Can we finally agree that Wind Waker was better than Empty

>>379364235
botw isn't even a real zelda game. no idea why /v/ shat its pants over a ubisoft open world walking simulator clone

>WWfag calling BOTW empty

Oh I'm laffin

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>>379364329
because it's beautiful?

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You should actually play the games you're making threads of before posting.

I'm still on my first playthrough, clocking something around 50 hours, and I've so far only done ONE (1) main story quest line. One.

>these lowest of the low copy/paste bait threads get replies

/v/ - Cancerous Shithole

>>379364235

Nope. Every other 3D Zelda is better but BotW is basically a better WW at its core with some modern embellishments.

>>379364415
I'm still on my first playthrough of Far Cry 7, clocking something around 623 hours, and I've so far only done ONE (1) main story quest line. One.

>>379364687
>but BotW is basically a better WW at its core

wind waker is linear until you get the master sword

botw is open world 1 hour into the game

>>379364235
i want someone who actually believes this shit to explain their reasoning

>>379364838
>i want someone who actually believes this shit to explain their reasoning

it had actual dungeons
it had item progressions
(botw does not even have grappling hooks)
weapons don't break, but you can still pick up enemy weapons
better melee (can forward slash for example, and qte flurry rush is just one hit, not god of war combos)
an actual story
fun sidequests

>>379364235
It's my favotite Zelda game, I always thought BotW looked like burger shit.

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>>379364995
>I always thought BotW looked like burger shit.
seriously?

>>379364415
Why are you implying that that's a good thing?

>>379365064
Burger shit, as in westernized.

>>379364779
He said better.

>Botw
>empty

6/10 you nearly got me. Nice try. Now go get ready or you'll be late for school.

>>379365305
Open world is shit.

>>379365323
why don't you go hunt some 900 korok seeds

>>379364235
>>379364393
>>379364415
>>379365064
I'm convinced the same NEET shitposters and fanboys make these threads out of boredom. Same images every thread, same arguments from both sides every thread.

>>379364235
No. BOTW fixed a lot of the problems I had with TWW as an "exploration" game.

>>379364393
>G-Graphics don't matter, it's all about the gameplay
>/v/ says games are shit
>Look at all these graphics
Why are nintendorks hypocrites?

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no soundtrack
why?

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>>379364235
Is it bad I like both?

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>>379364995
>burger shit
isn't this the same game that has Purah?

No, Wind Waker is boring as shit.

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>>379364393
stop embarrassing yourself and post something from Xenoblade instead. that looks empty as fuck

>>379365548
art =/= graphics

stupid sonny

>>379364235
I love both but WW is way emptier.

>>379365548
Graphics =/= art direction

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>>379365580
XCX has good art too.

>>379364779

WW is at its absolute best when you're sailing across the sea and discovering new islands. BotW's exploration is similar, but does that same thing with a far larger world with far greater detail and with notably less tedium. It takes WW's one true claim to fame and straight up improves upon it. Also brings back the enemy weapon mechanic and again, actually does something with it. Other things that WW was above average at were grottos and item-based combat, which BotW do better, especially the former thanks to its shrines but the situational use of items is no slouch either. Both of them have a pretty weak dungeon game but the Divine Beasts are more interesting than anything WW throws at the player, and it even has the good sense to strip away most of the linear progression that WW was godawful at anyways - does anyone actually enjoy the pacing of WW's main quest? Everything that was noteworthy about WW, BotW did better - not necessarily great in some instances, but still better than WW - while avoiding almost everything it explicitly did poorly. Only thing WW really has going for it now is its artstyle and being one of the better standalone stories in the franchise.

That all said, BotW is still worse than the other 3D Zeldas because fuck just being a better WW, WW wasn't very good.

>>379364415
Do you think that's good? There quests are just artificially inflated, it's all padding, to make the game seem longer.

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>>379365681
>posting the shitty wrpg instead of the first game

>>379364235
Things BotW brought to the table:
> Great gameplay
> Beautiful scenery
> A fresh take on what a Zelda game is

What it left behind:
> The more eccentric gizmos (hookshot, for starters)
> Any semblance of a real story
> memorable characters (although this was never a Zelda strong suit)

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>>379365713
>Both of them have a pretty weak dungeon game but the Divine Beasts are more interesting than anything WW throws at the player,
wow.

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>>379365713
You can't do this in BotW though, because BotW got rid of every single series staple item.

>>379365713
>>379365794
I'd argue both have weak as fuck dungeons, but WW is worse for having more shitty ones.

>>379365794

It is not hard to be better than WW's dungeons.

>>379364957
>better dungeons
I disagree. The puzzles in BotW are much better, plus hyrule castle is better than anything in WW
>actual time progression
Also exists in BotW, but to a lesser extent
>weapons don't break, but you can still pick up
And you never ever do it because it's not required, hence a wasted feature
>better melee
Who cares when you can just mash 2 win?
>actual story
Yeah
>fun side quests
Exist in BotW as well

>>379365595
>>379365645
What art direction? Do you mean overly saturated colors to hide the lack of good texture work?

>>379365840
>ice rod or ice arrows and a club
???

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>>379365908
Imagine being this blind to beauty

>>379365840
You can't magnesis in WW either

What a shit comparison

>>379364235
It's the 3D Zelda I'm least likely to replay, because it's the worst one.

>>379364329
>look mom, I'm shitposting

>>379365857
>>379365880
Name one 3D Zelda with good dungeons.

>>379365681
There is no game that will ever match the love I had for that and XC.

I love RPG's where the stats actually make a difference and you can end up ridiculously powerful.

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>>379365840
>You can't do this in BotW though
Do what? You can freeze enemies and shatter them. You can blow them with wind too.

>>379366015
Skyward sword

Fuck you nigger

>>379365967
All i see is the zelda cartoon in 3D

>>379365476
The threads are probably made by BotWfags so they can reply to their falseflags with their same recycled defenses, holy shit they make TPfags seem bearable in comparison. >>379364415 is a great example, it's filled with typos, half the shit he listed is either mediocre side quests or something that would pass as minor side-content in any actual Zelda game. Ironically, they probably didn't even play the game themselves judging by their wanted/got section, where they compare artwork of a dungeon from Zelda 1 with an area from BotW which only exists to house a tower at the very top. There's no dungeon, you can't go inside of it, it only exists for a short climb to the top so you can get a map of the surrounding area.

>>379366035
Is that a shader for minecraft? Looks cool.

>>379365770
You fucking retards need to stop complaining about the story. Video games will always be worse than movies and books at telling a linear story, instead BotW plays to the strengths of the medium to tell a unique free-form narrative that's built around the player's path. This is how open world games should be written.
You know how the Witcher 3 is all about finding Ciri? Yet Ciri is nowhere to be found in the world. The 95% of the time you spend doing side quests bring you nowhere closer to finding her, and your three big main quests are completely pointless because you know in advance that they'll just unlock another quest chain to actually find her. It's shit writing and shit game design.

>>379366108
Yeah, hyrule castle is a much better example of got and expected. No idea why the fortress meme came from

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>>379365840
>You can't do this in BotW
Have you even fucking played BotW?

>>379365840
How do you get through BotW without finding a single hammer?

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>>379366108
>SEETHING

it's okay sony friend, you can emulate it on pc now

>>379366218
You really want to know?

Of course he didn't, or if he did he didn't even bother trying the items out

Saying BOTW is a bad game makes people think you're retarded. And since you're anonymous, this by extension means that you're making me seem retarded. So stop it.

Also WW was hated before, during and after release for good reason. You only liked it because you were 7 and because it "looks nice" but plays like hot garbage.

>>379366234
Because I preferred using boomerangs.

>WWfag calling other Zelda games empty

Toppest of keksa

>>379366015

OoT and TP fare the best, MM and SS are hit and miss, BotW and WW scrape the bottom of the barrel. If we're judging them by complexity though then they all range from poor to mediocre. Judge them by their gimmicks though and they can be fairly inspired and engaging. Generally speaking, 2D Zelda design will beat 3D more often than not for those looking for any kind of challenge. 3D design tends to just be silly fun, unless it's WW then it's unrepentant mediocrity.

>>379366293
WW fags are really hilarious why they call BotW empty kek

>>379364415
thats a pretty based shit down your throat image t b h

>>379366193
I want to go back and finish the game so I can see how Hyrule Castle is for myself, I got tired of it after the third Divine Beast and stopped to play other games.
>>379366242
Literally only proving my point, you are a fucking embarrassment to the rest of the Zelda fanbase.

>>379366305
>you can't do this in the game because i prefer a different weapon

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>>379366470
>the rest of the Zelda fanbase.
tumblr?

LMAO @ the salty WWfags getting absolutely blown the fuck out

>>379366470
Replying shitposting with shitposting is a totally valid reaction

Who gives a shit? Get off your high horse, 4chin isn't you to police

>>379366242
>pointing out that Zelda fans shitpost amongst themselves means you're a sonywhatever
thread is wwfags being retarded shitflingers or some other game's fans false-flagging
either way it's terrible

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why are botw fags so thin skinned?

>>379366707
I get most of those, but which part of the game was edgy?

>>379366965
all his friends are waifus have been dead for 100 years but he's goofing around and having fun cooking paellas and hunting stupid korok seeds without a care in the world.

>>379366965
Revali

>>379367043
>>all his friends are
and*

>>379365770
> memorable characters (although this was never a Zelda strong suit)
It's probably the most memorable Zelda in the series though

For once Zelda is the in-over-their-head character trying to live up to their destiny while Link already has everything

>>379365770
>Any semblance of a real story
Yes, they really should have gone for another Generic Hero's Journey this time around, too.

Can we finally agree that OP is a faggot that got BTFO?

>>379367337

Nah, he'll just remake this thread in a few hours.

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>>379367183
>It's probably the most memorable Zelda in the series though

wew lad

>>379366029
we don't know each other but be warned that a wizard thinks you are his niggah

>>379367407
>le generic pirate tomboy
yawn

>>379367407
>not even the third best zelda
Why are wwfags so shit?

>>379364393
that looks like utter shit you massive retard

>>379367407
>generic, but likable tomboy
>immediately goes to shit once she becomes Zelda

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>>379367183
>It's probably the most memorable Zelda in the series though
Nope.

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>>379367673
>that nose
OY VEY

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>>379367407

ahem

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>>379367407
Tetra was cool as a pirate, which was like a whopping three scenes. And only two of those involved pirate things.

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>>379364235

Why can't you just like both of them?

>>379364415

As for this, I have a ps4 and even like botw. I'm not gonna go buy a whole system just to play it but I'm not hating on it.

STOP BEING A FAGGOT AND GENERALIZING ALL PS4 OWNERS

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Breath of the Wild is a good game. Have to confess that I pirated the game but it's pretty fun and looking forward to getting my Switch soon.

>>379367805
>Why can't you just like both of them?
I do.
I never thought I would see the Zelda fan base turn into the worst one on /v/ though.

>>379367820
I hope your Switch arrives quickly without any problems and you can enjoy some vidya, faggot.

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>>379367892
>>379367805
they don't know about the zelda cycle

>>379367892
>I never thought I would see the Zelda fan base turn into the worst one on /v/ though
Far off from being Metroid.

>>379367765
This. The scenes with Tetra were fantastic and I was hoping for more hanging with her and her crew. Any hours of that are nearly instantly dashed with her becoming Zelda pretty early on.

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>>379367993
Fair point, I hope Retro announce another Donkey Kong or new IP this E3 just so I can see those autists have a meltdown.

>>379367820
Remember to switch to dark theme ASAP.

>>379367993

To be fair, Metroid fans/threads draw the ire of ACfag. That's not exactly enviable.

>>379367958
Isn't that cycle dead? No one is praising Squidward Sword retroactively. people who hate botw just praise other shit now.

>>379368201
>>Isn't that cycle dead?
>thread has over 100 replies

>>379368201

True. SS has always been pretty divisive here and that hasn't really changed with BotW. There are people that defend SS but there have always been people that defend SS.

>>379368248
>Wind Waker is the previous original game
I want to see what hoops you jump through to deny the existence of every Zelda game after it and before BotW

>>379368357
SS was a wii wagglan tech demo

TP was never played by me

>>379368248

Comparing the 6th 3D Zelda to the 3rd, sure. That's not exactly how the cycle works. What would happen in theory is that people would miss the linearity and dungeon orientation of SS in the wake of BotW. THEN we'd be following the cycle but that doesn't seem to be the case.

>>379368248
>previous original game
>Wind Waker
>from 2002

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>>379368425
>people would miss the linearity and dungeon orientation
that's the most common complaint about botw bar weapon durability

>muh 120 shrines
>i wanted 8 good dungeons
>world is too big, my feet hurt

>>379368546
What region is in the far left image in the second row from the top, do you know?
Looks neat.

>>379368546
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/1493945073796.jpg/
remember to take a break every now and then!

>>379364235
Better in some ways and worse in others. But it suffers from a lot of the same problems.

>>379368586
probably north-west since I have yet to see it

>>379368546

Yes, but no one misses the way SS did it, or if they do it's not particularly well perpetuated. The point of the cycle is a direct comparison between the current game and its immediate predecessor, namely that said predecessor is now good even though it was hated when it was new and the new game is bad until it attains predecessor status. That is the Zelda Cycle.

>>379368546
It's a 100% valid complaint though.

>>379368546
>wanting 8 good dungeons is a bad thing

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>>379364415
>Help a shy dude get a date

I don't remember that mission. Are you referring to Bolson? Dude wasn't shy, he was a fucking ladykiller. He asked for a Gerudo woman so she can make clothes and he ends up marrying this bitch, are you kidding?

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>>379368698
it's a 100% proof whoever says it has not played the game.

>>379368772
I think it's referring to the guy who is at the heart pond by Hateno, what I want to know is about the murder mystery in Kakariko.

>>379368425
I've seen people praise TP more than SS in response to BotW but still see some SS praise here and there.

>>379368586
It's west of Hyrule Field

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>>379368774
>Not having the OLED Vita.

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>>379368950
Not my pic buddy

I have the oled

>>379368772
lover's pond quest

>>379368862

True, though TP has kinda been up and down throughout the "SS era". It was on the up and coming immediately after SS's release, kinda hit a downturn after the HD remaster, and is looking back up a bit again after BotW. Though honestly, talking about TP in particular is weird for me because I've always been a fan of it personally but those are the patterns I noticed.

>>379368996
Good. I would respect someone who has a PSTV over the LCD Vita.

>>379369108

>tfw 3G OLED Vita

Such a useless feature but whatever.

>>379369201
It's what I got, too. But that was the only OLED version they had left when I picked up my Vita.

>>379369201
>>379369248
Same but the coming Memory adapter uses the 3g slot (since it's usb internally) so we're the only ones who will get cheap microsd storage down the line

Soon™

>>379369327
Cool. I already got the 64GB card (still raw about that), but it's good to know affordable memory is coming down the pipes.

>>379369327

Wait, what now about microSD and Vita? This is news to me.

No because it was even more empty.

Wind Waker is fucking barren. Even the main quest is just wandering around looking if shiny things for like 1/3 of it.

>>379369438
Only for the 3G OLED models.

>>379369514

Which I have.

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>>379369438
http://wololo.net/2017/05/30/psvita-3g-memory-card-adapter-indiegogo-campaign-yifan-lu/

>>379364415
Kek OP got BTFO.

>>379365743
>BotW has no content!
Anon posts a fuckton of content
>That-that doesn't count!

Everytime.

>>379369583

Interesting.

>>379369092
My opinion on TP changes all the time depending on what parts I dwell on the most. It's probably the zenith of the OoT formula both good and bad so I'm glad they're moving on from that but I definitely appreciate what it got right after playing BotW.

>>379368772
No it's a different npc. There a heart shaped pond near the fishing village.

There's also a broken heart shaped pond near Hateno but I've no idea if you can actually help that dude or not.

>>379364415
I did most of those quests and they're bland as shit. I dropped the game before finishing all four divine beasts and forgot all about it.

I've no need to defend such a mediocre game since I didn't pay for it. My Nintenbro of a roommate bought it day one and rushed through the beasts and main boss, forgot all about it too and left it for me to fuck around with.

What's most outlandish is people claiming the shrines or 900 korok seeds as a good thing. They're just a handful of identical puzzles such as "find missing rock" and "walk into flower". Is that really what you idiots call thought-out content and smart puzzles? You don't even need those seeds for anything, it's hardly worth visiting FPS Drop Village to get the upgrades.

>b-but it had mind-blowing mechanics such as climbing and camera
Yeah, right. Those were great ideas but in reality climbing is just blankly staring at a low-texture rock wall for several minutes or giving up because it started raining. The camera gives you nothing but "sword_model_4 this type of sord is made in desert land" or "blue goblin is like red but strong" "black goblin is the fucking storong more than blu"

>>379367407
I always hated how as soon as she revealed to be Zelda it immediately strips her of her spunky personality and she becomes regal and boring as fuck.

>>379369676
>a fuckton of content
that's like someone going "wind waker has a ton of content" and bringing up the figurine gallery
wait, no
it's literally the same as defending the ocean

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>>379369919
It's a metaphor for women after marriage

>>379364235
BOTW is definitely overrated but what you're saying is completely stupid.

Is BOTW playable on the CEMU yet?
Like, can you clear it?

>>379370320
>Is BOTW playable on the CEMU yet?
>Like, can you clear it?

Yes.
Post specs and will tell you if YOU can

>>379369874
>What's most outlandish is people claiming the shrines or 900 korok seeds as a good thing.

First of all, nobody is claiming that the content in that image is "mind-blowing" or "revolutionary". It is simply a *SMALL* list of some of the things you can see and do. The side quests are no more complex than the side quests you get in ANY Zelda game. Bar a few exceptions, Zelda sidequests have always had the same rewards- heart pieces or rupees. Which is exactly what you get in BotW, the heart pieces have been replaced by spirit orbs but they're the same thing. Nobody bitches about the content in other Zelda games, it's almost like people desperately want to find something to complain about with BotW, hmmm?

You're complaining that the korok seeds are worthless. Collecting them expands your inventory letting you carry more and more weapons. Which is great considering how many people bitch about the weapons system but they can't into game design.

With both the shrines and the korok seeds, exploration is incentivised through player empowerment (standard Nintendo game design philosophy).

>in reality climbing is just blankly staring at a low-texture rock wall for several minutes or giving up because it started raining

Ok, now I realise that I'm just wasting my time talking to you.

>>379370018
Ocean is much much emptier though, with less puzzle, NO enemies and 0 NPCs

>>379365476
That could be said about most of the threads these days.

>>379364415
I started playing when it came out and i still have a small portion of Eldin and the whole Central Hyrule to explore (mostly because of Koroks).

>>379370406
Thanks.
My computer is really nothing special though.

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
RAM 8 GB
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

>>379370525

Eh, the ocean and BotW's world are handled more similarly than you think. WW does have minor landmarks like submarines and watching posts to conquer, enemies like sharks, boats, and octoroks, events like the Ghost Ship, and such. Its world isn't all THAT empty but BotW definitely takes what it accomplishes and not only does it better but does so while replacing the notion of sailing with climbing, paragliding, and good ol' fashioned on foot exploration. Basically, it is the same as WW's ocean but it is done much better.

>>379370770
>the ocean and BotW's world are handled more similarly than you think.

What? No they fucking are NOT. They're completely different design philosophies.

>>379370731
If that cpu can boost close to 4.0 GHz you can play

If 3.30 is max, you're gonna be at 15 fps

>>379370968
>They're completely different design philosophies.
Are you retarded?

>>379371017
Cleary you don't understand fuck all about game design.

>>379370982
Okay thanks, I'll try to see if I can boost it and I'll give the game a shot if it works!

>>379371079
Cleary you don't understand fuck all about game design.

>>379370968

Not really. Before BotW, WW's sailing was the closest the series had been in many years in regards to capturing the spirit of Zelda 1's overworld exploration and discovery. BotW is very much a universal evolution and expansion of what WW did, and that's hardly a bad thing when WW wasn't bad at it for its time. It's everything else that it sucked at.

>>379370495
Yeah korok puzzles aren't meant to be strenuous, it's about being on the lookout for something that looks a little suspicious. Also the korok puzzles are generally fun for what they are, target balloons especially.

>>379370770
I'm pretty sure I've read a few different articles/interviews that the zelda team took a lot of ideas from working on WWHD so they probably did want to try to recreate the ocean in a way. Now that I think about it shrines do fill the same role as those small islands in WW so the similarities seem far from coincidental.

Both BOTW and WW are fucking garbage, but for different reasons.

MM > OOT > TP > SS = BOTW > WW

>>379364235
WW is my second favorite after BotW. Breath just has more to do

>>379367183
>It's probably the most memorable Zelda in the series though
Memorable for all the wrong reasons.
All I can remember of BoTW Zelda was she having a thick ass and a horrible English VA that destroyed any scene she was in.

>>379370982
I play at 28 fps on an I7 2600 at 3.8 with its old ass IPC unlike his newer and pretty better CPU with its nice IPC

>>379371270

Yay Zelda rankings.

TP > OoT = MM >>> SS > BotW > WW

TP aside, we're pretty close.

>>379371320
Same on my i7-3770 @ 3.9

>>379371290
>He didn't play in Japanese

>WWfags this triggered that even BotW had better dungeons than WW

lmao

>>379371361
>TP aside, we're pretty close.
Yeah I'd rate it higher, but like many others I never digged the wolf parts. Other than that, great taste.

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>>379371387
I can't read moonrunes

>>379371447
Nigga you can play Jap voice and eng subs

I pity you to be honest

>>379371468
>He didn't finish the game and all 120 shrines before the patch game out

>>379371534
>He hasn't replayed the game every single week since launch

>>379371534
Nigga the game leaked with dual audio One week before release

I pity you to Be honest

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>>379371568
Well ya got me there.

>>379371107
>>379371140
'Exploration and discovery' are gameplay motivations which both WW and BotW have but their core gameplay mechanics handle these concepts in totally different ways because their overworld designs are coming from two completely different schools of game design.

Wind Waker's overworld design is a manifestation of the GameCube being Nintendo's first disc based console. Exploring in WW is one a single plane and boils down to looking pointing your boat in a direction and then just waiting until you get there.

In BotW, the world is built around verticality and getting to your destination requires the player to think - the core gameplay mechanics are built around it.

>>379371361
Regarding 3D console Zeldas, my opinion is:
WW>BotW>OoT>TP>MM
I haven't played SS, as I refuse to waggle, so I can't fairly judge it.

>>379371270
What are the reasons? Don't have to go in depth but I think they're similar enough to suffer from similar faults

>>379371635

I feel like that difference qualifies as part of BotW's expansion and evolution of WW's approach. Like, approaching exploration from higher perspectives in addition to just a flat field perspective is an expansion of the idea. One that does change things, but still an expansion nonetheless. You're not wrong, I just think that BotW's approach was borne from improving directly upon WW's.

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Zelda is not a very good series with extremely simplistic story,world building and gameplay.

>>379371694

if I have your taste down as well as I think I do, don't even bother with SS. It's the antithesis of what WW and BotW do right and very much a expression of TP's strengths and weaknesses magnified.

Based contrarians laying down the smack.

>>379371882
t. Abdul

- sent from my golden PS4

>>379371882

It's simplistic but for the most part the series is quite well crafted in spite of that simplicity. For being as big as they are, they're rather polished games and considerable thought does go into their level design. I wouldn't call the world building simplistic though, on the contrary it's almost too convoluted for its own good now that we're almost 20 mainline entries in.

>>379371901
You could have said it was the best Zelda game ever, and I still wouldn't play it. I literally refuse to play any game that requires waggle. There is no flexibility on my stance regarding this. I will not do it.

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Another 2D Zelda when?
Developed as a collaboration with Vanillaware handling the art assets preferably.

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>>379371882
Kiddie trying to talk game design. You're adorable.

>>379372201
I see two family spheres

WW strengths are its OST, sound design and artstyle so they aren't really comparable in that reagard.

>>379372110

You don't understand, the waggle would be the least of your problems. I forgot to mention that its hub town functions like a poor man's MM. It revels in the things your least favorite Zeldas did and completely ignores the things that make your favorites stand out. It would probably be in the running for your least favorite game of all time, or at least least favorite Zelda across the board, even if it did have traditional controls.

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>>379372201
What's dat? Anothah Toon Rink game? Sure, he hasn't had new game in WAY too rong. Toon Rink deserves more new game.

>>379372272
Well, thank fuck that's the game they made "Waggle-required." I tried TP on the Wii after playing it on the GC, and I loathed it.

>>379372267
>artstyle

I'll give you the first two but you're wrong about this one.

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>>379372317
>>379372251
If it's Toon Link, as designed by George Kamitani I wont complain.

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>>379372412
Dereet dis filth from my sight

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>>379364329
>>379364235
>>379364393
>>379366014
Would you have played this?

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>>379372964
we all did, anon

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>>379373021
sorry wrong pictue ;-)

>>379373146
>>379373021
It's more fun to climb in Assassin's Creed. I had to tank everything into stamina, and still needed to wear climbing gear as much as possible in order to make it bearable.

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>>379372964
Umm...

>>379373146
Kek this meme. Nintendo fixed towers in BotW.

>>379373218
>It's more fun to climb in Assassin's Creed.

What?

I think Wind Waker is the worst in the series but BotW is close.
BotW focuses on exploration but you never find anything substantial.
When you go out into the world, you always know that you'll find any of:
>shrine with 1 type of reward
>korok with 1 type of reward
>weapon/armor
>chest with a very few amount of rewards that never feel surprising
>side quest with a very few amount of rewards that never feel surprising
What's the point in exploring if you know what you'll find? The combat is a downgrade from previous installments to the point where fighting enemies is the worst part and I'd always run past them if possible. Game holds up for a couple hour until the "what's behind the next hill?" wears out because you already know.

>>379373497
Not him, but it's pretty obvious what he was getting at. Climbing in BotW is a chore in comparison to AC.

>>379373497
ac
>every building has specific points that you can grab onto, climbing something feels logical
botw
>one ladder climbing animation for every surface, never actually grab parts that would be logical (towers have a net-like texture but you put your hands wherever)
It's exactly the same "hold up to climb with the eventual jump", but AC at least makes every climb seem logical and is at least a little entertaining to watch. It's also much faster in AC.

>>379371882
It skirts a line between being robust enough to offer a good amount of meat throughout the playthrough, while not requiring too much digging into the game itself to have a satisfying experience with it, like games that involve more stat crunching or critical thinking. As you might already guess, the latter is possible because they aren't very hard or technical to play.

I think it's still an artful way to make a game but you're pretty much right.

>>379373704
You also don't get 3/4 of the way up a building, and then get tired and fall.

>>379373537
>What's the point in exploring if you know what you'll find?

Yeah I know right? All those mountaineers and adventurers in real life. Why do they bother? They already know what the view will be like from the top of that mountain.

I know right? It's almost like the game is putting you in a survival situation and letting you choose how to play. I always run past the Zombies in Resident Evil if I can. I guess the combat sucks in that game too right?

>>379373537
>find a secret in any zelda game
>98% of the time it's rupees
You aren't really making a strong case there.

>>379364235
wind waker's world was emptier than botw's

>>379364235
3d zelda sucks

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>>379364329
>BOTW
>ubisoft open world

no

>>379373796
Wind Waker's world is literally as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle

>>379373595
>Climbing in BotW is a chore in comparison to AC.

Holy shit. Do you kiddies honestly believe that nonsense?

>>379373796
At least there was a somewhat justifiable reason for it to be empty (at least until Black Flag came into existence, and removed that excuse).

>>379372964
>>379373021
samefag

>>379373863
An insult is not a refutation.

>>379364235
>Empty of the Wild

Why. Bereft of the Wild is such an easy pun.

>>379373925
that doesn't make any sense

>>379373704
An isolated gameplay experience on rails vs completely liberating freedom of movement over any landscape.

Get fucked. BotW wipes it's ass with AC. The fucking desperation here is unreal.

>Wind Shitter
>good

TOP KEK

>>379373781
There's a difference between climbing mountains and adventuring in real life and in a game. The view in BotW will always be shittier than in real life, there's no thrill, no exhaustion, no feeling of accomplishment by holding the stick forward.

>>379373795
The other Zelda's didn't focus on exploration in the same sense. They had dungeons and puzzles and combat as their main gameplay elements. Finding a chest or a glowing bug in TP wasn't the main attraction, so the reward wasn't as important. Though, opening a small chest in TP almost always led to disappointment.

>>379374062
I'm comparing the climbing feature, not the entire game. Are you pretending to be stupid?

>>379374062
>BotW wipes it's ass with AC
>A game that released around 9.5 years after a similar game "wipes its ass," with the older game.

I assume that's what you're saying, because AC4: Black Flag is way more fun than BotW. Presuming that's what you are saying, though, it's really debatable. There was plenty to explore in the original AC, too.

>>379374261
>AC4: Black Flag is way more fun than BotW

no

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>>379374261
>AC4: Black Flag is way more fun than BotW.

Kek nobody anywhere will ever agree with such absolute fucking nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions sure, but it's pretty fucking obvious you're just an ass blasted hater. Nintendo made a good game oh boo hoo.

>>379374389
Yes. That game was a blast. BotW had a boring tutorial, followed by a lot of promise once you got out of the tutorial zone for the first time. Little did I know that what I experienced the first 20 minutes outside of the tutorial was pretty much what I could expect for the bulk of the game, and it wasn't all that fun.

>>379374487
Don't bother, they haven't played it.

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>>379364235
OP you're just salty that you can't afford a Switch.

I know I am, but at least I'm not a huge faggot about it.

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>>379374453
Dude, I own BotW, and picked it up just after midnight on launch day. I dunno if this has exif data, but if it does, feel free to check it.

It was just ok.

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>>379374517
I've played both.

>>379374572
>Got an Xbone after all the shit MS pulled
That says a lot about how much abuse and bullshit you're willing to take.

>>379374572
>Showing an xbone next to a Switch playing BotW
>Somehow this means you purchased AC4.

>>379374628
Well I wasn't about to get a PS4 after the shit Sony pulled with the PS3 that's for sure.

>>379374674
Yeah I got it free over Games with Gold

>>379364393
>multiple images of the same grassy plains with trees
you tried

>>379366035
Wow. Cool. This is from a mod for the PC game half-life 2 that came out more than a decade ago right?

>>379374732
>Because PS fucked over their customers last time, I chose to get fucked over by Xbone this time!

Solid logic. How did it pan out? Also, prove it.

>>379374871
lol salty

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>>379374560
And here's my copy of the special edition AC IV.

It was good fun. But BotW is on another planet, it's a masterclass in game design.

I bought BotW on Switch.

Wind Waker was the game so bad it made me lose all hope in Zelda games since

Breath of the Wild brought me back

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Majoras Mask is better game

>>379375129
It depends on what you want from a game really. But if you're talking about games being 'good' I always try to look at what they're bringing to the table.

Oot and BotW are better than MM. They're both games which raise the bar and set new standards. MM, while being a much-loved fan favourite, doesn't offer up anything revolutionary.

>>379369092
I like TP, but the more play throughs I have (I did a 100%, 3 heart, and HD run), the less I like it. The dungeons are too long for their own good (and too many), mostly empty Hyrule Field, not many side quests, and a weird story that forgets that Link is the hero and not Midna.
I did like the world-building and presentation, but so much of it was bogged down by the negatives that each play through feels more like a slog than the last.

>>379369874
>didn't do evey quest (and probably missed most shrines and seeds)
>but knows that all the puzzles ar identical
Stop talking out of your ass.

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>>379364393
>beautiful

>>379369874
>I've no need to defend such a mediocre game since I didn't pay for it. My Nintenbro of a roommate bought it day one and rushed through the beasts and main boss, forgot all about it too and left it for me to fuck around with.

This is literally the most fucking retarded way to play one of the best gaming experiences ever coded. Your opinion immediately goes in the trash.

I felt sorry for PC queers who have spent months playing a broken glitchy version on cemu but this takes the cake. I would feel bad for you but you're clearly a fucking cunt so sucks to be you!