>unironically supporting stuttering, lower value, and high

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>>379609717
Because that is exactly what I am doing.
NOT supporting stuttering, lower value, and high temperatures

>>379609826
Fpbp

>>379609717
not worth it for the price in my country (yet I suppose)

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>>379609826
I can spot the intel shill.

>>379609717
>buying an expensive new cpu and super expensive ram for worse performance

lmaoing at amd cucks

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>>379610173

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>>379609826
>>379610173
>amd
>more expensive than intel

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>>379610173
>>379609826

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>>379610173
>>379609826

Who are the shills here?

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>>379609717
I did

>mfw 60 FPS in GTA 5 on maxed settings, at 50% CPU usage

Because I paid good money for Haslel a few years ago and it's still doing a good job at the things I need it to perform in, I'll wait until Zen+ at the very least.

Because my 4690k is fine and I don't want to buy a new motherboard?

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>it's a /v/ pretends to be /g/ episode

>>379611015
>implying half the /g/entoomen on /g/ aren't also /v/irgins

>>379611015
Modern /g/ is mostly /v/ anyway, except with the occasional GNU/freedom advocate and somehow even more stupid fanboy trolling.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT8zTv8OZ_E

No shilling please and give me a serious unbiased comparison between the two latest AMD and Intel CPUs

What are the pros and cons of both?
Is AMD really breaking into the market?

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>>379611232
>when intel shills imply AMDers are pajeets
>mfw intel's marketing is directed at pajeets

>>379609826
intel so assblasted they've resorted to "I know you are but what am I" arguments

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because cpu performance requirements have plateaued and it seems this fucker's gonna last me another 5 years

>>379611340
amd is btfoing intel because intel have been all about 4 cores for the past ten years

Intel's latest processors have lower minimum framerates and more stuttering ingame. They also cost more.

i9 is a direct response to threadripper and it's a shitstorm. even linus of linus tech tips criticizes the i9 when intel pays him

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>"pajeets b-b-btfo...."

>>379611340
"back" into the market, you mean. had intel not screwed them over with deals to major manufacturers, amd may have stayed in their glorious athlon 64 days

kabylake-x is a fucking joke, as is the x299 platform. the entire thing was a kneejerk reaction to the new ryzen threadripper chips. actual kabylakes aren't bad at all, but generally you can get a ryzen for cheaper that performs about the same

issue is with ryzen is that if you want to get the best performance, you'll need the fastest ddr4 ram that it supports that you can get your hands on. this isn't an issue with kabylake

ryzen also performs a little better under workstation environments (data compression, video encoding, etc) than it does in gaming

if you have anything newer than an i7 3770k, though, there's no point in an upgrade towards either company

if not, i'd suggest the r7 1700 or r7 1700x

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>tfw my $345 destroyed all Ryzen cpus including the $500 one
Feels good desu

>>379611724
DELID THIS POST NOW

>>379611340
There's literally no reason to NOT get a AMD at this point. Intel has gone pants on head retarded with their pricing and are offering almost no difference in performance now.

>>379611724
>Cinebench
>No Ryzen CPU beats an i7 7700k in single core/ videogame performance

What a waste of a post anon

I'm in a situation where I won't be able to buy a graphics card for a few months but at the same time I want to emulate PS2 games. Give me one reason why I should get a Ryzen when it doesn't have any integrated graphics solution at all.

>>379611453
embarrassing

>>379612502
they're not made for hobos without GPUs

>>379611967
>things that happened

>>379612502
because the $50+ you save by going with ryzen can be spent on whatever shitty video card you want. buy something used off craigslist or even ebay

also an rx 460/550 is like $80 NEW at most

>>379609717
Basically bankrupt rn. First thing I'll upgrade to in a year or two. Zen 2 and Navi will be a fucking blast, the monitors to drive such horsepower will be more expensive than the build

>>379612502
Where is your old graphics card? Just use that

>implying i'm going to lock myself to AM4 after the mess that AM2 and AM3 where

>>379612925
better than buying a new socket every 1.5 years

>>379612502
what >>379612906 said
even like a GTX 460 can emulate PS2 games. it's not very GPU heavy, more CPU heavy

>>379612973
(you)

>>379613028
>even like a GTX 460 can emulate PS2 games. it's not very GPU heavy, more CPU heavy
What about Dolphin? I assume it's the same? Would like to play these games at 1080p instead of native res t b h

>>379609826
>lower temps
>i9 not soldered
>7700k literally has to be delidded to oc

k

>>379609717
For several reasons, for starters I don't see any reason to upgrade from haswell 4790 anytime soon and would rather spend that money towards Vega if it is any good.
Second reason is that I run win10 in a VM and pass a GPU to it because I prefer to use linux as my host OS without dual booting.
There have been some issues with performing GPU passthrough on ryzen motherboards leading to low GPU performance and stuttering, an issue which should gradually be resolved as new bios updates are introduced. For now my current intel setup works flawlessly for GPU passthrough.
Rather wait until 8 cores becomes necessary, pinning 4+ cores to a VM to reduce context switching does sound alluring though, maybe when Zen+ comes along with better IPC and AM4 has sorted vfio related issues.

You don't even need 60 fps because the human eye can only perceive 30 fps. Why do you think movies are filmed at 24 fps?

Don't need to upgrade from my i5 2500k ever because of this. Fuck off AMD pajeet faggots.

>>379612502
Buy a PS2, it'll run the games better and cost you less than Ryzen

>>379609717
>Unironically

Theres that word again, why do you autists like saying it so much?

>>379613165
basically the same with dolphin, yes
obviously newer is better

>>379613276
>he's posted it for a third time now

>>379613360
delete this pajeet

>>379613446
jokes on you i'm an intel+nvidia owner

Waiting for high end mATX boards and Vega.

My 2500k is a bottleneck, but it's not a big bottleneck until I upgrade to a high end GPU.

>>379611015
this isnt /v/ though , this is some pajeet who gets paid 15 dollars a week to make threads like this one

>>379610768
>gta5 max 144fps
>10% cpu use
git gud noob

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>>379611015
>I am a console pleb and don't know what this thing is

>>379609826
>not supporting lower value
O Y
V E Y

>>379613897
Is this the power of the PS4 Pro(tm)?

>>379609717
I don't really need a new one since I have an Core i5
My next CPU will be AMD though

>>379612758
Show me a benchmark where the most expensive Ryzen cpu beats the i7 7700k in vidya. I'll wait

>>379613931
more like i'm sick of intel vs amd threads leaking into another board

fuck off retard

>>379614098

In those benchmarks you'll see that intel has lower minimums.

Would you rather have 160 frames on intel with 54 minimum framerate or 150 frames on a ryzen 7 with 60 minimum framerate???

>>379613931
you probably don't even own a videocard

how good is ryzen when it comes to streaming on twitch

>>379614316
it ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GXSV-Pquo

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Why should I even update if I got this

>>379614249
I'd rather have the cpu that the best fps against the competition

Hmm i'm not sure OP because those cpu doesn't support Windows 7 while my eroges only works on Windows 7

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>>379614241
>I am a cry baby
>>379614312
get bent kiddo

>>379614817
didn't think so

>>379614780
>Not having two systems
I bet you also steal your neighbours wifi

>>379614580
4 threads is nearing the end of its life. Check the cpu usage while playing any modern game and I guarantee it's over 80%.

>>379610232
Damn intelcucks have nice taste in revolvers

>>379614651
I used to think that as well until I became aware of minimum framerates. Stutter should be the #1 enemy of games

>>379611738
I have an i5 2300 from 2011. Is it worth upgrading if it means buying a new everything minus GPU and case?

I'm considering it but since I won't be upgrading till the end of the year or early next year, I haven't done my reading on Ryzen yet. I'll get around to it.

>>379615080
If you're upgrading to at minimum Ryzen 1700, then yes. Maybe Ryzen 1600/1600X if you're really stretching it. Otherwise not really.

I doubt there is a large selection of games you're unable to play because your CPU is a little on the weedy side as far as modern hardware goes.

>>379614976
The problem is most new games are currently shit.
I'll consider upgrading once there are several games I want to play, or if 144hz becomes affordable eventually.
Not before that.

>>379614976
How much longer will a core i5 6600K last me? I have it OC'ed to 4.3ghz and I'm not looking to get a new motherboard since I just upgraded last year

>>379615080
this guy >>379615371 beat me to it

>>379615628
Shills here have been saying that more than 4 cores will soon be essential but we have failed to see any major advancements in multithread applications.

>>379615628
a good long while. at L E A S T 3 years

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>>379609717

>gloat about being cheaper, cooler, faster in closed tests etc.
>6 months later after purchase throw a fit on steam forums for whatever current game just came out because of crashing/graphical/framerate issues claiming how unoptimized they are and that it's definitely not your GPU or because AMD has shit all support and drivers

AMDfags in a nutshell. Every time.

>>379611453
>he thinks his 2500k isn't mediocre by now

>>379615767
4c/4t cpus are already getting maxed out.

>>379609717
I already bought Ryzen 5 1600 few days ago. It's a very good product. My first AMD cpu, was using only intel before.

>>379615628
A bloody overclocked FX 6300 will last until the end of this generation of longer, thanks to potato CPUs in the consoles.

I have an FX 8370, should i upgrade or is it enough for a couple more years?

>>379616172
>>379616275
bahaha
no

>>379616150
Show me proof of a game maxing the cpu fucking shill

>>379616275
>>379616172
remember that a 3770k was quite a bit more powerful than either of those processors at launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbGT-u4i3EY&t=878s

>>379616275
The only reason to wait is if you are waiting for price drops. Any r5 or r7 would be a noticeable upgrade.

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But I already have
Thing is fantastic

>>379616658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCU3fAqM6kw
2 seconds of googling you lazy fuck.

What is this about Ryzen and needing fast RAM?

>>379611340
Get intel if your CPU budget is 60$ (the G4560 is pretty nice for the price)
Get AMD above that
Ryzen 1600 is currently the best value you can get

>>379611453
Gets outperformed by Piledriver now, thanks to multi core optimization (FX8350 is on par with the i7 2600k in most games now)
Not that it matters too much, the 2500k still plays games just fine

>>379615767
>>379615796
>>379616172

OK thanks guys. Guess I will just wait until these new higher core units get cheaper and/or something breaks with my current motherboard.

>>379612334
Try playing any modern game on a single core

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>>379614098

>>379616956
>Personnaly, my processor is an i5 6300 HQ which is high-end 6-gen 4 cores Intel processor in my laptop
Kill yourself. Holy shit you are retarded, kid.
>Laptop
>Shitty I3
>He even mentions it is an issue with the game itself

>>379616059
How much of an fps boost do you even think he'd get from upgrading to something like an R 1600? Would it be worth mobo+cpu+ram price?

>>379617479
Really depends on the game
In more demanding games, the difference will be big
Just upgrade when you feel like your CPU isn't up to the task anymore

>>379617276
>i7 has 4 cores
>7700k beats every other CPU in game benchmarks

>le trie using 1 core 4 gaems meme
kys

>>379617425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDosjSBjjA
Here is a i5 6500 bottlenecking a gtx1060.

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>tfw your ass-old i5 2500k is still going strong
I can OC it to 4.5 GHz when I need to and it'll run anything. Too bad Intel will never produce such quality hardware ever again so the next CPU will most likely be AMD.

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Oh but I have.

>>379617659
Thats a locked cpu stuck at 3.2hz so no surprises there.

How does 1700 compare to 7700k when it comes to single core performance? I wouldn't mind going AMD again, Phenom II did me well on my last PC.

>>379617370
Holy crap the i7 is doing bad there.

>>379609717
There's no reason to upgrade from my 4690k yet, might as well wait for Ryzen 2 and whatever Intel's response is in the coming years.

>>379617659
His ram seems to be the problem, he has shitty 2100 ram.
Also of course you can't run ultra with that mediocre set up he has.He probably turned on MSAA.

>>379618008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
Just give it up kid.

>>379609826
This tbqfwyn

>>379618106
Even worse with a bunch of stuff open in the background

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>>379616631
This is 8320e. Resolution is 720p. Considering 1440p and 4K are all the rage now, CPU speed is basically irrelevant. And this is still DX11. Game developers won't be adding more shit to the levels as console CPUs are already maxed out. There is literally no reason for games to become more CPU intensive for 2-3 years until the new generation of consoles will arrive. There are stupid exceptions like Fallout 4, but it's not like it runs well anywhere anyway.

>>379618185

You do realise officially ryzen supports faster ram than any intel chip currently right? Anything over 2400mhz DDR4 for intel and 2666mhz for ryzen is overclocking and that voids your warranty.

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>>379617997
That's too much power for a single man.

>>379618086
Intel still blows AMD out on single core performance but they are catching up

windows 10

as soon as i can use ryzen on 7 reliably in all in for a R5 1600X build

>>379618427
Catching doesn't do much good for me now. Oh well, guess there's always next time.

>>379618523

but you can anon

>>379618523
install gentoo

>>379618086
IPC is about the same, but the clockspeed is quite a bit lower
Not that it matters much
Multi-threaded optimization has improved a lot

>>379609717

processors are the least important thing to upgrade anymore, my fucking i3-2120 from a billion years ago still does a fine job and i doubt i'd even notice the difference between it and the best processor i could buy for my mobo

>>379618983
I'm on the i3 2120 too and it's shit. Huge fucking bottleneck. You're straight up lying.

>>379618201
>$250 12-thread 6-core on par with a $220 4 core in a game that benefits majorly from additional threads

Now that's sad.

>>379618841
Yeah, but I still play older RTS games. So, it matters quite a bit for me.

>>379611453

they've plateaued until some new innovation in gaming suddenly requires massive amounts of processor power

at this point it's all about epeen size at who has a better looking spreadsheet of numbers

>>379619065
They are not even close to on par, Intel frame times are all over the place.

>>379619065
It actually a $220 cpu that can be overclocked vs a $220 cpu that can't be overclocked.

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>>379618364

Bet a 7700k can't do this.

>>379609826
you are doing the opposite mate

>>379619059

i don't give a shit about numbers or bottlenecks thats all gibberish created by the same people who shell out thousands of dollars on their systems

all i care about is my system running games without inducing rage and the answer is yes

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>>379618201
Fucking shitel
>>379619441
pic

>>379609717
Cause there's nothing wrong with my i5 4440 and if there is I can always find a Devils Canyon I5 to replace it. Haswell isn't done just because intel has new shit out already. Though, I do want to ask: Does Ryzen work well with Windows 7?

>>379611453
but you're getting outperformed by now. It may have been true for <2015 but it's 2017 now .

I have an I5 4570 and I'm feeling the bottleneck really hard in BF1 with my 1070

>>379619593
>all i care about is my system running games without inducing rage

40 fps playing Day of Infamy/Insurgency is rage inducing anon. I have a 1050 gtx and that should do the job for these games but the CPU just isn't good enough.

>>379619806
Do you get good experience during gameplay? What is the bloody difference if you're CPU or GPU bottlenecked?

>>379619983

eh i guess i have much lower standards, 40 fps is pretty much fine for me since i've never bought anything above mid tier

>>379620157
If it is bottlenecked it can stutter which is fucking bullshit in online matches. You can lag/stutter more than your opponent and get fucked easily when a single miliseconds take you from victory to defeat.

>>379619441
can't do what? operating without bursting into flames? you're damn right.

>>379620278
once u go 60 fps you cant go back

not even to 50

>>379620157
I would rather be GPU bottlenecked than CPU bottlenecked, because I don't have to buy a whole new motherboard + potentially new ram (in my case).

It's also very frustrating seeing guys that have +90 FPS and me sitting at 60-70 with dips into 40 FPS when I could do much better

>>379620437
>only 60

lmao

>>379611015
Let's pretend to be /g/

>BOTNET BOTNET
>AMD GOOD AMD GOOD BUY ONLY AMD
>JEW INTEL JEW INTEL
>CINEBENCH™
>I DON'T GAME ONLY

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>>379620316

You have it wrong, kabylake is a nuclear inferno.

>>379620450
>>379620157

Due to how computers work you ALWAYS want your gpu to be the limitng factor, not cpu.

>>379620586
You think I'm gonna spoil myself with 144 frames? Then everything sub 144 will look like shit and I'll never want to play any game in which I cannot get 144 fps. I'm not dropping 800 bucks on a 1080 gtx ti

is the ryzen 1400 good?

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Here is a question for overclock faggots
If I am on the pc all day every day (16 hours average) is it still sane to overclock? I don't want to kill my systems early just for trying to get a bit more bang for my buck.

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>>379619681

As i'm bored I ran another test. Currently at 3.8ghz as i'm stress testing some memory settings and cpu at 3.9ghz isn't stable.

>>379620928
If you are worried then just leave the voltage alone and see what you can get at stock.

>>379620616
Where is core i9?

>>379620594
>Playing video games
Go back to /v/, you fucking child. Now check out my animu desktop.

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>>379619441
>>379620983
>443 seconds
>stability test

Yep, I'm on /v/

Kid please, go learn how to properly test system stability before you will be posting abything.

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>>379621095

>>379609717
Planning on upgrading from an i5-2500k to a Ryzen 5 1600.
Just trying to make some extra cash before I upgrade my whole system though.

>>379621226

how about my watch collection anon ITS TECHNOLOGY TOO

>>379620313
>console shooter
>online game
>milliseconds matter

Anyway, it sounds more like OS with tons of bloatware processes desu.

>>379621268

Running a test to screencap for /v/ =/= a proper stress test. That particular ryzen system ran prime95 for about 11hrs and nothing failed nor throttled.

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>>379620616
>THIS WAN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN! INTEL IS KING!

>>379621321
If miliseconds don't matter then why is /v/ full of 144hz shill?
>BUT A FRAME THAT RUNS FOR 8.7 MS IN YOUR SCREEN MATTERS

>>379621302
Nothing wrong with watch threads.

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>>379621321
I guess time is ripe to turn this into an OS bashing thread

>>379621639
With how watch threads goes, they are more appropriate in /toy or /fa/.

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>>379609717
>Intel
>Somehow stuttering and high temp
What kind of crack cocaine are on you on nigger?

Had my overclocked 4770K at 4.5Ghz for years with top tier performance.

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>want to upgrade my outdated pc 3 months ago
>realize i only play older games and all new games are trash
Saved me some money senpai.

>>379621773
He's talking about Kaby Lake

>>379621489
Well you can't deny that Amd failed to step over jewtel for years.

>>379621827
Literally this
This is why I don't upgrade. Give me real games not this battlefield and cawadooty shit then we talk.

>>379617479
>>379619806
I was getting totally random FPS in BF1 on my 2500k at 4.5ghz, it never went above 50 but it could go as low as 25 no matter the settings, it was weird. On R5 1600 I get 80 FPS on all Ultra settings.

>>379621542
It's about presentation vs game mechanics. BF1 is balanced around pic related contraption, it does not require and does not benefit that much from split second reaction times. And there is network latency when the server acknowledges your button presses with a 30 ms lag. 144hz may look prettier, but ultimately cannot affect your game performance in measurable way.

>>379622345
What card mate?

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>>379609826
>seriously thinking intel has the lower temperatures this time around
Anon...

>>379621773
>>379621875
Stuttering thing is a bit of a meme but high temps certainly happen, Intel's stock coolers are trash.

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>>379622478
>pic related

>>379622478
So you are accepting that 144hz is only the literal jews forcing shit for more money, ok thanks.

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>>379609717
rocking an r5 1600 overclocked to 3.6ghz on stock cooler

>>379622309
>7800X
>based clock speed goes down from 7700k 4.2Ghz to 3.5Ghz
>TDP up from 91W to 140W

What the fuck is Intel thinking?

Best CPU cooler that isn't a 212 EVO? Would need to either come with an AM4 mount or have one on the website. Don't want to bother with the 212 EVO.

>>379622491
Asus 970

> buy new system with an ryzen 1800
> it dies like 1 month later
thank god for warranty

I like it so far but for gaming you'd get better options

>>379622604
It's easier to make a list of things that are not
>literal jews forcing shit for more money

>>379622738

Two extra cores.

>>379623072
>it dies like 1 month later
how?

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who /1700/ here?

>>379624667
1600 :^)

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pc fags

>>379623646
> want to shut down
> accidentally hit restart
> just as the system turns itself off to reboot I hard press the power button and force it to shut down
> next morning it doesn't start
> CPU and RAM LEDs on the motherboard light up

not entirely sure if it was the cpu/mb or ram but my my money is on the ram
the cpu got replaced and the ram will be replaced as well

show proof of running emulators anything but like shit

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>>379625257
poorfags

>>379625369
>but my money is on the CPU *

>>379620928
Just leave voltage at stock (or even slightly reduce it) and see what speeds are possible

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>>379625381
I'm emulating Jak on PCSX2 on my R5 1600, it works fine aside from the eye bug. Haven't even overclocked it yet because my cooler hasn't arrived.

>>379625779
you CLEARLY ceptured it fram,e by frame and modified it to look like its at full speed dont lie to me shill you will NEVER make me go back to the abusive assholes at AMD especially seeing as their most powerfull GPU is equal to nvidia's mid range 1060

>tfw still running a shit tier FX-4350 because they didn't have the 8350 that time I built my PC

It just werks

>>379625381
Burnout 3 runs well on my setup
>>379614580
It has some slowdowns, but all the settings are set at precision, drops to 50 fps at times, but otherwise works just fine.

>>379616658
Literally any AAA game released in the last 2 years

>>379625779
Have you tried MGS3? I want to see how that emulates with the true 60fps patch which shits on even i7s.

I just switched to intel after suffering amds cpu being so awful for emulation

>>379609717
I want the best gaming experience, so the Ryzen doesn't really do anything for me.

>>379626335
It does
Much better frametimes than the 4 core intel (smoother)

Who the fuck uses an i9 or that amd shit?
I mean those might be great if you want to run a server.
Otherwise I fail to see what those processors are good for, they aren't for the average power user despite them marketing them as such.

>>379626604
Not in 99% of games. At all. No tests or benchmarks support this outside of very special cases.

>>379614249
>In those benchmarks you'll see that intel has lower minimums.
Not really, post at least 3 benchmarks where 7700k is getting lower mininums across the board than 1700

>>379626335
>literal pages of evidence showing that the Ryzen chips, with the new BIOS updates and ability to use high end ram beats Intel at every turn
>fags keep spouting the same old shit from the day 1 reviews, defending their decrepit architecture that uses toothpaste as TIM.

>>379626714
An average user is content with their iPad or a big-ass smartphone and a Celeron office desktop.

why would anyone buy intel when you need to pay premium just to have overclocking unlocked both on cpu and motherboard?

why would anyone buy intel when you can buy a ryzen 1600

>>379622742
Since you think 212 EVO is good, I assume you want the best cooler in price-performance category and not actually the best perfomance cooler. Look up the Cryorig H5 and its derivatives

>>379627070
>average POWER user
Retard

>>379610673
Anyone from /g/ so pretty much the whole thread

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>>379627035
>>literal pages of evidence showing that the Ryzen chips, with the new BIOS updates and ability to use high end ram beats Intel at every turn
Post them, preferably from different sources, but I'm okay with anything

>>379625779
That eye glitch is pretty funny, Is there really no way to fix that with settings?

>>379627364
We don't need to spoon feed you fanboy, just go waltz into /g/'s /pcbg/ thread (and archives).
They've been testing this for months now, lots of evidence piled up there.

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>>379628247
So you're not going to post a single source?

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My sister once mentioned that the default fans for the gtx 1060 are crap, which fans do you recommend to replace the stock?

>>379623534
Why do I have to lose clock speed every time there's increase in cores?

>>379628576
>synthetic benchmarks

Come on now

>tfw fell for the i7 is bad meme
>got i5 4790k

should have got a i7 4790

>>379628745
More speed requires more heat and better tech. Better tech means more expensive and more heat means they have to be careful to not let the processor melt at tested speeds. They market their shit for the widest market range, so you get fucked.
They could offer the best of the best but that would be out of any sane person budget.

>>379629013
Buy a ryzen 1600

>>379629057
>He fell for the i5 meme
>You want him to fall for the 1600 meme
Kys
If he upgrades he should get a ryzen 1800x.

>>379611724
next time I'm playing cinebench I'll check my fps.

>>379629013
>i5 4790k
>bad

Anon, don't buy into the hype.

>>379629189
What's wrong with the 1600?

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I bout an Intel CPU three months or so before they were announced. If I had known about Ryzen at the time, I would have waited.

>>379629274
He clearly wants a high end processor, so he shouldn't get a 1600 which is high-mid tier.

>>379627839
Nope, it's a PCSX2 bug

>>379629487
I could have looked that up myself if the WIKI WASN'T DOWN

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I just upgraded from an 8350 to an i7-7700k

>>379620928
There's features on your mobo that lowers the voltage when your pc is idle, just don't have a static voltage

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>>379629757

>>379629757
why?

>>379629672
>tfw it's been down for like a month now

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>>379629757
>Not getting a ryzen 1800x

>>379629757
you fucked up

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>pc fagss

>>379629896
3D mark, pretty much. I don't really play games anymore.

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>>379630973

>>379630381
why come?

>>379609717
>>379609826
rekt

>>379631218
u buttblasted

Jesus christ this thread
>Hey, show me some recent benchmarks where Ryzen actually performs better than 7700k on average
>LOOK AT THESE SYNTHETICS
>LOOK AT THESE STRESS TESTS
>LOOK AT THIS BENCHMARK OF BF1 MADE BY SOME NOBODY, HOLY SHIT, YOU ONLY PLAY BF1, RIGHT????
>LOOK AT THOSE TEMPS, FUCKING 77 CELSIUS UNDER 100% OC STRESS TEST LOAD? HOLY SHIT THAT'S ALMOST NEAR THE THERMAL THROTTLE LIMIT (not)
>4 CORELETS ARE FINISHED THAT'S WHAT REDDIT TOLD ME. LOOK HOW EVERY CORE IS MAXED OUT IN THIS BENCHMARK. THIS MEANS MY 60% CORE USAGE ON BULLDOZER BEATS 7700K IN GTA (don't look at fps though, that's irrelevant)
>JUST LOOK AT THE FPS MINIMALS, 1700 WINS IN EVERY BENCHMARK
>that's what I did and Ryzen still loses, where are those benchmarks
>FUCK YOU SHILL

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>>379631659
>Implying I can't afford a console and pc
Go away poorfag

>>379631679
intel paying u a lot pajeet

>>379609717
Because I'm upgrading my GPU once vega releases (not inevetably to a vega) and wait with the CPU upgrade another 1-2 years.
You know, like everyone should that doesn't really upgrade from a complete toaster.

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>>379616915
feels great

>>379628745

The simplest answer? Binning. Since intel builds monolithic dies every core has to hit a given mhz for the chip to be sold at thos clocks and understanably its far easier to build a 10 core chip ensuring 2ghz clocks on a process aimed at 4ghz+ than a 10 core chip clocked at 4.2ghz. In addition to that heat is a serious issue on such small packages (an issue ryzen avoids due to its MCM nature).

There is a reason why the absolute cream of the Intel crop - those 24 core xeons - run in the 2ghz range.

>>379609717
Isn't it good for stuff like rendering, but not gaming? Or did they fix that?

>>379632532
both

stop giving intel money. after all they ruined amd's competitive edge for 10 years due to corporate espionage and dirty tricks

>>379632532
It's fine for gaming. You might get like 20 frames less than Intel on a bad day tho. If you're playing at 720p at low graphics.

>>379632689
>LE NARRATIVE
except AMD has won all contract bids for all next gen consoles and is way more profitable than intel
your cuck ass is like a triggered SJW needing a victim complex to justify choices , nah youre just a nigger

>>379609717
>unironically making up shit about the competing brand because you're a corporate cocksucker
Do your parents a favor and kill yourself.

>>379633102

They are also providing the gpu for the next iMac pro.

>>379610232
That's the wrong hand there, garbage boy.

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>>379609826
FPBP, AMDfags got btfo hard

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>>379610497
>>379614014
LOL unironically buying worse performing products just because amd made them

>>379633639
It's almost as if "MOAR COREZ" doesn't actually translate to the real world.

>>379633856
Please post that amd mocking picture again

>>379633639
>i7 7700 at 95% CPU load
>AMD 60%

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>>379633856

Sure doesn't.

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>tfw I'm not a corelet anymore

>>379633856
AMD only wins in non gaming scenarios or synthetic benchmarks that actually use all cores. Ryzen is a hell of a workstation CPU but it suffers from the same problems AMD always has in games.

>>379634171
Amd is fucking retarded to market to the gamer consumer.
They should only market their shit to stupid office workers.

>>379634171

none of those are real world performance you moron

nobody cares how fast your shitty AMD processor can open word files

>>379634476
They don't give a shit about the gaming consumers, that's why they are working towards more enterprises and data centers first
Also Apple got first dibs on the Vega bins

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>>379634410
two less cores but same feel

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/d92TWZ

I'm trying to build my first gaming PC but I don't know what the hell I'm doing, please help me finish this list!

Pls, help... do I get a 144hz monitor?

>>379634171
lol 7-zip.

How many 7zips are you getting in GTA V?

>>379634740
>Don't give a shit about gaming
Did you even watch their release of Ryzen? they want both markets. They are just scamming gamers of their cash because Amd isn't designed for games, but the president doesn't say "we are aiming only for the enterprise sector".

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>>379630087
>Not getting the 1700 and OC for the same performance
300$
THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS, that's just insane value right there

>>379634915
Why the extra fan, kid?

>>379634915
It's all good but you need a AM4 motherboard, get the AB350 Gaming-3

and make sure your cooler has an AM4 mounting bracket

>>379635016
>overclocking
the 1600 is better value

>>379634998
Well it would be a stupid PR move to say something like that, but why should they care about gaymer fags though? They fucking bought housefire Fermi instead.

>>379635016
They're not guaranteed to get 4.0 ghz though

>>379609717
Cause waiting for jewripper and MUH 64 PCIE LANEZZZZZZZ get at me nigguh

>>379635203
If you want end game, you don't care about "better value".

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>>379635587
T H I C C

>>379635140
>>379635180
I will just take off the extra fan. Thanks for the tip.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2pnG3C/gigabyte-ga-ab350-gaming-3-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350-gaming-3

this?

>>379635651
>>379635587
>Waiting for shit that is only useful for servers
Kill yourselves unless you are being ironic

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>>379635651
Did someone say thicc?

>>379609717
>experimental
>decent for gaming, great for everything else (not my priorities)
>fed up with AMD (waiting 5ever for drivers and fixing issues with games)

>>379635742
yes

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>>379609717
Because AMD fucked my out of my free game when I bought a 7970. I'll never buy another piece of AMD hardware again, which to be honest is pretty easy because their cpus are shit and their gpus aren't even cheaper than nvidia's in Europe.

>>379635881
No pity for fucking frogposters

>>379635854
Can you help me finish the rest, pls

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

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>>379635797
Idiot, im behind over9000 pcie nvme drives at read/write speeds of over 2 gigs a second and doing at least 2way crossfire on the reg with vegas GET AT ME NIGG-KUN

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>>379635968

>>379636053
Like I said it's all good, just do some googling for an AM4 cooler because I don't know any that are definitely AM4 compatible yet. I bought a 360mm AIO water cooler from Amazon that said it had an AM4 bracket, it arrived and had no bracket. And because I'm in Europe there's no way to buy it here so I have to return it.

>>379636053
If you got a controller and keyboard and mouse that's all you need.
>>379636417
Why would he need a cooler? if he is new I don't think he will touch overclocking on a non x ryzen. The default cooler is ok.

Ryzen basically smokes the i5 right out of its best value spot and doesn't beat most of the i7+ offerings.

...that's fine. That's like a colossal improvement over faildozer. We went from no use-cases for an AMD CPU to there actually being use cases. That's not bad.

>>379636545
Stock coolers suck ass. The Wraith Spire is decent at cooling but because it's so small it's fucking loud as shit. I'm forced to use it right now and it's about 3 times as loud as the other fans on my PC. I would never recommend a stock cooler unless you're on a tight budget, and even then a 212 Evo is only $30 and is much quieter and better at cooling.

>>379635843
>streaming from the kitchen

>>379636963
Well I didn't knew that stock Amd coolers sucked, my default coolers on my 4440 processor and 1060 are fine. Barely audible even at maximum speed.
I am in beaner country though and here the heat never goes over 94°F/34°C

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Did anyone win silicon lottery?
I don't think I did, got mine stable at 1.25v at 3.6
3.7 would cause it to crash after 1-2 hours of usage

>>379637412

>Well I didn't knew that stock Amd coolers sucked

All of the wraith coolers are the best stock coolers around. The wraith max (which seemingly only came on the old fx chips) is roughly on par with a hyper evo 212.

>>379637458

Assuming that voltage is being read correctly 3.6 at 1.25v is golden sample territory. Go run IBT or prime95 and see if it holds stable for 8hrs before you declare it stable at those voltages.

How do I build myself a computer /v/?

>>379637662
You/He said it makes a lot of noise you fucking retard.

>>379637412
The AMD stocker coolers are actually much better than the Intel stock cooler. The main difference between them is that the AMD cooler is actually decent at cooling, the Intel cooler is a piece of shit. Both are loud as shit because of the tiny fans, but you don't realize how loud and whiny they are until you get an aftermarket cooler with decent sized fans. Small fans are always louder because they have to spin much faster to achieve the same cooling as bigger fans.

>>379637964
What's your budget? do you prefer intel or amd?

>>379638195
Well I don't know how to measure sound but usually they don't annoy me because the sound of games makes them inaudible when the fans go max speed on the processor and gpu.

>>379609717
Because my Xeon is doing just fine.
I would consider getting a AMD CPU if I had to make a new build though.

>>379637976

Other anon is wrong.

>>379614014
>>379610401
Lower value as in quality or value of the product, not its pricing or MSRP you dweebs lmao

>>379609717
Because I bought an I54690k years ago and it still holds up great, plus I gaym at 144hz. Maybe in a few years, if developers start utilizing more cores, but the way things are going I doubt that will be the case. Developers just don't have the time and money to do big PC optimizations with their shitty deadlines and budget. It gets worse and worse as the years go on.

>>379609717
Ryzen is dogshit for gaming.

I am using 3570k and AMD 7870, going to upgrade to Coffee Lake and Volta when they are both out, fuck AMD, I am never buying another AMD product ever again.

>>379640363
Yes, goyim. Buy Intel

>>379640443
Yes goyim buy our processors for offices and get raped

>>379620594
>>BOTNET BOTNET
Most of the time true.
>AMD
Ryzen makes sense now, still shit tho.
>Jew intel
True but they make good stuff.
>Implying

>>379637964
With your hands

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>>379640521
>Yes goyim buy our processors for offices

>mfw this is what inteldrones ACTUALLY think of AMD

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>>379640521
>buy our processors for offices
kek

>>379631520
You didnt, he is just baiting for the sake of shitposting.
AMD Bulldozer was really lame.
Ryzen is worth it now but still lacks something to be a good option that isnt more cores.

>>379640731
see
>>379634171

>>379640818
see
>>379640870

I buy my cpus for gaming, why castrate my build by adding a amd cpu?

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>>379611724
>posting cinebench on /v/
lmaoing at your life

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>>379640870
>>379640963
You sure showed them

>>379640980
>he thinks intel cpus are good for gaming

Oy vey, shalom friend

>>379640963
>>379640870
Yes, Ryzen fucking owns. I am aware of this.

>>379640363
>Coffee Lake
>Overpriced 6 core CPU with higher TDP

>>379640980
because intel has lower minimum framerates when it comes to games

intel CPUs are a stuttering mess

>>379614249
>Show me a benchmark
>Proceeds to tell a fake story

>>379640980
lol look at this echo chamber sheeple

Windows 10, and having to reformat my SDD and HDD full of installed programs. Otherwise I'd upgrade in a heartbeat.

>>379641224
Only a problem with G4560 since people keep insisting its a good CPU.

>>379641158
>>379641070
Only on office tasks, fucking retards.

>>379641321
You can use W7 with Kaby lake and Ryzen.
You just need to add USB 3.0 drivers to the installer with MSI Smart tools.

>>379641408
No, it's pretty good at gaming as well. And streaming.

>>379641367
>intel so btfo they can only rely on their low end platform now
Wait till R3 comes out

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>>379641408
>modern games are office tasks

>>379641601
Doubt R3s will replace Intel low end.
APUs sure will do it tho.

>>379609717
I will wait a bit more until they release Ryzen 2000 series cpus. I'm still using Phenom II x4 970 btw.

>>379641468
Windows 7 supports the new motherboards, too?

>>379641203
>Coffee Lake
>not being 8 core with standard 4.2ghz 4.6 turbo boost
You are in for a surprise, Coffee Lake + Volta will be god tier combo that domintes 4K 144hz.

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>>379641408
>being THIS much of a drone

>>379641636
I linked to office tasks where ryzen beats the hell out of intel. Retard.
>>379641595
It was p
osted how it fails at streaming DOTA, stupid amd shill.
>>379633639

>>379641768
Ryzen? yes, chipset drivers are out.
Kaby lake? no, there are no Chipset drivers as far as i know.

>>379641829
I am not a drone, I hate both brands equally.
Stupid jews.

>>379641768
Note that not supported != incompatible.

>>379641876
Really? AMD did a side-by-side streaming comparison at Computex with the 7600k and the 1600 in Dota 2 and the i5 was dropping frames like crazy.

>>379641224
Proof?

>>379641768
It's time to join the botnet (windows 10) already anon, you can't win against them

>>379609717
because my 7700k annihilates anything AMD will ever offer, and it sits at 50 celcius under load.

Where's a good place to start reading up on computer parts? Or a site that contains all the necessary information about specific computer parts? I did my own research and most of the information I came upon is too technical (for those unfamiliar with pc's anyways) or does not provide enough information about benchmarks, performance, etc.

Because I'm waiting for the 16 core, 900 dollar monster that will be unveiled in a few weeks.