Why does /v/ hate this masterpiece again? >gameplay 10/10

>>379115723
but /v/ loves dota

people that complain about it are always 3k mmr shitstains that know nothing about the game

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>implying

Dota is the single greatest game ever created.

>>379116431
>Ukraine
>3k hours
Not even surprised

>>379116431
dendi smurf account

>>379115723
it's bad game

>>379115723
can i do fast paced combos in doto?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ahsmEai2EY

League is better
>art style isn't vomit
>has depth without being a chore to get into
>fun
dota is not as good of a moba. if it were then it would be more popular. but it isn't. even with the significantly larger prize pool and more lucrative esports scene.

>>379115723
I fucking hate this fucking threads
i like dota, but op is a fucking falseflagger faggot
kys you stupid fuck

I don't like mobas

>>379117518
Guinsoo is actually a demon lord that was contracted to ruin video games.

I really don't have time to get good at games anymore.
I just play single player games now.

>>379117518
That's becaus it is not a moba.

The only reason league of shit is popular is because you have billions of chinks to who get addicted to it

/v/ hates anything remotely competitive because they're beta losers who can't git gud. These faggots had to be dragged kicking and screaming into finishing Dark Souls, and that takes what, 50 hours for a first playthrough without help? 50 hours isn't enough to get ANYWHERE in learning something like Dota or Street Fighter.

>>379117492
sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yihlB8Cjco0

>>379117823
maybe, just maybe, it's a fun game

>>379117831
I don't have 100s of hours to devote to just learning one game. I'm not a neet. I have interests outside vidya

>>379117970
Cool. You do you, anon. The problem with most /v/irgins is that they ARE neets who are just lazy and want to be spoonfed their fun, then rage against competitive games for not complying.

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>>379117907
>ranged mage
i always suck at those. i always play a blademaster or whatever sword melee character there is in all MMOs. the only two swordsmen in doto that i know is the spinning guy and the fire one that teleports, the latter looks cool

>>379117518
damn this is quality bait

>>379115723
Faggot kids like MOBA trash instead of getting good at RTS.
You homos killed the genre for a custom game mode.

>>379115723
because it's a moba.
MOBAs have always been garbage. In fact, if it's a MOBA, it's automatically one of the worst games ever fucking made. Nu-/v/ WILL disagree.

>>379118258
Ember spirit is pretty neat and allows some fucky plays with his spells.

>>379118439
>Faggot kids like MOBA trash instead of getting good at RTS.
This is the stupidest argument to ever catch on with faggots who do not fucking play either genre, ever.

The two have nothing in common besides an isometric control scheme, you might as well compare RTS to fucking Diablo you masterful piece of shit who constantly talks out his ass.

>>379118439
>waaah people prefer something else than my clicking simulator

Are RTS fags and arena fags the worst vocal minority in gaming?

all mobas suck

>>379118612
new and original meme right there

>>379118439
Dota is an RTS though it's just an ARTS.

Also some custom games are literally just RTS.

>>379115723
Should playing DOTA be considered a mental illness? I think so. The players seem to be completely detached from reality.

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Post YFW Chaos Knight crits you
And so do his clones

>>379118716
>The players seem to be completely detached from reality.
You mean like 100% of /v/?

>>379118698
not trying to meme. I just do like mobas

dota is my favourite game of all time because of all the lessons you can learn from it

like coming into /v/, seeing the nerd wars on the comments and backing away because you know it's tiring and people have divergent opinions

What's the current meta?

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>>379118717

>>379118874
>people have divergent opinions

Having divergent opinions is fine. Believing shit that is not fucking true isn't. I don't care if people don't like Dota for its own sake, but when it's over bullshit like thinking there's MMO-style loot (I've seriously heard this shit) or that the genre is casualized RTS when absolutely fucking no one who knows a thing about RTS would think that, it's worth slapping them over.

>>379118258
the spinning dude,Juggernaut can't do a whole lot in terms of combos, but he can make use of mechanics that are often not thought of. his ult and blink dagger can be really fun to use, like on old fiora ult that can flash to another champion.

>>379118258
You have to realize you have 2-4 abilities on a hero, and then 6 slots of active use items. You have significantly more hotkeys and interaction.

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>>379119572

>Never played DOTA 2

Shouldn't that arrow be pointing up instead of down?

>>379115723
/v/ overall hates it far less than other comparable team multiplayer games.
Do you live under a rock?

>>379115723
>Lore
Juggernaut Aracan came with new voicelines that didn't make it into the game.
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bladeform_Legacy_responses

Lore stuff that never made it into light
>Sorla Khan
>Rumusque Clerics
>Adjudicator's Blade
>Crex vo Gali
>Tyler Estate
>Kanna

is clq still making videos

>>379120178
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChiLongQua/videos

see for yourself

>>379120374
does that mean he's still making videos

It's pretty good man. I got really bored after 500 hours, though; haven't touched it since. I don't understand how people have played it for thousands of hours.
I still watch all the tournaments though.

This game is so shiiieeet!

>>379120685
He renamed himself "Road to Reformation" and makes videos without the voice changer now.

>>379116123
sounds like a bunch of Jon Snows

>>379115723
/v/ is too casual for Dota.

>>379119054
this is a post of someone who uses 4chan only on weekends

Dota has lore??

7.00 ruined the game

>>379121357
They've been slowly fixing it since then
1 min jungle spawns are back, XP curves and gold gains were fixed so it doesn't feel like -em like it right when 7.00 dropped, shrines got nerfed, etc

>>379121429
>shrines got nerfed
what nigga!? I revolve my entire playstyle on shrines. wtf

>>379121429
>shrines got nerfed
How the hell do you nerf shrines, no matter how much they modify shrines, shrines are OP and need to fuck off

>>379121602
They just nerfed the amount of mana they give

>>379121787
>both teams have equal access to them
>OP
I don't think you know what that word means

>>379121787
spotted the 2k shitter

>game has hundreds if not thousands of bugs
>modding tools are terribly implemented and have been flat out broke in the past, if they aren't still currently
>ADHD tier balancing, over 6 balance patches in as many months

I don't see how this is literally perfect.

>>379122840
You're talking about lol

>hey look at me on the offlane trade with the enemy support only to run off and shrine so I can bully their carry out of lane
7.0 made the game worse

>>379118578
you don't understand history and what happened.
my post about Guinsoo being a dark lord isn't even a fucking joke at all.

>>379115723
Those are some very biased ratings.

But besides that, the community is shit.

>>379123806
of course it's shit
it's made up of people

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Redownloading it right now, thanks for reminding me, OP

Yeah Dota is just one level above the rest of the MOBAs available, perhaps Paragon is on par with it, but OP really pulled it out his ass when he said Dota's lore was any good.

I mean, it would be cool if there were some more characters like Axe and Disruptor, who share their origins with a common clan, but the vast majority of the roster is just some kind of alien who came from the future or another fucking planet it seems.

>>379123912
haha

League is better and more fun

>>379115723
I don't really enjoy team based competitive games. I prefer fighting games and I used to enjoy 1v1 in rts.

dota is not a moba you underb&fags
moba was a meme term created by guinsso because hes an insecure children that refuses to accept the truth

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>>379124742
Are you talking shit about my waifu?

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Step aside, old man

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i haven't played for about six months

is it time to come back? are 15 minute push strats viable again?

>>379115723
I know you are probably too young to remember OP but Dota was always seen as the game you went to to be "competitive" when you sucked at actual competitive games. It has never shaken that stigma despite its massive popularity and #1 spot in esports. The fact remains its inaccessibility disallows it from attracting the best gamers in the world and people are aware of that at the very least on a sub conscious level. Since Dota players bill dota as the best competitive game many people are likely to be disappointed when they finally play it. But that's not why /v/ hates it. /v/ hates anything that requires any sort of skill outside of memorizing le epic boss fight.

>>379115723
Because it's an ASSFAGGOTS and all of them are inherently boring unfun shit. If I wanted to click on mobs for an hour then I would play Runescape and avoid the autistic Russians and BRs from screeching at me.

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>>379125343
>hitting guys last is a skill
>pushing R is a skill
>reading guide on best build is a skill
>hitting a building is a skill
>having more number sticks in your bag than the enemy is a skill

>>379125343
I used to play a lot of 1v1 in frozen throne and we definitely considered dota kids to just be too bad to play melees.

>>379125343
I'm 20, I'm not "too young to remember" you shitstain

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>>379125343
Hi valve

>>379125503
cherrypicking to fight with some guy you have no actual disagreement with is a skill?

What I said stands. Doesn't matter what game it is. /v/ eventually hates it if it's popular and requires more than breathing.

>>379115723
chance to encounter russians in your game 95%

>>379126057
South Americans are much worse than any russian you will ever encounter

>>379125103
Heroes of the Storm is objectively the best MOBA available right now

Dota 2 isn't even the best MOBA on Steam

>>379125862
I hate Dota. I think it's a massive ponzi scheme to cash in on scrubs who have dreams of being e-athletes. Don't call me valve.

>>379123592
No one killed your shitty games m8. People are simply not interested in RTS.

>>379125220
>are 15 minute push strats viable again?

nope, they were maybe 2-3 patches ago. You only clumped up and pushed.

>>379115723
>Lore 10/10
Fuck off. I play this game and I can tell you right now they literally make the hero lore up in a day and bullshit up generic fantasy settings to justify why the heroes look like their WC3 Dota All Stars models

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>>379126057
>chance to encounter cute Russians that will gently ask you to support him in the safe lane with a seductive Russian accent 0.1%
>tfw

>>379125103
I think you would have to be in a vegetative state in order to enjoy this piece of shit

>>379125503
>pressing buttons is a skill
wow I guess no video game is remotely hard guys

>>379126412
god damnit icefrog

okay, last question, is undying viable lategame? almost every time i played him i'd go like 5-0-3 in the first 10 minutes

>>379126649
Why exactly? It's essentially every other moba in the genre minus 40 minutes of bullshit and is 20 minutes of actual doing shit.

It's not and harder or easier than any other game in the genre, it's just streamlined. if anything the lack of ability to carry actually makes it harder than other games like it because you can't item stick and single player money farm to win games, you actually have to outplay consistently to win.

>>379126921
>Why exactly? It's essentially every other moba in the genre minus 40 minutes of bullshit and is 20 minutes of actual doing shit.
It's that except it's also minus all the depth and gameplay.
And no, I'm not saying it needs to have last hitting and a lane phase and all that, the issue is everything the game was streamlined down to was also extremely simplified and made ultra boring

>>379126921
>It's not and harder or easier than any other game in the genre
You have to have literally never played LoL or Dota to actually believe this. This is objectively 100% blatantly wrong.

>>379115723
Last hit mechanics turn me off to this game completely.
There has to be a better mechanic out there somewhere.

>multiplayer meme
>moba
>no english speaking community

>>379127637
See >>379125103

>>379127736
The mechanic is better for sure, but it still feels wrong somehow.
Like it could be done better, idk how but something between the 2 so individuals could do "better" or "worse" without an ancient mechanic that is nothing more than a timing minigame now a days

>>379127637
If you don't want last hits, play a different genre. Everything's built around it, as is shown by the joke that is HotS "laning."

>>379127895
You don't last hit at all in heroes though, it's not a thing. Being around when minions die gives XP so you can fight more or roam freely.

>>379117518
>art style isn't vomit
0/10

>>379125587
Warcraft was literally just the children's version of Starcraft m8.
Dota 2 is just the most skill requiring moba, but mobas being team based and mostly single unit control are much easier to play than rts games, like Starcraft.

>>379117518
>has a forced meta
>makes you grind for years to access all the game content
>streamlined samey champions with less than half the champion pool being competitively viable at once
>good
jej

>>379125460
No one gives a shit about Aeon of Strife, drop that memeword you vapid piece of shit

>>379127940
>genre built around a shitty mechanic
>isn't a shitty genre
Nah m8 I've played mobas off and on since Dota 1.22 and only ever enjoyed HotS, but it feels like some depth is missing without shops

>>379128357
I see people rage about the term MOBA all the time, but seeing someone somehow get assblasted over "ASSFAGGOTS" is a new one

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thats a nice midlane you got there..

>>379128406
>my opinions are facts

>>379128406
Why is having to go pick an item that someone has already spreadsheeted out to be the best choice every time depth? It's just clutter and the illusion of choice and a chore.

>>379128553
>Why is having to go pick an item that someone has already spreadsheeted out to be the best choice every time depth?
>an item that someone has already spreadsheeted out to be the best choice every time
Because that's not what you're doing.
Please educate yourself before posting about things

>>379118439
RTS died because it was too technical. 90% of the starcraft matches relied on having perfect timing up to minute 20. If you were 1 second behind, you would lose.
ASSFAGGOTS have more room for more exciting plays and teamplay always gives some hype.

>>379128451
Because it's a stupid term and the only reason it caught on is because lelbums
Anyone who uses that term unironically is a fucking moron

>>379128535
Your right your opinion that last hitting makes the genre isn't a fact

>>379127286
"Depth" in Dota means "tedious nonsense that doesn't actually do anything."

>>379128406
>last hitting is hard
Git gud.

>>379129661
>last hitting is engaging gameplay or fun in any way
makin me laff

>>379128730
>90% of the starcraft matches relied on having perfect timing up to minute 20
Why, are you literally playing against SC pros or something? Why not play against people your own level? You only have to be better than your opponent, you don't have to be perfect at the game to win.

>>379128748
It describes the genre better than any other term

>>379129580
This is what someone how doesn't actually understand how the game works would say.

>>379129921
see
>>379128535

>>379129921
Again, git gud shitter.
>>379130009
People don't watch amateur matches in livestreams. Pro matches were tedious and only suited for people with ADHD.

>>379130261
This is why Trump won

>>379130148
No it doesn't. The term "Hero Arena" exists and it's less retarded.

>>379128970
>have no argument
>project instead
nice

>>379130452
>The term "Hero Arena" exists and it's less retarded.
A. Nobody calls it this
B. It doesn't describe the specifics of the genre as well

>>379115723
What the hell does Moba stand for? DotA was the first right, what autistic shit named it Moba?

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>>379115723

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>it's 2017
>Dotards are STILL butthurt about the term "MOBA" because of their irrational hatred of Riot Games

>>379130551
A. No one uses "Assfaggot" besides you clowns
B. Yes it does. You pick a hero, you fight other heroes in an arena.

>>379130575
Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. Also an applicable term

>>379130420
You think RTS died because of livestreaming? How the fuck does that make sense, RTS was essentially dead way before streaming picked up any sort of steam and during the golden age esports were way, way less prevalent. People just played the games and enjoyed them.

>>379130730
>A. No one uses "Assfaggot" besides you clowns
That's still more than the amount of people who say "hero arena"
>B. Yes it does. You pick a hero, you fight other heroes in an arena.
Then this wrongly includes Battlerite, Nosgoth, Overwatch, etc. Fighting in an arena isn't what defines the genre, it's having a symmetrical map with prebuilt bases you push through. I've heard people call them "lane pushers" before and honestly it's an infinitely better term than anything anyone else has come up with

>>379126903
His tombstone is a mess now. If you manage to haul your ass to level 25 and farm yourself an aghs then you have 10 str per hero hit every 2 seconds. Pretty stronk but you need 25 tho.

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>>379130575
Multiplayer Online Battle Arena, it was Riot's shitty marketing term they forced down everyone's throats in attempt to snuff Dota out of existence (on top of deleting the official dota forums and replacing them with ads for LoL) because people called them "dota maps" before this happened.

And somehow, it actually caught on and people even call them that outside the LoL clone circle

>>379130730
MOBA is a retarded term because it can be applied to anything. Quake 3? MOBA. DotA? MOBA. Street Fighter? MOBA. World of Tanks? MOBA. CS? MOBA. It's shit because it doesn't mean anything, it works for almost any game with multiplayer. It doesn't describe the DotA genre at all.

I remember in the 1990's when there were lots of arguments on the internet about how Zelda was an RPG

This reminds me of those

>>379128730
True for starcraft 2 maybe but not brood war. Starcraft 2 is THE build order game. Brood war has so much shit going on at the same time coupled with the 12 unit selection shit makes it really hard to play good. Pros fuck up all the time in bw and makes it possible for comebacks and more engaging fights all around. Sc2 boils down to 2 blobs colliding and trying to avoid enemy spells then a victor is found.

>>379131160
>Annoying leavers
>disconnections

aren't they the same? Or do they mean server drop? This shit is found in all games riot, even your own

also

>annoying leavers
kek

>>379131194
Common parlance uses that term to refer to games like Dota, and there are already terms for those games (arena shooter, one-on-one fighter, etc.)
Stop being retarded

>>379116431
>MSF steam background exists
OH SHIT

>>379131532
That has nothing to do with the problem. Even the most broadgenre labels like "real time strategy" describe the game's focus, the thing that particular genre does more and better than other genres. Being a multiplayer battle arena doesn't even come remotely fucking close to what LoL and Dota do different from other genres, it applies to all those other games exactly as well as LoL and Dota.

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Anyone else baffled at the 10mil buy in for a spot in the LoL championships?

While it IS be possible for a team to shell out 10mil i still think it's insane. Not to mention riot gets about 100mil minus whatever they have to spend to organize the championship.

>>379130868
How can you be so stupidly dense?
No one wants to watch 2 autists micromanaging perfectly until one of them misses his base expansion by 1 second and then loses.
Exactly the same happened in old Dota, it was a Chinese farmfest which only autistic adhd chinese kids enjoyed until teams like Na'vi went full retard looking for kills and diving towers, bases, doing dangerous and risky plays. That makes the game exciting. That makes the game viewable.
Views = potential players. How fucking stupid can you be to not get this?

>>379115723
Would be a perfect game if matches didn't last so fucking long.

>>379131691
There is no problem, you're just being an autist

Why is PA going
>Phase
>Vlad
>Deso
so fucking broken this patch? I just did this 5 games in a row and won 4 of them. I guess I found my ticket out of the trench.

>>379131868
>run out of arguments
>shitpost with buzzwords instead
yep

>>379131785
> looking for kills and diving towers, bases, doing dangerous and risky plays.

Sooo.... RTS gameplay?

>>379115723
gameplay 10/10
playerbase 0/10

t. have played dota for ten years

>>379132013
Fitting conclusion, considering the whole point of this argument was a shitpost term

>>379131785
>watch
Games are about playing, not watching faggot. This watching shit wasn't popular in the time when RTS were, nobody gave a fuck about watching.

>dotards still butthurt about moba being the genre name

After the disaster of the roguelike name nobody wanted a garbage tier name like dotalike so they went for one that isn't as shit

>>379132296
>trying to justify that you admitted you were wrong

>>379132342
I never admitted I was wrong, faggot

>>379117518
you can go fuck yourself you piece of human trash.

>>379132341
t. riot

>>379132546
t. valve

>>379131991
PA in general is a good pub stomper. Dagger makes it harder to zone her out, Blur passively makes it so bad players will forget to gank you even when you're out of position, and she scales pretty well until MKBs which many players at low levels will stubbornly not build.

>>379132575
Fuck you if i see a PA im building mkb second item

>>379133275
>starting items: salve
>mkb rush

Dota gets so much more attention than CSGO. Being a CSGO player is suffering.

>>379133275
>branch
>mkb
sounds legit

>>379132341
"Roguelike" wasn't a disaster either, in both cases it's just autistic morons causing a shitfit

>>379128085
Yeah broodwar is crazy hard. I won't even pretend I was good enough for it. But I also prefer how wc3 plays, I find micro more fun than macro.

>>379132575
PA is fucking garbage

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Post your favorite heroes
I like stomping low-levels early game with sting/gale then suicide bombing late game with gale/nova

>>379132514
resorting to shitposting instead of actually making a rebuttal is admitting you were wrong anon

>>379115723

>didn't mention 10/10 music

pleb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Ftjz2fw7w

>>379115723
>lore 10/10
ok lad

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>>379134741
OD has been my nigga since TI3. His rework made him even better, helped me get out of the 3k trench during 6.86

>>379134741

Is jungling with Veno "acceptable"? I don't know, just like doing it.

I play arc warden and storm on my 3k smurf and absolutely dumpster shitters. I hope some of the faggots here and on /vg/ get the taste of getting utterly annihilated in mid on US servers. I love it when I queue into the same people in a row and they fail to ban arc because they know the pain is about to come. Forced 50% is the most asinine bullshit ever, 3k is so terribly bad I can't believe people whine about being "stuck in the 2k trench". It doesn't even require mechanical skill people that can't get out of 2k must have an IQ of a nigger

>>379117518
League of Legends isn't a good game. If it was it would be as big as Tetris :^)

>>379135638
I don't know shit about Dota etiquette, but it's easy to do once you've got wards

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you may choose one

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>>379118717

>>379126903
Undying was just an early game back in the day, but with the introduction of som cheap items and that are strong later lik greaves, crimson, solar crest and other stuff made him ok in late game, with an aghs. Also, talents.

>>379135898
Sproink

>>379125073
Fucking cats is disgusting and you are a fucking furry.

You could have at least gotten a picture without some big assed bimbo blocking your waifu

>>379128529
Most TA's isn't good at positioning, stacking ancients, or farming.

>>379135638
Damage type changes at the least makes it possible to be speedy about it.
Just don't over invest into Poison Sting, 2-3 points in Gale is a lot of damage.

>Two garbage supports constantly fuck up pulls and push the lane
>Leave at minute 4 after soaking exp for the whole time
>Lol how did you lose solo Anon?

Really makes me think

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i love dota's heros much better than leagues but holy fuck do i hate the source engine so much. its just so poorly optimized. did they do anything to fix it? i haven't touched this game since winter wyvern

I KEEP GETTING INTO GAMES WHERE I'M LIKE 600 ABOVE THE AVERAGE

WHY

I'M NOT A MID PLAYER,I LITERALLY CANNOT WIN THESE FUCKING GARBAGE GAMES SOLO

>>379128529
>Picks venomancer. Carry or support.

EZ win.

>>379136279
Sting is a good starting pick, though. Sprinkling venom on the creeps is a good way to cheese last hitting, not to mention for chasing low level heroes

>>379136279
I get orb of venom+poison sting.

>>379115723
>literally RTS for retards

>>379117346
nice O P I N I O N
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>>379136279
Gale is good damage but I aint got that kind of mana.

I'd rather go sting/banana ward build over heavy gale investment. 1 point into gale is enough to get you within range so you can then start auto attacking and placing banana wards in front of them. Unless they have a force staff or some other kind of movement ability, they are fucked.

>>379115723
>40 minute games with 30 minutes of farming pve

No thanks I switched from dota to hots for a reason

>>379136531
Dumb meme builds, I hate when people go orb of venom on ranged heroes.

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>>379115723
I got tired of playing 1 hour stomps in either direction. Maybe the ranked matchmaking shit fixed that I haven't played in years.

>>379136545
>action RPGs are RTS for retards
>any game where you control a single character is RTS for retards

>>379136738
>30 minutes of farming pve

2k shitter detected

>>379115723
I couldn't get into MOBAS
they're just too slow paced for me

>>379135898
Lanaya. How is that even a choice?

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>>379134741
CAN'T STOP THE CLOCK

>>379135898
s- sauce?

>>379134741
Medusa. Something super satisfying about being a ranged character that doesn't give a shit about being hit and picking up a rapier makes any game winnable.

>>379134741
Skywrath
He has a little bit of everything and having an instant targeted silence gives him so much safety

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>>379115723
>>mechanics 10/10
lol

>>379137487
Skywrath is the glassiest of glass cannons. He hits like a runaway train, but can easily get his shit wrecked

>play dota for the first time in years
>have to watch a 10m intro before you get to play the game

>>379117492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Uf18y6ljM

>>379137660
i can't tell if this is one retard false flagging or if he legitimately thinks theres a problem with this

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>>379134741
Always liked tinker, even though he needs two core items in order to fucking split push effectively and safely.
Other favorites are storm, zeus, and sniper.

>>379137664
I've never felt like he was that glassy, especially with the strength from atos

>>379115723
>lore 10/10

the lore is negative. It sucks good lore out and leaves only bad lore.

Phoenix talented firebirds do thousands of damage, how is that balanced?

>>379137816
Tinker is such a little bitch hero, so many people don't even know how to play him and just mindlessly push lanes to be annoying while never fighting and dragging out games way too long.

>>379137773
This triggers the Morello.

>>379136747
It really depends on how aggressive you want to/can be. If you won the pick battle and your carry won't need much help venom helps secure ganks as a support

>>379137910
I'm a huge Dotafag and I agree. Valve completely gave up on the lore a year into the game. The comics they release occasionally are great but completely self contained and unconnected.

>>379138089
valve could do a lot more with it if they weren't lazy kikes
https://youtu.be/jzhxtdHNAyM

>>379117518
>style isn't vomit
you lost me right there, try harder next time mkay?

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>>379137910
>tfw the crazy batshit lore in TF2 via the comics is better than the entirety of Dota's lore

whats a decent mmr now

LoL is harder than DOTA 2. DOTA 2 feels so slow paced compared to LoL where everyone is mobile as fuck and skills are so spammy.

>>379138440
I'm at 4k which is decent except for people not wanting to support which happens at literally every mmr bracket.

>>379117941
its a watered down, pay to meta dota 2, with inconsistent art direction, terrible balancing issues, and a what may be the worst community ever.

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>>379138440
6k

>>379138484
Dota definitley feels a lot more methodical. Especially with the delay on turning around

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>>379138484
>play league before week 22/cassiopeia release or some shit
>eventually game feels too easy, stomp games frequently
>quit from boredom
lamo

>>379115723
It's okay.

>Warcraft 3
>SC2
>Heroes
>Dota
>Dota 2

>>379131160
i actually have had more leavers on league that in dota.

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>>379138406
>2 cosmic beings brainwashing literal gods to fight for each others land

>2 brothers hiring mercenaries to fight for each others land

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>>379134741
Jugg/Venge/Lina

Still over 50% rate with them as well

>>379138484
>LoL is harder than DOTA 2.
This is empirically false

>>379138553
That qop played like such a fucking scrub. The first shadow wave probably came as a surprise but after he got nuked to 50%, he runs back into the wave of creeps to die like a shit cunt.

"""""professionals"""""

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>>379138850
Just one more

What is the most efficient hotkey layout for item?
I'm sick of my current layout which is
ALT + (Q, W, E)
ALT + (A, S, D)
It can feel too sluggish for item like the bottle, tread switching and armlet toggling.

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the only thing LeL does better than dota is holiday shit. valve are lazy fucks and all we get are shitty chinese holiday events

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>>379136476
It is, but it scales so badly. And it doesn't disable blinks either, so its not even worth the long term investment. Like the only sensible reason to max it, is that Nova lasts 16 seconds but isn't fatal.

I like 4 4 1 1 a lot.

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>>379138993
>ALT +

>>379116123
>but /v/ loves dota
>/v/ loves ASSFAGGOTS
no

>>379138993
Z X C V B N TP scroll always in N Boots always B

Mouse 3 is the best way to move the camera, I finally got out of edge panning using it

>>379137660
>Gambles on Nyx not Carapace
>Kills Nyx for free
>Ogre would have landed at the least 3 attacks if he just attack moved

>>379124742
Have you seen any Loregasm vids by slacks? For headcannon, they're quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhxtdHNAyM

>>379139075
its fine if your alt key isn't alt on the keyboard but instead a button that doesn't hurt your left thumb to press, like spacebar

>>379139120
>/v/ is one person
>memefaggot
no you

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>he doesnt use quickcast
>he still edgepans

>>379138971
Why is Source 1 Dota so vibrant? It just looks so different.

>>379139174
I still have no fucking clue how slacks is 5k, is omni spamming really that effective? He has literally a thousand matches as omni with a 60% win rate

I have to work my ass off stay in 4k

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Name a dev whose more of an ABSOLUTE MADMAN than this motherfucker right here.

>>379139287
It would be impossible for me to get used to quick cast, how do you even aim with it?

And that's not to mention that you don't get your spell's exact range using quickcast

>>379139261
>oh we love Dota2 haha amirite guiz? valve amirite boiz?!
fuck off to your containment board

>>379139075
Can you even bind Page UP/Down as a modifier key in Dota? Extra mouse buttons is bound as such

>>379139121
>Mouse 3 is the best way to move the camera
There's no option to adjust the sensitivity tho.

>>379139381
>idolizing Abdul Ismail

>>379139337
Omni is good in pubs. Its hard to coordinate with strangers and people with no mics and get a good attack going since he blocks all physical damage with his ult. Repel is really annoying no matter what for the enemy team. And his slow is just a nuisance but is effective. Hes ok in comp but pubs are where he shines. That being said he has been nerfed from his glory days.

He remains a positive attitude which is why I think hes so high. Its amazing what just keeping a positive attitude with your team allows for.

>>379139337
Slacks
1. Doesn't tilt
2. Communicate well
3. Is cooperative
4. Try to avoid bad pub habits(trusting your carry to not fuck up)
He basically picks OP heroes, and grinds MMR to stay ahead.

>>379139121
That seems kind of far to reach to

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>>379139121
>Use default binds
>Any key thats further than C or V is hard to hit

>Have several RL friends that play DotA, all great people.
>One guy is amazing with anything like pudge's hooks or mirana's arrows, any skillshot he can land 95% of the time.
>Never actually plays those heroes, always instalocks PA or jungle legion and we lose every fucking game because of it.

Oh, we've got a team that needs a lot of farm already and could use a support? TIME TO PICK MEDUSA.

I can't help but feel a lot of love for this game is people feeling like they are owed enjoyment for having put so many hours into the game.

I don't think it's good. I play it because some of my friends really like it but I think it is overdesigned trash. I think the "genre" has been refined in much better ways. But it's still ASSFAGGOTS so it all kinda sucks.

>>379138993
I use mouse 5, mouse 4, T, V, D, F
And then I rebound abilities 4 and 5 to the 4 and 5 keys since I never use more than three control groups anyways

Item hotkeys are very subjective

>>379139818
That would be because it's not actually good. People wasted too much of their own time into getting "good" at it, and need to keep sinking time into it to feel like they haven't wasted their time.

Same reason why that trash LoL is the #1 most played online game in the world. People aren't willing to walk away from that much time invested.

>>379139818
>t-the fun you're having is fake!!

scrub detected

I love outplaying shit cunts. It's very enjoyable for me. I might lose the game but it's still fun to have killed the person I was laning against during that early stage.

I'll tell you a genre that's actually zero fun: shooters. The biggest offender being Counter Strike. You die in like half a second and then have to wait the round out before you can play again. Awful.

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>people who pick stupid shit like am off and necro support then flame when they're losing

>>379139982
So what you're saying is that you don't have to invest a lot of time into a shooter to tell whether you like it.

While you have to invest so much time into a MOBA, you don't want to have to feel that you wasted that many hours of your life, so it's "fun".

Yes, we all realize this already. How many hours have you sunk into Dota2? It hasn't breached 4 digits, has it?

>>379140208
The number of days has breached 4 digits.

>>379140208
nice projecting

>>379139982
yes I'm a scrub because I don't care to get good at the game because it's a bad game.

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>>379139662
>>379139723
I can reach all my hot keys fairly easily, do you guys have tiny hands or something? My thumb can easily rotate between the item hot keys, or my ring finger can come down to hit z/x but I typically put passive items there

>>379140383
gross don't show me your peruvian hands

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>>379125103
Learn to balance you fucks, 300 heal on a 15 second cooldown is NOT alright.

>>379140370
So you HAVE breached 4 digits. Jesus.

How many days does that equal out to, anon? Day where you did nothing but play a MOBA?
Do the math really quick.

>>379140020
>that guy who randoms the third pick

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>>379140468
Okay.

>>379115723
I switched to League because it's the only thing my office friends play and it feels like Dota is dying

I dunno, Dota looks better graphically but the esports scene feels so forced, the Koreans only care about Overwatch and League

>>379140020
>AM offlane

This triggers me to no end.

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>stopped playing 2 years ago
>started it recently
>went from 3.8k mmr to 2.3k in a month

i LITERALLY only lose game after game, how the fuck do i win in nu-dota

>>379140708
Tell them to step up to a real game

>>379140846
play unranked for a while

>>379140708
>the esports scene feels so forced,
you're retarded

>>379126290
It's a good thing Dota 2 isn't a MOBA.

>>379138034
I use gale + sting+orb of venom to slow the shit out of the enemy carries. In some games i alternate 2-3 or 3-2 on gale/sting

>>379115723
>>gameplay 10/10
>>mechanics 10/10
>>graphics 10/10
>>lore 10/10
community 0/10
jajajajja reporta OP jajajaj el es maricón

viva peru!

>>379140383
>Literal south american shitskin peru hands

Please commit suicide at your nearest conveninence and don't ever post a picture ever again.

>>379141034
>not a moba autists
If Activision tomorrow called Call of Duty a "Gun And You Fight Against Guys" genre game, that doesn't stop it from being an FPS, no matter what the super fans whine about.

>>379141340
Funny, considering Riot did the same thing you just said back in 2011 and its community lapped it up like shit-eating dogs.

>>379141417
There wasn't a genre name for it yet. Community lapped it up, but didn't matter. It was when every other company (except for 1) and every media outlet called it that for years that it stuck.

Nobody but the most autistic faggots get asspained over dota2 being a MOBA.

>>379141417
How many hours have you put into Dota 2?

i love dota but i understand why /v/ hates it lol any game that requires having or making friends /v/ hates because /v/ is a bunch of neet cynical faggots who no one wants to interact with for more than one game

>>379137773
Holy shit. That guy knows what he's doing.
>tfw I have the heaven-piercing pauldrons for Invoker but it's basically wasted because I can't play him for the life of me

>>379140383
>if someone says the layout seems uncomfortable to hit stuff, that must mean they're physically incapable of reaching the keys
This retard logic
Why would I use further keys when I can use closer ones?

Is it too late to get into DOTA and ruin my life? I feel like everyone is too good at this game now.

>>379141658
/v/ hates dota because its most vocal fans are the most annoying fucks on the board

it's very few of you who are actually chill

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>>379141756
>I feel like everyone is too good at this game now.
kek

>>379141760
this too the majority of dota's fanbase is loud annoying cunts who think they have fat dicks because they play dota instead of league or hots

>>379141540
Riot took the original Dota, backstabbed its community, then made an objectively dumbed down version of it and marketed it to the masses.

If you support that in any way, I have to ask what the fuck you're doing on this board. That's everything /v/ hates.

>>379141616
4.5k hours. 1.5 of that is probably just idle on that menu. My first game was in November of 2011 during the first month of the beta. I've been playing Dota since 2006 though.

>>379142014
>If you support that in any way
I don't support shit, it's a shitty genre to begin with.
You're just an autistic fanboy faggot who gets asspained that he doesn't like what the genre is called

>>379141668
Well
1-7 are control groups
QWER-DF are spells
A/S is attack/stop
There's really not much room for anything else aside from the bottom row, the main goal is to never need to move your hand

>>379141986
There's that faggot right now who's getting bent out of shape for referring to Dota 2's genre name. THAT'S what people see when they think Dota 2.

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>>379141756
Don't do it

If you get the feeling to waste time with mobashit just play some hots, the matches are very quick

>>379142119
Do you actually use all seven control groups?

>>379142079
why are you even in this thread, tismo?

>>379141756
Dota requires around 1000 hours for a basic understanding of the game

it's fun when you git gud though

>>379142079
Riot and whoever else can call it what they want. Valve has come out and said Dota 2 is an ARTS and that's the end of that. The creator called the game the genre they wanted, no argument against it.

>>379142079
>>379142193
Wait yeah what the fuck are you even doing in here? Do you have nothing better to do that you come into the thread of some game you don't even like then bitch about its genre? Damn that's weird.

>>379142014
>4.5k hours
187.5 straight days with no sleep of playing a shitty MOBA
jesus fucking christ
sunk cost mentality, that's why these games will continue on

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>>379142181
Only when I random meepo or chen

Also Mouse 4 is for voice chat, mouse 5 opens the shop

>>379142318
wrong.

>>379142272
>Valve has come out and said Dota 2 is an ARTS and that's the end of that.
They can call it what they want, it's still a MOBA because that's what everyone calls it.

And that's the end of that.

>>379142318
You do understand that's over 6 years right? Or do you just see 4 digits and immediately sperg out?

>>379142385
100% correct. Same reason why LoL is still the most played online game in the world. It sure as hell isn't because it's a "good game".

>>379142396
>this negates 187.5 straight days of not sleep devoted to a single game
Only people sperging out are autists pretending that's in any way normal or acceptable.

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>top down mobas are any good and worth playing

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>>379142480
still wrong. hopefully you're just a cancerous idiot baiting and not actually retarded though.

>>379142545
You're right anon. You got me. I spent 187.5 days straight, not even stopping to sleep, of playing Dota. My family and friends all assumed me dead halfway through said marathon.

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>>379142637
>smitetard
back to your dead game

>>379142637
You're right the non-top down ones are so much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xeq9l7DNY

>>379142672
>taking it literally
Amount of time spent overall, not talking in one sitting.
All that time doing nothing but playing a moba apparently hindered your critical thinking skills. You've wasted that much time of your life. Well done.

Yeah but it's a MOBA

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>>379142721
>implying i play smite

>>379142672
If it makes you feel better, that's 281 days of playing a game, assuming normal 8 hours of sleep.

That's how much of your life you've wasted so far to that game. Do you even have any other reason to live outside of Dota2 anymore?

>>379142648
>wrong because I said so
we're dealing with a mental giant here

>>379142925
>>379142781
>on /v/
>People are berating me for playing games

I don't know whether this is nu-/v/ or just classic /v/.

>>379143035
>I can do it but you can't

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>>379143091
stop replying to the idiot.

>>379143091
>playing games
>playing a singular game for 281 days of his waking life is the exact same thing
Can't play mental gymnastics with this one. Rest of /v/ actually plays games a lot. Not A game.

/v/ shits on the genre. nu-/v/ pretends it's acceptable.

>>379143183
My bad. Post more loli Pugna please.

>>379143183
>btfo
>"pretend we have anything to live for outside of ASSFAGGOTS"
nice

>>379142773
Why do they pronounce doge like that? What in the shit.

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*steals your rune*

>assfaggots

No thanks, I'll stick to Overshit

>>379142014
>4.5k hours
How proud do you think your parents would be of you if you told him you devoted a full 77% of a year playing a "competitive online video game"?

Would you say they'd blame themselves for failing to raise you right, or would they blame you?

>>379143348
Why are you asking that and not "Why does this abomination exist"

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>>379143471
good

>>379143478
>father loves his son, but quietly hates himself for being a terrible father, watching him waste his life
got to be the worst feeling

>>379135782
What's wrong with Tetris, faggot?

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>june 5
>still no campaign

My friend claims that DotA 2 is better, because there are sets of 5 cents on the market and there are crits in abilities. Like Phantom Assassin.
And when I told him that anyone can buy the Ethereal + dagon + refresh and kill everyone, he said that its not true and was silent.
Dota for morons, really...

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>tfw our boy still hasn't streamed

>>379144012
It's a genre for morons, overall. Idiots who put too much time into it, and are afraid of feeling that they wasted all that time.
There's the dude in here who spent 4.5k HOURS into it. I bet you anything that's not even abnormal for these idiots.

>>379115723
I don't play team games

>>379144063
bsj is streaming right now though

>>379144148
How much time have you clocked into your game?

>>379144256
>pretending any other genre has anyone putting in quadruple digit hours into it
moba fans, everyone

>>379144243
>Playing support now

>>379144357
Answer the question, faggot

>>379142240
>Dota requires around 1000 hours for a basic understanding of the game

Do Dotards actually believe this shit?

>>379144476
What game you talking about? Not a single game comes remotely close to 4.5k hours, so where would a non-autist even start?

You can't mentally deflect this one, faggot

>>379144561
everyone who isn't a shitposting memelord believes it

>>379144561
It's how they mentally justify to themselves wasting their lives.

If they pretend it takes 1000 hours to master, they don't have to feel that putting in 4.5k hours into the single game means they have no other reason to live.

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>>379144357
Were you not on Steam back when TF2 was relevant?

>>379144576
Like how you're dodging the question?

>>379144692
Was on Steam when we were forced to install it for HL2, back when the client was complete horse shit.
You still trying to justify you wasting your life? That's not how any of this works

>>379144012
Dagon 5 plus E blade is 12420 gold, can only be used once to kill something once, and is completely blocked by bkb. If what you said was true, every single hero in the game would be buying it, instead of just tinker and supports who have too much money for their own good. End your life 2k shitter

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>>379144476
stop replying. he's samefagging and obviously baiting. probably the same guy that shills HotS every day