I don't understand, how can anyone like this (the combat

>>379423589
It's fun. Now go kill yourself.

It's fun you autist, the laws of physics don't matter

>>379423589
Think about it this way. Yes, you have someone who is extremely powerful. But imagine the bosses, capable of sustaining these attacks. Its about feeling powerful, and taking down strong enemies.

Its also about style, about going crazy with pure inputs.

Its like a fighting game. You don't just KO something in one attack, after all.

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>>379423589
If you want realism you can go outside and start punching people.
Video games are for people who enjoy fun and like playing graphical representations of someones imagination.

You might find this difficult to believe but games like these have a huge fan base and usually get high scores because unlike you people like to play games that are not just mirrors of real life.

You are basically like the Adams family kids thinks its the rest of the world that's insane.

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what are you're favorite subs on reddit bro? :-)

>>379423589
Hack and slash games begin addictive push buttons.

You're getting hung up on the implications that lore has gameplay. Forget about that. in gameplay the moves look powerful cause it's about using cool moves in a combo, it wouldn't be as fun if all of the enemies die in one hit.

It's not about internal consistency but fun gameplay that's cool to watch as well as play. Think of the dexterity required for such a combo in the webm. You also could only use the most optimal moves and enemies would die quicker, but part of the fun is making it look stlyish.

You sound like those normies who hate anything japanese because "they're all flashy and shit it's so stupid"

Are you autistic OP?

>>379423589
>It's just incomprehensible for me how could anyone enjoy this kind of shit.

You're autistic. That's my objective opinion.

>>379423589
because it's like a fighting game but better

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>>379423589

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>>379423589
It's fun.

>he thinks every person who plays the game can do the things youtubers who legit play the game for thousands of hours can do
Normal play is nothing like what you see on youtube.

>>379425792
>Dante glows like a rainbow while going ham

This game predicted Dragonball Super

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>>379423589

>>379423589
I think it's more about the execution rather than how it looks

>>379423589
It's fun as hell
Looks cool as hell
And requires high skill

Not everyone likes to play games where you move like a snail in favor or realistic mechanics.

>pull off a bunch of stylish moves that flow perfectly
>B
>repeatedly perform a cheap exploit
>SSS

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>>379425792
I alwasy wonder what PvP would look like in DMC if it had it.
I bet a match would last for a whole 10 minutes if both players knew what they where doing and it would look pretty cool to boot.

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>>379426502

>>379423589
But it does have rules, these aren't normal humans they're demons, or at least half demons, using magic. If you hit a normal person with those sort of attakcs they would indeed turn into a puddle in a single blow but you're fighting supernatural enemies.

>buy DMC 4 SE
>oh hey this is fun
>mission 7
>ghosts knocking me off disappearing platforms into room with respawning enemies
>kill them and get out
>ghosts knock me off back into pit
>quit game
fuck that stupid shit

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>>379427008
I spent like an hour there

platforming was a mistake

These kind of games are boring to me as well. But my problem is that everything all about getting sick combos. Dodging and maintainence of other mechanics isn't as important. Because of its combo centric nature a lot more time spent just wailing on the boss with nothing changing in game state outside the boss' heath bar. Not to mention how unsatisfying the "hits" themselves are.

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>>379426750

>DMC with PvP element

My dream game desu.

wow look at op, such a faggot

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Here OP, maybe you'll enjoy this game instead

>>379427691
>>379426750
The entire game would be footsies. Cause if you get caught you get 100-0 like in Marvel. My type of game

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>>379427008
>That stupid fucking bonus mission with almost exactly this but the ghosts keep multiplying and respwaning until you get the blue orb
>WHILE THERE IS A TIMER
It's fucking impossible on DMD without having unlucked everything, I swear to god.

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>>379423589

First of all, that webm is modded gameplay. Half of those effects are recolored and that's the DMC1 costume I'm pretty sure. Second, looking at the DT gauge, the player is probably using a multi-trainer with damage multiplier at .4x or some shit like that. Third, sacrificing realism for mechanics is retarded especially for such crazy games like DMC. Second, there is internal consistency in the game. Staying in the air and doing sick combos is completely reliant on mechanics such as jump cancelling and guard flying-- both mechanics that need extensive practice to learn and apply in combos. You can't just jump in the game and start doing these high-level, advanced shit, especially not the type of crazy shit you see in that webm. If you're complaining about the enemies taking too many hits to kill or something like that either play Vergil or git gud. I don't even understand how that's a complaint. Conversely, you can play on Heaven and Hell.

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>>379423589
>BUT MUH REALISM
fuck you OP
These games are designed to be fun. The moves are supposed to be powerful, varied, and feel good, and all the moves are appropriate considering the enemies you face.
>but at least make up your own set of rules that is consistent
But they do have a consistent set of rules? Have you played them?
Honestly, stuff like Dark Souls is designed to be more realistic and grounded, but DS has some jarring stuff like the backstab animation (when you land a successful backstab, the enemy will stop their current animation and instantly go into a neutral standing animation, and both your character and the enemy will slide into place so that your character is directly behind the enemy's back) which feels really unrealistic and out of place for that game, but everything in DMC feels more consistent for that game and that world.

>>379423589
>I don't like it so anyone else shouldn't it either.

>>379428053
I could see that.
I bet all Vergil mains would be smug assholes, just like they are in Marvel.
What's even worse it that Vergil might legit even be better in DMC4 then he is in MvC3.
And that's saying a lot.

>>379428495
>This pic
Lawd. I hope he was being ironic.

>>379428727
piss off tripfag

>>379428391
>jump cancelling
Currently playing DMC3 for the first time, how do I jump cancel?

>>379426750
>I alwasy wonder what PvP would look like in DMC if it had it.
It would be Marvel, one hit and you'd be combo'd to death.

>>379428849
jump on enemies

>>379423589
>How can anyone like the world which has no consistent laws ruling it? I mean, fine, you don't want actual laws of physics to work in your game, fine, but at least make up your own set of rules that is consistent.
Except it has constant rules you dumb fuck

If you want realistic games, go outside, dipshit.

>>379423589
Nigga, what games do you like?

Also, how are DMC's physics inconsistent? How do the attacks not feel powerful? What?

>>379428053

I'm conflicted with this. I like styling hard on fuckers in games like Mahvel with long ass combos, but it sucks to be on the receiving end of the touch-of-death. I could see a mechanic that acts like an stun/shield gauge. You have to deplete it first in order to juggle your opponent in long-ass combos. If it's not depleted, then your combos will be limited since the opponent will fast-fall or autobreak it after a certain amount of hits or time has passed.

>>379423589
I agree it's way too video gamey

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>>379428861
This could be fixed by a simple break mechanic like Guilty Gear or MK has.
Heck the DT could act as a burst since it already has iframes

>>379428849
I know this video is for DMC4 but the same principle still applies. At it's most basic, if you're using a controller, slide your thumb from jump to attack after connecting with an attack. Repeat. You're gonna need some practice. Also, you need to unlock enemy step which is a ability that lets you jump off the enemies in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRH1FVkwTNw

>>379429156
>>379429047
Yeah either of those would work. There would have to be some balance work. Now that I think about it the game would work in that Blade and Soul style but just let people actually get 100-0 after you stun them or something so they're easier to juggle.

The best way to think about DMC is as a dancing game

The surface level "casual" gameplay is just simply beating the game, the actual gameplay is doing it as stylishly as fucking possible.

>>379429475
Devil May Dance Dance Revolution

>>379428849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSvr0yyl9o&t
The easiet and most basic example of jump cancelling is doing a jump during Revolver when you are near an enemy.
But don't worry about this stuff on the first play-though (except for the Leviathan heart boss)

>>379426750
One of my dream games is a 3D arena fighting game with mechanics like DMC but balanced for PvP fighting. Shit would be so tight.

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>>379428053
>get caught you get 100-0
Like this?

>>379429652
Just like Mahvel babee

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>>379427357
Ninja Gaiden is the game(s) you want to be playing.

>>379429225
>>379429625
Alright thanks, I'll check those out.
Also is there any reason to be using the Gunslinger style in this game, tried it out once and it seems like it sucks.

>>379427357
A good offense is the best defense

>>379428026
Not anymore thanks to you cancerous Cuhrazy fags.

>>379429910
Regular old monster hunting is fucked in favor of all the flashy combos. Another IP ruined

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>>379429741
>YFW Ninja Gaiden 4 is announced at E3

>>379423589
Realism is for millenials and also ruined gaming. There's plenty of western games with shit combat for you to play

>>379429459
>here would have to be some balance work.
Yea ofcourse.
I don't think anybody that has actually played the games would think just adding a PvP mode and doning nothing else would be a good idea.
>Blade and Soul
I don't know much about the game so it's hard for me to tell but it doesn't really look like the characters are moving a whole lot.
I know there are evade/parries/backdash skill and all that but in my mind at least DMC PvP would look kinda simelar to Smash in a way.
Lots of mobility until someone gets hit and have to regain the neutral using more maneuvers, just with actual combos.

>>379426750
It would look like unbalanced cheap broken spam unfun mess. All you need to do is look at NG PVP, and that thing is actually salvageable if they bothered to balance shit specifically for it and people weren't such faggots.

>>379430041
Ninja Gaiden. The only action game worth playing

Fuck devil may trash and trashonetta

>>379429797
>Also is there any reason to be using the Gunslinger style in this game, tried it out once and it seems like it sucks.
Kek

Every fucking scrub thinks that Gunslinger sucks, but the truth is that there's no real bad style in the game. Use whatever you like. The thing with Gunslinger is that it greatly buffs your guns, then you'll be using them maybe 50% of the time or maybe even greater. The shotgun and Artemis are ludicrously useful with Gunslinger. Artemis + Multilock is one of the most OP moves in the entire game, and it's really scrub-friendly too, unlike shit like Just Guarding and Royal Release with Royal Guard.

Fuck me, I should go back to DMC3, it's been way too long.

>>379423589
Man, dude.
Your lack of imagination is staggering...
I mean, even adults can imagine out side of the box once in a while.
Also, its a video game, rules of reality are bent for the sake of GaMePlAy.

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>>379430285
>The only action game worth playing
God Hand is pretty good too, albeit very different from all three.
When the fuck is Mikami dropping the sequel?

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>>379430041
It won't happen though :(

>>379430503
man how the fuck did I even beat this game

>>379429094
>too video gamey
what does this even mean?

>>379430285
Hey i love DMC1, 3 was ok but kind of boring besides the bosses and i liked MGR for everything but the gameplay (passable).

Which gaiden is the best? preferably pirateable

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>>379430587
>All the girls in DoA
>And they picked my favorit

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>>379429910
OP can at least try this, it's the most realistic MonHun to date and is emulatable to boot.

>>379430854
Black can only be played on an Xbox 360 or OG Xbox.
PC port when?

>>379430285
DMC1 is a great game, NG wouldn't exist without it. NGB is the GOAT action game though, one of the few actual 10/10's in vidya.

>>379430861
You mean for the porn? It's based on NG not DOA

Praying that Capcom doesn't absolutely cheap out on DMC5 and we get an actually solid experience like 1 and 3.

I'm just going to guess Vergil/Nero/Trish will be part of a season pass or something

>>379431118
>DMC1 is a great game, NG wouldn't exist without it.
Didn't NG enter development at the same time DMC1 was in development?

Also, while we're on that subject, how much did NG influence GoW, if at all?

>>379423835
>>379424054

Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actually think of any real reasons as to why the game is good, don't use it.

>>379423589
That's for people who get really fucking good at the game. Personally, I'm not very good and it still feels like physics are are a factor. A little bit of floating int he air, but unlike the experts, my character will always come falling back down after a bit.

>>379431157
Almost all the girls from NG are stables in DOA. dude.

>>379424527

>that's cool to watch

It's not, tho.

>>379431280
something doesn't have to be objectively good to be fun.

>>379423589
That's called being stylish, kiddo. It's not even remotely pretending to be realistic. They establish as much when Dante gets stabbed in the fucking chest by a giant sword and doesn't suffer even a single scratch.

This is what action games were like before Bamham and Dark Souls took over.

>>379430285
Why do you come in and shit up every DMC thread? Most people that like these games like DMC, Bayo, and NG. You think you're special because you only like one game? For the record, I don't really like Bayonetta, but I don't go in Bayonetta threads saying DMC or NG is better.

tl;dr: fuck off m80

>>379430503
this webbum didn't need to be that long

I didn't know you could guard break him when he activates, that's cool, but the rest is literally up-up-triangle which I'm intimately familiar with

>>379431352
Momiji and Rachel were both only added in DOA5.

>>379429652
>That HP bar
>Taunts at the end
Capcom really nailed Vergil too well.

>>379431519
>bamharm and dark souls
>action games

>>379430698
By cheesing it with god hand and roulette wheel spam. Go do a kms run to redeem yourself nerd.

>>379431670
Whatever they are, their combat systems are getting copied everywhere now.

>>379431267
>didn't they enter development at the same time
Yeah actually, that's pretty interesting I thought DMC was out before that. So I guess NGB owes nothing to DMC.

>>379430854
Don't start with this shit.

Either play Black/2/Razor's Edge or Sigma/Sigma2/Razor's Edge depending on what platform you have, they are all great. PC friends are out of luck.

>DMC will never have pvp
Fml

>>379431280
>Fun is just a buzzword

THATS IT, we crossed that line. We are at the bottom of mud shit that this board can handle.
I'm shutting down this site for good. Await me fags.

>>379431519

I know DMC fans has a special grudge against Bamham, but i love the efficiency of the combat, being able to take down enemies the fastest way possible, instead of attacking the same enemy endlessly just for the sake of style. It has it's appeal.

>>379432356
Just play actual beat em ups, they have the same appeal but aren't braindead and easy.

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>>379432356
The combat in those games is better than DmC at least.

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>>379431352
That doesn't change the fact that it's about NG even if the series do cross over.

The main vilHERO is from NG and it's about the playable Kunoichis.

Also in case you don't know both Rachel and Momiji are NG girls that were featured on DOA, not the other way around.

>>379432356
If you want efficiency, just play Ninja Gaiden.

Bamham is shit.

>>379432509
Are there are any other 3D beat 'em ups as good as God Hand?

>>379423589

If you actually played the game and understood the mechanics, you'd understand how fucking hard this shit is to do and that no many can do it

>>379430587
Studiofow, brb anon, I gotta handle some business

>>379423589
It's a fucking video game you autist, holy shit. Who says it has to be realistic?

>>379431267
I don't see anything of NG in GoW except the gore, but it think GoW got to that on it's own.

>>379430854
Get a 360. Plays black and 2. Xbox one may eventually get a proper remaster of black and 2 will become BC ironing out its only flaws: technical ones

But until that happens, the 360 is the ultimate action console. Having the best controller is just a great bonus

>>379432621
Nope, I meant 2D ones. God Hand's the only one that captured the spirit of 2D beat em ups properly. Well actually theres Dynamite Deka too I guess.

How did we feel about paying as Trish/Lady in DMC4SE? What do you want from them with an expanded moveset?

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>>379431552
That wasn't even me you sensitive special snowflake autist.

>>379433037
The emphasis on blocking, rolling, and counterattacking maybe?

>>379432528
>doesn't get past C
Surely there's a better webm to slam DmC with. Isn't there one where the player gets SSS with three hits?

I had like 150h in dmc4, love the game. Third one too

>>379433206
What are some good 2D beat 'em ups to look into? The only thing close to one that I've played is Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2 and I'm not really sure if those count.

>>379430503
Every time i see footage from this game it looks wack. I don't see what's the big deal.

>>379433449
Any arcade releases by Capcom. The Punisher is good for beginners, so is Cadillacs and Dinosaurs. If you don't mind getting raped mercilessly then you should start with Final Fight on very hard, though. It'll give you a good idea of how intense the games can be. Just don't credit feed.

>>379433360
Really? I haven't played those games since the original release (i like them) but i remember just spamming attacks for the most part. In my memory they felt more like an action game version of Diablo. Maybe i remember wrong, i also played them many years before NG.

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>>379433328
>"sensitive special snowflake autist"
>from the guy who gets triggered at any mention of anything that isn't his shit button-mashing "game"

>>379423589
This is actual autism, not the meme definition.

>>379423589
You're a god damn dumbass. Dante can ride a motorcycle on the side of a bulding and run a long it as well, ride a fucking rocket, etc etc. Law of Physics do not apply to the Sons of Sparta. Now apply yourself.

>>379430854
Ignore this autist >>379433202

>>379432528
MY NAME IS DANTE

>>379434054
>butthurt sonyegro

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>>379433405
Are you thinking about this one from DMC4?

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>>379433461
God Hand is pretty much the only good 3D beat 'em up and it gives you essentially unlimited customization as you pick from over one hundred moves that you can unlock in the store.
In God Hand you're really only bound by your creativity, it's one of the most fun games I've played.

That being said it does have some issues such as no proper NG+ (although I think this was to force people to keep experimenting on repeat play throughs), no level select and the camera can be pretty bad at times.

Because it's fun. You may actually be the embodiment of "no fun allowed"

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>>379434270
>Lose exclusives to rival
>Somehow the rival is butthurt

>>379433929
You won't even get ghostfish with that weak bait anon

>>379423589
This is some smart bait

>>379435078
Xbox still has the best versions and the best controller to play with

The real butthurt comes from sonyegros who stomp their feet and cry when they think they have it all, but really dont. Um, like no sweetie

>>379434359
Dante is unfortunately not balanced for the bosses. DMC4 is a flawed game, but I like it.

>>379432528
I never even played DmC but I'm not judging the combat by a guy getting C rank and doing no damage.

>>379435317
It's pretty sad that you still hung up on a decade old platform war anon. Meanwhile reasonable people get to truly enjoy these games no matter what platform. Must suck to be you.

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>>379435481
>TFW DMC5 is the evolution of DMC3 that 4 tried to be but ended being unfinished because Capcom rushed it out

>>379430041
>Ninja Gaiden 4 is announced
>"We want to focus even more on Ryu as a human bean and have a bunch of other stupid gimmicks that don't matter"
3 was so shit and RE can't even salvage it

>>379435623
Stating facts is a platform war now?

360 has

>ninja gaiden black
>ninja gaiden 2
>ninja gaiden 3 razors edge
>bayonetta
>devil may cry 1-4, dMc
>metal gear rising
>the best controller

Best versions of all these games, best controller, easy to obtain. You must be one of those drama queens who gets triggered when facts are brought up

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>>379431280
Is it summer already?

>>379435750
>WAH WHY CAN'T I FLYING SWALLOW MY WAY TO THE CREDITS SCREEN ANYMORE WAAAAAAH

>>379430007
>Regular old monster hunting is fucked in favor of all the flashy combos
Wait, really? I've never played MH but it always looked fun. I've been waiting for it to come to PS3/4. Was the franchise ruined before I ever got to play it?

>>379433405
There was several where the player gets one for a single hit

And then guaranteed SSS despite 400 deaths in levels

>>379435642
I would love if they also upped the level design into actual gameplay, too. Metroidvania, perhaps?

>>379435928
Sort of like the first DMC?

This is just a button mashing game

>>379435832
Don't use "all" so loosely, PC has the best versions of Bayonetta, DMC4, and MGR and that same controller is the easiest one to hook to a PC.

>>379435832
No one cares, fuck off back to 2007

Last (You), enjoy it.

>>379433405
There a lots.
There where so many that they had to patch the game almost imideiatly after release.
I don't think the DE version has those anymore. But it doesn't make up for the shit gameplay that's the core problem anyway

>>379436154
Yeah but without ninja gaiden, who cares about those games? You take the 360 for NG and its controller, everything else is a bonus

>>379436096
That was closer, but it needs to be even less linear with more backtracking. And not gay mirrored backtracking like DMC4, of course.

>>379435883
Flying Swallow hasn't been that useful since Black

Stop being so stupid

Meanwhile Steel on Bone and shit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlfXuJVn-8 exists

>>379436362
So pretty much REmake but cuhrayzee?

>>379435915
It isn't "ruined," just went a different direction
In X/Gen, Capcom introduced really flashy nonsensical moves and special attacks that sort of take away the core hunting aspect many fans enjoyed; that being one of you against the monsters, nothing but simple attacks and dodging, recognizing the monster's movements to know when you have a good opening for whatever
the new hunting arts and styles add too much for the players to mess around with, giving you more options (which sounds good, but again, it no longer has the same feeling of just gitting gud all on your own), but also did not really change monster AI to reflect the new hunting techniques the game now has

>>379436570
I haven't played REmake, but yeah, more like Resident Evil would be nice. But more like Metroid would be even better. But only if the combat doesn't suffer. I would prefer a linear DMC with great combat over a non-linear one with shit combat still.

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>>379435642
For real.
I would love it if they took DMC1/3/4 and just made it all into a more focused game, with reimagined levels and a prober narrative that actually makes sense.
The scrapped ideas from DMC4 alone is enough to make a whole game on it's own.
I know it's probably not smart from a business standpoint because casuals would just look at it and go
>Huur it's just a glorified HD collection
But i would love it still getting a real reboot

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>>379436747
>I haven't played REmake

>>379436461
Wasn't FS more useful in 2 than Black on the higher difficulties?

>>379436721
That sucks.

I hate the button-mashy, over-animated shit like DMC/Bayonetta/Nioh.

>>379436851
Next Steam sale, I promise.

>>379431280
>Fun is just a buzzword
Fuck off.

>>379436904
Only on Tonfa and Flails

But if we're just talking about steamrolling Ninja Gaiden then we should just talk about UT chaining

>>379436787
What were DMC4's scrapped ideas?

>Or those flashy moves. How does that not bother you, that the attacks are so fast and dashing, lightnings go along the blade and every blow sounds like a thunder,

If I wouldn't know better I'd think you're trying to convince people to play DMC

>>379436461
>Flying Swallow hasn't been that useful since Black

Wow, lying like a biased faggot, how unexpected.

Meanwhile infinite UT chaining and shit like this exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJW8u71ivo

>>379423589

Because it's fun and he's not human, so he's not bound to the whole physics thing.

>>379436904
Yes, it was even better in 2 and so was guillotine throw, izuna drop and counter attack for that matter. He is full of shit.

>>379437192
>>379436461
>DMC doesn't take skill but NG does
>Spam a single move all day
>Chaining literally invincible cutscene attacks
So does everyone just suck Black's dick mindlessly or am I missing something?

>>379423589
I think you need to organize your thoughts before complaining. That's one scatterbrained post right there.

>>379424165
>If you want realism you can go outside and start punching people.
You, I like you. You can come to my house and fuck my sister.

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>>379437572
this has got to be the gayest fucking post i have seen in some time

my goodness you take cuck to a new fucking level

>>379437703
And you've never watched Full Metal Jacket, apparently.

>>379437703
>you take cuck to a new fucking level
Unless he's been fucking his too there's nothing cockoldy about another anon fucking his sister.

You faggots just use the word way too goddamn often.

>>379431280
FUCKING HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF. STOP.

>>379437368
You are missing the fact that you never played these games and are talking out of your ass. You're gonna base your opinion on shitposting and counter shitposting? You sound like an open minded reasonable individual.

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>>379437857
>Responding to nu-/v/

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>>379437091
Something along the lines of
>Most of the first part of the game where you play as Nero the hunt for Dante would have been longer and more focused on Fortuna city and then The Holy orders Base.
>The Order were suppose to have a "Table of Knight" as guardians/bosses (You were suppose to fight Gloria/Trish too on the brige originaly as she was part of the Knights with Credo and Angus)
>Nero was suppose to get more upgrades for his devil bringer that was actually usefull outside the area you were in
>Scrapped levels ofcoures
There is a fuck ton of story bits that's not worh going over but many people theories that Kirey was suppose to be the real big bad of the game, since the the giant destroyer the order made in the concept art Had her face instead

>>379437703
I see they haven't used that FMJ quote in Family Guy yet.

>>379438006
Yea, sorry for all the typos.
It's late here.

>>379434627
It's combat system alone hasn't been topped since it's incarnation. So there's that. Considering it's age, it remains a constant action staple that lives on via emulation forever.

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>First boss is a casual filter
Does every action game do this?

>>379431280
>Fun is just a buzzword
no, Fun is SUBJECTIVE, not a "buzzword"

now how does it feel to get laugh at for the millionth time for the same retard shit spew from /v/irgin's mouth?

>>379437954
Played all but 3 and RE, sorry.

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>>379434359
>>379433405

Style isn't in just how many times you hit someone

>>379437703
Get the fuck out of my board you underage faggot

>>379423589
One of the most plebiest OP posts I've read in a while, good bait though.

>>379437037
This anon >>379437361 says differently

Also really, NG really does have UT chaining, which makes the game substantially easier, not to mention you are overall very well rewarded for it.

>>379437368
Everyone always forgets that high-level DMC play is much more technical, demanding, and harder as well. Sure, enemies and bosses aren't generally as hard as the ones in NG, but consistently jump cancelling, Just Guarding, Just Releasing, guard-flying, etc., are all so much harder to do than anything in NG and that's coming from someone who loves NG almost as much as DMC.

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>>379437703

>>379438136
they kinda have to
that's sorta the reason bosses in general even exist, to make sure you know what the fuck you're doing

>>379438172
No you didn't, and if you did it certainly wasn't on anything past normal.

>>379438006
Oh yea and the coolest one i my opinion that i forgot was that Nero was suppose to be able to "eat" demons with his DB and use their abilities for a short while, kinda like walking ammo.

>>379436721
>did not really change monster AI to reflect the new hunting techniques the game now has

If that's the case, you can just not use the new mechanics, right? I mean, they're not required because all the monsters still act the same.

>>379438382
Yes I did
I disagree with your opinions.

>>379428391
it's just donguri using super dante for infinite DT, damage is still normal

>>379438249
i think he meant technical combos doesn't mean the game is actually hard to beat since they aren't really required.

>>379438249
Bullshit. All it is is muscle memory and nothing more, the game does not demand anything of you. Wether you make or drop the inputs, the outcome will be the same only the combo drops.

I can do dank combos and wall carries on Tekken's practice mode all day, but online i will still get fucking bodied because there is a lot more at play than input execution on a lifeless dummy.

You are delusional if you think otherwise.

>>379438801
Maybe they're not required but DMC heavily encourages creativity and true free-flow combat (for lack of a better term). Being the game not getting hit and doing the most basic attacks is one thing, actually pulling off some impressive shit is another.

>>379438975
>comparing a single-player action game to a multiplayer fighting game
Also it's not entirely muscle memory. Sometimes you get in the flow and start pulling some shit off without being conscious of what you're about to do next. It happens and it feels great. Plus some people can Just Guard on reaction. Shit's crazy.

>>379438469
but therein lies the problem, they added new things only for players, they did not reflect this change with the monsters, meaning the player changes may as well not have happened
if they weren't gonna bother updating AI, why even add all the flashy bullshit?
it's style over substance

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>>379438136
Literally every Ninja Gaiden game famalam

>>379423589
...but it's le CAH-RAZY XD

>>379423589
Dante never even fights him from what I remember, this is a mod, right?

>>379439163
don't use it and it won't affect you

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>>379438514
You clearly didn't

>>379439148
It only encourages it to a point, and the most stylish shit is counterproductive and doesnt give you much score

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>>379438136
I love it when bosses force you to LEARN SOME FUCKING GAME MECHANICS SON

>>379439409
I didn't even learn how to play the game until this boss

>>379439174
Still probably my favorite boss in the entire franchise.

>>379439347
Pretty sure you can still get SS rank from doing a bunch of cuhrayzee shit.

So much pseudointellectual bullshit in this thread. Reminder to not take /v/ seriously when it comes to any game that's remotely "hardcore".

>>379439297
that's a weak argument, anon
if they wanted to add flashy new things, fine, but they should've gone all out and updated the monsters as well
they did not do this, therefore, the overall experience is lesser because of it

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>>379439148
Don't play dumb.

My comparison is 100% accurate. The AI is literally programmed to capitalize on any error you make, the steaks are higher by several levels of magnitude

>>379423589
fuck off back to /sci/ if you care so much about physics loser

>>379437035

He's right. YOU fuck off.

>>379439789
What you said was stupid in the first place. "The outcome will be the same whether you drop the inputs or not," is fucking retarded since you can still fuck up and die in DMC. This, "Hurr, enemies aren't dangerous in the least," meme regarding DMC is bullshit. That's only really true if you're really fucking good at any of the games.

Also call me when you can break bosses and make them look like complete jokes like DMC, and that's without stunlocking them or putting them in loops.

>>379440075
You are fucking delusional, i don't think you ever played a NG game if you think there is even any comparison possible when it comes to enemy AI, especially after the joke that is from 3 on wards.

>Also call me when you can break bosses and make them look like complete jokes like DMC, and that's without stunlocking them or putting them in loops.

Why are you proving my point for me?

>>379427008
You can activate the platforms, step on them to get the ghosts to spawn, then walk back to the starting point and fight them there. Then you just activate the platforms again and walk across without any enemies harassing you.

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>>379439760
not him but i think this where the games split from each other. dmc games seem like they are made to style on bad guys doing things effectively doesn't matter as long as its stylish, ninja gaiden is the opposite where you focus on getting rid of enemies as fast as possible. bayo is kinda both

>>379428337
If you play as Dante you can activate his floating Pandora rocket launcher and just fly across the entire gap and get the orb without fighting any enemies.

>>379440419
Pretty sure I've played every Black, 2, and Razor's Edge.

>>379440624
I think you replied to the wrong person, anon
I was talking about Monster Hunter

>>379439409
>>379439516
>MFW first encountered these guys
What's the best style for these guys, Royalguard?

>>379440754
Then you are full of shit, only a fanboy would make this argument. DMC making the switch to brain dead one trick pony enemies to emphasize MUH CAWMBOS is one of the most blatant and recognized paradigm shifts.

Also your argument was that high level play of DMC requires more skill. Implying anyone is in danger of dying in high level DMC play is massive joke, the same cannot be said about NG.

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>>379437703
wow
just
wow

>>379438445
That would be really cool, I hope they bring that back.

>>379441103
>Also your argument was that high level play of DMC requires more skill.
In terms of sheer technicality, with what DMC demands of you vs. what NG demands from you, DMC kinda does. It's all about whether you think styling on the enemy in ways that you hadn't thought of before, hadn't ever seen before, that might also take a great amount of skill, is more impressive than defeating a really tough boss fight no damage.

>>379441050
I used trickster to great effect.
Lot easier to dodge their stupid combo attacks.

>>379441240
I had this exact idea before, where Nero might absorb some enemies' essences or something, and gain an ability from them for a short while. I had no idea it was an actual idea they had.

Fuck, there's so much they could do with a new DMC game.

>>379440991
nah i didn't i thought you was talking about dmc not mh. my bad

>>379441304
Now this is just going in circles

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>>379423589
It's cool as fuck to fly in the air, teleport around, and be fast as fuck you faggot nu-male.

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>>379435481
And then Vergil came along.

>>379441586
>playingfightwitholdersiblings.wbem

>>379441647
What just happened?

>>379441446
I mean, in a way he does that already given that enemy types have unique throws that can damage other enemies.

>>379441647
FUCK
Was meant for >>379441647

>>379441807
he punched it

>>379441573
Let me put it this way:

Reliably JC-ing an enemy for quite some time, reliably JG-ing a group of enemies, Royal Releasing, etc. all while pulling off combos, or in DMC4's case, guard flying and keeping enemies in the air for long periods of time, is harder than any advanced tech in NG. Yes, NG bosses and enemies are harder, but nothing that you'll input while playing that game will be as demanding as that. In fact, nothing in those games, as far as that, is particularly hard, actually.

>>379441807
He punched it.

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>>379441880
Im going to bed.

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>>379441807
Level 3 charge my man.

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>>379441891
>>379441906

>>379439760
I don't get it. All the arts that anyone uses are just damage bombs or the evades. Why should they have changed the monsters? It barely changes the core gameplay.

>>379441814
Eh, not the same thing. Something like ability absorption would give you an entirely new tool you might use until you either lose it or decide to throw it away for another one or just to go back to 'default' mode.

Another idea I just had could be that you might have CRAZY Buster grabs, where after grabbing an enemy, if you mash the Buster button real quick, you'll get a different throw that might do more damage or have other effects.

>>379442085
>Another idea I just had could be that you might have CRAZY Buster grabs, where after grabbing an enemy, if you mash the Buster button real quick, you'll get a different throw that might do more damage or have other effects.

That's already in the game.

>>379442167
I forgot, is it really? Isn't it only for certain enemies? I'm talking about something that would be universal.

>>379442167
Sorta, not really

>>379423589
Souls games were a mistake.

>>379423589
>>379423589
>t's just incomprehensible for me how could anyone enjoy this kind of shit.

Whats hard about going fast, getting cuhrazy and styling on niggas with a high skill ceiling?

>>379441998
Also, triggering DT as the hit goes out increases damage exponentially.

>>379442256
>>379442291
Basically every grab has a sped up animation and does slightly more damage if you mash the button instead of just pressing it once and letting it play.

Also this, >>379442415 DT changes them completely. Both is particularly true for the boss busters as well.

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>>379441898
Yes, having to be constantly making split section reactions and decisions is easier than just memorizing some fucking combo string. That makes so much sense.

Fuck it, this is going nowhere, i am going to bed. Have a nice "whatever the part of the day it is over there" anon.

>>379433328
>sensitive special snowflake autist.

i wonder what goes on in the brains of people who think and talk like this? not much i reckon

>>379423589
of course this generation WOULD have an OP like this...

no one thought like this back in 2001, faggot!
this series was known for being CURAYZY

fuck you, i hate you

>>379442519
>Yes, having to be constantly making split section reactions and decisions is easier than just memorizing some fucking combo string.
Pretty sure high-level DMC players don't just memorize combos.

>>379442519
>Yes, having to be constantly making split section reactions and decisions is easier than just memorizing some fucking combo string. That makes so much sense.

By that logic Call of Duty is a fucking magnum opus of gameplay complexity.

>>379442515
Yea i know that.
But it's the same move for every enemy and as you said massing the button only speeds up or changes very little.
The guy is talking about actual having a movelist for difference
grabs you could do on all demons regardless of what type they are.

>>379442658
Are most high level DMC players just improvising like crazy in the cuhrayzee combo videos?

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>>379438006
My favorite scrapped DMC idea is this fucking coat.

I think it's also implied there were going to be more DT upgrades, probably like more special attacks abilities.

>>379440751
it is possible to get the orb with both Nero and Dante without turning the platforms on

>>379442515
>DT changes them completely. Both is particularly true for the boss busters as well.
For boss busters, you can also rev the Red Queen to get a different finisher, doing more damage, and also use summoned swords while in DT. Still, >>379442765 is correct. I'm talking about CRAZY grabs being radically different from regular grabs, like an actual movelist difference.

>>379442765
You mean like the crazy combos in DMC3?

I do agree those should come back, they're even fun as fuck in UMVC3.

>>379423589
Oh give me a fucking break. Go play literally any Western game if you want """""""""realistic"""""""" combat

>>379442658
I bet you are actually naive enough to believe this.

>>379442682
Next time just make a food analogy, it will look less embarrassing. Why stick to CoD? Why not compare it to thumb wars while you're at it.

>>379442848
Pretty much, although characters do generally have their BnBs, but then it's not like NG doesn't have its BnBs either.

>>379443051
I mean yes, by your logic thumb wars is a pinnacle of mechanical complexity because you need to make split second decisions and have twitch reactions every second.

>>379442996
Yeah, basically making crazy combos for Nero's Buster is what I meant. Although speaking of crazy combos, they should really come back for Dante in 5 as well. They were really fun and did a lot to add to Dante's depth there. I hated how they took them out in 4.

And yeah, they're fun in UMvC3 as well.

>>379442867
Man a like Dante a lot better with longer hair.
You can say what you want about DMC2 but the hari game was top notch

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>>379443257
Well that was actually Vergil.

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>>379443570
>Vergil in red
What were they thinking?

>>379443189
Why come up with arguments when you can just spin what the other guy is saying.

Eat shit, i should have left while it was still an actual discussion. Yes retard, that's what i meant, that NG is literally nothing but twitch reactions. DMC, the series that was dumbed to shit since it's first iteration is the pinnacle of skill based gameplay, but the NG is just a glorified thumb war.

Get fucked. NOW i am going to bed.

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>>379443915
Goodnight Anon.

>>379442519
>>379443051
>I've never played DMC: The Post
If you truly think there are no reactions in DMC then I feel sorry for you. Sure you can remove the amount of reaction required by playing like a scared bitch but you can do the same in NG and if you aren't rushing it down you are doing it wrong.

>>379424301
OP is complete chusma

>>379423589
being honest, what doees it take to do shit like this? are there tutorials? i would really love to master this combat. I can only do basic shit.

>>379439516
This

It actually motivated me to get better

>>379445460
It just takes loads of practice, but there are tutorials online.

Jump cancelling is the big trick before you can style, but there are tons of other things to learn. In DMC4SE, for example, Vergil has a Just Judgement Cut, which has no wind-up, shorter cool down, increased damage, and can flow smoothly out of regular combos, but you need perfect timing to activate it.

>>379445629
Now you're motivated

>>379423589
The only thing I'm willing to give you is that I never liked playing as Dante in DMC4.

You're being ridiculous for criticizing a character action game for not having realism, despite that aspect being what makes games of its kind so enjoyable.

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>>379445705
I'm trying, it just doesn't make any sense. Pic related I'm trying to do. I swing them up in the air, tap for aerial rave, then gun, but when I tap back and forth it doesn't register it like that, he'll just keep using the full aerial rave combo even if I keep tapping back and forth. I'm on PS4.

>>379447990
Gotta be fast. Not joking you.

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>>379428391
>first
>second
>third
>second

>>379448373
there is no way that's the case. i'm being fast. it feels more like unrealistic timing and some kind of latency that prevents me from doing it but that shouldnt be the case.

>>379423589
(You) sack of shit.

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>>379423589
>Muh realism

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>>379423589
Don't like it don't play it or make stupid threads about shit you don't like. There's plenty of low IQ cinematic experiences out there for you.

>>379448980
i can actually do it sometimes but it seems like unrealistic timing to remember. i don't get it.

>>379423589

I know this is modded gameplay but is it possible to fly like that and stay in the air in the vanilla game too ?

What are some good ps4/vanilla combo players for this game /v/ ?

>>379450468
that's not modded gameplay. Nothing more than the textures were modded.

Also the technique is called Guard Fly and it's 100% legit mechanics.

>>379449730
Have you ever played any other games that are technically demanding with speed? Fighting games, perhaps? Melee?

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>>379448980

I don't know what to tell you. Here's me performing the simple gun juggle but slowed down. You just need some rhythm. A lot of the combos and mechanics in DMC will require a certain rhythm, and a lot of them are different from one another. Muscle memory is your friend.

>>379423589
>Jumps up
>Game turns into button mashing, and combo memorization
That looks pretty jank, and gay desu.I've never played DMC though.

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>>379451402
>Melee
>technically demanding

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>>379448980
You just need to practice anon. it's very easy and there is literally nothing advanced about it. He didn't even JC it like I'm doing.

>>379451369

Can you tell it's 100 percent not modded gameplay ? What is the thing he does at 16sec where he frapidly teleports left and right. Is it a skill ?

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>>379450468
>>379452082

Like the anon said, only the costume and effects were modded. I guess you could count the infinite DT gauge as "modded," but you could easily obtain that with the Super Dante costume. At 16 seconds, he's guard-flying with sky stars. Everything in that webm is possible to do vanilla. You can literally stay in the air for an infinite amount of time with Dante if you wanted to.

>>379451505
>>379451680
Is it just not possible on PS4 with the controller? It feels random to me when I do it. I just can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZoGldzO6M

>>379452605
It's 100 percent possible. There's a certain cadence to it.
Aerial rave slash--->Gun. *miniscule delay*
Aerial rave slash--->Gun. *miniscule delay*
Aerial rave slash--->Gun.

Keep in mind that without JCing, Dante is eventually going to fall faster than the scarecrow and hit the ground. Even with JCing, this happens just at a much slower rate but you can loop it with other abilities like trickster.

>>379452605
stop mashing.

>>379452605
I play on PS3 controller and the PS4 is much better to use.

>>379453354
i wasn't mashing till the end

>>379453013
>>379453805
what do you think is the best button configuration on the ps4 controller to do it?

>>379452575

Awesome, thanks

>>379454256
I just play on Default with weapon/gun switch reversed.

>>379451402
>Melee
>fighting game

You can always do a better combo and that keeps combat interesting and not tedious. Unlike a God of War where you find a go to combo and just repeat that throyght the whole game. It might not even be worth it to switch to a new weapon because it lacks a near infinite juggle or something.

>>379454256

One of the best Dante players ever, Donguri, plays with the default configuration. Although, personally, I put the guns on the triggers, and swap style button and attack button. Also, I use the left-handed claw grip so I can style change faster and easier.

too bad DMC4's level design is just dog shit, couldn't finish that game no matter how hard I pushed myself to do so

>>379451673
https://youtu.be/Jk9z2lKWoaA

>>379454764
>>379454437
i just switched guns to triggers and found a immense improvement.

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>>379455167
>Playing DMC for the level design
3's was trash too but it's still GOAT.

>>379432597

Ninja Gaiden efficiency is boring, tho, 'cause it means spamming izuna drop with no stop.

>>379432509

Not the same appeal, 2D beat 'em ups don't have counters. Also 2D is more boring than 3D.

not an argument

>>379457218
lolz :D

>retarded arguments all around

>>379424083
>Its like a fighting game. You don't just KO something in one attack, after all.
Well, Bushido Blade exists.