>Steam removing Greenlight because they don't trust their

Because people just vote yes on everything

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Indie devs ruined Steam Greenlight.

I never even checked greenlight.

>>379448234
Thank fucking god

>>379448467
Man Sammy boy is not taking the cancellation well I see.

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>>379448234

Yet another western dev who can't stand being upstaged by unending anime shovelware.

The sheer amount of copy and paste shit
The sheer amount of indieshit that was made for a quick buck
The sheer amount of shit that was intentionally made to fuck with users
The sheer lack of quality control

There were some nice things that came from greenlight but not many compared to the amount of shit that passed into there
Anything else to add?
other than that joke one about paint drying which was proof of a greenlight submission bug that allowed it to get past greenlight and for sale without approval or some shit

>>379448234
Does this mean Valve is going to bother getting rid of the garbage that got through on greenlight and sold like 10 copies?

>>379448234
>no more shovelware shit

This is why I fucking love Valve.

>Greenlight prevented certain games from getting on the store
>now everybody can put their garbage on Steam

>>379448234 >>379448383 >>379448467 >>379448592 >>379448601 >>379448715 >>379448749 >>379448806 >>379448853 Shut the fuck up. Steam gave you a way to FIGHT BACK against anti-consumer publishers and you're CELEBRATING its death. Fuck you all.

>>379448853
Nah, that'd mean actual work for them and the whole reason they're doing this is because they can't be bothered to do proper QA on the shit in the first place, so they sure as hell aren't going to go back through everything that made it through already.

>>379448234
>Because they don't trust their users anymore
Yea, that must be why you can publish infinite games with no voting trial for only $100 now.

>>379448971
>Steam gave you a way to FIGHT BACK against anti-consumer publishers
Funny, I don't recall Steam giving me a way to fight back against Valve.

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>>379448234

Democracy does not work. Rest in piss Greenlight

>>379449090
>can publish infinite games with no voting trial for only $100 now.
Isn't it $100 per title

>>379448971
>muh publishers
What's the point of making it easy for indie devs if they're just going to make absolute shit too?

>>379449210
Maybe I just remember being shocked at how lenient it is. Even if its $100 per title you get your money back if it makes that much I'm pretty sure.

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>>379448234
>How did PCu-cks ruin such a simple system?
you mean, rpgmaker/gamemaker/unity indie devs?

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>>379449393
this
fucking unity asset flippers for cards were the main problem

Greenlight had evolved into a true cancer between the indie "devs" doing cheap unity asset flip trash and the fucking crooked Steam Groups who were shilling their "service" of providing a fast 100 votes to pass through Steamlight in exchange for payment from the devs.

>>379448234
Jews and indieshits abused of it.

Fucking assholes like the Groupees ruined the system

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>>379449914
why would they even allow cards for things on greenlight?

>>379449209
>communism
never has an ideology killed more and caused destruction as this pisstain ideology

>>379449053
Just remove all the games that failed to sell a satisfactory amount, it can't possibly be worth it for Valve to keep all the games that don't sell on the store can it?

>>379448971
lmaoing @ ur life

>>379448971
There are LITERALLY people who believe this.
lmao

>>379448234
>Steam removing Greenlight because they don't trust their users anymore
The new system trusts its users even more because it's pure self-publication without having to win a vote first, you fucking retard
If you're gonna shitpost as least educate yourself on the proper angle to shitpost from

>>379448234

The $100 dollar fee system is far better.

A game will never, ever be worth shit if the developer is ever in such dire straights from the start that they can't afford to pay $100 bucks.

Few people ever want to troll the site with garbage for $100 dollars.

>>379448971
>Steam gave you a way to FIGHT BACK against anti-consumer publishers.

How did this give us a way to "fight back"?

The green-light system was a means of approving games. But many people never bothered to vote on anything at all and the ones that did just voted on a bunch of shit. There was never any commitment behind a vote and entirely possible that people would vote to green-light something they wouldn't even buy for 99 cents.

Now this would be anti-competitive if the entrance fee was like $10,000 or $100,000 dollars per game. Only big name or seasonably established businesses would afford or risk that.

But it's only $100, just enough to keep out the ironic shitposts and futile riffraff asset copypasta. If someone can't invest that much, they are not serious or otherwise in a position to actually make even the most rudimentary of video games for sale.

>>379451675
There was already a posting fee, you just don't need to go through the whole voting process anymore

>>379451675
the $100 payment will be recouped by Steam if you make $1000 anyway. I think it's reasonable.

you have to make a game that will make at the very least $1000. otherwise, you're a fucking waste of time and bandwidth.

>>379448234
Well... They ruined it by making groups that you pay and they get your game to pass on greenlight. They then use half the money they get to buy games and give them out for free in their group to attract more people to their group. It is part of the reason there is so much garbage on steam.

>>379448971

>Steam
>fighting against anti-consumerism

Why don't they let people resell the games they bought on Steam then? Because Steam does everything possible to ensure you are not the actual owner of the copy of the game you bought, merely the leaser.

I should have made a minesweeper simulator on greenlight when i had the chance

I'm sure i would have made at least 1000 usd

>no name publisher gets one game through steam can put any additional games on indefinitely as long as they're not straight up malware
>established game visual novel series series gets $3.7mn kick starter for english localization
>has to go through greenlight

>>379454224
>visual novel series
Those aren't games you lonely retard.

>>379454358

Regardless, their platform is on steam.
Also one of the spin off titles they were bringing with it has a volleyball mini game or some shit

>>379453646
because that's how digital goods work. you can't resell games from your origin, uplay, or gog accounts either. you can't sell used ebooks on your kindle. you can't sell shit out of your itunes library. you can't get a few bucks selling your old windows license. steam is only doing what literally every other company on the planet does

if you want it to change, you can write a concerned letter to your representative, and good fucking luck

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>>379448234
About fucking time. All it is, is a mess of crappy pixel games, wannabe horror games, and other shit. Now we can get back to proper games on the store front.


By which I mean games I already own most likely.

>>379448971
Guess what dipshit, indie devs can be just as, IF NOT even more toxic and harmful than publishers ever would. We did it your way and it turned into a disgusting fucking mess.

Now shut up and sleep in the bed YOU made.

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>>379448971
Why do people feel the need to quote horizontally like this?
It's not very aesthetically pleasing, especially when you continue the post immediately after and cause it to wrap.

>>379448853

No, they're just replacing it with a system that forces you to pay Valve $5000 before your game is allowed on Steam. That fat fuck Gabe is always looking for ways he can make more money while doing absolutely nothing.

now if only they would actually oversee early access and attempt to repair its glaring flaws

>>379455628
It's only $100 and you get it back if you sell $1000 worth... which it will if it isn't complete garbage.

>>379448383
whays wrong with that

>>379448234
does this mean no new games for 1 week? indie devs on suicide watch lol

>>379448234
Has there been any word if you can turn an unused Greenlight fee into a Direct fee waiver?

I'd just refund it, but a friend bought me it.

>>379456913
There's supposed to be a 30-day wait period for people who haven't worked with Valve before, so indie titles will be pretty scant for the next month or so.

>>379455998
Less incentive to produce quality video games.

>b-b-but just don't buy it!
A bad game could have been made into a good one.
Retards will always buy things.
It justifies weak creativity.

Good, Steam is a cesspit of garbage thanks to Greenlight.

>>379448467
never have a seen a more punchable face

>>379448467
Looks like my old boss.

>>379455286
Its a reddit thing you wouldnt know

>>379448806
This. Also, when are we going to be able to refund shitty early access games that didn't live up to their promises or were abandoned before they were actually finished?

>>379448234
Thank goodness. There's so much crap being sold on steam now, it's ridiculous.

>>379448234
>thank you for being a part of history!
I love how they state this, like it's a good thing. Basically 'steam greenlight is history!'
If I ever murder a man I'd like to thank him for becoming a part of history before I do.

>>379455286
4chanx was bugged and quoting like that for me a week ago.

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>>379451675
should have been $350

>>379457556
A bad game released through greenlight isn't any worse than a bad game released directly to steam.

>>379448806
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>>379450808
Who cares Steam profited off all the shit and so did people selling trading cards to other idiots which is a scam within itself.

I don't get the autism these days, am I an old man now?

That paint drying game the kid "hacked" onto the store by changing simple values in inspect element and they just recently put a stop to XSS exploit that's piss easy to prevent and should be the first thing they coded. This company is so shit.

>>379457556
Who gives a shit you autistic doormat. Do you really look through every single game in Valve's catalog?

>>379448234
Submit trash and ask people to pay for it. Wow such a great system. Thank god for Jim :)

>>379448234
Greenlight was cancer

>How did PCu-cks ruin such a simple system?
The devs ruined it, by tempting users to vote with giveaways and raffles.
There were whole groups solely based on voting yes on a game. As long as a dev gave out free keys, or whatever.

>>379448234
Bait thread aside they wrote out clearly why they were doing it and it was due to abuse from developers putting shovelware on steam through manipulating greenlight.

>>379449393
Hideaki anno

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>>379448234
Steam should have just made it so only PC users with a GPU that costs more than $150 could vote. Not our fault valve is fucking retarded.

>>379454540
i think you can sell your gmg games though

I'm curious, what good has come from Greenlight? I only voted for Grimoire ever and Cleve has yet to release it

>>379463115
nah

Steam direct sounds like a fantastic idea, but like all great ideas, it's the execution that has to be done just right. And I'm sure I'm not the only one worried about Valve pissing this opportunity away for some gimmicky sales tactic, or not putting enough people to work. You all still remember the travesty and disaster that was paid mods, right? I say this as a fan of steam, don't let them blindly get away with stupid practices. If they do something retarded, it's our job as customers to march to their front door, slap Gaben's 5th helping of food out of his hands, and tell him "FIX THIS MESS YOU FAT SACK OF CRAP."

In a week we'll see if it pays off.

>>379463193
I can't think of one but I also don't know of any games that advertise the fact that they were in greenlight.

>>379448234
No, that was Russian scums.

>>379463329
anon do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?

you don't I just want you to come clean with me.

>>379448917
>no more shovelware shit
yeah, like Valve is actually going to review and reject games now.
They are far too greedy to do that.

>>379448467
DELETE THIS! It's PC users not indie devs! BUY A PS4 FFS!!

>>379463563

I've been following this for months, since they first announced it. And I've seen firsthand the abuse of the system at the hands of calarts indie hipsters who pushed through ANOTHER cinematic hallway simulator where you check the evil white man's privilege once again. You and I both know that the system needed to be reformed if garbage like Gone Home and Depression Quest could unironically get onto steam. I don't know if the new system will be better, but that's what I'm hoping for.

>>379448234
Good riddance. Fucking thrashy 8 bit meme retro crap and animu weebo shit dragging real progression of PC glory.

>>379463709
Okay pop quiz. What will you know by July 8th, 2017 that will decide the success of this program?

>2079
>Still using Steam

>>379448971
>Steam
>fight back muh boogeyman

Hahhaha i'd take the boogeyman side since i've saw firsthand how bad the "social fighters" are just another bunch of noise makers.

>>379463893

Been a while since I researched that date. Fill me in kemo sabe.

>>379448234
>How did PCu-cks ruin such a simple system?

>people voting yes on everything
>people voting yes based on screenshots and nothing else
>people voting yes because "developer promised to do giveaway if the thing gets greenlit"
>people ironically voting yes on shit products
>shitty devs submitting crap games
>shitty devs submitting games with stolen assets

>>379448467
It's like a Watch Dogs character.

>>379462993
>$150

I'm not from burgerland but a third third world shithole. I think 150 is too forgiving, make it 250 then we're taking a good start.

>>379464059
You literally said a week from now I'll know if the steam direct is successful like you're a fucking psychic that can predict a long term business model. Tell me why dude.

>>379464210
They originally were talking about $1000 to $5000 but obviously they've backed off hard.

Because russians abused the fucking shit out of it. People randomly greenlit whatever the fuck they wanted just because they mostly wanted more trading cards, which is the main way most of the crap Greenlight games actually ended up making money.

>>379448806
>celebrating the demise of Greenlight.

You guys do understand that Steam Direct REMOVES THE VOTING BARRIER so now WAY more garbage will end up on steam?

>>379464405

Because that's the date when they implement it? I'll at least have an idea of how they handle it, even if I don't know how it'll proceed in the long run, but if Valve is competent enough to get it off the ground, usually they can keep it stable all the way through. It's exactly like paid mods. The moment they started it, all of us could tell that it was doomed to fail simply from how they handled it. Will you deny this?

>>379464582

Valve will be moderating things now more. Whether they actually do moderation or sick on their fat asses will be anyone's guess. But since asset flips actually can land them in court for copyright infringement, it might hit them in their wallet where it hurts.

5HT6B-66I7Y-BYVZ3

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>>379464582
The voting barrier basically everyone in this thread agrees didn't actually do anything?

>>379464695
>Valve will be moderating things now more.
What you're asking for is for valve to CURATE. They have said time and time again that they do not want to be responsible for curation. Read their announcement blogs.

The "shovelware" is about to increase by x1000.

>>379464835
There's several thousand pieces of trash on greenlight waiting approval right now. They can all get onto steam direct with no barrier.

>>379460545
I'll never get over the culling. Shit was fun but then they ruined it

>>379464789
Wish I could screen codes before activating them. What is this turd you've given me?

It's like a bootleg Super Meatboy.

>>379463193
Uhh, Gurumin I guess? Everyone who voted for it got it for free. Total abuse of the system and a perfect example of why greenlight doesn't work, but it at least is a good game.

>>379448467
He is not a gamedeveloper as i recall, but gm for DnD shows on JP's youtube channel

>>379464912

>They have said time and time again that they do not want to be responsible for curation
They also don't want to land in hot water with courts who hold them responsible for selling games with stolen assets, and just like with refunds, there are battles Valve can't win, which is good for us, the consumer, since that means they HAVE to curate, or find a solution that will give us good curation. It would be disastrous for them to just allow any game without curation, and if there's one thing I know about Valve, they know how to make money, so at the least they won't toss money out the window for no reason.

On a similar note, we still have refunds, so we still have a weapon against cheap ripoff garbage.

I believe what valve wants is for anyone and everyone to have a steam store page - but for those pages to be hidden from the general public (unless it gets marketed). Much like how youtube operates, like how an obscure youtube video has 2 views, unless it goes viral.

To find new games valve wants the users to do curation themselves.

>>379465279

I don't know. That sounds easily abusable. Do you think they'll have the foresight to prevent people taking advantage of the system?

>>379448971
Shut the fuck up, talentless devs are abusing the steam greenlight and putting really shitty games for some money.

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>that one game that's been on early access for months and already has micro-transactions

What's her name, /v?

>>379448234
How is the new system different?

>>379465279
i just fucking want a way to filter out all the indie shit entirely

its ridiculous how much of a struggle it is to find anything that isn't indie flavor of the month games. It reminds me of the google play store; unless you already know the exact name of what you're looking for, you will never find it.

>>379465643
You pay a fee and your game is automatically on it. No voting.

>>379465696
Jesus that sounds way worse

>>379451015
He's right though anon pure/direct democracies are shit systems of governments. A Representative Republic is the best

>>379448234
ITT sad sacks who can no longer make money from Trading Cards from supporting shit games

>>379464912
not unless they pay $100 for every single title

>>379465279
Considering how bad YouTube's system is, that sounds like a disaster.

>>379465786
cash in now.
invest in making a gofundme site for video games where you crowd fund the direct fee in exchange for free keys.

>>379465470
Overwatch?
Battlefield 1?
Gwent?
Quake?

This only works if you count a beta as early-access, which is what early access should of been.

Instead it's basically paying for an idea AKA Kickstarter

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Best greenlight game passing by.

>>379465692
this kinda helps: https://store.steampowered.com/account/preferences/
scroll down to "Tags to filter out", put "indie" and save preferences.

looks like it stops games from showing up in New and Top Sellers, etc.

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>>379448234
I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Greenlight was a good system. PCbros didn't ruin it, players didn't ruin it, not even developers ruined it. It was perfectly functional in every way.

You want to know what ruined it?

Foreigners.

You fucking babbling monkeys living in mud huts with your pentium 4s bashing away at the Unity engine ruined Greenlight. Mr. Cyka Blyat with his half-drunk bottle of vodka smoking a cigarette while shooting up heroin ruined Greenlight. You fucking slopes fresh off the rice fields with a sickle in one hand and a keyboard in another ruined Greenlight.

Greenlight was fucking perfect before the floodgates were opened to every imbecile and philistine living in the third world. People who had no other game except Gay Mario 3 and Grand Dad 2 to draw inspiration and game design from. People who had no other job except to flood Greenlight with shit games in hopes that at least one of their nuggets of garbage made it through.

If it were just first world nations, Greenlight would be known as a beacon of success. But fucking Gabe and Valve had to be 'inclusive' and include shitholes who have never played a game outside of the Funstation 8.

Greenlight should have charged a 1000USD entrance fee and required proof of citizenship of a western country in order to submit a game. After that it should require periodic checkups to make sure barbarians didn't hack the developer account to make Funny Mario 5 for Greenlight.

>>379466075
Greenlight is basically a microcosm for why the West needs walls and borders.

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>>379466075

>greenlight was a good system, except when it failed miserably

>>379466075
kek, I see your point, but it wasn't just foreigners.
Steam is filled with kids who switched to PC because of mustardrace memes.
On top of that you have idiots that play shit like goat simulator because its the fotm game that pewdiepie plays.

All Steam needed to do was have a $100-150 fee for any game you put up on greenlight with the price increasing in correlation with how much you want to sell the game for.

>>379448234
>because they don't trust their users anymore
The image you posted doesn't say that, do you have any citations or are you talking out of your ass?

>>379448383
Don't forget the numerous spam and scam accounts, coupled with exclusive game perk promises to greenlighters for greenlighting games.

>>379448234
I've been on steam for over 10 years and never used green light

Everyone here is an idiot. It was because they were asset flips to make money on steam trading cards. The other major problem acknowledged. By valve were "fake games" that were clogging up the system and were never going to get done.

Watch Jim Sterlings videos on thus he talked to valve themselves.

>>379462993

That's the community manager for their publisher (Team 17), not a Yooka-Laylee dev

>>379466496
>watch jim sterling
Pass
That guy is a tool. He thinks he knows exactly what is going on 'behind the scenes', but he's just a clueless fatass who spends his time trying to convince everyone that he knows what he's talking about instead of researching anything he discusses.

You're an idiot if you listen to him.

>>379462993
I'd had made it that you had to buy the game to vote for it. Valve would hold the money until the passes or not. If it didn't pass you would get refunded and if it did you'll already have the game like you just bought it.

>>379465949
>Quake?
you're an idiot

>>379466496
So to fix those problems they'll now make it easier for anyone to get a game onto steam?
How exactly does removing Greenlight solve those problems you listed? Idiot.

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Thanks God i hate all gargabe of Steam Greenlight

>patreon funded games have no microtransactions, released for free and have tons of updates/support
>shit sold on steam is literally all scams

amazing.

>>379466872
Is this where we pretend Patreon hasn't had some stinkers of its own?
Right off the top of my head I can only think of maybe four games on Patreon that were worth supporting. Four games out of how many?

oh wow, the Walking Simulator tag came back. (so i can filter it in preferences)

i remember when valve banned that tag and others when Gone Home was released lol

>>379466852
too bad it was replaced with literally just a $100 wall

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You guys are all being retarded.

They are replacing greenlight with a thing called Steam Direct, which is just a $100 to publish a game on steam with no review process or voting. All they are doing is just cutting out the waiting period.

The card bullshit is dead but we're still gonna get the largest wave of shit we've ever seen sometime soon.

>>379466141
>level 23 on krieg

Thats the real joke here

>>379467037
Remember when people were making all sorts of tags and descriptors that Valve banned because they were too informative?

I miss the "Shit game" and the "Short" tags.

>>379467135
This.
Direct is going to be just as bad as greenlight. Same barrier to entry, same empty promises of moderation, zero wait period or voting time.

Valve wasn't angry that Greenlight was being flooded with shit. They were angry that users weren't lapping it up and buying it like lemmings.

Buy my fucking trading cards, I guess. They'll be basically worthless soon, anyway.

>>379467135
I know that and I'm not sure if 100 is high enough of a barrier. That's barely more than a single video game.

I would have said 200 to start since that shows a real level of commitment. Your going to have to actually save a little or if a group of small devs all pitch in.

>>379466697
>jim sterling specifically invited to valve's offices to discuss the state of greenlight
>'b-b-b-but i know better than he does!'

>>379467354
I know right. Annon was baiting or so retarded not even worth enlightening. Your a more patient soul than I am.

>>379467207
'short' looks like it currently exists
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4234
http://store.steampowered.com/app/406150/Refunct/

>>379466007
that was a kickstarter game

>>379467354
>Fatass gets invited to Valve so he stops trashtalking them
>Y-y-y-y-ou can totally trust him, guys! He's not a retard masquerading as an educated person.

Again, you're a fucking idiot if you listen to him. He has no opinion that you can't form on your own by just looking at Steam Greenlight and reading up on its history. His job is to make youtube videos that morons click on.

>>379467432
I know, right? How enlightened we are listening to King Fatass.

Better go watch one of those quality videos he makes where he slathers himself in a dragon dildo.

Hey isn't he also the reviewer who gave Breath of the Wild a 6 and Vanquish a 5? Oh well. Better keep lapping up his shit without question despite the fact he is barely qualified to be a reviewer, much less give opinions about video games to anyone except other egotistical fatasses.

I bet you both smell vaguely of cheese.

>>379466141
>your average PC gameplay

>>379467105
To be fair, the wall would work if it was a bit higher. Like, 10x the height.
And no refund either.

>>379467167
You want to hear a joke, buddy?

Two black friends are walking down the street when they pass a medical clinic. A sign out the front says "Become a White man, only $12. Hair colouring, skin bleaching, criminal history wipes. All inclusive! The two guys are ecstatic and check their wallets. The first black guy has $15 while the second guy only has $10. The first guy says "I'll go in and if it's any good, i'll give you my change." He goes in and the second guy sits down on the sidewalk and waits. When the first guy comes out, he looks incredible. Blonde hair, blue eyes, glowing white skin. He even has a suit and tie somehow. The second guy looks up and him says "Wow, you look incredible! Can I ask you for that change?" to which the first guy responds, "Get a job, nigger."

>>379467354
>invited to valves offices

not him, but what does this prove? that he was invited to valve's offices? That's it? that makes him more qualified than I am to talk about Steam greenlight?
Uncle Dane and MrPaladin were also invited to Valve's offices. Should we be asking them what they think about Steam greenlight? They're clearly just as qualified as Jim on the matter.

>>379448234
>Removing greenlight

Steam is saved. Thank fuck

>>379467578

>Hey isn't he also the reviewer who gave Breath of the Wild a 6 and Vanquish a 5?
So he didn't like those games. Big whoop. What you SHOULD be complaining about is how he loved Horizon for the same reasons he hated Breath of the wild. A matter of opinion is one thing, but being a hypocrite is an entirely different matter. THAT's a real reason to hate fatty Sterling.

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>>379460545
Don't buy early access games?

>Here is a car with the engine from a lawnmower in it, sometime in the next 3 years it'll be a real engine I promise. I'll give you a 50% discount if you buy it now.

>>379464143
>that one game on steam with completely stolen assets you could just download the assets yourself and put the game together in unity and play it for free

>>379467326
yeah man, two whole shifts at $10/h
that'll stop em.
in fact, thats ONE WHOLE SHIFT MORE than it is now.

>>379467885
Steam users have proven time and time again that they will waste their money on shit on steam.

>>379467696
Uncle Dane and MrPaladin are ten times more qualified than Jim Sterling because they actually play video games and don't suck dick at them.

Unless the game is called 'Dynasty Warriors', then Jim doesn't know shit about it.

>>379467760
He 'didn't like those games' because he sucked shit at them. He played Vanquish like it was gears of war and then complained that it was like Gears of war, and then he played Breath of the wild without even knowing he could sled on his shield.

I find it baffling that it's 2017, we have almost nine years of shitty reviews from him that anyone can pull up, and people still act like his word is worth anything more than cowshit on the board /v/- Video Games.

Yeah, I really trust someone's opinions on the industry who originally stated that EA's Origin would be dead any day now and that it's okay to pirate Nintendo games. What a swell guy who is not a populist appealing to the lowest common denominator.

>>379467578
>first he's 'clueless'
>now he has only 'no opinion you can't form on your own'

lmao which is it kid? don't answer, just go sob and wahoo in the corner because your mediocre children's game didn't get the perfect score you wanted.

>>379467696
>...to discuss the state of greenlight

hurr durr

>>379467696
They invited him specifically to talk about Greenlight. Also him and total biscuit.

Also the anon being an idiot getting mad at him for giving breath of the wild a six when the main point of the argument is his qualifications in being fair and unbiased. Those two things have nothing to do with each other which is quite the logical fallacy and leap of logic.

I kind of think your one of the butt hurt developer who tried targeting him. You seem really invested in attacking him for some reason.

Also as for me I am lactose intolerant. Ingesting cheese will give me extreme cramps and a need to run to the toilet.

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>>379468053
>lmao which is it kid?
Both you fucking mouthbreather. He's a clueless idiot that doesn't state anything that you can't form on your own.
Are you too stupid to form opinions on your own? Wait, never mind. Don't answer that. The answer is clearly yes.

Fucking underaged shits sucking the dick of worthless e-celebs are the worst.

>>379465470
Nosgoth

In fact that game actually died and got removed from steam because rather than add content and balance the game they would just release cosmetic after cosmetic

Fucking christ the game even had a competitive mode despite being an unbalanced early access mess

Shame though, it was pretty alright and had a lot of potential

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>>379448749

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>>379448234
>tfw your game still got picked to be one of the last games valve greenlights.

Dodged a bullet.

you realize you can just pay 100 bucks and get anything published on steam right?

it's not closing the dam from the indie shovelware river, it's opening it wide open

>>379468149
>They invited him specifically to talk about Greenlight. Also him and total biscuit.
lmao again, what does this prove?
what could Valve possibly say to him that makes him more educated about it than either you or I?

>oh wait yeah we fucked up steam greenlight

hey no shit, anyone with two eyes and a copy of steam can find that out.

>it's a trading card scam

hey no shit, anyone who can click on the 'marketplace' button can see how many worthless cards are floating around nowadays

screaming that Jim Sterling is somehow more enlightened than anyone else because he stuffs his podium full of toys and once went to Washington is a blatant appeal to authority. he states the obvious that people that weren't him already pieced together years ago, and why people think this somehow makes him an expert is beyond me.

>>379468171
>He's a clueless idiot that doesn't state anything that you can't form on your own.

ah so he's clearly wrong, which you know from your sources in valve. what's he wrong about and how do you know that? note that if you don't provide proof you're literally just an assblasted nin10yearold squealing at the computer screen that broken deku stick of the wild got a 7.

>>379466075
This, pragmatically speaking, 3rd worlders shouldnt even be touching steam, while we're at it, rather than buy games they invest time into shitting up dota 2 games or scamming people off their accounts

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>Greenlight is bad because of all these shit games
>who cares about the good Greenlight games
>who cares about the fact that nobody forces you to play shitty Greenlight games and their existence does not detract anyone from playing the games they consider good

You people are fucking retarded. Greenlight was shut down because some Jew devs abused the Steam trading cards system and shat out barely functional "games" with the only reason of doing so being to profit from people buying and selling the cards associated with their "game".

The reason why Steam will have "quality control" from now on is because Valve will prevent shitty devs like this from gaming the system, not because they want to prevent games that are considered "shitty" by some inbred mongoloid virgins to enter their store.

>>379468347
careful, people will correct you to say it's $100 PER game now (as if that makes any difference).

>>379467630
What games do you play gentlesir?

>>379468416
Name 5 good greenlight games.

>>379468416
steam will not have quality control you dont know anything

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good, greenlight has been responsible for hundreds of shitty, unfinished and broken games entering the market.

>>379468517
Better yet: name good games totalling 5% of all greenlight games.

>>379467881
He seems like a guy who enjoys some good looking water in games

>>379468380
>ah so he's clearly wrong
He's saying shit that you should be able to figure out on your own if you weren't a retard.
Also he was wrong for the longest time. He was parroting some retarded shit TotalBiscuit was peddling for a while about steam greenlight being a pyramid scheme. When people who did the actual research pointed out that he was wrong and stupid, only then did he change his tune to it being a scheme for trading cards.

>buh buh nintendyearolds
Maybe if Jim Sterling doesn't want people calling his reviews shit, he should get good at not being shit at playing them.

Anything that's not a musou game (and not too hard of a musou game, because he gave the Beserk one a 7) or a walking simulator he rates poorly because he sucks dick at them. Anything that offers any kind of remote challenge consistently gets less than a 7 from him because his zit-covered fatass can't manage to even perform above average to make a value judgement on the game. Even if it's a musou game, unless it sucks his dick and wipes his ass for him like Dynasty Warriors does (again, a series meant for the most entry-level of people. A game series that can literally be played with one hand), then he bitches about how unfair it is.

He's worse at DSP at giving his opinion on a game. At least DSP understands that his opinion is subjective.

>>379468416
>Steam trading cards system and shat out barely functional "games" with the only reason of doing so being to profit from people buying and selling the cards

They didn't even need to do that. They'd just gift the game to a bunch of bots and turn the cards into gems.

>>379468276
Nice going my /agdg/ friend

Game better have good looking water

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>>379468794
Funny you mention that, I'm actually working on the games water world right now. Take a look at the water yourself.

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>>379468517
>Name 5 good greenlight games.
I'll name you 1, because even one good game coming out via Greenlight overshadows an infinite amount of shit nobody forces you to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w1I_sKWRDU

>>379448234
Greenlight was a terrible idea. The vast majority of people are idiots who don't know what they want. Democracy was a mistake.

>>379468689
>He's saying shit that you should be able to figure out on your own if you weren't a retard.

ah so he does know what he's talking about. lmao

>Anything that's not a musou game (and not too hard of a musou game, because he gave the Beserk one a 7) or a walking simulator he rates poorly because he sucks dick at them.

or, another possibility, that's you projecting because you're a furious nintenbro manchild that can't possibility conceive of any way that your favourite children's toy maker could possibly make a less perfect game, so you have to hold contradictory opinions about anyone who disagrees with you, including ones that have specifically spoken to the makers of greenlight and discussed with them in person their motivations and plans for it.

>>379451675
>The $100 dollar fee system is far better.
This.

>Meanwhile, there are games that are on early access for 2/3/4 years and won't ever be finished

>>379468992
Pic and vid unrelated?

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>>379468416
Steam was flooded with shit games and actual porn shit. It wasn't helping anything good.

Thank god, I wanted someone to push a virus through greenlight so badly.

>>379469168
Remove early access next please based lord of lard gaben

>>379469168
Fucking JEWS; god damnit.

I've bought like 3 games that never got developed, nor will they be developed because their bank account will be negative -$100,000 after it's released due to refunds.

>>379451015
>capitalism hasn't killed more
(You)

>>379468942
>>379468276
Your game looks like shit typical green-light trash.

>>379468378
It proves they thought he was knowledgeable enough and well known enough in the community that he could have an impact. They specifically asked for his and a few others advise on what to do. It almost sounds like they thought he knew what he was talking about.

Right but he was the one who started calling out Steam way before the average steam user knew that it was going downhill.

I would not have known since I don't use the market. Just because you know what is going on doesn't mean everyone does even if it seems obvious. Also just because some people know something does not mean that you can't share the information for others who don't know it. That is the point of reporting. I would never have known about the trading card scam.

I never said that he is enlightened for his podium. Your putting those words in my mouth. I trust him because he takes a fair critical view of things. If it was simply about viewers and being the most viewed gamer they would have invited someone else, but they chose a specific type of informative youtuber.

If I was using an appeal to authority it would be steam giving Jim that right of authority, but I didn't say that. They clearly wanted a diverse range of opinions when they contacted these trustworthy youtubers. They even had dissent among each other but agree to disagree on some things.Their authority is not because of their position but their track record in informing the community at large. For example Jim is a little more in the know than he lets on. In one of his videos way before mankind divided came out he was told the game was cut in half and in development was in trouble. Sure enough his source inside was right and the game was criticised for its ending and sold rather poorly since the series is now shelved. I'm not saying he is right about everything, I think his Fallout 4 review was wrong that game ran poorly for me. For the record I do agree with his BOTW review.

Honestly, I don't get the problem with shovelware being on Steam. Just don't buy it. How hard is that?

>>379448234
old news, we knew they are revamping green light for couple of months now.

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>>379468378
>screaming that Jim Sterling is somehow more enlightened than anyone else because he stuffs his podium full of toys and once went to Washington is a blatant appeal to authority.
>saying that someone is somehow better at cooking than anyone else just because he got invited to cook at the world's best restaurant is a blatant appeal to authority
This is you. Here's a fact for you: Sterling got invited to Valve, you, for all your presumed "knowledge", didn't.

>>379470547
Ad Hominemttack that doesn't address Jim Sterling. Classic troll favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVxfqsK80-Q

>>379470720
>Ad Hominemttack
Any attack on someone who has no argument is an ad hominem by definition, because there's no argument to attack.

>>379470856
True, but I felt i had to be thorough.

>>379471072
So, basically you concur that your entire post is bullshit and you have no argument? Good to know. Cuck Sterling > you. That's how pathetic you are.

>>379469690
Where is your game?

>>379466462
I used to greenlit once. I wanted the stupid gommunity badge but wanna know what i greened ? Nevermind, i'll tell anyway.

It's Haydee.

>>379471215
I am not making an ad hominem argument against him though. I didn't attack him I attacked his argument. So until his defence is worth coming as to why that was not an ad hominem against me I can't go any further down this particular line of debate.

>>379465470
All of them? Rust, shmust, whatever
Shit I feel like Rust will never leave EA because many will refund it immediately

>>379466141
>not even on veteren
>no passives
>soldier
GEE I WONDER WHY IT LOOKS SO DULL

>>379471353
>you're not allowed to say that a movie sucks unless you're a movie director

>>379448917
>>379463585
>>379463851
I'm really hoping there'll be some QA afterwards. Like I'm all for this, as I can't even be arsed to browse through anything on Steam anymore because it's so full of shit I'd never touch even if someone tried to pay me the game's price tag worth of money to play through it.

>>379467750
>developers have to pay a $100 fee
>the game has to get enough upvotes to be approved

vs

>developers have to pay a $100 fee

How is that going to save anything?

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>>379448234
no real person actively went through it and clicked yes to any of it.

people had botnets going on with accounts that only had like 1 game on it. games NO ONE, NO REAL HUMAN would ever vote yes to would get 30k votes for and none of those people were real.

it was an easy to abuse system, it has zero moderation, and you better believe steam was flooded with garbage thanks to that.

>>379455286
Quoting horizontally like that is fine, except when people then begin to immediately type afterward.
>>379460285
>Everything different on the site is Reddit
Retard.

>>379472474
>>Everything different on the site is Reddit
>Retard.
You don't belong here

>>379472254

Now they have to pay the fee every time they submit a new game.

>>379451675
Why don't they just make it so people that vote yes on the game are agreeing to actually buy the game.
The only way for it to pass greenlight is for them to get $5000 worth of votes.

>>379472654
Betting you're one of those irrational mongoloids that complains about "Reddit formatting", aren't you? Just fuck off, you're trying too hard to fit in.

>>379448971
All it did was give children a way to get meme games into the store.

>>379466075
>Greenlight should have charged a 1000USD entrance fee.

They should still do this

>>379472747
>you're trying too hard to fit in.
Fuck off trying to forcing this shitty "HAHA LE TRYING TO FIT IN XDD SO MUCH REDDIT LEL LUL ROFL XDDD" meme, you come from reddit, don't you?

This is amazing news

>>379472938
>Shitload of people begin visiting the site in recent months due to recent events which won't be expanded upon in this post
>Cue the rise of posters calling people out for "Reddit formatting" for typing posts out the same way people always have been
I didn't even say they came from Reddit. I don't give a shit where they came from. For all I know they were just visiting random news sites and blogs before being tweaked onto this place. They then try to assimilate by generating these asinine descriptions of how the place "used to work", and it's just painful to read such stupidity.

>>379473227
Well you're right there

>>379454076
i would buy rack 2s minesweeper as a standalone

>They kept it at a $100
>thats you get back after $1000 of sales
All the poorfags whining about the barrier of entry would be too much at $300 is absolutely insane. I can't believe Valve listened to them and went with the original greenlight fee

>>379448234
>HAHAHAHAHA GREENLIGHT IS SO SHIT HOW CAN PCU-CKS PUT UP WITH THIS GARBAGE?
>greenlight gets removes
>HAHAHAHAHAH GREENLIGHT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD LMAO

>>379466075
western shit is terrible too look at night in the woods or her story

This barely changes anything.

>>379448234
I got lots of free keys for voting yes on shitty greenlight games with my alt accounts.

>>379473649
The $500 they were talking about in the blog post sounded completely reasonable to me, especially if it would've been returned after a certain amount of sales. I really have to wonder how they got argued down to the $100 minimum. I imagine it had to do with a great of whining, begging, and crying.

>>379448917
>Valve fixing a mistake they made FOUR YEARS ago
>this is why I love Valve
Valve has become anticonsumer as fuck.

>>379462993

What if the game being voted on is a VN or something?

>>379474218
They added refunds in that time period too. What did they do to become more anti-consumer? Not disagreeing, just asking.

>>379472713
I doubt that'll do much, a refundable fee of $100 won't be an issue to practically anyone

>Rich as fuck
>Still refuse to invest in a team that does quality control
>Still refuse to improve customer support

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>Direct will have a $100 fee
>Greenlight had a $100 fee

holy fucking shit

That means every piece of shit meme game or third worlder unity asset flip on Greenlight just automatically got onto Steam no questions asked

Why isn't it 500 or 1000? How hard is it to just get a loan. You get the money back anyway

>>379473964
because contrary what valve says they want to sell you as much shit they can, no matter the quality, since they get a cut from everything and more money this way.

there are some retards that argue if you can't pay the fee you shouldn't publish on steam, forgetting this means valve makes less money when people have to sell their game outside steam often enough to even get that money.

Best thing steam ever did since... they established Greenlight, I guess. It was an admirable effort, but the system just didn't work. It was abused too heavily by people just smashing together random assets and putting a price on their halfassed unfinished messes, because the exposure you're granted by the Steam store is all it takes to make some quick bucks based on nothing but empty promises. Steam store is so chock full of low quality shit now I have a real hard time finding good games. It's just step one, they still have to weed out a lot of stuff that slipped the cracks.

On the risk that I sound like I'm on Gaben's payroll, but, from what they said they're still comitted to making it attainable for good works to get published on Steam with as little hassle as possible for small devs. Which is great. It just can't come at the cost of the consumer like Greenlight did. I don't want to go all "yooo pixelshit tumblr devs on suicide watch" but Greenlight was just flawed, and if you deny that you maybe never went on indie gem hunting sprees.

>>379474448
valve has 2 companies doing support for them now

ITT: people who don't actually play PC games

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>>379474504
and why would that change now? you not only have to pay 100 bucks, you even get them back. and who cares about shit games with negative reviews you don't see anyone playing or advertising for?

>but Greenlight was just flawed

yeah, thanks to valve letting every shit through EVEN WITH A VOTING PROCESS. but now that valve only holds open their hands for a fee suddenly it's great?

>if you deny that you maybe never went on indie gem hunting sprees.

that's why you buy shit from indiagale or bundlestars which do a pretty good preselection and have small indie devs being glad they're included.

>>379448806
That game's still on my wishlist, but it unfortunately just redirects to the store homepage

>>379468992
Eisenwald was neat. But a single nugget cant save all the pile of shit.

>>379466075
It's true. Imagine how shitty the Internet will be in the future when the it's all Africans and Poo In Loos.

>>379473964
>I really have to wonder how they got argued down to the $100 minimum. I imagine it had to do with a great of whining, begging, and crying.

They/Valve most probably wanted a $100 to begin with but raised it to $300 so they could *lower* ito to what they originally planned and appeared as good guys while at it.

>>379448971
kys niggershit

>>379469683
provide figures then, ill wait forever
inb4 vague “duhh billions xd”

>>379476945
There is no statistic on this, but you'd be a complete fucking retard to not know how this works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iFYaeoE3n4
Capitalists are the biggest subhuman scum to ever exist and need to be gassed.

>>379463193
Its even in the fucking article on steam. Read it

>>379462993
>wah his hair is green
why do you guys give a shit about these people again?

>>379468517
>War For The Overworld
>Evoland
>Rogue Legacy
>Verdun
>Papers, Please
>Door Kickers
>

>>379464582
>barrier
Mate, there were services that would shitflood your title with yes votes and basically guarantee a pass through the system. After the initial fee you could just dump title upon title on the store, even a single sale of your asset flip was outright profit. The only things that had trouble getting past the barrier were legit indie titles.

>>379448234
>not even a free badge for voting
pathetic

>>379448234
Good riddance Gabe.
#DrainTheSwamp
#MakePCGreatAgain

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>>379477149
>There is no statistic on this
And that's where your argument falls completely flat on its face.

JUUUST

>Steam Direct details
The goal with Steam Direct is to provide an understandable and predictable path for developers from anywhere in the world to bring their games to Steam. With that in mind, we're making the process as easy and streamlined as possible. A new developer will simply need to fill out some digital paperwork, including entering bank and tax information and going through a quick identity verification process. After completing the paperwork, the developer will be asked to pay a $100 recoupable fee for each game they wish to release on Steam. This fee is returned in the payment period after the game has sold $1,000.

As we have been doing for the past year, there is a short process prior to release where our review team installs each game to check that it is configured correctly, matches the description provided on the store page, and doesn't contain malicious content.

Additionally, brand-new developers that we haven't worked with before will need to wait 30 days from the time they pay the app fee until they can release their first game on Steam. This gives us time to review the developer's information and confirm that we know who we're doing business with. Developers will also need to put up a 'coming soon' page for a couple of weeks prior to release, which helps get more eyes on upcoming releases and gives players a chance to point out discrepancies that our team may not be able to catch.

This doesn't even sound bad.

>>379478967
>And that's where your argument falls completely flat on its face.
Can you explain how so? And can you explain how you'd conduct such a statistic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Wl2M4yLkY

>>379479757
I'm not clicking your dumb youtube links. If you have something to say type it dummy.

>>379480292
1/10 you tried.

>>379479757
LOL

1.4 million died in Vietnam
94 million died as a direct result of communism

When you consider Vietnam was an ACTUAL WAR and the nearly 100 million in communist countries either died starving or in labor camps or from government sanctioned genocide the argument goes even further in capitalism's favor.

Hell, communism almost has WWII beat in total body count. But please tell me more about how 'real' communism hasn't been tried.

>>379480501
I can't tell if you're being purposefully retarded or not.
This isn't about vietnam, this is about capitalists constantly creating wars left and right through falseflags. This is why it's unrealistic to conduct a statistic. Not to mention smaller companies killing people in many different ways all over the planet.
Burgers settling in alone killed around 100 million.
>b-but that's not capitalism
(You)

>>379474832
We don't even know how exactly direct is going to work yet. I trust they're not going to do a new system with each and every flaw of the old one.

We already know there is going to be *some* sort of manual quality control, that at least should get rid of all the outright scams.

You know, when steam started to gamify itself and make trading cards and badges, I thought it would be for using greenlight and other community stuff like that. I thought drops would depend on how many games you reviewed, voted on, people you helped in the forums, events you attended, etc.
But instead the kikes just used it to incentivize people into spending money, and damned be the consequences.

>>379455286
>Why do people feel the need to quote horizontally
It takes less vertical space, I do it when there are more than 3 posts I'm replying to at once and you can't do shit about it.

>>379480626
so what you're saying is
>Capitalism kills people of other countries.
>Socialism kills people of their own countries.

Pick your side.

Tell me again about how great XBLA was

>>379480501
Also,
>the nearly 100 million in communist countries either died starving or in labor camps or from government sanctioned genocide the argument goes even further in capitalism's favor
Well, I live in a post communist country and, as far as I know, there were only 2 periods in history where people died of starvation. First being the famines in the early 30's, that by the way was a time when famines hit hard all across the world, you should read about famines at the beginning of the early 20'th century. And the second one being during WWII, but that's understandable.
As for labor camps, a lot of my elderly neighbors had family who worked in these labor camps, the thing is that they had pretty humane workplaces for that time, a good part of them chose to stay and live there in Siberia. There are whole settlements for different kinds of people there now, back from those times.

>>379481057
>>Capitalism kills people of other countries.
No, it does both. First of all, you're constantly being dragged into wars that your own corporations start. Just look up of how US citizens wanted to stay clear from WWII, saying that it's Europe's war to fight, but in the end the propaganda was spinned around and made so that people would willingly go and fight. Not to mention that to keep the military industrial complex running, you need constant war, when it comes to capitalism. So even if everyone becomes capitalist, there's still going to be major war.

>>379471847
>Shit I feel like Rust will never leave EA because many will refund it immediately
why do ppl keep saying that? can you spoonfeed me the source?

>>379448234
You do realize that Direct will probably be worse? No more voting process, just pay 100 bucks, and your game is on Steam

>>379481253
>Capitalism gives people the choice to fight in war or not
>People are dumb enough to comply
>This is somehow Capitalism's fault

>>379466773
did you even have a look at the menu?

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>>379451380

>>379481253
>Famines, no big deal.
>Labor camps, it's ok they were totally humane and shit.
Man I sure love communism.

>>379481401
And when people protested they were shot

>>379448234
what even was the point of Greenlight if negative votes didn't count for shit

>>379481782
Going to need more info and maybe a source on that.

>>379465470

None cause all the EA games I support are good and got made.

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>>379472348
as this anon says, the problem was purely just how easily it was to abuse such a zero moderated system. It was a nice idea, but it was so poorly executed that it destroyed any resemblance of a consumer's influence.

basically
>it was so rigged that whether people did use it didnt change shit.
>zero moderation
>no quality control
>botnets of steam accounts passing everything through that would NEVER reach the minimum to pass.

>>379481401
Most of wars around the world are started due to capitalism and you really don't have much of a choice, because even if you avoid one war, you'll need another war for the system to survive. Yes, that is the inherent problem of capitalism, it just becomes corporatism and corporations don't care how to get their money. Why do you think the US economy keeps tanking every 20 or so years, but then a magic war somewhere abroad happens and their economy gets a bit more fixed for a little while?

>>379481609
>>Famines, no big deal.
I'm not saying famines are no big deal, but it was a natural cause. If you know anything about what I'm even talking about then you'd know why and how they happened, instead it looks to me that you want to be a contrarian reddit nigger who just parrots memes.

>>Labor camps, it's ok they were totally humane and shit.
They really were, though you can argue about the fact that people were sent there in the first place, but unlike US, for instance, which displaced natives by pure jewery and genocide, the whole of USSR was in a state of civil war well to the end and even past the end of WWII.

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>>379455628
At least get your facts straight before you piss and moan about how hard you asset flippers have it now, you cunt.

>>379481967
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Also all that propaganda which led to marijuana delegalization
Maybe it was good thing tho fuck stoners

>>379448467
What are the lines for on his face?

>>379479757
>Communism
>A system that should give a good life to all its inhabitants
>Every time that it was tried it killed hundreds of millions and was never achieved succesfully

>Capitalism
>A system based in competitive lifestyle with all the other inhabitants with definied winners and losers
>Currently working exactly as intended
My neurons... they really are on fire

>>379473227
>events which won't be explained
Thus better not be 'sure is summer in here' because mootykins disproved thay

>>379481253
>Just look up of how US citizens wanted to stay clear from WWII, saying that it's Europe's war to fight, but in the end the propaganda was spinned around and made so that people would willingly go and fight.
Oh yeah, it had nothing to do with fucking Pearl Harbor being bombed by the Axis

>>379483007
Tribal tattoos.

>>379448467
Is this leaked images of kratos for the upcoming God Of War?

>>379481253
>but in the end the propaganda was spinned around and made so that people would willingly go and fight.
You forgot they were attacked while they were not in the war?

>>379483145
Elections. That's the most I'll continue on it.

>>379448234
>>379448383
>>379455998
because that was never how greenlight was supposed to work in the first place. greenlight was ALWAYS nothing but a spam filter, and it never worked as that. so they're replacing it with a new version where access is guaranteed (which was always their intent with greenlight, that only the most obvious of non-products wouldn't make it through), but you're also discouraged from spamming asset flips by a per-submission fee (which is escrowed and returned after $1000 in sales).

>>379483223
And his tattoos mean what?

>>379481253
>Communist countries have never fought a war of aggression
That's good to know.

>>379483223
Did not answer my question.

>>379448971
>Mass reply with all the quotes on one line

What did he mean by this?

>>379483574
Nothing, just like his hairdye. It's just for show.

>>379483223
Not really, it's just lines on your face unless there's a deeper meaning to it.

>>379483574
That he is a faggot that does stuff because they are trendy.

>>379483574
They mean "fuccboi"

>>379483223
>>379483574
>>379483769
fuccboi tribe

>>379466141
>Cadence Soldier
>Not even using bladearc

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>>379483223
If anyone ever tells you they have 'tribal' tattoos, ask them which tribe.
Or even what geographical area the tribe came from.

Watching people squirm is fun, and if they actually have a legitimate answer you learn something.

>>379484120
>>379483223
Those aren't even tribal tattoos....

Why do internet autists like communism so much? I mean, I know some people like being nice at somebody's else expense (and sometimes, at their own), but you don't need some shady ideology to be good.

>>379483096
>I don't know a lick of history the post

>>379483220
>>379483308
>Oh yeah, it had nothing to do with fucking Pearl Harbor being bombed by the Axis
Yeah, because US couldn't avoid that, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
But hey, it's just another conspiracy theory. Just like operation Northwoods, Tonkin Incident, Afghanistan's taliban and so on and on.

>>379483590
How many of those were there? Two or three? I can't even remember properly. One of which was just a premature reaction to an action to which everyone knew the conclusion, during the cold war in the 60's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Z05xyGB0c

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>>379484334
Neither are most 'tribal' tattoos

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>>379484338
useful idiots. People think that communism will get them free stuff, also they are pissed that they got a gender fluid PHD and owe 100,000$ to a shitty college instead of getting a real degree for something useful.

>>379484338
Why do you love to suck on corporate dick so much? Can't let of your jewish overlords?

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>>379484509

>>379484427
Lay off the tinfoil anon

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>>379484576

>>379484623
>spider
Gross
Lamia gives the best hugs.
Best hugs also translates into best fugs

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>>379484623
STOP IT

>>379448234
oh no, what will happen to my survival games and pixelated 2d platformers?

>>379478967
Oy, vey, defend captialism goy, is for the best

Wasnt greenlight a failure from the get-go?
It was obviously going to be replaced by something functional as soon as possible.

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>>379484338
>>379484518
Ever since the outset communism has been an easy way to dupe people into thinking you're on their side as a leader. Communism is incredible on paper - everyone does their fair share, prospers, lives in peace, and is free. In practice as we know it fucks everything up and no nation ever survives on it without completely changing everything it was based on, which isn't much considering Marx was a self-admitted lazy fuck who wished people didn't have to work. It'd have been different if he attacked the admittedly hellish labor conditions in the mid 1800s but he just focused on not doing anything and getting money for it, which people ate up.

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>>379484693

>>379459390
were you a prostitute?

Steam should hand pick a few thousand players who are willing to be beta testers
When a company wants their game in the greenlight/direct or someshit like that, steam would send the game to some testers and they would have to write reviews(on some kind of form) on the game they were sent.

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>>379484616
Lay off the burgers and pick up a book first, fatty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5rhPQoJrhM

>>379484793
Horses are gross and too stuck up with all that oh so chivarrous honorabru shit
Can that thing hug your whole body at once? Of course it can't

>>379448234

Greenlight brought shit like this to the market.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=833856526

>consoles have no games
Empty room > Room full of garbage.

>console babbs then
>hue why you eat shit?

>console babbs then
>hue you can't eat shit anymore!

>>379484952
>varg
Opinion disregarded

>>379484958
It can certainly hug your whole dick at once, though

>>379484904
Yeah maybe an application process can be used? As a beta tester on steam you would not get paid but you can use it on your resume.

>>379485025
So can the lamia

>>379485005
You don't have to dickride the guy to agree on certain points with him and the one thing I agree with him is that capitalism is fucking cancer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwPqAJ_3GY

>>379472741
Clever.

>>379484784
Just to throw in my 2 cents to your arguments
>communism doesn't work when biggest country in the world tries it
>communism doesn't work when small countries try it
>communism doesn't work when small colonial communities in America during early colonisation try it
So when it DOES work?

>>379485279
>>communism doesn't work
What does that mean?

>>379485279
But man, it wasn't REAL communism obviously

>>379485279
Communism will work when all the people are robots.

>>379448234
It was really easy to upload a game and write a bot to get yourself mad up votes

>>379485409
Isn't that post-scarcity society?

>>379485352
It means that the retards who claim to love communism call every fucking attempt "not really communism" because it doesn't fit every single facet of their definition which is arduous and arbitrary to begin with. Ergo because it wasn't real communism therefore you can conclude that every attempt at communism has failed and thereby doesn't fucking work

>>379485561
I hate this meme. Communists think we are post scarcity now even though the economy is still driven on principles of scarcity ergo supply and demand. They conveniently ignore things like imports and other countries who don't participate in communism. That shit isn't free and no Country on earth is self sufficient like that.

>>379485043
That would be cool somehow. But I have my doubts about everyone knowing if you're a beta tester, since companies will try to "buy" you if you receive their games

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>>379485604
You're now moving goalposts and not answering the question. What does "communism doesn't work" even mean?

>>379485279
It doesn't, it's not a robust system. Ideally, you'd take the best parts of socialism and capitalism and build a new, robuster and more humane system. Scandinavia was on the right track systemically, so I hope Sweden gets a grip soon and starts deporting

>>379485409
The only sensible answer. Humans will always find a way to fuck things up due to greed or ambition; or both.

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>before you had to go through greenlight voting process and pay $100 per account to be approved
>now you only have to pay $100 per game that Valve will return to you anyway once your release gets $1000
Excuse me, how is this better? This is fucking worse. Now there are no fucking breaks on this train of trashy games, who the fuck doesn't have $100?

>>379467135
Who cares though, it's basically a store. Just don't buy shit.

>>379451015
over 20 million people die every year due to preventable dieseses and starvation

>>379485774
That's not moving the goal posts. It's an indirect counter that if some 2 dozen countries if varying sizes, cultures and abilities have all attempted communism as an economic and government doctrine to follow and all of them have failed due to their inability to implement such a system then its flag to say that the system they tried to implement doesn't fucking work to begin with.

>>379460545
This. If they'd make it so you get an additional 2 hour refund period after game goes live then devs would stop shitting greenlight up for loads of ez money.
Who am i kidding they'd just keep it early access so you can't refund.

>No shitty games made by 15 year olds ever again

THANK THE GODS. STEAM MIGHT REMEEM ITSELF YET!