>People seriously think MMO PvP is skill based and not the

What else is there, MOBAs? In contrast, MMOs are the definition of depth.

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>>379301041
>He never played Guild Wars

>>379301214
Fighting games? Shooters? RTS? Hell, MOBAs require more skill than MMOs as well. MMOs are far worse balanced than all of these, and none of the depth is in the skill based gameplay it's instead in stats n numbers instead that are raised by being able to do non-related tedious grinding activity.

>>379301041
Grinding and pay2win is the only way normies can see their progress in game and have a feeling of accomplishment.

>>379301214
Any match-based game is more skill based than grinding game.

>>379301214
>If it isn't an Excel simulator it isn't deep!
>CASUUUULL

I can't think of anything that beats WoW pvp in terms of skill ceiling

>>379302645

Ultima Online.
Darkfall.

>>379301041
You got so blown out in the MMO thread that you had yo make a fresh one once it died.

Can't let it go man, can you?

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>he didn't play shaman in vanilla wow that could 1shot most classes

>>379302834
That got patched out extremely quickly. Windfury proccing on itself I mean.

If you mean people with Rag and rank 14 gear, then yeah no shit.

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>>379301432
Fighting games have little to no permanence or trading economy.

Shooters often don't either, but also the majority of shooters are awful. The only really decent games are either empty or Titanfall 2 / Advanced Warfare (the latter of which is empty).

RTS are that as well.

>MOBAs require more skill than MMOs
Except for having more than 4 buttons.. etc.

WoW explicity is completely balanced around pre-defined stat sheets upon entering an instance -- something like +1% per 10 whole ilvls. Plus legendaries.

The point is that "4 buttons, and a few items, with 10s CDs" has little place in a discussion about the depth of PvP. The whole gameplay is playing top-down, click-move bumpercars or "staying out of range while poking". WoW has massive mobility and utility designed.

Even EVE has 3D gameplay and fast movement.

>some people seriously think MMO PvP isn't skill based
Gee, I wonder why everyone isn't high rated!!
2/10, 1 for the shitpost, 1 for making me reply

>>379301041
Jokes on you, the open PvP ones are all about zerging.

>>379303126
>and fast movement
>go to a massive battle in my massive multiplayer online
>2 FPS per minute
>the side who bring more people win
Nice game, nerd.

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>>379301310
>Guild Wars will never come back
>nobody is even trying to copy it/spiritual successor
>mmos are dead forever

>>379303003
Not him but elemental shaman was the biggest bullshit in the entirety of classic WoW, the second you got your hands on the AQ40 set you could oneshot anything

>>379301041
at the highest level everyone has the same gear

>>379303347
>massive battle
Which rarely happens? Just like WoW rarely has city raids?

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>>379303367
Its not a good feeling, no game will ever allow for the multitude of creative builds ever again.

Runescape 2007 is the epitome of that Rng based shit, but I still love it

>>379303549
>he still thinks WoW and WoW-clones are the birth of MMOs and other actual MMOs don't exist

>>379303383
>shamans killing you was the biggest bullshit

nigger fear had no DR, warlocks could literally just waste your entire day if they wanted

>>379303549
>Which rarely happens?
Then why even play a "massive" game? Do you really like the spreadsheets that much?

>Just like WoW rarely has city raids?
Dunno about current WoW, but these were relatively common during vanilla. And guess what? The side with more people always won.

I'm not OP, but I agree that open PvP is a huge mistake. The MMORPG PvP experience peaked during RO's WoE.

>>379303778
Same with Sap and Rogue

>>379303725

wow is the only mmo that people cared about

it was so popular that it killed the genre

>>379303883
>Then why even play a "massive" game?
What MMO has 1k-character battles, then?

>>379303778
>>379303914
Actually, every CC. Fear was the worst offender because the can damage you from range and re-apply it.

>>379301310
Not a typical MMO, which is also the reason it was so good.

>>379304071
It was technically a CORPG I think is what they called it

>>379304004
Good ones.

I'll be happy just with thousands tho.

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>>379301041
>people seriously play MMO
ftfy
I fucking hate that genre so fucking much
if there was any genre more deserving to die, it is MMOtrash. Even mobas are better than WoW garbo

>>379304169
>MMOs are WoW
4chan is 18+

>>379303347
>the side who bring more people win
Negative.

https://zkillboard.com/related/30000142/201706061900/

>>379304362
Fucking kill yourself
GW was shit, the whole genre is shit

>>379304412
>27 guys
I was talking about "massive" battles, give me some report with more players than a decent FPS.

>>379304537
>GW is old
Fuck off kid, adults are talking.

>>379304537
>UO was shit

lmao how can someone have such shit taste

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>>379304537
>GW was shit
What's it like living with the taste of shit in your mouth all the time?

>>379301041
>imbalanced
Why?
Unlocking stuff is how an mmorpg is meant to be played if you can unlock everything from start it's not an mmorpg.
>balanced skill
Why?
So you can show your dick off while you got lucky or using your knowledge of the game to overplay noobs or casuals?

Both M are what is wrong with video game nowadays. Massively and Multiplayer distinctively

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>>379301310
>GW2 is so dead that the general thread on /vg/ is actually just a bot posting random responses to itself in order to keep the thread alive

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>>379305673
How sad. Fuck, if only they did something to try and boost the small playerbase still on GW. I would love to do HA and AB again.

>>379305673
it was doomed pretty much from the get-go with their weapon = skills thing, but the kick that accelerated it down the hill of shittery even more was the second they put angel/dark angel wings in the game.

There is no more obvious turning point of a game's downfall than gem/token/credit shop wings.

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>>379305937
>GW is better than GW2
Tit...

>>379305673
Proofs?

>>379306896
Go look at the thread.

>>379306896
go look. it's rough

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>>379305673
that's some mentally ill shit right there, nobody even posting in the thread.

i decided to post about this in the feedback section, hopefully they just straight up ban gw2 threads.

>>379302767
>other guy brings in CS when he couldn't back up MMO pvp being good
Don't be so delusional.

>>379304537
GW isn't even an MMO.

Are you retarded too?

>>379303126
>no permanence
>SSFII not the longest lasting competitive game
>implying MMOs have permanence

>trade economy
>in competition
What?

>shooters don't either
Quake 3 and CS begs to say otherwise.

>Except for having more than 4 buttons.. etc.
It's taking all the RPG aspects and puts them in a race like format. Mobility and positioning is very important. Since everything's a race against time, normal MMO esque stuff like gearing, progression, and mob grinding require skill as well.

WoW has very little skill required with rogues and mages always being at the top since CCs and high damage dealing are given prevalence over other thing while other classes other utilities are useless for PvP.

EVE's gameplay is braindead as fuck (charge head on in large scale cool looking but boring to play fights.)

>>379303245
Not everyone has time to grind for the best gear with the best class.

>>379303347
>zerging
And that doesn't require any skill. Here's how it went in whats considered one of the best games with this stuff (DAOC): majority faction is winning, the other two minority faction joins up to beat them, then the winning faction of those two is majority, then the cycle repeats. Cool spectacle, but not competitive or skill based at all.

>>379310984
>Quake 3 and CS begs to say otherwise.

>Quake 3
So all the guns are equal?

>CS
So all the guns are equal?

>>379303529
No they don't because end level has its own progression. But more importantly it's how imbalanced MMOs are that makes this worse.

>>379301041

Well you didn't say what's bad about it so I'll assume your single complaint is your image.

This might blow your mind, but there are MMOs with PvP that don't have gear progression?

>>379305179
...what the fuck was this sperg post supposed to be? No shit if you want to play something competitive you make it skill based instead of "min max X to win so that nobody can beat you regardless of how little you try and how much they try"

>>379311156
Retard

>>379311145
>And that doesn't require any skill
That was my point. Open, unrestricted PvP is a mistake.

>>379311156
>Q3
both players have access to the same skills, guns, powerups, etc.

>CS
both players have weapons balanced against each other (so if one weapon is stronger in one way, the other is better in the other way)

This isn't MMO shit like a DAOC Skald that can solo non-Skalds without trying much or WoW rogue that has 100000 incapacitating moves or WoW mage with their many utilities and high damaging. MMO balance has historically made one class or play style the overly dominating style. Sure SSFIV had Akuma, but even he wasn't that much more dominant as EVO had someone like Gen win out despite not being "top tier".

>>379305673
i heard it was some fag mad about getting kicked from the guild or something and decided to nuke the general until people stopped posting

this was a story from an anon /v/ so it might be all bullshit
regardless, dead game

>>379312157
>WoW rogue that has 100000 incapacitating moves
>WoW mage with their many utilities
Looks like you don't have checked WoW in a while.

>>379311694
You don't play enough MMOs if you really haven't figured out by now what's bad with it. Go to Elysium, level a Warrior, fight an equivalent geared mage at max level. Without a priest. You'll lose 9999 times out of 10000.

>>379304537
summer >_<;;;

>>379312310
Frost mage still has Frost Bolt, Ice Barrier, Polymorph, and Frost Nova, right? Hell, their old Fire Blast for instants got replaced by Ice Lance which is probably stronger since I am sure there are like all sorts of frost damage boosters just for Frost Mage.