In this day and age, is using cartridges again (like the Switch

>>379076343
>needs physical distribution
You console boys really make me smile

>>379076524
>Boy I sure do love not owning my games because I buy only digital!
You PC boys really make me smile

Cartridges offer superior loading speed. Their previous problem - limited storage space - is no longer an issue. The only concern is price, but buying in volume should offset that quite a bit.

>>379076343
Nintendo fucked up by not allowing devs to have the option to make carts with surplus storage for patches and DLC

That would be perfect. Carts that could hold everything.

>>379076343
meh, might as well keep using cheap ass discs and offset downloading what didn't fit on that as a patch to the consumer. There's still no problem here laserdisc memelord.

We should go back to putting video games on vinyl.

>>379076343
I think it's a good idea but it makes pirating/emulation much easier

When we going back to tape?

>the disc looks so heug in his hand

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>>379076627
I hate it to break to you, but most likely when they shutdown servers, your consoles will turn into bricks and all all exclusivities will be lost forever.

Meanwhile we pc boys will just download right emulator and game for free from the right p2p network and roll on. Until it has audience it will have people willing spend resources to keep the pirates going.

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>>379078337

>>379077993
Shit's on blu ray and looks phenomenal. Get with the time gramps.

>>379078337
pretty much every console and handheld has been hacked except for the 3 current ones.
I can see that being a problem.

>>379076343
That's a big disc

>>379078726

Yes

Depends.

Cartridges are fine in my opinion for portable devices like the Switch, especially now that flash memory is more viable then it was before. While UMD's were a interesting design for the PSP, they were flimsy as fuck and the drives are one of the most common failing points for older PSP systems, not to mention how loud the loading was.

However, I think for normal consoles, Blu-Ray or the equivalent will still be a better choice due to low cost and how easy it is to mass produce VS Cartridge. The downside is load times even with installations are still going to suck ass.

Only thing is I wish that Nintendo didn't make the Switch carts so small and made them closer to GBA width size or so. Way too easy to lose shit.

>>379078806
*can't see

within 10 years consoles will be all digital
screencap this

>>379076343
The Switch isn't using cartridges in the same sense they were used in the 90s. A "Game Card" might have different data density and power requirements when compared to a Blu ray, but that's nothing like when SNES games would strap on an extra CPU.

Optical discs are disappearing anyway, PCs don't need them these days and I wouldn't be surprised to see PS6 at least have disc free model. Retailers are probably the main source pushing to keep games on shelves, but developers are already shipping empty discs that you install and update right away.

>>379078898
>Way too easy to lose shit.

This is true... but only if you're an idiot. Learn to take care of your shit, plain and simple.

>>379076524
I game pretty regularly on PC and consoles, and while I like the convenience of digital distribution I still have that ingrained autism of wanting physical copies of my favorite games.

I understand that it's a silly thing to latch on to, but I just like having something I can hold and put up on my collection shelf.

>>379078846
For you

>>379076627
you know you dont own games either way right?

thats how software works, its all liscenses

>>379078512
Dont cry anon, one day you will grow up, find a job, make enough money to buy pc with overblown budged only to find out you have grown out from videogames and return back to impregnating your real 3D waifu.

We all are going to make it.

>>379078806
It can become problem with pc games if we dont do something with denuovo or with W10 locking down hardware (uefi) and forcing to use windows app store.

Also fuck denuovo. You cant even mod the game with it properly.

>>379076343
Cartridges are causing the Switch version of games to cost more.

>>379076343
As long as >5mbps and data capped internet connections exist I don't think we'll switch to physical only.

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>>379078846
It allows the disc to hold more graphics.

If you are able to buy a console you're also able to download games trough the internet.
How about we save space and time by having a permanent storage device in peoples home, download the games into that and then play it?

>>379078898
Switch games are the same price as Blu rays one, how easy it is to mass produce is not your problem.

>>379076343
we're closer to 2020 than we are than the start of this gen

digital only

>>379076343

Despite what autists here say, physical media is dying, and quickly

With all of the day one patches and DLC we have these days, even if you own the disc you'd be pretty fucked if servers shut down

But really, there's not much point to getting -any- media physically unless you're a collector

>>379079971
>not thinking about long term
i'm not against digital but for consoles, if the servers are shut down you lose your games and that's it. until we get a way to back them up like on pc, i'll refuse to make the switch

>>379079898
>I like to spend $60 on a game and not own it.

digital games are the same price as retail and many times retail ends up cheaper from discounts and sales. plus you don't lose access when the servers eventually shut down. so, why do people defend this again?

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>>379077993
Are we posting our LDs?

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>>379078337
>Having to rely on Piratefags to keep games
Worst timeline

>>379080182
Have the download servers for any console been shut down, ever?

Legitimate question, the only one I know of is the DSi, but there was literally nothing worth playing on the DSi in the first place. The only thing even slightly worth playing would be that one Shantae game, and even then if you actually purchased it on a DSi, you can transfer that purchase to a 3DS and redownload it from the 3DS's eShop.

>>379076343
switch is a handheld

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>>379080681
>plus you don't lose access when the servers eventually shut down
He believes this

>>379080870
noice
I want to start putting lds on the wall (like people do with records) cause I think they have better cover art

>>379080870
As much as I like LDs the fact that they don't have a spine kills my enthusiasm to collect any.

>Have to install the entire fucking game to the PS4 or Xbone hard drive in order to play because they can't read the disc fast enough.
Bring back cartridges as a standard.

>>379081056
the xbox original servers got shut down. just because it used xbox live doesn't mean it's still supported. microsoft will likely shut down servers for the xbox 360 soon. also the wii servers got shut down as well

>>379081298
The Wii shop's servers are still up, actually. Just the multiplayer servers went down.

>>379081298
Just multiplayer server for Wii.

A lot of games still have the DLC shop active, hell you stil can buy songs on Rockband.

>>379081172
Unless you want to start paying close to $100 for the cartridge alone (before and data is put on it) they won't be able to read them fast enough either

The industryy is moving to no physical copies of games at all and that's what you'll get in the future. Expandable system memory and downloadable stuff only.

>>379081581
The problem with disks is that devs pretty much bloat the filesize for sake of filling the entire BD. Compression and removing all that extra languages would be really good.

>>379078337
>buying digital
>when you can pirate
just kys PCfat, you can't even do that right

>>379077829

>That got deleted

Fucking seriously? There wasn't even any nudity. I haven't understood the mods since 2007.

>>379081138

I didnt wanna buy a mirror so i mounted one in the guest bathroom as a mirror. Its a good conversation piece

>>379076343
Yes. They're faster, compact, and can carry a lot of data.

Discs are going to be outdated soon. Probably within 10 years

>>379081298
What was actually on the original Xbox's servers? Could you actually download games from it?

Never had one and now I'm curious. I know it had a whopping 8GB hard drive so you had to be able to download SOMETHING.

>>379081171
It's still the best possible format for some movies or animation shorts
Betty Boop for the longest time had LD as it's best format if you wanted it uncensored for example.

>>379081720
I buy games since i got my first job. The last game i pirated was modern warfare 2. Since then i buy them because i can easily afford to.

And trust me, i was as dumb as you are now and considered buying games as stupidity. Turns out your morals and personality change as you grow up.

>>379081751

And it was spoilered.

Time to see if I got banned for it!

>>379080276
>backup game onto other medium
>???

You have the same amount of ownership either way.

We can cram hundreds of gigabytes on tiny-ass sd cards and thumb drives. Why bother with CDs if you have to put it on physical media?

>>379080681
>>379080182
Sony does it right. The digital game is locked to you account, true, but you don't need to be online once installed (if it's your main console), plus you can backup the games on an external hard disk and from there where you want.

Maybe if your console is set on fire after Sony shuts down you lose the games, but then I recall the PS4 to have an option to import the data from the backup of another console. I haven't tried it but if online authentication is not needed, you pretty much won't lose any game ever.

Probably a case for switching to USB flash drives or something similar. Can't really see why not, especially for consoles that let you install the game.

>>379082334
>You have the same amount of ownership either way.

Ha, yeah sure pal. Good luck selling it when you're done with it or just don't care. Good luck trading it, good luck letting your best friend borrow it, etc etc. Never mind the fact that hard drives fail all the time and then bye bye games. Meanwhile.... I have my favorite games on physical that I've had for 25 years that I can do whatever I want with whenever I want because I actually own them.

>>379082342
Moder flash cards won't retain data for more than a decade when not in use, though. They are not like the old ROM cartridges, the data on them relays on a voltage retained in tiny transistors that have unavoidable current leaks and will empty themselves over time.

CD/BD, when built right, are guaranteed to last 100 years or more.

Cartridges are more useful, but discs are cheaper. There you go.

Fuck cd load times. Seriously.

>>379082816
So what you're saying is we should use ROM cartridges
...
Like the Switch does?

>>379083082
Switch cartridges are flash based. ROM hasn't been used since N64.

>>379078337
I hate to break it to you, but that's why I usually buy physical copies of games on consoles

>>379078846
For you

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>>379076343
Pssst, hey OP

>>379082795
>good luck relinquishing ownership
>when your initial argument is maintaining ownership

>argueing about hard drive fidelity when the post you are responding to is about making backups

You are trying too hard to shitpost, anon.

>>379078337
>I hate it to break to you, but most likely when they shutdown servers, your consoles will turn into bricks and all all exclusivities will be lost forever.
what a load of bullshit, what the servers have to do with physical media, not even microshit uses "always online" shit

>>379076343
Flash drives are faster, cheaper, and have more storage space than disks
So yeah, cartridges is the way to go
The only reason cartridges were replaces by discs was because, you guessed it! Discs are faster, cheaper, and have more storage space

This is just the natural progression of events

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>>379078337

>Steam
>buying digital
>owning any game for real

What does it feel to be permanently cucked, anon?

>>379083480
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read. Seek help anon.

>>379084720
The main problem with PC games is not Steam per se, but the fact that games won't update to work with newer operating systems.

At least with consoles, you know the games will work forever without any unoptimised trickery like Virtual Machines or dedicating whole PCs + OSs to certain games.

>>379076736
Or just a line of code to read off the systems HDD and scan for the updates/DLC.

>>379085138
But V's are piss easy to use and have essentially no performance loss. Consoles on the other hand have a lifespan. Eventually they will break and eventually their will be no replacement parts

Any storage medium that requires spinning a fragile disc at high speed (be it a CD/DVD/BD or an HDD) is going to be a problem in a portable device. For stationary devices they're fine so taking advantage of the superior price per GB there makes sense, of course, so I doubt we see them go away for those for a very long time.

>>379081970
>m-muh morals
>proceeds to shit on console memers
double standard

inb4 the gnome shows up and whines about mean stalkers.

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>>379086296

I thought Manlytears stopped coming around /v/.

>>379086969
He posts his videos all the time and will rabidly defend himself in filename threads. Just give it time.
He's made nearly 3000 posts defending himself on another chan in the span of a year.

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>>379086994

>Not Manlytears lends Vern Troyer his controller.

is every one just going to ignore the fact that >>379081059

>>379084724
Holy shit gimme source

>>379076343
Optical media costs pennies to produce it will always be cheaper than cartridges/flash media. Best case scenario everything will be digital distribution, worst everything will be streamed.

>>379081059
no its a console

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>>379081720
you do realise, if no one would buy anything on PC, nobody would release anything further on on PC? And the reason many multiplats are coming to PC is because somebody is actually buying them? You utter sack of useless trash

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>>379080870
Still looks classier than this.

>>379085138
>consoles
>last forever

Sure thing.

>>379088743
jelly poorfag detected.

>>379088743
The game boy games are the only thing ruining the aesthetics of the room imo

>>379088635
you realize I wasn't speaking about everyone but a single PCfat, Einstein?
>murican reading comprehension

>>379078846
4u

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>>379089297
ffs, stop shitposting for just one second, will you?

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>>379088743
This is my games.
DVDs has 4 of these units full plus more

>>379089665
Close up of the snes games? Anything rare?

>>379085396
>systems HDD
All 32GBs of it

>>379087113

>Also a manlet
>Probably shorter than he is
>Still love me some short jokes
>But no one will tell me any of their favorites

Probably for the best. They'd go over my head anyway.

>>379090806
He's 5'3, I doubt you're shorter than him.

>>379090326
SNES not really. 12 Mario Paints and Super Mario RPG

>>379091676

4'8" master race.

Figured I was, thanks for confirming.

All bow before the Manlet King, because I simply cannot hear you from all the way up there.

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Laserdisc? More like Laser-Rot Disc.

>>379091908
This is as autistic as it gets. Dude even broke the tabs off so no one could record over them.

Manly Tears jokes still make me laugh to this day.

>>379091908
VHS dies over time and is less heat resistance

>>379083374
Hate to break it to you, but games come with mandatory patches nowadays. The data on your disk isn't actually what you're playing.

Cartridges are a good thing. Everything should be cartridges.

Music albums should come on cartridges
Movies should come on cartridges

>>379078337

My SNES and N64 games work fine, and they didn't have any servers to begin with.

>>379078846
UU
UU

>>379093382
That's obviously not what he means.

The industry is likely going to keep pushing downloads since it's cheaper and more people are buying their games that way. For PC, I couldn't care less, but I like owning physical console games.

I don't think cartridges will ever be a universal thing again; Nintendo just did it because it was the most practical way to physically sell a portable game.

>>379092142
Woah, didn't notice that.

>>379093219
Do you also want them to be twice as expensive?

Cartridges have come full circle to be superior again. Disc based storage are becoming obsolete with solid state drives becoming very cheap.

who tf even uses physical these days.. go digital

and don't reply to me if you do, i don't care

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>>379094104
>and don't reply to me if you do, i don't care

>>379092980
you can back that data up

>tfw no modern minidisc
>tfw people who rely on digital only when the whole capcom losing the marvel license happened to digital copies of mvc1/2/3 and they disappeared

>>379094681
How is that any different from backing up the data of a digital download?

>>379094984
because they require the client and its servers to be able to be played, unless they're cracked

>>379094904
I don't think they ever revoked licenses, just removed that particular item from the store. I can still play/redownload Scott Pilgrim despite it not being available to buy for years now.

>>379079281
Wow anon, sure hope "they" don't find out i bought all my N64 carts second hamd and revoke all my N64 licences.

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>Demo discs are no longer a thing
>Kids will never know the joys of picking up a pizza & playing brand new game demos for the rest of that friday night with your friends

There's certain things I feel really bad about with modern games, & this is one of them. Same goes for getting a demo disc in the mail with a video game magazine. It's hard to replicate that now due to the internet just handing you anything you want. Games were a LOT harder to come by, so when you got a demo disc it was like a god damn birthday present.

>>379076524

>Hard drive wipe
>Gabe "not your friend" Newell doesn't sell steam and it goes offline

T..Thanks Master Race!

>>379079281
>autism the post
So i also don't own my music?
So i also don't own my movies?
MY GAME IS ON THE FUCKING DISC
YOUR GAME IS ON A STEAM SERVER

>>379076343
Optical media has served its purpose, now it needs to fuck off.

>>379089665
What shelves are those?

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>>379095345
Yeah, I remember me and my pal would play the same demo disks over and over. shit was fun

>>379095606
I got them when BlockBuster closed down. I wish I knew where I can get more

>>379095461
>So i also don't own my music?
>So i also don't own my movies?

>MY GAME IS ON THE FUCKING DISC
>YOUR GAME IS ON A STEAM SERVER

Modern "gamers" have been conditioned to think this way. The cognitive dissonance caused by even presenting the other argument is physically painful for them to even discuss.

Physical for when you need a backup & absolutely need to play a game, digital for convenience. Having both is the best option.

>>379086969
m-more?

>>379092980
Thats why i only buy GOTY editions and remasters

You are a tech illiterate retard. Switch cartridges aren't the same technology as NES/SNES/N64 ROM carts. Optical media will look as obsolete as VHS tapes in 10 years.

>>379076343
both of them don't matter anymore, soon everything will be digital and the only thing that will matter is hard drive size and speed.

>>379076343
Anyone in this thread who does not advocate the choice of BOTH os being a butthurt retard who belongs to the "just" brigade. You could only deny others the choice of both if you don't have that choice. You are literally saying "you must do as i am forced"

>>379095778
The only way to OWN a PC game is to pirate it and save it on a SSD or DVD

Thats why the force mutiplayer games so hard into your not loved face, because they know you would not pay for a Single player game and just pirate it

PC faggots runied video games

>>379078337
The first Xbox had its servers shutdown and all my games work just fucking fine.

In the meantime when all your DRM infested licenses gets their servers shutdown, your files are fucking useless.

Have you never played a console in your life, autist?

>>379085138
That's why they build in old mode in the OS.

Cartridges are superior. They actually have high capacity storage now, which was the one thing they lacked when discs became prevalent in the mid-90s. They're sturdier, have faster load times, easier to swap out, etc.

Discs nowadays suck because the reads are so slow that they require the game to be installed first before you can even play. Which defeats the entire purpose of buying physical over digital. It's essentially physical DRM for playing a digital install.

>>379096249
Most large games still have physical PC releases. I can't imagine that will persist though, considering fibre optic broadband is starting to reach rural areas.

>>379096930
>Most large games still have physical PC releases
Haha all you get is a steam/origin/blizzard instaler on DVD and a download code

>>379086969
>>379086296
He's streaming on youtube right now, he won't be here to cry.

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Don't mind me, just posting the best worse disk format of its time.

>>379098829

Link? I want to tell him he's got nothing to complain about.

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>>379098517
dangerously thicc

she's fine now, but she's not going to stay the same weight. she's only going to get fatter

>>379098517
EXTRA THICC

>>379099092
shes fat, anon. stop using words to dance around your low standards

>>379079702
wouldn't that hurt?

>>379099460
those tits aint fat tho

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for OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJ4K7BCcs8

>>379095461
>YOUR GAME IS ON A STEAM SERVER
No it isn't, the game is literally anywhere to be downloaded from at any time. "Piracy" is only piracy if you don't own a license to the software. I can legally download any game whose license I claim ownership to from any third party.

>>379099587
How underage are you?
TITS ARE ALMOST ONLY FAT

>>379099836
her tits are like skimmed milk on the spectrum of fat

>>379076524
This guy, buying digital games he can't play without having Internet available first.

Gotta love him.

>>379098970
people don't make fun of him because he's just short. He is also a closet homo, a closet pedo, and an all around faggot.

>>379099785
>No it isn't, the game is literally anywhere to be downloaded from at any time
No it's fucking not it's bound to a steam account and i even remeber when GTA IV came out on steam you could only download it 5 (FIVE) times in total on any PC with your account so STFU you subhuman moron

Digital is only good for PC because le l33t russian hax0rs will always find a way to crack anything so you can save on a SSD or DVD like i already said

Anyone who buys digital movies and games that are streamed should fucking kill themselves

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Optical media is obsolete.
People only keep using it because it's cheap to manufacture.

>>379099904
Do you have autism?

>>379076343
Just pirate games, fuck what the autistics say on /v/

>>379100115
If times are so dire that we have to worry about the Internet of things, I'm not certain I'll be able to buy anything with debit or credit either. And I'm not so sure my local branch of [BANK] is sitting on substantial reserves of fiat currency, not that in such a scenario it would be worth anything.

>>379100385
DONT EVER FUCKING REPLY TO ME AGAIN

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>>379100264

>pedo

Really? I mean, I guess I understand wanting to look your lover in the eye, but even I don't think it's appropriate when a twelve-year-old is slouching for it.

>>379100298
You really are stupid. I can download the game from anywhere I please. My license is attached to Steam/Valve insofar as I purchased it from them, IF I purchased it from them. So long as I have licensing, I can get it from wherever I want. I'm not sure what part of this you're too ignorant to comprehend.

>>379100547
he got banned from 8ch for posting cp like 2 weeks ago.

>>379100587
Just kys you cuck

>>379081878
you could only download rather small xbox live arcade games, and at the time you needed to order an xbox live arcade disc just to access the storefront. there were some good games though, like think tanks and marble blast.
other than that some games had paid DLC like map packs and shit.

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>>379085396
>HDD
The Switch has an SSD, you illiterate subhuman retard.

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>current year
>I still laugh at manlytears jokes
How does he do it?

Who the fuck is Manly Tears?

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>>379100839
Concession noted.

>>379081068
just buy some games on each console, then yank it from the internet for a month or two and see how it takes it.
the biggest hazard of sony consoles is that when you restore a backup of your console, you have to log in and reacquire the licenses for everything you own, so if your hard drive ever shat out you would lose everything.

>>379076627
>What is GoG
>What is non DRM games
You do realize Steam isn't the only way to get games right? But you wouldn't know that cus all you hear is second hand accounts of what a PC actually is...

>>379081713
devs like video and audio to be at a non-ass bitrate and sample rate, which takes a lot of space even with the best compression, but go ahead and keep shitposting about muh literally uncompressed cutscenes because you don't want to get with the times and think every game should be 3gb or so.
what do they expect, that you can afford a hard drive or internet plan from this century? so fucking unreasonable!

>>379080953
SIND SIE DAS ESSEN NEIN WIR SIND DER JAGER

>>379100806
WHAT? This can't be real. He's not anonymous anymore. If he posted this with his trip on then just send pics of this to the police or something. That'll get him to the jail.

>>379095461
>So i also don't own my music?
>So i also don't own my movies?
correct.

>>379095461
my game is on my hard drive

do you think steam streams your game to you as you play it or something?

>>379100875
all flash memory =/= SSD

>>379081713
compression is never good if you can avoid it

>>379076736
Nintendo fucked up by letting publishers use carts that can't even hold the full game. Lego City: Undercover on Switch requires a several GB large download, even if you buy physical, because WB are jews and Nintendo let them be jews.

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>>379091908

What are some anime everyone should own on VHS?

>>379102463

The first sale doctrine says otherwise.

>The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner.

>>379076343
>discs in a fucking handheld
this was never at any point a good idea

>>379079559
>W10 locking down hardware (uefi) and forcing to use windows app store.
Don't talk about shit you don't know anything about

>>379103248
Can you not read your own text?
You have
>the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose.
You don't get ownership of the copy. I can buy a VHS tape, watch it with my friends, and then sell it to a random stranger, but I, my friends, or that stranger, never did or will legally "own" that tape.

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>>379102553
>my game is on my hard drive
lol

>>379103409
What's your idea for putting 1.5 GB games onto a handheld in 2005? Keep in mind the price of flash memory at the time.

>>379103702

Most computer software is distributed through the use of licensing agreements. Under this distribution system, the copyright holder remains the "owner" of all distributed copies.

>>379103960
step one: there is literally no reason for a handheld game to be that fucking big

>>379101009
A tripfag back when tripfags were more obnoxious in /v/. There should be some articles about him on ED or some other place.

>>379103447
Combine mobos/notebooks which dont allow you to turn down secure boot or import custom keys with w10 where automatic update will update it again and you wont be able to install anything which isnt on windows store and your hardware is fucked.

The only thing standing against it is anti monopol agencies and somewhat competitive market.

It can get real.

>>379103060
Dragon Ball

the Switch is a mobile system, using disc on it would've been a pain.

What happened to tripfags?
They have gone extinct as of late.

>>379104094
many games utilized that space well. we got better handheld games at the cost of that shitty disc drive.

>>379076524
resell value my man, best reason

For physical distribution, cartridges are better again.

>>379102981
>requires a several GB large download
Were you born yesterday? This is literally all games now. Where do you think those Day 1 patches go to, the blu ray?