>humanity sucks!!!!!! >puts Nietzsche quotes in his game

New interview: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/does-the-designer-behind-nier-automata-believe-in-god

In Automata, the machines' purpose are shaped by humans, whether it's the directives given to them, or by studying the remnants of the culture around them. In just about every case, it is a corrupting influence. How much of that reflects your own belief, or lack thereof, in humanity?

Actually, is there anyone out there who believes in humanity?

I don't think that humankind is worthy of trust when we can't let go of war, draw borders between neighboring countries, seek to become richer than others, find joy in defeating others at sports, and choose someone of the opposite gender based on their appearance.

>>379262950
U r a smart guy

Is that what you came here to hear? Can you leave now?

>>379262950
Fuck off OP kys

Think your mental development stopped at ~15 years, OP.

>>379262950

You probably browse /pol/ and call any form of left winged political groups 'liberals'.

>>379262950
>>379262991
Sounds like he got a point to me

Woah... existentialist philosophy in a post apocalyptic setting... my almonds...

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>>379263019
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>>379263176
>can't handle the truth about babby's first edgy philosopher

As expected from underdeveloped /v/ermin kids.

>>379263176
Automata has decent depth as far as existentialism goes if you've ever read literature with it.

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Anyone who unironically quotes Nietzsche has insanely shit taste and mental retardation.

It's almost as bad as calling Lovecraft a good writer simply because you've never read anything in your pathetic life.

>>379263195
See quote in your image.

>>379263337
>>379263019
Can you stop typing like a retard?

But Pascal quotes Nietzsche as a joke and even calls him insane

>>379263327
Could you give any arguments to justify your statements?

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Why is /v/ so full of mental midgets?

Why can't you understand the genius of Nier: Automata like Kastel-sama did?

https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/03/21/violet-evergarden-spoilers/

>>379263327
Lovecraft is underutilized in games and is often depicted wrong. Bloodborne got close to his eldritch horror but with no quotes.

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Luther game when?

At least It's far better than "The Citizen Kane of gaming"

>>379263474
>Lovecraft is underutilized in games and is often depicted wrong. Bloodborne got close to his eldritch horror but with no quotes.

Lovecraft is a dogshit writer and if you actually tried to read his books you'd know that.
>muh bloodborne=lovecraft
As expected from uneducated /v/ermin.

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>>379263474
>>379263327
Lovecraft is still cool. He's always been cool.

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>Start game
>Notice nominal reference to eternal reccurance and the death of god during 2Bs starting speech
>write it off as the game being edgy
>hear message from the council of mankind in the desert
>DEATH OF GOD CONFIRMED
>End of Route B
>No shit commander
>think that the game and story is shit but continue playing because i bought it like an idiot
>Route C
>Opinion does a 900 degree turn
>End of Route C
>Big revelation about eternal reccurence
>OH SHIT NIGGA WHAT THE FUCK
>Nietzche confirmed most influencial existantialist philosopher in the game...even if the reference where only nominal

>>379263594
>le edgy sjw dislikes lovecraft when he found out he hated niggers
You guys memed about "le epin chutulu xD" for 10 years until you actually read the thing

>>379263594
Recommend me some writers /v/ermin.

>>379263410
That wasn't any less retarded than what OP is posting
Shit threads get shit replies, what do you expect

>>379263474
bloodborne got nothing close. where's the part where you burn yourself alive because you realize you're the product of racemixing.

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Silent Hill had the best narrative, philosophy and character's development.

A hack like Taro would never ever reach that level.
He can only exploit babby's on-surface themes like that trash he used in Nier. Muh bad humans killed innocent wolves, wolves gonna kill bad humans, bad humans gonna kill bad wolves, how utterly tragic!!! And then that moron-king would appear out of nowhere to give his life because he's so crushed and desperate. Fucking hilarious how bad that narrative is.

>>379263642
Why are people so obsessed with chtulu.
He's the shittiest monster in all lovecraft.

I really get the feeling that most people here don't understand Nietzsche.

He didn't condone nihilism, he condemned it. He argued that we need to fight against nihilism by finding purpose in life by becoming the Übermensch.

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>>379263663
>Recommend me some writers /v/ermin.

Try reading some actually good sci-fi, kiddo.

>>379263642
Racism barely factors into his works, at least not as much as people seem to think. Lovecraft's prose was shit, and his stories are retreads of Edger Allen Poe. And honestly, the idea of humans not being the most significant thing in the universe is old hate in CURRENT YEAR.

Once a person comes to grips with the idea they aren’t part of or are the most important thing in the universe, Cthulu and Dagon are nothing more than just another kaiju.

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Nietzsche wasn't edgy, you retards.

The whole "hurr God is dead" has been completely misconstrued over the years.

>>379263747
Default character is huwaito. But he's still a foreigner.
You can play dark souls for the burning yourself part instead.

>>379263932
Are these good? Honestly though, those look like they came after his time.

>>379263642
>You guys memed about "le epin chutulu xD" for 10 years until you actually read the thing

People memed about Chtulhu because it's the quintessence of his awful writing.
In every novel he tries so hard to make it dark and edgy you just can't help it but laugh at his attempts if you actually have any good taste.

>>379262991

>borders are bad
>natural selection is bad
>individual success is bad

Holy shit do you realise how cancerous an ideology this is?

The real irony is Nietszche believed the exact opposite of all these things. He believed the only point of life was to better yourself, that humanity should eventually transcend into the ubermensch.

The real problem with your ideology is it leads to the collapse of individuality, it's like the heat death of the universe but in terms of social culture. No borders, no one is wealthier than anyone else, no one is better looking than anyone else.

>>379262950
spotted the cunt

this board has really went to shit

>it's a thinly veiled /leftypol/ thread.

>>379263995
Nietzsche was thoroughly misguided by his own illusions. He build a system for himself out of being an edgy fuck, then realized the only thing that comes out of his turning away from religion and nihilism is depression and cancer. Then he went on to create a belief system for himself based on blind faith and feeling, creating a religion with values taken from his early religious life. He has literally proven himself wrong and went mad because he was being torn apart by the knowledge he wasted his life and was right back where he began.

He is one of the biggest examples of how not to live your life.

>>379263972
God I fucking just want to drop nukes on this generation fuck I am ashamed

fuck you
pol is the last good board on this shitty website

>>379262950
>His mental development stopped at ~15 years

ONE OF US

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I don't think he's as in love with Nietzsche as you think.

>>379264186
You are overestimating all the cthullu memester kids if you think they were doing this

>>379264446
Not an argument.

>Character who quotes Nietzsche thinks the man was crazy.
>"OMG YOKO TARO THINKS NIETZSCHE WAS RIGHT!!!1°!!"

Shit like this is why people are afraid to do anything but directly state their personal beliefs in their work. People are too fucking retarded to separate characters from creators or read into intent.

>>379264310
everyboard
everythread
everytime

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>>379262950
You need more guns and roses in your life summer child

>>379264446
That was a very well-reasoned and thought out response, thank you for sharing anon

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>>379262950
but humanity does suck, a few great people doesnt make up for it?

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>>379264227
That's the point, Taro uses Nietzsche because he thinks with his small Jap teenager's brain that he's an edgy philosopher like everyone on 4chan or teenagers in general.

And at the same time he shows how beta he is, how he's against competition, against predatory nature of humans, against wars and rivalry.
While the history of humankind clearly shows that wars and rivalry are boosting the progress in every possible way.

>>379263327

Nieztsche is the most important writer of the last two centuries try again m8

>>379264572
>>379264607
Underage.

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>>379264507
>thinking they played the game

>>379263327
I can't remember the last time anyone actually called Lovecraft a "good" writer. As a writer he's horrible, but he did come up with intriguing ideas and is influential for a reason.

>>379262950
>humanity sucks!!!!!!
Well, you ain't wrong. Human is a vicious beast.

>>379263474
Lovecraft understood that Cats > Dogs, he was a man of the utmost fine taste. Prove himself wrong nigger.

>>379264781
The thing is, he’s barely responsible for even that. He did invent Cthulu, but the mythos around it was actually done by a large number of people who wrote into the universe and published anthologies after his death. Huge chunks of what people now attribute to Lovecraft come from August Derleth and others. He is a man whose influence has been blown far beyond what it deserves to be.

>>379264781
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/377947248
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/376427579

It's like you don't read the board.

>>379264603
>>379264747

I demand you cease your shitposting and go back to whatever alt right subreddit you crawled out of

>>379262950
>calls Nietzsche insane
>somehow OP doesn't understand
Lmao

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>>379264885
I've been on 4chan for longer than you live, underage.

>>379264868

I mean if you wanted to prove you are actually illiterate good job I guess

>>379264925
Except he doesn't (Even Pascal doesn't do that) and all his games follow the same nihilistic trope.

>>379264839
>being a catfag
Even rats are more useful than cats.

Why even bring up Nietzsche when the game is about Sartre?

>>379264987
>>379264507

>>379262950
>its another edgy religious kid calls others edgy for not following their own religion's ideologies thread

>>379264927

That's physically impossible
It's also physically impossible for you to have been here longer than me
I've seen shitposters come and go but your particular kind is barely 4 years old, give or take 1. You're the worst generation of posters and complete newfags that have never understood this place and never will.

>>379264927
I've been here since 1841, fucking newfag

>Nietzsche is edgy
Nuke this board.

>>379265013
They don't know because Sartre was renamed to Jean-Paul in the English version. So its easy to miss the point.

>>379264507
>implying people in this thread played the game
You must be new here

I've personally shitposted in fighting game threads since 2011 and I've never even played one

>>379264507
>>379264524
Are you coming to the realization that /v/ is comprised of retard faggots that like to spout about their superiority despite not knowing jack shit about what they are commenting about? It is fairly self evident for all their crooning people who parrot things like "/v/ermin" and try to posture about their own greatness, a la this faggot >>379263932 and OP
are themselves so fucking creatively and intellectually bankrupt that they need some sort of vindication that they did not fuck up in their snobbish life choices

>>379264987
Automata is about as far from nihilism as you can get, man.

Shit, Drakengard is the only game he's directed without the core idea of how there's value in life even when all else is lost, and that is literally an elaborate shitpost in video game form.

>>379265013
>about Sartre
Hardly, parts of it are about his muh essense muh existence but only parts.

>>379265014
>reading comprehension

Retarded much?

>>379262950
The mental development of his fans stopped at 7.
I wish I was just being mean but I genuinely believe this.

>>379262950
how to spot a talentless nigger
>unironically calls someone who achieved something a hack
literally lifting guts to piss tier op

>>379265084
>muh chan culture
This is not your echo chamber, "comrad".

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>>379265013
>Why even bring up Nietzsche when the game is about Sartre?
In case you didn't notice that Taro hack names pretty much everything with philosopher names, Engels and Marx, Nietzsche, Sartre, etc.

Taro hack is very pretentious yet he can't even reach the quality of writing of Urobuchi Gen's. DoD 3 was fucking garbage.

>>379263972
>>Once a person comes to grips with the idea they aren’t part of or are the most important thing in the universe, Cthulu and Dagon are nothing more than just another kaiju.

You literally have no fucking clue what the point of Lovecraft's works are do you? It is almost embarrassingly obvious you haven't read jack shit and are just spouting things you probably read from some retard's own misunderstanding of Lovecraft.

>>379265146
It gets me that even the people who drool over the game don't notice that his quest is an outline of the game itself.

It's the first one on the list for a reason.

If Nietzche was so great then why couldn't he just explain what he meant properly and instead literally everyone disagrees on what his point was? Half of his work is edgy poetry or chuuni visual novels.
Checkmate, nitfags

>>379265084
>newfag tries his best to prove that he's relevant on 4chan

Cute desperate attempt, but you still don't fit in.

>>379265208
It's the core theme of the game.

>>379265360

welcome to german philosophy, you must be new here

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>>379265163
You sound very insecure, kiddo.
Perhaps you can't even contribute anything outside of your butthurt projecting and ad hominem.
The discussion in this thread is clearly out your low IQ range.

>>379264987
why the fuck do you people act like he had any afterlife philosophy in his previous games? They even canonically jave a god in them, he just wants to destroy humanity, but it's not even like this is some anti religious message since god literally destroyed humanity in the bible.

>>379265505

So do you ever plan on saying anything that could be remotely considered a point or are you just going to keep shitposting

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>>379265256
So by your logic No Mans Sky achieved x2 or x3 times more than all Tarohack games combined and that makes NMS and the developer of that hot garbage respectable product and man, right?

You don't even realize how stupid you are but that's fine because we are on /v/ and you are just a /v/ermin teenager with no brain.

The guy's games can be compared to a buffet: It's up to you how much you want to dig in. You can go surface level or go Super Bunnyhop levels of autism.

>>379265414
There is no singular core theme, there are several and they are all reflected in different aspects. God, Ubermensch, Religion providing stable justification and therefore meaning to life.
Also remember that Sartre stated that the Existence preceeds the essence (and because he's a post-modernist hack completely disregards essence because it's a structure) but Automata does not do that as there is value in both the Existance and the Essence.

>>379265624
I've made a lot of points but you are just a bitch in denial who can't contribute anything because the discussion is out of your low IQ range.

>>379265194
>Shit, Drakengard is the only game he's directed without the core idea of how there's value in life even when all else is lost,
Ending C faggot

But even then, Drakengard 1 dosent concern itself with existential themes, its more about how peoples obsessions can drive them insane.

>>379265752

So the second option then
That's about what I expected from you, don't worry, I'm not disappointed

>game about robots struggling to find their meaning in life now that their purpose of existing (humanity) is dead
>quotes philosopher that was fixated with the idea of making your own meaning after namedropping loads of existentialists in a proper context
Did you not get that or what?

>>379265795
>Drakengard 1 dosent concern itself with existential themes
It kinda does but it's more on a reflection of the absence of morality and it's impact every single structure that mankind has.

>>379264603
>And at the same time he shows how beta he is, how he's against competition, against predatory nature of humans, against wars and rivalry.

As much as I enjoyed Taro's games, lol this DEFINITELY reflects in his approach to game design and writing too. It always has this undertone of forced mediocrity.

>>379265256
>dude how can you call someone who achieved something so great a HACK?
I personally don't agree with that anon, but if you knew the actual definition of this word in that context, you'd realise how much you lack self awareness in this post.

>>379262950
>>379264227
>>379264603
Look at these circle jerking retards.
Play the game, he shits all over Nietzsche with one of his characters and openly mocks him.
Leave it to /v/ to just guess at shit about games they've never played.

>>379265194
>Shit, Drakengard is the only game he's directed without the core idea of how there's value in life even when all else is lost, and that is literally an elaborate shitpost in video game form.

Except in Nier there was no value in subhuman replicants' life and Nier ruined everything for everyone.
The point of the game was that subhuman Nier thought that he's doing the right thing and in the end he was simply painfully wrong and did nothing right, fucked up everything and exposed himself as a total inferior subhuman retard.

>>379265650
There's no singular theme, yes, but I feel as if the most prominent and essential one is arguing with Sartre's views. The questline bearing his name neatly summarizes the game's narrative as a whole.

>>379265650
>There is no singular core theme, there are several and they are all reflected in different aspects
No wonder its so muddy.

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>>379265941
>he shits all over Nietzsche

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>>379264603
>wars and rivalry are boosting the progress in every possible way.
If only you knew why the Machines didn't already win the war.

>>379266049
Beat the game, Shota poster.

>>379263195
Ifcyou were saying the truth, you wouldnt if had to sperg out like you did. Also denouncing the person proves even more you cannot rely on your arguement.
I havn't even played Nier, but the way you wrote your comment(s) make me instantly ignore all you have to say regarding it.

Tl;dr grow up

>>379266014
The no singular theme is more in regards to the direction at a single philosophy, the game itself sorting mixes them all into a higher-level abstraction of "to evolve yourself" which is not inherently unique to a single philosopher or philosophy.

>>379264603
Wars aren't all that necessary but rivalry can be very beneficial.

Overall though it sounds like Taro is anti-git gud, which makes sense given his output.

>>379266187
All it rings to me is that the game tried to say a whole bunch of things while not really saying anything. The only time it really made you as the player feel something for what it was going for was in Ending E and a few sidequests, the main story was a great big whatever with a few highlights.

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>/v/ "philosophers"
try playing the game or stay in school children

>>379266296
I'll stay in school children, thank you very much.

>>379266296
This guy looks like he holds a lot of truth. Have my coins anon.

>>379266118
Prolonging the war was the whole point of their existence, they were far superior than worthless androids.

>>379266296
This game is below freshman philosophy, let's be real.

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>>379266296
But school children are target audience of Taro's games.

Adults would rather play Kojima's games.

>>379262991
What a fucking commie. I hate Nier series now.

>>379266471
>Adults would rather play Kojima's games.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's still on notice after that shitshow of MGSV, of which he was largely responsible.

>>379266291
Not them, but the problem for a lot of people is that a lot of the writing is based around subtext and feeling. Not what characters say, but the unspoken internal struggle.

You can call it a copout, and that's fair, but I think the game strikes out with a lot of people because it's rarely being direct. It still could have been handled better.

>>379264507
>playing a game
>suddenly it pauses
>camera pans into a cut scene
>i see a robot reading a book
>"wow nietzsche was pretty deep...."
>".... or pretty insane LOL"
>camera pans back to me
>cutscene ends

Japanese games and movies have the subtlety of a bukakke.
This shit is why I don't watch anime, when the main character takes out a gun, and says the name of the gun outloud, and the supporting cast says the name of the gun outright, and the narrator reads out the specification of the gun, as the gun specs are written in text on the screen, and a 3D model of the gun is rotated for 5 seconds.
Japan just has zero class.

>>379262950
>His mental development stopped at ~15 years.
This is true for most japs they're a society of repressed adolescents

>>379266576
If he really wanted the indirect approach he should have abandoned character drama alltogether and do a FromSoft approach. Because the characters and their plot is probably the worst part about Automata even if the underlying theme are intriguing.

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>>379266553
MGSV has a lot of great moments and the game is good overall.
Especially if you compare it with trash like MGS 4.

>>379266417
It's Sophmore at worst.

A lot of people never went to college, so it's super deep instead of just competent for them.

>>379264603

You fucking retard, Taro disagrees with Nietzsche and makes fun of him ingame. Learn to fucking read, did your brain stop developing with 13?

>>379266648
MGS4 is unironically better than V,

but so is GZ, which is a goddaam demo.

I really like the story and themes behind V, but as a game its garbage. Utterly terrible design with so much featurecreep its not even funny, he had it right with GZs minimalism but ruined it

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Soma has more philosophy than all Taro's games combined.

>people hate lovecraft because muh overused tropes
He lived his entire life in the span of WW1, the cause, the action, and the result of it
He saw full well what the war was, a selfish act by humanity as they destroy each other for mundane reasons
he saw how self righteous and self centred people were
he was different from most because while people still felt humanity as nothing, they would write those were humanity have control or influence over the uncontrollable
he completely goes against these, which was different for the time; at the mountain of madness and dunwich horror

>>379266736
>when you have to move your consciousness to another vessel

I knew what was coming. That bitch didn't fool me.
Actually the moment was kind of ruined for me, because as the player I knew, and the character didn't know, so he acted stupidly.

>>379266606
>satan trips
I might usually grant that point but c'mon, the example quote could easily have been in a western work and no one would notice.

>>379266643
That could work, but there's value to be had in an indirect character drama. 9S in particular was an interesting little shit, especially in how he contrasts with Emil.

nietzsche is the great gatsby of philosophy
think it's super deep in high school and then realise it really isn't later

>>379266296
I either have to play the game or become a pedophile?
Why can't I do both

>>379266841
In a western work it would've been one guy speaking it, and another guy saying "hmmm, nietzsche?" and then both of them continuing the conversation.
Every piece of media Japan makes is like a k-pop music video in terms of subtlety and class.

>>379266857
I honestly just wanted 9S to hurry up and die because his little ragefest didnt interest me at all, even if he was the most developed character in the damn game.

I found myself caring more about alot of the side characters like D&P and 210 more than anyone in the main cast. Because they just did their jobs and weren't so damn overwrought.

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since /v/ is so smart
what and how would you incorporate a philosophical message into a game

>>379267031
For starters dont try to be "philosophical", just tell design everything around what you want the player to feel. And if a story is so necessary, make it a good one.

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>>379266706
>Taro disagrees with Nietzsche
How to spot a low IQ person.

Taro explicitly shows with Nier Replicant that subhumans (replicants) can only ruin everything for everyone.
He shows the same with DoD 3 (Zero is ubermensch) and DoD 1 (Caim who refuses to get devoured the same as Zero and faces the worst enemy - himself, yet never stops as a true ubermensch).

Number 9 who've created Yorha is easily the same Nietzschean character and his views are getting projected on 9s as well.

Well, it's obviously too complex theme to discuss it with underage teenagers especially considering that the majority of you couldn't even understand Automata's plot and characters to begin with.

>>379266716
>MGS4 is unironically better than V

Nah.
A garbage QTE movie-game is not better than perfectly playable MGSV with tons of good action, great engine, good graphics and decent unfinished plot.

>>379267110
Nier 1 is the one game Taro plainly spelled out what he's going for and you pull that bullshit. Why?

>>379266964
I think a lot of what's interesting about 9S is in comparison to the other games and characters, which is a problem unto itself. You need characters to be interesting on their own.

Another problem with audience investment is that there aren't any strong personalities interacting like in Nier. I don't mind it, but for most people that really hurts your ability to get invested.

>>379267184

This is a shitposting thread if you hadn't noticed

>>379267184
There are people who think Nier's genocide is any more "wrong" than the Shadowlord's.

>>379267031
>what and how would you incorporate a philosophical message into a game

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

t. Friedrich Nietzsche


This philosophical line of thought that is by now cliche, since its used in every other game, is very often used without the game literally pausing so you can have an NPC read the quote and say Nietzsche wrote it.
Yes, 99% of games out there do a better job incorporating philosophy than this shit, because they just ask the question, they don't pause to quote.

>>379267296
If he didnt make the real meat behind his main characters hinge around a spoiler he would've been much better off (nevermind only really developing on it in side material).

As for A2 one can honestly question why she's even in the game.

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>>379267031
>what and how would you incorporate a philosophical message into a game
Katanagatari ripoff.

>>379263195
>>379263327
A character quotes Nietzsche and then mocks him.

>>379267541
>mocks him
Nice reading comprehension.

>>379267418
A surrogate and thematic, emotionally free 2B for 9S to murder.

No seriously, she is effectively just "what if 2B had strong feelings" and mentally merged with her so 9S' rage was even more insane and self-destructive and ironic.

>>379263327
But nobody even argues against Nietzsche. Even philosophers who dedicate their life to proving him wrong end up saying "yes, he is right, but..." and then going on about something.

Nietzsche is correct. Disagreeing with him basically means you either have no idea what he stands for, or you haven't given the subject much thought.

>>379267661
>But nobody even argues against Nietzsche. Even philosophers who dedicate their life to proving him wrong end up saying "yes, he is right, but..." and then going on about something.

[citation needed]

>>379267418
A/B should have been shorter to accommodate C/D.

>>379264528
delete all /pol/s

>>379263327
>FOTM Reaction image
>Think he can criticize anything

>>379262991
>and choose someone of the opposite gender based on their appearance.
That's fucking rich coming from the one who made 2B

>>379267726
A/B should've never been split. Bad fucking directing and game design.

>>379267717
>prove a negative

I got my answer.

>>379264227
The game is openly anti-Nietzche though so it makes sense that Taro says things that are opposed to Nietzche's ideas.

Hell Ending E is literally the player rejecting nihilism.

>>379267656
Yet for all that high concept it's clear she was better off with her own separate storyline. A2 interacting with Anemone and revisiting her past was far more interesting than 9S's autistic screeching.

Good fuck Taro are you losing your touch

>>379267768
He knows hes a hypocrite. But at least he doesnt think himself to be above stupidity

>>379267802
>makes a statement
>fails to deliver any proofs

Yeah good job retard.

>>379267786
I think giving the player time to mull over things and do sidequests was a good move. If you HAD to cut B, I would say 9S should have been the sudden protagonist during Beauvoire and the Eve fight.

>>379267974
You can't even do some side quests in route B like Emil's quests.

>>379267961
You don't ask people to prove the non-existence of some state.
Instead, you prove its existence.

So show me a philosopher who argues against Nietzsche's overall philosophy. I only ask that its a legitimate philosopher, and not someone on Youtube, and that they are arguing against his ideas, not nitpicking aspects of them.

>>379262991
borders are bad, fuck drumpf

>>379267870
>A2 interacting with Anemone and revisiting her past was far more interesting than 9S's autistic screeching.
I preferred 9S' screeching, personally.

I know I would have enjoyed a full game about A2 more in terms of being entertained, but the way it was presented interests me way more.

>>379267870
How can he be losing his touch when Automata is his second best game?

>>379264406
This is what brainlets actually believe

>>379263840
>A bloo hoo, I killed my wife and now I feel guilty about it!
>I'm gonna go back to our special place so someone can kill me or I find out what happened, whatever's first
Any story can be boiled down to a whiny caricature of itself, but to do so completely undermines what the culmination of factors such as the context and execution have worked to achieve. I love both Silent Hill 2 and Nier, what's so hard to recognize that both games were out to achieve different things

>>379268084
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)

Try harder, retard.

>>379268083
This is false. I did all Emil content sans the final fight as 9S.

>>379267031
>what and how would you incorporate a philosophical message into a game

I wouldnt
and I surely wouldnt smash together several genres while making each of them mediocre

>>379268150
Storywise? Pff. That's either DoD1 or Nier 1

Dont even bring up gameplay since that was all Platinum, and even then they didnt max out on their potential. The best part about it is the streamlined sidequests.

>>379264227
Nietzche didn't believe in anything and a lot of his writing is contradictory specifically because he was insane from the syphilis

>>379268207
>"I did not kill that man."
>PROVE IT! BURDEN OF PROOF!!!!

You can't prove negatives like that. You are being silly.

>>379262991
>draw borders between neighboring countries

And here I though I was safe from this shit for one moment.

>>379268198
It's almost as if no story is actually smart and we appreciate the nuance and structure of stories more than their events.

But that COULDN'T be!

>>379268220
>This is false. I did all Emil content sans the final fight as 9S.
I didn't finish Emil's quest (last part of it) and it didn't appear again in route B.

>>379264227
Yes. It is better to become one with Horatio.

>>379268254
Drakengard 1 is entertaining in a morbid way, but it's not well written in comparison to Nier or Automata. It's simple but effective morbid meditations on cliches.

I think we can all agree, however, that Drakengard 3 blows.

>>379268086
>borders are bad, fuck drumpf
>>379268345
>And here I though I was safe from this shit for one moment.

Funny how his own country supports borders and because of that live a relatively peaceful life (one of the safest places on Earth to live).
Imagine no borders with China and Korea. Yeah.

>>379264310
>people don't follow the /pol/ hivemind
>REEEEEEEEE /LEFTYPOL/

>>379263327
>Posts anime pic
And yet you're even lower than that shit.

>>379268384
The timeframe is so short you might have missed it. It only pops back up right before the carrier mission.

>>379264446
>safe space supreme where only sucking trumps dick is allowed
>good

>>379262950
>Nietzche

The game has quotes and references to dozens of philosophers and at the end of the day the main point of the game is more Camus than anything (life has no meaning to find so make your own meaning) who isn't referred to at all in game

>>379268086
He clearly is only saying borders are bad in that they show another weakness of humanity being unable to work together on a macro scale despite how that would be the best for development as a species.

>>379268474
Automata and Drakengard 3 are both the worst written IMO, 3 moreso than Automata

DoD1 has its holes but its certainly a more complete experience and arguably has more interesting themes without jerking itself off.

If we want to be "safe" we can just say Nier 1 is his best game. But Drakengard 1 is honestly my personal favorite since it dosent waste time.

>>379268207
>cries fallacy
>doesn't even understand it properly
>links to wikipedia
back to plebbit underage mongoloid

>>379264227
>implying borders are particularly relevant when they didn't exist for 95% of human history
>literary equating social competition with natural selection
Lmaoing at your life senpai

>>379268609
I just wish the game handled its "philosophy" better than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7V1f7lbk4

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>/v/, a hive of idiots and scumbags try and argue about philosophy
>Ends up being more like apes throw shit at each other

Can we go back to talking about 2B's ass? At least you guys sound slightly less stupid when you did that.

>>379268495
But we are all the same race - the human race!
Damn bigot!

>>379262950
>>379263195
>>379263327

>Being a complete fucking retard

The game only quotes Nietzsche ironically. Of course, your autism prevented you from catching onto that context.

>>379268084
It seems unlikely that literally no one would disagree with him. I don't have proof but I'm sure if you went to a department of philosophy you could find a thesis on someone who agrees/disagrees

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>>379268539
Fuck off any time.

>>379268734
>they didn't exist for 95% of human history
i'm pretty sure there were camps/villages/caves what ever for 95% of that time which all had borders on a small scale

tribalism is part of humans and only liberal arts faggots don't understand this. that's why they're the perfect useful idiots for the ultra rich who runs the world

>>379263594

Lovecraft at his best is some of the finest shit I've ever read on a sheet of paper you dumb nigger.

>>379269010
Yes, but it would have more holes in it than a fine slice of Gorgombert.
Whenever someone tries to "debunk" Nietzsche, they either end up mostly agreeing, or they end up a laughing stock that everyone assaults.
The guy was just right. He got it right.

>>379269078
>some namefag agrees with me, that makes me right
lol fuck off

>>379262950
This makes no sense. Nietzsche admired the potential of humanity.

>>379269160
>caves
>95% of human history

If you didn't use "liberal" as your go-to insult, I would've been upset and written a long post arguing with you.

>>379268646
We don't agree, but that's fine.

Personally, I think all three are interesting for very different reasons, but in terms of the writing's appeal it goes Nier > D1 > Automata. Nier has character chemistry and humor on its side alongside more relatable dillemas, D1 has the shock value and simplicity on its side, while Automata is extremely introspective and implicit and atypically paced. I like Automata's writing more than D1, but I get why people dislike it or prefer D1.

Such a shame D3 blows, though. He had some interesting ideas, but they just didn't come together.

>>379269334
>Such a shame D3 blows, though. He had some interesting ideas, but they just didn't come together.

It share similar mistakes with Automata but is much more egregious, like you don't really even know what Zero is really up to until midway in the game and all the sisters are barely characterized until the DLC so there's no real reason to care about them being her sisters or Zero's reasons for fighting at all. It's just a big slog with some funny bits inbetween.

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>>379263840
>hurr durr I killed ma waif :(
>hurr durr I'm such a faggot that I have no backbone to accept it
>spooky monsters are representations of subconscious repressions

Fucking Freud was a mistake.

>>379263932

That is the sci-fi shelf of an irredeemable snob. Congratulations sir, you've timewarped to the 90s and become firmly lodged up your own past self's asshole.

>>379269168
>Lovecraft at his best is some of the finest shit I've ever read on a sheet of paper you dumb nigger.

Good to know you've read 3 books max in your life you uneducated underage.

>>379269587
The fact it dosent even have one (1) Gene Wolfe book lets me know its shit.

>all these butthurt weebs
It's true Nier is badly written trash you know

>>379264186

>uses 'edgy' wrong for 90% of his posts

Drink bleach.

>Nietsche Philosophy is about tackling the issue of post-religious world and Humanities overwhelming need to create and explore and how it is abused by organisations and religions.

>People think it's edgy because a German Philosopher used a German term.

These are probably Americans, and the same people who think Noam Chompsky is a "Philosopher"

>>379269078
>missing the point this hard
Sasuga weeabcuck.

>>379269751
I'll give him some credit in that Lovecraft's prose does become comedic at a certain point.

It's like Max Payne tier gaudy.

>>379269160
It's one thing to feel a sense of belonging to a tribe, drawing borders is a different type of territorialism
Ancient empires in turn tended to see themselves as the entire world.
And thinking modern nationalism is the same as tribalism is dumb as hell, for starters you KNOW everyone in your tribe.

>>379263972

I hope you get raped by a pack of niggers.

>>379269810
Just /v/ pretending they know shit about literature or philosophy. The best thing they can do is posting images from /lit/ pretending they've actually read half of the shit there.

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>fatties that play videogames all day try to debate philosophy and writing
Know your place, fags.

>Muh Lovecraft was a racist
>OUR GUY!!!!!!!!!

Underage retards.

I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight - brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

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>>379270047
>I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight - brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.
Shut up Peter.

>>379264603

Fuck off you pig in heat.

>>379270047
How very American liberal of you - you first into the pits then.

>>379263327
>watches anime
>thinks he is allowed to have any opinion on literature

>>379266124

>when the thread ends but doesn't

>>379264781

He's a better writer than Poe.

>>379270203
lol

>>379270203
>He's a better writer than Poe.
HAHAHAHAHAHA NO.

>>379264865

But didn't Derleth start imposing his own shitty (unintended) worldviews on the mythos? Derived mainly from his Catholic religion?

>>379269573
>I'll say hurr durr over again!
The only thing looking stupid here is your post, champ.

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>>379270152
Where do you think you are, normie trash?

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>>379269573
>>379268198

>>379264927

Spread your cheeks dearie. I'm not using any spit by the way; might wanna bite down on something.

>>379263932
>good sci-fi
I love good science fiction! Shame you didn't post any.

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>>379270315
/vpol/

>>379270115
>>379270150
>being this fucking stupid
Kek

>>379270315
>uses the term normie
You're not better than him desu.

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>>379270494
>trueshit detective quote

>>379265149

You are the reason God stopped showing up on earth.

>>379270047
Wth are you crying about?
>Waaaah being conscious is hard :(
Just get on with life, babby. Sitting around wishing you were a fucking animal will not solve your problems.

>>379265149
>You'll never be this pathetic

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>>379263474
Lovecraft is shit and has always been shit. He's the Kojima of his genre. Constantly credited as creating something but all he did was manage to get noticed more than the people who actually invented Strange Fiction as a genre.

>>379270661
It's pasta from some garbage TV show.

Don't reply to it.

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>>379270586
>anime

>>379270704
Why are you posting on 4chan if you dislike anime?

Fuck off you cancerous shit

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>>379270793
there is a difference between good anime and your moe garbage.

>>379266471
"its about dfamn time"

>>379270793
Oh sorry didn't realize this was the anime board.
Fucking neck yourself you cringeworthy weeb

>>379262950
Welcome to japanese writers, they all love to shove highschool-tier philosophy and religious symbolism in their works and make it in your face as possible. It's painfully obvious if you're also into anime. Ghost in the Shell, Jin-Roh, Angel's Egg, Psycho Pass, Evangelion. I can go a full day naming works low-tier anime fans love that are packed with this garbage

>>379270586
The opinions of two extremely slutty anime girls don't matter

>>379262950
Is that a contradiction? Why?

Everyone knows Schopenhauer is better than Nietzsche anyway.

>>379270959
Evangelion is actually good despite the how misleading the symbolism can be

Angel's Egg is the definition of pseud's choice though, its basically a glorified painting.

>>379270904
>Jin-Roh
>good

Isn't that just quasi-forgotten edgy shit whose DEEP message was extremely shallow

>>379270695

I agree that Lovecraft is kind of overrated in the sense that there are plenty of people just as good but that does not mean Lovecraft is now shit. No one actually believes that Lovecraft invented horror or anything, they just like his particular mythos. Personally, I never gave a shit about all that but I can still enjoy a good story, e.g. The Colour Out of Space is simply a good story.

>>379270904
>posts entry level garbage
>good anime

You don't belong here, leave and never come back.

>>379270931
>>379269078

This thread is SHIT

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>>379264446
>>379265325
>>379269890
>t. lovefags mad their mary sue monster is really just a kaiju
>'b-but muh kaiju is different!'

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>>379270986
Tohsaka Rin is pure you son of a bitch.

>>379271154
>Ishtar's vessel
>pure

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>Automata gets popular
>More smart people are getting familiar with Taro's fiction
>his talentless hack is getting exposed

Pottery.

>>379271239
>fgo non canon trash
>relevant

>>379270904
>Jin-Roh
>good
Sure love getting smacked in the head with Red Riding Hood metaphors every 3 minutes.

>>379270246
>>379270234

Poe was shit. SHIT.

>>379271476
Shut up faggot, he created an entire literary genre and no shitposting by some random retard will change that.

>>379269840

>it's a "purple prose" faggot

Fuck you cocksuck, I think his prose is pretty.

>>379262950
Nierfags are the same people who watch Black Mirror on Netflix

tfw after automata you realized you're too smart for story games
tfw story means nothing if the game design is lacking

>>379269607

Let's see a screenshot of your college degree, fag.

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>>379271476
Retard spotted.

>>379271645
And I think its funny, get fucked son.

Actual purple prose is William Gass,
Lovecraft is just tryhard

>>379270695

>comparing lovecraft to kojima with a straight face

Now *this* is shitposting!

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>>379271057
>>379271083
>>379271418
>Jin-Roh
>bad

post better anime

>>379264607
>Nieztsche is the most important writer of the last two centuries

kys

>>379271148

I'm coming to rape the shit out of you, little queer.

>>379271898
>>>/wsr/

>>379271898
Anime in general is trash

>>379271575

There were horror writers before Poe, retard.

The fact that Lovecraft just ripped off Poe is well known.

>>379272017
agreed

>>379271746

Suck his rotted old asshole you fuck.

>>379264607
heres a thought
no

>>379271898

Come on, it's painfully pretentious and self indulgent. It one of the single most fucking boring movies I've ever seen and I have sat through some really boring, pretentious trash.

>>379262991
>draw borders between neighboring countries
Why should foreigners be entitled to the privileges of the country that my ancestors fought and died for?

>>379272051

He did a damned good job of it, then. I couldn't even finish Poe's shit it was so goddamn boring.

>>379272047
I didn't mean horror you gigantic faggot ignorant cocksucker, do you think that Poe only wrote horror? what an illiterate little shit.

>>379272209
Grow up, kid.

>>379272201

Because you are no better than they.

>>379264607
>Nieztsche is the most important writer of the last two centuries try again m8
everything related to relativism has been a cancer on society

>>379267857
Nietzche's whole philosophy is about rejecting nihilism.

>>379272231

That was his primary stock-in-trade, logposter.

>>379272201
>Why should foreigners be entitled to the privileges of the country that my ancestors fought and died for?
If you country wasn't isolated like Japan then it's already full of foreigners.

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>>379272051

Lovecraft had loads of influences beyond Poe, most notably Lord Dunsany but also Algernon Blackwood, William Hope Hodgson, and Arthur Machen. Another big influence on HPL's writing that none of the aforementioned had was scientific writing -- HPL read scientific journals quite extensively and they had a strong influence on his prose, particularly how he constructs paragraphs.

tl;dr Some of HPL's early work is very much Poe, the influence diminishes over time, and he overstated his own lack of originality out of modesty.

>>379272201
Why should you be entitled to something you didn't work or fight for?

>>379271083
Having to like anime to post on 4chan is the same as having to like shit to go to the toilet.

>>379272357
and? does that mean he exclusively wrote horror? do you even know what genre EAP invented at least?

>>379272405
PLebbit --->

You know the way.

>>379272263

>thinks a story where the crew seem to almost go out of their way to eat one of their comrades, only to later remember they "forgot" to check the other side of the ship, is somehow grown-up

Only mature literature for mature grownups such as yourself, eh?

>>379272515
fuck off weeb, all anime is shit and no shitposting will change that, also nobody is leaving after the request of otaku scum

>>379272573
Lovecraft's fiction is for teenagers.

Poe is for adults.

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>>379272616
Buttmad normie get the fuck out of 4chan.

>>379270959
...Name a Western movie or TV show in the modern age that even attempts philosophy. All you have is capeshit and Call of Military: Transformer Michael Bay Explosion Megan Fox

>>379268495
>safest place on the earth to live
>a society so shit people actively buy commercially sold intimacy and the national hobby is suicide
>negative birth rates because of increasingly deteriorating socioeconomic stability due to retarded abenomics which hasn't once reached its inflation targets (though that's true for pretty much every developed country these days)
>job market that has to make up retarded jobs that add nothing to society or the economy simply to keep people working because of ever rapidly increasing automation and people being replaced by robots, so you get literally 1 greeter outside of every store in a shopping mall.


Sounds like a great place to live, might be the reason why people like Yoko Taro might write media that starts to critique that society.

Persona 5 also did something similar with the theme being mainly the intergenerational gap between millenials and boomers or even generation x.


Just maybe people are starting to realise that Neoliberal Laissez faire economics aren't doing them any favours.

>>379272735
>normie
stop trying to fit in, reddit, nobody says normie unironically except for /r9k/ scum

>>379264227
hello Ayn, you're my favorite jewess

>>379272745
how serious are you

Man people really want others to hate this game, what happened to Nier threads

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>>379266606
I agree so fucking much with this it hurts. Every fucking time they have to treat their audience like they're fucking braindead.

One of the game related ones that pissed me of the most in recent memory was how when Raiden got Sam's sword at the end of Revengance, he assumes the same pose Sam did in their previous fight and said "Let's dance", which Sam did as well. In the Western release this was just left as is, but in the fucking Japanese version, they had an obnoxious cut in flashback to show Sam doing the exact same fucking thing. What is the point of a throwback to a previous scene if you're going to show the same damn scene again?

I mean granted I've seen western games in youtube videos where one guy makes an observation of a piece of subtle detail and every reply to him heralds him as the second fucking coming of christ when it wasn't even that hard to spot. The audience is probably equally fucking stupid on both sides but at least western games try to do subtlety. For all the things I like about Japanese games and what they do right they really don't know how to write for shit.

>>379269573
fucking autistic retard

>>379272979
I think it goes back to shit like Kabuki where everything is as bombastic and exaggerated as possible.

It works on its own but when crossed with more western techniques its very weird. I think only Kojima really pulls it off.

Is there a crack for automata yet?

>>379272768
>that pack of /pol/ tier garbage for underage retards

Pretty pathetic.

>>379272979
>I agree so fucking much with this it hurts. Every fucking time they have to treat their audience like they're fucking braindead.

That's because it's aimed on teenagers and kids.

Even Hollywood treats their target audience better.

>>379272979
>In the Western release this was just left as is, but in the fucking Japanese version, they had an obnoxious cut in flashback to show Sam doing the exact same fucking thing. What is the point of a throwback to a previous scene if you're going to show the same damn scene again?

I see this a lot in not just Japanese cinema but Chinese cinema too. For games at least it might be referencing something seen hours, or even days ago, but for films we are talking about 20 fucking minutes ago. Do Asians have the memory of a goldfish or something? They also have that thing where they really have to hammer home what is the expected emotional state of the audience right now, e.g. often deaths are accompanied by clip shows of the character or something like that and really long and over the top mourning sequences. For all the talk that western audiences are stupid it seems Asian audiences are stupid and also emotionally retarded, without someone to hold their hand they are utterly lost.

>>379265319
>Urobuchi

Who? Oh, you mean that guy who wrote one semi-decentFaust fanfiction and everything else he wrote was pathetic garbage?

>>379273980
Fate Zero was pretty good

>>379272979
>they have to treat their audience like they're fucking braindead
I don't think you realize how painfully stupid "Average IQ" actually is.

>>379262950
Wow OP you're right. I don't know what I was thinking. But yes, a young teenager certainly knows what makes a person a hack better than anyone else.

>>379274042
I disagree.

>>379267768
Anon, choosing a partner based on personality first and foremost and them being attractive aren't mutually exclusive. Also in a world of robots then everyone is going to be built to look attractive, meaning the only thing you have left to focus on is personality.

>>379266606
>Japan just has zero class
fuckin nailed it

While I did enjoy the game I had to suffer plenty of cringy shit like that (just like many other japanese piece of media desu)

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>>379273980
>Who? Oh, you mean that guy who wrote one semi-decentFaust fanfiction and everything else he wrote was pathetic garbage?
Urobuchi created the GREATEST anime of a decade and a true anime classic.

It's funny how Taro-hack tried to copy-paste it with DoD 3 but failed miserably.

>>379272979
>20 super secret hidden mechanics and secrets in breath of the wild
>all but one or two are shit thats not only painfully obvious to anyone who has ever held a controller in their life, but are blatantly told to you by NPCs or something else in-game

>>379274538
Madoka as a show is mediocre as fuck

Sayaka and Kyoko are cool though

>>379274538
You misspelled "Yuasa created the GREATEST anime of a decade and a true anime classic"

Kind of hyped for Uro's Godzilla thing I am not going to lie.

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>>379274736
They really are the most tragic characters of the show.
They are the end result of an idealized outlook on the world:
bitter cynicism or insanity

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>>379270904
Yes there is. One is childish garbage and the other is edgy childish garbage. Both should be removed. All who enjoy should be murdered.

>>379275180
They're the most interesting and well developed too

Homura wouldve been alright if we actually felt her struggle instead of it being talked around, and Madoka was just bland. Mami did her job well enough though.

>>379275454
>All who enjoy should be murdered.

And you complain that that anime is edgy.

>>379275454
Tigref fucking sucks

Taro clearly is a leftist who finds nihilism and endless jingoism to be pointless. Pascal's commune is clearly treated as an ideal society and solution to the pointless android v machine conflict.

>>379262950
Tarofags love thinking their idol is a deep sophisticated guy.

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>>379272859
>the normie continues to spout buzzwords

>>379275806
I'm just so tired of it. People pretending that shows for 12 year olds with shit writing and skimpy dressed women are cultural masterpieces.

>>379263932

>No Heinlein
>No Asimov
>No Bester
>No Banks
>No Rucker
>No Morgan
>No K. Dicks
>No Wells
>ofc Neuromancer

Good thing you like Watts so I can call you a β-Max.
Kys.

>>379263932
>sci-fi
>good

Genre fiction is the most pathetic thing there is, save for the people who enjoy genre fiction.

>>379276065
Who gives a shit? Let them enjoy it.

>>379276337
The Matrix makes more sense than Psychohistory, you communist jew. Fight me.

>>379276523
>tfw too intelligent to make a distinction between genre and literary

Its literally a marketing meme. There's only good stories and bad stories.

>>379276523
>sci-fi
>good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

This goes for >>379276065 too.

>>379276552
Because it's not healthy for a society to have a bunch of brain dead morons escape into such a banal medium.

>>379263327

You're an interesting person with a really special taste. Mommy loves you.

Things you wanted to hear more, right anon?
Be a faggot somewhere else