Is there any character in all of fiction who has had a harder

>>379612707
It's not his fault that the little robots where fucking retards.

BABBY'S FIRST NIER

>>379612707
That moment in the last chapter when you walk up to him, after you erased his memories.... Pretty sad.

Also, speaking of "him"
>make a robot
>give it male name
>have it refered to with male pronouns
>have it voiced by a girl
???

Emil

Pascal x Suffering is the best ship

>>379612936
nah he has a good life now selling babby robot parts

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>>379612936
Those machines were more confused about the concept of gender identity than the lgbt community.

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>>379612707
Atlas from Greek mythology

>>379612936
Hes so cute sounding too.

>>379612936
If he was voiced by a dude he might've seemed threatening. Maybe it was a conscious choice.

have you ever been so scared that you killed yourself

>>379613796
Pascals voice is adorable.
I hope you played with original VAs and not the dub shits.

>>379613579
Why doesn't he just drop it?

>>379612707
9S

>>379614139
he's trapped, he can't move even if he wanted to

>>379612936
>not killing him instead

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He's not even the greatest struggler in his own game.
Emil struggled for 7k years.
2B was on a verge of psychotic break for 3 years and tried to commit suicide.
9S had a few worst weeks in his life too.
Pascal happily chilled in his village for years and then chickened out when he encountered first true suffering.

>>379612936
>have it refered to with male pronouns
Thats actually not consistent. 9S refers to Pascal as "she" at least once I've noticed.

>>379612707
Jesus Christ

*tips*

>>379612936
I left him alive and unwiped. It feels like the best choice in a game about existentialism to not aid someone in assisted suicide or suicide of self.

21O

>>379612707
Emil

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What's going on here, babby's first suffering contest?

>>379614332
>>Emil will never meet Nier and Kaine again because Replicants are replaced by these YorHa chumps
>His model of artificial human is actually the best because he survived as a head for millennia while YorHa gets punked out constantly

Feels badman

>>379612707
>pascal choice scene
>walk away because deleting his memories will kill This pascal
>also because scene with 9S discussing machines' incapability to learn outside of combat may be due to personal data wipes at first sign of hardship
>come to conclusion that letting him live with the pain will help him learn and struggle through it to truly grow
>an hero
There is clearly an extent to how much I should believe in the power friendship, and I crossed it.

>>379614587
>That girl she likes won't go out with her
>2B won't let her eat that pussy for hours

Truly, 21O shares the same struggles as we

>machine
>life

Pick one.

>>379612707
Emil

>>379612936
>Erase
Fuck that, let him live with it

I just finished ending A. Do I need to do all the same sidequests I did with 2B as 9S, or can I skip them this time around? Because a lot were no fun at all.

>>379614865

That's 6O. 21O is the serious one that secretly wants to have a family.

>>379615013
I think you just have to do the intro sidequests (getting the camp setup before Anemone gives you the plot quest)

but no you don't have to do the others.

I think the way it works is that the two of em each have "unique" sidequests and a bunch of shared once and once you totally finish a quest you're good

>>379615013
Jesus fucking christ man. Leave the Internet forever until you get ending E. Don't spoil one of the best gaming experiences of our time.

>>379615013
Um leave. Leave this thread right now.

>>379614743
YoRHa has nothing to do with replicants aside from arguably personality data, and they existed for less than 10 years.

>>379615013

Leave now. You WILL be spoiled.

>>379615013
Humanity is actually extinct, 2B gets killed by A2, 9S becomes a psychopath, and they all lived happily ever after.

>>379615176
But how will I shitpost about Persona 5 while I play Near Audiotomatoes if I'm gone?

I played Nier so I'm kinda expecting a "YOU WERE THE VILLAIN THE WHOLE TIME! ROBOTS WERE IN THE RIGHT!" ending, but with how flaccid 2B's story ended I think it's gearing up for more than that. I wonder if those aliens factor in.

>>379615464

>humanity is actually extinct

This isn't a spoiler if you played the first Nier like you're supposed to.

>>379612707
How can you even say that when Nier: Automata features Emil

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>>379615545
That's all I saw before I covered the screen with my hands and blindmanned over to the hide post button. So now I think I might actually have to go before dickbags spoil my fun. See you dudes when I'm done.

I wonder if we'll ever see what happened to the original Emil. I was glad to see his clone Automata, but hearing what happened to him really upset me.

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>>379615545

First Nier (well, side materials) say that some pockets of replicants were successfully reunited with their gestalts before the Shadowlord died.

Then they were left to their own devices in a planet full of relapsing shades.

While the chances of any of them surviving was slim, the "oh the fraction of humanity left went to the moon" lie was believable.

If anything it would have been less predictable if there were humans still alive on the moon.

>>379615545
not the other poster but I didn't play Nier before Automata and I picked up on that almost immediately after 9S comments on how the broadcast sounds robotic.

>>379614889
>implying machines made of flesh are somehow more 'alive' than ones made of metal

>>379615976
>9S comments on how the broadcast sounds robotic
When he said this?

>>379616154
Early on in route A, after a broadcast 9S comments on how "stiff" the broadcasts always sound.

>>379615545
It was sketchy but I assumed that maybe some humans/Replicants/Gestalts could be salvaged and put into cryo or something. The twist didn't really surprise me but the idea of YorHa as a psychological beacon of hope for androids did.

>>379612826
>It's not his fault that the little robots where fucking retards.
But it literally is tho

>>379612826
Well...it partially was

He literally taught them Fear but didn't teach him how to deal with said Fear

>>379616768
>teach an effectively immortal machine the concept of fear
>forget to teach bravery too
>be surprised when they off themselves at the first sign of danger
robot village tis a silly place, lets not go there

>playing movie games in the year of 2017

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>>379612707
>dis memris meak me flls bed, pls rmov thmms

Fuck you.
Robots that wanna be human always take the easy way out when shit gets difficult.

>>379612707
He was a coward who thought he could avoid everything around him. "Yeah I'll just live in peace :DDD". Sadly, it doesn't work like that.

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He's a robot. He can't have a hard or easy life. He is simply mimicking the expected responses for each situation.

>>379617498

he nuts up to protect the children though

he dun goofed teaching them about fear without coping mechanisms

>>379617758
What coping mechanism would you suggest for fear of an endless wave of killer war robots coming at you and nothing to protect yourself with. Ignoring that, the entire premise is stupid. You're afraid of dying so you kill yourself? It's a pretty forced emotional scene.

>>379614448
When? I had this talk with my brother early on in the game and he swore somebody referred to him as "she" at least once when he played it so I was listening for it the whole game and never heard it.

stop talking about this game

>>379612707
I dont own this game, why did i see a video of those robots eating people, what the fuck.

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>>379618417
No.

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>>379612707
Two, Leonard, and Pascal need a support group.

>>379618130

Some bullshit about how it's better to die fighting than just give up, I guess. Most humans do this, so it wouldn't have been that unbelievable.

I think if the children did something dumb like throw themselves at the enemy to emulate Pascal, then their deaths would have been less forced.

I'm not sure if we'd end up with the same erase or kill scenario though.

>>379618435
There are plenty of scenes that would just make you ask what or why out of context, that's how you know it's an interesting game. You should play it.

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>>379618417
No.

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>>379614587
Hey at least a person she considered her son survived and will be happy.

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>>379614743
He met them all again.

Just not in life.

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>>379612707
>be an ancient astronaut
>be exiled on a stone age mudball for various reasons
>find a bunch of hairless apes banging rocks together
>help hairless apes ascend to a technological golden age in less than 5000 years
>help them navigate the perils of being seeded with tiberium for harvesting
>help them lay a trap for a bunch of asshole space locusts addicted to tiberium
>help them ascend to the next stage of evolution
>Throughout all this, be constantly betrayed and undermined by these hairless apes, when you've been nothing but honest and forgiving
>not once lose hope, even after being killed and nearly defeated numerous times
>hold no grudges against those who rejected your vision

Is there anyone who can compare to Kane?

>>379612707
Nigga the King of Facade would like a word with you

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>>379618798
>all main cast aside from Weiss got happy end via E ending from Grimoire Nier
>but Emil still suffered simply because he lived for far too long

>>379618417
>stop talking about games on /v/

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Hello maggots superior protagonist here.
Never got that happy ending either.

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>>379619293
>such a shit protagonist even Taro forgot why he killed him off

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>>379619042
I feel like Weiss was probably ready to rest after so long as well.

>>379619293
>he turned a whole civilization into salt

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>>379619293
>Never got that happy ending either.
Don't worry Caim, Nowe's here for that.

>>379619692
Older Manah was the only good thing about that game.

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>>379619541

Nobody will ever be as shit as Nowe.

>>379619623

>He died ruining a world and murdering an entire civilization.

Doing what he loved

>>379619293
>murderous psycho
>into bestiality
>was totally fine teaming up with pedo and a child-eater
>was completely fine letting a kid come too
>Literally enjoys killing way to much
>Denies his sister the dick, dooming the world and Earth
>In most endings, humanity survives completely buttfucked due to his incompetence/heartlessness
>Deserves a happy ending

wow, it really makes you think.

>>379619780

If I were in Caims shoes then the ending where Manah is happy has to be the biggest kick in the balls.

>>379619692

>Worst Drakengard protagonist has appeared.

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>>379619780
Older Manah was alright until they threw her into the ineffectual love-interest role to play second banana to Nowe.

>>379614724
Nierbabies going on as usual

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>In most endings, humanity survives completely buttfucked due to his incompetence/heartlessness

Forgetting about pick related.

>into bestiality

>Would say no to a grumpy warrior dragon that would follow him into bloody combat.

Man its as if your gay.

>was totally fine teaming up with pedo and a child-eater

For the record Manah almost doomed the world a second time because she couldn't fail hard enough the first time.

>>379620496
The world is shit, let it end, since humanity is no longer around to be its rightful master.

>>379612707
Gulcasa from Yggdra Union

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>>379619780
The story had lots of potential, but every character becomes increasingly less interesting the closer they got involved with Nowe and his less than sensible motivations.

>>379620000
So does Taro think bestialty is more accpetable than incest?

>>379614303
of course he can, but as a greek character he is completely aware of his position, yet equally incapable of escaping it.

He was sentenced by zeus to carry the sky so that it will not touch the earth, and since the titans and gods act on different principles than humans, he cant simply put a chair under it and mosey.

>>379620880

He's Japanese.
Surprised he didn't put in his racial piss and scat fetish into the game. That shit makes Japs as hard as diamonds.

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>>379620000
>9S went on a murder rampage as well but was ready to die for his memories of a time he spent together girl
>on a verge of death accepted that he was wrong the whole time
>actually got a happy ending
Taro really became softer.

>>379620000
>Tons of shit helped him get to that point
>Didn't Angelus have some human form in one of the extra materials or something?
>Hey when you are up against lovecraftian horrors, take whatever help you can get.
>Said kid had magic powers and a giant fucking golem on his side
>Yep then again pretty much all the protagonists kill a fuck ton anyway
>How's that his fault? If anything its his dumbass sister's fault
>Humanity survives though. Also if I recall right it was that priest dude who fucks shit up in the first place due to needlessly putting more suffering on Angelus

>>379621125
What the fuck is wrong with japs?

>>379620496
For all the shit Manah gets (and deserved at least to some degree) damn it her mother must be the fucking WORST when making friends with giant cannibal psycho god babies is preferable

>>379612707
You cant be serious.
Even on the same series theres at least 3 or 4 characters.
Pascal lost his village and that was it.
Theres like 999 other characters in games alone that went through the same shit.

>>379616108
Metabolism

In Drakengard ending E would have gone better if they just let Godzilla handle it like they usually do.

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9s a shit

>>379620956
>titans and gods act on different principles than humans

didn't zeus fuck trees and kill his dad? who made that guy in charge anyway

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>>379612707
Pascal, friends, and A2 were best friends

fuck you n2

>>379614562
>I left him alive and unwiped

so you walked out of the room to make him do the much harder thing and kill himself, alone and in deep emotional pain?
wow what a fucking hero you are

>>379622517
Is it more heroic to erase his memory? Or to kill him? He wants to be human, that means accepting the pain that comes along with the joy.

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>>379614562

fucking patrician right here

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>>379622616
>He wants to be human
I don't recall him saying that.

He enjoyed philosophy and wanted to rise above what he was built for, but he wasn't desperately imitating humanity like Adam and Simone were.

>>379612707
robots don't have lives

>>379623167
perhaps that was the wrong wording. He wanted to live for himself out side the machine network, yes? Then, what is the point of going back to zero simply when things get bad?

>>379612707
Does anyone have the suffering/deserved suffering chart for /v/?

>>379622616
it doesn't matter. he asked you as a friend to do him a favor. and you walked out on a nigga. because you thought you knew what was best. bad anon.

>>379623786
Yes.

>Deserved suffering
>everyone on /v/

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>>379623890
Are you kidding me? How can he, as a friend, ask me to do something so horrible to him? It's a shitty situation all around. I don't want my friend to die, nor do I want to kill him. Erasing his memory is killing him, too. He won't be "pascal" anymore. And what of his other still living friends? The androids at the camp who consider him friends too? Because he experienced something bad, he's going to abandon everything in the world to escape this moment?

>>379612707
Emil

>>379612707
>robot
>life

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Explain this

>>379627257
Merchandise jewing given that it goes after
>Focus on Merchandise: Final Fantasy Trading Card Game

>>379621679
>robots don't use fuel

>>379623630
>Then, what is the point of going back to zero simply when things get bad?
I guess the hope that fate wouldn't conspire against him the second time around.

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Sooooo... the Planet Earth was empty all the time. (except emil, androids, animals and nature)
So that, the aliens were nothing more than poor Refugees searching for a new place to life.

>>379618435
because Nii-chan said that humans gains knowledge by eating.

>>379612707
guts

>>379629937
Yeah I don't get that. The alien machine life forms that invaded a nearly desolate earth couldn't even eradicate a group of replicants led by Emil and his clones? And then Emil fucked off and the replicants kept fighting the aliens/machines to a stalemate until the machines decided to lie to themselves that humans were still alive to bolster morale, and the alien machines held back from eradicating them outright in order to forcefully boost their own evolution? Did I get that right?

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>Emil says that even if it’s painful, they still have to keep fighting, precisely because this was the world their friends died trying to protect.

The fuck?
All what Papa Nier want, was to save his Daughter.

>>379622040
Zeuz isn't in charge. Everyone else is either pleased with their domains, or scared of him.

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>>379629937
The first thing they did when they touched down was start decimating everything apparently. Probably glassing a planet, settling down, and moving onto the next one.

Adam described them as more plant-like than genuinely emotional or sapient. So I don't think it's a huge loss that the machines took them out.

>>379631213
Squid penis aliens tried to invade earth, Emil and his clones beat them back singlehandedly.

Penis aliens copied Emil's design to make super efficient fighting robots (the machine lifeforms we see in Automata.) The Emil clones are defeated and scatter. Somehow the remaining replicants from Nier 1 band together to form a resistance against the now dominant machine lifeforms. Jump forward thousands of years later to Nier Automata and the replicants are still resisting the alien robots, and create Project YorHa to bolster morale and hide the now lost truth that humanity is extinct.

The machines and Android resistance leadership apparently enter into an agreement... Machines and android will keep fighting perpetually with neither side able to win decisively. The machines will evolve and reach their goal of becoming more human, who they see as Gods worth emulating (unlike their plant like penis alien creators who they despised.)

The androids in turn are spared utter annihilation by the more adaptable machine lifeforms, and are allowed to continue to exist and fight. On course this involves a great deal on secrecy, thus the need for such things as Executioner units to help keep the truth from getting out to the general android populace.

Someone correct me if my interpretation of the story is wrong.

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>>379631791

I think this might have been mistranslated. In the post-game shit for Nier, Emil GET OFF MY LAWNS the ayys because he treasures the world that his friends lived on, rather than them actively wanting to save it.

>>379631791
He was with Kaine and supposedly Yonah and revived Nier for a while longer after the incident, defending the village from feral shades.

Nier's ultimate goal was to protect the people closest to him in the end, but with everyone else gone I think home is the only thing Emil has left to remember any of them.

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One Question about Emils Shack.
Is there a Reference i dont get?
All that junk? Its look similiar to Kaines Shack.

>>379632132
The replicants and any vestige of humanity besides the data on the moon was long gone by the time the aliens arrived.

The machines created YoRHa so they could follow their basic programming and have an enemy they could consistently destroy, once they had already killed their creators for lack of an enemy. Humanity was used a god for the androids to emulate and fight for. This probably draws parallels from wars being fought over ideology, resources or land. The alien wars happen due to all three.

Eventually the human information is added to the machine network, and the network itself starts fucking up and creating machines that have no interest in following their original directive (like Pascal and his peaceful machines, or pseudoandroids like Adam). The internal conflict in the network is what causes all the shit with the red girl and the network's destruction.

>>379632871
You mean the one really deep into the caves or the one you take an elevator under the mall to get to? Because the second one IS Kaine's house.

>>379632871
It's Kaine's grandma shack.

>>379614448
That literally never happens.

>>379632132
You're misintrepreting a lot of it. Replicants were wiped out ages ago, as they can't survive without the corresponding Gestalt. Without the Shadowlord, Gestalts are unable to stabalize and die out, leaving the Replicants to die from the Black Scrawl. Machines and Androids never go into a direct agreement, it's indirect. The reason why the conflict exists is because both sides need purpose. Machines are programmed with the sole task of defeating the enemy, so if they do defeat the androids, they'll be left with no purpose. On the android side, if they do manage to defeat the machines, than the remaining androids will quickly realize that humans are not coming back, which is again their sole purpose, to serve humans. The reason why Machine evolves is not because they want to become human, but because the Network realizes the futility of the struggle, and wants to find new purpose. Also, executioner units only protect the secret of humanity being extinct, nobody, not even the Commander, knows about the true purpose behind Project YoRHa.

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>>379632871
the one among the Lunar Tears is Kainé's shack from Nier
the one deep into the caves is just a random shack he made

i still dont know why his head was inside a robot...

>>379614332
When did 2b try to commit suicide? I know she was having a hard time killing 9s over and over but dont recall her trying to kill herself.

When adam asked "you want to **** 2b dont you" itssuppose to be kill right.

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>>379612707
Don't want to hijack a vidya thread...but fuck you.

Yes.

Yes there fucking is.

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We need DLC of the Emil clones vs cocksquid alien war.

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>>379634518
>Emil confirmed for being homosexual
>defeated by Dicks

well.... he cant kill what he loves i guess.

Do i have to beat the shump at the end? Its kicking my ass one square enix shows up.

>>379634242
>When did 2b try to commit suicide?
Side materials.
She literally tries to become an hero in memory thorn via virus but 9S forcibly hacks her, learns everything and kills himself asking her to keep killing him so they can be together at least this way.

>>379634809
keep playing

>>379634016
Actually, the androids maintaining the council of humanity server on the moon might know, but we never see them so fuck those guys anyway.

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>>379634808
kek

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>>379619572
>art of Weiss' little foreign waifu
>remember that she died horribly and Weiss didn't even remember her in the end

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>>379634808

>defeated

he conquered every dick my dude

>>379635431

I hated how she was just shelved in Emil's library and nobody was really like "holy shit another grimoire, why???"

I get that the game had no budget, but geez.

>>379633434
>The replicants and any vestige of humanity besides the data on the moon was long gone by the time the aliens arrived.

Right, but true androids (not Replicants which required human souls) like Devola and Popola existed and it was these androids that survived and apparently created more androids while all the Gestalts and Replicants died off. It's the descendants of these androids who resisted the machine lifeforms and eventually created Project YoRHa using machine cores.

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>>379619572
>>379635431
>she prob turned into Grimoire Rubrum
>mfw Weiss killed her and didnt realise who she was

>>379636051
I don't think Weiss remembered he used to be human, let alone about his waifu

He lost everything

>>379634518
I nearly lost it when I saw that veiny one. I almost cannot believe this is offical in-game artwork. Yoko Taro you fucking madman.

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STOP SMILING EMIL, THERE IS SOME SAD SHIT GOING ON!

>>379634016
>The reason why Machine evolves is not because they want to become human, but because the Network realizes the futility of the struggle, and wants to find new purpose.

So, did they find it when building the ark ?

So I finished this today. I got the gist of everything and reading over this thread helped clarify anything I was unsure of.

However, Adam and Eve. I couldn't stand them and their anime tier rants about death and violence, and I took a break after A so I wasn't connecting the dots with stuff you find out later with the shit they were rambling about. Is there some genius to Adam and Eve that I'm missing? I still think I'll hate them, even if there is

>>379634945
Its so frustrating man. I usually like shumps but this is getting under my skin bad.

>>379637096
keep going

>>379631791
He may be misremembering why he's trying to keep fighting, I'm sure the original emil wanted to keep his friends memory alive by saving earth so maybe over time it warpped the perception of the mini-emils into thinking his friends were trying to save earth

>>379637096
You have to be online.

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>>379636972

I liked Adam and Eve just because Adam tries to sound so fucking smart by taking stuff literally and Eve is basically this puppy dog that does whatever but really just wants to play.

To me they are endearing rather than insufferable because things they do go to shit so spectacularly, and then they chill the fuck out and go to space.

>>379636749
Pretty much, the Ark was just a way for the Network to say "fuck this, I'm out".

>>379637521
Ive been trying for half an hour, im going to take a break and have some beer. Maybe if i relax il get through it.

>>379637845
Just moved into a new place so internets not up yet. I really want to finish it today but should i wait?

>>379638029
Wait until you are online.

>>379638029
Yeah wait until you have an internet connection.

>>379638029
Get the fuck out and wait for you internet to come back up.

>>379638029
Just use mobile hotspot on your phone for a bit or something. You're posting here right now aren't you?

>>379638096
Fuck man. I guess i can grind until i beat the dlc in the mean time. I thought i was going to see the ending.

>>379638213
Dont you have to pay extra if ypu use a hotspot? Ive got verizon

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>>379636972
Adam and Eve are merely decoy antagonists set up by N2, both of them are just two brothers thrown into a meaningless world. The only reason they turn to violence is because 2B and 9S show them example as Eve gets born when his brother is hurt and his brother's first memory is two asshole androids attacking him when he just wanted to talk.

And even then Adam seems to get a major character development between A/B and D as he has no more malice and peacefully asks 9S to come with them while holding his sleeping brother. For all intends and purposes they are a deconstruction of typical white-haired JRPG villains like Albedo or Ramirez and portrayed simply as another victims of machine network that thankfully manages to understand that it was hurting people at the very end of a game.

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>>379636972
They're basically a halfway boss. I never took them very seriously as individuals, just an expression of frustration of the machines.

When did 9S learn that 2B's real job was to kill him ?

Emil
Fyra
Father Nier
Brother Nier
Shadowlord
Kaine
Zero
Two
Manah
One (male)
Gideon
Yonah (Gestalt)
Weiss
that retarded book Redrum
pretty much anyone that was alive doing the pre-Nier time era (except Tyrann, fuck him)

>>379638958
I'd say Pascal is a lot worse than Gideon and Fyra

>>379638365
Do i need to 100% everything for this ending? Because im missing some fish and 1 weapon and a quest i think.

>>379638943
Unknown, probably deduced after Amnesia.
He didn't gave a shit about it and if anything, it only made his love for her stronger after he witnessed her mental breakdown form his death at the end of A/B.

>>379639102
No, you just need to have seen endings C and D, and you'll automatically start ending E once you've done so.

>>379638958
>except Tyrann, fuck him

He was a shithead, but ultimately I feel bad for him too.

>>379639254
Lolwat, why? he was the only real villain in the game, just a power hungry faggot.

>>379638414

Okay, this makes sense to me. I do feel like I've had to do a bit more dot connecting to enjoy this game. I enjoyed the plot of Nier the whole way through, but in a weird way I felt I only enjoyed parts of Nier Automata in retrospect. I really didn't think much of route A, but with all the info you get later that puts much of it in a whole new light, I appreciate it much more now.

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>>379639629

Without him, Kaine would have died without being able to avenge her grandma.

Though her (because their thoughts/feelings mingle), he KIND OF becomes less of a shithead. Enough to say "hey man I'm gonna pull this pact magic out of my ass and die so you can save Kaine, but if you don't want to it's no biggie either"

Did we play the same game? He's just a mouthy faggot, not a villain. Nobody in that game was a villain. That was the point.

>>379638943
>>379639123

Read the canon prequel novella "Memory Cage": https://mintychu.dreamwidth.org/340.html

9S has been killed by 2E many many times before, before the game starts. Even though he loses his memories each time he is executed by her, it's strongly implied that he retains some "feeling" or some vestigial knowledge of her true role.

Makes their relationship all the more tragic, really.

>>379639989
It's basically his fault her original grandma died dude lol, he also kills a lot of people that took care of Emil and also forces him to kill people. Read about the drama CD.

>>379639123
Thought so too, thanks anon. I found their relationship to be a very well written theme in the game.

>>379640114
see
>>379640035

>>379640102

The absence of Tyrann being a dickhead in the drama CDs wouldn't have changed the fate of the world. He kidnapped Emil on gestalt Kali's payroll.

>>379640102
Forgot to mention he was an internationally wanted criminal that actually got his Replicant deleted forever but his Gestalt kept possessing unwilling people for hundreds of years and killing them in the proccess, that's how he got to Kaine.

>>379640319
>>379640035
Saved, thanks.

>>379640114
So is drakengarg or the other nier worth playing/emulating? Ive only got a pc right now and they seem like fun.

>>379640848
I'd say Nier is definitely worth playing, but it's PS3 and Xbox 360 onky. Drakengard is a very unique game, but it is fucking atrocious to play. Don't listen to people who say to watch an LP of it though, as it's a game, much like other Taro games, that you have to play to experience.

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>>379639645
>I felt I only enjoyed parts of Nier Automata in retrospect
That's because Automata's plot is multi-layered by design, it was a conscious decision which makes the game's storytelling fairly unique. Each new route uncovers another layer of the story and it's not a coincidence that you begin playing as a dummy 2B but the real protagonist is 9S who sees way more and is more important in grand order of things.

First route is a fairly uninteresting struggle between brave comrades and evil JRPG villains trying unleash a calamity on the world.
Second route shows that so-called JRPG villains are merely two dumb kids, machines want nothing other than to find a meaning in this world, utter meaninglessness of everything you do as humanity is dead and strongly implies that 9S is a madman hiding all his desires behind innocent smile.
Third route flips virtually entire narrative multiple times starting by showing that 2B harboured such deep love for 9S she's ready to sacrifice herself for him and die saying his name and up to portraying even the evil machine network personality as a clueless retard who manages to evolve only by looking at 9S' struggle. Then it flips relationships between 2B and 9S once more by revealing her true identity which makes their crazy infatuation even more tragic.
And then comes E ending as a beautiful conclusion of this whole existential drama with even Pods rejecting their programming just to save the ones they love. At this point the narrative was flipped so many times that making a full new playthrough of route A will give a shitload of new insight about its events as you will be more likely to notice small details.

Overall i consider Automata to be a really solid example of a great postmodern narrative which is far greater than a simple sum of its parts.

>>379641432
Jesus, you summed up this game perfectly. Cheers anon.

>>379639082
Fyra spent her entire childhood as pretty much a slave after being thrown out by her family because she had ugly scars from being burned. Then on her wedding day, she was still a young teen by the way, she gets killed by some shitty dog.

>>379640102
Isn't it hinted that he got Hook to kill Kaine's grandmother because he was still a bitter bitch about replicant Kali?

>>379640114
>I found their relationship to be a very well written theme in the game
It becomes even better after reading side materials. Two lone androids who were lucky enough to fall for each other despite all odds and desperately resist virtually entire world just to have a chance to be together. Even their personalities were defined by spending time with each other as 2B goes from a mindless combat android to a frail girl who understood the value of life thanks to 9S and wants to live a life together with him and 9S went from a latent psychopath and mass murderer to a cute and cheery guy.

Still can't think about any other vidya love story topping this.

>>379635007
Theres only one android on the moon who is continually mind-wipped by networked pods and she doesn't know shit.

The pods might know.
The human preservation committee which is the core of the 'Army of Humanity' which is the umbrella organization of all androids and all bunkers might know.

Yorha is simply an offshoot of this army, a branch, that got machine core/black box tech from Zillian and your bunker is under this branch.

>>379612707
Emil

>>379634223
>i still dont know why his head was inside a robot...
He wanted to protect the shack, so he stuck around.
Then he wanted to avoid constantly fighting machines around the shack and attracting them to it because of his presence, so he hid, inside one.
Then he spent so long there he forgot why he was there.

>>379644535
>'Army of Humanity' which is the umbrella organization of all androids and all bunkers
As far as we know, Bunkers are independent of Resistance forces and even Kingdom of Night seems to be its own faction, they have no higher command save for the council of humanity that only sets out dummy signals and spews generic propaganda messages.

Even YoRHa is not dependent on any other military structure, they merely ask for collaboration and support if needed.

>>379612707
Is there any other people that actually have taste and don't like shit like Nier Automata?

>>379645190
Specifically the strategy guide said the Lunar base and all bunkers were created by 'The army of Humanity'.

Yorha is just a branch of this army, and the fake signals on the moon was a strategy by this army as well.

The Army of Humanity, and the 'Human preservation Committee' are the true leaders of the androids which we haven't seen at all.

But it would look like from the name, their gonna try and restart humanity from genomes after the machines got fucked.

>>379645461
>Q45. Are there any androids above YoRHa in the chain of command who’re responsible for calling the shots in the war against the machine lifeforms?
>There aren’t any. YoRHA, resistance members, other androids from the orbital bases, as well as the androids fighting in the kingdom of night* are all equal below the council of humanity.
*This is the region of the earth that’s permanently night, which includes North and South America.

>>379645527
When did the Earth stop rotating, I can't remember if it's said in any side material.

>>379645527
>The androids organize the 'Army of Humanity' as a means to fight the machines, originally a network of all androids to communicate with the Human Preservation Committee at its core.

The council of humanity doesn't exist, so to say androids are all under the council of humanity is deflection by Taro.

>>379645858
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F7KM18848_HHlQFviGCkJbXV1M-5SKm_HnVBTzzYlDg/mobilebasic

Army of Humanity probably was a thing at some point, but both the game and Taro himself hints mostly at collaboration going between different self-sustaining factions. That's why nobody was able to stop or correct the fucked up project YoRHa as Number 9 set it to be automatically carried out and there was no outside control over anything.

80% of the planet is taken by machine lifeforms and i won't be surprised if Human Preservation Comittee got devoured by machine network at final stages of its evolution.

>>379645858
Probably when Yoko Taro/Platinum Games decided it would not worth the effort to program proper day and night cycles into their video game.

>>379646189
There's no deflection as he says that council of humanity is a fake in the very same Q/A session and Commander mentions that they set up dummy signals there in advance so no outside force is controlling it, it's carried automatically by Pod 006.

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>>379645527
>The Kingdom of night
I always hoped that a story arc would lead there.

I mean, I imagine it's the same as the side we've seen, just darker and colder. But I wonder if it's implied that some form of life or machine evolved and adapted to that half of the world in a different way.

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>>379646392
Journey to the Kingdom of Night sounds nearly romantic if it will happen post-E just for those two dummies to see a starry sky.

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>>379645858
It happened a long time before the aliens or Yorha showed up.

I assumed it had something to do with the nuclear war combined with magical elements and cosmic horror contracts being introduced to the world, but I don't think they ever give a specific reason for why it actually stopped rotating.

>>379645858
It is explained somewhere, I think it had to do with how they defeated Red Eye by making some goofy magic portal and it fucked up the planet.

>>379646203
We don't really know much about the Army of Humanity or the Human Preservation Committee.

Hell we don't even fucking see the Bunker communicating with any other bunker.

We do know that at one point the Army of Humanity sent 10'000+ combat androids to fuck up deserter androids that fused with machines themselves and wiped the latter out completely.

So evidently the android army can field out a fuckton of combat androids.

>>379643662

>Two lone androids who were lucky enough to fall for each other despite all odds and desperately resist virtually entire world just to have a chance to be together.

Hang on, does this other content make the romantic aspect mutual and blatant? I know 9S got taunted about wanting to fuck 2B, but I didn't really see them as a romantic pairing.

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>>379646673
And bring Engels.

>>379646826
Deserter androids led by 9S and defeated by 2E before they were assigned together.

>>379643662
Kingdom Hearts 2 comes close.

>Nier Automata sequel
>You play as mysterious boy/girl
>Androids treat you the same but some treat you strangely
>Finish the game
>The twist is that your the first re-created human by some android research lab

I honestly think this is going to happen.

>>379646898
I don't understand were you guys come from, the first dialogue option in the game is

>Yes
>No
>Hit on 9S

You go into your inventory and the first line on 2B's story weapon is "Met my lover today"

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>>379612707

Nigga if you think he's got it bad you should read this shit.

The bunker commander was so much wasted fucking potential.

>>379647375
I chose hit on 9s for every dialogue option
100% canon

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>>379647462
>retard fucks his life up due to his own actions
>even if he is a piece of shit he manages to somehow get a waifu and friends
>hard life

>>379647646
I feel like her possessed logic virus form was a scrapped boss. She's got a statue in the boss room, although I suppose Taro's definition of bosses also includes things like Sleeping Beauty and Kierkegaard so maybe not.

>>379612707
Yes, in his own game, even.

A2

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>>379647294
It feels like the human data on the moon has a good chance of leading to something if we ever do see a direct sequel of sorts.

>The twist is that your the first re-created human
I feel like that's something you'd figure out before the final twist though, if everyone's still teleporting around and backing things up on cloud save systems and you're stuck taking the bus.

>Anemone traumatized all her comrades died
>A2 traumatized all her comrades died
>They realize their both alive
>Nothing comes out of it.

This was pretty fucking stupid.

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>>379646898
>Hang on, does this other content make the romantic aspect mutual and blatant?
It was always mutual.
Read Cruel Blood Oath and look at little details like 2B getting jealous during Amnesia quest, or read japanese Weight of the World lyrics which outright tells that she wants to live a life together with him.

Though side materials make this aspect more blatant, yes. She states that she can't forget his smile or the way he treated her, she outright states that she has a mysterious feeling towards him without knowing the name of that feeling and that she had no will to life prior to encountering him.
And in concert ending she literally dies from grief on a spot if he can't be awaken.

>>379623167
>I don't recall him saying that.
It's literally the thing the machine lifeforms by nature are trying to achieve.

>>379647986
Fake concert ending.

>>379647979
>Implying the human data on the moon isn't the player characters.
>Implying YOU aren't Nier Automata

Pod 42 includes you the player as he talks about the journey the six of you took before the final battle. And the final action of sacrificing your save file makes a lot more sense like this.

>>379647979
Bigger twist

You are a Human / Watcher hybrid after taking in some of the chlorination shit / the chlorination shit somehow gets mixed up with it

Watcher bullshit happens again

GO GO MONSTER GOD BABIES!

>>379646826
>Hell we don't even fucking see the Bunker communicating with any other bunker.
We see them requesting a satellite laser strike during Grun battle. It's not an order from above, they are requesting backup from another organisation.
>We do know that at one point the Army of Humanity sent 10'000+ combat androids to fuck up deserter androids
It says nothing about Army of Humanity but mentions Android Army which seems to be a different entity already.

>>379648116
Fake, of course. But it shows the strength of her feelings for him in case of bad end.

>>379647979
That child needs to be a clone of Caim so that the neverending killing can begin anew

>he didn't put pascal out of his misery
Heartless fucks

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>>379647984
To be fair, they didn't know each other for very long. They both lost their own respective team.

But I do think Anemone should have had a stronger role to play after her backstory reveal. She's just kind of another random quest giver compared to Popola and Devola. Heck, Jackass had more time to shine than she did.

>>379648556
>Kills all the robots and androids
>Everyone is just fucking freaked out at just how much this guy LOVES killing shit
>I-is this what Humanity is!?!?
>Final Boss tries to run away from the MURDER BONER

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>>379646898

>>379612707
I dont know but ive about had it with this janky ass shitty combat.

Totally level-based, all the worst ideas from rpgs, enemy levels get high enough and they just turn into un-stunnable, un-launchable health tanks. Counter attacking after perfect dodge leaves you vulnerable because you can still get fucking hit, and what the fuck is up with the slowdown that happens when you hit an enemy? Its like when my sword makes contact with an enemy we both stop moving for a split second. What the fuck is up with that? And what the fuck is up with the goddamn hitboxes? An enemy swings his sword at my teammate, i get dead angled like a bitch when there's no fucking momentum left in the attack and i get one shotted. Then you level up and stack chips and the game becomes a joke, enemies never last long enough for a launcher or finishers to ever be required, which is funny because when youre underleveled launchers and heavy stunlock type attacks wont stagger or launch for shit.

Fuck the balance in this game, makes it no fun to play.

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I find the little details like different bed placements for two of them highly amusing.

The 'Army of Humanity' is the overall and command of all androids, whether these are decentralized groups co-operating or it follows a hierarchy is unknown.

The bunkers, combat android manufacturing facilities, the moon base etc are all under this org.

Given the fake council of humanity was done to bolster all android morale, it seems all bunkers spew this propaganda but were not sure all bunkers have the backdoor since it seems to be implied to specifically be done to our bunker which is the Yorha bunker.

>>379648823
>clone Caim about to kill the earth
>gets transported back to his original dimension because this reality can't take his shit anymore
>kills everyone in Midgar by accident because they're not immune to our world's diseases
>kills two dimensions in one go
Caim should be proud

>>379649063
Taro literally stated that there's no one above YoRHa and other decentralised organisations in real chain of command. Ignore Taro as much as you want, just don't claim that your mental gymnastic has anything to do with the canon.
>were not sure all bunkers have the backdoor
Oh jesus fuck, and go read stageplay script number 2 for fuck's sake.

>>379648309
Wrong. "We 6" refers to Pod 042A/B/C and 153/A/B/C...the six pods you have control over throughout the game.

The 3 variants of 153 are freaking seen flying around in the ending.

>>379649018
If they drastically reduced and minimized healing, both healing items and the chips they could have balanced the game a fuckton easier.

The only way they could make difficulty given the healing options was to make 1-hit kills which are retarded.

>>379648823
I need this.

>>379649296
>Gets warped to Midgar
>Its Drakengard 2 timeline only this "Caim" doesn't know Angelus
>Meets the Drakengard 2 cast
>WHAT A BUNCH OF FAGS
>Kills them, the dragons, and the watchers

>>379647375
>>379647986
>>379648836

Hmm. You've convinced me.

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>>379647375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzsFtOPEVA&feature=youtu.be
I fucking love how cute their relationships are.

>>379649624
>gets transported to the wrong Midgar
>murders the cast of FFVII
or rather
>mercykills the cast of FFVII before the remake comes out in 2030

>>379648313
The android army is obviously is obviously part of the 'Army of Humanity' which is really just all the androids fighting the machines.

>>379634817

I have never heard that, is it one of those concerts or plays you have to read to find this information?

>>379650663
That also works

>>379614448
False

>>379648098
Doesn't mean that they're doing it consciously or that it's what they want.

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>>379650738
That's from novels.
Memory Cage and Memory Thorn are instrumental in understanding 2B's backstory.
>Every memory she had of 9S brought great pain to her. So much that her own personality data is in tatters.

>>379633434
I thought the -actual- androids created YoRHa to boost morale for them, to keep the lie of Humanity being alive going? Hence why they didn't use actual AI for YoRHa cause it'd be "inhumane".

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>>379612707
Zero has a worst life ever.

>>379649308
I think it's kind of meant to be ambiguous. Though you can get to the ending without finding all six pods.

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>>379651667
There's two 'Yorha' activities.

Originally 'Yorha' was just a designation for a new type of combat android with machine cores, the scientist who made them was working to solve a separate problem which was android morale collapsing cus humans died.

He came up with a plan to fake humans alive by signals from the moon and the new 13th bunker would 'manage' this communication somehow.

one of his prototype yorha androids called Number 9 found all this out and 'perfected' the plan by also making sure the 13th bunker sabotages by the backdoor to protect leaks so all thats left is the moon sending signals.

Number 9 called this 'project yorha'.

So you could say Yorha was originally just about making better combat androids but then the faggot Number 9 hijacked the term and said 'project Yorha' was about faking humans.