechanics in order to have fun, isn't that a failing on the designers' part? Shouldn't they have tried for a system that isn't just tedious and abuseable? Shouldn't I be able to play a game using all the mechanics it presents without worrying I'm sabotaging my own fun by doing so?

>>379702705
Nice.

>>379702705
WE MONSTER TRUCK NOW

>>379697291
FF1-5 can all legitimately game over you. FF6 is where that stops being a thing outside of maybe two fights in FF10 and if you aggro a high level enemy in FF12, but even then the other games had a much higher chance of killing you than XV.

>>379703410
I'd say Snake Eater is slightly worse, in that the product placement has an effect on gameplay, being by far the best food items you can find and rendering a lot of the animal hunting stuff pointless.

>>379702905
>here I googled path of least resistance and pasted some of the first search results
>Thinks this somehow applies to anything in the argument.

>>379703095
>Ferrari said himself they had 20 people on Versus and that when the Type-0 team joined they had 200 people
But that's the complete opposite of what was said.

>Then from 2010 till the end of 2011 I worked on the designs I got assigned with, without any big issues. That’s why when the team got resized from 200 workers to around 20 in 2012 (right before the arrival of Tabata and the Type-0 team), I was still there and worked with the newcomers till 2013. Then I left because I followed mister Nomura.

In what world does "before Tabata and Type-0 team arrived" mean that it went to 200 at that point? Not even the worst Italian to English google translator would mess up that parenthetical text, because it's a separate grammatical clause.

It went from ~200 during Versus (before 2012), cut down to 20 right before it was re-branded (2012, presumably to get rid of all of the people who were fucking the project up so badly), then the Type-0 team was merged in (20+29, so let's say about 50, in summer 2012, see usgamer article). Then the team grew in size from there.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/hajime-tabata-talks-about-the-transformation-of-versus-xiii-to-final-fantasy-xv

>>379703475
That's an argument that works against every post-V FF game.

>>379703626
Since XIV had to be rebuilt at the same time, it would make since as to where some of the versus team would be relocated to

>>379703303
>You aren't being casual if you're allowing hardcore challenges and restrictions for yourself. You are the casual one
Nope, that's a casual game. If I play tee-ball while lit on fire and singing a Gregorian chant, tee-ball is still a casual game. Yet the retard who is on fire and singing some shitty monastery music is the one suffering because he's playing a game designed for 5 year olds (FFXV)

>>379703663
And surprise, every post-FFV game is bloated and uninteresting mechanically. I just want this series to be as good as it can be, man. I want a challenge, I want to think about how to maximize my party's strength, not gimp it.

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Surprised people still talk about this game. It felt like Fallout 4 to me. Good timesink, but very mediocre game overall. Play it once and probably will never touch it again.

>>379703807
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, just pointing out that it won't go over well with the people you're trying to argue with.

>>379703663
But not one that works against KH2FM, which is the main point of comparison for FFXV (being SE's last high budget action RPG).

>>379703848
It's really only a handful of people arguing amongst themselves in every thread, from what I can tell. I drop in occasionally when I'm feeling salty and want to piss XV-kun off.

>>379703848
I was busy earlier this year and finally completed it this month. Shame that these threads are haunted by shill(s?) honestly, it prevents anyone from criticizing the game honestly

>>379703475
If you are allowed to ignore game mechanics to have more fun, that should be seen as something successful. If the game isn't even fun for you with all the stuff presented to you and encouraged for you to use, then there is no point to restricting yourself.

>>379704131
>If you are allowed to ignore game mechanics to have more fun, that should be seen as something successful.
There's a world of difference between "you are allowed to ignore mechanics for an extra challenge if you're an exceptionally skilled player" and "it's literally impossible to lose the game or be challenged in any way on the hardest difficulty unless you ignore this mechanic."

>>379704131
Artificial restrictions aren't fun unless the game was fun to begin with. LLGing FF6 was shit and unfun while doing four Four Job Fiesta runs back to back was fun the whole time.

Wait a minute, that dress

>>379703219
No you did not as that is the same exact google translate post that NovaCrystallis used. And there somehow being 200 devs then only 20 devs not only makes no fucking sense but goes against the reality of the situation

Why the fuck would there suddenly be only 20 devs when they reboot it to a mainline game, but when it was just a spinoff it somehow had 200 devs?

Why the fuck would there somehow be only 20 devs on it when it became XV, if Ferrari who was still working on the game in 2013 states that they had 200 people working on the game in 2013?

Why would there be only 20 devs working on it when it became XV when it was given it's AAA budget and they also brought in Luminous engine staff in addition to the Type-0 team and mixed them with the Versus staff, which is well fucking over 20 devs?

You are literally incapable of basic logic or even common sense. Stop clinging to a faulty translation when it goes against every reality of what happened that had been an established fact before Ferrari had even said anything about the game.

Tabata had already stated they had 200 people on the team when it became XV, which we know was in 2012, we also know from him that they mixed Versus team, Type-0 team and Luminous engine staff to form the initial 200 people team for FFXV

>>379703626
No it isn't, stop clinging to faulty translations or google translate, what he said was they had 20 people on it then it became 200 people once they merged the Type-0 team in, which is just like what Tabata said about them having 200 people on the game and that they merged Type-0 staff with Versus staff and Luminous engine staff to form the FFXV team.

Maybe you should actually try and apply some basic common sense because it makes no fucking sense for there to somehow be 200 people working on Versus but not on XV.

>>379704489
>unironically defending a game with no launches

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>still arguing over nothing on the day of E3

>>379704586
Nobody cares about Nomura trash that won't be released for another 10 years, fuck off.

>>379704568
Maybe i'll finish it one day, i dropped it 1-2 times because even early enemies fucked my ass. I heard that leveing up is actually a bad idea in LR

>>379704661
I wasn't even talking about Nomura games, just E3 in general kiddo. Way to project, man you must really have a hateboner for that guy.

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>>379704489
>No you did not as that is the same exact google translate post that NovaCrystallis used
m8 novacrystallis linked to that specific neogaf poster you retard
That poster translated it himself
>stop clinging to faulty translations
>he's wrong because he said so
Alright. Prove you are right. Show me a link to where you are getting your translations from or the original facebook posts. Because at this point you are literally saying "this is what he said because I said so"

>>379704760

XV-kun went from sucking his dick during the Versus days to hating him since Tabata stepped in.

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>>379693186
This guy again....

>>379691825
one of the best storys ever, point is u should not go after your faith or shit like that you should just sit back and enjoy your life.

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>>379704963
>storys

>>379704963
Did you just stop playing before chapter 6?

>>379691825
>This game is bad.
Stopped reading right there.

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>>379704963
post yfw Jared died
saddest death in ff history

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>>379705069

Same, that's pretty much all there is to say about it.

>>379691825
Most disappointing game of my life
waited 10 years, just for the final game to have this awful and butchered story/characters
The gameplay was shit aswell, repetitive, boring no depth. Going into the pause menu to make spells in an action combat game is also one of the most retard things i have ever seen

I thought it looked impressive in places though

>>379705128
Funny observations, but the real cringe of that scene was due to it being a human and Sonic the fucking Hedgehog, not the sequence of events itself.

>>379705102

Who?

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>>379705102
>mfw i felt more for regalias crash than Luna's death
Regalia should've gotten the CG cutscene

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>Turned big event bosses into borefests
>QTE guards and autododging
>hold-button combat with little variation (the occasional pause-combo move, and some generally awful d-lefts).
>No launchers
>Made magic less a tool and more a "skip boring fights" button.
>First FF since FF9 to use boring cutscene summons, and managed to make them even worse with them activating in dumb ways.
>The main mixup is teamattacks which are more basic than KH2's Limits, and also lack the resource management, so are just spammable iframes.
>Item usage is straight dumb, when they not only got this right back in KH1, but also in 13 LR.

What did Tabata mean by this?

>>379705307

OLD
MAN
HANDS

>>379705254
The car had more personality and backstory than Luna.

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>>379705404

Funny because it's true.

>>379704568
TLR is artificla difficulty though. Hiding mechanics from the player is the only reason people have trouble with it, when you look everything up it becomes a cakewalk.

>>379705220
Who cares. People overreacted to that when anthropomorphic animals with humans have been potrayed in media much longer before that scene.

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>>379705307
I swear tabata has always looked like a 50 year old woman

>>379705496

Sounds like you're just dumb.

>>379696394
>Nomura's management.
I hate how nomura is blamed for the long development.
He had no team for years, everyone was made to work on ff13 and its sequels.

you can look at the 10+ completed games he's been in charge of to see that he is competent
you can look at square putting him in charge of ff7r and kh3 to see that he is competent

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>>379705404
It also gets more updates

>>379705640
shieeet

>>379691825

The only thing that I find absolutely true is that dying is a very very rare inconvenience.

I'm circa 100 hours in, and the only thoug mission that I remember was against the three necromancer at the tower ruins when my party was at level 20.

Now all my charachters are at level 78, with fishing/cooking/exploration/photography maxed out and a fucking lot of ability enabled, and despite the fact that I never use magic, every hunt and every bossfight don't last over 20 seconds.

So maybe yes, is also true that the gameplay is just broken, but after 100 hours I cannot avoid to have fun with this game yet.

>>379705597
Didn't Square straight up say that 14 1.0 delayed multiple HD releases by years?

>>379705596
Not him but that's correct, the game doesn't explain basic mechanics.

>>379705724
Yes they did

>>379705687
They clearly didn't care much about balance. You have all these options, but a lot of them are useless compared to the OP dodge, warp strike, magic nukes, your partys abilites that make you invincible for 3-4 seconds etc. And once you get regroup you don't even need items anymore

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This game is bad.
And no, I don't mean, that I dislike this game. It is completely objective opinion, that this game is full of badly executed ideas.
We can shitpost gamess like Bloodborne, New Zelda or others to the end of the day, but they are at least made competently.

I won't even talk about shit story and focus on the worst gameplay aspects.
First thing first, the gameplay is just broken. You can't lose. Actually, losing is one of the hardest thing to achieve in this game, which itself says, how fucked up this gameplay is.
The damage control in this aspect is
>just don't spam items you casual!
and it's a flawed way of thinking in the line of
>just gimp yourself and the game will be challenging

You can expect, that the full game will be ballanced and this game just throws elixirs at you when they could be rare (like soma in Persona 5) or when they could give you CD for using items (like Tales of games for example). No excuse for this shit.

>>379703410
>>379703612

Peace Walker has you running around eating Doritos and chugging Mountain Dew.

>>379704803
>m8 novacrystallis linked to that specific neogaf poster you retard
Which is a faulty translation, as that neogaf thread only has A: google translate and b: that one guys faulty translation that is fully of incorrect grammer

Just going through Ferrari's facebook it seems he either deleted the original post he made regarding that, as it was in response to a "Sara" but in the comments there even the original post is missing, but he was not saying Versus had 200 devs and XV had only 20, he said Versus had 20 then they resized to 200 when they moved Type-0 team to XV, which is again the same thing Tabata had said about the game.

You are clinging to faulty translations that go against the actual established history or even any common sense surrounding what is even possible.

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>>379705128
Except Luna holding Noctis happens after the fight and the fight themselves aren't even the same. You're already invalidated. Meanwhile KH2FM is sonic 06 tier.

>>379705597
>He had no team for years,
The team was ~200 people at some point before 2012 (when Tabata and Type 0 staff joined) so that's demonstrably false (>>379701287)

Now it's unclear how long he had 200 people, it could have been just 2011, it could have been that large for multiple years before that all the way up to 2006, but don't pretend for a split second that he was never given resources. He's simply a bad manager and should never be put in charge of a mainline FF again.

>>379707230
>Which is a faulty translation,
>that go against my narrative
>because I said so
You literally can't holy lol

>>379707341
>>379707536
No it was not, the team was only around 20 people as Ferrari said and only became 200 when it became XV.

See>>379707230


It makes absolutely no possible sense for there to have been 200 people on Versus but then only 20 on XV after they ADDED people onto the team from other parts of SE specifically when rebooting Versus into XV in 2012.

>>379707594
>keeps repeating his own theory after evidence proves otherwise
kek, I'm still waiting

>>379707594
>It makes absolutely no possible sense
Yes it does, because ~200 people were responsible for fucking up the game before 2012. Most of them were cut because they sucked, and weren't necessary as the game was redesigned and converted to FFXV. Then they added in Type-0 people because they actually got shit done in the past, unlike Nomura's Merry Band of Useless Fucks.

You still have no proof that the translation is inaccurate.

>>379707752
>Most of them were cut because they sucked
Either that or they were moved to help 14 out as that had way more priority then a spinoff
I think there was even a rumor/leak about that being the case but I could be wrong. And then again it is just a rumor

>>379707594
except for that whole fact that the neoGAF thread STARTED with a google translate, then an Italian forum user named Philippe re-translated it to be more accurate

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1327881#post227127355

you've been driving this clown car way too long m8. it's time to give up the driver's wheel

>>379707969
You're right, it could have been that too. ARR released August 2013, which means that ramping it up and finishing it off from 2012-2013 is plausible

I guess the only way to confirm that is to look at the list of people who worked on Versus and crossreference them with the credits of ARR, but I'm not really autistic enough to spend an hour doing that

>>379702705
Sweet, anything else on the 30th anniversary announcement? Seeing how they are adding new stuff like this, it seems that BD2 is still tweaking/experimenting with the engine.

>>379705404
Regalia's backstory
>It's a custom classic, not some beat up old clunker
>Regis drove it 30 years ago when he went on his roadtrip
>It's Noctis's "safe place"
>Noctis uses it on his roadtrip
>It breaks down in Leide and Cidney fixes it
>Cidney likes the car a lot and upgrades it with different parts
>It breaks down for good in Niflheim after rockets explode while driving on the train tracks to get into Gralea.

Luna's backstory
>She is born daughter of the Fleuret family, princess of Tenebrae and younger sister of Ravus and daughter of Sylva. Gentiana came to the Fleuret family when Luna was born.
>When she was 12 she meets prince Noctis when he comes to Tenebrae to heal from a grave injury he sustained
>Luna and Noctis spend a lot of time toghether and become close friends, she teaches him all kinds of things, including pertaining to her and his calling, cosmogony and she is the one who tells Noctis of his role as the chosen king.
>While there Niflheim attacks their manor because they want to kill Regis who was there at the time, Sylva is killed in the process and Luna and Ravus fall under imperial capture as Regis escapes with Noctis, with Luna willingly staying behind to be with Ravus
>Luna is beaten as a child by Niflheim soldiers
>When she is 16 she becomes the Oracle, the youngest oracle in history
>For the next years she travels around the world healing the sick, going to villages and towns to bless the people, all while under imperial watch
>She also blesses the Haven campgrounds around the world.
>When she is 24 she is engaged to Noctis in a political wedding, she gets involved in the invasion in Insomnia and meets up with Regis, acquiring the ring and making it out
>She goes around waking up the Astrals performing rites so that the covenants can be forged with Noctis
>During the rite with Leviathan she is stabbed and killed by Ardyn, not before she protects Noctis from Leviathan and powers him up and delivers the ring to him

Not really.

>>379708349
I don't even know if there even is an entire list of the people who worked on versus so it would kind of be almost impossible.
From what I can tell this could be a likely scenario
>2006-2011: Crystal tools engine is garbage and fucks up almost every game that it's attached to
>Late 2011: kitase announces versus has entered full production finally
>2012: Decision was made to help speed the process up on XIV 2.0's development and versus team was cut down again.
>2012: With type-0 finally completed, square re-assigns that team to work on versus and puts tabata in as co-director as he had asked nomura before for the opportunity and the higher ups said yes

>>379707682
>theory
How is a theory when it's fact? You are the one in denial by clinging to faulty translations and ignoring what actually fucking happened.

>>379707752
I'm not doubting that Nomura fucked up, but he did not have 200 people working on Versus, and there wasn't only 20 people working on XV. It goes against every single statement pertaining to the transition from Versus to XV we know.

They added in people from the Type-0 and Luminous engine team along with the Versus dev team to form the FFXV team in 2012. Why would there suddenly be 20 devs when even just counting the people involved it's much larger than 20 for those on XV since 2012. Meaning that it is not possible that there was 200 on Versus then only 20 on XV, when it's the opposite, there was 20 on Versus then 200 on XV when they added in Type-0 and Luminous engine devs into the Versus team to form the FFXV team in 2012.

>>379707989
>He's italian that means his english is good
Sorry but no, again even just reading this Phillippe posts you can see inaccuracies in his spelling and grammar.

>>379693835
FFXIV is currently nearly a quarter of Square-Enix's income, they even literally used the new expansion to cook the books to hide how much FFXV bombed since they knew it would make enough to hide the funds. They keep the game running for pennies and charge a shitload of money for cash shop items that the playerbase buys en masse. Probably 20% of the players have spent upwards of $500 just on character edit potions alone

>>379708997
>It goes against every single statement pertaining to the transition from Versus to XV we know.
Then link them. The only other person in the thread providing links is the other guy you're arguing with

Your posts are literally worthless, especially the ones saying "this Italian->English translator is not good!" without explaining exactly how the Italian was misinterpreted. Your anonymous shitposts aren't proof I'm afraid, you've given us no reason to trust your authority or judgement

>>379708997
>when it's fact
>what actually fucking happened.
You have literally shown no proof in your favor. All you have done is say "No I'm right" this entire argument. Show proof you idiot. Where are you getting 20 to 200 from

>>379708984
>kitase announces versus has entered full production finally
That was a mistranslation, what he said was that Versus and Type-0 are both being given 100% effort. I mean if you want to say Versus entered full production at that time because of what Kitase said then that would also mean he's saying Type-0 had just entered full production too, even though he said that only 1 month before Type-0 came out.

>>379708997
>Why would there suddenly be 20 devs when even just counting the people involved it's much larger than 20 for those on XV since 2012.

>>379703626
>It went from ~200 during Versus (before 2012), cut down to 20 right before it was re-branded (2012, presumably to get rid of all of the people who were fucking the project up so badly), then the Type-0 team was merged in (20+29, so let's say about 50, in summer 2012, see usgamer article). Then the team grew in size from there.

>>379709024
That's basically what happened to FFXI except FFXI's original version wasn't so bad that they had to blow Vana'Diel up with a meteor and spend an ungodly amount of money working up a new engine for it.

Profit is revenue minus expenses, and both XIV and XV had an unfathomable amount of expenses

>>379709443
>an ungodly amount of money working up a new engine for it.
They spent fucking pennies working on 2.0 and last I checked they used an already existing engine, they didn't create a new one.
>That's basically what happened to FFXI
FFXI didn't have a cash shop.

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>>379693186
>XV-kun still hasn't killed himself

XV is on sale but I don't want to buy it only for it to get a pc announcement at e3

>>379709236
>then that would also mean he's saying Type-0 had just entered full production too
That is some leaps in logic there

>>379709181
You can find Tabata's statements about the devs that he's mentioned in interviews even easier than Ferrari's statements that he made in his facebook. And even in that Ferrari statement he says they had 200 people on the game in 2013, so either you really don't know how to do some basic math and you lack basic common sense. Or you really are desperate to cling to a fucking mistranslation because it somehow implies Versus had a big team when there is no proof it ever did, and Ferrari's own statement doesn't imply it.

Not to mention not a single fucking person back when Ferrari made his posts on facebook said anything about there somehow being 200 people on Versus, because that isn't what Ferrari even said. Mistranslations from Italian to English are not uncommon, even officially translated interviews are still full of faulty English.

Like this interview here http://www.akibagamers.it/26-12-2016/intervista-roberto-ferrari-character-designer-final-fantasy-xv/, which you can see a google translate here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227394152&postcount=594

Had to be retranslated into English because of mistranslations by Ferrari here https://pastebin.com/FD2GfTT3

Like this sentence that was google translated

>se durante la vostra avventura doveste mai incontrare un ambiguo e losco figuro, diciamo forse il più italiano tra tutti i personaggi (sarà perché è una mia creatura?) non vi fidate di lui, mi raccomando!

>if you during your adventure you ever run into an ambiguous and sinister figure, say maybe most Italian of all the characters (it will be because it is my creature?) I do not trust him, please!

Was retranslated by Ferrari into proper English here

>if during your adventure you happen to run into a suspicious and shady character - let's say the most italian one (could it be because I was the one who drew him?) - don't you ever trust him!

Man XV sure is serious buseniess

>>379709997
>post link
>still nothing in your favor
Stop running in circles you faggot. Show fucking proof. Where are you getting 20 to 200 from

>>379710139
People are generally in agreement that XV was rushed and shit. It's just a matter of blaming Nomura or Tabata at this point.

>>379709201
You cannot be this fucking dense.

We know XV had 200 devs when Versus became XV because that was stated by Tabata years ago, we know that they merged Type-0 and Luminous devs with the Versus team to form the XV team in 2012 because it was stated years ago.

Just looking at Ferrari's own statement he says they had 200 devs in 2013.

So why the fuck would they have 200 devs on Versus, then when they add Type-0 and Luminous engine staff to the Versus team to make the XV team it is now suddenly only 20 devs, then is 200 devs again only a few months later?

When the actual logical and factual course of events was they had 20 people on Versus, they merged the Type-0 and Luminous teams with the Versus team to get 200 people in 2012 when rebooting Versus to XV, then they still had 200 people in 2013.

>>379709295
>Still trying to cling to mistranslations and google translate

You're own fucking shitpost there itself goes against what you are trying to cling to what you think Ferrari said.

>>379710408
I blame Square in general

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>>379693186
Holy fuck. Just let the game go already XV-kun.

>>379709617
In September 2011, 1 month before Type-0 released on PSP in Japan, Kitase made statement in that they are giving both Type-0 and Versus 100% effort to them, people took this to mean that Versus had just entered full production and so Kitase was mistranslated as having said Versus was in full produciton, but if that was true then by the same logic it would mean Kitase also just said Type-0 entered full production because he said both Type-0 and Versus. When all he was saying was that they were giving Type-0 and Versus 100% effort to them.

>>379710623
>but if that was true then by the same logic
No that's you being a fucking retard

>>379709997
>And even in that Ferrari statement he says they had 200 people on the game in 2013,

>I wasn't part of the 2010 group from XIII that "would have scatched their bellies" (and then turned into the XV one), i came into May 2010. I know i was called in when a (female) designer resigned since she wasn't able to get any kind of approval from the art director. Then, from 2010 till the end of 2011 i worked on the designs i got assigned with, without any big issues. That's why, when the team got resized from 200 workers to around 20 in 2012 (right before the arrival of Tabata and the Type-0 team), i was still there and worked with the newcomers till 2013. Then i left because i followed mister Nomura.
I had no story planned for Gentiana, but i can confirm you that the writers changed the script i received in 2011.
[...] I stand behind what Sakaguchi said about big budget games developement: it's not worth it anymore. But they are also very disorganized. The staff -200 souls- had to work when the story still wasn't completely definied. In fact, this story kept changing every 3 months and the definitive delivery date for the game was for the end of 2014 (who would have thought it would have been pushed back to November 2016?).

Piece by piece here.

>Ferrari joined the team May 2010
>From 2010-2011 he completed his art tasks without any issues
>In 2012 the team was resized from 200 to 20
>Tabata and Type-0 team were merged in right after the downsize
>Ferrari left in 2013
>Nomura left in 2013
...
>When the staff was at 200, the story had not even been finished
>The game's release date goal was 2014

I don't know why this is difficult for you.

It was kinda fun

Who gives a shit about this game. It even got blown the fuck out by XIII. Shit is shameful.

I refuse to use items in traditional FF because they too make it impossible to die
Did the same here and had about the same difficulty

I tell everyone to not use items in rpg's because they make them way too fucking easy, you can call it gimping yourself but I unconsciously did it even at like 7 playing pokemon red

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/361327663/#361335503
lol I found it
>basing your entire argument over one anons quick Google translate summary greentext over an Italian's own translations

>>379698535
Huh.
>>379697291
>if you ever get a game over in a FF game
A casual playthrough of FF1 will likely have you dying in Marsh Cave.

>>379710185
See >>379707230
From his original post which I specifically remember reading what he said there, and it was in response to a "Sara". And like I mentioned before the original post seems to have been deleted because it's not showing up on his facebook anymore. So now the only text of it is a google translate error and another translation full of faults.

What part of them mixing the Versus, Type-0 and Luminous engine team to form the XV team, which is much bigger than 20 people don't you fucking get? How could XV possibly have had only 20 people when the people from Versus, Type-0 and Luminous engine that were put into a single team for FFXV far exceed 20 people?

>>379710701
Are you really this fucking stupid?

He says both they are giving both Type-0 and Versus their 100% effort, people somehow think this means Versus just entered full production, yet by that same logic it would mean he also just said Type-0 entered full production.

>>379710719
>This retard still going
Ferrari joined in 2010, so did people like Sun Prasert and Wan Hazmer.
In 2012 Versus was rebooted to FFXV, and they mixed the Versus team, Type-0 team and Luminous engine team to form a 200 man dev team. There cannot possibly have been 200 people on Versus and only 20 people on XV in 2012, when the Versus, Type-0 and Lumionus people that were put into the FFXV team is far more than 20 regardless, therefore the only logical conclusion is that Versus somehow having 200 people is a mistranslation, and it was Versus that had 20 people, they added Type-0 team and Luminous staff into the one team to form the 200 member FFXV team in 2012
Ferrari states in 2013 they still had 200 members and that they had no defined story and it was changing story every 3 months.
Ferrar and Nomrua both left XV in December 2013 when SE restructured the company and Tabata took over XV
Tabata states they had increased the staff from 200 internal to 300-400 through external contractors from XPEC and HexaDrive.

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>>379711012