Did you HONESTLY think you could learn japanese to jerk off to

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Is Duolingo's Japanese course out yet? I swear it's been years.

you cant learn japanese

>>379487565
?

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>mfw I'm almost done reading through the entire tae kim grammar guide

Maybe I'm mad, but for some reason I get the feeling that a lot of these topics aren't ordered correctly in terms of what is basic and what is advanced.
Besides that, I think that after this it's off to the yotsuba reading set for me

>>379487763
Tae Kim is shit. Grinding grammar like that is a poor way to learn a language. Download the Assimil Japanese stuff and use that in addition to whatever other studying you're doing.

Are any of you fluent?

>>379487486
It's out on Android and iOS anon. Not sure about the website.

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>>379487763
Stop being a cheap nigger and buy a good grammar book.

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>That feel when your favorite franchise has like one game translated
>No one to talk about it with
No one understands this.

>>379487763
Tae Kim is shit. He wouldn't be able to explain grammar clearly if his life depended on it. I personally am learning grammar on the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series, it's way clearer and follows a basic order. Of course, vocabulary is the most difficult part IMO

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>>379488112
>/djt/ suggests anki grinding, everyone is against it
>/djt/ suggests tae kim, people here say tae kim is absolute shit and that a gook should not be trusted

Is the djt some kind of ploy to trick people into learning Japanese using dead-end means? I am just more confused now than ever and all I wanna do is read my mangos

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I stopped doing Anki over a year ago.
Now I have something like 12000 due reps, I had a pretty large deck.

I'm reading pretty well now and improving just by reading VNs and playing games.
But every now and then, I notice that I have to look up a word that was definitely in my deck.

Anyone here got to a point where he just dropped anki completely? Doing daily reps is really killing my motivation, but I don't know if I won't start forgetting more and more of the uncommon words, or if I'll even be able to learn new words that I meet infrequently without using Anki.

>>379488426
it's just that learning a language is kind of a personal discovery/adventure. If it works for you, it works, but I can't learn shit by looking at flashcards for example. I take my time but I make sure I learn my shit the way it suits me.

>>379488404
What are those to bullshits in the front?

>>379488212
流暢と言えるほどじゃないけど普通に周りの日本人とコミュニケーションをとれる。

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>>379488426
https://youtu.be/XLvTEqXqlsI
https://youtu.be/130bOvRpt24

Just do what all the polyglots do: learn languages through exposure and assimilation instead of trying to force yourself to autistically memorize grammar rules and vocab cards. If they can learn multiple languages fluently using this method, then they're probably doing something right.

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>>379488539
Medarot DS's starting models. Medarot DS is a terrible game though, and in Medarot 7 which is the apology letter that came after Medarot DS you start with an older model Metabee and Rokusho and you can unlock the DS models early on.

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>>379488426
The majority of people in /djt/ who are willing to help are the learners who have been studying maybe for less than a year and don't realize they're wasting their time with whatever bullshit methods they're using to study. Ultimately, you need to accept that learning moon is going to take a long ass time to learn and don't be fooled and jewed by anybody that tells you otherwise. You will be set free.

>>379488404
The Medarot 1 translation was finally released?

>>379488212
いいえ

>>379488641
No polyglots actually know a language. They can give the impression of fluency to a moron, but they're vastly lacking in anything but reproduction.

There's a reason they all give up when they get to something like Chinese or Japanese. It actually requires some work, and you can't just wing it and rely on common roots.

>>379488220
Nothing on the website yet: https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/ja/en/status

Still waiting here. Why the fuck do they release on inferior platforms first.

>>379488604
Do you live in Japan then?

>>379488641
I mean you're not wrong, basically what happened to me 2 years ago is that I followed the djt by hearts, went through kana and genki and then started anki grinding cause they told me "you need 2000 minimal kanji to even begin reading". Needless to say I burned out and only recently did I pick it up again. Luckily I retained kana and a bunch of basic Kanji but I never learned to read. So what I thought I'd do this time around is just bumrush through tae kim to learn the basic rules and get the picture, and then jump into reading and watching chinese cartoons.
The only thing I might consider doing in anki now is check out the basic radicals to get a feeling for those.

>>379488762
I'm trilingual myself so I understand there's no shortcuts to learning a language. Even learning my neighbouring languages to an okay-ish level took a while

>>379488212
はい。わたしはフルエントです

>>379487486
out for ios and android but not web. And the course is still in beta anyway so we still have to wait months for the actual course. Fucking hell

Is there a single decent reps program out there? Memrise has server-side refreshment timing and actually makes you input the result which is great, but it has a terrible UI for making any items yourself, no way to fix errors in a downloaded course, and every potential answer in multiple choice questions is picked automatically so you can't do something like putting in a bunch of answers with similar radicals where you need to pick out the right one.
Anki is far too simple, you pick the refresher time yourself and all it does is show you the front of the card then you press a button to see the back of a card, and its sync system is awful.

Is there anything like Memrise but better for making your own stuff with?

>>379485608
Why the fuck can't i acess the japanese course on the Android app? It keeps displaying as 0 learners, too.

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>>379489727
I haven't checked in a while actually so I can't say. They fucked up by not translating the superior Wonderswan version anyway.

>>379488112
Not exactly, I read his guide and while I probably only retained about 40% of it, I've been able to recognize plenty of grammar used in anime. nothing special but I can actually understand the gist of what characters are saying without reading subtitles

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>>379489921
Alexander Arguelles, whose videos I linked, lived in Korea as a teacher for many years and is fluent in Korean, Chinese, many modern languages, and some older, unspoken languages. There are plenty of other polyglots who are fluent in Asian languages as well. You sound kinda butthurt, fampai.

>>379487486
>>379488220
>>379490056
>>379489926
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/29908-duolingo-enable-japanese

>>379490201
>lived in Korea
I don't know who's sadder, someone who would do that willingly, or someone who watches his videos.

>>379490352
wasn't this patched out?

>>379490123
It takes you to esperanto? At least htat's what mine did, I just kept clicking it until it decided it was japanese

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>>379490405
I don't really see what you're getting at. I don't give a shit about Korea or their language, but you claimed that most polyglots only have surface level knowledge of language, which is false in Alexander Arguelles' case.

>or someone who watches his videos
Nigga all I did was link some helpful videos. Most (successful) polyglots agree with those learning methods.

>>379485608
I'm not sure it's possible to learn something you already know

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>tfw genki
>tfw at chapter 8
>tfw all the conjugations make my head hurt

>>379490665
>which is false in Alexander Arguelles' case.
Because he's fucking living in the country, you absolute retard. He can't speak Chink for shit, and I doubt he's any good at most of the other languages he claims to know.

Immersion is a pretty shit-tier method, but it works eventually if you're lazy and spend several years in a new country. Most people aren't planning on moving to Japan though, so it's kind of a waste of time.

>tfw you can understand spoken japanese enoughto be able to fap toh-audios but dont know anything about grammar or hira/kata
feels good

>>379490201
Sure. If they invest years into a single language and live in the country, they can get fluent. But that's not the people that anon was talking about.
When you use polyglot in a pejorative term, you mean people who make youtube videos of HEY GUYS I KNOW 25 LANGUAGES, HERE'S HOW TO LEARN ONE IN 2 MONTHS BY SUBSCRIBING TO MY WEBSITE

Knowing 3-5 languages isn't that special, the people who will never get past intermediate level are those who pick up a new language every few months.

>>379491059
learning kana takes like 1 day

>>379485608
i'im trying please stop bullying

>>379490665
>>379490902

Weeb gets bodied then doesn't respond lol

>>379491326
It's a lifetime commitment, you filthy gaijin. Learning the katakana takes years and starts with ordering a custom made katakana from a Japanese swordsmith.

Any /v/tards that is fluent right now?
What are the basic to learn Japanese?
I just wanted to understand what they're saying in Japanese porn?

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>>379491453
Just keep listening to it and you will start picking up words naturally.

>>379491453
You can't even properly write english. Just give up now and neck yourself.

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>>379490902
He doesn't even like in Korea anymore, and even if he did, it wouldn't make a difference for the other languages he knows. Luca Lampariello is another polyglot who advocates the same learning methods and he's fluent in quite a few languages, including distant languages like Japanese. No one is saying "don't study grammar and vocabulary," but ONLY studying grammar and vocabulary is a terrible way to learn a language.

How did you learn to speak as a child? You listened and imitated. You built a network, a foundation for that language, so when you get to the more technical stuff it was easier to understand. You're essentially doing the same thing. Ideally you will use something like Assimil everyday and do some grammar studies on the side, but trying to learn a language through grammar textbooks and vocabulary cards is absolutely one of the worst ways you can go about it.

>>379491312
>When you use polyglot in a pejorative term, you mean people who make youtube videos of HEY GUYS I KNOW 25 LANGUAGES, HERE'S HOW TO LEARN ONE IN 2 MONTHS BY SUBSCRIBING TO MY WEBSITE
Nice assumptions. No one is talking about those kinda faggots who make clickbait videos.

>>379491453
I learned Japanese for Eroge. It took me about 6 months to be able to play one with training wheels (text hook and the ability to translate words on the spot). From that point on it's just repeating vocab and practicing reading as much as you can.

>>379491453
Watch loads of subtitled hentai and you’ll pick up the phrases you need to get off.

>>379491575
>Nice assumptions. No one is talking about those kinda faggots who make clickbait videos.
Those are the people who generally call themselves polyglots.
People who know a few languages at a high level are just normal people.

>>379491389
Anon, you dumbass, that's not katakana. It's katanakana.

>>379491554
I'm a Mexican beaner currently in southeast
Any tips

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>>379491672
The dictonary definition of polyglot is "a person who speaks, writes, or reads a number of languages." I think you're overestimating the amount of people who can read and speak 3+ languages. The only countries where 2 or more languages are the standard are a handful of European countries, which speak their own native tongue and become fluent in English through a lifetime of exposure. Most English-dominated parts of the world are home to people who only know English. Most Asian countries have mandatory English lessons in school, but the vast majority of those people never actually learn the language.

To say that "people who know a few languages at a high level are normal people," is a bit off-base.

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No, because I'm learning the superior language, Mandarin

>>379491519
You think you are trolling but that actually works

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>>379492108
Get out while you still can.

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But I am learning japanese
I use the genki workbook and ankidroid

But It's not for hentai, I'm not a degenerate, I chat with qt Japanese girls on hellotalk :^)

>>379488220
Finally I might be able to play monobeno soon

>>379492353
Yeah, yeah, I've read this. Anon was just being gullible, the language is not at fault.

>>379492538
What is the point in learning the language then?

>>379492538
The language may not be inherently evil, but if you learn Mandarin you will be talking with Chinese; people who are inherently evil.

Where do i get this genki book

>tfw was really into learning this shit over the last two years
>wanikani account in pretty deep on the levels, anki decks for grammar and sentences
>finished genki I
>Had RTK done for the magic glasses
>Somewhere along the way I just stopped giving a fuck and stopped, it's been like 9 months now

I don't even know where to start again. I feel like I'd have to restart so many things. I'm torn between studying this while I'm still NEET, or going for some certs and just being a code monkey. I wish it was more certain that I could make a living off of this stuff beyond being some JET fag.

>spent seven years consuming Japanese content on a daily basis
>took two semesters of Japanese
>studied on my own for about 8 months
>still have zero actionable reading or listening skills aside from the most common words and phrases
Gave up around February, I'm just not getting it. Maybe someday I'll get a tutor who can help me.

>>379493148
You just have to practice. Start reading a book, even if you have to look up every other word. There's no better way.

>>379493148
>seven years

Jesus christ, why should I even bother

>>379492594
The same as learning Japanese and more, duh.

>>379492687
dude stereotype lmao

>>379493329
Nigga, China is fucking awful. There's a reason people don't generally move there unless it's 1. from a shittier country or 2. for a business deal. They have a shit culture with shit practices that make them shit people. It's a thoroughly unpleasant place and I fucking hope to never go there again in my life.

t. faggot who has been on more business trips than I can count

>Duolingo only covers hiragana

It's a start.

>>379493148
Maybe your low IQ. If you only have like 90-95 IQ, no point in even trying anon

>>379493034

https://www.scribd.com/doc/31814436/Genki-1-An-Integrated-Course-in-Elementary-Japanese-1

>>379493034
>>379493889
here's a better scan with bookmarks

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1f7wbm9o-enZ2dOS19nMzRtUlU

happy learning

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>>379488453
I passed 15k words on anki like 2 years ago and dropped it for a reason I can't remember. Still forget some words every now and then but I've come to accept it as something that will just happen. Nothing a quick 10 second jp dictionary lookup won't fix. Though I'm thinking of maybe starting up a fresh anki profile and only adding some real uncommon words that I see maybe once a month if I'm lucky. Almost 5 years into jap here, the vocab never ends, only slows down so long as you read new things/explore unfamiliar genres. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can achieve happiness with your progress

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>>379493034
>>379493889
>>379494387
oh, and it includes the 2nd book, the workbook and all MP3 files from the listening practice parts

>>379485608

I ALREADY DID HAHAHAHA FUCK YOU ANIME WOMAN WHO TOLD ME I COULDN'T

>>379493629
hiragana only text is painful to look at once you're accustomed to kanji

>>379494493
Thank you trump san

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>>379494802
如何致しまして。

I'm waiting for BOTW hardmode so i can have a reason to replay it in Japanese.

>>379491575
>>How did you learn to speak as a child? You listened and imitated.
Yeah, and it took me fucking YEARS to get a grasp on it, along with constant positive and negative reinforcement.

Given you already know a language, the idea that you should completely ignore that foundation and just guess your way through is dumb.

Nobody is advocating a study method where all you do is read text books and word lists. But literally all you have to do is enjoy the language and all the shit you're sperging out about will come naturally. Giving it a cancer name like "Assimil" just makes you look like a retard.

Whats the best program to learn swedish or german?

>>379485608
I'm literally fluent.
Been living in Japan for 8 years now. Finishing up my last year of college.
Worked as a translator for 4 years as well.

Wanna know a sekret?
You'll literally stop watching anime once you learn the language.

>>379485608
>learn japanese
>to read vietnamese
??????

Any good retard proof guide to start learning japanese?

>>379490893
if you think that's bad, you should see Spanish verb conjugations.

>>379495539
>Whats the best program to learn swedish or german?
refugee program

>>379495751
Sure. The Tae Kim guide is a great start. Bust out those hiragana and katakana charts. Memorize it.
Write them out from memory.
Go through the Tae Kim guide, then get started on Anki vocab lists. Then just CONSUME any and all Japanese media you can. Use all input and output skills.

Reading, writing, speaking, and listening.

post best videos to learn japanese with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k_LDXa3lPk

>>379495751
Attend classes and not miss them.

>>379496158
This guy fucking SUCKS.
His Japanese is atrocious.
Yeahyeahyeah, I get it--it's a joke.
But holy fuck, he's *SO* bad.

>>379496186
>classes
Just no.

>>379492108
Mandarin is Nigger Manchu Chinese.

Man my Japanese is so rusty now. Used to know hundreds of kanji but I've forgot probably 80%. Totally forgot any grammar points I learned. Even my hiragana and katakana reading are super slow now. I used to really enjoy Japanese too.

>>379495751
you cannot learn japanese

so desu ne

now i know japanese

>>379496413
Personally, I learned Japanese in Japan by taking intensive classes.
They're 7k USD a year, which I think is a steal.
You can become relatively fluent at 2 years.

>>379495678
I JLPT N2 and I still watch anime. You're just burned out after having deal with Japs all day

>>379496507
Stop being lazy. Turn your OS's language into Japanese, start following Japanese twitter faggots, read only news in Japanese. Play only Japanese games.

Write down what you don't know. Review.
Repeat until you don't forget it anymore.

What a fucking waste of your time if you don't.

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>memorize all the hiragana
>try to move on to kanji
>download that Anki shit like DJT recommends
>turn it off after 10 minutes

Maybe its just me but this Anki thing seems like a really shitty way to learn. What do I do instead?

>>379496645
I did the same thing jerking off for free in my mom's basement for 2 years, good job I guess?

>>379495539
I think Duolingo is okay

Well done, moonrunes, well done...

HOWEVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g82tUyukLck

>>379496806
LOL. N2? Nice joke.
http://www.jasso.go.jp/ryugaku/study_j/eju/examinee/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2015/12/25/eju_2010_01question_jafl_1.pdf

Take this test.
Also, yeah anime fucking sucks. Gotta go to Book Off and get those 100yen manga boyyeeee

>>379495678
Maybe you could try learning English next

>>379496937
Seeing the threads for this thing last year were hilarious, people were actually dumb enough to think it was real.

>>379496837
You could do kanji mining instead.
It's how I supplement my Japanese studies.
Basically, you make your own Anki decks based on words that you didn't know while you consume Japanese media.

Since you're a beginner, I'd stick to kids manga and pokemon.

>>379496645
That's different. But I wouldn't ever recommend taking classes in the west with all the normiefags that hold back progress.

>>379496837
Anki is the easiest way to learn Kanji. Just do it every day and drop it once you know Japanese.

>>379485608
I picked up a fuck load of japanese just reading translated VNs and listening to the voices. I could probably take a Japanese class and pick that shit up in a year now easily.

VNs were a blessing.

>>379497000
Do you have autism? I'm not going to fill out a 50 page test just to satisfy some guy on /v/. I'll accept you not believing me if those are the requirements.

Forget what I said, you remind me of one of those jaded English teachers that wouldn't be happy in any country.

>>379496814
>Stop being lazy. Turn your OS's language into Japanese, start following Japanese twitter faggots, read only news in Japanese. Play only Japanese games.
How to burn out and make yourself hate the language: the guide

>>379490201
>fluent
>chinese
just watched his video and he's god-awful at it, sounds like a retard talking

>>379495761
But I am spanish so I don't have to learn this awful, awful language again

>>379497236
>Play only Japanese games
Can't I just play CoD with the Japanese dub and text? I don't want to play ching chong shit all day

>>379497151
I have and it was the most cringy thing in my entire fucking life. Oh my GOD.

Fucking faggots asked the teacher about some magical princess manga. Wanted to kill myself right there on the spot.

>>379497159
This. Just set 20 a day, and keep at it. Don't give up.

>>379497159
I would prefer something that's a little more interactive if such a thing exists.

Jesus Christ you fags if you need motivation start talking to cute jap girls online, no better motivation than wanting to impress a cute girl with your language skills.

>>379497096

>https://iamili.com/

200$

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>>379497404
Kidnap a Japanese loli and keep her in your basement and watch anime together. Once you're fluent, release loli back into the wild but tell her not to talk to the police.

>>379490432
i havent used it for a few days but it was working

>>379497212
Just saying. Faggots like you ruin the language for others when you say shit like "oh I know 500 kanji!" like it means anything.
N2 means ::nothing::

Have a conversation, a real fucking conversation with someone. Actually *talk* to a Japanese person instead of wearing that crap as a badge.

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I really hate how Japanese has become this meme language you have to write 20 paragraphs of shit just to justify learning it to strangers on the internet. You never see this much defense required for Spanish or German. Not even other asian languages like Chinese except for maybe Korean. Why the double standard? Are you fuckers that angry that people are actually interested in something that's in the language they're learning? Being an anime obsessed retard and learning Japanese is much better than having no interest in Germany outside of beer and learning German or Spain or Latin America outside of tacos and learning Spanish just to look """""cultured"""""

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>>379497569
yep still works

>>379497664

I enjoy anime, H-manga and visual novels. These make up for about 90% of my free time, therefore I have a very good reason to learn Japanese.

Why do you want to learn Japanese?

>>379487486
>>379488220
>>379489926
So is this Duolingo thing a good way to learn?

>>379497595
Learning enough to get to the upper intermediate level is somehow ruining the language? I don't think I've stopped anyone from learning it, nor have I stopped any Japanese people from speaking. Forgive me for being a language terrorist, I guess.

>>379495678
>You'll literally stop watching anime once you learn the language.

Counter-example over here.
>inb4 implications about how I have not learned the language

It's funny to sit in a cinema watching a Japanese-language movie when the responsible people have forgotten to include the subtitles.

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If you want to be motivated to speak the language, interest yourself in history, actual culture, traditions, mythology, religion, arts, etc... of the country.
Do NOT try to learn the language just because you like manga, animes, games, japanese pop culture, commercial medias, etc...
These are the worst reasons ever, you'll be despised by everyone, japanese people included, and you'll eventually give up because it's not a strong enough reason to go through that hard work.

You'll really get motivated if you know japanese people or have a reason to talk with them, communicate and discover things.
If you're just a weaboo neet browsing memes on the web, watching animes and playing games, you shouldn't try to learn this language.

So, tell us, why do you want to learn Japanese?

>>379495678
>You'll literally stop watching anime once you learn the language.
It's true. I completely switched over to the superior VN genre since I became able to read them.

>>379497806
My mom's boyfriend is Japanese and won't stop saying things about me that I'm pretty sure are insults.

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>>379497889
Every time you post, you make him more mad. Just stop, plz...

>>379492108
>I'm learning ching chong ling lung
And why?
To experience all that fantastic Chinese media?
Or live in the wonderful Chinese cities with more smog than air?

>>379498079
How about getting him some MILF+son h-manga?

Although I don't think I have ever seen anything like that.

>>379497889
Foreigners tend to try and break up Japanese into ranks, as if it gives them some credibility.

I think for me, the problem is I feel most people become complacent after getting to a certain "rank" when in reality, they're no better than a kindergartner.
I'm not trying to degrade you or anyone, just simply stating what I felt when I first started learning the language, because I fell into that stupid game.
I got to N1 and was like "oh fuck yeah, time to relax." But even at N1, you can't read a book without stopping 10 times per page, and you can forget about having any sort of meaningful conversation with anyone.

The way people have tried to split the language up to make it 'easier' for people is really fucked, and leaves people feeling accomplished when in reality, they're hardly better than a 10yo.

>>379497980
I like manga, anime, and idol culture. I like cute girls. That's why I wanna Japanese

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>>379497980
Look at this Japanophilic fucking sycophant.

Japanese history? You mean feudalism that went on for half a millennium after feudalism ended in the rest of the world?

Japanese culture? You mean regressive, traditionalist, collectivist, misogynistic (yes, I'm actually using that word) dogma that idolizes hypocrisy in all aspects of life?

Japanese traditions? What am I, a fucking cave man?

Japanese art? You mean like anime/manga, games, media? Surely you're not referring to the hilarious medieval art that is only novel because of how bad it is compared to the rest of the world's art during the same period?

Listen here, you Hitlerjugend ass nationalist motherfucker, Japan is a SHITHOLE country, with SHITHEEL peple that, despite of its wealth and technology, is one of the most regressive and anti-secular nations in the world, like much of Asia. There is NOTHING to respect them for, other than the resounding success of their entertainment industry. Learning Japanese for the Japanese is the WORST thing you can learn Japanese for.

You will NEVER be Japanese or respected by them no matter how much you suck their 2 inch cocks. Reading books on the sengoku period or glorifying the rape of nanking might as well be the same thing as reading loli futa rape incest manga in front of them given how much they'll actually like you as a foreigner in the end. In the words of Malcom X, "What do you call a gaijin with a PhD? A gaijin."

For the record, reading porn is extremely easy. I only know a little Japanese and I can read most Hmanga/doujins in Japanese just fine. You only need to know words like hard, big, hot, etc. Common shit really. The dialogue is all basically the same.

>>379498417
>foreigners
You are not Japanese, cut that out.

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>>379497980
>If you're just a weaboo neet browsing memes on the web, watching animes and playing games, you shouldn't try to learn this language
>Uses a Touhou pic
Pretty solid bait

>>379498079
>mom's boyfriend

Haha cuck

>>379498451
Is this pasta?

>>379498451
umad

>>379498079
Cuck

>>379498417
>even at N1, you can't read a book without stopping 10 times per page, and you can forget about having any sort of meaningful conversation with anyone.
What? Seriously? Are you sure you aren't confusing N5 and N1? N1 implies fluency. N5 is first grader level.

>>379498554
Did I ever say I was, you fucking retard?

>>379488426
/djt/ is shit and has been splintered between its /int/ thread and its /a/ (now /jp/ refugee ree get off our board)

Ultimately the process to learn a language is not one-size-fits-all and you will need to find out what works for you.

Tae Kim is shit though.

>>379498245
Mama Tama has this

>>379498598
It's the second half of the pasta. The first half is the one he "responded to"

Also

>>379498079
Wow what a cuck

>>379498721
It's just a tendency I've noticed of people that "learn" Japanese and live in Japan to try to distance themselves as far as they can from other non-Japanese people. Much like how black people that get out of the ghetto try as hard as possible to claim they are not black, see Tiger Woods.

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>>379494482
The same kind of applies for anyone who's first language isn't English. Even now after knowing the language for almost 15 years (technically) I'm still learning new words which in daily life will barely see any usage and mainly serve to make you look like a obtuse and maybe holier-than-thou cunt

>>379497980
>If you want to be motivated to speak the language, interest yourself in culture
>Do NOT try to learn the language just because you like culture
What did /jp/ mean by this?

>>379498714
I'm not telling you this to burn you out, but you have a long LONG road until actual fluency.

You don't have to be a super pro, but you should be able to do things Japanese people can do, right?
Read novels, have debates and conversations about abstract topics, write summaries or opinion pieces on various topics, and so on. These are real skills that the N1 does not prepare you for. It covers only reading and listening.

The 留学生試験 covers writing at least.

>>379497236
It's a good idea he just took it a little too far. When I studied Japanese in school we weren't allowed to speak a single word in English unless we got permission from the teacher. We had to try our hardest to speak in Japanese for everything

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>4th year in japanese
>still don't entirely understand when to use wa or ga

>>379498951
/jp/ meant to tell you that they're retards.

>>379488426
You won't be able to learn a language well if you don't communicate in it (via f.e. speaking).
>t. someone who learned German, French, Italian, Spanish and fucking Russian due to his job

>>379499020
Does this help you?
http://www.imabi.net/theparticlesgawa.htm

>>379499020
Use it when speaking Japanese, you idiot

Last time I tried I got halfway through RTK. Far enough to be convinced that the method works, that I can complete it in a reasonable amount of time, and that it's extendable past 2000 kanji. So that takes care of orthography. I figure the vocabulary and grammar shouldn't be difficult after that.
The main thing stopping me is the fact that I'll never be able to master Japanese without actually conversing in it.

>>379498951
Japanese learners are special snowflakes. They want to convince themselves that Japanese shit isn't popular in order to pretend they are doing some underground thing, so the most popular, recognizable things from Japan "don't count".
It's like how fighting game fags claim that people don't play fighting games (even those with high sales) unless they attend 5 major tournaments across the country a year and have spent 2000 hours playing at home as well.

>>379499020
I figured out when to use each one like maybe two months in, you must be a complete retard if you haven't figured it out in 4 years. Damn.

>>379499014
You have to push yourself my dude.
I could not sleep some nights because I'd have random words repeating in my head as I tossed and turned.
Eventually, I could think in Japanese. You brain needs time to filter and organize this stuff, but it's really a good idea to just flood it with information each day and let it do its thing.

>duolingo

Can't teach you japanese.
https://kumasensei.net/learn-japanese-duolingo-review/

>/v/ Japanese "expert" assures me that "日本語を話せますか" is not correct grammar because of Tae Kim and that I should use が instead of を
>I ask my Japanese friend and he says "yes, that is correct" BTFO'ing /v/ yet again
Tae Kim, not even once

>>379498951
/jp/ would never tell you this.

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>>379499282
>mfw I had this last night after watching a shitload of yakuza 0 and I was just organising a load of words in my head that kept repeating

That was the first time I had that too and it felt weird as fuck. I hope it means I'm on the right track

>>379499454
That pasta actually comes from /jp/ Guy was flooded in (you)s
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S14485518#p14485564

>>379499445
Tae Kim doesn't tell you you should use が with potential verbs, that guy is just a fucking idiot.

>>379497819
No, go pirate rosetta stone.

>>379499497
aaaahhhhh yessss.
It fucking SUCKS at the beginning. I just wanted to sleep but my brain was so busy organizing shit.
Then one day I'm walking down the street and I see some shifty looking guy on the train.
First thing to pop into my head was あいつおかしいなぁ。Japanese got there faster than my native language. I was stoked.

>>379497980

jokes on you I learned japanese solely to jerk off to hentai raws

>>379499801
I unironically pirated Japanese Rosetta stone years ago.
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>379497530
It's still completely fake, man.

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> a year and a half into anki
> still can't read image related

JUST

>>379499246
This is why I suggest taking classes in Japan.
They'll teach you the 4 major skills you'll need to master Japanese.

Also, don't just think "I'll just talk to some Japanese person" like some many often do.
Have a teacher sit down and fix your problems.
Also put it this way, how long would you talk to someone who barely knows English? 2-3 minutes at best.

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>>379499667
I think most of the Japanese learning community on /v/ is like that
>post a clip of me speaking Japanese on here once
>most of the responses are just ebin reactions and yelling out le cringe
>one guy even reposts it on /djt/ claiming to be me just to see what funny reactions he'll get
>only one guy in the original thread even explains what I pronounced wrong and actually helps me
And this is exactly why I use the Japanese guy now instead since he can actually explain things


Really, I would recommend getting a Japanese language exchange partner to most of you, even the dank memers. You'll progress far faster even with the partner asking you English questions at the same time.
>>379499801
That's just as bad, I used this program for a month or two and still didn't even know basic stuff like knowing ever kana.

>>379500142
I dunno, I've been helping an Indonesian guy learn English for a few months now.

>>379500130
>tfw read all of it
What game?

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How do I get into grammar? I'm kind of stuck.

>>379500130
Honestly, what have you been doing all this time? 10 new cards a day?

>>379500130
Kudos to you taking on something like this with no furigana.
なかなかレベル高いな
Tone it down and read some manga instead?

>>379499497
As an ESL I can tell you you are. Just don't get immersed for too long once you're more versed, you may not feel it but constantly thinking in another language wears you out.

>>379499592
What do you know, I was just making an educated guess based on the Touhou pic.

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I have ADHD. How do I focus on anything for more than a few minutes a day, let alone Japanese?

>>379500043
>>379500151

If you had any problems you'd be sharing them with the group, instead of just blindly slobbering on the keyboard. Have fun with your peer pressure negrosity.

>>379485608
when I get a job I'll start a japanese course in a japanese school near me, you'll see, I'll be the best japanese speaking dude ever

>>379500250
You have a ton of patience.
I ain't helping unless I get paid.
People pay top dollar for good teachers here.
>>379500348
just do Tae Kim. It's a good start. It's not perfect, but what is? みんなの日本語?笑わせないでくれww

>>379500520
Write down your goals. Make it tangible. Stick to a plan.

This helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpB-B8BXk0

>>379500142
Yeah, I know. Plus I've heard the majority of pen pals are Japanese housewives, and what sort of Japanese housewife wants to talk to a NEET with broken Japanese.

>>379500151
>Really, I would recommend getting a Japanese language exchange partner to most of you

Where would I grab one from?

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>>379500594
But I've been doing Kana and pretty much nails it every time now with few errors. I just wanna get into some easy children trash and kanji.

Don't tell me I have to go through Tae Kim's entire guide.

>>379500842
Gonna shill my old school because I'm shameless.
It's 7k a year, and they'll whip you into real good shape.

http://japan.ecc.ac.jp/en/

>>379500978
>But I've been doing Kana and pretty much nails it every time now with few errors
Come on man, that's like saying you know the alphabet with few errors

Why is Japanese such a stupid fucking language? What is the point of kanji? Why not just use a god damn alphabet like everybody else?

is /jp/ the worst board?

>>379500978
nah, you could go the 'coding' route and just look up whatever you don't know, if you really want to dig right the fuck in.
Just get down all your particles. Really understand what they mean.
>>379500938
Just go attend classes.

>>379500259

not a game, it's a CG set by Past Gadget

>>379500384

15 new cards per day, couldn't read or recognize 目隠し、段取り、配慮、 擦る and I had to look up 優しく because I forgot it.

>>379500418

I think stuff without Furigana is better. It encourages me to look up the jukugo on my own and learn it.

>>379501182
/jp/ is pretty awful since it's just a dumping grounds for generals now.

Feels like a board with no identity

>>379501180
Japanese would fall apart without Kanji. Unlike English, there are a TON of words that have the same pronunciation, but mean totally separate things. In Japanese, you use Kanji to determine what word you want to use.

>>379501180
It's a perfectly reasonable language, and kanji make plenty of sense in such a homophone-prone language.

>>379500556
Peer pressure? What? I can expand more on my personal issues with it for you if you really want.

Expanding on my previous point, it's just way too slow. I'm sure some would argue "just turn of the romaji and set it to kana or kanji" but that's part of the issue. Even if you set the text to kana or kanji, they don't do a good job of explaining kana, so unless you already know how to read it, you'll be confused by things like "っ". I had to manually look it up after seeing it in so many places and thinking "why is this used as a break in words that I can otherwise read?" This is a problem with Rosetta Stone in general. It's fine for Latin based languages if you can already read Latin script, but learning a new script with their "immersion" based teaching practices alone? Good luck. Also, the voice detection is kind of wonky. I've said things and know I pronounced them wrong, but it still passed me through.
>>379500938
I used Japan-Guide
>>379500842
Just look specifically for a pen pal that knows a bit of English and says they are interested in things like animation or games. That's what I did. Still trying to break his habit of saying Soriddo Snake, though.

>>379501315
Good on you. Just cuts out the middle man of having to use a kanji recognizer to find a specific kanji

>>379501324
/jp/ was literally always a dumping ground for generals. typemoon, touhou, etc.

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>>379501186
I'm actually currently in Japan for an exchange programme (gonna be here for 2 more months) and actually only did some anki grinding and basic grammar before I got here so I'm already having the hardest time in my life right now. I like to believe the added pressure of the unknown is helping me, but here I am in a thread on /v/. And as stupid as it sounds but finding Japanese classes in Japan is harder than it seems

>>379501345
How do they determine the correct meaning in speech?

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>>379501180
Because passages would be WAYYYY too long. This is not Korean, so you can't squish 3 characters into one space.
>>379501521
context, and to some extent, tone

>>379501180
One might ask the same question about words. What's the point of them?
They're just symbols arbitrarily put together by smaller parts and suddenly they have meaning?

Sound familiar?

>>379501452
The only thing that ever lasted was 2hu shit. Typemoon and whatever is FOTM comes and goes. Now there's just a permanent residence of everything because the concept of generals are fucking retarded

>>379501063
Our alphabet doesn't include combinations, nor do most of our letters look similar. I'll get it eventually, I just wanna move on now that I've 'basically' nailed it. にゃ

>>379501186
Cheers anon. I just want to feel like I'm making some progress, practicing the same Kana over and over is making me apocalyptically cross, and for each Kana I type, it takes a little part of my soul with it. I guess it's flashcards and childrens' books then.

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>>379501182
I went to a JAV thread and asked an actual JAV question, what did "planing" mean as a genre. I was ignored and no one ever explained whether or not that referred to condom use.

I made a thread about 403's new album, Heroes, and got realized that no one on there gives a shit about that band outside of th4 4chan city flash from 10 years ago.

I think I made a post about Sex Machineguns once and they all started complaining about metal, despite many of them liking Babymetal.

>>379501470
If you're in the Kansai area, I really suggest checking out http://japan.ecc.ac.jp/en/

And dude, I know. I was so fucking cocky when I got here, but I couldn't even finish my first year of classes.

Know what helped me the most though? I came here without a computer or phone. Just sitting down with a grammar or vocab book for a couple hours a day helped me out a ton.

We humans always try to take an easy way out, and in this case, it would be to rely on English. Perhaps cutting yourself off would benefit you.

>>379501441

I used to be pretty lazy and just used an OCR to read the jukugo for me, but lately I'm just adding everything I can't read to a special anki deck through rikaisama so I can learn it.

I still cheat with it when I just want a quick fap and always regret it afterwards since I can't remember all the shit I couldn't read.

>>379501180
Think about a bunch of things in the English language that might be weird for an outsider.
Slaughter is one letter away from Laughter
though and throw sound oddly much the same
the whole fish ghoti meme

Languages are inherently weird until you're capable of using them

お前らは日本語を分かるようになれない。

>>379501923
Yeah, I know exactly how you feel.
>>379501742
Keep at it. You WILL get it eventually.
Again, it's a language that millions of other people have learned. You CAN do it, but perhaps the way you're going at it isn't really working?
Try something like saying the kana ten times as you write it down, and then quiz yourself 10 minutes after, or whatever. Shaking it up is totally fine.

>>379496158
This drunken lad actually made me learn to read and write kana, his videos are fine but it should not be your main learning tool, instead go find some better resources like genki or tae kim.

>>379502058
なんでそう思うの?w
スレッド内に日本語わかる人おるで

>>379500703
Thank you, I will try this.

>>379501851
Well nobody at my exchange programme (which isn't Japanese language study related) actually speaks English except for my tutor there and one of the other exchange students from Beijing so essentially I'm pretty much cut-off besides my nightly shitposting on here. Which is why I do think it does help

>http://japan.ecc.ac.jp/en/
I'm only gonna be here for 2 more months so I doubt I'm gonna be able to jump in on that. But I'll be bookmarking that for the future in case I ever feel daring again

>>379501791

> what did "planing" mean as a genre

The Japanese tag for "planning" us 企画, so I always assumed it meant something like an event or thought-out scene with beforehand preparation, such as a game show theme or one of those "do X, receive Y yen".

>>379495761
Spanish is easy

>>379502407
Ah, makes sense, think I first saw it in an enema twister match video.

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What's the best flashcard app for IOs? Grammar is easy as fuck for me but remember works is hard

>>379502051
English is weird for outsiders regardless though because of how much of a mess is in general. A Germanic language written in a Latin alphabet with half the language comprising of French, Greek and Latin loan words is never going to be easy. Let's just go back to writing with runes.

>>379502584
have fun memorizing the genders of everything, orthographic accents, verb conjugations and particles.

>>379502253
DJTっていう日本語練習スレによく出て来るネタだよ

>>379502589
>Enema twister match
My dick desires to know more.

Also I'm just at hiragana 4 in duolingo and it's already kicking my ass

>>379502684

>Grammar is easy as fuck for me

れええええええええええ

>>379497212
You're coming across as a legit shithead, dude.

>>379502404
Totally man. Check out Kantaru if you do come to Osaka. Good people there and everyone is in the games industry.

>>379502374
You're totally welcome. Good luck man.

>>379502814
433gun00109

>>379502783
Spanish particles are the worst desu.

>>379502684
Anki in a web browser

>>379502929
Welp, I guess I can count it as Japanese lessons if I fap to that with the volume on.

>>379502878
I'm actually following the exchange programme at the Osaka-electro communications university so I will check it out for sure. I could've gone to Chiba or Kyushu if I chose to do so, but Chiba's uni is like border Tokyo and I wasn't really looking for capital city life, while kyushu might be a bit too far off from the rest.
That and I got a thing for sengoku and edo period history

>>379502981
The thing is I'm rarely at home so I need mobile one

>>379502787
あ、ごめん。知らなかった!
行ったことないからネタなんて知るはずないけど、DJTはどう?勉強にある?
んでみんなの態度どんな感じやろう~やっぱみんあ偉そうに喋るとか?

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>tfw got accepted as a CIR in the JET program a few days ago
Shitting myself desu

>>379503257
How is a web page not mobile?

>>379503165
Oh dude. The next meetup is the 29th, so try to show up! You can check facebook for more details.

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Thanks /v/ Japan friends, I'll try using this each day with the time I usually piss away on mindless games.

Let's see how it goes, It's really enjoyable so far on this app.

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>>379503471
I didn't think about that

>>379503372
How old are you anon?

>>379503530
Don't burn yourself out, but down stop. Cut down if you need to, but don't ever stop.
Having a habit of studying is the best thing you can do for yourself.

>>379499147
How is this site overall compared to Tae Kim's guide?

>>379497984
>reading work made by sweaty fat jap men
fapu!

>>379503350
実は時々しか行かないけど、教科書とか単語リストとか役に立つものたくさんあって、みんな質問したり助け合ったりしているいい雰囲気のスレみたいだ

>>379503612
23, why do you ask?

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>learning asian languages
why do you all hate white women so much? Did your mothers beat you too often?

>take placement test
>place into level 7
get on my level nerds.

>>379504094
I just learned the wonders of 2D women

I've been trying to learn Japanese since high school. I'm now 30.

Every time I was seen trying to study it my parents would beat me.

My mother hates Asians and Asian languages with a passion for some reason. She was constantly telling me to learn Spanish because it has a "future".

Still, don't know what she meant.

>>379502783
>have fun memorizing the genders of everything
jokes on you it's the same in my native russian

>>379497980
>So, tell us, why do you want to learn Japanese?
So I can play games and watch idol stuff.

>>379504223
You still live with your parents at 30?
Hm, I think having trouble with Japanese is the least of your problems...

>>379495761
What the fuck are you talking about.
I spent 2 months in Spain with basic knowledge of Spanish (<1 year doing some duolingo) and picked up verb conjugation in no time.
The only thing that isn't abundantly easy is subjunctive, which is fucking simple if you just expose yourself to the language for ahwile.

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>>379485608
>in high school, not a weeb
>enjoy language classes, school offers French, Spanish, and Japanese for some reason
>"I'll take all three"
>Open house day
>Everyone in line for French and Spanish looks normal
>Pan over to line for Japanese
>Smell them before I see them
>Don't take the class and never look back

What the fuck is wrong with weebs?

>>379496837
Anki is the best way to learn literally anything

t. i got straight As in every subject

>>379504223
>She was constantly telling me to learn Spanish because it has a "future".
what a joke
she should have been telling you to learn chinese

>>379502137
I think I just need to put it into practice, rather than continually type Kana again and again.

It's not like I have a high failure rate, it's just me being impatient. あ お び ぴ are main culprits.

>>379502783
But it all makes way more sense than english. Plus I use it a lot seeing that I live HTX
Captcha - mexico woodgreen

When do I start using Anki along with Genki?

I didn't think I could, but somehow I managed.

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>>379503372
>tfw my country is not part of the JET program

>>379500384
Does everyone have the Japanese characters on the front and the pronunciation and meaning on the back?
I've always done it the other way around and feel like I've wasted my time and it takes me much longer to remember things. There's no way I could do 20 new cards every day without just mashing through reviews and pretending to know things.

>>379497819
It's supposed to be a comprehensive course to get you to N5, which is pretty good in my books. Having a fairly well designed single course to follow makes learning easier, in my opinion.

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>>379504475
>First semester Japanese
>Class filled with teenagers and annoying weebs
>Third semester
>It's only people taking Japanese to fill their language requirements, Asian transfer stupids looking for an easy A, and people who want to teach English

>>379504596
For び and ぴ just try to remember that for all the other h's, ゜makes it p and ゛makes it b.

>>379504774
You put the Japanese on the front, dummy. Why are you training recall when you SHOULD be training recognition? They're two very different skills.

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>don't learn the radicals
>don't learn the origin of the glyphs the kanji are based on
>don't learn the stroke order and don't write them down at all
>don't even try to grasp that kanji are concept based rather than sound based
>instead of any of these just assume each kanji is somehow a self-contained letter or something similar and there are no patterns to them and they don't represent anything
>people actually think kanji is hard to learn and not just time-consuming

>>379504776
>N5
You know how easy N5 is, right? Literally anyone here could pass it in 2 days, because that's how long it'll take to learn kana.

>>379504475
>>379504785
Romance languages are for people that want to look cultured without having to learn much of anything new if they already know Latin script
Asian languages (really, any language not using latin script) is for people that actually want to learn something new.

Only nerdy loser weirdos want to actually learn.

>>379504832
Thank you, I'll note it down.

>>379504367
Spent a lot of time in school. Working a full time + part time job now. The majority of my time is spent working. Most of my money is going into savings.

No reason to move out honestly. I just want to save money.

>>379504595
I think it is because most of her family is Spanish and she wants me to talk with them more.

or help them over the border. Fuck that

>>379505014
Yeah, fuck the fact that French and Spanish are more useful in more parts of the world.

Japanese is only worth knowing if you plan on going to either Japan or San Francisco.

>>379504018
24 myself and feel im too old to try

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Where can I find gaijin hunters in Tokyo? Asking for a friend.

>>379505250
Im 22 and feel the same lol

>>379505251
tinder

>>379505250
Just go for it, I know a 27 year old who got into JET

>>379505251
Bars. Don't expect a lasting relationship

>>379496158

YOU BITCH

>>379505213
English is pretty common in Spain and France, so you really don't need much there. No idea why you'd want to go to Haiti or Latin America.

>>379505251
>gaijin hunters
Do you you also believe in leprechauns?

>>379505421
no but I know for a fact coal burners exist. So Gaijin hunters aren't that far fetched

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>>379505213
>he's going to Africa so he can speak French to avoid getting stabbed by niggers
Great language choice
Even Bernard Ackah's parents realized that Ivory Coast was beyond saving and now he's in Japan.

>>379505367
They're called romance languages for a reason, fag.

They still get the clam good and chowdered in English countries.

>>379505545
>they exist so I'm gonna try to find one in a city with a population in the digit of tens of millions
Just hire a prostitute.

>>379505361
Not him, but how do I get a lasting relationship with a Japanese woman? Is it even possible if I'm black?

>>379503350
>DJTはどう?勉強にある?
/a/から追い出された時から、
レベルが減ったと思うが、
sadpandaスレ級の脱落ではない。

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>>379485608
Would it be worth my time to take college classes for learning Japanese? I'm required to take a language class anyways. Am I going to have to deal with classmates being annoying and retarded like the ones in anime club? Are we going to spend a whole quarter learning Hiragana and then the next on Katakana when I already memorized most of the characters in a little under two weeks? If so, should I just take the class anyways for the easy A?

>>379505650
So you're learning a language just to impress women? You must have no game at all if you have to say some shit in French she can't even understand just to find a girlfriend LOL

>>379496158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faesCGUO4iA

>threads like this get 400+ replies
Isn't /jp/ used for this shit?

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>>379505779
Buttblasted weeb who can't handle that he wasted a high school credit detected

>>379505745
Yeah, it's really easy. You're gonna get weebs but they usually drop japanese after the second semester since it's too hard for them

>>379505250
You need to have a degree to apply so people are going to be around 22 as a minimum anyway.

>>379505361
Just looking for one nights. Shouldn't be too hard, right?

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But i did?

I did anki and some stuff a couple years ago when I was an undergrad. Then classes got really time consuming and I dropped it. I'm a master's student now, but I'm hoping to take a foreign language class next year. It'll either be French or Japanese, but I'm leaning towards French since I'm doing Nuclear Engineering. Too bad fukushima happened. Any other nukefags here?

>>379505695
You won't be able to fit it in

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>>379505920
Literally not an argument.

Since you're so curious, I didn't actually learn Japanese until after I started working for Honda. They offered me a position where I could make more money, but I had to move to Japan. As such, I had to begin studying the language. I now make more money than I ever did in the UK and my life is all the better for it. My wife (she is English like me, not Japanese) had a bit of trouble adjusting, but overall, she enjoys Japanese life now and we will be raising our child here. The fact that you're thinking with your dick and believe that's all there is to learning a language speaks volumes of your character and maturity levels. Surprised me you aren't advocating for learning Thai since so many sexpats go there due to being absolute failures with women in their own country. Alright, done arguing with children now, so enjoy your last (you)

>>379494717

If I studied Mandarin, how much trouble will I have with kanji? Do the characters at least have similar meanings?

got any resources that are free? I wanted to bother with Genki since it's the most common shit posted here but I can't afford the NEETbux

>>379506393
BBC is a meme, my penis is average sized.
>>379506485
The characters generally mean the same thing.

>>379506485
Don't study Mandarin, study Cantonese instead.

>>379506585
Why bother with Cantonese? Don't most Hong Kong residents speak at least some English?

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>>379506438
And then he kept lurking the thread, alone in the knowledge he had to invent alternate life fiction about his fantasies to justify learning a language that will be dead in 50 years.

>>379506485
Yes, but not always, and some characters are different.

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These threads always make me sad. You people act like learning a language is some herculean effort no man can put forth. Are you all just lazy Americans?

>>379505364
THAS' RIGHT

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This game is mixed jap and eng dudes.
Everyone friendly and there are many interact.

>>379485608
>Did you HONESTLY think you could learn japanese to jerk off to vietnamese breeding diagrams?

I thought this was a meme and you guys were just trolling.

I fucking hate this site.

Brave New World at its finest.

>>379507385
>Brave New World at its finest.
???

>>379489926
Maybe because 85% of Duolingo users are on mobile you complete retard.

>>379497980
>So, tell us, why do you want to learn Japanese?
Because women will love it.

>>379497819
It's good to learn the basics of a language and its vocabulary, but it's not sufficient on its own. You should always try to use all the resources available to you, and make them work for you

>>379507471
It's a prophetic book that everyone here should read.

Basically, too much pleasure is very bad for you. Wish I read this book a lot sooner.

>>379503690
It's much larger and more in depth. I recommend finishing Tae Kim and using imabi for grammar you're still unclear about.

why do autists get bent out of shape over people learning japanese

本当にわかりません

>>379485608

Who is that girl? I always see her making fun of people learning japanese but I've never found out the origin

>>379507550
Explains why everyone talking about duolingo sounds like a literal retard

>>379503612
why, is there some kind of age restriction or something

i wasted 3 years being a neet after highschool so now i'm 23 going to school to get myself a degree in english in order to teach, i'll probably be 27-28 when i start

>>379507830
>Basically, too much pleasure is very bad for you.

That sounds like bullshit made up in order to appease the discontented masses.
"You don't want to always be happy. It's bad for you. Suffering is good. Actually, rich people are the guys to be pitied."

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>Japanese people are fairly polite, even when insulting you
>wannabe Japanese foreigners learning Japanese are all rude idiots that can't stop insulting other foreigners
I think I figured it out now. You realize you won't be special if anyone else picks your super sekret language, so you have to ward them away in order to keep all of the potential Japanese pussy to yourself.

>>379506802
America is just about the only country on earth where learning a second language isn't commonplace, so kids aren't learning them when they're young, the easiest time to do so. Copy that with the fact that the NEETs on these boards are trying to learn a language that's fundamentally different from their native tongue without being immersed in it or even in situations where they can practice conversations regularly, using low quality free online sources that unironically tell them to start with grammer, it's no wonder people can't learn languages

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>>379497980
>>379507630
Too expand on this, I overheard a couple of women talking very positively about their boyfriends because they spoke English and Japanese (I'm in Austria). It was very heartwarming how they talked about them. Made me go mfw, and I wish someone else spoke so highly about me.

Also, I remember reading an online post from a woman who mentioned that she loved her boyfriend because he spoke both French and Japanese.

So yeah, that's why I want to learn it.

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>>379508026
You want to know the real reason? Half of them are jaded former weeaboo fucks like the dream crusher english teacher guy that assumes everyone is as stupid as them with unrealistic expectations of Japan. I'm not even joking. The only people that have EVER made fun of me for reading manga or liking Japanese shit in public are people that already knew what it was and had formed an opinion on it from this kind of faggotry. For example, I was reading Eyeshield 21 on the bus one day and this really angry nerd sat next to me and said "Why are you still reading manga, weeb? You know that real Japanese people don't actually like this stuff, right?" I just KNEW he was from /v/ or maybe had watch filthy frank videos with hot opinions like that. The "still" part obviously implies that he did at some point and "outgrew it," so now he has to use the Jehova's Witness tactic of going door to door to spread the light of truth to the uninformed, much like the kid that stopped liking wrestling once he finally realized it was fake and want to let everyone know his shocking revelation that no one saw coming that guys bodyslamming each other was staged.

>>379508846
If it were only that simple.

Just get the book. Definitely one of the best books everyone should read, especially in the modern age.

>>379509028
So they should start with basic words before grammar?

>>379509161
I'm in America and no one is impressed by my Japanese. Most people here, at least in my area, don't have any real interest in foreign things of any sort beyond a surface level.

>>379500842

My penpal is a single Christmas cake NEET who sends me pics of her cosplaying every now and then, but she only replies like once a day.

>>379509362
that's a real shame

when people go out of their way to convince other people of something, they're just trying to convince themselves

>>379509945
Americans usually have a good reason not to be interested in foreign stuff. You have an entire continent and pretty much every climate imaginable, if you have no interest in seeing the old shit other places can offer, then there isn't really a reason to leave America at all.

>>379510025
Don't even bother informing us on how to find a cute christmas cake nip penpal or anything.

>>379510079
But Autralia also has a million climates. Or maybe that's just New Zealand.

>>379510025
go, anon, and zap to the extreme

and smash that puss

>>379509362
>The only people that have EVER made fun of me for reading manga or liking Japanese shit in public are people that already knew what it was and had formed an opinion on it from this kind of faggotry.
With good reason. I wouldn't take anyone's opinion if they knew nothing about the subject. At least former weeaboos admitted their favorite medium's problems and decided to quit it before it got worse (as in, your post-levels of worse).

>>379510343
I want to drive through republican Australia with a number plate that say 'Convict'.

>>379510079
I'm calling bullshit on this. I've only seen two climates in this shit state, constant rain or constant snow.

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>>379510079
>implying Americans care about anything that's foreign
>implying Americans can speak more than 1 language