is 9GB of GDDR5 a game changer?? I dont know anything technical

>>379501776
>I dont know anything technical
you've come to the right place

they downloaded more ram?

>>379501776
>does that mean 1080p 60 fps?
Allegedly it can handle 4K. The real question is, are there any games for it to play?

>>379501776
Oh sure it will. Don't expect much out of 4K though. There is no memory RAM on board so all of it is shared memory pulling from the GDDR5 ram. It's more than PS4 sure, but not a hell of a lot more accessible to developers. And in like 2 years tops it'll start showing age again. It's getting too expensive for consoles to keep up.

they can do 1080p 60 even in the biggest open-world game ever with 9GB (if the devs wanted - a lot with prefer 4K 30, for example).

even Battlefront 2 is confirmed 2160p 60 fps on Scorpio, WWTH 4K TEXTURES (which the PS4 Pro can't handle).

the major difference between Scorpio and PS4 Pro is going to be that the Scorpio has enough RAM to load 4K textures for everything. most 4K games on PS$ pro do NOT have 4K textures, only the resolution is 4K, not the shaders, textures or shadows.

all depends on the devs and the engines. Destiny, for example, is CPU-heavy and the engine is built for 30fps, so it'll be 4K 30fps on Scorpio.

Microsoft has confirmed one 1st party game that was 900p 30 on XBone will be 1080p 60 on Scorpio (either Ryse or Sunset Overdrive), so the devs chose to focus on framerate.

they also confirmed to Digital Foundry that ANY 1080p on XBone game can be made 4K with 4K textures (with the same framerate) on Scorpio, and most (not all) 900p games too.

so... yes, every game could be 1080p 60 IF DEVS WANTED.

a lot of devs will prefer 4K 30, or 1880p 30 with insane lighting and particles, though...

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>>379504402
>ITT: tech illiterates spew marketing bullshit like it's factual

>>379501875
yep

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>>379501776

>>379501776
It may not lag as much with all the completely unnecessary Xbox bloatware that runs in the background.

I can't wait to buy the scorpio for $899

>>379501776
>9GB
why 9 of all numbers?

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Great now I can play all of those VIDEOGAMES at a super high resolution!

>>379507061
just to piss off autists like you and I who want even numbers

The problem is not the memory or Gpu, it's the shitty Cpu. Apparently the Scorpio is still using Jaguar, which is a Cpu meant for tablets, but overclocked.

Not really
8 is minimum (though some games can get by on just 4)
16 gb still wouldn't be a game changer it would just mean ram won't be a bottleneck later down the line.

>>379501776
you can do 1080/60 with 512mb of gddr5. All the video memory does is allow better textures. Im pretty sure no game right now uses more than 6gb of vram on pc in 4k, not even on ultra. But we are talking about consoles, which uses vram for system as well and other game logic. On Pc you see ddr use of 3-4gb in video games. So lets say console OS uses 1gb, game logic uses like 3gb, and you left with 4gb. The extra gb of vram might actually allow them to enable ultra textures on 4k instead of very high.

Microsoft said developers are free to chose whatever they want. Last year papers recommended developers to target 2k 60fps with good textures,shaders, particles, etc. and upscale to 4k

>>379507871
Scorpio has 12GB of RAM. Three being reserved to the system.

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>>379505461

>Microsoft makes a more expensive ps4 pro
this thing is going to be $599

>>379507656
Yep. Whatever bleeding edge gpu you cram into that box won't change the fact that it's bottlenecked by the shitty cpu and the games won't improve fps wise. You'll have silky smooth 4k @20 fps.

>>379501776
GPU won't fix shitty CPU though.

But will it have games?

>>379501776
>is 9GB of GDDR5 a game changer??
For Scorpio? No, not at all. Pretty much irrelevant considering it still has the same shitty CPU as the 2013 model (either overclocked or very similar) and that's the major bottleneck for higher framerates

Scorpio will be just like PS4pro, only that it'll render most games at slightly higher resolutions. There will STILL be PLENTY of 30fps games and non-native upscaled 4K games on the Scorpio. 8 to 9gb RAM changes nothing

>>379507992
my point still stands. Technically PC with 16gb of ram and and 8gb of vram, Have 24gb of ram in total.
I mean everyone recommends having 16gb of ddr4 ram now.
Even if they have 12gb of gddr5 ram in total, they will still be limited even now.

>>379505461
> falls out of chair
> drops cup and spits out drink
> faints
> tips over wheelbarrow and drops vegetables
> vomits
> becomes mad and runs away
i hope he's still making dem comics

It won't mean shit because shitty devs can't optimize their games worth a fuck and they'll be pushing the limits of Scorpio on day one.

I'd be surprised if they can manage 1080p at 60fps.

>>379504402
Jesus christ you sound like such a shill, i doubt you even know what youre talking about

>>379508867
considering its underclocked rx480, with some weak as fuck underclocked laptop cpu, it would make sense they would have trouble reaching 60fps in todays "optimized" games

>>379508867
In the interview with Eurogamer they said they can just 'brute force it', meaning that they'll just throw enough power at it so it can render in 4k.

>>379509229
>meaning that they'll just throw enough power at it so it can render in 4k.
I highly doubt that. Devs were already pushing the limits of the Xbone and PS4 in 2013, there's nothing to suggest that the same won't happen with Scorpio.

>>379501776
This is only going to make developers lazy as fuck with optimisation.

>>379509229
they might reach 30fps in gta5 and bf1 at 4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KwiWbA_gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6w-xDh_ns

But these two games are well optimized also remember actually rx480 is more powerful gpu than the one in scorpio do to clock speeds, also cpu is like 100% weaker.

>>379507061
The console has 12GB but they're dedicating 3GB of that to the OS. it used to be an 8/4 split, but I guess they've managed to cull some of their bloatware like the TV app enough to give devs an extra gig.

>>379509374
I'm pretty sure the GPU is what matters when it comes to rendering at 4k vs 720p, not the CPU, in which case, it can definitely be done.

>>379509596
Yes, but the CPU matters a lot for framerate. The major constraint of these consoles is the shit-tier CPU.

How many of you can tell me what RAM does without looking it up?

>>379509667
I have no doubt that the framerates will stay the same unless a dev really wants it not to be, but it shouldn't have an issue with rendering at 4k for unpatched games.

>>379509448
They still have to develop for the base XBONE and PS4 models, which will still be the majority playerbase of each console. Devs will still need to optimise well enough for the lower end hardware while utilising the benefits the more powerful models provide.

>>379509667
Yup there cpu has the power of something like phenom 2 950~. And that CPU struggles to reach 60fps in any modern game with any modern gpu.

>>379509448
hope you have money to buy those new Core i9s

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>>379503787
>GDDR5
>4K
ha ha
no

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>>379509938
Xbox Scorpio is 4K 30fps.

>>379509898
cpu's dont matter now, since consoles have cpu's which are weaker than first gen core cpus..

In b4 hundreds of sonyladies making damage control threads all day

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>>379508524
It's undoubtedly the best vidya webcomic, pity it updates so rarely.

>Microsoft for 3.5 years
>We don't give a fuck about power even though PS4 is kicking out console's shit in every multiplat game
>2017
>FUCK YOU SONY WE GOT 2 TERAFLOPS MORE DAN YOU AND LOTS MORE RAM OUR CONSOLE BETTER CUZ IT GOT BETTER GPU AND MORE RAM
>Still don't bother getting any games made for it
>End-of-Gen expensive console SKU release when your brand carries no value in the console market anymore

>>379505008
>9GB of GDDR5
>marketing bullshit
He's right, you're ine right place.

>>379510332
>End-of-Gen expensive console SKU release when your brand carries no value in the console market anymore

It's not anywhere near the end of the gen and the Xbox brand has a lot of value and being double downed on by MS by looking at the last financial briefing.

>>379509938
What does the memory interface have to do with being able to handle resolutions? This board is full of retards.
>>379503923
>There is no memory RAM on board
>memory RAM
>memory random access memory
Case in point.

Now hey can store 9gb of low res textures. What a time to be alive

>>379510070
literally nothing there says anything about the graphical display, the only thing it says is the optical drive can read UHD bluray
although you could be right, it might have 4k in the system menus

>>379510332
>PS4 has .5 teraflops more allowing it to render in 900p instead of 720p
XBONE BTFO MICROSOFT IS FINISHED THERE IS NO REASON TO BUY A XBONE

>Scorpio has 2tf more than the PS4 Pro and has many tricks to take advantage of the power including DX12
>I dunno, that's not a huge difference, I doubt most people will be able to even notice

>>379510439
>Xbox brand has a lot of value
the Xbone has yet to outsell the first Xbox

>>379510869
Diminishing returns I guess.

>>379511009
It doesn't deserve to outsell the original Xbox. The OG Xbox had a charm to it that the XBONE couldn't hope to emulate.

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>the bone has no hole tech
Instantly dropped. We'll let the casuals have this one.

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>>379501776
do games really need that much Vram nowadays?

I play at 1080 with a humble 1GB card (uses 1.5 to be precise) and most games are playable. Is this a 4K thing only?

>>379511245
>Put a plastic case over the console
>It has holes in it
>Increases airflow

How does that work?

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>>379511245
>Hole technology
>improved airflow

Life imitates art.

>>379511407
>I play at 1080 with a humble 1GB card
no you don't, I have to put textures to low with my 2GB card

>>379501776
Nope, you're still saddled with a laptop CPU we've already seen this with the PS4 pro. The CPU is the system bottleneck for both consoles.

>>379511407
Yeah higher resolutions usually require alot of Vram

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tfw when xbone still not have supercharged PC architecture

>>379511527
are you sure it can actually use that 2 gb? I also have a 2gb card but can only use 1.5 due to 128-bit interface

Still, we are talking about 9 times the size.

>>379511407
Basically, the more vRAM a card has, the more complex textures or 3D meshes it can load. The higher the resolution of the image you’re attempting to render, the more vRAM required. If the texture and images you’re attempting to run overload your GPU’s vRAM, the overflow goes to system RAM, significantly impacting performance in a negative way. Basically, the video will still render, but frame rates will take a plunge. For this reason, higher vRAM is ESSENTIAL to high-framerate 4K gaming.


TLDR: If you’re not working with highly sophisticated 3D objects (lots of options like fxaa and ambient occlusion) at extreme resolutions, you won’t max out your GPU’s vRAM and therefore won’t see the performance benefits.

>>379511821
I see.

Does this mean 1080p will never need more than a X amount or it will still need more as games become more detailed texture-wise?

>>379511407
they use vram instead of ddr3/4 on consoles as well as using it for there OS as well, saying that console has 9gb of vram here is a marketing giving to easily swindle good goys out of there money. Realistically 4-6gb of that vram will be used for game logic which would have used ddr3/4 on pc.

>>379511941
They can use as much RAM as they want but you won't really see much improvement in higher resolution textures at 1080p. It's more like a softcap than a hardcap.

>>379511673
lurk more

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>>379501776
>Console
>4k

>>379512530
It'll run Cuphead at 4k. Graphics like you've never seen!

>>379501776
well the current most powerful console in the world right now only does 5. So almost twice that sounds pretty good.

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>>379510784

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>>379512530

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>>379501776
18GB OF FUCKING MEMORY

>>379513361
>>379513468
>a screenshot
>of a car standing still
>any indicator of how good it will run
yes of course it will run at 4k with 30 fps drops and resolution fluctuation between 4k and 720p

>>379514071
We will know in 2 days.

>>379513468
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>racing games
every fucking time
"LOOK AT THIS RACING GAME RUNS SO NICE AND AT A HIGH FRAMERATE
show me a game where shit's actually happening which also keeps 4k60fps you fuck

>>379514071
it literally says its running at 4K 60 DigitalFoundry even confirmed it.

>>379507992
It seems like it would perform better if they made it a dedicated gaming console instead of a dvr. How much ram does a clean installation windows 10 or 7 normally use?

>>379501776
Yeah. Now you can fit more graphical defluxes in the integrated PCIE by bypassing the limitations of the high fidelity downclock of the mother modem.

Don't know why they didn't just download more ram, tho.

...but that's really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, really.

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The "difference"

Based on this tweet is game sharing a thing that xbox is for again?

>>379514608
>Don't know why they didn't just download more ram, tho.
That would just increase HDD insensitivity, and destabilize system throughput you fucking tard.

>>379501776
This means that the devs either will keep making more and more diminishing returns in graphics or slack on optimization, still giving you the industry standard of 900p/30fps with drops.

>>379514791
>is game sharing a thing that xbox is for again?
I thought it always was. I learned about it from MS.

>>379503923


Nope. Scorpio is 12GB of ram ps4 is 8. 9 is accessible for scorpio while ps4 is up to 5.5. Im sorry but 5.5 ram vs 9 is not "not as hell if a lot" on PC specially not on consoles. I wished the PS4 allowed 9GB for games, oh wait it doesn't even have 9.

>>379514724
are you implying that there's no difference? because the difference is immediately noticeable

>>379503923
>>379515156

Also the 5.5 available is for the PS4 Pro only, not regular PS4.

>>379515158

Yes, the price is the immediately noticeable difference LOL

>>379514269
>brainlet

why would they spoil other games than the most obvious one until e3

>>379511407
This is going to have 12 GB total.
So it'd be like having a build with 8 GB of RAM and a GPU with 4 GB of VRAM.

>>379504402
>the engine is built for 30fps, so it'll be 4K 30fps on Scorpio.

Destiny is confirmed 60 fps on PC.

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>>379514724
>>379515305

>>379501776
>they need 3GB of memory just to run their bloated OS

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>>379514724
>>379515305
>>379515453
Maybe next time.

>>379513641
No there is 9 dumbass
Keep in mind my PC has 24 lol

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>>379501776
where the video games at

>unlocked

>>379507656
it's not using jaguar, even digital foundry rebuked this

Typical neogaf disinfo.

>>379515786
On PC

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>>379511245
>hole technology

>>379501776
The mediocre CPU might not mean 60fps is common

>>379515830
>it's not using jaguar, even digital foundry rebuked this
Actually, they flat out corroborated it.
https://youtu.be/RE2hNrq1Zxs?t=123
>Scorpio does indeed use an evolved version of the Jaguar core
It even has the same amount of cache as the CPU in the XB1.

>>379514724
>>379515453
>>379515613
You can put the graphics on high and get over 30 fps on a PC from 2013 btw. Everyone should've bought the game on PC because Crystal Dynamics did an amazing job.

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>PS4Pro 4K is just upscaled 1080p or 1440p into some checkerboard bullshit that looks like shit
>Scorpio 4K is just 4K textures but a 2K resolution at most
I mean, cool that there is actual 4K shit that comes with Scorpio and all. But really? Are they ever going to deliver on anything? Remember how long it took them to actually deliver 1080p at 60fps?

>>379516026
Unfortunately the game was the same shit as the 2013 reboot, so no, they shouldn't have bought the game.

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> your average /v/irgin thinks vram is the only thing to determine gpu performance

>>379516218
Your average /v/irgin doesn't even know what VRAM is.

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>>379514364
its a still fucking picture of cars standing at the finished line, no complex calculating nothing, this is the same as looking at the sky to get a decent fps
>B-B-BUT DIGITAL FOUNDRY
yeah MS has a history of altering facts

I hope the price of the PS4 pro will drop thanks to this.

>>379504402
Nice reddit spacing

>>379516513
>that picture
is that real?

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>>379513468
Console nigs never learn.

>>379517017
Yes