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>Hey there Amata, my childhood friend, I heard your distress

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>Hey there Amata, my childhood friend, I heard your distress signal so i came back, saved the vault, and solved all its issues without resorting to violence, all for you. So I was thinking maybe once the vault gets settled we could...
>"Oh thanks lone wanderer you are such a great FRIEND. Btw you have leave the vault and never come back."
>O-ok then.
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>Not making her your personal slave via mods

lol
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>mfw i killed them all for that bullshit
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>>379334201
this, i left her pregnant
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NOT AGAIN REEEEEEEE
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>>379334127
what did she mean by this? seriously
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>>379334817
The majority of the Vault still blamed you for your dad's escape, so you had to respect their wishes and leave. Or just kill them and take the Vault for yourself- Either way is fine.
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Almost as bad as Tenpenny
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>>379335317
This. She even points out that it's irrational.
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>>379334817
They wanted to pay homage to fallout 1 no other reason
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Fallout 3 is full of mind bogglingly poor writing decisions.

>Hey, Fawkes, you're immune to radiation. I'll die if I go in there...
>Nope, it's your destiny. Suck it up, and die, kid.
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>>379334127
It was an excuse to squeeze in the reference to the first fallout game.
Where the overseer says something like
>"youre a hero, and you need to leave."
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>>379335561
>>379335642
This is hilarious
is Todd autistic
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>>379335575
It almost works with weird shit like the Republic of Dave
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>>379334201
>>379334423
>not blowing her head off with a shotgun and successfully escaping with her cadaver to make into your personal cocksleeve via mods

wew lads
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>>379335765

Sure, some of the individual questlines were actually pretty good, and that's one of them.

The main story is just fucking horrible though. I don't get it.
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Amatas a poo in the loo I didn't give a shit
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>>379334127
I don't need you bitch, I got based Butch
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>>379334817
They wanted it to reference the fact you're not allowed back into the vault in Fallout 1, but didn't have the justification to have it happen outside "You have to go now because I said so."
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>>379334127
Just like real women. Such realistic writing! Todd really is a genius.
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>>379335872
The main story is such fucking trash
I think I beat it once
Then I just walked to the fucking dream chamber and skipped all of it next playthrough
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>>379334127
We had to puy things you know from previous games in the series.
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>>379336074
>implying
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>>379335317
>>379335480
Let's not forget you leave behind 4-5 dead bodies of security officers and possibly the overseer. Even if they attacked you for no reason the regular people won't see it that way.
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>>379335872
This.

The writing in the side quests is actually pretty decent, but the main quest is a trainwreck.

I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that:
A. The majority of the side quests are tongue-in-cheek
And
B: the drama in the more serious side quests is understated and less in your face.
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I'm still mad about what they did to Harold

It felt so wrong man
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>>379335561>>379335730


So why is it okay when Obsidian does it?
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>>379336602
I felt bad for him but at least he had that kid. He was depressed, but not broken.
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>>379335935
Except there was justification. See >>379336163 and >>379335317
Why do most people who criticise Fallout 3 know so little about it?
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>>379336660
Rocket ghouls was funnier than "get out thanks"
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>>379336660
Because in that game it's much more of an exception than a rule. The Bethesda Fallout games exist in that state completely, practically embarrassed by the real lore.
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>>379335575
>Amata: Hey brotherhood, you guys will literally go extinct if you don't recruit help from the wasteland or make a truce to work together with other local factions.
>Brotherhood: That's cool, we'll die for our code.
>Courier: Hey brotherhood, wassup.
>Brotherhood: Hello wastelander, would you like to take our admission test? If you pass, you'll be a proper member of the bortherhood of steel!
>Courier: Done deal. Now, how about we talk about allying ourselves to the NCR?
>Brotherhood: Say no more, our full-fledged brother. Tell them we're allies for good now!
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>>379336803
No it wasn't. It was a shit location with one of the worst questlines and dialogue in the game.
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>>379337035
it's more like a temporary ceasefire
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>>379336770
I just think it was an unsatisfying and dumb ending to such an beloved character of the series
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>>379336602
>the speech he gives you when the reactor is fixed in Gecko about the vault dweller
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>>379337132
this, i've only ever done that quest once and it was enough. on every playthrough after I skipped straight to new vegas just to avoid that bullshit.
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>>379337267
I don't get why he was beloved at all. I don't get why he had to show up in F2, let alone 3.
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>>379336602
It was a logical conclusion considering Herbert had been growing on him since FO2.
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>>379337267
And to think if Bethasda hadn't fucked with him he would have probably showed up in New Vegas...

Why the fuck did Harold walk all the way from West Coast to East anyways?! More importantly, how the fuck did he survive the trip?!
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>>379336660
It's not, that quest was shit, but it wasn't supposed to be some supercharged emotional moment
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>>379336163
>>379336779
You could get through the vault without killing a single person it was hard and autistic as fuck to pull off but you could do it.
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>>379337035

maybe they were just tired of felicia day's irritating lisp.
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>>37933660
It was all wrong. The game was moderately fun but it always felt like some bizzarro alternate Fallout world made by and for dumber players.
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Reminder that people loved F3 when it came out.
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>Get to tenpenny tower
>Dont want to kill ghouls because that makes me a racist
>Dont want to let them in because they murder innocent people
>Even herbert dashwood a man who actively wanted them in
>If I kill them after they kill people three dog still shits on me saying that they "Dindu nuffin"
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>>379334127
>Tfw there will never be an option to romance her and take her with you
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>>379334351
>>379334127
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>>379337737
gun those ghouls down. they already showed their true colors.
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>>379335575
The vault 101 ending is a specific call out to Vault 13 kicking the Vault Dweller out at the end of Fallout 1 though.
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>>379337539
True, but that doesn't change the fact that you were suspected of being involved in your dad's escape.
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>>379337813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq2cH5-j6L4
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>>379337132
sounds like you have no idea what that mission/ location is based around irl

in the 80's/ early 90's a Rocket fuel production facility called "pepcon" located 10-ish miles out side of vegas blew up. The explosion was so massive and devastating that car alarms were set off and house windows were blown out on the outskirts of the vegas strip.
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>>379337732
i loved it, it's just that it really doesn't stand up to repeat playthroughs nearly as well as new vegas does
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>Exit vault after being raised by a loving christian father
>The worst thing I have done in my life is bully my friend that one time
>Immediately nuke an entire town killing a bunch of innocent people for no reason
Evil karma makes absolutely no sense and seems to rely purely on being edgy
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>>379338114
was everyone ok?
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>>379337737
>Get to tenpenny
>live it up without going full nuke mode
>cozy up to ghouls
>SLAUGHTER EVERY TWAT IN THE TOWER
>get a cozy ghouly mask
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>>379338151
Yeah, that's completely fair. I enjoyed it a lot but mainly because I just fucked around exploring unmarked locations for hours, looking around ruins of the city (modded to open up all buildings) was a lot of fun. I couldn't do that in NV, but NV is much better for the main questline and most sidequests.
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>>379338176

The whole destroy the town thing makes no sense and relies on pure edge.

>the giant bomb in the center of town can easily be rearmed by any dumb fuck but the guy asks you to do it because ?????
>the reasoning for blowing up the town is "it's an eyesore from the top of tower"
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>>379337732
No they didn't. /v/ was pretty mad.
>>379338151
It doesn't stand up to a single play through
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>>379338176
Young people tend to rebel in their youth

>the worst thing I did was bully my friend
You don't know that. The game lets you fill in the blanks yourself. Not to mention that you can imply that you're guilty of things like breaking and entering if you pick certain dialogue options.
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>>379338384
They wanted to see a nuke go off.
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>>379338114
That has literally no bearing on the fact that it was a retooled hubologist quest with awful dialogue and just generally dumb as fuck.

>Hey ghoul dude, mind if I take a look at that computer up there? There may be some information we can use to have the nightking leave!
>No fuck you, instead go look for this corpse bitch I fucked with my crusty burnt dick. I could do it myself if the Nightkin left and there's a good chance you'll die, but I guess I can just keep eating radroaches and drinking piss until the NEXT chosen one arrives.
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>>379337035

The problem was the courier was an outsider who literally did EVERYTHING.

Amata had backroom politics and other shit bringing her down.
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>>379338418
Nobody cares what /v/ thinks. Not even /v/.
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>>379338345
>I like going through ugly samey ruins, loading screens, metro tunnels and supermutants
I never understood the appeal
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>>379335872
I recall a screencap someone made of a poster who gave a brilliant explanation of things. Mainly how the first 2 Fallouts and New Vegas made it that your character wasn't the focal point of the story, but someone who reacted and helped guide the plot. They explained how FO3 basically threw that concept out the window and made it that the Lone Wanderer is basically the hero of the wastes, destined to bring clean water or death (or both) to the Capital Wasteland and everyone knows about them or their father.
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>>379338226
the explosion was estimated to be about 1 kiloton of tnt, the area mayt as well have been hit by a small tactical nuke. The pepcon facility as awll as the neighboring marshmellow facility were completely leveled.
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>>379334127
>i came back, saved the vault, and solved all its issues without resorting to violence, all for you. So I was thinking maybe once the vault gets settled we could...
>wtf why are you putting me in the friendzone
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>>379338549
Did you read the post I replied too?
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>>379338384
Lets talk about tenpenny for a second
>Is racist against ghouls according to you gotta shoot em in the head
>Is more than happy to let ghouls in if his other tenants agree and is extremely happy to have a peaceful solution
>Wants to nuke an entire town
Could they not decide on his character or was this just a case of bethesda trying to make an asshole character redeemable before they kill him off
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>>379338418
>No they didn't. /v/ was pretty mad.
The threads enjoying the game vastly, vastly outnumbered the ones whining. /v/ didn't really turn on F3 until well after NV was out.
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>>379337732
I really enjoyed it, but it was my first fallout game. After playing all of them I'd say it's the worst one. It still holds special place in my heart.
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>>379338570
As a modded post apoc sandbox, it was pretty comfy. And the ruins often had shit to find, interesting skeletons or e-mail chains or whatever, something I felt vegas sorely lacked.
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>>379338543

You're looking at it too hard, the entire quest was making fun of Bethesda and how they didn't even follow the lore.

>Every ghoul sounds the same
>Ghouls don't eat and are made from nukes

The entire quest just literally patches and fixes everything Bethesda broke and pees in their butt.
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>>379338475
Its still pretty extreme to kill an entire town cus "Muh rebellion" even if you have broken and entered its still pretty extreme to go from that to mass genocide
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>>379335575
So bad that your dad is pretty much the main character anyway
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Moira Brown is really qt
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>>379338543
You don't have to listen to Harlem, you can just kill the fuck. You also don't have to peacefully clear out the nightkin, you could just attempt to kill them all.
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>>379338672
he knew that the majority in the tower would never want the ghouls in. he was acting coy
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>>379338672

I think his character was just supposed to be "senile old man." When you talk to him about blowing up the town he doesn't even seem to recognize doing that murders people.
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>>379338794
>You're looking at it too hard, the entire quest was making fun of Bethesda and how they didn't even follow the lore.
>This awful location and questline with awful characters and dialogue was just a prank bro
You are one dedicated apologist, you know that?
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>>379338628
>friendzone
no the vault community told you to fuck off
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>>379338910
>You don't have to listen to Harlem, you can just kill the fuck
Doesn't make him any less of a stupid fuck who makes no sense. And he isn't even the only dipshit like that. The funny, funny human who thinks he's a ghoul is another shining example.
He didn't believe you, nor Jason when you tell him he's not a ghoul. But when you [speech] that Jason says hes no't a ghoul, suddenly he believes. Bravo.
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>>379338695
>cherry picking
>only using five side quests for comparison
Now post all of them for each game
There were a few threads for fo3 but not enough for one to really say that all of /v/ loved it, they were always the minority opinion
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>>379338176
>nuking it right away

You should build up to that. Go through the main quest, let your anger at the shitty writing build and then take it out on everybody in the Wasteland
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>>379338791
This.

Don't forget the fact that the dungeons in 3 were alot more complex. NV really dropped the ball when it came to dungeons.
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>>379338928
something about the old guy having a scoped gun atop his ivory tower just sent the wrong message to me.
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>>379339110
The point of that pic is the NV friendly charts also cherrypick. Both games have their share of dumb linear quests.
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>>379338672
Pretty sure tenpenny was rushed to some degree. There's a fully modeled/ detailed world space called "GNR roof" which has a detonation box and some references to a nuclear explosion in roughly the area where Megaton would be.
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>>379338695
Fallout 3 and NV sidequests were great. I think the main difference is that NV has a superb main quest.
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>>379338791
Those email chains were pretty generic though. It was always
>our company and lives are great
>posts start getting slightly grimmer
>guy starts getting nervous about the war
>something like I've always loved you etc with a skeleton next to the computer
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>>379339231
Yeah, I think the main F3 quest is fun for what it is, but for an RPG it's lousy for how linear it is.
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>>379339231
This is exactly right.

I'd even go as far to argue that NV has the only good main quest in the entire series.
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>>379335872
I liked fallout 3 and couldn't even stand to finish fallout NV
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>>379339072
Why would a cult admit they're wrong for brainwashing and using a human. Jason knew Chris his name was chris right? wasn't a ghoul. He's just a self absorbed dick who only cared about the end game of his mission.
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>>379339182
I know but 3 has more and NV has less. It's still cherry picking with the intent to make 3 look good and NV look worse
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>>379338593
reminds me of "the chosen one" you play in skyrim
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>>379339359
Not always, there were plenty of enjoyable ones and funny ones. They just made it feel like there was always something to find in buildings, even if it was just an oddly placed skeleton. So exploring was fun. NV didn't have that and the mojave wasteland is kind of boring, so exploration was much less fun. Though the core game was much better.
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>>379337813
Been awhile since I played Fallout 1 and 2, what's happening here?
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>>379338593
I have that
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>>379339490
Jason told Chris that he wasn't a ghoul, many times.

>>379339504
People cherrypick on both sides. For example, new vegas fans love bringing up how it has more locations than F3, but in practice it's because they put location markers on fucking everything. F3 had tons of completely unmarked locations that had at least interesting things to see.
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>>379339512
I found it funny how fallout 2 made fun of you for being a "chosen one" where literally no one gave a shit about you or who you are until you reach san fran, and at that point you can see in the dialogue that even the main character has stopped giving a fuck.
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I really enjoyed 3, its dlc and mods were top tier
NV however had some real stinkers for dlc, despite the main game being better written than 3
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>>379339504
Name 3 linear side quests from 3.

The Nuka Cola Challenge is the only one I can think of.
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>>379337732
I was excited for it when it came out, but felt pretty empty playing it. It was fun to explore, but I was nowhere near as invested in it as Fallout 2.
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>>379339672
I found it funny that you could play a brilliant scientist in FO2 despite coming from a tribe of family-fucking shit slinging tribals who thought canteens were holy relics.
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>>379334127

>>gets woken up by Amata.

>>Hmm, I was just dreaming about you...'
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>>379339605
After you complete Fallout 1, the Overseer kicks you out because he's afraid other dwellers will want to leave the vault after hearing of your adventures. If you have bad karma or the Bloody Mess trait, you get that scene.
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>>379339168
>bombed out hellscape full of zombies and giant scorpions
>someone on a tower having a gun sends the wrong message

Well shiiieeeeeettttt better kill boone, he sits in a tower and has a gun
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>>379339832
Well part of the main thing in fallout 2 was your progression from being a tribal fuck. I wouldnt consider you becoming a scientist a plot hole as you would need to level up a bit to be as amazing as some of the scientists you meet ingame.
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>>379339605
The Overseer told the Vault Dweller to fuck off so he shot him. Only happens if you have bloody mess or initiate combat as soon as the conversation ends.
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>>379339659
>They put location markers on everything
So? It still has more locations
>>379339697
The two good ones were the pitt and point lookout. Rest were ass. Having the option to eat the baby was a nice touch
>>379339723
I can barely remember any of them. The one with the cannibal family?
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>>379339723
The vampires quest can basically only end one way if you don't want to fail it with the optional part being the guy stays or goes back to arefu
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>>379334127
Same thing happened in Fallout 1, yo.
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>Pls delete that research data
>No
>I am going to try to kill you despite being a feeble walking corpse and you being an invincible mercenary armed to the teeth who just saved me from this plant infested dungeon

Bravo Obsidian.
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>>379339672
>I can help you, Ms. Rooney. How much do you owe Ascorti?
>$120.
>I'd be glad to pay your rent. As the Chosen One, I have little use for money.
>I don't feel comfortable taking money from someone touched in the head, Mr, uh, "Chosen One."
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>>379340112
>So? It still has more locations
No it doesn't. It has more map markers, the map is smaller and more invisible-walled, and they put markers on places with completely non-descript shit like empty huts just so they could pad out location count. Bethesda had tons of places in their map that had no map markers at all, that were still interesting to poke around.
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>>379339643

>that last picture
>muh weapon mods
>muh cogsworth

Its been a long time since i played F4 but werent all the weapon tiers fairly linear in what they did? And due to the lack of different types of ammunition you were basically forced to use whatever gun had the highest damage number for the bullet sponge enemies? Like the guns and gunplay were pretty simplistic.
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>>379340117
That one can end two ways actually.

You either slaughter the vampires, or you negotiate a truce between them and Arefu. Doing the latter gives you an option to join the vampires by becoming one yourself.
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>>379340112
with mods zeta was fucking great, I remember the one that let you build an army with alien tech that would take over the wasteland
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>>379340112
>The two good ones were the pitt and point lookout. Rest were ass.
Nah, Broken Steel was good too. Zeta was shit though.
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>>379340029
you've got a point
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>>379340360
>with mods
mods will fix it isn't a valid excuse
>>379340371
Broken steel was ass. It's where I dropped the game because I was just so sick of it and I haven't picked it back up since
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>>379340325
If you slaughter the vampires you just fail the quest losing out on exp and arefu becomes hostile
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>>379340610
>Broken steel was ass
How so? I thought it was pretty fun
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>>379339697
Old world blues and dead money>>>>>>>all fallout 3 dlc combined.
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>>379340291
Even though there were many mods for weapons, there were only a handful of "best" configurations that every player would eventually get.
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>>379340682
It was just more of the main quest and that was awful. Killing supermutants in hallways wasn't fun and I didn't give a shit about liberty prime and no much is affect by your actions. It's everything wrong with fo3
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Fallout and Elder Scrolls are whatever you want them to be.

Only thing stopping you from enjoying them is being stubborn.
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>>379340159
>Doesn't understand the concept of dying for your principles

I bet you're a minority.
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>>379341346
Dying for your principles is pointless if you don't even have a chance of succeeding. That's just suicide by mercenary.
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>>379340360
mothership zeta crew was what it was. best mod for fo3, and always a staple for any replays. It had a ton of addons and fan content its like like a full fledged addin of it ls own.
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>>379341289
Whoa. Why didn't I think of this before. If I think about liking a game. I'll like it. Whoa.................
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>>379341428
She just wanted to stop the killing of dozens of people and this was probably she had the only opportunity to try to stop you
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>>379340610
"mods will fix it" applies to every fallout post tactics
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>>379341468
As a player home base it was pretty sick.
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>>379339135
I found the vaults more difficult to explore in NV. Can't say anything for the rest.
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>>379341604
It still isn't a valid excuse retard
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>>379340721
old world blues had the worst writing of any fallout dlc to date, old money was fuckin solid though.
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>>379341602
No, it wasn't an opportunity, and someone as "smart" as her should have realized that her feebly half-corpse woman punches weren't gonna do shit to the large, hardened man that just cleared out the whole stupid dangerous vault with a flamethrower. She didn't even have a fucking knife.
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>>379341704
>he thinks it wasn't broken steel, zeta, or LR or the mechanist dlc
Just fuck right off
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>>379338475
That's just a stereotype
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>>379341692
Works for new vegas, vanilla is still shit.

>>379341660
I don't remember about difficulty level, but F3 had some interesting vaults to find, most of the ones in NV were empty and generic.
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>>379341289
>Only thing stopping you from enjoying them is being stubborn.
and voiced protagonists that give you a limited gaming experience
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>>379341842
>vanilla is still shit
No
>generic and empty
How
Fo3s were mostly empty with the occasional oddity like Gary, the only vault that stood out was the super mutant one. NV had ones like the plant one, the white noise one, 34, the election one etc
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>>379337813
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78
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>>379338910
>>379339072

Wait. How can you peacefully get the nightkin out?
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>>379341810
robco certified >>>>>>>>>>>> mechanist dlc ever day of every week my lad
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>>379342320
Whatever, at least FO3 had Liam Neeson in it
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>>379342352
You sneak to the leader, talk to him, and help him find the shipping list that tells him the stealth boys aren't on site anymore. But first you have to do a mission for the ghoul who is too stupid to realize that if the nightkin leave there won't be an issue about him finding all the ghoul bitches he wants.

Or kill him for being fucking stupid.
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>>379338849
She has one of my favorite pieces of rule 34.
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>>379341842
>most of the ones in NV were empty and generic

Did you actually explore them properly, the environment, read all the terminals and shit? I'm not someone who shits on Fallout 3 but NV clearly had more creative and interesting vault concepts.
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>>379342320
There is no amount of autism on this planet that can make me sit through 90 minutes of whining about a popular game that came out in 2008.
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>>379342487
I can't read this
>>379342352
Tell him that the stealth boys are gone genius
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>>379342534
Is it the one that has her get raped
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>>379338176
Yeah, a lot of the evil choices are just 'kill everyone' shit. Should be more stuff like KOTOR 2 or DA:O, where you can just ruthlessly jew everyone, manipulate people, and fuck people's waifus and let them know all about it
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>>379342352
once you talk with the leader he'll say there was a shipping invoice somewhere in the facility, the one harland is guarding. If you go through the facility and sneak/ use stealthboys, you can find the person Harland is looking for. Once you report the results to harland, find the shipping invoice then report back to the night-kin leader.
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>>379337737
>new to fallout
>finish the tenpenny quest peacefully, everyone is going to live together
>meet a random npc hours later
>mentions how glad he is that some rich fucker in tenpenny is dead
>wut.jpg
>ask friend about it
>"yeah dude the ghouls murder the original residents"
>fast travel to tenpenny
>everyone is gone except the ghouls
>bring out combat shotgun and slaughter every single ghoul in the tower
>leave the tower and never come back
never trust a fucking ghoul
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>>379342553
I'll clarify, most of the ones I FOUND felt empty and generic. The plant one was the only one interesting for me, other than that I remember one that was just full of powder gangers (I think) and one that was full of fiends, so they were little more than bandit camps. Oh, and one that was flooded or something and if you did some thing or some other thing the people trapped inside died, but it was kind of weakly presented. I'll take your word for it though, I guess I just missed the interesting ones.

I never finished new vegas because twice the fucking game broke when I went to caesar's camp and I couldn't continue. I'll probably try to play again when I upgrade my computer. But I do remember F3 had a fair number of interesting vaults, even Gary's vault was damned spooky for how seemingly random it was.
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>>379342627
The press A to ejaculate one
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>>379342838
Alternatively you can watch some of the vault lore videos on youtube. I'd recommend them unless you really want to play for yourself. They're good because it's so easy to miss stuff, especially things like item/objects/corpse placement since there's usually a plot reason for them being there.
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Of all the current dumb isekai Manga, I'm actually enjoying Slime Tensei a fair bit.

All those cute goblin and ogre/oni girls, and the MC is a great trap.
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>>379343315
Too bad it will eventually devolve into the MC being an omnipotent shit that nothing can threaten like usual.
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>>379343315
>trap
Isn't his body female?
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>>379343512
It's genderless, but he was a man in the previous life.

Sorry, wrong thread.
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>>379342943
>the one that has her get raped
That's the one that has her get raped
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>>379344150
I'm sorry i fucked up with that green text thing, i don't even know how to do it
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>>379344150
I'm gonna have to request some sauce please good sir
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>>379342747
I did this, but more autistically.
>get everyone together peacefully
>play the game for at least 3 hours
>go back to the tower
>ghouls only
>go back to my first save of that day
>straight up murder the ghouls without even starting the quest
fucking ghouls
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>>379339643
I can't help but notice Bethesda literally advertises their E3 showcase as a theme park

I think they're full well aware of what kind of open world games they're making
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>>379342747
>>379344389

You failed him, /v/.

You failed him.
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>>379344435
>Muh MAIZE
God damn, who cares. F3 had issues, but it had an entertaining world map and some cool towns, even if they didn't have 3 cabbage patches on the outside.
Don't get me wrong, internal consistency is very important and Betehsda often fails in that regard, but you can't just hope internal consistency replaces an entertaining worldspace to play in.
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why do people hate zeta? I thought it was a neat change of setting, the characters were fun and the fact the base canp changed each time you returned was cool.
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>>379340638
>the people of arefu have no way of knowing if that kid is alive or not
>killing the people that have been terrorizing the town immediately makes them hostile
never understood this
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>>379334127
I think it was just a shoutout to the original fallout.
They also kick you out even after saving the vault.
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>>379344693
Wrong post?
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>>379344694
The enemies were the most infuriating bullet sponges ever.

>>379344807
No, the theme park world criticism is usually leveled at bethesda for their setpiece-like maps, which is fair but it doesn't make the map shit simply because it's 1) entertaining and 2) lacks farming area.
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>>379344883
I wasn't criticizing it, i was implying it's intentional, as most people seem to think it's incompetence
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>>379337813
I love that fucking animation for the Overseers death. It is just so brutal.
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>>379344942
Fair enough, sorry.
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>>379334127
>download sex mod
>download pregnancy, childbirth mod
>download gene pool simulation mod
>fuck all the vault women and leave them to die out from inbreeding
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>>379344990
The way he continues to crawl towards the door is pretty great
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>>379344694

Ayys caused the apocalypse.
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>>379338759
>After playing all of them I'd say it's the worst one
did you play 4 yet?
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>>379337732
I liked exploring DC, and no /v/ did not like it.
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>>379337737
>mo bottle caps for dem broadcasts
POST IT FAGET
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>>379335575
You can make him go in with high speech level
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Only faggot redditors give even a second glance at this abysmal excuse of an rpg.

No wonder /v/ has gone to shit.
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>>379342747
>Around ghouls
>never be fooled
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>>379344289
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>>379345458
/v/ liked it a lot.
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Where the fuck is The Colonel Moore Smut?
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>>379334201
Using mods, I put a slave collar on her and brought her all the way to New Vegas and locked her in a cell filled with other slave raiders who rape her on a daily basis.
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>>379337732

In a relative vacuum it's not bad, the main reason why people turned on it was because of the flaws that become apparent when you compare it to other similar games, such as Fallout 1/2/NV and some of the better Bioware/CDPR titles, most of which came after FO3.
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>>379345556
Only after the Broken Steel was released
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>>379345585
>that bush
God Bless the USA
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>>379339643
>8/v/
woooooooow
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>>379341727
The alternative is just let things slide. This is why the west is losing. You all have no back bone.
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>>379338232

Tenpenny was one of the better sidequests in FO3 because of how there was no "good" ending to it- either you pick a side and slaughter the other or you go through a bunch of hoops to try to get them to both get along only for the ghouls to kill all of the humans a few days later. It kinda makes me want to give the game another playthough just to do that quest again so I can make the right choice and murder all the ghouls.
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>>379345938
The alternative is to wait for a better chance, or find some other way to mitigate the damage that you can't stop from happening.

You can't win if you die without actually accomplishing anything.
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>>379337732
it was easily the worst fallout game id played yet at that point but we hadnt had a fallout game since tactics and sometimes you do desperate things. still didnt buy it
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>>379346027
The problem though is that the ghouls seem to do it for no reason despite your attempts to forge bonds between the tenants and them. It feels like something is missing in the attempt to make it all grey in the moral sense.
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>>379343583
Well, I just found something to read.
Thanks anon.
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Jade Empire died for this bullshit.
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>>379346297
They do it because their leader is a human hating scumbag who makes it very clear he hates everyone in the tower. This is what happens when you let in a large population of hateful, miserable strangers into your happy walled community.

Honestly, it's a perfectly foreseeable outcome, just not one you expect in a videogame due to the usual black and white morality.
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>>379346297
Roy Phillips is just a violent asshole that hates humans and never wanted peace. You can tell just by talking to him. He used you to get in and slaughters everyone behind your back.
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I'm probably the only one that used that mod to be invited back in
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>>379337035
It's a brotherhood, not a sisterhood. Absolutely makes sense that they'd listen to a man.
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>It's okay when Obsidian does it
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>>379338476
>look directly at a nuclear explosion
>don't go blind
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>>379346539
Did Bethesda accurately predict the immigration crisis before anyone else?
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>>379339427
Ok
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>>379346936
Do you not understand you'd need to be at least a little convincing with your speech skill to get him to believe you?
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>>379339427
Me neither, but it was not because FNV was bad, but because I was already sick of the Bethesda Engine Fallout at that point.

Later I tried again, but the buggy ass game broke my saves twice.
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>>379347162
Then they should have let you say no, and get an negative answer. It's idiotic that you can't tell the truth unless you pass a speech check.
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>>379337732

They really didn't. Maybe the normies lapped it up, but I vividly remember that Bethesda's forums were bombarded by Fallout fans as soon as information was released. Literally every post was a criticism.

In retrospect, it all made sense. They fucking saw it coming. I was naive and just wanted a Fallout game, so I'd often take to the forums and argue with them. I'd played 1 and 2 in my younger days, after all, and I pointed out that they had their flaws as well. Who cared if the Brotherhood of Steel were a splintered faction of good guys? Who cared if Supermutants were all mindless and evil?

Shit man, I even made a Gametrailers blog post about the merits of a "New Direction for Fallout." I criticized the previous games -- despite loving them -- just to prove that FO3 had the potential to be great.

I don't think I realized how fucking stupid I was until New Vegas was released.
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>>379338695
this chart does not count for the fact that most of the side quests have things that alter the main quest in NV. just because it' linear doesn't mean it can't still have varying change
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>>379347338
>They really didn't
They certainly did, here. It was thread after thread of generally positive game discussion. Sure, there was a fair amount of criticism as well, but it was minor.
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>>379347319
The text changes when you don't have 30 speech into your character spaghetting while trying to say "no".
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>>379347563
How hard is it to say no?
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>>379346531
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>>379347479

Ah, well, I don't remember.

The Bethesda Forums were certainly like... 95% negative though. Which just reinforces the fact that /v/ as a whole is retarded as fuck.
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>>379344435
what are the zones displayed here?
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>>379346983
Who said they don't have the proper eyewear?
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>>379347702
It's all about how no is said. In this context, it's a lie to gain access to a private, illegal stash owned by someone that is moderately proficient at sniffing narks.
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>>379346531
>tfw there will never be another martial arts RPG ever again
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>>379348119
It's not a lie. You don't work for the casinos, you work for the Mojave express.
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>>379344883
it's not that bethesda is shit, it's that they make shitty fallout games
at least, it use to be
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>>379346027
>game focuses on objective morality
>fails at it
>gets praise
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>>379338695
>The threads enjoying the game vastly, vastly outnumbered the ones whining.
No, they didn't.
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>>379348369
do you even fucking remember? I remember talking about it day and night at the time
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>>379348369
Yes, they easily did.
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>>379346551
this could be accurate if there was an option for vengeance, so I honest to god believe this is a bizarre coincidence
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>>379348410
>do you even fucking remember?
Yeah, you're full of shit.
>>379348439
No, they absolutely didn't.
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>>379348616
They absolutely did, you're full of shit. Threads about F3 didn't even really turn negative until NV was close to release. And NV was a fucking mess when it came out so reception was mixed.
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>>379348728
This information is incorrect.
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>>379348785
I don't get why anyone would be so autistic as to be revisionist about a mediocre game that came out in 2008, yet here you are.
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>>379348953
Right back atcha.
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>>379348953
it was fairly split between people upset with the poorly manufactured worlds spread about that don't mingle and kiddies that ate up oblivion with guns
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>>379349295
>the poorly manufactured worlds spread about
Muh maize
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>>379337531
Fuck you.
That is my favorite quest in NV.
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>>379348953
Its not really revisionist. Plenty of grognards always hated fallout 3 from the start, pretty much on the basis it wasn't a clunky isometric game filled with words; its quality wasn't even the issue, its that it was different. People seem to forget the type of people who actually played crpgs back in the day.
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>>379345026
Wow I think I need to go back to fo3 after this interesting things
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>>379338695
i know this is bait, but new vegas has something like triple the number of sidequests fo3 has. it has a ton of these simple, go here do that quests (which usually are still interesting, not due to the actual quest but more the content context of what youre doing), but also a shit ton of quests just as large and expansive as fallout 3's big side quests
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>>379349763
I'm just saying, their presence on /v/ was relatively small. Threads were constant and largely positive. Excessive criticism was usually met with calls to go back to the codex.

This isn't to say there weren't people who rightly shat on the game, but there's no doubt it was generally well received on /v/ at release, and for years after.
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>>379349920
>fetch quests are ok as long as obsidian makes them
NVcucks everybody.
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>>379348195
not that guy but if you dont see the point of the speech check youre just retarded. it doesnt matter if youre lying or not, of course you arent lying. but Mick is secretive and paranoid about showing people that might fuck him over his illegal gun stash, so even if you arent with the casinos and say so, he still wont believe you just to protect himself. only by convincing him with the small speech check will he believe you, regardless of it being the truth or not
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>>379344435
>Pretending they developed Dishonored or Prey

I'm pretty mad.
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>>379350017
>I'm just saying, their presence on /v/ was relatively small.
Now who's being a revisionist cockstain? We've had Fallout threads since the site opened. Stop trying so hard to fit in.
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>>379350083
fetch quests are okay as long as their purpose is to either allow the player to build his character's characterization or to worldbuild, while at the same time not being time or resource consuming. new vegas fetch quests check all boxes, so theyre fine
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>>379350083
>X is ok if Y is doing it meme
Get fucked, kiddo.
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>>379348119
It's not difficult to lie at all
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>>379339643
>That first bit about G.U.R.P.S.

Nailed it. This was just Oblivion with Guns 3 instead of an actual Fallout. Fuck Beth forever for that shit.
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>>379342640
Evil in both KOTOR 2 and DA:O was 90% "kill everyone" though. I miss the murder knife.
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>>379350614
Yeah, but both of those games had the fun kind of evil, where you get to be a conniving twat and cheat people
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>>379350563
Yeah fuck them. I loved it though.
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>>379345682
Amata is from Fo3, idiot.
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>>379351560
There's a mod that lets you play Fo3 and FNV at the same time.
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>>379351560
There's a mod that combines the games
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>>379334351

Me too.

Playing iron Man while gunning them all down in power armor with a minigun really scratches a guilty pleasure edgy itch.
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>>379338695
>compare almost every marked side quest in FO3 to a handful of very simple marked side quests in NV
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>>379335317
or you just sabotage the vault and force everyone to leave their lazy, comfortable life to face the hardships of the wasteland world. it's the better outcome
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>>379342108
White noise is Vault 92 in 3, the hallucination vault was cool too.
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Does anyone else have spurs that go jingle jangle jingle?
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>>379337372

>Bob grew like 2 inches in 100 years
>Harold walks across the continental United States and Bob grows into a 20 foot tall tree in the span of around 30 years

No

It was a retarded "hey remember him" moment and an undignified and undeserving end for the (at that point single) recurring character the game had
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>>379344235
>i don't even know how to do it

I've been here for so long...
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>>379349658
You've gotta be shitting me. It makes me nauseous just thinking about replaying it.
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>>379345938
>pointlessly die "fighting for your ideals" where no one will ever hear or see what you did
>not playing the long game to consolidate your power
this is why the jews are winning, because they know how to play the long game and dont throw themselves to basic urges
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>>379349658
i cant imagine thinking this. was it the only quest you played?
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>>379345556
>him
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>>379345585

>that hand
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>>379353862
You're an asshole.
Jason Bright is a pretty cool guy.
Finding the supplies to their ship is interesting, getting rid of the mutants is pretty cool, and saving or sabotaging them is a neat feature.

That is a pretty chill quest with so many things going on at the same time.

My favorite NV quests are
Come Fly With Me
That Lucky Old Sun
Andy and Charlie

My favorite 3 quests are
The Velvet Curtain
Blood Ties
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>>379342487
tl;dr
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>>379339643

That was a good read. Depressing, though.
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>>379334127
>never finish the quest
>go back to your old room, kill Wally and take it back
> fuck butches mom daily
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>>379337892
>implying that's not bad writing
Shittiest reference ever. I'd rather witness an arrow to the knee joke in TESVI.
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>>379355135
what mod
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>>379355205
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>>379345515
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>Not taking Amata into the wasteland with you
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>>379337813
Significantly better than the Good Karma ending.
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>playing fallout 4
>first real companion you get is Piper
>super qt so I decide to romance her
>after romancing her decide to move on to other companions to get their perks
>pick Cait
>get to her second conversation were she recounts her horrific upbringing
>get an option to flirt
>choose the I'm your friend option as I want to be loyal to Piper
>Cait: "That settles it. Friends."

I felt kind of bad, this must be how be Stacey feels.
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>>379355652
didnt some butthurt redditfag sanitise the combat cause it was rayciss?
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>>379356632
comic*, im a retard
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>>379356131
You did right staying loyal to piper she is top tier material and will have your children
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>>379356632
Dunno. I hadn't heard of this comic until it was mentioned earlier in the thread; I just found it from an archived thread.
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>>379356787
Did somebody actually make Cena's face or is this a mod?
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>>379356946
Who's face, because i can't see anything?
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>>379356632

actually yes, but that's the original one.
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>>379357016
You I like
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>>379350529
And its not that high of a speech check
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>>379356787
i smell what he cooking
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>>379356946
It's a shop
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>>379356131
>>379356719
Alright, lets talk about Piper.

I've never seen a worse first scene for one of the best characters in my entire life. Her first interaction is so cringey and horribly written that I almost completely dropped her.
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>>379354942
I bet you like Bye Bye Love too, faggot
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>>379350229
I think the picture is meant to be all of Beths active IPs they own, not the development part of Beth
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>>379357580
After the gate when you first meet her she becomes more likable and she gets off when you pick locks she's the best
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>>379357580
I really shouldn't of liked Piper as much as I did
Her and Nick were the only good companions in the game. Still a step up from FO3.
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>>379354942
>Andy and Charlie

Literally how?

>walk by ranger station on way to novac
>everyone is alive
>ranger in novac sends you back to check up on them
>walk all the way back
>everyone dead
>walk back to novac
>quest complete
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>>379339643
great read, I read it all. He summed up what I've always felt lacking in modern Bethesda games and all modern RPGs in general: you cannot roleplay, you only pretend.
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>>379346551
That fucking nigger 3Dog celebrates ghouls killing whitey for being racist too.
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How do I make myself like this game? I really want to play it but I burned myself out of FO3 and I just can't get past the first few hours of NV.
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>>379357580
>give this bitch the D so hard she starts writing propaganda for the Institute
>still calls me out for being a douche who doesn't care about the surface

This must be what they call tsundere
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>>379359790
well they had bad karma so you get good karma for killing them ;)
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>>379360137
>this game
*New Vegas
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>>379360137
Take a break and come back to it. Try the older Fallout's as they have radically different play styles.
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>>379354942
I'm ashamed to share a board with you.
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>>379336660
because it's more of a callback than a carbon copy. F3's is the exact same situation as 1. its a shit quest in NV either way. destroy all ghouls
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>>379351654
>>379351724
Not him, but holy shit what?
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>>379339643
What games besides the first two Fallouts follow the G.U.R.P.S.?
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>>379360846
http://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/faq#whatisttw
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>>379360875
tactics and BoS, Van Buren was going to
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>Fallout 4 has waifus
>New Vegas has realistic women

:thinking:
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>>379361209
And Fallout 2 has sluts.
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is fallout 4 any good. Can I play it in 3rd person mode.
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>>379347969
Fallout, Dishonored, Prey, The Elder Scrolls, Doom, and Quake

Then there's 2 things "under construction" which are 2 new IPs they are going to show off.
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>>379337035
The western Brotherhood knew it needed to adapt to survive.

Eastern Brotherhood was far more extremist and could afford to take heavy losses. This is a trait acknowledged by the leaders of the Brotherhood in NV. They literally tell you this.
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>>379334817
To set an example of rules and consequences in the vault. So in future for the safekeeping of the vault people will never have such thoughts crossing their mind.

On the good side tunnel snakes MVP is now free roaming the wastes. Like it or not i wanna see more tunnel snakes and atom cats. Maybe the next fallout they'd be some annoying impprtant factions.
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>>379360308
I always get this bullshit with companions I don't romance that want to have a "talk" after gaining max afffinity. Preston has done the same conversation 50 times even after I told him to keep it professional.
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>>379361348
No, the game can only be played in 2D mode.
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>Find a Stradivarius in a vault
>Never came across Agatha
>End up giving it to a museum
>YO THIS IS THREE DOG DAT 101 BITCH SOLD AGATHA'S STRADIVARIUS INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO HER WHAT AN ASSHOLE AWOOOOOOO
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>>379355652
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>>379361676
I have MacCready and Handcock follow me around Sanctuary asking for my dick all the fucking time. Wish I could just kick them back to Goodneighbor
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>>379337737
>Start quest
>Know that the ghouls are going to fuck everything up, but want the mask
>Make the peaceful deal with the ghouls to receive the mask, then instantly kill the 3 of them
>Return to Tenpenny Tower
>The quest glitches
The guarda and important NPC's are dead, Roy's corpse is on the floor for some reason.
Everyone is running around screaming, but there are no feral ghouls.
Fucking Bethesda can't think outside the box.

>>379344481
He failed everyone in that one settlement that got raided by slavers, and his ghoul bff.
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>>379348195
Technically you're delivering the chip to the Lucky 38
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>>379361831
You now realize giving all those historical artifacts to Abraham Washington was pointless cause Maxson's BoS raids rivet city 10 years later stealing the fusion plant to power up the Prydwen making the place unlivable and probably taking all the documents and artifacts.
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>>379337732
>Reminder that people who had never played a fallout game before loved F3 when it came out.
ftfy
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>>379362150
A task that the Lucky 38 contracted the Mojave Express to do. You were the courier named for the job, BY THE MOJAVE EXPRESS
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>>379362194
>BoS raids rivet city 10 years later stealing the fusion plant
What the fuck did they?
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>>379363002
There's a terminal entry on the prydwen talking about taking a fusion plant from "that old aircraft carrier wreckage". There's only one place the capital wasteland that fits that description. Apparently Maxson rules the whole territory like a tyrant king.
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>>379363601
Meanwhile the Lone Wanderer is chilling on his spaceship
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>>379363601
fucking based
>elder lyons raises maxon with his good guy values
>maxon says "fuck you you're not my real dad"
>maxon becomes elder and is the complete opposite of lyons
he's basically in his edgy teen rebel phase and surrounded by yes men who let him do whatever he wants. it's actually decent writing.
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>>379354965
tl dr the author is a retard
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>>379364000
>it's actually decent writing.
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>Download fallout new vegas because of praise
>get to where them ghouls want you to finish their rocket
>right before i finish i quit
>havent touched it since
Should i go back i wasnt having any fun and it felt like a chore
Then again most games i pirate i never finish Should i go and buy it?
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>>379364093
neck yourself
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>>379364093
that quest is easily the worst part of the game. Power through.
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>>379337732
I liked it, but then I become older and played fallout 1 and 2.
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>>379364130
for what reason
>>379364201
thanks ill give it another go
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>>379364250
bitch
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>>379364000
Lyons died when Maxson was still a kid and Sarah shortly after. Then he brought the outcasts back into the fold and formed the modern asshole BoS with full backing of the western elders.
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>>379364056
it's realistic, maxon came to power during his edgy rebellious phase and that phase never ended because the outcasts returned and they're all technology obsessed psychos and supported his behavior and ideas because they wanted him as elder forever and not another person like lyons.
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>>379364394
how did he bring the outkasts back, did he say sorry to ms jackson?
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>>379364318
Reported and blocked have a good day sweetie ;^)
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>>379334127

and you guys still wonder why you're virgin ?
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>>379345556
And the game still calls you a coward for making the best and most logical decision
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>>379335835
which mods would one require to make this possible?
asking for a friend
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>>379364472
sick meme bud try again
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>>379364535
[This user has blocked you, You will not be able to see their posts until they unblock you sweetie]
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FWE or FOOK?
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>>379364456
He brokered a peace treaty of some sort in person agreeing to focus on gathering technology again but also kept some core tenets of the Lyons regime like mutant extermination and more outsider recruits.
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Hey, can I ask: would it be worth it to buy fallout 3 and New Vegas for PC even though I bought them for PS3 years ago? Do the mods and everything make it a worthwhile enough second purchase?
Never bought a game twice before.
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>>379364646
bad yet again
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>>379364807
[This user has blocked you, You will not be able to see their posts until they unblock you sweetie]
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>>379364093
just dont do the quest if you dont want, you dumb fuck.
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>>379364834
keep trying maybe we can kill the thread
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>>379364781
just pirate the gog version,
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>>379364646
>>379364834
Fucking harsh! I know they can't see those posts but seriously! The rest of us still have to read that filth.
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>>379364891
[This user has blocked you, You will not be able to see their posts until they unblock you sweetie]
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When are the talking deathclaws coming back
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>>379364954
I've become the shitposter in the end
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>>379364928
What mods holy crap
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>>379365019
[This user has blocked you, You will not be able to see their posts until they unblock you nigger1]
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>>379364991
Hopefully never. Not only were they canonically wiped out, it was a retarded idea anyway.
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>>379344693
>I am now in a /v/ where people are unironically defending Fallout 3's poor design
I knew it was inevitable.
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>>379337732
If you're underage maybe.
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>>379364991
Horrigan ripped them all in half
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>>379365079
ecksdee
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>>379338695
How to spot the mongoloid.
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>>379364928
Thanks for the reply. Are there any recommended must-have mods? JE Sawyer's patch seemed interesting. The most I've ever modded a game was for STALKER and Bloodlines: the masquerade
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>>379364928
Is that Freeside?
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>>379364928
What mod adds those weather conditions?
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>>379365106
>implying this is new
There have been bethtards shitting up classic Fallout and New Vegas threads for years at this point. There was even a poorly done screencap trying to ape the one that points out all of Fallout 3's plotholes but for New Vegas going around a while back.
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>>379337732
I know people, younger than me, who were on /v/ at the time and liked it at the time. They were also like 13. I never liked it and still don't.
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>>379338695
What's the beyond the beef bit about?
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>>379365404
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61933/?
this and I think one of the weather mods for fnv on modb
>>379365286
boulder city
>>379365020
gunnetwork weapons/armours and nevada enb with TTW.
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>>379346027
>Tenpenny was one of the better sidequests in FO3 because of how there was no "good" ending to it-
What you don't get is that Bethesda are trying to frame it as "people in tower are bad guys, ghouls are good guys," as you can tell from Three Dog's dialogue. They weren't trying to make it grey, it just turned out that way by accident.
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>>379365409
I saw that, I also saw the retort screencap that blew it the fuck out
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>>379365516
Not defending that image, but Beyond the Beef is the quest everyone points to when they talk about quest complexity in comparisson to Fallout 3.
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have you ever seen a tree?
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>>379338418
Back before NV came out, the common refrain you would see any time someone complained about FO3 was "go back to NMA". /v/ did like FO3, because there's always a significant contingent of people with shit taste on /v/. There are people on this fucking board that like Borderlands for fucks sake.
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>all these people who don't kill threedog on sight for his hat
you get a stuttering dj replacement AND don't have to listen to him berate your every choice like you are playing a telltale game, there is no downside
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>>379341468
i found the pitt had one of the best decisions and villians
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>>379339643
>Simply put, in Blacck Isle's Fallout, the protagonist's story arc is important because it gives the player an opportunity to explore the world around you through your interactions.
> In besthesda's Fallout, the protag's story is important because the world revolves around your character and progressing with story allows you to define your char as "good" or "bad"

really make you think
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>>379337732
I loved it too, then I played NV, go back to 1 and 2 and I found out I can't even clock 2 hours in FO3 when I replay it, people change.

I didn't even bother pirating FO4, it's going to be the same garbage as skyrim and 3 anyways.
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>>379341842
I played Vegas totally vanilla and enjoyed it. Wouldn't call it shit at all, in fact one of the best vidya experiences I've had.
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>>379365914
i wish we could kill bethesda for turning fallout into one of the shittiest series in gaming today
4 felt like they didnt even want to make a game, they just churned it out to spite people for liking new vegas more
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Can someone give me an honest answer on why I should even play Fallout 1 or 2? The gameplay looks as if it hasn't aged well due to when it came out.
Sorry but point and click RPG's aren't really for me I guess.
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>>379334423
>>379334201
>>379335835
>>379345682
You can't just post this stuff and not let a nigga know what mods.
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>>379366010
>to spite people for liking new vegas more

I feel this was the biggest problem with fallout 4. Anytime there was an objectively better system or design choice in New Vegas they would blatantly over look it and go with something worse or fallout 3.

>multiple types of ammo
>skill checks
>companion wheels
>most of the writing style/interaction with the world
>unique weapons

It's just so tiresome.
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>>379366010
It kinda does if you think about it

>what do they eat?
>I dunno, why don't you spend 14 hours planting crops for people and find out you goddamn puke
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>>379335561
>>379335935
It's still DIDN'T MADE SENSE
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>>379366510
ONE JOB TODD
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>>379336148
Todd IS a woman.
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>>379366010
I wonder if Todd get his metacritic bonus requirement lower for FO4
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>>379366686
Nani?
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>>379366703
That stipulation only existed purely for Bethesda to sabotage and fuck over Obsidian.
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>>379366703
>that picture
pottery
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>>379334127
>playing skyrim
>you can marry literally any fucking one
>its all the same shit regardless of the persons origins or dangus
>find an npc i want to marry
>unmarryable
>apparently due to a bug she doesnt always look as intended, normally shes an older npc
>install marrage mod
>still cant get her married

anska, i barely new ye
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>>379366703
>also lower user score

now that's a karma system that actually works
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>all these people who say that Fallout 3 was their first Fallout
>all these people defending Fallout 3/4 and Oblivion/Skyrim

Nuke this board already.
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>>379366464
is he kill?
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>>379334127
But anon, they did it in Fallout 1 and it was so cool and dark, so we put it in our game like the dedicated Fallout fanboys we are!
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>>379338960
Says the buttmad Bethesda shill.
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>>379366985
it's only going to get worse, halo was already starting to get praised and people felt "nostalgia" to it despite everyone on this board acknowledging it at the time as a mediocre shooter who got promoted to poster boy status thanks to it's casual-friendliness.
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>>379367163
Dragon Age, Call of Duty and Mass Effect get the same treatment nowadays. And these underage pricks will try their best to convince you that it "always has been this way" and YOU are the newfag.
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>>379366985
Fallout 3 was my first fallout game. I am 19 years old.

Fallout New Vegas is my favorite fallout game. Although I wish there was more weird quest lines that were involved like becoming a porn star in Fallout 2.
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>>379361264
So fallout 2 has the realistic women?
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I just hope the next elder scrolls/fallout game ditches the 'you are the chosen one' trope. Being the dragonborn was alright because your character was otherwise a blank slate, but I hated how the main story in Fo4 revolved around finding my son. Hard to imagine yourself as a lone wanderer when you won't shut the fuck about finding your kid to everyone you pass. I had the mod on PC that showed entire dialogue lines at a time, it was funny to see that every conversation had three different variants of saying yes to a question.
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>>379366330
>Can someone give me an honest answer on why I should even play Fallout 1 or 2?
If you like Fallout
>Sorry but point and click RPG's aren't really for me I guess.
Then don't play them
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>>379368171
So kinda like Oblivion? You weren't the chosen one, but you're were the mary sue under the chosen one, I would honestly take another game with a shitty main quest like Oblivion, but sick side quests that made up for it
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>>379368469
That's the problem with the last couple Bethesda games, the main quest sucks like every other game they've done, but they don't even bother trying to make up for it with creative sidequests and use that shitty radiant system instead. You can have all the dungeons and locations in the world, but they don't mean jack shit if you don't have anything interesting to do outside of combat and shit loot to populate them.
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>>379368613
>the main quest sucks like every other game they've done, but they don't even bother trying to make up for it with creative sidequests and use that shitty radiant system instead
Reminded me with what Joseph Anderson once said: The point of radiant quest is to make an infinite number of quests that are indistinguishable from the handcrafted ones, but the reality is that the handcrafted quests, both the main and the side ones, are so bland that every quests felt like radiant quests.
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>>379364201
Why do people not like it again?

It is the fetching part? I always remember where to look for the parts so I just rush them each time.
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>>379364201
>>379368871
I thought it was one of the most complex and funnily written quest in the game too
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>>379368871

It's because it's very long and tedious, with a lot of going back and forth and waiting around.
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>>379364928
Is there a difference between Steam and Gog version?
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>>379368994

Steam has cheevos.
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>>379368994
GoG is easily pirated
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>>379361676
>>379361959
Wtf theres romance in fallout 4?
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>mfw I killed everyone. Just mowed them down with a gatling laser.
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>>379361941
Listening to anything that isn't the Enclave radio
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>>379338176
The better question to ask is why the fuck would anyone build a town around a bomb and no crops to build on

Also people wanting to try fallout 3 (don't though) should consider this: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/22318
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>>379369139
You can romance certain companion when you max out how much they like you
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>You shoulda seen my pop, he personally saved old Stanley! But I guess you wouldn't know what it's like to have a hero for a dad, would you?
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>>379369139
Yes. It just boils down to having a companion follow you around and lockpicking things, saying things in dialogue with other people that they like, and badda bing, they hop on your dick after a charisma check.
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>>379365648
this is just another confirmation of my belief that the people working on fallout 3 had more competence than people gave them credit for

you helped the adorable outsiders against the greedy isolationists, and everyone involved gets the final redpill for their careless immigration policy, justifying the original decision to defend the wall

meanwhile in fallout 4, there's a group of people that think that robots are alive, and they are a main faction that are portrayed in a positive light
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>>379369338
What's he say if you killed stanley at the beginning
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>>379337732
was my first fallout game. i didint know any better.
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>>379342487
k
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>>379369457
Maybe you're just trying to make connections that aren't there dumbass
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>>379366985
3 was my first Fallout. Played 5 hours until I got bored of it. I stopped playing Fallout 4 after 3 hours, of which almost half way spent fucking around with the settlement builder. Compared to NV, where I have done multiple runs and am now thinking about starting another modded one because of this thread. You don't need to have played Fallout 1 and 2 to see how boring the Bethesda versions were
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>>379337035
>Tell them we're allies for good now!

The game very well tells you that it's a truce, and nothing more. The BoS still does their shit, but under watch of the NCR.
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>>379337732
People were hyped. It was also people's first Fallout game. The first few hours were fun, then realized that there was no substance or deepness to the mechanics. Then those people played 1 & 2.
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>>379338176
>evil karma was too easy to get in 3
>evil karma was almost impossible to get in NV
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>>379337035

that it's not how it goes out at all you fucking autist, they strap a collar on you and force you to work for them, then you have to formerly ASK to join and they just give you ammunition, training and the TITLE, but you are still not allowed full access to the archives and mainframe, then they do not ally with the NCR at all, they just form a truce to upset the balance of the forces for the time being due to their technological superiority
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>>379364490
>he cares what the games calls him
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>>379371039
>he didn't do Veronica's quest
It's your own fault. Veronica let me in and they didn't put a bomb collar on me
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>>379337732
I choked back sobs of dismay and forced the fakest smile I could best at the time. There was no other alternative like there is now, until NV came out I just thought both western RPGs would be dead for good and Fallout would lie rotting in the hands of Bethdesa, another great series to be casualized at the hands of incompetent developers. This was 2007 so I like a big portion of /v/ only feared the worst for the industry, we were right to be afraid
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>unironically playing Fallout 3
>>
jesus christ todd can you rape the lore any more, fucking hell....
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>>379347891
Completely true.

I was on the green forums as well. I liked Morrowind back then and I had nothing in particular against Bethie. I knew their strengths and their faults. When they announced that they will be doing Fallout 3, I immediately realized it was a bad idea. I was hardly alone. There were grade A asskissers on that forum, yet they knew Fallout 3 would be bad even before it was released. Somehow, /v/ couldn't process this fact even after playing it.
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>>379342506
I still hate this dumbass quest.

I played a sneaksmith, and fuck me for thinking I can just sneak up there, right? I figured if I was at least careful enough to avoid the traps, he shouldn't notice a thing. Nah, fuck goes autohostile if you put your big toe on the stairs up to him. Worse, he doesn't even notice you if you're in stealth. He just turns red and doesn't move.
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>>379364394
>>379364665
Keep in mind that was the "official" story, as told in Maxson's self-approved biography. It's also said there were a number of temporary elders after Sarah, while Arthur himself was appointed only after they managed to contact Lost Hills.

He's basically a puppet king living out childish delusions of grandiose tales of heroism with himself at its center. If not for his intellect and resolve people might actually catch on to his bullshit.
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>tfw every game the enclave gets pushed further into extinction
>i just want to help them take back america
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>>379375695
Same.
>ywn have FRANK HORRIGAN as a companion
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>>379375695
I'm still mad that they just attack you out of nowhere. Maybe i'm a villanfag who wants to join them. Where is my freedom of choices, bethesda?
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>>379375695
Colonel Autumn literally did nothing wrong
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>>379377885
You know- he really didn't.

In the end, Autumn's Enclave and the Lyons' BoS wanted the same thing.
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>>379378023
But why attack the purifier team, why in the hell did the enclave needed so much clean water?
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>>379375695
I really wish they weren't wasted on 3. They could have been utilized so much better, and if they come back for like the third time after all the shit they've been through, it would just seem forced. Still though, I just want one game where you can join them as a legit faction and purge muties and impure wasteland punks side by side with grunts in hulking, sinister Advanced PA.

Though with how they handled the BoS in 4, it seems like they might eventually take up that mantle in some way. But they just don't have the same fashion sense.
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>>379378148
The brotherhood and enclave had the same goals, To use the purifier to gain control over the capital wasteland through control over the water.
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>>379339940
Lol
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>>379339605
>been awhile

you never played it, lying whore
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>>379378223
NV did give the Enclave a good sendoff
bunch of old farts getting together one more time and showing the world why they were the baddest motherfuckers to walk the wasteland
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>>379347338
There was nothing wrong with the BoS splinter faction
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>>379378798
Lyons' BoS was a poor man's Midwest BoS, only with more chivalrous whiteknight bullshit shoehorned in so Emil and the other quack writers at Bethsoft could feel more at-home writing for a futuristic setting.
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>>379378463
Yeah but they completely fuck over Arcade if he helps.
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>>379380539
>Not telling him to go to the followers instead of fighting so you can get his armor
You are doing it wrong.
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>>379380539
Every single ending fucks over Arcade, he was made to suffer
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>>379377885
He shot Jane.
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>>379380630
He's sort of okay if you tell him to go back to the Followers and go for an Independent New Vegas. He's not exactly ecstatic with the result, but he lives his life helping people to the best of his ability. He's better off that way than pic related.
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>>379380670
who
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>>379381110
One of Li's scientists. Autumn shot her in the purifier to get James to cooperate.
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>>379380670
I looked it up and I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 'Janice', But yeah I guess murdering her was wrong. All killing her did was make James kill himself and break the purifier even more.
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>>379338910
>>379338543
You can peacefully clear out the nightkin?
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>>379338794
How were they making fun of Bethesda?
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>>379381684
Yeah, don't know where I got Jane came from
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>>379342320
>ugly balding leftist faggot takes out his insecurities
Lmao
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>>379337813
>FO2 reveals he's with Enclave anyway and wanted to keep everyone in the vault for the radiation purity shit
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>>379334127
>same ending as fallout 1
so?
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>>379335575
you can send him in if you have broken steel
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>>379381720
They weren't he's talking out of his ass. The quest was originally going to be in Van Buren and they just brought it back wholesale in New Vegas, only removing some lore about the Enclave and their ultimate goal of colonizing other planets and how the Vault experiments played into that.
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>>379361941


>Falling for the innocent refugee meme

The only winning move is to instead wipe out those filthy shitskins
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>>379336660
that's a good quest, it's meaty and the characters are interesting.
And it has actual work put into it.
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>>379381812
>That fucking DS2 video
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>>379338593
kek, nice picture senpai

cp: ultra close
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>>379381812
/v/ hates hbomberguy so much because he actually makes arguments they can't refute instead of just whining about his feelings like most on the left do nowadays.
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>>379382163
wait what? Really?
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>>379382601
Not with Enclave specifically, he probably doesn't know what the Enclave is. But he was part of the Vault experiment and knew what was going on with it, which goes back to the prewar US government, which the Enclave is the remnant of
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>>379382601
also says the vault guys lynched him for kicking the dweller out and left to join his tribe or wander the wasteland
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>>379344435
talking to people that "care" about fallout, all they want is an open world where they can shot stuff... "we care about fallout, just in a different way than you."
I argued that the world building and story of fallout 4 and the endless plotholes made the game BAD but it doesn't seem like people beyond me and /v/ cares about that, everyone else just want a sandbox where they can shoot stuff...
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>>379382965

Fuck I hated the storyline and writting that made no fucking sense, and contradicted itself for no apparent reason.

But it's gunplay and open world exploration were good.
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>>379382965
There are plenty of people who care, they're just drowned out by the sea of secondaries and casuals who take Todd's dick up the ass and think Bethesda can do no wrong. Company worship is the stupidest fucking thing.
>>
Was it ever explained why the ghouls have black eyes in 4?
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>>379383372
>Radiation lmao
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>>379383372
presumably a design choice
same reason some still have most of their hair
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>>379383372
The same reason the Vault doors, jumpsuits and 10mm pistol and a bunch of other returning things look different. Different art direction. Not all of them were black though.
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>>379383372
Who cares.
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I like the mirelurk design better in 4 but i wish they were called something else... why the fuck is the king mirelurk still a humanoid? how does he fuck the queen? she's 10times his size!!!
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>>379383372
They look like burn victims in F4
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>>379383605
i do.
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>>379383652
I mean, they are literally burn victims since they have suffered radiation burns
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>>379383652
More like cheap latex monster masks you'd see in a shitty B horror movie.
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>>379336602
>play 3 before the first two games
>have no idea who this guy is
>mfw recently played 1 and going through 2 now
>I had completely forgotten he was in 3
>mfw this post
I guess it makes sense he would turn in a tree. Pretty cool actually
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I like how F4 invalidates the main plot of F3 because you can easily make water purifiers out of some scrap.
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>>379384264
I mean, they could have invented some home made purifiers in that time between games.
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>>379383508
To be fair a lot of designs in FO4 look more faithful to the original titles. Power armor being the greatest achievement, imo
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>>379384434
They had a water purifier in Megaton.
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>>379384264

Well two explanations

1) The events of Fallout 3 allowed water purifiers and their schematics to spread out from the capital wasteland

2) Small scale purifiers were always available but a huge scale purifier that could provide water for thousands was the game changer that was plot important
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>>379384543
i wish the power armor didn't scale linearly and the same with all the weapons aswell, once you get the best upgrades there's no reason to experiment or try something different. i think the best power armor was x1 or something
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>>379384434
You're a guy who was frozen for 200 years, don't forget that. And you suddenly can make water purifiers straight outta my ass with no explanations.

Also F4 contradicts itself with that kid in the fridge quest and ghouls needing food and water in your settlements.
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>>379383372
There's a mod for that.
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>>379384697
>2) Small scale purifiers were always available but a huge scale purifier that could provide water for thousands was the game changer that was plot important
pretty sure it was debunked that it would be so difficult to de-radify large amounts of water like it is in that game. think it was on youtube or some article.
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>>379384697
>but a huge scale purifier that could provide water for thousands was the game changer that was plot important

Just make more of the small ones then?
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>>379346767
>playing as courier (male)
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>>379357116

Wrong
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>>379384816
I hate that she doesn't even react to the giant lizards or anything really, it is possible to make the fallout 4 story good, with what's there but bethesda just doesn't care enough to put the effort into it.
i hate the whole son-mainquest, it's stupid and i can't imagine why people feel it's "original" or "OMG MINDBLOWN", some times i wonder if it's just me.
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>>379384736
I'm glad they brought back the original APA.
Couldn't stand the version from 3, too flimsy...but I guess all the PA in 3/NV suffers in that department
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>>379384816
GAMEPLAY
REASONS
I think Fallout 4 was shit too, but it was a game, and games don't need lore explanation on all gameplay mechanics.
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>>379347192
Did you play it on console or something?
Also
>not having multiple saves
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>>379375695
>>379375695
This so much, I was already fucking mad that they didn't give you a chance of siding with Enclave in Fallout 2 besides the other hundred choices you get in side quests because

>Lmao, we don't need you hehe

Fuck that bullshit, and fallout 3 enclave mashing is just a disgrace, NV did them good however..

Playing Underrail, however, somewhat made up for that need
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>>379345576
reeeeeeeeeeee das raciss
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>>379384903
>being a faggot

nothing wrong playing a woman every now and then but if you deliberately play as a woman everytime it becomes a form of escapism.
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>>379385031
*she
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>>379356131
>>379356719
>>379357580
Curie > Cait > Ada >>> Dogmeat > Mini-Nuke to the face >>>>>> Piper
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>>379347192
>Later I tried again, but the buggy ass game broke my saves twice.

>not using the 3 rolling save technique
come on breh
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>>379385102
Not on all, but I suppose it would be good if it had ANY explanation at all. Just to make the world more consistent.

>>379385031
I actually did finish F4 without getting to one of the first locations around Sanctuary which I went to after I finished the game and my character could ask the farm owner what's a brahmin.
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>>379385396
Did you play as a guy? Are you gay?
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>>379385359
You may be right there, I have wanted to be a girl since puberty. I'm not trans, though, as that would just make me a man with no dick. I have accepted that I can never become a biological girl,
and have settled for playing as them in games.
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>>379364781
New Vegas is definitely worth it. Pirate FO3.
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>>379385672
That's sad.
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>>379385595
You a virgin that needs to see t&a all the time?
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>>379385934
>tfw always playing as a male because of self inserting
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>>379364781
Just pirate everything, only bethesda profiting from this, so you're not doing any favors for the industry.
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>>379385556
Well if we are going to talk about lore and gameplay explanations, we never found out how female character knows how to use power armor and guns.
It makes sense for male protagonist because he was in the military but female protagonist was a lawyer.
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>>379385934
>he's gay
>throws a tantrum to change the subject
closet much?
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>>379386194
from a lore perspective the power armor should be so easy to use that even a toddler could do it.
guns on the other hand is totally different.
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>>379386471
Your logic is fucking retarded.
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>>379386194
They should really stop with the set backstory horseshit. It does nothing hut hinder player freedom and it's lame as shit.

>muh emotional narrative experience
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>>379386567
But we had to get special training from Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 3 to use power armor.
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>>379386727
>emotional narrative
>you're supposed to feel anything for the loss of someone you saw for literally 5 minutes

Woooow
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>>379386847
Emil is a fucking hack with daddy issues.
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