FFXIV Stormblood Can we save WHM?

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cats

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no

Anti-whiteys pls leave

Naw, with paladins having self sufficent heals now we no longer need a healer aside from buffs. So only AST will be needed now.

>adds a lily to your healing gauge

So do we know how the various job gauges work now? Anyone got a good summary?

WHM sucks
AST rules

>>379340175
We have known for weeks.

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>>379339830
Seeing as it's a two month old build, which they already show cased fixing it, along with stating they've done this to other classes as well? I'm not too worried.

Remember AST on release? Now it's god tier. I'm feeling they've learned from their mistakes.

I'd honestly like if WHM could, instead of a shield, increase a persons HP for a short amount of time, allowing healing % to be better on them, for like. . .twenty or thirty seconds. It would make them very worth taking, more so if things are going to truck people harder.

Aka, a cast able thrill of battle on allies.

>The JP blog post about PvP still hasn't been translated a whole workday later
I guess I shouldn't expect anything from a team that can't tell apart a dragoon and a paladin.

>>379340443
It is translated though.

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this was supposed to be OUR expansion

what happened bros?

>>379340443
But it has and was posted in the last thread

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>>379340443
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002069.html

>being this wrong

Try Harder.

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>>379340386
>WHM needs more defensive abilities

>bard gets permanent raidwide 2% crit
>machinist gets nothing

good job Yoshi

>5 0 0 0 potency
how will shieldlets even compete?

>>379340491
>>379340518
>>379340521
I stand corrected.

In my defence, clicking on the blog via the lodestone brings you to the previous post.

>>379340523
What would you suggest?

>>379340548
a boss that hits for 100% health

>>379340548
By having the same potency on their healing spells in PvP

>>379340421
The same bullshit way WoW did it. Muh resources on secret island to help win the war.

The game is just wow with a ff and jap twist on it ine very aspect. Hell the garleans could easily be seen as the horde faction and us the alliance.

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>>379340421
>mfw the Far East shit is more interesting than Gyr Abania

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Can we talk about the raids?

How the hell is an FFT raid going to work? And do we have any idea what the "theme" Omega is going to have? Part of why Alexander is so good is because of the steampunk goblin mecha theme. Is Omega just going to be lol robutts?

>>379340386
To be honest, we don't even know what encounter design is like in 4.0.

With WHM getting even more healing, SCH getting more sustained and burst healing options, and AST getting more healing as well kind of implies healing will be more demanding.

It's all guesswork until we actually see the content, dungeons and raids both.

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>Cure II, Cure III, etc. for all spells
>Not Cura, Curaga, and such
It slightly annoys me. Only slightly though.

>>379340792
>Is Omega just going to be lol robutts?
Play FFV

>>379340421
Othard is more interesting but this guy is right. I doubt they'll focus much on Ala Mhigo at all, and they just dropped that bit first so they could surprise people with the full trailer.

>>379340792
Omega is the interdimensional rift from FFV. I doubt it's going to only be about robits u dingus.

>>379340792
Zodiac boss fight
Judge boss fight
Totema Boss fight
something from ffta2 i can barely remember that game

>>379340862
>shitty job system
nah

>>379340859
I'm not even a FFfag and purely by knowing the naming conventions off a friend it bothers me too.

"Adventurer! Cast your Fire Two at the opponent, quickly! Before he responds with a Thunder Three!"

>>379340792
>alexander
>good
Naw alexander is shit aside from the music. Every single fight is just a dps check with no mechanics you actually have to think about. Theme was really boring as well. Anything omega does will be better than this shit.

>>379340918
They could also use vagrant story as inspiration

>>379340912
They already said that Gry Abania and Othard will have 50/50 prescence in the story.

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White Mage is fucked up as fuck. If they actually fix it in time for Early Access the old previews are going to be almost completely irrelevant, like old videos of 1.0.

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>>379340850
I'm thinking this as well, as tanks got a few skills they can use to defend others with. Hell, even -cover- got buffed. With them pruning unused skills, I figured Cover would go - but assuming it's still there now enhanced? I'm thinking the damage is going be very rough now.

Less DPS check. More tanking and heal checks really while dealing with status effects and dealing with mechs.

>>379340998
Yoshi can say whatever the fuck he wants but so far that doesnt make it true.

>>379340971
spot the MCH

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Stop playing whm.

>tfw just resubbed after a 3 month break
>east coast
>ninja player
>doesn't feel different at all
You're all a bunch of cunts.

>>379341120
Wel it doesn't make what you think the truth either. Should I believe the director and producer of the game or some anonymous poster from an anime imageboard?

>>379341173
But thats wrong, I'm a paladin. Which makes more sense on why I'd hate it.

>>379341210
You cant feel worse if you were already shit.

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>enter floor 4 of first omega tier
>Gilgamesh is there

>>379341242
Honestly directors have lost so much credibility over the games their word is worth no more than some random guess on the internet.

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>>379341210
>can't double weave b4b and ir
>even fuma clip
>doesn't feel different at all

Is this the Monk expansion?

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>>379341298
>Battle in the Big Keep Extreme

>>379340668
>Hell the garleans could easily be seen as the horde faction and us the alliance.
You have that the other way around, the garleans are the technologically advanced human and the eorzeans are a bunch of backwoods nature worshipping savages

>>379341340
This is the AST expansion.

>>379340531
What dude MCH got a ton of support. Our hypercharge (on two minute cooldown) is now 5% to all damage AND Dismantle is now 10% physical damage reduction (for like 4 seconds).

Meanwhile, you fucking hyperbolic manchild, BRD only gets:
•perm 2% crit
•3% damage to target(lasts as long as mp)
•15% to direct hit stats for party
•Bonus to Max HP OR
•Bonus to Physical Damage Reduction OR
•Bonus to Magical Damage Reduction

>>379341332
Didn't have those problems. Either my shit internet is better than expected or you're all overreacting. I did a dungeon and did my rotation just fine.

>>379340792
You fight through various locations from FFT through dimension hoping. Adds are FFT style jobs and monsters. No furry ivalice allowed so no bangaa, viera , captain bosch etc.

>>379341420
Well I thought about that, but the way garleans go about things is more horde esque of conquer more land so they can prosper and seeing outsiders as inferior.


Option to join the garleans when?

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Welcome to Stormblood. How cucked are ya?

>>379341519
dungeons dont use as much ping as a raid

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>>379341298
>enter floor 4 of first omega savage
>Exdeath is there

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>>379341340
No it's the Samurai expansion, fool. It'll be the hottest flavor once Stormblood hits.

WHO ODIN HERE

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>>379341519
Download bandicam and record your opener on a dummie with the skills bars showing.

>>379341563
NIN here

best physical DPS again

>>379341563
WHM: I got a shitty lily
Yoshi: So what of it
WHM: And lost 7 of my spells
Yoshi: Oh go straight ahead into the cuckshed

>racing against actual people in choco racing
neat

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I'M STILL AN INDECISIVE SHIT, RDM OR BRD?

Fixing WHM

-Lilies are still gathered, but now have a small chance (~3-7%) to proc on Regen ticks and 20% to proc on Stone 1/2/3/4 casts.
-Lilies are still used with certain skills as they are cast, but only one at a time unless you use...
-Full Bloom: next ability will consume all lilies collected. Additional effect: the potency of the next skill is increased by 20~40%. 60~120s CD, OGCD instant-cast)

Now you're encouraged to DPS and let Regen tick without overhealing, you can blow all your lilies when you want to or give minor buffs to your other skills when you don't, and fuck you AST Earthly Star should not be so ridiculously strong on top of all the Balance and card bullshit you have. Numbers are variable because I can't estimate values for shit.

>>379340509
SE is doing to SAM in 4.0 what MNK should've been in 3.0.
In exchange MNK gets even worse utility than 3.0 launch MCH.

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Guild Wars II is better

>>379341684
Decide for yourself, bitch.

>>379341684

Be a special snowflake and play MNK

>>379341689
>20% to proc on Stone 1/2/3/4 casts.

>laughingYoshi.jpg

>>379341563
I've been playing fairly heavily for a few weeks as a new player to get to at least HW before SB drops but recently my mouse has felt completely different in sensitivity to the point where I even tried getting a new mouse but it's no different and I can't play anything like this. I feel like I wasted the past 130~150 hours I've put into the game so far. Mechanical/Hardware issues are the one thing that gets my blood pressure through the roof and I feel like I'm about to punch the fucking wall.
But I was going PLD so I guess it kind of evens out in the end?

>>379341298
>enter floor 12 of omega
>Lightning is there

>>379340859
>>379340958

They had a lore book in the library dungeon explaining that. They didn't want to have to come up with higher spell level names or something.

>>379341575
I guess I'll see how it is when Omega comes out or if my friends and I can form a raid group before then and practise a bit.
>>379341650
On PS4 with my M&KB since my graphics card died and I haven't been able to save up for it.

>>379341662
2nd best, and this is from another nin
sam cucked everyone

>>379341750
>Literally nothing to do
>Shit graphics

Yeah okay. At least the Asura are cute though

Be honest with me all of you.
How many of you are planning to use a jump potion for that one job you don't want to level?
Personally I will be using it for a PLD, I love their glamour and aesthetic, but can't get the urge to actually level it and tank.

>>379341868
Never mind then, you never could do a good opener.

>>379341940
Pffft, I don't have that kind of money.

>>379341750
It was good until the expansion. Not adding more levels and most the content being all temporary is stupid.

Only thing that was fun for me in that game was being in the first clear of the undead dragon.
>Getting 100+ people to join a ts
>Theory crafting out own ways to beat the boss
>Our server ended up using an entirely different strat than the others
>Being one of the commanders and guiding around a battalion of people to do their jobs.

Honestly best moment in any mmo I had, but not even server bosses liek that.

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>>379341832

>>379341940
You won't trick me, Yoshi

>>379341859
It was a shitty book. The Amdapori couldn't decide what to call Cure IV when the series has already called it Curaja for fucking decades.

>>379341750
counterpoint: it's bad

>>379341940
it's far too expensive and i already have all the classes i'm even remotely interested in to at least 50

>>379341968
Whatever you say, dial -up-kun

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>>379341940
I already have all combat jobs at 60.

>>379340971
I hope we get something like the t12 bennu phase again

>More people playing today than there were on the weekend.

The fuck?
Is it just because it's reset day?

>>379341802

>Wants to balance all the healers and solidify their unique identities
>Ignores what serious WHM players have been asking for for years
>Gives them the worst unique mechanic in the expac with the worst ways to trigger it
>Guts their skills to share them with all healers, but doesn't give them anything in return to make up for it
>Is surprised that everyone hates it, even the Japanese players are upset
>Keeps his job and makes more money than ever
>Laughs all the way to the bank with his paycheck to buy his third castle

There is no justice in this world.

serious question, why not take these threads to /vg/? this is basically a general at this point

>>379341940
Scholar so I get summoner leveled up for free too.

>>379341767
Need to know typical gameplay (openers, priorities and so on) for both before I can decide.

>>379341445

Are you being sarcastic anon? It sounds like you're trying to ruse me.

Can someone explain what the whole WHM thing is about?
I was going to do WHM as my alt class, maybe main it, but if it's gonna be shit I rather not.

>>379341859
>Fire, Fira, Firaga, Firaja
That took me less than a minute on google.

Honestly, that's a shitty argument considering that the JP would face the same problem if they started introducing higher level spells. Koji wanted to future proof the system when it's not his job to do so. Not to mention there's only so many variations of spells you can add before entering ability bloat, and considering XIV got its pruning as early as the second expansion, they will avoid adding twelve Fire spells.

>>379342092
I got a login queue again. Something's happening.

>>379342092
That, and the closer you get to launch more people will be doing last-minute catch-up.

>>379342138
Because the general is nothing but ERP, drama and circle jerking. Any attempt to discuss the game gets buried under it

>>379340548
by giving their team 5% more dps thus making them more useful than WHM

>>379342138

herewegoagain.jpg

Take a visit to /vg/ yourself and find out if you're actually serious.

>>379342138
Because /xivg/ is pure cancer. Nothing but ERPfags from Balmung there.

>>379342184
FFXI has up to level VI spells already anyway

>>379342138
because the actual /xivg/ is a horrendous shitpit, which is why these threads started being made in the first place.

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>>379341940
I considered getting one for PLD at first but the price isn't based on your current level. I won't pay fucking $25 to boost a level 50 job to 60.

>No new healer jobs because the people who heal are the same people
>Completely fuck over a class

Fuck you Yoshi now there's going to be even less healers and more samfags

>>379342138
ff14 general is just avatar fags wanting to erp and not caring about the game. It's considered one of the most if not the most cancerous general of all. We go here to discuss the game and balance. Threads are only so often cause expansion is coming up, it will die out in a month.

>>379342138
I believe there's a thinly veiled porn thread on /v/ you'd prefer to enjoy than video games. >>379338954

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>>379341987
>>379342016
>>379342045
>>379342057
BUY THEM NOW!!!

>>379342138
Go to /vg/ and tell me what you see
Besides we actually talk about the game and keep it in one thread, sorry we are taking a spot on the catalog for a 7th Overwatch general thread or a 10th Persona waifu thread or one of the countless platform wars threads

>>379342037
This is the localization team's fault. I don't understand why this is so important to you people. It's trivial and it doesn't compare to the confusion about Nael's sex and the Papalymo title.

>>379342092
>Run through tavern in limsa to get leves
>So many people the crowd sound is playing
We're filling up.

>>379342178
>>379342102

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>LALAFELLGA IV

>>379342138

Go there i fucking dare you.

Quick /v/: RDM, DRK or DRG?

>>379340792
>Is Omega just going to be lol robutts?

We got that for Alexander, we'll get something different like FFV void

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>>379341298
>yfw when gilg and enkidu are the casual wall in Omega savage
I want this so badly

>>379340548

it's the pvp version of the skill, your attack/heal stats are normalized to be 1:1 with potency

>>379342407
ALL OF THEM

>>379342345
>It trow a lalafell with a bunch of C4 attached on them
>Explosion is 600 potency no diminishing returns
>30sec CD

I would use and abuse.

>>379342407
RDM if you want to be the exact same as literally everyone who isn't sam
DRK if you want to be useless
DRG if you want to be useful and unique

>>379342407

WHM, since you're too indecisive to decide for yourself. Go on, an Anon told you what to do- now you have to do it.

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Leave Stormblood to us.

Worst Class 1-30 quest? Just got done wih LNC, god that was stupid. Muh courage

>>379342318
Because it's there at all times, it's not a story element that you pass by, and for a lorefag like myself it triggers me that I am casting Cure II or Fire III in a setting that's very fantasy. Call it autism.

I concede the other issues are bigger but that doesn't detract from this one. It doesn't ruin the game but it does bother me.

how much jump potions cost and what lvl do they jump you to? 60?

>>379342516
MRD is the worst. 30 levels of being angry about a bull.

>>379342138
Because we are close to an expansion, /v/ is overwhelmingly for discussing new releases whether you like it or not, /vg/ is bad particularly for ffxiv, and it's a huge weeaboo game and this is a weeaboo website.

>can see both limsa and pharos sirius from wolves' den
neat

>>379342516
Entire paladin storyline is stupid as fuck.
Blackmage is honestly the only storyline I can find myself caring about.

>>379342515
How is this more """"op"""" than darkside again

What caused bahamut to get so big?

Surely if he was like the rest of the first brood then he should have been relatively normal sided but he but ended up being like the size of uldah or bigger as a primal

Also the lore is inconsistent, they say Omega is what subdued bahamut but notebook says he was subdued by a near infinite amount of voidsent from cloud of darkness

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>>379342491
>Showers the target with emotes, lowering their STR by 20% and inflicting Pacification
>Duration: 30 seconds

Any of you guys wondering about log in Qs remember that now that balmung and gilgamesh are perma locked all those thousands of cancer players and their dozens of alts have to spread out somewhere, and if you were on a smaller server and are seeing the log in Q now just think that's how bloated balmung was and how many people kept flooding in

>>379342598

CHOP THAT FUCKING ROCK YOU SHITSMITH!

>find drg fun as hell with BOTD buff management and trying to get as many geirskoguls out without fucking yourself over
>they completely remove it and it's just a shitty meter you build up now
>nidhogg rage mode doesn't even do anything interesting

I'm fine with BOTD being easier to mantain with the new trait, but removing the buff reduction cost from geirskogul killed it for me.

>>379342584
$25. lv.60.

>>379342605
>can't see PCs on the lower deck aetheryte plaza from the upper deck drowning wench

>>379342516
Most class quests are stupid except the ROG one. Expect the job quests to be hot garbage, too.

>>379342516
Definitively MRD. Hell, all WAR quests are pretty mediocre.

>>379342516
LNC is the worst one I've played so far, but I haven't done ACN or THM yet

>>379342625
>Surely if he was like the rest of the first brood then he should have been relatively normal sided but he but ended up being like the size of uldah or bigger as a primal
Because primals never end up looking like what they're based on. The rage of Tiamat and the Meracydians beefed him up into a pissed off monster that didn't resemble the original at all. You can even see him in the lore book and his original form wasn't even remotely similar.
>they say Omega is what subdued bahamut but notebook says he was subdued by a near infinite amount of voidsent from cloud of darkness
The Voidsent weakened him by just throwing endless waves of enemies at him until they ran out of aether to power him with. Then Omega came in and stuff him inside Dalamud.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13130513
http://www.strawpoll.me/13130513
http://www.strawpoll.me/13130513


I'm really curious to the actual results.

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You know what fuck you devs, I hope world first is AST+AST just to show how truly fucked up a job you did with Healer balance.
I hope queue times are HORRIBLE because people ditched nerfed SCH/WAR and are too afraid to level WHM.

>>379342760
THM is okay. ACN is okay except it has the most deviantart character in the game. Luckily he only shows up momentarily in one quest.

>>379342625
look how much bigger Shiva was compared to Ysayle and go from there

>>379341563
how cucked am I? how cucked am I?!

I got half my kit moved into cross role

>>379342760
ACN is about helping a cat slut get over her pirate gang rape induced ptsd and curing her autism so she can chase after the ACN guild leaders cock

>>379342494
>DRK
>useless
Ah yes, this meme again.

>>379340386
>fixing
>with a change that does absolutely nothing to address the absolute design failure of both the new class mechanic and the level 70 skill with its own special mechanic
>they learned from their mistake by seriously considering a much weaker version of a buff we've known for two years is so bad it can safely be deleted on sight

>>379342158
I was very obviously being sarcastic.

>>379342760
ACN is ok until that stupid, ugly catboy showed up. THM was about retarded lalas.

>>379342491

Would use and abuse if it required taking one of your potato teammates and permanently detonating them, causing them to 90k and come back to find their character data has been corrupted, so they must begin anew. Hopefully after learning a very poignant lesson.

>melee dps waits until 1% to use the limit break

EVERY FUCKING TIME JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

>>379342893
>retarded lalas
redundant

>>379342879
>he thinks its a meme
Oh my lass, you are gonna be disappointed here in 9 days.

>>379342809
Not the first but it's probably the most I've invested in one so far, actually.

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>>379342515
>PLDs
>finally good
Fuck yeah. I can drop WHM for my PLD.

>WHM and SCH move to RDM and SAM instead of AST
>50 minutes of queue time waiting for an AST
>Spend all of your sub time waiting for a dungeon
>Don't resub
>FF14 dies

>>379342760
>ACN
adventures with autistic cat

>THM
suspenseful and fun but also the edgiest shit you'll read in the game

>>379342887

Why would yoshi screw with MCH so hard in terms of utility. I'm still going to main it but I might have to switch to bard if I can't get someone to take in my MCH.

>>379343014
edgier than DRK or DRG 30-50?

>>379342959
Use it yourself then.

>>379343014

>adventures of an autistic rape-cat

>>379341332
>can't double weave b4b and ir

Now how am I going to parse orange!

>>379343009
>Doing dungeons and not extreme trials or savage raid
>not doing dungeons with a healer/tank friend

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>>379342625
Pretty much this >>379342782
>Because primals never end up looking like what they're based on
The "original" Garuda, for example, wasn't even a sexy bird lady. It was the name of an allagan unit that used ixali as soldiers, and had a woman as their commander (maybe a sexy hyur lady, but definitively not a "bird" one).

>>379343057
THM is great, it's about becoming the most blackest mage around, letting your master die, stealing his shit and making a contract with the devil for more black magic while befriending outcast from beasttribes for even more black magic. Good times, then SB happens and it's about teaching the most pussy whitemage of all time his fucking place and murdering everyone who thinks they have a chance standing against you.


Not even lying thats actually what happens.

>>379342879
It's wars desperately trying to avoid the shed and screaming muh cleaves even though both pld and drk have better sustained dps

>tfw cat everyone is nice to me comms everywhere
>fantasia into elezen
>ignored, no more comms

I regret nothing

>>379343009
you're fucking insane if you think queue times are only going to be 50 minutes for dps. Try 3 hours or more.

>>379343057
the texts describe npc deaths in very vivid details. though i worded it like it's a negative i found it amusing

>>379343057
Not in the slightest. It's just some boogeyman lala who isn't even intimidating in the slightest.

>>379343147
>not doing dungeons with a healer/tank friend
I wonder how common this is. I heal and I can't remember the last time I did a dungeon without a friend tank.

>>379342623
Because they spent all of Heavensward trying to make PLD compete in damage through raw weaponskill potency increases without giving them a multiplier buff with a decent uptime. Now that FoF has a short enough cooldown that (between it and Requiescat) it's basically their version of Darkside/Maim, PLD now has a really effective high-uptime damage multiplier, along with crazy-ass potencies that were designed to be competitive without that sort of multiplier.

DRK's average combo weaponskill potency is 227, and PLD's average combo weaponskill potency is 289. It's a little ridiculous.

It's also almost certainly going to be toned down between the event build and SB launch, but it's more fun to pretend that all these tooltips are final because they basically dispense arbitrary doom and providence to all classes at random.

>>379342959
>Not wanting to finish in style

>>379343141
How indeed

>>379342824
Why would queue times be horrible when there are till plenty of DRK/PLD/AST?

>>379343308
I hope not

>>379342959
i see more bards using it immediately then getting dunked by aoes than i do melees waiting

like calm down man i'll use it when it's safe i didn't forget

>>379343308
Those numbers aren't correct

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LgWAu5BviMyumP8D0tfjrUbKtj9Sez5SRfNAEx_ysng/edit#gid=2060417410

DRK is at 440.5
PLD is at 541.4
WAR is at 458.7

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>>379343186
that's BLM. THM is "black magic will kill u gruesomely kid" for a while then turns into an exorcism movie

>>379343020
I dunno, I think he's trying to separate the two. One (MCH) seems like it's gonna be a straight DPS class and the other seems like it's supposed to be an actual support class. Because, remember, MCH/BRD don't restore resources as well as they used ON TOP OF every DPS getting a resource restoration skill.

Now, having said that, BRD damage seems just as good AND their AoE was untouched. So I don't fucking know what that crazy Jap is thinking.

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>RDM having an actual good heal means that we won't have to tolerate shitty healers and can kick them out as we please

>>379340162
PLD/PLD/AST/AST/SAM/SAM/SAM/NIN meta?

>>379340624
Use all lilies to boost attack for a short time

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>>379341298
>Enter floor 16

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>>379343498

>>379343014
>ACN
>adventures with autistic rape victim
Fix'd.

A8s is such bullshit, every single mechanic is >do this right or you will die instantly

Literally impossible without a static

>>379343521
it's a jojo's reference

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>>379343498
>Mfw PLDtears when SB is released and their potency isn't as great as they hoped

>>379341445
Do they still get Battle Voice as is? If so just double all those buffs

>>379343498
Is this post it being changed to 25 seconds?

>>379343623
reeeeeee why is content hard
fuck you

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>>379343667

>>379343667
The potency is too much. The utility is what will get them OT spot.

>>379343057
a lala gets possessed by a low level demon and kills a few people

then you stop him

wow so edgy

>>379343687
Battle Voice is the 15% direct hit buff.

>>379343529
In my previous post I meant to say that I'd dual main MCH and BRD if I have to in order to join a raid group, maybe keep SAM onthe side for fun stuff.

Seriously though I'm not sure what he's thinking, how are they going to talk about in the live letter classes energizing while making sure MCH, SAM, and BLM still have no real utility aside from slightly more damage then the others.

Except SAM if those potency's don't change, they'll be smoking other DPS easy if they stay the same.

>>379343702
The rest of midas and Gordias was okay but difficulty just shot through the roof with 8s

Fuck you, I'd like to see you try doing this though PF

>>379342515

Just want to pop in and say that FoF has a 25s duration now, not 30s. If you watch any of the footage from the media tour the tooltip says 30s but when they actually use the ability it is 25s long. This effectively removes one whole combo (except fast blade) form being buffed by FoF.

It might still be 30 when the game launches, but I think around 25s is more realistic. OTherwise PLD is gonna be insanely strong and it'll be hilarious to see them as the highest dps MT and OT.

>>379343667
Every tank's damage won't be as great as we are expecting. Not only because of possible potency changes, but also because VIT won't be used to calculate tank's damage anymore.

>>379340421
We can only hope ala mhigo gets forgotten. Nothing good has come with an interaction with that shit hole.

>>379343498
i saw some other sheet earlier that had drk doing more potency by not using blackest night on cooldown

which is fine because it would be kinda stupid otherwise

When is Gaius coming back?
We didn't see a body, and he doesn't pop up in PoTD.

>>379341940
Why even bother getting a class to max level if you don't want to play it?

>>379343779
The demon isn't edgy
It's the dialogues in the early level quests

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>>379343596
>mid fight change ala Brute Justice

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>there are still people ITT that think giving WHM more damage utility is a good idea

THEY ALREADY DO THE MOST HEALER DPS, AND THEY WONT GO OOM NOW. IF YOU BUFF THEM MORE THEN YOU GET AST 2.0

FUCK

>>379343882
>VIT won't be used to calculate tank's damage anymore
Good. I can finally min/max in fights I'm comfortable with.

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Man fuck it next time someone asks me if I want to join their FC through a pm I'll consider it, I'm sick of being lonely in this fucking game now.

>>379343914
For the Garlemald expansion when we depose Varis and install Gaius as the new emperor so we can team up against Ascians.

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got in an fc, tried to talk often fc, turns out the fc is constantly silent despise having 9 active members daytime. Should I leave?

>>379343914
He's coming back to bitch slap Zenos and show them how to conquer Eorzea properly.

>>379339830
games own director says healers dont need to dps so will you guys shut up and let me be a HEALER

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>>379343667
>mfw SB is released and PLD's potency isn't as great as promised and all the bandwagoners fuck off but the slew of other shit means they'll still be strong and I can be a Justice Knight in peace again

>>379343687
Yeah no one is gonna give a shit about the least played class. I doubt we'll get anything to match BRD utility. Guess I can always hang out with my WHM buddies.>>379343698

>>379343882
Strength will go back to being 1:1 for attack power though. Plus you'll get damage from Parry and Accuracy being converted into the new stats.

>>379343914

gaius is actually one of the recently introduced NPCs, just without his armour so we can't tell

>>379343961
I'm in the exact same boat

I don't want to join your shitty leveling sprout-collector FC but I'm fuckin lonely over here so I'm considering it

>>379343498
No, my numbers are correct.

DRK's combo weaponskills (as per event tooltips) are Hard Slash (150), Syphon Strike (250), and Souleater (280), for a total of 680, or 226.6 per weaponskill. This is the only base combo that DRK does, so you only need to get the average of those three. (Bloodspiller, or any DA effects, are basically 'extra' to their combos)

PLD's weaponskill combo rotation is one Goring Blade combo, two Royal Authority combos, repeat. So that's three Fast Blades (3x160), three Riot Blades (3x240), one Goring Blade (260+420 DoT), and two Royal Authorities (2x360), for a total of 2600 potency across 9 weaponskills - or an average of 288.8 potency per weaponskill.


What you linked is someone trying to map out full rotations for all three tanks, doing a piss-poor job of optimizing equally across all three classes, getting basic information wrong (the duration of Fight or Flight, for one), and then trying to get the entire FFXIV community to latch onto those numbers as gospel, like MrHappy's Garuda EX strategy or a "Xenosys Vex invented the idea of not using your tank stance" aggressive tanking guide.

>>379343973
Yea heal those 2000 dmg auto attacks

>>379343596
If they did this, I'd hope they'd get Mobius Garland's VA for it. He did a much better job than Dissidia's.

السلام عليكم

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>crit: increases damage
>determination: increases damage
>direct hit: increases damage

>>379343949
You realize healer personal DPS means nothing compared to group buffs right?

>>379343998
Actually kind of hoping for this so the shitters will fuck off and I can play my class without looking like a meta ball gargling faggot

>>379344010
>You'll get damage from Accuracy
I hate to break it to you Anon but direct hit will have to be slotted in. It won't come on tank gear .

>>379343957
They're making it so you can no longer allocate stats, nor equip gear with the non-primary stat of the job so no more STR accessories. Most you can do is meld STR.

>>379344156
The accuracy on tank gear still has to be converted to something though, even if it's not Direct Hit.

>>379344117

If FFXIV were to add a mastery stat similar to WoW, what would the mastery effect be for each job?

>>379344156
That's assuming they'll let you even meld it, which I doubt.

>>379344117
>Make a stat that doesn't increase damage
>"Wow, this is fucking useless. Why did they add this shit?"

>>379343914
In 5.X, maybe ealier if we start free Ala Mhigo/Doma earlier than expected (like the Dragonsong War).

>>379344010
No more STR accessories for tanks and customizable stats points will be a big hit in their damage, though. I don't think that not-Parry and mini-crits will fix that.

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>>379344185
COME ON

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>>379343949
>implying the goal isn't to make WHM the OP healer
We've been living under SCH shadow and now AST for too long. Rise up with me, rise up!

>>379343998
I hope that PLD ends up being powerful and fun but still doing less DPS than DRK or WAR, so that all the Echo-Creator raidmasters who won't shut up about how "this game is literally ALL about DPS" shun them again while progression groups take PLD and sail to victory with them.

>>379343937
>It's the dialogues in the early level quests
I dont even remember it, what was so edgy?

>>379344193
>AST: Increases the chance that the next card drawn or redrawn will be Balance

>>379344192
Okay Anon have some skill speed.

>>379344238
All they needed to do to fix parry was fix how it scaled.

>>379343949
But that is the goal. Ideally all variants of a role should be equally valuable. That way you can use any combination you want and content doesn't have to hold back to account for areas of particular class weakness.

>>379344240
Going from VIT/STR to pure STR is about a 10% reduction in attack power. Add Tenacity and rotational DPS increases on top of that, and tank DPS is still fine.

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>>379344193
>PLD: Gives a chance to have a roll your block chance for magic

>>379344193
Mastery assuming a pure role could be a few things
Top of my head I'd want something like this
>Melee dps : dmg
>ranged dps: crit
>caster dps: spellspeed (i only play BLM don't know cast times on summoner if they exist or a problem)
>healer: percent chance to ignore interrupt
>tank: health

>>379344374
See
>>379344185

>>379344336
They'd also have to fix the damage you take otherwise a higher parry chance wouldn't do shit. More damage is almost always better.

>mfw Requiescat

Coolest fucking ability in the entire game. The visuals of the lightning bolt and the synergy it has with Holy Spirit and MP is honestly something I didn't think was possible by design from this dev team after 2+ years of them shitting on PLD.

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>>379342959
>BRD uses the LB immediately

>>379344459
Too bad the sound effect is really underwhelming.

>>379344429
Yeah, so? It's still only a 10% reduction.

The tank attack power calculation doesn't just add your VIT and STR together. It's 45% of each.

So you lose the attack power on your accessories, but gain a shitload more from your armour and weapon. It's still a 10% loss, but not the doomsday "half of all your damage" loss people think it is

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>>379344238
>accuracy
>parry
Where was the outrage in 2.0 and 2.1?

Maybe the game was better designed back then

>>379344374
>Going from VIT/STR to pure STR is about a 10% reduction in attack power.

Are you retarded? Tanks will NOT be able to equip Strength gear in 4.0, meaning they are effectively losing ALL main stat damage on their accessories aside from melded strength and secondary stats. It is an ENORMOUS nerf in damage unless tenacity is the most overtuned broken stat in the game.

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>>379341832
>Defeat her
>Gilgamesh out of nowhere
>Opens the portal to T13 for one last fight with him

>>379344459
got a video showing off all of PLD's skills other then the skill trailer?

>>379344634
Another moron who doesn't understand how tank damage scales on stats both before and after the VIT change.

What is the purpose of Ninja's Death Blossom skill?

Rogue and Ninja spend pretty much their entire progression being single target DPS, with the exception of the fireball and earth ninjutsus, and then suddenly at like level 45 they're given a 60 potency AoE.

I truly don't understand. Am I missing out by not using that? It seems completely meaningless to the way Ninja is played.

>>379344596
it really wasn't

>>379344596

They were still shit stats, players were just new and the dps meta hadn't taken full form yet.

>>379344702
>60
What? It's 110.

>>379344702

to aoe with

>>379344587
The issue is with the way it scales up as you upgrade gear. Maybe at the beginning of level 70 content, and i290-i330, it's only a slight nerf, but as your gear gets higher, DPS (and even healers) are going to be getting full effects of their main stat on both their left-side and right-side gear, while tanks are only going to gain attack power as far as their left-side gear will give it to them.

It also creates a situation where BiS gear for tanks is almost certainly going to be expensive, pentamelded crafted accessories, since they'll have a lot more secondary stats than their actual raid gear, which is the only thing that will contribute to damage.

>>379344701

Explain for everyone in the thread who is saying you're a retard then.

>>379344769
It actually is only 60 potency when you get it, with a trait later that raises it to 110.

In Stormblood, the trait is removed and it's just 110 all the time.

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>>379344652
>Opens a portal to T13 while our past selves fight nearby

>>379344702
>Can't even read tooltips right
Naruto pls leave

>>379344702
All dps jobs are single target dps. They all also have aoe skills to use in lieu of single target rotations when there are more than a certain number of enemies. 3 or more for Ninja.

>>379342138
because the generals don't talk about the game, they only avatar fag, circlejerk, and ERP

>>379344747
>>379344724
>>379344747
I like how neither of you considered how much higher the damage dealt to tanks was back then.

Have you actually played it?

>>379344916
>>379344702
To be fair that trait is retarded, since it's traited like 4 levels after you get the skill.

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>>379344917
W-what if I haven't cleared Coils because it was outdated content when I hit max level

Started in 2.4 and didn't get serious about endgame till right before 3.0 released

>>379344702
it's an aoe ability that isn't as good as every other aoe ability, that's it
it's a potency increase over single target so you should still use it on big pulls but don't expect anything spectacular from it

>>379344769
it gets a trait that bumps it to 110 a few levels later for some reason, 60 is the base potency

>>379345090

Me and a couple friends 3 manned all of coil except T9 because I think it was impossible mechanics wise.

It was fun to figure out the mechanics going in blind, we did it in 240 gear or so.

>>379344880
Before VIT was added into the tank damage calculaton, Attack Power for tanks was simply equal to their Strength. 1 Strength = 1 Attack Power.

When they changed it so it scales off VIT too, it was changed to Attack Power = 0.45 * Strength + 0.45 * Attack Power. Essentially, your Attack Power is 45% of your VIT + 45% of your Strength.

Currently, a BIS WAR has 1284 Strength and 1740 Vitality, including food. From this, we can deduce that their Attack Power is 1360.8.

Now, let's change it back to 1 Strength = 1 Attack Power. We'll also exchange the 1 Strength accessory they have for an equivalent VIT accessory melded with Strength. Their new Strength is 1221, which means that their Attack Power is also 1221.

1360.8 - 1221 = 139.8 loss
1221 is 10.2% less than 1360.

>>379345004
Parry did not help with that damage whatsoever.

Have YOU actually played it? (While it was actual current content.)

You can only choose 1 (one) of the following moves to use ONCE a day.

- Myxomatosis: take control of a Miqo'te ally and run them into an enemy whereupon they will dance and pose like a slut for 10s and charm enemies within 30 yalms. While the ally dances, party HP, MP, and TP are refreshed. Upon ally's death or the end of this ability they are disconnected from the game and ejected from the instance.
Additional effect: targeted player will be unable to use slut glamours for 7 days

- Potato Harvest: use a Lalafellan ally as a living grenade, tossing them to a targeted location and dealing a 500 potency attack on impact. The player who was tossed is ejected from the instance and returned to the character creation screen, whereupon they will have to choose a different race to log back in.
Additional effect: Paralysis (5s)

-Scaly Surprise
Cause an ally Au Ra player to transform into the avatar of Vishap, dealing a 250 potency attack fearing enemies around them. After the ally returns to normal they are swapped to the opposite gender and will be unable to use a Fantasia for 30 days.
Fear duration: 10s
Additional effect: instantly kills any ally who has recently abandoned a Steps of Faith instance

>>379345090
You get a debuff that forces you to wear a sugarloaf cap and look away from the your party's past selves for the entire fight.

>>379345004
what the fuck does that have to do with accuracy?
also even if parry helped with that (and it didn't) it's still ignoring all the other stupid shit in early 2.x

>>379345090
By level 70 you will be able to cough on T13 and destroy Bahamut

>>379345216
so all they have to do is make Attack Power = 1.1x Str and nothing's changed

I honestly think the change was just so tanks didn't get double boosted by food Vitality + Vit potions

>>379345090
It's probably better this way. This way, you can clear it at your leisure and actually watch the cutscenes without having a join a group that wants to farm after clearing. I basically skipped all of coil cutscenes because my group wanted to jump to the next turn asap. I still wonder why the game was designed like that while all those cutscenes weren't viewable later. I'll probably make a new character at some point just to reach Lv70 and solo them and watch all the cutscenes this time.

>>379345254
potato harvest, sickness must be purged

>>379345254
Potato Harvest no question

>>379345254
Potato Harvest no contest

Is BLM still good? I just got it to 60 and halfway geared for SB, dont want that effort to go to waste.

>>379345348
>get killed by twisters anyway

>>379345254

A friend of mine just fantasia'd into a Lalafell, potato harvest so I can change him to something else

>>379345234
i just remember that dex was technically a better defensive stat than parry was and still no one melded it because it was retarded to do so
what a well designed stat truly 2.0 was a masterpiece of game design

>>379345352
>so all they have to do is make Attack Power = 1.1x Str and nothing's changed
Ya, except they'll also be getting extra damage from Tenacity + whatever they convert Accuracy to, plus increased damage on their rotations.

And even if they didn't, it doesn't fucking matter. Tanks don't need to be balanced against anyone except other tanks. If they reduce their damage output, it just means they want tanks to be responsible for a slightly smaller proportion of group DPS. The only people this could possibly upset are "muh numbers" window-lickers.

It's much more worth being concerned about potential disparity between tanks.

>>379345493
We got some nerfs and some buffs. We will be in the same spot as is, but we do get a raid position buff because we are the mana battery now.

>>379340859
Cure, Cura, Curaga, Curaja, Curagaja.

Fire, Fira, Firaga, Firaja, Firagaja

I've never seen anything past -gaja before.

Is there any way to mute the gold saucer theme? I fucking hate the shit out of this music so much.

>>379345651
How were they called in FFXI?

>>379345684
wanna kno how i kno ur gey

>>379339830
It was already posted the tooltips were old and outdated. Cure II has a 100% chance to give a Lily.

Also goes to prove further that people should have taken the tooltips like a grain of salt since it shouldn't be any surprise it was an old, dated build.

>>379345684
Audio settings, probably.

>>379345684
lower the bgm in the settings

>>379345586

A friend of mine did the same. He is now lost and dead to me unless I need his bick dick DPS to get through roulettes fast. If he wasn't in the top 5% DPS on FFlogs I would unfriend him.

>>379345512
>People will still die to meteors in T9 at patch 4.56

>>379345719
They used numbers for different tiers of the same spell.
-ga spells were AoE versions of the spells.

>>379345758
>unfriending someone because of their race
???
if they're not a memeing fuck who cares

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>>379345821
>Ifrit and Leviathan EX will be next to impossible in 4.56

>>379345821
I cleared T9 and I still barely understand how meteors work other than keep them away from each other.

>>379345684
Dun Dun Dun Dundun Dun Dun Dun

>>379345898
>lala
>not a memeing fuck

>>379345898
>lalas
>not memeing fucks just by existing

>>379345898

He went all-in and now hangs around in Limsa and Idyllshire with other potatoes, constantly glamouring new outfits to show off, buying Mogstation shit, and spamming the squealing emotes. I've seen him /shouting LALA PRIDE too. It's fucking disgusting.

>>379345758
I don't think I've ever seen a community be this autistic about race choices in any other MMO. The effect is even worse among degenerates, which is funny considering TERA never reached these levels of autism.

>>379345959
>Don't drop them on each other
>Feed them to the golems, don't feed too many to a single golem

That's it, unless you're talking T9 Savage in which case you have to do some wacky shit in the last phase.

>>379345946
Will probably have to 3-4man them to avoid overDPSing.

>>379346041
>>379346013
>I hate those memeing fucks!
>keeps memeing the same lala hatred every thread

>>379345976
*accordion gets increasingly louder*

>>379345684
>>379345976

Better than papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya papaya song

>>379346126
spot the lala

>>379346080
o that's pretty awful
ive had a few friends go lala, mostly temporarily but they've always been pretty cool

>>379346126
Are you the shitty lala that keeps posting your ugly maid outfit in a yokai mount character

>>379346083
It's really only on /v/ you see this shit, in my 2 years of playing I've never seen anyone throw a tism fit because of a race someone plays.

>>379346091
More like solo them, it's already dangerous as a 2-man.

>you will never be a fresh 60 doing alexander for the first time again
>you will never locus or metal for the first time
again

I had never raided before alexander, but I remember how excited I was clearing a1s like it was a big accomplishment.

>>379346126
t. memeing lala

Why can't I connect to Chaos but I can connect to Primal just fine?

I keep getting an error, "Lobby server connection has encountered an error."

Anyone have any suggestions?

>>379346080
>I've seen him /shouting LALA PRIDE too.
That's pretty funny.

>>379345946
>sneezed on Ifrit at i400
>he immediately went invul and start casting enrage spell

>>379346310
That usually means a server is dead.

>>379346126
Get back into your sack, potato.

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>>379340049
We'll be relevant again!

We will.

It will just
Take time.
Really.

>>379346146
>he didn't pah pah paya
bet you play dark knight faggot

>>379346410
Better a DRK than a WHM. :^)

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I can't decide if I should go for AST, PLD or DRG in the expansion.

HELP
E
L
P

>>379346351

Time for the playerbase to re-learn those fights by syncing to 50, hell yeah! Or they can just 1-2 man them like lame-os.

Will ilvl ever get to the point that the instakill mechanics in 2.x aren't actually 1-hit KOs any more? Or will they just up the damage they do? (9999+ used to be the old one, now it's like 50k+ in HW content.)

>>379346217
It's pretty common even outside /v/ and /vg/ in my experience. I played both in EU and NA, and while it's more prominent in NA, I still saw the same things in EU. The autism also works both ways, so you see shit like lala-only parties in PF and such.

>>379346541
google rock paper scissor simulator
play rock paper scissor
if you lose, you play AST, if you win you play PLD.
done

>>379346562
Well, in Ifrit case you can tank it but you can't do shit to him anymore since he became invulnerable and thus, will result in wipe sooner or later anyway.

I don't think any other later bosses do this.

>>379346541
Tanks will be in demand, healers will be in demand.

DPS are dime a dozen. Good DPS are always welcome.

>>379346541

Go WHM, WAR, or SMN.

>>379346541
DRG, don't follow the crowd

>>379346562
>instakill mechanics in 2.x aren't actually 1-hit KOs any more?
They aren't now if you play a tank

Can I play a free trial on steam? Can I play it solely trough steam?

>>379346785
yes, but if you buy it through Steam, you won't be able to buy future expansions from any other source, and this includes keysites like GMG.

>>379343961
are you me?

>>379346785
Yes. Yes.

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>When you want to be hype for SB but you main monk.

>>379346541
If this post ends in:
1-3 - AST
4-6 - PLD
7-9 - DRG
0- WHM