Anybody play this game? Heard it's an underappreciated gem.

It's not better, but it's a properly fun shooter. Sadly it didn't get the shine it deserved and was riddled with bugs at release, and overshadowed by Half-Life.
It's still a fun game, with some really good level design and solid shootan.

Yep all the Sin games were awesome as fuck. Total classic FPS games from their era along with FEAR 1.

most gems are underappreciated. especially here.

It was the next (and perhaps final) step in the evolution of Duke Nukem 3D-esque shooters with tons of environmental interaction and character banter with tons of shit you can find and do.
While you're still riding around the train in HL1 you've already blown up a bank with a helicopter-mounted chaingun in this, stole quarters out of a wishing well to call the devs, hacked the bank's account system and transferred the main antagonist's money onto your own account and punched female hostages in the tits for a nip-slip.

>>379408876
Biggest issue (and what killed it back in the 90s) was how incredibly buggy it was due to it being rushed to compete with HL1.
Loading a level took minutes, the first boss wouldn't move, the game would become essentially unwinnable in the stealth mission if you skipped the cutscene at the start, items would have no use and much more.
Thankfully it was all patched but the damage was done.

>>379407180
one of my favourite shooters.
shits on meme-life, but was sadly overshadowed by it.
I miss ritual entertainment.

The game also had location based damage and you could shoot weapons out of enemies' hands. This should be basic stuff that sadly doesn't exist in modern day shooters.

ROCK THE CASBAH

Started strong but the steam ran out after a few levels. The forced stealth section without any meaningful stealth mechanics was pure cancer. Overall it was fun for its time but definitely not on par with Half Life 1

it was pretty gory
I remember you could shoot enemies and they would get these huge bloody entry/exit wounds depending on where you hit them. If you headshot them with the pistol, they would be able to survive the damage sometimes and would keep fighting you with a gaping bloody hole in their head

>>379409190
>Biggest issue (and what killed it back in the 90s) was how incredibly buggy it was due to it being rushed to compete with HL1.
That's not true. It had some bugs here and there like enemies just standing there a couple of times, but nothing game breakingly severe at least for me. I played through it without problems in 1998 (still own the big cardboard box to this day).
It just came out at the wrong time when everyone and his son already jumped on the Half-Life cock sucking train, like every video game blogger has done so with BotW these days because everything else would have looked as tryhard contrarian.

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>>379409415
I remember how I used to play games like Duke 3D and SiN and thinking to myself/dreaming about how insanely intearctive and full to the brim with details future games will be. Heh.
Kids these days actually want less of it. At least that's my impression. They would rather watch let's play than play the fucking games themselves. I don't even know where everything went so horribly wrong.
It's like some accident at CERN happened and threw us all into a fucked up parallel universe.

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>>379410247
>like some accident at CERN happened

>>379409883
It was notorious for the fact that Activision had to send out the main patch on CDs since it was over 30 megabytes.

>>379410247
I wouldn't have such a problem with today's hallway shooters if there was an alternative. The problem is the alternative is autism-sims like ARMA or Squad and I just can't get into those either. I'd love to play an fps these days, but man there is nothing.

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>>379410429
I won't argue with it. It's often the case that a game runs ok for some players, while for others it becomes unplayable for whatever reason.
I'm just saying that I could play through the game just fine in 1998 without a single patch.

>>379411218
Still one of the most satisfying pistols ever. It's just so fucking chunky.

>>379407180
I keep meaning to check this game out. Come to think of it, didn't it get some kind of remake or sequel that no one liked?

>>379411473
A lot of the weapons were.
Remember that (for its time) overly complex expanding animation of the sniper rifle?
That was some of the coolest shit I've seen back then.

>>379410952
Isn't nu-Shadow Warrior 1/2 a little better? I heard they were a bit more old-school in their design. I'm sure they're still a far cry from the 3D Realms title

>>379409883
fuck you. I was there at launch. I was hooked to the demo version of SiN. I got the final game from the store. It was buggy, slow and the worst of all, it gave me my first BSOD. I took it back to the store and replaced my copy with Half-Life. it was the best decision of my life.

>>379409883
also anything after the oil rig mission sucks ass. fuck those underwater and jungle levels. they're horrible.

>>379407180
>Better than Half-Life 1
You heard wrong

Sin was a solid FPS, but wasn't Sin: Episodes one of the first attempts to push the episodic vidya cancer?

i remember barely running it on my old like p166, it was the coolest game out at the time, i only had the demo.

I think even unreal ran better than this even though it was quake 2 engine. I remember the demo started with you shooting people from a chopper in first person was pretty rad at the time. Nothing will ever beat that unreal intro though. I had a voodoo 1 at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqdeyseQAP4

>>379412942
Never played the original Unreal.
Fucking loved the original Unreal Tournament, but as a single player game, how good is Unreal?

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>tfw Relic fell for the episodes meme and we'll never ever get more SiN
One of my all time favorite games, OP. I would definitely check it out if you like old school shooters.

>>379413736
Shit, meant to say Ritual there of course.

>>379412942
What was even cooler in the chopper section was the outcome would change on certain conditions, I can't remember if it was how much damage you took or if you blew up certain parts of the building but I distinctly remember you would either land on the roof or outside the front entrance.

>that tie-in animu that kills the best character in the game in the first five minutes and turns into your generic sci-fi schlock

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>>379407180
Who's your favorite SiN female character?

I remember I played the demo.

At the end you had to jump down a hole in the bank for the next level to begin, but it was just a demo.

I enjoyed the minigun at the beginning desu

>>379414214
Wait, is that chick from SiN?

>>379407843
It also ran like shit in contemporary hardware.

>>379414276
It's from the game that literally killed the series, yes.

>>379407987
You mean the one game? an episode is not a game, it's an episode of a game.
Not a full game.

>>379407180
DON'T SHOOT MY JETPACK, BLADE

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>>379414276
Yeah, that's Elexis Sinclaire the main antagonist of the series. That's her in SiN Emergence.

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2004 was a great time to be a fan of Bianca Beauchamp

I was kid playing it and I was really terrified by the fact that they turned you into a monster in one of the mission.
Nightmare fuel

>>379414678
>tfw ashamed to know the name

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>>379410247
That's just the thing the young ones don't really understand.
It's not that oldfags enjoy their jaded cynicism -not much, anyway-; it's that they played amazing games in their time, and used to dream of how even more amazing things could become once computers became more powerful, and then it all kind of... ended up like this.

>tfw hope was just the first step on the long road to disappointment

>>379410247
Last I checked first person shooter """fans""" berated games that used environmental storytelling and world interactivity and claimed that it killed the genre because we need to be killing things every second at 60mph and every shitty ill executed game after it were blamed on these pioneers.

>>379412276
Not the game's fault if all you had in 1998 was a Pentium I 133Mhz with a 4MB OEM Ati card.
>>379412363
>fuck those underwater and jungle levels. they're horrible.
I liked them. The music was baller too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1rSJ4gqh4&list=PL48D215D47FD7DA5E&index=9
>>379411963
>Remember that (for its time) overly complex expanding animation of the sniper rifle?
Coolest fucking sniper rifle to this day in any video game, ever.

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Why does this game not work on GoG?

Galaxy wont even let me install it.

>>379415942
Dunno, anon. I was just about to buy it because it was on sale. Hopefully, you're just running Memedows 8/10
I'm still running Windows 7

>>379415670

I hate Doomfags and Quakefags that act like that. They are fucking cancer.

I mean Doom and Quake are good games, but no they are not the best the FPS genre had to offer. The Build engine shooters are better than anything Id ever did.

>>379416071

I am on Windows 7 too. It still works, you just have to download it the old way from GoG's website and use the manual installer. It just doesn't work with GoG Galaxy. Which is a shame, because I have this on Steam too and the steam version works like fucking garbage. The GoG release is much better. I just wish they would fix this glitch with the Galaxy installer.

>>379416081
Honestly? I think Dook 3D is the best FPS ever made, hands down.

I think I'm a minority though...

>>379416480

I really enjoyed Shadow Warrior 1997. Fuck I love the aesthetics and level design in that game. But the only problem is sometimes the level design can just be uninspiring and shit, and other times it can be fucking god tier. But playing SW 1997 with all the expansions now there is a fuckload of content and I think I burnt myself out on it when I played through last time. But going back and playing a few of the good eps to show a friend and I was just thinking how much better it feels to play than Doom or Quake (which I've been playing recently).

>>379414678
Supposedly she had a hardcore home video of sorts. Don't know if that was just a rumor though...

>>379415670
>Last I checked first person shooter """fans"""
Stopped reading there, you're desperate for replies.

>>379417853

>hardcore

Who fucking cares holy shit. This genre is porn is as bad as cuckolding.

>>379414678

Holy shit they actually got Bianca Beauchamp to model for this game? Fucking neat. I still find galleries of her online too she's pretty fucking good looking.

>>379418072
Her tits are fucking gross.

>>379418292

Go back to jacking off to Marie Rose you fucking pedo.

>>379411797
the sequel was breddy gud but it was meant to be episodic and the company went under before they could get past the first one.

>>379418341
It's a terrible boobjob, get over it.

>>379418759
Is the sequel any good? Looks like you can't get it on GOG, which is a shame...

>>379418853
I would get it on sale if you like the first one, just remember that it's just the first episode in a series that never continued. The first one is much better but get it on gog because that version is uncensored and has the expansion pack.

>>379418072
>Who fucking cares holy shit. This genre is porn is as bad as cuckolding.
Is this a new meme? It's been cropping up a lot lately.

>underappreciated gem
>Better than Half-Life 1
>all this gushing ITT
It's not a horrendously bad game but jesus fucking christ you guys.

>>379419110
>because that version is uncensored

If I remember correctly the "censorship" amounts to little more the removal of a very small number of inconsequential textures that contained copyrighted material, it's not like they cut gore out of the game or something.

>>379419580
>>379419110
Aww man, no tits?

>>379410247
>what is Half Life, Deus Ex, Bioshock, Prey, Dishonored, newer Fallout games, VTMB
You're delusional if you think the amount of interactivity in FPS games and similar games hasn't increased. These series were just off the top of my head I am sure there's more. Chances are that you're probably 16-18 years old and have no clue what you're talking about.

>>379419580
a lot of textures were replaced even outside the magazine covers and the secret elexis nude skin was removed. also not having the expansion is pretty big and i don't think you can buy it separately from episodes on steam, only as a bundle.

>>379419181

>Instead of using my imagination about what I am gonna do to this lewdly dressed/nude girl on my screen, I will just watch ANOTHER GUY fuck this girl that I am very attracted too
>Cuckolding? Haha, no I am not a cuck, I just watch hardcore

>>379419768

There's is a patch for the Steam version that puts it all back in, including Wages of Sin.

>>379419724
>newer Fallout games
Stopped reading here

>>379419724
>and have no clue what you're talking about.
Apply yourself, ragemaster.

>>379409190
>Loading a level took minutes
I always just thought my PC was slow at the time, but then I replayed the game a couple years ago and it was STILL slow despite using a modern rig.

It was like the engine was bottlenecking itself hard and you can't simply bruteforce 1-2s load times given its age.

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>>379419648
>>379419110

>yfw

Based gog. Fucking kek.

>>379413736
>Episode 1 did make profit
>Just not enough for them to warrant the risk of following it up
Bit of a shame, since Ep2 would have cost less to make since they had their framework and pipeline all figured out at that point.

>>379420334
Same reason why tons of shit happening in Half-Life or any of its mods will make the framerate tank itself despite having GPUs 10000% faster. A Sven Co-op developer posted a breakdown on its forums on why Goldsource shits itself.

>>379419958
That guy in your imagination isn't you and you're actually not having sex with the lewdly dressed/nude girl in your imagination, so are you actually cucking yourself in your mind?

I'VE GOT A WEAK SKULL BLADE

>>379420163
>>379420165
Didn't disprove my point. Supposedly "older" anon said that FPS style games didn't evolve in terms of interactivity, I gave examples of games with FAR more interactivity than either sin game.

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Today I will remind them.

>>379420464
Only seemed to shit itself any time there was a scripted event which triggered some form of change in environment geometry.

My guess was it was due to the game recalculating the collision boxes for the environment on the fly or some shit. Got a link to the post? Could use some reading material.

>>379420409
That's Julie Strain I recognize that woman anywhere.

>>379420443

From what I recall it wasn't like some evil publisher shut down the project despite making a profit, Episode 1 was self funded but it pretty much bankrupt them and so they had to sell the company. The new owners had no interest in their previous work, they just wanted a development studio they could use for their own stuff. Apparently most of the devs jumped ship after the buyout anyway so the studio was pretty much dead.

>>379421293
It didn't bankrupt them. It just literally didn't make enough profit to warrant investing more back into it. But the project did break well above even.

>>379421293
>>379420443
Night dive should buy up the IP. They seem to have been doing that with lots of classic IPs.

Maybe they could fund a new game.

>>379421865

They didn't sell the company for fun, anon, they were financially in a very bad place. The game did not do well enough to keep the company running, much less make it worth further investment.

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>>379419724
>those games
Congratulations for missing the point entirely and winning the retard of the month award.
High school must have been a tough nut for you to crack with all those context based tests.

>>379420674
There is nothing to disprove.
If you can't fathom your own logical fallacy, you are no more than a chucklefuck. Although talking to downies and trying to exmplain to them how and why they are wrong is rather weary. So I will simply ignore you henceforth.

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>>379420865
thanks

>>379421002
I finally found it deep in my history. It's really good to finally know why modern GPUs would still see like 70 fps in Half-Life multiplayer when there's a fuck load of players and blood decals.

http://forums.svencoop.com/showthread.php/43228-A-very-technical-explanation-regarding-the-engine

tl;dr goldsource actually sucks like anything Valve does

>>379407180

>Better than Half-life 1

LOL

>>379422274
>>379422658
>can only shittalk and not bring up any points
Oh, what a surprise, lewronggeneration autists can't come up with actual points when they got exposed.

>>379413275
Gameplay is less interesting than say Doom but most other things such as visuals, in both quality and variety, and music are better. It even has storytelling and puzzles. Worst thing about the game is just that some of the weapons suck and there are some extremely annoying flying enemies that luckily go down pretty fast. It has some secrets but they kind of suck. It's mostly just escorting non hostile npcs so that they'll open a wall for you or crawling through a dark tunnel to grab some ammo and flares at the end. There are also quite a few platforming segments that are relatively fun.

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>>379407180

Thanks for the reminder OP. Been on an old FPS kick and just nabbed NOLF 1+2 and Shogo. I'll add this to the list.

>>379423175
The only real dumb part from reading that is how the OpenGL renderer was implemented. Cheated physics were expected because the game needed to run on a 200mhz pentium at the time. Other stuff seems rather minimal given the time of the game.

>>379423175
>tl;dr goldsource actually sucks like anything Valve does

Honestly, reading through that page it seems to be less a case of Valve sucks and more a case of "This shit is all woefully old techniques that don't work well anymore and your typical mish-mash of get it working patches and undocumented code that is difficult to maintain." It's easy to judge in hindsight but you have to remember this is an engine built to a deadline in 1998 for 1998 hardware and it's capabilities and it's based on an engine built in 1996 for 1996 hardware and it's capabilities. Some things, like complaining about the lack of scalability, is just silly. This is not a DBMS where you code for scalability first and performance second, this is a videogame that has to run in realtime in a reliable but not necessarily accurate manner.

I'm not a huge fan of Valve and I know there are much better devs out there but it doesn't seem like this is all that bad, it's just not great.