Anyone else think the push for 4k on consoles is a complete waste?

Blame dumbass Americans and their ridiculously big tvs.

Graphics and buzzwords sell

Yes, just like the push for 1080p was a complete waste.

>>379547489
not a complete waste
It depends if any developers actually decide to make optimized yet enhanced textures that don't destroy the ancient console graphics cards, which won't happen because they don't want to risk a dead on arrival game.

>>379547489
That "4K high" is obviously just an upscale. It's probably running an internal resolution somewhat higher than 1080p, but not high enough to not get ruined by the upscale filter.

The reality is that consoles are too damn weak for 4K. Scorpio will be too.

All the things you listed cost more money for devs to implement, in an industry where budgets are already stretched pretty thin. Bumping up the resolution is pretty much free.

>>379547489
It's not 4k and the graphics of these games are bad so yeah it's a waste.

That said you're an idiot.

I want to fuck Cindy.

>>379547649
The free market just keeps making TVs bigger, better and cheaper. You could tile your floor with 4K TVs if you really wanted to.

>>379547717
>>379547717
>push for 1080p
KEK
Most games still can't even do that
How many of the best games this gen were 1080p/60fps?

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>>379547489
she has no ass

>>379547489

I honestly can't tell the difference

>>379547489
Real things
>better lighting and rasterisation
>real AA for sharper graphics
In fact 4K gives
>more detailed animations and models

Half the things you mentioned are CPU-bound, and the PS4 Pro only got a small CPU boost.

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>>379547876
It wouldn't cost that much to have their lighting engineer put in a better lighting engine? That would affect the look of the game much more than resolution.

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>FF15
lol

>>379547649
But all the TVs we buy are made by gooks and japs, our domestic tv industry died in the 90s.

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4K console gaming is at least 5-7 years out. You can't run 4K native with a stable framerate. It's just not a thing yet.

These 4K games are obviously upscaled. In the past, if you ran a 1080p game on a 4K, it would get stretched to fit. With "4K" gaming, it will be better than just a stretch thanks to filters and optimization, however it will not be 4K native. Consoles are too weak, and the market is too niche in 2017.

Also, obviously, 4K is only necessary for companies to continue to sell you TV units. It's not necessary for 99.9% of the consumer base. You can achieve the same effect by sitting closer to your TV. Want an extra 24 inches on your TV? Move your chair 24 inches closer.

Consumers are dumb.

>>379548723
You mean 900p upscaled to 1080p

It is funny how the same crowd on /v/ wants to be elitists and graphics whores at the same time. I'm with OP. Art design and animations can carry the look of the game, the big money should be focused on pushing the standard on interactivity and gameplay. In certain games 60 fps or more is an important standard to keep though.

>>379547649

>3rd world mudslime blames the US for everything

I know how this episode ends...

>>379550348
What's with developers shoving RPG elements into literally everything these days?

>>379547489

Its not even real 4k, its just upscaled.

And most tvs dont have a native 4k, so you are willing to spend a shit ton of money for one of those.

Consoles, holding back technology since forever.

>>379552609
>You mean 900p upscaled to 1080p
He literally asked how many were 1080p you fucking retard so no he doesn't mean 900p upscaled. Read the fucking post.

>>379551713
The bottom isn't 15.

>>379550609
Because that image is 1712x956

>>379547489
They should be pushing for 1080p/60FPS first. The benefit of 60FPS is way more valuable than the benefits of running at 4K.

Its no surprise though, normalfags are the biggest user base on consoles and you can tell market a game on pretty "4K" screenshots, you can't show framerate in promotional screenshots. Sony in particular is also using the PS4 Pro to help sell 4K TVs.

>>379555053
>Didn't get furry summon with the FFXV demo.

To be honest, the PC fags started the resolution war.

Anyway, I'll be here on my cheap ass budget 720p machine, not giving a fuck.

>>379555849
That's not 15 you dumb fucking nigger.

>>379556016
>To be honest, the PC fags started the resolution war.
No it was the sonybros making fun of xbots for 720p compared to 900p.

PC fags had 1080p for like ten years before current gen game out.

I'm fine with 1400p or 1800p on consoles, which seems to be the only thing the Pro can do. The problem is that it was marketed as a 4K console when it clearly isn't.

>>379556989
>PC fags had 1080p for like ten years before current gen game out.
This I've been on 1080p since 2010 when current consoles were running most games at 720p or less and upscaling to 1080p. This is not even anything new high end PC's have always been years ahead of whatever the standard consoles resolution is. PC really has little to do with it and more with 4K TV's becoming cheaper and more readily available.

Saying PC started the resolution war is kind of silly especially when you consider the vast majority of PC players would prefer a higher framerate over higher resolution.

>>379557407
The marketing is really fucking deceptive, I've seen commercials claiming its 4K and they don't even have any kind of asterisk fine print disclaimer or anything. Even the Xbox One S advertises "4K gaming" despite not performing any differently than the original Xbone and just upscales.

>>379551574
>raytracing
>realtime
lmfao

>>379556430
It is though. It was a time limited demo that they put out for everyone to play. It is FFXV.

You're a dumb cia nigger that i hit with my car

>>379558052
Its literally not you dumb fucking inbecilic inbred little shit, its literally a shitty little tech demo. The real Demo came out with Type 0 HD.

>>379558240
>same engine
>same characters
>same branding

Same game nigger.

>>379558240
fuck you cia nigger you can't talk to me like that

it's as real a demo as the one that came with type 0 HD

>>379558429
>>379558492

An engine and a car are the same thing.

You can't be this fucking retarded.

>>379558429
>>same characters
>Only one character shows up in it.
>Its a child version of the main character that never shows up in the actual game.
>Same character(s)

What're you retarded?

>>379558240
>real demo
The final gam is barely anything like Duscae anymore, if anything the epiode where you can play the first few chapters is the "real" demo.
They're still all demos though, Platinum is closer to the final game than duscae even

>>379558547
the duscae demo isn't even the same game as the release version you stupid cia nigger fuck.

what now bitch? I'll run you over in my car.

>>379547489
4K is a meme resolution for any platform.

>>379554720
It turns out that normies are total autists and can't enjoy a game that doesn't feed them constant gratification in the form of big numbers.

>>379558651
>Game has been out for months.
>Still claims his screenshot of a tech demo is the game's screenshot.
>Still claims the tech demo is the game.

It is literally, physicially, by the very definition of the word, NOT 15 you fucking retard, 15 is a thing and its not it.

You wanna claim it is? Fine, boot up platinum and go fight ifrit.

Oh wait, you can't because its not the fucking game.

>>379554720
ADHD and makes for good microtransactions

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>>379547489
>more advanced AI
cpu bound
>better destruction physics
cpu bound or physx nvidia exclusive
>more players online
memory bound
>more enemies/characters/vehicles on screen
cpu bound
>more detailed animations and models
maybe, massive diminishing returns though
>more elaborate and interactive worlds
dev choice already
>more dynamic, immersive audio
dev choice already, audio is fucking nothing
>better lighting and rasterisation
finally something relevant, but we're nowhere near ray tracing yet
>real AA for sharper graphics
and again, we're on a roll
>less loading times
you can already access the hdd on ps4 and replace it with an SSD if you wish

The only thing upgraded in the ps4 was the GPU side of things, they pushed for higher res because they were forced to do so after the TV manufacturers started selling 4k screens.
They wouldn't have done jack shit if their OG systems output of 900p, upscaled to 4k by the TV made it look like grainy child poo

>>379558930
Sorry dam i'm not that guy. Just saying that it's still a demo of FF15, sure it's not the final game but still.
Calm down for sec geez

What consoles need is a massive boost of framerate. There's more benefit in that than 4k.

>>379559145
Whatever you gotta tell yourself.

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>>379559145
>I'm not even the person to responding to.
>I just said in the post you responded to.
What did she mean by this?

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>>379547489
I agree and disagree, op. Look at any of those character's hair. Its jagged to absolute shit and looks like a mess of pixels. In 4k though you could see how they put a lot of work and detail into it. Games have so much detail in their textures and models which is completely obscured by lower resolutions. Now should gameplay come first? absolutely. But the push to 4k is necessary to flesh out what we already have instead of pushing graphical boundaries even more with detail we cant even notice. Even on a small monitor the significant increase in AA and textures are very noticeable.

>>379558240
Judgement Disc is the only "real demo" honestly. It's barely the same game as Duscae anymore and while Platinum is basicly the final game in terms of combat, half of it isnt in the final game. If it's FFXV or not all comes down to you. I'd say that RE7 Beginning Hour is a demo of RE7 even though half of it isn't in the final game

I got an 4K TV and the PS4 Pro... can't see the difference from the regular PS4 image on a 1080 TV

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>>379559832
delicious 4k

>>379559942
Should've stayed with 100p for slightl better settings or performance, it still has a huge CPU bottleneck ad Scorpio will be the same. The Whole 4/60 thing wil lonly apply to a few exclusives, indies and 2-3 really well optimized games

OP's image looks like some cringy dweebshit mod for Fallout 4.

WipeOut on PS4 Pro is 4K native at 60fps

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>>379551713
I'll never understand why people go out of their way to make older games seem like they look better than newer games. Nobody's buying it, nobody finds it funny, you're just wrong on the internet which is literally as generic as you can be. What's the point?

>>379560150
That's because it's a PS3/PS Vita game.

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>>379560017
hmm yes

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>>379560414
Holy shit, If I could run any game in 4k without downsampling for screenshots it would be Arkham Knight and DOOM.

>>379560414
UE3 sure has come a long way

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>>379560590
It looks amazing

>>379554720
They divert attention to quantity from quality

>>379560590
Man, my 4K screenshots are 10MB+ in size.

>>379559942
What size monitor are you playing on?

>>379560874
40"

I was fine playing in 720p. At that point the sharpness of the image was all up to the developer.

1080p looked really great. And I was quite impressed by the leap from 720p.

At 4k I just don't care any more. I wish for a couple genereations they'd stay at 1080, and instead of trying to push more into resolution and detail, I wish they'd stay at curent level of detail, and dedicate the extra processing power to making more games load faster, run smoother, and perform better. And use the extra storage space that would go into making higher fidelity shit for storing just more content instead.

Think about it. PS2 was pretty much the high point of gaming, so imagine if games, instead of getting prettier and shorter, they stayed at the same visual levels, but got bigger and better. So having for example a FFXII type visuals for a game that runs at 1080p consistent 60FPS with zero dips, that never has a loading screen longer than two seconds, with a world four times the size of lets say Witcher 3.

I stopped being a graphics whore when I was 16, I don't even care that much about FPS I can play a 30fps game just fine, to me smoother framerates are more important than faster ones. But I just wish I could get more content instead of more pores on an alien cock.

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>>379560017
>>379559832
Doom is a beautiful game.
Shame I can't maintain 60 at 4k.

>>379560839
You gotta use a program to compress them or take them in jpgs

>>379547489
>Graphics output has anything to do with sound engines, animators, modelers, physics engines, server infrastructure and viability of player counts

Yes, everyone has the same job in vidya game industries. They just all make graphics and no other positions exist because the gwaphix.

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Anyone that picks resolution over framerate is an idiot. 1080/60 is better than 4k/30. And if you think otherwise you're a fucking normie and need to go back to playing hour bejewled or castle clash or whatever the fuck you hipster faggots play these days.

>>379561159
>1080/60 is better than 4k/30.
>He says while posting a game that runs at 1080/30.

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>>379561031
The shotgun looks so sexy. I get like 6fps though lol

>>379561230
Okay stop.
Tell me, what exactly are you doing here. Pretending to be illiterate? Not understanding its just a random image? Did you think someone was gonna go OMG UR SO CLEVUR?

How much of an obnoxious cunt are you irl? Do you even have any friends?

>>379547489
>Anyone else think the push for 4k on consoles is a complete waste?

In AAA, its far easier (and cheaper) to just bump up graphical fidelity than it is to innovate in terms of gameplay. Big publishers will keep selling you the same crap over so long as you keep paying for it.

>>379561440
>>379561230
Also I play Pro in boost mode, its actually 60.

>>379547489
first of all, some of the things you mentioned have nothing to do with computing graphics.

literally all of the things you mentioned require additional resources be invested into more development of the game. why spend way more for no profit when you can just literally change the resolution slider to 4k and call it a day.

>>379561440
Salt

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>>379561545
>GOTEEEEEM

>>379561519
No it's not you retard. Boost Mode doesn't magically unlock the framerate.
It's basicly for games that couln't perfectly keep 30 or 60fps before

>>379561519
Driveclub is locked at 30, boost mode doesn't unlock the framerate.
The only way to run the game at a higher framerate is to get Driveclub VR.

>>379561614
>>379561656

>He doesn't know.

Salt.

>>379547489
>push for 4k on consoles
lel, you mean upscaled 1440p?

>>379561614
>doesn't magically unlock the framerate
but it does

>>379561690
No, it doesn't.

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>>379561230
>He couldn't understand the words because a picture distracted him.

>>379547489
>>more advanced AI
>>better destruction physics
>>more players online
>>more detailed animations and models
>>more elaborate and interactive worlds
>>more dynamic, immersive audio
>>less loading times
>GPU

>>379547649
>getting mad at Americans for having cool shit

>>379551713
Now show FF13 with no light source

>>379561036
>compress
png already compresses them
>take them in jpg
Bad idea, they usually give either file sizes that are almost the same as png or lower the quality so much you might as well just reduce them to 1080p.
Just convert them yourself to jpg with good settings.

>>379561805
More players, more detailed animations, more elaborate worlds are all gpu dependent as they all involve rendering a lot more information.

He also didn't say GPU, he said they could put "the extra power" to adding those things. GPU isn't the only thing that got a boost, CPU and ram did as well because its not only on GPU.

Stop being such a fucking retard, if you can't even understand basic english or how electronics work then don't reply, you're just embarrassing yourself.

>>379562049
the difference between a jpg and png screenshot is quite large... but if its a nice picture I usually do that.

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you and /g/ pushed it since 2015, you thought it was a fun meme, and now you are whining about it like the autist you are...graphics will not advance if you keep asking for resolution, they literally gave you what you fucking asked for years, maybe you should start asking for graphics improvements this time around, not 8k res, fucking dumb piece of shit

>>379562141
>/g/
Well 4k is really useful if you actually use your PC to work or render shit etc.

>>379562124
My point is that screenshots captured directly in jpg are usually either very big or have shitty quality.
Converting them yourself lets you control the quality/size ratio.

>>379562096
>are all gpu dependent as they all involve rendering a lot more information.
But rendering more information is also taxing on the CPU, as well as the RAM.
And the Pro/Scorpio still use the same shit CPU architecture as the PS4, giving it a slight OC isn't going to help much.
The more RAM does help though.

>>379547489
>more advanced AI
>better destruction physics
>more players online
>more enemies/characters/vehicles on screen
>more detailed animations and models
>more elaborate and interactive worlds
>more dynamic, immersive audio
>better lighting and rasterisation
>real AA for sharper graphics
>less loading times
But that kind of stuff would require work from the developer and we can't have that now.

>>379547489
>>more advanced AI
>>better destruction physics
>>more players online
>>more enemies/characters/vehicles on screen
>>more detailed animations and models
>>more elaborate and interactive worlds
>>more dynamic, immersive audio
>>better lighting and rasterisation
>>real AA for sharper graphics
>>less loading times

how about getting stable 60fps instead of aiming for 30fps but getting drops into the 20s constantly

>>379547489
Just bring this shit to PC already.

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If you sit further than 5 feet from your TV (i.e. 90% of console gamers) , 4k is WORTHLESS

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>>379562519

Is the meme that 3D is cheaper than 2D true ?
I kinda want for my game dev studio to only produce 2D, it feels like 2D games always have deeper, more extensive gameplay than 3D games.

Do you think using near-placeholder for most shit, and releasing the game finished except for the graphics be acceptable ?
Like, using the profits to hire more wageslaves and replacing the placeholders.
Maybe a bad idea, i could easily see the placeholders growing on the players, and there to be an outcry once they're replaced.


Let's assume ten wageslaves in the whole studio, and a game every two years.
2D or 3D ?

>>379551713
It's easy to keep FF13's lighting so pristine when it's basically just a hallway where you can't move the camera.

>>379559832
>Look at any of those character's hair. Its jagged to absolute shit and looks like a mess of pixels.
Do you ever think this when watching a movie?

You do realize that Blurays are "only" 1080p, right?

All that hard work, gone to waste...

>>379562237
they asked it for videogames and porn, thinking 4k content would have gotten around quickly to please them and their autism, guess what...1080p is barely a standard, 4k porn is a handful, youtube is the only streaming service with actual 4k stuff and it's all shitty tech reviews(quite nice to see the details though) and demos for 4k panels, I mean...the industry doesn't even give a fuck about 4k and people think they are enjoying 4k TVs watching their 576i channels on a 55" 4k TV...FUCKING RETARDS

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>>379562652

>>379561523
>literally all of the things you mentioned require additional resources be invested into more development of the game. why spend way more for no profit when you can just literally change the resolution slider to 4k and call it a day.
Why?
Because I'm not going to pay $499 just so I can push up a resolution slider on games I already own.

>>379562804
Are you trying to compare a real life image to a fucking video game?
No shit even a 720p image of a movie has little to no jaggies because it's shot on $10k+ cameras, it's not a fucking rendered image or shot on a dinky little phone camera.
With movies the big issue is compression, hence why blu-rays have a fuckton of space.

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>>379562804
Yes, but blu rays actually look great. The problem I have with them is the motion blur obscuring detail. The actual bitrate makes up for the resolution, and AA isnt a problem like in a video game.

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>>379547489
Blame the gaymers who just want "muh realestate grufiks" instead of a decent game.

Games in 10 years will be just tech demos where you can only move your camera 360degrees. Every game like that will be awarded goty.

>>379561805
>conveniently ignores lighting and Anti-Aliasing

Also Scorpio has double the RAM, which affects all the other stuff

>>379563316
>8gb shared
>12gb shared
>double
And devs can only use 9 same with PS4 where they can only use like 5.5

>>379562939
>pull numbers out of your ass
>suddenly now 4k isn't even enough for most people
Oh how did we ever cope with shitty 4k blu-rays, my eyes are burning!

Sony shills LEAVE

>>379563128
>>379563051
Then spend the GPU power on getting rid of jaggies (e.g. AA and post processing) rather than resolution.

1080p is 1080p. Games aren't jaggy because they lack 4k pixels.

>>379564017
>Then spend the GPU power on getting rid of jaggies (e.g. AA and post processing) rather than resolution.
Are you fucking stupid or something?

>>379563626
Devs could only use 4.5 before, now they can use 9
Yes, double.
And even if you were right and it wasn't exactly double, it doesn't help your point. Extra RAM helps loading, period.

>>379564275
You mean MEGA TEXTURES

>>379564138
Explain how using GPU directly for AA rather than for upscaling to some bullshit number is stupid?

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not quite 60,

>>379564636
I ask again, are you fucking stupid?
Please anon, tell me, what do you think MSAA does?

>>379564636
Its a proven fact downsampling a higher resolution is less taxing than higher AA numbers. Same result, less taxing.

>>379564487
I mean loading times, geometry, whatever you want

>>379564796
What about MEGA TEXTURES?

>>379559832
You still need AA at 4K not having it is still noticeable. It's not until 8-10k that you no longer need it.

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>>379547489

>>379563014
why what?

people who only game on consoles and never got into PC gaming will never understand. resolution is the biggest factor in graphical quality. if you have any games on PC just compare the difference between the lowest and highest resolution setting.

Photorealism in general is a complete waste. Games with stylized graphics are infintely superior

>>379564919
It's over, Carmack. Go back to your VR tech demos for Mr Zuckerburg.

>>379564998
And here comes the endless flood of replies

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>>379565104
How dare you, buy my new game

>>379564998
>blurry filter slapped on it to make it look better

yeah, take it off and it will look a lot less good, same goes for Uncharted 4 and Batman, that and chromatic aberration

>>379564983
Im not saying it completely removes the problem just that its more practical than forcing AA at a lower resolution.

>>379564998
>not using superior 1080p downsample mode with better settings

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>>379565290
na looks fine to me

>>379564998
>It looks great, as long as you don't move!

Also, nice 2d grass you got there

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>>379565543
nice meme you got there can i use it next time

>>379564719
Oh, interesting.
>>379564718
FUCK YOU TOO ASSHOLE

>>379564919
How mega are we talking here?

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>>379565727
But xv-kun told me that Platinum demo is part of the FFXV experience just like the movie or the anime

>>379566021
40 pounds

>>379565610
hi, how many [physics] are in this picture

>>379566108
No I did not.

>>379566108
so blurry holy hell, all the detail is lost

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>>379558651
>>379559912
Episode duscae was an alpha build demo taking place in a section of Duscae, aka a slice of the game when it was in alpha with some mocked up systems in place but generally an actual taste of the open world stuff and day to day flow they aimed for. They took feedback from this demo to implement into and improve the main game.

Plat demo is just a tech demo that takes under the guise of a dream of a kid noctis to just frame the tech demo stuff like playing around with day/night and weather plus transforming into a car and a garula/anak/sahagin, with a dummied fight against an iron giant at the end.

Judgement disc is a demo version of the first 30 minutes of the game and was basically a taste of the final game in Leide.

The final game was improved from that too.

>>379566601
That's from the ingame photo mode which for some reason heavily compresses the image.

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>>379566712
hu huh sure

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>>379566790
It is. For example here is a pic taken from ingame photo mode and you can see its heavily compressed and artifacted

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>>379567061
And here is a pic I took with the screenshot function of PS4 just before taking the "ingame photo" in the photo mode. This is regularly what the game actually looks like.