>never played a metroidvania before >see game on stream

Definitely the best indie game of 2017 so far

Reminder that Hollow Knight (a 2D indie platformer) has a larger filesize than Dark Souls

>>379609292
I wonder why that is? Theyre both huge. And I'm sure 2d graphics still take less space than Dark Souls era graphics

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>>379608695
>Dark Souls level word building

it's this months IndieBox too

I don't have this game yet and am extremely tempted

any opinions on IndieBox? the team meat box was sick, disappointed I missed it

>>379609292
Sounds like Hollow Knigh has a terrible efficiency

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>>379609498
Have you even played it? It's very similar in tone and atmosphere

>>379609292
>>379609415
It's actually 3D, made in Unity, it has a ton of models, materials etc.

>>379610258
It does not have models - it's just triangulated billboards for 2d sprites.
The animation in HK is frame based - it's not your usual terrible skeleton based 2D animations - each frame for every enemy was drawn by hand.

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>>379610258
>>379610474

>>379610583
Yes, these are billboards.

>>379610702
>>379610583
How is that so much better than traditional parallax that it warrants the game being 20x larger on your disk?

>>379609498
Tell me if this sounds familiar
>traveling through remains of once great world
>glean details of the world from item descriptions and entries as well as characters
>find characters in the world that move about on their own quests and goals
>no handholding
>story is about the inevitable decay because of time

>>379610892
It's the same thing, the game being in 3d doesn't make it automatically take more disk space. They could have used textures of less resolution for sprites and it will made a smaller game size, but they used really big texture files so the image look fine and sharp.

>>379610474
>The animation in HK is frame based - it's not your usual terrible skeleton based 2D animations - each frame for every enemy was drawn by hand.
What other high resolution 2d games have frame by frame animation? Almost every high resolution 2d game has the skeleton type animation and it's just so ugly.

>>379608695
>>never played a metroidvania before

why should i trust your opinion about anything

>>379608695
Just got the phantom nail or whatever and I don't really feel like going back everywhere.

>>379611160
It's just platformerkun shilling his GOTY.

>>379611154
Duck Tales Remastered has frame by frame animation. I believe the new Shantae games too (same developer). Can't think of any other.

>>379611109
>>379611154

Every frame is drawn by hand and it's really high quality, however there are indeed some HUGE files. They are using atlases for almost everythiing and only recently started cutting up bigger files (datamined it every patch).

Some sprite atlases are 20MB+


>>379611167
Dream Nail? Why would you need to go back everywhere?

>>379611438
Atlases are good for performance. They use PlayMaker extension for enemy ai and other gameplay things, and I believe this thing generates a lot of garbage which leads to slight stuttering, so it's good that they at least optimized the graphics part of the game.
Though, my pc is really old (i3-2100, GTX550TI), it runs pretty good on my machine.

>>379611438
To find all the dream things?

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>>379611154
>>379611109
Original is 8192x8192 PNG, 29MB

>>379609498

It takes a lot of ideas from Souls, both in game design and audiovisually. Like world being littered with NPCs with their own adventures, which you can progress by finding them all around the world.

>>379610474

To be fair most animated creatures in the game have very easy movements, even boss monsters who have plenty of moves. So they weren't really all that challenging to draw. Then again theres a LOT of different creatures and monsters in the game so its understandable why they went with a simple style and relatively simple animations for the characters.

>>379611716
should have taken notes lmao

>>379611895
Holy shit, and I fear to use 2k textures in my game because it will need more gpu performance, lmao

>>never played a metroidvania before
Stopped reading right there, HK is good but please kill yourself

>>379610979
Myst? :^)
>You're not as clever as you think you are

>>379612409
HK is better than Aria Of Sorrow, and Aria Of Sorrow was my favorite metroidvania for years
I never own a GBA and played it on emulator in ~2008

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>>379611895
>>379612319

Some more - this is in its original file size, just JPG so it's not too big to upload.

>>379612553
Who?

>>379612586
I've also played AoS on an emulator and that game is great too, just shitting on the guy for not having played a Metroidvania before, he's either a kid or a newfag. I guess that's what you expect of /v/'s userbase now, though.

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>>379611895
>>379612601
Again, original file size just JPG

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>>379612807
>>379612601
>>379611895
>>379612319

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>>379612601
>tfw if players will datamine my game, they will only see things like picrelated

>>379612785
People can hate some genres at first, and then start to explore them. I never liked shmups before, played Zanac on NES and it was my only favorite shmup game, but now I played a lot of arcade-only shmups, CAVE games and I like this genre now. Don't be a gatekeeper, it's a bad attitude.

>>379612785
Is there a PC port for SotN or Super Metroid? If not then I'm not going to buy a console for just one game.

>>379611716
The only backtracking that's necessary is going through the deepnest again. Although if you want to get the true ending you do have to do a fair bit of hunting.

>>379613065
>People can hate some genres at first, and then start to explore them

It's almost as if people's taste changes with age

>>379613070
ever heard of emulators?

>>379613070
Emulation. PS1 SotN emulates really good, Super Metroid on SNES emulates perfectly.

>>379613065
That's still pretty concise all things considered. Or perhaps it's got to do with the fact that I do texturing myself, so this is nothing too crazy for me.

>>379613340
But can you guess what object is this only by a single albedo map?

>>379612761
Don't ever have kids, anon.

>>379613070
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>>379610113
>expecting /v/ to play games before shitposting
just how new are you

>>379612785
>get into metroidvania from Axiom Verge
>have an amazing time with HK
>Take /v/'s advice and play a 'classic' metroidvaina La-Mulana
>controls like broken shopping cart, 600x500 resolution, uninspired irritating music.
Why even bother.

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>tfw at the end of the game but don't want to finish it because I don't want it to be over

>>379613498
No, but when I/people datamine they usually get textures AND models so it's not hard to shoot them up together in Belnder or something.

By the looks of it it's something somewhat round and spiky but hard to say, perhaps a helmet of sorts or part of a vehicle, something with handles. But no, I am not a magician.

>>379613638
>uninspired irritating music.
You are a cunt.

>>379613638
La-Mulana is not a classic metroidvania, it is an indie game and it plays really differently. Your fault.

>>379613767
>By the looks of it it's something somewhat round and spiky but hard to say, perhaps a helmet of sorts
You're pretty good, I'll give you that

>>379613846
It legit gave me a headache and I needed to turn it off. I get that its suppose to be derivative of SNES music but it really does not fit the tone of exploring ruins at all.

>>379613889
Thanks. What kind of game are you working on?

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Reminder

>>379614118
I'm not gonna shill my game in development in the thread about other game, sorry. Especially that I love Hollow Knight, and I'd like to know more datamine things about it, this is a good thread

i surrender

>>379614171
>tfw you well and trully never be this retarded.

i refunded La-Mulana.

>>379613638
It just plays differently, and it's intentional, platforming in La Mulana half skill, half puzzle.
The areas are designed with that in mind.

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>>379614308

>>379614171
Anon, what the fuck?

>>379610892
>How is that so much better than traditional parallax that it warrants the game being 20x larger on your disk?

I'm not sure how is this related to disk size, from what I see they just decided to use uncompressed unity packs to speed up disk reading, props to them.

However, regarding parallax:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/11662585/hollow-knight/posts/1270705

read it before making dumb statement what's better

>>379613638
La-Mulana is God-tier metroidvania, you just have bad taste, it's ok.

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>"We want the undertale fanbase" enemy design and dialogue
>Non existent difficulty for your average brain dead consumer
>Kills off a bunch of bugs who I literally couldn't give a shit about and tries to pretend it's impactful because the devs are too inept to do any actual character building
>Forgettable OST composed by some literal who that was clearly paid buttons for his work (and it shows)
>Garbage areas that lack their own unique hazards or anything else that makes them unique
>Comic relief enemy and boss design (One boss literally jumps around shouting Wahoo! like fucking mario)
>No optional and difficult end game content because the devs are lazy hacks

HK is quite literally the most lack luster metroidvania I've played in a long time and just reeks of amateur and lazy work.

I played Marrow 2 months after it and it crucifies HK in every single area from atmosphere, to OST, to aesthetics and finally to difficulty and gameplay.

>>379614505
see >>379614726
Literally all was needed to mention him

>>379614490
They even animated the smears. That's why the effects in this game blend so good - it's not a digital post-process smear.

These guys though, I was legit sad about their situation and that you have to kill them all to get bestiary entry. I was hoping that after killing his dream version they will live happily ever after

>>379614726
in what possible way is cave story a metroidvania?

>>379614490

I love how the keys on weapon swings are just photoshop smudges. Can sometimes be a bitch for your game engine to read the sprite though.

>>379614726
>cave story
>metroidvania

Holy shit

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>>379614770

>>379614726
wait how is it similar to undertale?

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>>379614770
>>379614895
>>379614923

>>379614923

Any lesser enemies or location sprites? Any cut content?

>>379614770

Its a shittier way of doing the smear desu. Because when the game engine tries to read the PNG render, it might get confused with some of the spots with softer shadows and can cause artifacting and errors on the smudged part.

It worked but its definitely needlessly more difficult way of doing it.

>>379614171
I tried to enjoy La Mulana, but I quit like 10 minutes in. This game plays like shit.

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>>379614984
>how is it similar to undertale?
How isn't it similar?

Pic related. This is your mindset hollow cucks.

>>379614895
>>379614915
It has all of the elements of a metroidvania you autistic fucks.

>>379613065
the fuck is this shit and the fuck I'm looking at?

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>>379615108
Not much, most cut content in the game files are just old versions of charms that you can see here:
http://hollowknight.wikia.com/wiki/Trivia_and_Cut_Content


Only found this one that is actually a sprite of anything that was cut/coming soon (appeared in 1.3.0.1 and not before so probably a new enemy coming later)

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@379615309

>>379614726
Is this image meant to be intentionally inflammatory, anon?

>>379615108
>Any cut content?
Depends what do you mean by that.

As in cut content that is in resources? There is only a charm and an enemy and one location I think.

The rest is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/5x69fy/missingupcoming_content_compilation/

and it is coming

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@379615309
What the fuck. Just wait a fucking minute...

>>379614650
I just don't understand what's suppose to make it the epitome of quality for metroidvania. The gameplay tedious, and the grail mechanic removes all sense of tension from the game making it feel less 'challenging' and more frustrating.

>>379615309
Anon what the FUCK

>>379615220
True, but it's also easier to make it fit the style of the animation that way. A lot of games that try to blend 2D with post processing, especially for particles, end up looking a bit uncanny.

>>379615309
>It has all of the elements of a metroidvania you autistic fucks.
yeah, what are they

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>>379615543

>>379614726
WELL AND TRULY POTTERY

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>>379614726
>people actually replied to this

>>379614726
>marrow
how the fuck do you know about that?

>>379615713
STOP SEXUALIZING HORNET

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>>379615969
make me

>>379615849
It's literally the Marrow dev themselves

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>>379615543
No it's meant to be factually true, and in that regard it's highly accurate.

>>379615492
There's nothing baity about my post though

>>379615643
>>379615659

>Undertale has a tiny dog in a comically oversized suit of armor
>HK has a maggot in a comically oversized suit of armor

Final Fantasy Iron Giants are living suits of armor.

>>379615849
Because somebody in a metroidvania thread mentioned it just before it 404'd and I bought it and played it immediately. I've also 100%'d it now too.
Absolutely excellent game and I owe that anon who recommended it some huge thanks because I never would have found it otherwise.

>>379614726
La Mulana isn't a Metroidvania game, gating via puzzles isn't Metroidvania.

>>379608695
getting tired of the shilling

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will this slut deal contact damage to enemies when she's playable?

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>>379616283
I'd let her contact damage me any time if you know what I mean

>>379615387
You're looking at the wonders of Physically Based Rendering, where you have to combine albedo, metal/roughness and normal maps to get a picture

>>379616141
Hate to break it to you but Super Metroid gated off several areas via puzzles. Rudimentary ones, but still.

>Meridia & the Super Bomb
>Abandoned Ship
>Plasma Beam kinda
>That weird sand-bot that I can never remember the name of.

>>379616014
I dont have to, you'll run out of material in 2 more posts

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>>379616141
>La Mulana isn't a Metroidvania game
Yes it is.

>gating via puzzles isn't Metroidvania.
lmao what a fucking retarded thing to say.

>>379616125
The doggo is not tiny, it's a big doggo with smol had. He a good boy.

The magot's armor is not oversized, it's not his armor - it is an armor of a royal knight named Hegemol, you can see his stature at the entrance of the City Of Rain.

>>379616391
and what the final result looks like?

>>379613889
this thread is going to shit, come to the official HK Discord if you want to talk about HK/datamining or game dev. I'll be here for a few hours in #spoilers

>>379616531
>Yes it is.
No it isnt.
Just because some random sperg on 4chan says so does not mean it is.

You can write an essay here and it still won't be metroidvania.

>>379616273
I can't tell if people here are dumb enough to believe that rinky dink nobody indie devs can afford to pay shills to shill their game for 5 months straight or if they're just shitposting.

Also I played it and enjoyed it a ton. Easily one of the best indie metroidvania games released on steam.

>>379616541
Why are you replying to a LaMulana shill?

>>379616273
[spoilers]I do it for free[/spoilers]

>>379616531
Maze be honest, are you the one making HK threads?

>>379616612
It is a secret. Yet!
>>379616695
Oh, I'll check it out, thanks!

>>379616420
None of those are puzzles, the glass pipe is pretty much basic logic.

>>379616531
It ain't. Terraria sure as shit isn't a Metroidvania, neither is Cave Story or Odallus. Odallus even has a stage select screen, it's not interconnected at all. Why would I ever listen to you?

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>>379616541
The dog jumps out of the armor though and he's tiny, the fuck anon.

>>379616712
>No it isnt.
Yes it is.
>Just because some random sperg on 4chan says so does not mean it is.
Comedy kino, that's exactly what you're doing right now.

No matter how hard you cry it won't change the fact that La-Mulana is a metroidvania in every sense of the word.


>>379616863
Nope, promise.
No really though, it's legit not me.

>>379608695
Definitely best metroidvania in years; great overall balance of all sides of the game, from exploration, combat, sound, and visuals. Decently sized, moderately challenging in places but certainly no emphasis on super hard difficulty.

>>379616857
good work newfag

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>>379616891
>It is a secret. Yet!
Unless you use some unique rendering mechanism it should not be a problem to put it together.

I mean, it all depends how good the game is and if it will be popular enough to care. As adev you should be happy that people are interested enough to write tool to extract your shit because the opposite means nobody cares

>>379616891
6059

>>379617006
>Yes it is.
Nope, it isn't

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>>379615849
Nigga why did you sound so surprised anyway, you can't make a comment like this and then leave me blue balled by not saying anything else.

>>379616952
Terraria is a metroidvania. I've already educated you faggots on why that's the case before.

An argument can be made for Odallus but that's about all.

>Why would I ever listen to you?
Because I'm right, as per usual.

>>379617346
Yes it is.

>>379617445
its just weird, I've keep thinking marrow isn't even a real game. Feels more like a fever dream that I had that just popped up at random on steam

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>>379617006
>>379614726
I just want you to know your autistic screeching convinced me to try Hollow Knight and realize its actually a pretty good game.

Are you some kind of reverse psychology shill?

he's just an attention whore
you should know that anyone that draws attention to themselves on 4chan is barneyfag tier

>>379618271
Where's your trip nigger?

If Hollow Knight is the kino of metroidvanias, does that make La Mulana the ludo of metroidvanias?

>>379618536
what

>>379618536
ludo as in?

>>379617264
Got here!

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>>379618271
Yeah you definitely don't give a shit. That's why you're in literally all of these threads kek. kys nerd.

>>379608695
waiting for Switch version

>>379608695
So are they bugs or something?

>>379618775
They're arthropods, you uncultured goon.

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>>379618775
they are the tormented spirits of the dead

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>>379610583
Holy shit. I just realised why my toaster struggletop can't run this game. Fuck.

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>>379618479
I've never used a trip, not once. You don't get to ignore my posts that easily.
Besides, I quite enjoy seeing the new nicknames you autists give me over the years.

>>379618742
>Ass ruined because he got blown the absolute fuck out
LOL

imagine being called an autist by maze and then realize how he spends his life

>>379619110
D-do you have a source?

>>379619110
>ass blasted personified in every thread
>never wins an argument, barely even argues anymore
>calls someone else ass blasted

kek. Literal /b/ tier at this point. I'm gonna go play video games now instead of autistically checking for HK threads to shit on.

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>>379614726
>lists cave story and terraria as metroidvania
>doesn't list a single metroid or castlevania game
PLEASE FUCKIN|G
EHAT WAT\

WHAT IS WTONG WITH YOU????

FUCKING

IIIIIIIIIIIDIOTTTT

>>379619967
top fucking kek. dont change anon

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>>379619967
I'm as left as anyone can get and yet even I think that people like you should be rounded up and executed in death camps.

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>shit times on every dustforce stage
>no friends
>draws attention to himself on an anonymous image board by posting the same images for years, in order to make up for being a loser
>like every attention whore on 4chan a sexually frustrated degenerate
your personality disorder is rooted in self-loathing, and you deserve it tbqh

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>>379616952
>Odallus even has a stage select screen
I dunno, not that guy, but I would consider Demon's Crest metroidvania, and I would consider Order of Ecclesia metroidvania even if you didn't go to Castlevania in the last chunk of the game, and those both have you selecting stages on a map.
I might even consider Wario Land 3 a metroidvania.
It's the progression structure that makes something a metroidvania in my mind. The whole gaining abilities and all that that allows you to reach new areas and shit in a way that doesn't feel totally linear.
I haven't played Odallus though, no idea if any of that applies to it.

>>379619967
>has a bunch of good qualities
>is pedoshitter
yeah I fucking doubt it

>actively trying to be a meme
What would possess someone to be so retarded?

>>379615650
It's old and not very good. People are nostalgic and attached to it, mainly because it's one of the few earlier decent PC metroidvanias. Don't feel bad for not liking it. There's a good reason it isn't nearly as revered outside of "hardcore" contrarian gaming circles like /v/.

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>>379621604
Nobody gives a fuck about casuals opinions. You are the lambs, the braindead masses. Your opinion is irrelevant. You do not have the skill or intelligence to be able to judge genre defining gaming kino. That's reserved for the elite who can play any game without being hard walled by difficulty.

>Mfw casual shitters will never know how it feels to be truly skilled.

I understand the appeal of Hollow Knight, but I just couldn't do it. The game is sluggish (I'm not even talking about Unity here which is shit but the pacing of the game itself) and doesn't reward sequence breaking. So many enemies in the game guard and you have to either trigger their scripted way of getting around it (like dashing over them makes them attack forward every time) or wait for them to attack. This wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't so pervasive. Even games like AoL let you snipe weakpoints if you were skilled enough, and that game predates this one by like 25 years. It takes so fucking long to get anywhere when you need to backtrack and QoL things are gated behind badge points. From a design perspective I found this retarded.

>You can either have a slight attack boost or see yourself on the map
>You can either get something useful for combat and waste time chasing down a bunch of money, or use magnet.

I'm glad some people are enjoying the game. The dev obviously put a lot of TLC into world-building and such. To me, it's just the epitome of modern sidescrollers. I played Momodora directly after this and enjoyed it immensely.

>>379622630
>doesn't reward sequence breaking
>play game way that devs didnt intend
i sequence broke the shit out of hollow knight and missed beginning areas. I just thought the game was hard. also momadora has the same thing with equipment/badges. youre choosing what is better not what abilities you have

>>379622630
The issue seems to be, you went in expecting fast, and dont like slower paced gameplay

>When you come into a thread and hope things are different
>They're not
Come on man, ACfag is more fun than this, at least he's an interesting shitposter.

>>379622236
>hates game this much
>doesnt even sage because it would mean he would get less attention

premium kek

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>>379623985
My posts are only for my enjoyment.

>>379624323
Well of course, I don't care if the thread lives or dies, I'm in multiple threads anyway. No matter what happens, I win lmao

>>379622236
>Nobody gives a fuck about casuals opinions. You are the lambs, the braindead masses. Your opinion is irrelevant. You do not have the skill or intelligence to be able to judge genre defining gaming kino. That's reserved for the elite who can play any game without being hard walled by difficulty.
go outside lmao

>>379608695
Waiting for ps4 version. Game looks great, but I find playing indie games on my ps4 tv setup that much comfier