Why does it seem like everyone has discarded this game from

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>>379292538
Even the shittiest game company, even if they're TRYING to make a game as shitty and disappointing as possible, will at least do one minor thing right, even if by accident.

Bethesda somehow managed to fuck literally everything up.

>>379292538
I tried to like it. Can't bring myself to bother playing again. It's just so mediocre. Everything Fallout 4 offers is done better by other games.

It's painfully forgettable.

>>379292538
Forgettable. And I put in 200 hours. Probably would have been less if I hadn't found that explosive combat shotgun.

Every pellet explodes. It's glorious. Pretty much game breaking.

It isnt good enough to remember fondly, but it isnt bad enough to remember spitefully.

IT exists in the limbo of mediocrity, cursed to be forgotten by this november

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Story was ass
RPG elements were completely thrown out the window
Combat was awful, a step down from Fallout 3 and New Vegas
Enemies were bullet sponges, I almost forgot all this because I had to mod the game in order for it to work like a half-decent shooter
Perk system was ass
Surprisingly the only thing that I liked was the Minecraft-like settlement building, and I fucking hate Minecraft.

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Pretty much everything that has been posted thus far. It was one big boredom enchilada.

Because the story and factions were pure crystalized unlaterated shit

As much as people like to pretend Fallout 3 was bad, it really wasn't. It had an atmosphere beyond what New Vegas or Fallout 4 were able to obtain.

Plus Fallout 4 was graphically underwhelming for what should've been the next generation of Fallout but was really just another New Vegas feeling expansion of a game.

>>379292538
>one hour into game
>here's your end-game power armor
>and here's Deathclaw that used to make you shit bricks in previous games ready to be downed like in a shooting gallery
>now that you've got your Fallout experience go play fucking post-apo themed Minecraft
I'm so glad I didn't buy this piece of shit, and I put hundreds of hours into every previous game (yes, even 3).

>>379292538
it was totally forgettable op and not worth a second playthrough,it was so mediocre i didn't bother with any dlc, so it's best left forgotten.

Because honestly, it was forgettable. Even the die hard rabid retarded Fo3 fans ultimately had to admit it. The novelty has worn off. While TW3 and arguably Skyrim still got a pass on all their shitty shallow elements, because they were often the introduction to the genre to many people, and they grew up with them: Fallout 4 was just more of the same mediocrity. Even worse possibly, because Fo3 at least had that cheap and awful heartstring pull on all the insecure boys who really wanted to hear their fathers saying how they are proud of them, but none of them is capable of relating to the other side of the story. Especially when its so poorly told.

It's just the same bloody formula that never had anything particularly valuable to offer in the first place: and now the novelty has wore off.

>>379295109
>It had an atmosphere beyond what New Vegas was able to obtain.
You actually have to be an idiot to think this. I don't doubt that you people feel this way, it just worries me what the fuck has to be wrong with you that you do. The game was insultingly stupid. The experience of atmosphere heavily comes from your brain being able to connect certain dots together, to find them meaningful and relatable. Contradictions, clear immediately noticeable stupidity or laziness, or lack of referentiality to meaningful real-world concepts damage atmosphere.
Fallout 3 was one of dumbest, most poorly designed pieces of fiction I've ever seen. There is no synergy of it's themes, there is no logic to it's environment, there is no attention to detail, there is no relationship to anything from real world.
This is like if people claimed that fucking Transformers had great atmosphere. I mean: I guess if that is what you feel, there is nothing anyone can do about it: but it is still pretty fucked up.

>>379295997
That's a lot of words for such a retarded post

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>>379292538
Its not that it was a horrible game, but the fallout franchise has pretty much started a cult following after 2, which only got bigger after new vegas. And understandibly, there was a lot of hype for 4. It really just disapointed a lot of fans and turned them away, which incidentally also strengthened the love for new vegas

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>they actually managed to make a game worse than 3
H O W

>>379296365
At least you can convey your own stupidity efficiently then. Point for you, I guess?

>>379295997
>There is no synergy of it's themes

I was referring to Fallout 3 which is a video game in which you can role play and experience environments and sound design and the world in general. By atmosphere, I didn't intend on referencing the literary nuances of the character or "story".

>>379295109
>It had an atmosphere beyond what New Vegas was able to obtain
Maybe if you're a pleb with zero sense for fiction worldbuilding. Or roleplaying, for that matter.

>>379296480
You're rude, on top of being an idiot

Maybe it's because I'm from Boston, but I thought it was OK. The new survival mode in particular made the game much better and felt like how it was meant to be played.

In either case, I don't know how anyone can praise FO3 and New Vegas but shit on FO4, since it improved on everything except for the dialogue (which was worthless and shitty in FO3 and NV anyway). The only people who say otherwise are underage fags who desperately want to feel "cool" on an anonymous imageboard.

>>379295109
>>379296529
>muh atmosphere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0

>>379296543
Go on and continue your thought then. You people seem to think that Fallout 3's world doesn't make sense while consistently defending the fact that the actual city limits of New Vegas has a population of 15.

>>379292538
It was a game of the month flavour that was pretty bad but not mediocre enough to remember it.

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I honestly love it. It's a shit RPG but a fun as fuck sandbox FPS.

NV > 2 = 4 > 3 = 1

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>>379296887
Hi Todd

>>379296745
Again, atmosphere has nothing to do with the fucking story. Who cares if the story rambles. It's not about that. It's about experiencing the fictional world and living in it for a while.

>>379296730
Maybe you're not technically underage but you're probably like 18 or 19 and don't know shit about video games

>>379292538
because its literaly Farcry with a 60s touch to it, a set character, no roleplay, shit mods, I'm not even sure loverslab can give it any value

>>379296529
>I was referring to Fallout 3 which is a video game in which you can role play and experience environments and sound design and the world in general.
Well, considering that the game has virtually no roleplaying mechanics you really can't - but more importantly: we are still talking about the same things. All of those are just different sides of the same coin. From art direction applied to most basic items past music choice past asset placement on the map past level design past actual dialogues and interactions in NPC's: all of these are part of the same overarching experience. And neither was I talking about direct literary nuances: I was talking about shit most people actually pick up on entirely intuitively. Basic stuff like "does this look like a place anyone would live in?". Or "does this remind me of something sad that I might know from real world".

And Fallout 3 fails at absolutely every single bloody level of that. Especially though in the god-awful world-design. Nothing make sense. Nothing feels like a place that could exist, that would make sense. Nothing tells a story. Actually most of it just screams to your face: "We really did not think much about this, but it contains a cheap in-your-face gimmick".

>>379296774
>defending the fact that the actual city limits of New Vegas has a population of 15.
You really need to learn basic concepts of suspension of disbelief, and how there is a difference between suspending disbelief of what is obviously an abstraction, and having to swallow something that is obviously a contradiction.

You people really are brain dead, aren't you?

Blatant bandwagoning.

>>379296887
my exact opinion, though I could never put more than like maybe 200 hours into 4

>>379297112
He is not talking about the story you idiot.

>>379295109
>atmosphere
DUDE EVERYTHING IS RUBBLE AND GRIMDARK GREY DUDE GREEN FILTER LMAO

>>379297213
Fuck you idiot, Fallout 3 has better exploration and feels like a wasteland fuck off.

People can't seem to discuss 3,NV, or 4 without referencing and sucking the first 2's dicks.

>GTA III is fucking awful because the map is nothing like it was in the first game
>the protagonist doesn't even talk. would someone in this world really not talk?

>>379292538

Kiddos never picked it up because it doesn't let them build anything anywhere like minecraft or rust, teens never picked it up because it up because it's not an arena game, adult modders gave up long ago due to the lack of a proper CK for it.

There's no reason to stick around, especially when the plot is such absolute trash.

You're the average NV fanboy cocksucker make yourself a favor and kys

>>379292538
I will only play it when there is a good recommend mod list for the best possible graphix

I can't enjoy bethesda games unless I KNOW I have the best possible mod setup, otherwise I just start over every time I find a new mod I want

because it was more far cry than fallout

>>379292538
Nah, I just need a new video card to run it properly, but video card prices have become absurd lately, so I am waiting.

It's one of the most popular games on Steam and not many people actually talk about it. It's weird

>>379297495
Fallout 3 shouldn't feel like a wasteland though. It's been 200 years since the apocalypse and people should be rebuilding shit and actually making civilization like in New Vegas.

>>379297557
t. Woman

>>379297495
Bethesda fans, everyone

>>379297495
Powerful arguments you have there, but no. It feels like a shitty cartoon imagined by a twelve years old, who literally judges how much belivable wasteland something is based on the amount of greenish radiation glow and dust.

Also, the "exploration" considering the level scaling on both loot and enemies is hardly exploration at all. And all you are reward when you "discover" new places is more absolutely fucking nonsense landscapes that don't feel like real, possible places, more terrible dungeons with terrible level scaled enemies and loot, and more absolutely braindead characters that don't seem to be in ANY way aware of where they are.

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>>379292538

not a memorable game simple as that

FO3 is at least memorable if only for how insanely bad its writing is

>>379297813
Hoooollly shiiit autism alert lmao

It's the capital, it got nuked harder.

>>379297495
You fuck off Todd.

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>>379297931

>>379297931
>[Speech 90%] kill urself and ur army my man

>>379292538
I don't know if my computer is shit or what but I haven't been able to fix the long ass loading times and that's keeping me from playing it.

>>379298054
Man, i fucking loved the ambient music in New Vegas, much better than your generic orchestral bullshit in 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKpsC6y-MSA

>>379296745
thanks for sharing

>>379298096
Nuclear fallout doesn't last that long.

>>379296887
2=4
HOW CAN MERE NUMBERS PRODUCE SUCH RAGE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>379297813
Not necessarily. This is the one argument that really does not fly. It's entirely up to the authors descretion to decide what point is the one where civilization should be rebuild. You can make a dozen arguments why the civilization in DC Wasteland has not began rebuilding.

The problem lies elsewhere. The problem is that it does not feel like a wasteland because it does not feel like a real landscape that has went through some form of transformation. It's supposed to be a city and sub-urbs of that city, but the layout does not make any sense. You can't see the city that was once there. It does not tell the story of what it was before it was destroyed: it's a random collection rubble, suburbs, farms, sudden fucking metrostations next to fucking farm BARNS, ruined highways leading from nowhere to nowhere... and all of it being incredibly dull - with no weather changes, no palette changes, no diversity.

And it goes just worse from there. It's fine that the civilization is supposedly still primitive. But it's NOT primitive, actually. It's just a bunch of modern day, unphased random people living with random piles of junk. They don't feel like a primitive people fighting against the odds to merely survive. They don't feel like newcoming settlers just recently starting to turn the place habitable. They don't feel like... anything. They are just there. For a joke, or because there has been an empty stretch of landscape and you have to put something in there!

There is a rich guy living in a luxurious tower.
WHY? Everything else has been blasted away? Why is this tower the only thing that survived. Why was there a tower in rural side of DC? Why is the guy living there? How is he rich in a society with no infrastructure? Why has nobody just fucking blown the thing down? Why did his own men not turn on him? What is going on?

It's this shit that is the problem. Not the lack of civilization. But the lack of fucking common sense.

>>379294225
wtf now I want to play it

>>379298096
See >>379298679

>>379296887
fucking retard.
2 > 1 > NV >>>>>> 4 > 3

>>379298212

somehow Colonel Autumn's skill check is even better

>Hey how about you just leave I already got your dumbass compute to blow itself and your entire army up
>yeah alright whatever see ya

>>379292538
Skyrim was already on the downhill path.
Fallout 4 basically reached the bottom.

Bethesda is now dead.

>>379297931
>Why should I destroy myself and everything I'v worked for?
>It's the right thing to do
>Ah I see! No need to clarify, I instantly agree 5 4 3...

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>>379292538
Because we were hoping for an RPG not a action adventure fallout. TES6 will be an even bigger disapointment just watch.

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>>379297931
I refuse to believe this is real...

>>379299007
skyrim is honestly miles better than fallout 4.

>>379298891
Everyone with a brain knows this is objective fact.

>>379299007
>Bethesda is now dead.
Uh, no. I mean they still sold like 80 million copies of Fallout 4. The fact that people aren't as obsessively thrilled with it does not mean they are dead. I mean fuck me, Bioware is still succesfully making hype for fucking ME and DA games.

I can assure you that Bethesda is in great shape and ready to stick around and fuck up their own IP's for decades to come.

>>379299007
Bethesda is doing well, as long as casuals keeps impulse buying their shitty openwolrd games they will keep on going.

>>379292538
dissapointment

>>379299198
Mass effect andromeda was a disaster, sold very poorly. They literally closed down the studio that made it. Dragon age is also dead, inquisition did not meet sales expectations.

After fallout 4, the hype is pretty much dead for anything bethesda shats out.

>>379297112
Did you even watch the video?

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>>379295109
FACT: it is more enjoyable to explore ancient ruins and destroyed cities rather than wander around an empty desert.

Also, 3dog > mr. New Vegas

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>>379297931
YOU'RE AN ABORTION OF SCIENCE!

>>379295109
Fallout 3 had really good atmosphere if the exact atmosphere you wanted was mad max except shitty and green.

>>379299176
Skyrim wasn't even better than oblivion. It was such a boring rehash of a game with garbage gameplay, garbage story, boring garbage world, boring side quests, and unplayable without mods.

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>>379299394
>this whole fucking post

>>379299353
>Mass effect andromeda was a disaster, sold very poorly.
I can assure you it still made green numbers. And don't forget, Andromeda was a sequel to an ALREADY FUCKING GOD-AWFUL SHITFEST.

Andromeda, sequel to one of the most despised AAA games in a decade, by developer that has made four other bad games: and it still sold hundreds of thousands on opening day despite the fact that it also clearly looked like shit and the reviews were awful... And trust me, Bioware is not regretting that game. They still made profits on that thing.

>>379299394
>Also, 3dog > mr. New Vegas
Take a break from the internet. I don't care if you're not being serious.

>>379297118

I'll be 30 in less than a year. FO has always been vastly overrated from a "roleplaying" perspective and the series' trend toward FPS is positive in my opinion--I do agree with the consensus here that the simplified dialogue in FO4 was a step back, but my point is that it isnt really a step back from much.

>>379292538
because it was completely bland and forgettable?

>>379298679
>And it goes just worse from there. It's fine that the civilization is supposedly still primitive. But it's NOT primitive, actually. It's just a bunch of modern day, unphased random people living with random piles of junk. They don't feel like a primitive people fighting against the odds to merely survive. They don't feel like newcoming settlers just recently starting to turn the place habitable. They don't feel like... anything. They are just there. For a joke, or because there has been an empty stretch of landscape and you have to put something in there!

Not him but that's because modern Bethesda's design is different from Obsidian's design to New Vegas. Fallout 3, at least from my experience, is designed around the gameplay. The vault intro sequence has multiple purposes, to serve as a tutorial and safe area for the player, to give the player the goal of finding your dad, and to serve as a counter point to the rest of the game which is open world. Fallout 3's gameplay is centered almost entirely around raiding abandoned buildings for loot, which is why compared to other Fallouts or Bethesda games, there are barely any towns. Megaton doesn't have much of a purpose other than serving as a central point in the map to drop loot you collected, get quests for initial XP, and have trailer footage with the nuke in the center of Megaton.

New Vegas, on the hand, was made with the mindset as a stand alone expansion. The game assumes that the player has already played Fallout 3 and it's more challenging. The opening sequence takes place in a much more open town rather than corridors (Goodsprings), enemies spawn from hand placed spawners a lot more rather than using level scaling like in Fallout 3, even though it still exists. Because of the fact a lot of New Vegas's assets already come from Fallout 3, NV focuses a lot more on worldbuilding since that's an element not really seen in FO3.

>>379299007
Fallout 4 actually made forward steps. There's no way to salvage skyrim's combat; Fallout 4 in comparison actually has barebones FPS mechanics, which are just competent enough to be passable.

>>379298096
Nigger, it got nuked as badly as the fucking Boneyard and Boneyard is a member state of the NCR for decades by the time Fallout 3 rolls around.

>>379299007
Dead to actual fallout fans yeah. Normies eat this shit up though.

>>379299670
There's less than a handful of games with decent roleplaying in them though. Even those games are mainly played by people that don't roleplay. Role-playing is super-niche.

>>379296774
>defending the fact that the actual city limits of New Vegas has a population of 15.
Not obsodian's fault if they had less than a year to make the game and the engine was utter trash to begin with.

>>379299353
>They literally closed down the studio that made it.
Yeah EA does that to every assembled offshoot studio. It's Bioware MONTREAL that's gone, not Bioware. All the employees are still at EA, they're just code/art/word monkeys who're being redistributed among EA's other studios so they can continue to produce code/art/words.

>>379299394
I hated the cities in NV and FO3

>rubble turns the city into linear valley in some areas
>invisible walls everywhere
>no parks or anything, just corridors filled with rubble

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>>379299394
>Also, 3dog > mr. New Vegas
ah, i see, you're one of "those people"

>>379299594
What the fuck are you even going on about? If EA was happy about andromeda they wouldnt have shut down the studio that made the game. The game was probably not even profitable, after spending 100~200m in dev + marketing costs. Mass effect was not despised, it was one of the most popular games of last gen, even taking account to the autists who didnt like the ending.

>>379299760
>Fallout 3, at least from my experience, is designed around the gameplay

That's not an excuse for the shitty worldbuilding in Fallout 3 though

>>379300116
>posting the fake version

>>379295997
>>379296543
>>379296745
>>379297407
>>379298054
>>379299453
Why are Obsidiots the worst? They literally post the same 2 videos, and spew the same regurgitated opinions and expect that to be the end all be all.

>>379300263
What's the "real version"?

>>379300161
>If EA was happy about andromeda they wouldnt have shut down the studio that made the game.
Bioware Montreal was just an assembled studio of leftover EA employees who were hanging around. The studio was created just to make a stopgap Mass Effect game. This is evident in the fact that instead of being fired, the team was just moved to another Montreal based EA studio, EA Motive.

>>379300314
Nice ad hominem. It's literally impossible to defend fallout 3, hence why you aren't trying.

>>379300028
Bioware montreal was being turned into a prime AAA studio but after the andromeda failure are basically being shut down.

As for mainline Bioware, they are working on a new IP. If it fails (as I hope it will), bioware will finally be shut down and laid to rest. EA can stick to making quick bucks off retards with battlefield and star wars games.

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>>379300356

>>379292689
Untrue. F4 was trash but there were clear improvements. The graphics were better (though the graphical "style" was questionable i.e. that weird shiny cartoony element), the character creation was better, the combat was very, very slightly better.

>>379300461
>but after the andromeda failure are basically being shut down.
They're all working at EA motive now. EA redistributes its monkeys all the time.

>>379292538
It was bad, like all beth games, and consolefags were partially responsible for killing the only thing that could have saved it, modding.

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We are never gonna get another good fallout.
Anyone know where I can hire a neckbeard to setup a 100% working no crashing modded new vegas with TTW on windows 10, I would seriously pay 60-100 dollars.

>>379300552
Which is not a AAA studio. It's basically backup and indian code monkeys. BIoware montreal fucked up big time.

>>379300745
You would have to cough up more for all that...

>>379300161
The studio was probably going to shut down anyway. The word studio is just a fancy word for production line to them.

And if 1 million units sold in a week is a failure the industry is bloated beyond repair.

>>379300450
How is it impossible? I liked it more than New Vegas. There was a considerable drop in the overall quality of the game from 3 to NV, no matter how much more writing or weapons are in it. The map was overall worse and far more empty. It also somehow had worse textures and bugs compared to 3.

NV is just a reused asset marathon of 3, and while it benefits from the writing, it severely lacks in overall quality.

>>379300192

Does any Bethesda game have any good worldbuilding besides Morrowind? Even Daggerfall from what I played of it, didn't have much lore behind all the different factions and kingdoms.

>>379300968
>bloated beyond repair
Sounds right

>>379299961

Honestly I would go a step further and argue that there isn't really any vidya with good "roleplaying" in them, FO included, and arguing about the quality of RPing in FO (or any other game for that matter) is like comparing whether you enjoy shit or vomit better.

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>>379292538
I'll sum it up as a dude who made 4 characters each with 100+ hours of gameplay:

- The story is terrible. There's no excuse for how badly they wrote the story. It could have been remedied if the factions worked like NV, but every "faction" shared the same quest and all virtually had the same outcome.

- They got lazy with unique weapons. Unique weapons with stories tied to them helped broaden the worlds of 3 and NV while also enticing you to pursue certain builds to use them. Fallout 4 ruined this completely. I still don't understand why unique weapons were in here when they ALL had worse effects than legendary weapons plus they had no different aesthetic to them.

- EVERY. SINGLE. AREA. in this game is exactly the same. Enter area, kill a bunch of basic grunts, treasure, leave. Nothing unique anywhere at all barring dunwhich borers and the asylum.

- Settlement building is a complete waste of time considering it took mods to unlock it's full potential and even then it wasn't good. It would've been fun if there was incentive. Like if you had a good settlement maybe unique NPC's visited you spot and gave you unique quests or something, but no, let's be Bethesda and not even try.

I could go on but yes, it's a terrible fallout game.

>>379300450
Nice argument from incredulity

>>379300830
Yeah haha xd but seriously for real learn about EA. They have shitloads of disposable studios made out of merc employees they have lying around. Do you want to know why Bioware Montreal's treatment isn't exceptional? Because it's being treated exactly, EXACTLY like Bioware Austin. Oh, wait, you didn't know Bioware Austin existed? Well they're a studio made of mercs who provide support for Bioware products when they aren't grind monkeying for other projects, just like how Montreal is now a studio made of mercs who provide support for Bioware's new game Dylan now that they're not grind monkeying out a new game to cash in on the Mass Effect franchise. EA isn't run like a movie studio, it's run like a sweatshop. There are no idle hands at EA.

I was hyped for the game when they first announced it, but after they started giving out more information about it my hyped slowly turned into disappointment. I pirated it and played about 10 before getting bored.

Trash is meant to be discarded.

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FO3 apologists are literally worse than Adolf Hitler

>>379299838
It made one forward step: gunplay. It then proceeded to take a sprint backwards to the point that the only reason people continue to play it is to use it as a glorified Sims game.

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>>379299838
>Fallout 4 actually made forward steps.
the only thing it did was add an instant looting option.
It still had cells, long load times, ass physics, ass visuals, boring story, shit tier pretend rpg mechanics, bullshit voiced protag, useless tiered weapon mods that take the point out of having the mod mechanics at all, a tacked on building mechanic that was poorly implemented and meaningless.
And despite the "we were working with 1d tech guys" the gunplay still feels shit, and vats is even worse.

Someone post the FO4 reload webms please

>>379299394
>3dog > mr. New Vegas
I have never seen such an objectively wrong fact in my life.

>>379301718
>ass physics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXXGJWGAOQ

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>>379292538
The only saving grace is survival mode, avoiding all the boring X) to Shaun questline shit to salvage junk for one-man settlements, weapon upgrades while hunting for food and medicine can be pretty fun if not monotonous since you trade having to mag dump enemies for walking everywhere until you can hitch lifts from the Brotherhood or whatever shit fraction you eventually side with.

It plays like a worse STALKER but with slightly better graphics and more bugs. Otherwise the main quest blows, the side quests vary and most of the DLCs are hot overpriced garbage.

Retards. It's either a good game, by ridiculous /v/ standards, or completely garbage, right? I hate all of you, but I will still stay.

Fo4 on survival mode is an immersive fps with boring story
NV was a great rpg with shitty exploration in a boring desert
Fo3 was an ok rpg, exploring felt great and the story was mediocre

>>379301981
>most of the DLCs are hot overpriced garbage
I have to say, while I hated based FO4, I did enjoy Nuka-World and Far Harbor for what they were. I just wish there were more quests in FH.

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>>379301718
>Someone post the FO4 reload webms please

Got you fampai

>>379302143
>with shitty exploration in a boring desert
Every time I see this I always ask the same question: did you actually explore the Mojave? I've yet to see anyone say they've actually explored the Mojave and say the exploration was shit. There are all kinds of fun things hiding around in the Mojave if you actually go looking for them.

>>379296745
> being dumb enough to think 100 square meters of food is enough to feed 100 people

I want millennials to die already

>>379302143

I liked the desert in NV more than Fallout 3. I liked how the power lines and roads connected together a lot more in it, and it felt like there was more map variety in NV, like with the forest near Jacobstown, Lake Mead, or the various canyons, hills, and radiated areas, imo

>>379301005
"I liked it better" is not an argument.

>>379302143
Fallout 3 had the worst worldbuilding by far

>>379302378
>*sounds of /k/ being triggered in the distance*

>>379302181
Nuka world is just scavenger hunts and wreking your settlements
Far Harbor:
Hi we are synths and children of atom.
Hi I'm from the brotherhood and I'm going to kill you all.
Don't be silly guy help us out and do some gay quests /essential.

HOT
GARBAGE

>>379300482
>dog shit is better than cat shit
And?

>>379300482
>the combat was very, very slightly better
Only guns and energy weapons. Melee was worse and Unarmed was completely shit on.

>>379302529
I gave a whole 2 paragraphs that just scratch the surface. Stop being ignorant

>>379295109
I really hated the green tint. And the atmosphere dies outside Megaton and 101. The locations are so disconnected, and the Metro's sucks ass.

>>379303232
>whole 2 paragraphs
You wrote six broken sentences. A page break does not constitute a paragraph, dweeb.

>>379298891
>>379296887

preferring NV to anything else is just trying too hard to be a contrarian. NV is the weakest fallout bar 1, fo3 is the most fun by far.

haven't played fo4 tho, afraid the hivemind might be right on this one. Can't kill npcs, right?

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>>379302378

>>379303361
t. Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game and everyone else is wrong

I bet you'll love FO4 because it's right up your shit taste alley.

>>379296730
As a fellow bostonian, Fallout 4 was garbage. So take you shit opinion and go fuck yourself with it.

>>379303232
One of those "paragraphs" was just a sentence. Didn't you ever learn in grade school that a paragraph is usually 4 or more sentences?
It's no wonder F3fags are so retarded.

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>>379303361
>fo3 is the most fun by far.

>>379302378

The double barrel shotgun is the worse offender.

>>379303361
>trying too hard to be a contrarian
Or they just prefer it over the other ones.Its not opinions should be consensus. 3 and 4 sucks ass though.

>>379303449
I was playing games before you were born retard, I'm 32. FO2 was my first FO.
>>379303534
3's great and NV is just edgy trash with horrible bugs, shit writing, it really panders to the angsty teens that similarily like horrishit writing like the witcher series.

>>379303558
webm?

>>379302529
>more writing
Holy shit we got a genuine retard here
Also those 'Two paragraphs' contained one argument, 'the map in NV felt more empty' very weak my friend. Fallout 3 has more stuff because it's copy-pasted no-effort level scaled dungeons holy fuck kill yourself.

>>379303589
>I'm 32.
Sure you are, summerfag.

>FO2 was my first FO
Without googling, what happens if you leave your Highwayman unattended in New Reno?

>>379303558
Post it.

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>>379303589
calm down there petey

>>379301718
>ass visuals
what

>the gunplay still feels like shit
the gunplay is easily the best in class as far as open world adventure games with rpg mechanics are concerned.

>>379303645
I think you replied to the wrong post, anon. I think Fo3 is hot garbage.

They went full retard with the streamlining meme. I wonder if they ever tried to justify removing the karma system. Such a bizarre decision to make for what is ostensibly a role-playing game.

>>379302378
>Got you fampai
thanks senpai

>>379303558
>The double barrel shotgun is the worse offender.
is that the webm in vats, where the shells fly out, but are still in the gun too

>>379302529
>>379303576
Dont forget the piss filter that /v/ is collectively forgetting. Next to the shitty writing and trash quests which make nv objecitvely the worst in the series.

>>379303696
I honestly have no idea, I played it 10 years ago and I remember the entire fucking casino going hostile on me when I was fucking some ho and as a result hte game crapping out, destroying my save. Quit after that. The turn based combat is slow as molasses and the amazingly lengthy turns, rape what is otherwise a really good rpg to me.

Order I played the Fallouts in

3 > 2 (partial) > Tactics > NV > 1 > 4

How I rank the games

Wasteland > NV > 1 > 4 > 3 > Tactics > 2

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>>379303753
Nah, despite the fact that animations got better, the fact that every single time you kill someone, their head explodes into this red mess, really makes combat unsatisfying. Somehow they made gore worse than in Fallout 3.

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>>379303753
>with rpg mechanics

>>379303925
Sure you did, friend.

>>379303953
>high explosive anti personnell mine goes off next to your face
>WHAT WHY DID I GET GORED

nigger you cant be serious

>>379304042
> liking endless turns in the den
How's that NEETdom treating you anon? It should be sped up like the new xcom or battle isle phase 4 (actual good turn based strategy games)

>>379303925
>shitty writing and trash quests
So you didn't play it

>>379303953
>you kill someone, their head explodes into this red mess
dont buy the perk then anon. I made that mistake in NV, it gets really boring.
I know in FO4 eventually you will need to get all the perks though

>>379292538
Voiced protag was a huge mistake. They didn't even do it very well.

Please tell me someone at Bethesda admitted it was a bad idea.

>>379303953
>get bloody mess
>wonder why everything is making a bloody mess
really gets the noggin joggin

>>379304189
> edgy fanfic levels good writing make

No anon, it doesn't. And that's extra sad because obsidian made MOTB, one of the few GOOD rpgs past decade.

>>379304095
Pretty sure the WebM is outlining how stupid the AI is.

>>379304171
Stop talking about games you haven't played.

>>379304095
>>379304216
>>379304242
First of all, it happens with a simple 10mm bullets as well. That's without the perk. With it, it's even worse. And i remind you, that in Fallout 3 it was satisfying as hell. In F4 you can't even smash someone's head so it flies away anymore, it always explodes in this gooey shit.

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>>379294404
>combat worse than 3 and new vegas's

Kek please leave

>>379303925
Dunno anon, i prefer deciding on who rules Vegas than finding dad and Shaun.

>>379303925
The "piss filter" actually made different areas feel different. Out in the open desert you had a slight orange filter to make it feel warm. In somewhere desolate like Forlorn Hope, the game put on a red filter. In Camp Searchlight, there is a green filter because of the dirty bomb set off by Vulpes recently. On Black Mountain, the game desaturated the colors to make you feel uneasy. Sure, it was kind of bad in places like The Fort, but it's better than a green filter everywhere like in Fallout 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t0uCWjQ6Og

>>379292538
I've been playing it pretty heavily the past two weeks.

Still have to do Far Harbor and Nuka World. Just waiting for Preston to finally give me his damn perk.

At least they finally fired Emil Pagliarulo. He's not the sole culprit but he's definitely one of the people responsible for how shitty FO4 turned out.

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>>379304304
> answer question by googling
OK.
> give real answer that proves I've visited the casino and also proves what a broken mess of bugs FO2 is
NO YOU CANT DISLIKE MY GAME!!! FO3 IS BAD BECAUSE I SAY IT IS!

kek, look who's trying hard to fit in here.

pic related: literally the only fun I've had with the entirety of the bland flogging that was FO:nv

>>379304446
> playing FO for the main story
> denying the virtual reality suburbia wasn't one of the best bits of fallout as a whole, next to sulik maybe.
>>379304474
> defending the piss filter
like pottery

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>>379304660
There is only one reason behind Bethesda games being shitty these days

There are parts of this game I do remember fondly, the problem is is that there just is like a handful where as most other fallouts (New Vegas especially) I remember all fondly.

>>379304671

Man you are really going to rake in the (You)s with this post.

>>379304671
>the casino
Again, you haven't played it, but you keep posting like you have. Last (You) you're getting out of me with your shitty bait.

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>>379303043
>food analogies

>>379294351
This is suprisingly accurate.

Now. How is that new vegas to fallout 4 engine port comming along ?

>>379304908
> getting told hard
wimp lo.jpg

>>379304963
>dog shit
>food

Are you alright, anon?

>>379295164
After playing that part I felt like someone took a shut into my soul.

>379304671
No (you)s for you

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>>379292538
Everything Bethesda makes is trash. Isn't it obvious why we forget their games?

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>>379305282
The only reason I remember them is because of Toddposting.

>>379292538
Worst triple a game I've ever played.

How did they manage to make all guns, the gunplay and the AI worse than ever before?

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>>379305390
Ah, the good times.

>>379297813
Hiw do you rebuild shit when supermutants and other abominations are roaming around ?

>>379292538
I kinda liked settlement building

In the end, I just wasted all my hours building cool settlements instead of playing the actual game

>>379305669
kill those fags

Because even with all its flaws it possibly somehow could have been maybe MAYBE a decent time waster if it wasn't for settlement building and repetitive quests (especially for the minutemen) and trudging through the early pipe weapons annoyance. Fallout NV was better in nearly every way, and the only thing I even kinda liked was far harbor which was apparently stolen from a mod.

>>379305860
>which was apparently stolen from a mod
Source?

>379304671
You keep dropping your pants like a drunken retard. Shouting 'LOL TOLD!' afterwards doesn't make you not a pantsless drunken retard. It makes you a delusional pantsless drunken retard. What are you even getting out of this? You're not convincing anyone of anything. Anyone who knows their stuff knows you're thick as a brick. Anyone who doesn't can follow the thread and see you're proving yourself a fool.
>>379304973
Unless they have a good way to rip out entire systems and rebuild them that isn't massively labor intensive, it'll probably hit a brick wall and die.

>>379305860
>taking inspiration = stealing

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I fixed Fallout 4 with 1/3rd of the mods it took to fix New Vegas and its much more stable than even vanilla NV.

really makes you think.

>>379305929
Autumn Leaves.

The quest and the mod was too similar to be a coincidence. The plot was a blatant copy of it. Beth dodged all the questions regarding it and the mod author was quite mature in his reaction.

There was also the vault manager mod.

People expected a next-gen Fallout 4 but got a shinier Fallout 3.

It honestly felt like a spin-off more than NV, the scope was so limited.

>>379292538
Fallout 4 was utter garbage and should be forgotten.

Are there mods that make F4 into an RPG?

>>379305808
>kill a literal army of super humans and super mutated beasts
how do you propose they do that? with their comb that looks like a switch blade?

the BoS is struggling with power armor and energy weapons and the average wastelander doesn't even have a fucking pea shooter.

>>379299394
So you fight the shillfight with your shitposting on 4chan /v/?

>>379306329
Yeah, it's called New Vegas

>>379305929
>>379305993
Never looked it up to see for myself, hence the apparently in my post so no need to get hyper defensive. You can easily google it to see how many people have talked it to death though. I had fun in my first runthrough of 4 I cant deny that, but the fun ended after that. I'm sure someone can get fun out of the exploration and whatnot, but the story was shit, the forced backgrounds were shit, most of the characters felt like shit to me (easily replacable by keys or tools, or even a short terminal log for their story) or downright overly eager to jump on the MCs dick (deacon). I could not enjoy a second playthrough of it due to what I cannot see as anything but poor writing and execution.

>>379306329
no because RPGs are bad and nobody but aspies wants to play them.

game fun is inversely proportional to relation to pen and paper games.

its why Fallout 4 is so popular and nobody has ever played Wasteland.

Why is such a horrible singleplayer game from 2015 still regularly one of the most played games on Steam?

>>379306208
Ah. Found the article for those interested:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/fallout-4/fallout-4-new-vegas-mod-matches-far-harbor-quest

It's not the whole DLC, but a quest within the DLC.

>>379306348
Yeah, like the fucking Brotherhood didn't deal with Marioposa, right?

>>379300745
I got a fairly stable modded build right now.
There are random texture problems, where shit turns pink and then normal again when i restart.
Also at some point i teleported from the capital wasteland to the divide.
But aside from that its pretty gud/10

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>>379306475
Plebfligates.

>>379301458

Why? It's not even the worst Fallout.

>Fallout 4
>Brotherhood of Shit

>>379306503
Making sense of Fallout 3's setting is impossible.

>>379301005
It is actually strange...

My shitty pc could run fallout 3 without problems but sometimes fell below 21fps in new vegas. I just couldn't play it.

>>379306475
it appeals to casuals

actually other than the fact that it's way too common, power armor is a really nice upgrade from 3 and nv

>>379306475
People use it like a more interactive Sims game or FPS Minecraft.

>>379306503
they didn't, they relied on you to do it.

and the brotherhood in 1 was vastly better equipped, had bulkier ranks, and wasn't wasting manpower playing raider police... and they still fucking struggled after the death of the Master.

wowee zowee.

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>>379303361

>>379306660
I have a 1070 and new vegas jumps around between 60-80 fps outside and usually stays at 90-100 fps inside a building. The engine is just complete fucking garbage.

>>379306171
So you fixed the shit dialogue and story and animations and quests and building and AI and everything about the weapons?

>>379292538

I went in expecting nothing and was still disapppointed. Everything in the game felt so mediocre and half-assed. Settlement building and gun customization were half-assed and had little depth, hardly any memorable quests, too much reliance on "dynamic" quests, main story was terrible, the world was bland and boring, dungeons felt the same after the first 5-10 all being filled with either super mutants, raiders, or ghouls, perk system that's nothing more than % increases. The combat system was decently fun at first at least as melee, but the game was too fucking easy even on the highest difficulty.

>>379306903
Yep.

>>379306997
Can you prove it?

>>379300482

>>379303221
3 and NV's combat left a lot to be desired but
replacing something where stats and playing styles and builds kind of almost matter with the same generic far cry/battlefield type shit is not an "improvement"

>>379292538
because we want to forget it happened

>>379306475
The another case of the "it's a good game, just not a good ________ game"

So of course /v/ will hate it, but everyone else will enjoy playing it.

>>379301357
This.

And it will NEVER change. They have the license on all their shitty fifas and maddens. And whatever. These ips bring them so much money evry year that they can do what they want and they will get away with it. They have literally created an unshakable monopoly.

>>379299048
>>379299168
Every time the conversation with Eden is mentioned it's always taken out of context

Eden basically says that he was made to manage the base, not make decisions like the enclave has been having it do, which leads to it being easily convinced and lots of mistakes.

Like letting TLW out of their cell to freely walk the base for example
Another being its desire to poison what's left of humanity despite Autumn knowing that's a fucking stupid idea.

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>itt
>Bethfags btfo

>>379306440
Do you mean Skyrim isn't an RPG TODD?

>>379292538
simple, we're trying to block the god awful memories we have of the shitty game

>>379307203
that all just makes it even worse

>>379295164
>>here's your end-game power armor
it was actually the worst power armor in the game. you didn't get end game power armor until level 30ish

>>379306348
Didn't the super mutants in 3 arrive only recenly? Why wsn't there a civilisation there already?

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>>379294225
>tfw at 8 days in game

>>379306730
It's half-way more lore-friendly but also not. The power problem, meaning fusion cores, is well sorted by the time T-51s roll out. Bethesda just retconned the shit out of it.

>>379306794
You only kill the Master. The dispersion of the remnants of the Master's Army was due to lingering conflicts with the Brotherhood.

>>379306794
>was vastly better equipped
No, it wasn't. They're about equal and maybe a bit more in favor of East Coast since they have T-60.

>and they still fucking struggled after the death of the Master
Struggled so hard they went to war with the NCR and moved into Chicago and the East Coast.

>>379307383
>Didn't the super mutants in 3 arrive only recenly
Nah, but they did only arrive recently into the Commonwealth.

>>379303351
>>379303514
Nice ad hominem :^)

they say a fool resorts to verbal attacks when he realizes he is losing, and this is no different.

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>consider myself a fallout fan
>mfw I realize that the only good fallout game ever made was New Vegas
besides new vegas the series is absolutely nothing but pure mediocrity. How did I not realize this until now

>>379307668
People already countered your entire """"argument"""". The rest just mocked you for trying to flaunt your stupidity.

>>379307343
It makes it even stupider, but it makes perfect sense.

>>379307623
>Nah, but they did only arrive recently into the Commonwealth.
hm okay I may beremembering it wrong since it was a long time since I played 3 but I thought the BOS arrived just after the Super mutants basically.

Haven't played 4 so I don't know anyhting about those mutants.

Anyway 3 was fine it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets but I still prefer New Vegas

>>379295164
Im one of the people that shit on the game but the power armor thing is my least favorite one to bitch about. That power armor sucks, you're not gonna be swimming in cores about the time you get that power armor unless you save getting that quest till much later (in which case you most likely don't need that power armor as you have either found better and have cores for it or simply do not need the power armors defs due to your damage output, not to mention most power armor mods that are worth a shit are locked behind perks). The new power armor system is strictly okay, not horrible but not amazing.

>>379303645
>NVfags can't even reply to the right post

Lol. Makes sense. Either way, the shitty, empty map, the terrible engine optimization, graphics, and the overwhelming number of bugs were touched on in the post.

>>379307843
According to Nukapedia, the first Super Mutants were made in the Capital Wasteland in 2078 so they've been around for a while.

>>379304219
The only thing that jewthesda will ever admit is that they made the right decision since it made a lot of these sweet shekkels.

>>379304219

Todd roundabout admitted it was a mistake, but I can't recall what interview he admitted it in.

>>379304189
Not him, but NV had almost no memorable or high quality quests of the MQ besides the vault that you needed to decide whether to kill it's inhabitants or poison the water supply of a nearby """"town"""".

>>379292538
TO all the people claiming fallout 4's hatred is a "hivemind"
Understand that while that's true to an extent there is actually a part of it that genuinely feels this way as well

LITERALLY ALL Bethdrones are monkeys watching keys jangle. you all just like it because epicness. please also start explaining why new vegas has problems don't just insult it then move along or what I stated is true

>>379307668
Your 'argument' as such consists of vague generalities and subjective value judgments with no authority whatsoever. There's no actual form or structure of argument to appeal to for acceptance or refutation. The closest you get to factual statements of any kind are objectively false or at the very least superficial and facile, if one examining them should wish to speak of them politely. No one's refuting you because you're beneath error.

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Its simple really. New Vegas had a good story, quirky, new yet somewhat nostalgic atmosphere, and better quest diversity. Fallout 4 and 3 didn't, their stories are lame, their atmospheres are generic and overdone, and their quests are all the same. IMO it's not really up for debate, these are just facts. If you like 3 and 4 that's cool but it shouldn't be a mystery as to why so many people who love New Vegas hate 3 and 4.

>>379307803
Again with the ad hominem.

And no, they didnt. They didn't even address my valid points and instead resorted to the aforementioned fallacy because that's what Obsidiots do.

>>379307771
Not a fan of isometric turn based?

>>379308323
>only my personal judgment of the quests count
Nope.

>>379308537
>And no, they didnt
Yes, they did. Try reading the thread.

>>379301005
I have literally never been able to complete a playthrough of Fallout 3 due to gamebreaking bugs. I know this is just my unique experience but goddamn if it doesn't get my jimmies rustled when people try to say NV has worse bugs

>>379308543
I haven't played the old ones, I should have specified the 3D ones.

>>379292538

the bigger the developer/series the more and more mediocre and forgettable the games will become

>>379308636
It's usually people that haven't played the game since it was updated using the release bugs as their metric. What's even worse is that they make it out to be entirely Obsidian's fault when Bethesda was in charge of QA and they dropped the fucking ball probably on purpose

>>379308619
>the quests are good!
>...
>the quests are bad!
>REEEEEEEE OPINION!!! OPINION!!!
You literally cannot make this shit up

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>>379308052
wow that's a rally long time. thanks for clearing that up for me. When did they discover the vault with FEV?

>>379308619
Already did, they failed to put up any valid arguments concerning the bugs, graphics, and the map.

While we're at it, I'm going to add another one. The writing in NV was never that good. It's often shallow, pretentious and often nonsensical and therefore is often compared to the cherrypicked worst writing aspects of other games of the franchise (often 3 or 4) and used to create a false sense of quality.

>>379292538

it's just painfully meh

>>379308796
You saying the quests are not memorable doesn't mean anything. No one was REEEing either so apparently, you did make that shit up.

>>379308808
They didn't. The vault was designed as an FEV experiment. Egg before the chicken and what not. It doesn't really make sense considering FEV was strictly found in the West-Tek facility and Mariposa's Research Facility and as such it wouldn't be found in any Vault-Tec facility. However, don't worry too much about East Coast Fallout making sense. Bethesda has a very tenuous grip on lore in all of their games. It just happens to show the most in their Fallout games through basic continuity errors and retconning.

>>379309361
Well, then your reading comprehension isn't that good.

>>379308323
Beyond the Beef, Crazy Crazy Crazy, Eyesight to the Blind, The Whitewash, I Put a Spell on You, Arizona Killer...those are just the ones off the top of my head. There's nothing in Fallout 3 or 4 that even approaches them.

>>379302474
sure thing gramps, back to the home with you.

>>379292689
fpbp
it's literally one of the shittiest games of all time

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>Fallout 3 comes out when I am in HS
>not sure if 9th 10th or 11th grade
>whatever doesn't matter
>put hundreds of hours into it (360 ver)
>love it so much
>even skip school to play it more
>years later
>get it on a steam sale
>excited to play it on PC
>get a bunch of mods and shit
>start playing it
>game is fucking shit
>don't understand how I loved so much as a teen

Life has never been the same.

>>379292538
Because it's a piece of shit, and it's a fucking pain in the ass to mod. Even if it was nice and easy to mod, what could you even do with it? Every aspect of the game is so shitty and barebones that there's nothing to work with.

>>379309625
Because it's a theme park. When it's novel, it's great. When you come back to it, it doesn't have the same feeling.

>>379308808
because they cant have fallout game with out Mutants, so they had to make some shit up

Tactics did it better

>>379308776
>release bugs
Actually, it was almost a year after release when I decided to start up NV, encountered several bugs. Not that 3 didn't have any, but NV just had far more

>i-its Bethesda fault! S-sabotage!
Kek. Everytime.

>>379309625
>Beat Ratchet & Clank as a kid
>replay it as an adult
>gets INSANELY hard as the game progresses
>final boss is the worst thing ever
Children are strange

>>379309514
Hey that's a nice opinion you've got there, just make sure you don't go mistaking that as a fact, ok? Thanks :)

>>379309982
Fuck off. 3 and 4 are objectively bad pieces of useless nu-game casual AAA garbage.

>>379309468
>it's your reading comprehension
No, it's the fact that you're asking me to look for something that simply isn't there.

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>>379302378

>>379309779
>it was almost a year after release when I decided to start up NV
So before the DLC had even finished releasing?


>i-ts Bethesda fault!
Bethesda was literally in charge of QA so I don't know who you're trying to meme. It was literally their fault.

>>379310149
CTRL+F your main points. You'll find you've already been trashed, but you're going to continue to ignore it because you're just baiting for (You)s

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>>379292538
What are you talking about? Fallout 4 is great :^)!

>>379309779
Does anyone have any hard evidence that NV was buggier than 3, or is it just all anecdotal? Its been 10 years and I still encounter playthrough-ending bugs almost every time I go back to fallout 3, and I've never encountered anything nearly as bad in NV. I need this shit proven for my own sanity

>>379307873
>the power armor thing is my least favorite one to bitch about
For me it just reminded me of modern Bethesda's tendency to shove whatever gimmick they're using for the game straight in the player's face as soon as they can. They tend to pick something that's "the thing" for their game and milk it for all it's worth up-front.
>Oblivion: DUDE DAEDRIC PORTALS TO OBLIVION™ GET IN THAT BITCH YOU'RE THE HERO NOW
>Skyrim: HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THAT AWESOME IMMORTAL DRAGON GO KILL ONE OF THEM NOW
>Fallout 4: HOT DAMN YOU HAVE POWER ARMOR NOW LOOK AT THIS SETTLEMENT YOU CAN BUILD AND THIS BULLSHIT YOU CAN CRAFT
Funny enough I can't think of a moment like that in FO3, maybe they were trying to see if they could get the setting in general working before they tried adding more stuff to it, or maybe I just forgot. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and it's probably an easy way to hook casuls into playing the game, but it feels like they assume I'm a bit daft and they have to throw all their cards in ASAP to keep my attention.

>>379310184
I don't understand why Bethesda fucked up in things they got right in fucking FO3. Why don't characters actually fucking shoulder their guns when aiming?

>>379310184
Fucking disgusting. How can a game be this terribad? Baffling how retarded this dumpster fire is.

>>379310356
>puts more effort into marketing and buying reviewers than the game itself
typical

>>379310486
I think for 3 it was the Megaton bomb.
>WHOA SHIT MORAL CHOICES YOU CAN EVEN BLOW UP A TOWN

>>379310094
Now now anon, what did I just say? Try a little harder, I believe in you :)

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>>379310483
>it's all anecdotal, now please refer to my anecdote for evidence
Jesus christ

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>>379310732
Alright Todd, it's time to go to bed

>>379310502
Nah, the reload animations were bad in FO3 too which is why there were so many reload animation mods and why many of them had to be redone for New Vegas.

>>379309361

You keep throwing adjectives but don't specify anything. It indicates you don't know what you're talking about.

No one has to stack the deck to make Fallout 3 or 4's writing look bad.

>>379309779
By late 2011 most computers could no longer run Fallout 3 out of the box at all without tinkering. Anyone attempting to simply install Fallout 3 and run it would encounter game and system stopping crashes so frequently they can be timed with a stopwatch. This is still true today.

Also, we're talking about a publisher that has a well-known track record of fucking its business partners. See also, Human Head and Arkane.

>>379309982
Name a single quest, in any part of Fallout 3 or 4, that's as complex and well-integrated with the basic mechanical framework of character building as any of those are.

>>379310907
try reading that again, you might feel foolish.

>>379301059
Skyrim and I say that unironically. Much more than Oblivion and its lore raping.

>>379310291
All I found was an anon saying Fallout 3 was buggier than NV by offering his own anecdote while simultaneously calling the opposition anecdotal, and two anon arguing about 3 and NV's map, with little to no valid points that refute mine. So looks like I was right after all

>>379310502
4 is literally so shitty that all these years later they managed to make a game with worse graphics, worse combat and worse gameplay than New Vegas.

>379311149
Like I said, ignoring it to bait for (You)s which is why you're getting denied this one.

>>379300472
Is this the reddit image because they got asshurt by the Around Ghouls phrase?

>>379311403
Yep

>>379303558
never noticed anything
i don't use vats though

>>379297931
This was my choice when I first played this game after it came out.

Even 13/14 year old me had a hard time with that one. I didn't really understand what was wrong with it, but remember walking out of there feeling really underwhelmed and surprised at how cheap it felt.

>>379311065
Tenpenny Tower, the replicated man, oasis. There's 3.

>>379300263
>>379300356
>>379300472
https://np.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/crs96g3/
The real version has hoodspeak

>>379308648

anon if the only Fallout games you've played are NV and Bethesda's games and the only one you liked out of them all was NV that means you are a true Fallout fan
the truest kind that can ever exist
you did not even reach this path through your own thoughts
only you're instincts led you here as if you were destined from birth to be a Fallout fan

>>379311728
>Tenpenny Tower
>Character building
The only reason that quest is remembered is because of how butthurt Reddit got regarding the comic.

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I thought it was okay, at least better than 3.
nuka girl a qt

>>379311834
Stop making shit up. The racist version was edited from the original, the artist herself confirmed this.

>>379311834
I hate redditards so goddamn much

>>379292538
bland forgettable shit with awful characters, story, and voice acting

>HATE NEWSPAPER

It's at least not a fucking eyesore like NV, but that's about it

>>379311948
don't forget shit gameplay. shit graphics, shit performance, shit bugs, shit engine, shit, shit shit shit everything
can't name one thing that isn't shit

>>379311930
> the artist herself confirmed this.
Source

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>>379311948
>>HATE NEWSPAPER
Kek everytime

>>379312160
Find it yourself.

>>379311848
Ah so in other words if it doesn't fit into your critical, biased and nitpicky mold it doesn't count?

New Vegas Fags everyone.

>>379312240
So you have no proof? Very well then, I accept your surrender.

>>379292538
Because it's genuine trash.

>>379310483
On PS3 it has the same problem Skyrim does - it eventually runs out of memory.

At launch there were serious bugs involving frequent crashes, loading certain cells like Gibson Shack were almost guaranteed to crash the game outright (I'm pretty sure it was practically impossible to finish Veronica's companion quest until a patch that came almost a month after launch) mesh-clipping, navmesh breaks, scripting failures and memory leaks. If you took out all the crashes, NV at launch was about as unstable as Fallout 3 or 4 at launch. The critical path content was all passable without need for aftermarket meddling and as far as I know there were (and are) no potholes in the quest chains that can fuck a playthrough like in Fallout 3.

>>379311728
Those are all simple dichotomies with limited to no meaningful input from character build to modify those end states. I'm pretty sure Beyond the Beef, alone, has more possible end states than all of those quests combined. The writing also sucks in all three of those quests for different reasons.

>>379312046
I dunno man. Fallout 4 definitely depends on Myspace angles to not look like shite. If you look at areas from the wrong angle it looks even worse than the worst of 3/NV.

>>379312240
stfu if you don't have proof

>>379312224
Bethesda showing they really are the shittiest developers in the history of this industry.

>>379312472
fucking all these years later with over 10x the development time and budget and they LITERALLY CANT make better graphics than NV
beth are fucking retards holy shit

>>379312427
Here we go again.
>this quest you offered is bad because I say so, but this one I like is good
Kek, this is the reasoning of every Obsidiot. My grin cannot possibly get larger, can it? Let's wait and see.

>>379311930
Judging from the Reddit thread that was linked, they all refer to the "racist original version", and the edited version is the sanitized one. Of course, the idiot linked a specific post out of a larger thread, so context is a bit off.

>>379312661
That, and their combined mesh system is a huge hindrance for modders.

>>379312661
They have a stockholm syndrome type of relationship with their beloved gamebryo.

>>379312472
Prove it. New Vegas had the worst graphics out of all 3 3d games, that is a simple fact.

>>379310486
Looking at it like that I can agree with you 100%, I never really thought that about hte power armor but I certainly did with the settlements. Gotta agree with the other reply though about the megaton bomb being a big SHIT DUDE MORAL CHOICES YOURE IN CONTROL NO ONE ELSE WILL DO IT.

>>379292538
That always happens with bethseda games new Vegas being the exception because some fags love it to death and maybe Skyrim because they keep rerealising it

>>379312773
go kill yourself you objectively wrong fucking idiot, new vegas is literally factually superior in every fucking respect than 3 and 4
it even fucking looks better and manages to be less buggy than that piece of shit and obsidian werent even using their own engine like cuckthesda

>>379312774
Fuck off.

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>>379312773
He gave very valid reasons why the quest is more engaging than the ones you offered but you're ignoring it because it counters you.

>>379312906
See image. Viewing Fallout 4 from the wrong angle makes it look like guttershite.

>New Vegas had the worst graphics out of all 3 3d games, that is a simple fact
No, it isn't. In fact, it used the exact same assets as 3 so it quite literally cannot be worse than 3.

>>379313179
Are you okay?

>>379311149
>All I found was an anon saying Fallout 3 was buggier than NV by offering his own anecdote while simultaneously calling the opposition anecdotal
I'm that anon. I didn't say fallout 3 had more bugs, just that I encountered bugs more frequently than others seemed to. I was actually hoping for someone to say "we don't have to rely on anecdotal evidence for this argument, here is why fallout 3 is objectively more buggy than NV," but i guess that was just fucking silly. You don't have an argument that isn't built on quicksand

>>379311930
It was made on /v/.

>>379313315
No it wasn't.

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>>379313185
New Vegas must technically have better graphics than 3 because of some small fixes like guns having actual sights on them, and other things.

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>>379311728

>Oasis

ah yes a perfect example of how Bethesda leeched off FO1 while also completely trivializing and insulting the whole point of it

remember that character who used to actually be a character?
not you can kill him or not to gain a cool ability!

HATE ANON

>>379313185
But it can if you apply the textures poorly, which Obsidian did.

As for pic related, I'm not convinced that's worse than 3/NV, if it even is a real screenshot not affected by pop in

>>379313523
It's a 1080 benchmark. It's real.

>>379313398
How the fuck would this thing work?

>>379313626
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

>>379313427
Sounds like you're the one that's trivializing the F3 quest in order to make it sound worse and to help prove your point :/

>>379312773
I made a qualitative claim - one you still haven't answered. I pointed to quests with multiple end states that are either available or unavailable based on a variety of factors arising out of the game's roleplaying mechanics. These same quests help build character for the setting as well as allowing the player to define their character. There's a certain measure of elegance in that which Fallout 3 and 4 utterly lack.

You gave me three quests that don't do any of those things at all.

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>>379313626

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>>379313185
>he gave valid reasons
Quote them
>>379313169
>tfw you will never be THIS mad
LOL!