so what is the canon story line for this geimu? chrono is supposed

>>379073828
Reviving Crono, recruiting Magus and the Black Omen ending.
Which is the one nearly every player is going to get their first time through anyway.

>>379073828

Defeating Lavos on the first day.

>>379074175
chrono is supposed to die according to chrono cross

I wish the canon ending was the one that they crash Epoch on Lavos.
It's so much more aceptable than defeating the world destroyer that couldn't be stopped even with all the futuristic technology, just with your Japanese katana folded over a 1000 times.

>>379073828
The one where Ayla gets lots and lots of sex with everybody.

>>379074557
Chrono dies between Trigger and Cross, so he is still alive by the end of Trigger.

>>379073828
The one you got when you played
Canon is a load of horse shit that people care way too much about

>>379074557
>>379074732
No, the game doesn't say if he died or not. The ghost version in Trigger is from the timeline where Lavos destroys the world.

>>379074557
Crono supposedly dies in the invasion of Guardia alongside Lucca a couple years after the events of the original game. Not in the events of the first game.

Chrono Cross is about repairing a failed timeline anyway, so even if that was the case everything got retconned at the end.

>>379074732
between trigger and cross = the point in trigger when lavos evaporates him

thats why only lucca and marle are alive in the beginning of cross

>>379074572
Superior nippon steel is optional. Two other methods are cavewoman fists and a robot.

>>379074572
The credits in that version suck and you never resolve the Queen Zeal subplot, so the other one works better in execution.

>>379075002
cross doesnt retcon any of the events of trigger, you just say that because you dont like the fact that lynx rekt them in the most faggish way possible

>>379075176
Well no shit.
But Lynx killing everyone doesn't happen in Trigger and the new timeline created at the end is one free of all of FATE and the Time Devourers bullshit.

>>379073828
>>379074557
>>379074732
>chrono

Every time.

>>379075442
>the new timeline created is free of tine devourer bullshit

obviously not true or cross wouldnt have been a game

all endings with everything turning out fine are not canon

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>>379074679
ayla is not for sexual

>>379076638
If wrong could be harnessed as a power source...

>>379076746
shes too pure to think like that anon

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>>379076251
Calling Crono Chrono triggers me.

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>>379075145
the subplot only really gets addressed in cross anway

>>379077667
>Reject Kid in the Cape Howl
>Reject Kid in Termina
>Refuse to save her after Viper Manor
>Never come back for her after S.S Invincible
>Harle still leaves because apparently Serge only loves Kid
Fuck, what's even the point of having all those options?

>>379074875
This. Christ.

>>379073828
Crono dies no matter what and gets revived no matter what, even if you don't do the sidequest, the party still sets off to revive him in the ending, so I'd say that's canon.

>>379074875
>canon is horseshot
>game devs bothered making a canon

ill never understand try hard "it dont matter hurp derp" types. if there was no point in story then they would have never made a story tard

>>379078524
>it happends no matter what

sauce

magus also sets out after schala no matter what ending that you save him but it never really happens in the canon

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>>379078179
>have to refuse to save her to get best character

>>379078571
There's a difference between a story not mattering and canon not mattering, anon.

Dirge of Cerberus is absolutely Canon to FF7, but it's a piece of shit that isn't worth your time. Meanwhile, Radical Dreamers is no longer canon for Chrono, but it's absolutely worth reading. "Canon" doesn't mean shit, it's just brand management and trying to simplify things for people too stupid to accept branching stories.

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>>379078817
>thinking glenn has anything on best man pierre

>>379078929
Radical Dreamers is semi-canon.
It's referenced in Cross as one of the existing alternate timelines.

Might as well be anyway since it's far better written than Cross and Square never did a third game.

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hello

Cross IS not Canon to Trigger!

>>379079196
Fuck off

>>379073828
>so what is the canon story line for this geimu?

the abomination known as Chrono Cross

>>379078795
Well first, only the 2 endings that you would get in a normal playthrough count because all the other ones are meant for NG+ and are unobtainable otherwise unless you do some extreme grinding, so going by the main story, you can't avoid Crono dying to Lavos, and you can either choose to beat the game without him or go and do the sidequest to revive him, if you revive him you get this ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VARJiYx0JUQ (this ending has multiple variables, but is mostly the same with each of them) or if you don't revive him you get this ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D02VoRn5pc

Either way, Crono lives.

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>>379079303
nuh uh

>>379079208
>Cross IS not Canon to Trigger!

It's a direct sequel. It's canon

>>379079185
I mean that's kind of what I'm getting at. Canon doesn't matter because stories only matter as much as the audience allows. You wouldn't suddenly disregard the Mother Brain sidequest just because Square deemed it noncanon, right?

>>379078817
I'd argue Serge and Harle are better than Glenn, but Serge is the MC, and Harle leaves the party, so Glenn is the best character you can recruit at least. Also Macha. Why the hell that fat middle aged mama is so damn strong?

>>379079903
So is DMC2, FF4TAY, Castlevania Legends, etc.

>>379080208
Yeah but Cross isn't trash

>>379080208
at least with DMC2 it's the farthest in the timeline

>>379080321
>Yeah but Cross isn't trash

Yeah. Crossis utter shit, which is worse than trash

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>>379079895
How did it get to that from this?

>>379080554
because Cross was shit

>>379080554
Misaligned QPUs are nobody's fools.

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>tfw I'm the only one that used Marcy

Nikki is best boy.

>>379079196
CTDS tried so, so hard to clear up those loose ends.

What was the actual explanation for the Dream Devourer anyway? I can't remember.

>Thread about Trigger
>Crosstards have to come in and start spouting crap about their crappily written mess
Kill yourselves already for fucks sake.

>>379080914
Lavos met up with Schala in who the fuck knows where and merged

>>379077416
It was obviously meant to be Chrono but they were too incompetent to program more than 5 letters for names so it had to be cut down to Crono.

>>379081000
The thread was about what the games canon ending is, and since there's a sequel it'll naturally be a part of the discussion.

>>379080914
Something something Lavos absorbs Schala.

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>>379081051
>merged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-2k_23yaA

>>379081051
Also Dalton is involved somehow...because...
???????

It was an attempt, but you can't make it work.

>>379081167
>It's a thread about Chrono canon

and that sadly means Cross shitposting

>>379081051
I still don't know why Schala powered up Lavos so much when her magic stems from Lavos' own power.

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>>379081308
>>379081216
What is with this theme of Japanese RPGs and people merging or absorbed? What's the thought process there?

one thing that always bugged me was the invasion ending on trigger, crono and co were strong enough to kill a planet destroying space parasyte, but got killed by a bunch of foot soldiers?

>>379081440
>one thing that always bugged me was the invasion ending on trigger, crono and co were strong enough to kill a planet destroying space parasyte, but got killed by a bunch of foot soldiers?

Welcome to Cross' horrible writing

>>379081424
Needs a Braazers logo.

>>379081216
Because Cross had a 2deep4u ending where an emotional appeal led to their rebirth in modern Japan.

Cross is a shining example of what was going wrong at Square. They were moving towards Moffat style "fuck you it works" writing in a vain attempt to continue looking like they knew how to write nuanced stories and adding complications to their gameplay without considering what purpose it would serve. They're STILL doing this shit to this day and it's hurting them.

>>379081440
>>379081503
Don't forget, an army of normalfags brought up by fucking Dalton of all people.

>>379073828
What is this game? I'm tired of indie devs making 'le retro pixelgrafics'

>>379081424
To create a villain that is a cunt but also something the player don't want to immediately murder on sight, at least not before considering the consequences.

I never played cross
what happens to Crono and Friends

>>379081503
Those events never happened in Chrono Cross though.

>>379081424
It's literally part of their creation myth, for one. Go read up on Izanami.

Second, it's meant to add drama by placing something you value in distress in a more complex way than simple kidnapping. The characters can't simply save them via brute force; they must grow as people, emotionally, and learn to better understand each other.

That's the idea, at least. The execution is almost always shit.

>>379081810
They all die, except Robo I think.

>>379081879
Robo dies in-game
He's referred to as Prometheus

>>379081879
Robo dies too.

>>379081762
Chrono Trigger

a SNES game.

>>379081821
except they fucking did.

>>379081879
Robo is the AI locking the door to the frame that gets deleted

>>379073828

It's a time travel story about changing history. Every ending is canon.

>>379081810
They die horribly for fucking with time.

Why was Magus looking for Schala at the end of Chrono Trigger? She was left at the bottom of the ocean. She used the last of her pendant's power to warp Crono and the gang to safety. She was completely spent, and probably got crushed by the Ocean Palace or drowned.

So why does he search in vain? Cross explanations need no apply.

>Feel like playing again
>Know the game way too well so it would be piss-easy
What do I do bros?

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>>379081879
>>379081943
>>379081948
>>379082029
how does my fucking boy die

>>379081986
We don't get to know what happened to Crono and Marle in CC.

>>379082043
Timey Wimey Wibbly Wobbly

>>379082104
>how does my fucking boy die
not mentioned,

>>379082124
they died between games. You see their ghosts.

>>379082043
>So why does he search in vain
Because it's his fucking sister and the only other being in the whole world and through the ages that actually fucking loves him.

>>379082104
Frog and Ayla don't get fucked over because they are in the past. It's assumed they lived normally until they died of old age.

Frog also may or may not have NTR'ed King Guardia of the past too.

>>379082060
Just fucking play it again. Who cares if it's easy?

>>379082104
He doesn't.
Frog and Ayla are ok.
Magus too, probably.

>>379082124
It's heavily implied they died with the fall of Guardia

>>379082132
its wibbly wobbly timey wimey spacey wacey dumb faggot

>>379080554
Wait that was just Lavos' outer shell right?
Why does Time Devourer have no part of Lavos Core in its design at all?

>>379082184
I get he cared about her. But she's DEAD. I don't see any motive for him, unless he's just gone hysterical and can't control himself.

Even one of the other characters is like "You're going to search for Schala aren't you?" How did they figure that? Do they think she's still alive?

Reminder that Doan is a descendant from Guardia's line which implies that Crono and Marle survived the fall of Guardia.

>>379082326
Listen I don't give a fuck what Brit George Lucas calls it.

>>379082178
The ghost children are not them.

>>379082384
>Even one of the other characters is like "You're going to search for Schala aren't you?" How did they figure that? Do they think she's still alive?
They all knew he was a siscon faggot.

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>>379082351
Why is Schala a tan blonde girl in a white dress when her defining features were her blue hair and purple robe

>>379082384
>I get he cared about her. But she's DEAD.
To be fair, between all the time fuckery there's the very slim chance that Schala got sent to another time period instead of dying.

>>379082384
T I M E
T R A V E L

>>379082351
>>379082452
Got, Cross was such a fucking piece of shit. Can't even get something so fucking basic as character design right.

>>379082452
Dream Devourer is into blondes.

>>379082452
She's from the same lineage of Ayla and Marle.
She's naturally blonde, but the exposition to magic changed it somehow.

>>379082209
>Magus too, probably.

he's that Guile guy.

and Alya is mentioned in Cross:
If you get the True "you need to look it up on the internet since the Player's Guide does not tell you" Ending with Leah in your part she says:

>Land calling-um Leah... Time Leah go-um home. Leah already have-um name for Leah's child. Big, strong name.
>"Aylaaaaaa!!! New song of land! Bye, Serge. Oooga-Booga!"

>>379082408
>The ghost children are not them.
how do you know that? The kids share their appearances and they know about stuff from Trigger.

>>379082528
>>379082579
maybe the effect dim colors or some shit

>>379082104
He went back to the past and wasn't mentioned in Cross
There is a guy named Glenn that looks exactly like his human form, wears similar clothes, and learns X-strike (the only dual tech in the game) but is completely unrelated to Frog

>>379082661
Magus was supposed to be Guile, but that subplot was dropped because the game was already convoluted enough.

>>379082480
>>379082490
That's all well an good. But Magus ends up spending time with the spunky kids trying to save Lavos, instead of time hopping in search of Schala. And by the end of the game, the gates are closed. He leaves to presumably the time of antiquity, with no means of time travel. Does he have a plan? Is he going to open his own gates? is that why he's flying up above the mountains in the credits?

>>379075904
You have severe autism

But what about the old man and the bucket?

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Cross was a mistake.

>>379082908
See
>>379082930

>>379082384
Aimlessly searching for a lost/presumed dead person is a very common staple of Japanese fiction. The search is usually intended to be metaphorical and often ends poorly, even if the person is found.

So how are Crimson Echoes and Flames of Eternity?

Cross is a good game with an intriguing combat and leveling system, but the one dimensional cast kinda fucked it

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Reminder

>>379083107
Figuring out Cross's battle system was discouraging. Knowing how much effort it takes to pull off moves, makes me not even want to bother.

>>379083240
A. MISTAKE.

>>379083107
>Let's add a gorillion party members and make them all have no personality at all or make them relevant to the plot!
What were they thinking?

>>379082821
Magus being Guile is kind of implied by the new ending in Trigger's DS port.
Shit is so fucking confusing, the only way to understand the series is to ignore everything except Trigger on SNES.

How would you fix Cross?

>>379083372
>Magus has amnesia
>This implies he is Guile, a character that never even implied memory loss
Not implied enough to me.

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>>379083240

>tfw you will never inseminate a planet

Why am I affected by this feel?

>>379083653
by not allowing it to exist

Wasn't Cross written by this dude who was the one who made-up the idea of Zeal and made everything revolve around it or something like that and was the idea guy and then had no one to tell him "No, that's retarded" during Cross and that's why Cross turned out to be such a mess?

>>379084000
I do remember reading something along the lines that the guy kills off or gives terrible endings to the Chrono Trigger cast out of spite alone just because of that

>>379083653
-Remove all references to Chrono Trigger, the only exception being the implication that Trigger's time shenanigans may have caused all this.
-Reduce cast to half the size.
-Give the characters actual personality.
-Create more than one meaningful story route.
-Make a combat system that isn't shit.

Alternatively

-Adapt Radical Dreamers

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>>379083670
>Guile was supposed to be Magus, but the subplot was abandoned
>Schala opens a portal and sends Magus to some random time/dimension place, and Magus loses all his memories in the process, so now we can imply he is Guile without having to touch Cross again
I'm not saying this is some amazing writing that fixes everything, but that was the whole point of the extra ending on DS.

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Do you miss me already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YELRuYNBRDk

>>379081240
I don't understand how the fuck did Dalton beat Crono, Lucca, and Marle during the Porre uprising?
He was a failure of a magician and Crono and friends already could defeat advanced technomagic.

>>379084374
No. 2D > 3D

>>379077667
Kid a shit

I'm still mad that Crono dies by some random faggots in the Guardia fight.

Nigga he killed some alien being and fought a fucking witch-cyborg thing atop a machine in space

>>379084198
This but make Orlha the main girl.

>>379084487
>I don't understand how the fuck did Dalton beat Crono, Lucca, and Marle during the Porre uprising?

see >>379081503
>Welcome to Cross' horrible writing

>>379084229
Good times not targetting dear ol' dad so he can land your town atop Deathevn's lair to give you the best ending.

I always wonder what happened to Patty though after she got knocked aside? Did she die?

>>379082628
That reminds me, why the fuck is nearly everyone you meet time traveling related to Marle?

>>379084708
Cut content

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>>379084603
Were they random or was it Glenn's brother with the Masamune that killed him?

Either way, anyone else get the vibe that the Cross writers had an absolute hateboner for Trigger?

>>379084000
Kato's like Nomura, except instead of being too surface level and complexity obsessed, he's actually just a fucking moron.

Horii and Kitase stopped him from making Trigger completely eschew the DQ style aesthetic the game was meant to have and a bunch of co-writers on Radical Dreamers stopped the plot from going full retard. He tackled writing Cross on his own and it was retarded nonsense.

CC wasn't a fluke, either. He wrote Ninja Gaiden 3's shottacular story too, as well as multiple shitty Mana games.

>>379084931
Blame Kato.

>>379084931
It was Dalton.

>>379084995
Can you go further in detail? You seem knowledgeable.

>>379085093
If you were trying to make things seem better or make any more sense then you failed completely.

>>379084931
>Either way, anyone else get the vibe that the Cross writers had an absolute hateboner for Trigger?

yeah, when they pretty much shat all over the previous game and killed several main characters offscreen, between games

>>379084995
I will forever hate that man. Fucking exposition bullshit at the end.

"Oh by the way you remember Lynx? Well guess what he's your dad."

>>379085093
God damn that's such fucking horse shit. Dalton was a fucking moron. I bet he was that Kato fuck's self-insert and this is his revenge for the rest of the Trigger writers telling him to fuck off.

>>379085179
No, it's incredibly stupid, but it's what happened. Dalton killed Crono and Marle with an army of random ass soldiers.

>>379084487
Hack Writing 101: Introduce something absurd, imply you'll explain it, then don't explain it. It's been a cheap trick to get people invested in your story for centuries.

>>379085418
>Hack Writing 101: Introduce something absurd, imply you'll explain it, then don't explain it. I

Patriots in MGS2

>>379085189
Lynx killing Lucca, random soldiers killing Crono, and then having Robo being fucking erased, and then having the Trigger cast look like toddlers was enough for me to nearly snap my disc in half.

>>379085353
>I bet he was that Kato fuck's self-insert and this is his revenge for the rest of the Trigger writers telling him to fuck off.
Dalton did nothing in Chrono Cross. This was only retconned in the CT port for DS many years later.

>>379085459
Except the Patriots are explained you fuckmunch.

>>379085353
>I bet he was that Kato fuck's self-insert and this is his revenge for the rest of the Trigger writers telling him to fuck o
Wait, what?

>>379085353
>Lynx is your dad that FATE turned into a furry because a panther killed you in an alternate universe so you'd be scared of it and as a result he can then steal your body and unlock the Lavos limiters that you have the keys to for reasons
Fuck anyone that defends Cross

>>379085623
>Except the Patriots are explained you fuckmunch.

in 4

>>379077667
Chrono cross is too shit to be considered canon

>>379083372
>tfw to intelligent to understand cross

>>379083670
Why would someone go around announcing to everyone they have amnesia?

>>379084853
because they wez kangs and shiet

>>379082790
Fuck, really? I remember I played some of Cross years ago, and Glenn's appearance confused the fuck out of me. I couldn't stop trying to figure out what the fuck human Frog was doing there

>>379085831
What's your point? Ultimately, it was explained, and it was very clear MGS was still continuing. Your example does not hold at all.

>>379084487
>Porre uprising
>town with three houses
>being able to cause an uprising
They were not thinking straight when it came to Cross' story.

>>379085843
I don't get it. We're spending time in Cross with alternate universe variants of Serge and Kidd yet they gave Magil the shaft instead giving us Guile skinned over Magil's intended design.

>>379085129
Just look at Kato's resume, the games he's involved with, and who he works with. The stuff in Trigger that isn't distinctly Horii or Kitase mostly transfers to Cross, as do many surface elements of Dreamers. He got his start as an artist, not a writer, and everything he writes follows the same patterns. Even in Trigger, Zeal is the most directly absurd part with the least structured narrative and the most "importance." He's a fucking idiot who resolves everything with "It just works!" because he's incapable of writing a coherent narrative.

Chrono Cross is a beautiful game with an astonishing soundtrack but a poor sequel to Chrono Trigger, a game that with its simplicity proves to have a better story and did not needed a sequel anyway.

>>379086170
>Zeal is the most directly absurd part with the least structured narrative and the most "importance."
What's wrong with Zeal?

>>379086012
>Ultimately, it was explained

but not in 2

>>379086108
I thought Porre was filled with the descendants of Magus' army though. Which now makes even less sense at how Crono was killed by normal soldiers when he tore through the front lines of their army in 600 AD.

>>379081597
You mean like Kingdom Hearts?

>>379086335
Different town idiot. And you become buddies with them anyway.

>>379086368
Not him but exactly. What should have been an innocent Disney/Final Fantasy mashup turned into a hot, stinky shit mess.

>>379086368
KH story may be super stupid, but it is extremely easy to understand if you've played the games. All the people whining about it's plot making no sense have plain and simply talking out of their asses and have not touched the games or have not played them all.

>>379086474
Wait so you mean fucking Porre the one with the guy who pays you gold to act like a chicken? How the fuck is that even fucking possible for them to take on Guardia? Jesus fucking Christ.

>>379086237
Chrono Cross should have been its own game rather than a sequel, but if it wasn't a sequel it wouldn't have had those comfy Trigger leitmotifs in the soundtrack.

frick

Who is this Kato dude and why does everyone hate him?

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Did anyone else use their own names and always get confused when people use the proper names?

I always called Crono "Angus" since he was a red head.

>>379086637
I don't think I ever used my own name for RPG characters.

>>379086583
>How the fuck is that even fucking possible for them to take on Guardia?
Dalton.

Yes, that's the explanation. We are supposed to believe Dalton somehow managed to make Porre into something capable of beating a kingdom with 3-planet destroying parasite killers, with two of them as the kingdom rulers at that too.

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>>379086637
>rent Chrono Trigger from Blockbuster
>Crono is named Fag
>Marle is named Bitch
>Lucca is named Dyke
>Frog is named Shit
>Robo is named Niggr
>Ayla is named Cunt
>Magus is still Magus

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They call me Gato
I have metal joints
Beat me up
And earn 15 silver points

>>379086583
That jerky you traded that guy in the past led to great ramifications

>>379086250
Nothing, because in Trigger it's a great juxtaposition of writing styles. Everything up to Zeal is straightforward, but then you have this weird, mysterious place that everything comes back to. It creates contrast, and everything comes to a head there.

The problem is that Kato writes EVERYTHING like Zeal. Without a Horii or Kitase or anyone else to pick the slack, Cross becomes an entire game where things are mysterious and happen because the narrative says so. Characters are interchangeable because Kitase doesn't do character writing aside from "You like Kid because I said so." Everything about the ending is nebulous and DEEP because he says so. He does not get that information needs to be presented to the audience in order to build proper conflict and resplution, instead opting to make everything unexplained time magic because fuck you.

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>>379086861
>mfw Gato is destroyed trying to protect Lucca from Lynx

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Why can't the fight against the actual final boss be this fucking amazing?

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>>379086861
>Mfw grinded for the Lode sword at the very beginning before doing anything
not worth it guys

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>>379076638
Would it still be rape if I was willing?

>>379086237
>>379086623
The thing about Chrono Cross is that it COULD'VE been a great sequel to Trigger if it were its own thing that only made light nods to its predecessor. It can still be about parallel universes and shit and all they had to do was not have it revolve around the events of Trigger.

>>379087210
I always liked that they made it seem as if Magus was the main Antagonist and they built him up but did it better than Lavos. If Chrono Trigger was a TV show the Magus Battle would be the end of season 1.

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>>379086562
>or have not played them all.
I don't blame these people, the spin-offs are fucking everywhere and not everyone is an idort, and in most series spin-offs usually aren't that important to the main plot, they usually are prequels or extra fanservice. Even the fucking mobile gachapon game is important for KH3.

>>379087210
Because Horii and Toriyama did the heavy lifting for Trigger, and Magus was the "Dragon Quest" part while Lab is was the "Final Fantasy" part.

>>379087274
>Not learning *Slash before entering the millennial fair

Technically I could've gotten Marle except Marle a shit and Marle a bitch

>>379087441
>Even the fucking mobile gachapon game is important for KH3.

it is?

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>tfw Yuropoor reading about this game in foreign game magazines

>>379087607
You guys never got Cross or Trigger?

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Being a kid is playing Chrono Trigger and having a good time.

Being an adult is realizing that Terranigma was just smarter.

>>379087849
I love it, but it's overrated as fuck.

>>379083095
Just okay. Not really worth putting time into, whether you're a fan of Cross or not.

>>379083318
Suikoden.

>>379087564
Yeah, the game is about the book of prophecies, and the book itself talks about the keyblade war. Game is also some sort of "prequel but not exactly" to the the series, since the game's events are set before the keyblade war.

>>379087790
I seem to recall I was never able to get my hands on Cross at least. I don't know if Trigger was available, never owned a SNES.

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>>379084198
>-Adapt Radical Dreamers

My nigger.

Cross was supposed to be Radical Dreamers done right, or more complete, but it turned out to be something else. I prefer the smaller purpose that RD served, and the overall dark, atmospheric VN approach. You could've made several of these "gaidens" to CT without making a full-blown sequel.

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>>379083318
Like Pokémon?

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>>379074175
i didnt revive him first playthrough

robo ayla frog

>you will never play CT for the first time again

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>>379084229

Ebin design

So are we all in agreement that Chrono Trigger is indeed about an ancient evil awakening?

>>379082060
You can always try the wooden sword run. Without Crono berserking all over everyone it is more difficult.

>>379089284
Thank god.

>>379089429
Well it's not really evil, just parasitic. And it's not really awakening, it's been going around and about for a pretty long time.

>>379083240
What did they mean by this?

I'm ok with a lot of flat characters, as long as the main cast get enough exposition.
The party limit should be 5-6 characters though, like Suikoden, so you could actually make a team with all the characters you want.

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>>379085353
>I will forever hate that man

I bought Sands of Destruction because him and Mitsuda worked on it. Immediately returned it upon sampling the combat and unskippable, poorly voiced cutscenes.

The thing is that I really liked Xenogears, so I was mostly expecting something like that, what with the isometric perspective. Instead I got a taste of garbage. Fortunately I had Bravely Default, which was a great game up until they tried to ape Groundhog Day.

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>>379089329
If only you had seen what I have seen.

Too bad you can never talk about even somewhat obscure RPGs on /v/.

>>379089548
I legitimately have no idea what the entire ending of the game was talking about

>>379085557
Cross was a great game, but those moments and the ridiculously convoluted plot just undercut it. At least getting the true ending was clever and the payoff satisfying. Classic PSX title, phenonmenal production, could've been so much worse.

>>379089697
Not him, but I've heard quite a deal of praise laid upon Breath of Fire. Is it actually good, is it it just nostalgiafagging like chrono trigger?

>>379089790
I don't think Cross was a great game. In fact I struggle to even call it a game because at no point is it fun to play.

It's a thing.

>>379089697
>use gameshark for infinite HP
>get to Tiger fight
>have to lose
>can't lose because of infinite HP

>>379089697
Oh hey it's Algernon.

Breath of Fire 1-3 were decent games. I personally liked the second one the most, especially because of the cast. Just wish the localization had been better.

Cross sucks. Too many characters and not in a good way like FFVI

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>>379089869
Do you like furries and killing monsters? And the occasional moment of going "holy balls"?

>>379090064
>>379089697
Also wish they explained what happened to Yua/Patty after she was kidnapped by that crazy priest.

>>379090064
>Breath of Fire 1-3

Not 4?
>>379090109

>>379089998
Babby's first VG karma

>>379090204
Oh shit and 4. I keep forgetting that the shitty Dragon's Quarter was V not IV.

>>379090109
that was horrifying and hot at the same time.

>>379090109
I can tolerate some degree of furryism, yes.

>>379089689
I really really liked that part of BD, it's nice to see them trying something radical. My only issue is that it gets way too hard way too fast unless you start using broken moves.

>>379086861
AAAAAAAH GONZAREZUU~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRpCjKoPps

>>379090432
I remember hating this so fucking bad when I was a teen

>>379087441
Gee, glad I stopped at KH2.

>>379073828
>Meanwhile Marle is making out with the soil

>>379074557
No one cares about Chrono Cross and for good reason

>>379089790
>At least getting the true ending was clever

except you needed to look it up on the internet

>>379090857
Don't care or try to deny?

>>379090981
I mean denying the existence of Cross is also a good thing to do. It's a butchering compared to Trigger, and like others have said it marked the negative shift in Square.

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>>379089697
Well, you can almost never talk about BoF2 because of the unspoken fag anon, at least in em-vee-see threads, but people talk up a storm about III and IV, both of which are classics but III is da best

>>379089878
It's an experience that's probably better because of it's parts rather than the whole. Mitsuda knocked it out of the park with his soundtrack, at least. The cinematics and the visuals are colorful and breathtaking, and the world you explore is genuinely fun and large. Battle system is interesting, and the major characters are fun and well designed. The worst things about the game are the story and the excess of weird fucking characters, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XurBf0sSeck

>>379073828
Chrono is revived, Magus is not killed, the 7 optional quests are completed and the game is finished by beating the Black Omen.

>>379083240
Fat chicks are gross.

>>379091081
>and like others have said it marked the negative shift in Square.
Anon, I'm counting the IPs, there's one or two dedicated CT fags bitching about CC in this thread.

>>379090403
The thing that killed me about it was that the core game itself was so 10/10, nevermind it being a tightened-up throwback to traditional FF games. You go through all that trouble for a poorly executed plot twist where you literally recycle half the game over and over?

>>379090972
Or a strategy guide, which I was already used to with Final Fantasy for 100% completion runs.

>>379073828
>>379074557

Also, Chrono Trigger and Radical Dreamers are not canon. No matter what people say.

>>379091373
>Or a strategy guide,

it tells you the pattern is in the guide but does not say where in the guide

>>379083240
Yes, it could be (You)

>>379091270
>the game is finished by beating the Black Omen

Back in 1,000,000 BC or 60,000 BC?

>>379091373
>You go through all that trouble for a poorly executed plot twist where you literally recycle half the game over and over?

See, this is where most people are mistaken. The only thing you have to do is go light up the crystals again, ignoring everything else. Doing it three times is tedious but it only takes like 2 hours tops. It's hardly a game-ender like in the Metroid Prime series.

>>379091329
>Anon, I'm counting the IPs
As Autistic as that sounds of you, that's probably because hardly anyone has played Cross to begin with.
I came into the thread with two posts, so I'm someone different.

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>>379091329
>I'm counting the IPs
>there's one or two

wew lad

>>379091485
Not sure, but I think that at the earliest possible age.

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>>379091667
>it only takes like 2 hours tops

That's still too much. I'd rather grind. At least then I know what I'm working towards.

>like in the Metroid Prime series.
Please explain.

>>379083670
While not canon, there is a game called Radical Dreamers were in most of the stories Magus is disguised with as a man called Guile along with Kidd and the main character. Actually now that I think about it, you see the beginning of the game play out in Chronopolis, so maybe it IS canon.

>>379091887
>>like in the Metroid Prime series.
>Please explain.

in Metroid Prime 1 and 2 the final boss area is locked behind a door.

In Prime 1 - you need to get artifacts scattered across the game. At least you can pick those up along the way and you can get to the area with their location hints early on.

In Prime 2 you need to do the same thing for keys but the problem is that the item you need to get the keys an not be obtained until after the 80% mark of the game

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>tfw they cut the best dungeon with the best music out of the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94F6pNTS7Nw

>>379092395
It's in the DS version

>>379092504
>It's in the overall inferior version
Great

>>379092197
Backtracking =/= repeating yourself. Plus you're talking apples and oranges comparing an RPG to an exploration platformer.

>>379092504
Just the song. The dungeon itself looks amazing.

>>379092607
>Inferior

You don't even know what you're talking about, DS version is superior in every way for the added content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgQBKkAMQTE&t=642

>There will never be an RPG as good as Chrono Trigger again

Fuck, I'm late on replaying Chrono Trigger again.

Thanks for the reminder!

Mountains 're nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjj0uzAxUoU

If you played the inferior censored SNES version

YOU'RE A FAG

>>379092778
It fucks over the OST and sounds because the DS has a god-awful soundchip and the tie-in content with Cross wasn't needed because Cross is shit.
>b-b-but muh anime cutscenes!

>>379093012
>>379092778
Yeah, the only thing superior about the DS version is the localization. The rest can be done without.

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>>379093112
It's not even in the top 3 best games about time travel on the DS

Solid 4th spot though

>>379074572
I like the credits in that one with just Chrono and Marle soaring all over the world on the balloons. It's nice.

>>379091329
Then count another. Cross's story was a mess that should have never left the drawing phase. It's beyond shit.

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>>379092974
Oh no, we're missing out on heavy-handed """"""mature"""""" language in our comfy SNES JRPG. Where did we ever go so wrong.

>>379093012
The only instance of the sound being different that I remember is the final boss theme
which is actually pretty fucking unforgivable. that grimy synth was the best and they fucked it up

>>379093278
Still gotta play that game, it's in my collection. Thanks for reminding me anon.

>>379093278
>Radiant Historia
>good time travel story
?????

>>379093530
2nd is Explorers of Sky and 3rd I'll keep to myself because you were rude to RH

>>379093460
Every track sounds different and worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7PYi5b8jg SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0uXuqYKPZA DS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKrAKxzAXsk SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lS9UWTImfI DS

>>379093278
Please tell me what the top three are
And Radiant Historia was great but it certainly wasn't better than CT

>>379093627
You misunderstood me. The main story in RH is great per se but the time travel shenanigans in it don't make any sense. At least in CT they TRY to make sense. In Rh it's just a means to an end that Atlus completely fucked it up.

>>379076638
tell that to Kino who probably gets dominated by her every night. What a guy.

>>379092778
The new content can be divided into being either column A) unfun tedium or column B) shits all over the themes of Chrono Trigger in a way not even Cross did

If you ignore the new content CTDS works as a solid port with a better localization though TOSE keeps fucking up music in their SE ports

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>>379083906
>tfw you will never inseminate anything at all

>>379093879
When has time travel ever made sense? I do agree that the time travel is basically just there to show you a bunch of bad ends, which I'm in favor of because some of them were really goddamn amazing.

>>379076638
>AWOO NO TALK MORE, ME HEAD GO BOOM

The Reptite masterrace lost to this?

>>379092395
Well, they cut the best intro to the best music out of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YsAyO9oW00

>>379094256
What, that part actually exists? I saw them perform this song live once, I though they just made up an intro.

>>379094224
To be fair, they got wiped out by Lavos in any timeline, even before the Chrono gang intervened.

>>379094389
Apparently, it was supposed to be used specifically for the scene where Frog cuts the mountain in half to add a little oomph to the scene, but they never put the full version in the game. It is on the OST CD though so it is *technically* official.

>>379094928
Don't the Reptites become the dominant species if you kill Lavos at a certain point?

>>379095157
Judging by Chrono Trigger's plot, the only way that could happen is if Lavos is killed before it crashed on Earth. I don't know how Cross or CTDS explained it though.

>First Festival of Stars
>Epilogue ~ To Good Friends
>To Far Away Times

tfw merely the outro is better than the entire OST of other games

>>379094929
That would've been epic. Can't somebody just romhack CT to include that, and parts of the DS translation?

>>379095526
They have an anime cutscene now instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkWK-NEtmHk

>>379084487

The excuse is that he brought along all his magic super tech and so a single one of his soldiers could massacre towns alone.

>>379095921
But even that doesn't have the full theme, which is a missed opportunity. Cool cutscene though.

The intro is my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgk5cUGsz-U

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>>379078179
why is she so great

>>379091485
By going back in each era the Black Omen exists and defeating all of them from Future to Ice Age.

>>379096279
>Haha, I'm going to beat Black Omen in all eras and charm all Panels to receive 39 speed tabs
>All bosses respawn in past eras, except Panels
Dick move, Square, dick move.

Great, now Kattfag is ruining threads not even related to BoF2
Fuck off you piece of shit. I hope you fucking die.

Xenoblade Chronicles always felt like a spiritual successor to chrono trigger, being more active and more cartoony than contemporary RPGs.

>>379091329
count another you autistic retard, cross sucks.

>>379098370
that means the furry is a CC fanboy and will spam threads to shut down legit complaints against that abomination

>>379096968
kys kattfag

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>>379098581
>>379098715

>>379074875
Canon's important in plot speculation and meta discussion though.

and the furry spammer is gone

>>379098867
No nudity on blue boards, you walking argument to legalize abortions

>>379098897
So, in wasting time not playing the game. Glad we established that.

>>379083906
go outside right now and get to digging buddy, we can all do it if we want

Can't you just ask the mod to ban him already, jani?

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>>379092395
It's literally Laputa's theme

>>379099935
He's probably evading or something. Spammer would have to sit out the 15 minute jani mute even if mods were asleep, unless he's just evading.

I think Chrono Cross' take on the whole situation is how canon it gets;

All of them are canon.
Just depends on which timeline you look at.

>>379100918
its impossible for them to all be canon because the point of chrono cross is to fix THEE (singular) time line so there are no alternatives

Canon ending is Crono and Marle jump into a bucket and kill Lavos before meeting God.

I like how the thread is still sliding in spite of Kattfag's efforts.

>>379098581
>>379098715
Cross had the superior soundtrack, story, and cast you faggots. Only thing trigger has on CC is gameplay

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>>379102842
>Cross had the superior soundtrack
that I will agree with

>story
fuck. no. It's so far up it's own convoluted ass and shits on Trigger.

>cast
Oh boy, I sure like a cast of around 6 characters that get developed and 40ish characters that are just there. Quality (CT) > Quantity (CC)

>>379073828
Video game canon is a fabrication of the fans.

Who Chrono / Ayla / Marle?

>>379103247
Robo / Lucca / Frog

>>379103448

>>379086170
Zeal is easily the coolest part of trigger

Also chronic triggers story could be written by a blindcretard it's so simplistic and cliche even for 1994

>>379086954
>Kitase doesn't do character writing aside from "You like Kid because I said so."
I hated this. Why am I forced to be stuck with the girl I liked least?

>>379073828
Crono revived, Magus lives but loses his memories. Everyone gets killed by Dario, the comic fucking relief character. Basically the extended ending from the DS port and Chrono Cross. Magus is 100% Guille but he never comes to realize it because that was a cut storyline in Cross

>>379085752
What if i told you people think Cross is not only better than Trigger but one of the best rpgs ever?

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>>379103247
Crono / Lucca / Magus
Swap Magus with Marle or Frog before you can get him
But Lucca has to be there always

>>379103247
Crono / Ayla / Robo

Cross > Trigger

Trigger(ed) faggots are the worst in immediately shooting down everything Cross is.

>>379105215
because everything Cross stood for shits on Trigger

>>379104925
the saddest part that fucking yuroslime actually unaware of that character while we all played enough jrpgs

>>379105313
amen to that

>>379101770
what ending is that anyway

>>379105215
Because Cross is a pretty fucking bad RPG and one of Squares weakest on the PS1.
It's got incredible presentation thanks to its visuals, setting and music but everything else misses the mark.

>>379092778

Ruins the music. Fuck it.

>>379105556
I like the magic system.

>>379105263

Yet nothing changes in the end. Trigger isn't ruined or even changed through the events of Cross after it's over.

>>379105902

cross shouldnt fuck with perfect trigger, its spit in the face of a perfect game and the memory is gay because of such a shit game

>>379105854
yep

fake orchestrated music sounds like shit, i remember people praising z.r.e.o. (fake orchestrated zelda music) despite it being shit just because it existed

>>379106102
I don't even like cross but you guys always sound so whiny and childish in your complaints about it

It's hard to take you seriously

>>379092778
Sshhhh, you're not supposed to Trigger nostalgiafags.

>>379105901
I like the idea of it but in execution it kind of just amounted to pretty standard type weakness stuff. The game did a poor job taking advantage of its complexity.

Probably because they had to balance it around 40 characters.

>>379092778
My only gripe is that you can't view the original intro in the DS version.

>>379106102
>perfect trigger
>its spit in the face of a perfect game
>the memory is gay because of such a shit game (??????)
How are Chrono Trigger fans so rabidly single-minded and prone to calling the game perfect while unable to defend it with any objective measures? Chrono Trigger was just a comfy game, not especially good, but enjoyable nontheless.

>>379095427
>Ending 10: Dino Age
>Method: Use the right Telepod or bucket after fighting Magus, but before defeating Azala and the Black Tyranno.
>This ending means that you took Ayla with you to fight Lavos, and that Azala and the Reptites never died. This changes the entire timeline. The opening of the game is re-enacted—Crono attending the Millenial Fair, bumping into Marle, seeing Lucca—except that every human is now a Reptite, and the Green Ambler is now wearing a human disguise.
>Note: This reality seems to be acknowledged in Chrono Cross as the homeworld of Dinopolis and the Dragonians (descendents of the Repites) before they are pulled into the story's main reality by Chronopolis as a result of the Time Crash.

>do lost sanctum
>fight and beat nu prehistoric era
>he trains for aeons
>beat him in dark ages
>"why am i weak"?
>"you don't have friends"

Whoever wrote that or made this questline should have been fired.

>>379081062
Or, it could just be a twist the real name Kronos

worst part of Cross is Kid, desu

>>379107440
So true

Chrono Trigger is kind of a game its impossible to make a sequel to, without the sequel sucking. You can go the way with
>our heroes are searching for other Lavoses on other planets
but that would just be a repetition of the same story really
>a bigger, badder threat invades the earth and our heroes has to fight this one as well
which really just sort of makes Chrono Trigger redundant
>timeline jumping inside of just time jumping
which they did, and which just confuses the whole thing even more

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>>379107696
these 3D models creep me out

>>379105854
The PS1 version is worse about that. For the most part the DS version sounds fine.

>>379109402
kid a cute

>>379109565
not there, she just looks like a creepy potato in that shot

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>>379109643
>>379109402
Animu and 3D don't mix and retarded Jap devs still don't get it to this day

>>379108294
>our heroes are searching for other Lavoses on other planets

God that would've been cool as fuck. Imagine Lucca and Robo somehow modifying the Epoch for space travel, then going on some intergalactic adventure. Space exploration coupled with time travel.