>attach another person's arm in place of yours >there's

>>378969931
>didn't finish Metal Gear Solid 4
sage in the field

I dunno what you're talking about, he used nanomachines and self-hypnosis to assume Liquid's role :^)

>>378969931
stop fapping or change the hand sometimes

>>378969931
Didnt pay attention did you

>>378969931
Yeah it's the most retarded thing ever in both MGS2 and MGS4.

>>378969931
If you start to question any of the story of these shitty games, they fall apart and you realize Kojima is terrible. Better to just enjoy the ride

Literally nanomachines and hypnotherapy.

I preferred the supernatural explanation.

ocelot is the son of a spirit medium and inherited his dad's powers a little too well for his own good.

and then it was retconned into him just pretending.

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>>378969931
Reminder that /v/ pretends Tomokazu Fukushima was responsible for the good elements of MGS1 and MGS2 but not the bad elements just so the anti-Kojima circlejerk can stay strong.
Reminder that the game that he had the least influence on during his tenure at Konami, MGS3, was the best game in the series.

Didn't this happen on fate stay night too?

different arm in 4. in 2 it's actually liquid's arm and it's possessing him (father was a medium as shown in 3) and in 4 it's a cybernetic replacement as he saw the value in assuming liquid's identity.

this is one of the worst plot points in a series full of anime retardation

>>378970637
Mgs1 and mgs2 were leagues above mgs3, and mgs4, pw, and mgs5 aren't comparable to anything pre-mgs3.

sorry friend, kojima is a hack

>>378970637
MGS2 is kino
MGS3 is a flick

reminder that in mgs1 the writers confused recessive genetic traits for bad genetic traits

>>378971017
>I didn't finish the game, the post

>>378971017
They are so incompetent they blamed this mistake on Liquid Snake being
stupid.

>>378971017
tbf a lot of genetic disoriders are recissive

>>378970637
>mgs3
>the best in the series
>b-b-b-but muh feels muh boss muh bond references muh saturday morning cartoon muh kitsch sensibilities muh double agent triple twist
get some taste, VR soldier.

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>calls himself a weapon and a cat
>immitates cat noises
>has a raging hard on for big boss
>for no reason attaches another person's arm
>pretends to be someone else

Definition of an autist

>>378969931
his dad was a ghost so

>>378970178
This is actually a worse explanation than the arm thing

>>378971372
good point

>>378971407
>>b-b-b-but muh feels muh boss muh bond references muh saturday morning cartoon muh kitsch sensibilities muh double agent triple twist
are people aware of how retarded they look when they post like this?

>>378971526
>has a raging hard on for big boss
that doesn't have anything to do with autism
>for no reason attaches another person's arm
I'd do that too if it was possible and I was missing an arm

>>378970058
MERELY PRETENDING

>>378971886
are people aware of how uncultured and dumb they look when they claim that Snake Eater is the best MGS?
>b-b-b-but muh long stairway muh what a thrill muh remember the basics of cqc muh go home and be a family man oh no this mary sue died for her country le feeeeeeeels ;_;7

>>378971665
Nothing is worse than the arm thing.

>>378972298
What about the Meryl and Johnny romance subplot? Or Sunny who can't make a fucking pan of eggs?

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>MGS2
>Cam Clarke takes over as voice actor when Liquid "possesses" Ocelot

>MGS4
>Ocelot just doesn't bother trying to even sound like Liquid

>>378972419
>making a big fuss about a couple of silly things put there for the sake of being silly.
>comparing to that to one of the worst sub plot line ever made.
That's what I call meme hate for memesters, turning something inoffensive into a big deal for the sake of shitposting of the internet.

>>378969931
Nanomachines son

>>378972107
Could you not type like a woman so that people can take you seriously?

>>378972908
>my favorite MGS character is a literal mary sue with no personality other than being le badass warrior woman xD
try not having infantile sensibilities and I might talk to you as if you were an adult

>>378973028
>I am unable to read
Alright

>>378970058
>>378972101
Ocelot was really possessed by Liquid in MGS2.

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>>378973106
>his favorite MGS actually is 3
what a thrill

>>378971372
That explains your terrible English.

>>378972298
Nothing is worse than the Meryl/Johnny fight scene

ftfy

>>378969931
Ocelot's father was the Sorrow, and so far his powers as a spirit medium seem to be the only legitimate supernatural ability in the series. It's not too much of a stretch to say that some lingering part of his father's ability allowed Liquid's spirit to have some influence on Ocelot.

>>378973028
Lady I don't know what your problem is, but people are trying to have a conversation about video games here. Take your menstruation and please go.

>>378969931
That's the true meaning of phantom pain.
It's not remembering the pain of your previous limbs, it's inherenting the ghosts of your new ones.

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>>378969931
Okay alot of people say that Ocelot was MERELY PRETENDING the whole time, but I was always under the impression that he was actually possessed by Liquid in 2, then was fine when he got the arm removed and replaced it with the robot arm between 2 and 4. Then he did the hypnotherapy thing and only THOUGHT he was Liquid in 4. I only beat MGS4 once though, was there something in it that I'm forgetting that says otherwise?

>>378973132
It was legit in MGS2, just not in MGS4

>>378973485
You're right, anyone who says otherwise is either retarded, didn't really play MGS4, or is just memeing.

>>378973437
my problem are plebs like you.
Kojima did something truly special with MGS2 but all you dumbfucks hated it because it made your tiny brain hurt.
Then Kojima did the single most condescending piece of fanservice anyone could come up with and guess what happened, you brainlets lapped it up and not only that, you consider it to be the best MGS, that's simply insulting.
Kill yourselves MGS3 fanboys, I hate you so goddamn much.

>>378971407
it's objectively the best in the series tho

>>378974262
No.

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>Survives getting shot down and his helicopter exploding unharmed, without using the parachute.
>Tanks 20 stinger missiles to the face, protecting Rex's cockpit for future use.
>Gets beaten up and knocked off of Rex, a fall that always kills Snake.
>Chases Snake in a jeep shortly afterwards and gets pumped full of lead.
>Crashes but survives and would have finished Snake off if not for a disease dedicated to killing him finally kicking in
>Uses his arm to possess Ocelot and haunt Snake from beyond the grave.
>Even when Ocelot gets rid of the arm, the Idea of Liquid, the meme he embodies, is so powerful that Ocelot is convinced to use nanomachines and hypnosis to full time larp as Liquid to take over the world.

So this is the power of Big Boss's dominant genes...

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Creation of multiple personalities is very real and possible, Hollywood does it all the time.

>>378974421
>to take over the world.
That wasn't the point though.

>>378973813
>Kojima did something truly special with MGS2
yeah that's nice, but he made a superior game with mgs3. you want to wank over and the hamfisted, entry level attempts of philosphy in mgs2 then go ahead but the gameplay is not as deep and does not hold up as well as 3.

>>378973485
Thats pretty fucking shitty if that was true

>Build up tons of foreshadowing and build up regarding The Sorrow
>Made a successful composite of 2 of the main antagonists
>Have people think Liquid is back
>lol nope, Liquid dies again offscreen and Ocelot pretends to be him


I can't tell if this is all to make Solid Snake more out of the loops, or a shitty excuse for shitty writing. Probably both.

>>378973132
>>378973506
prove it retards

>>378974796
>gameplay is not as deep you see, this game has menus
A single clearing process in MGS2 has more challenge and a more sophisticated AI than anything you do in MGS3

>>378974937
>A single clearing process in MGS2 has more challenge and a more sophisticated AI than anything you do in MGS3
yeah, go ahead and stop posting any time now

>>378975036
>hurr delet this
thanks for trying, keep overrating your menu based bond movie
>camo menu
>cure menu
>depth
loving every laugh

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>yfw you realize Liquid being exactly 1cm taller than Snake in MGS1 (182cm and 183cm) was Kojimbo foreshadowing that he was actually the dominant clone

>>378974882
Fuck you and you're a dickhead

>>378974882
The Database that came with MGS4 mentioned that Ocelot was indeed possessed by Liquid diring the Tanker incident because Ocelot is The Sorrow's son. But following the Tanker, Ocelot and Solidus went to France where they got his arm replaced with a cybernetic one, and he was merely pretending during the Big Shell.
I know people will argue the Database was bullshit and noncanon, but its the only explanation we have and will ever get.

>>378974860
>Liquid dies again offscreen
A ghost can't die, retard.

>tfw Kojima just coppied Liquid Ocelot's story and gave it to Venom Snake

>get a robot arm
>pretend to be someone youre not
>control a massive army
>lololo nanomachines(parasites)
>get killed by Solid Snake

>>378972698
He doesnt have Liquids arm anymore in MGS4, its a fully biotech arm.
He really was possessed in MGS2 because he is the son of The Sorrow, who had an affinity supernatural shit and for contacting spirits.

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>>378969931
Holy shit! It's a Claymore reference!

>>378974882
It was a ruse from the get-go as stated by Big Boss in MGS4. Sometime after the events of Shadow Moses Ocelot grafted the arm of Liquid Snake onto his body and began the hypnotherapy and nanomachines in order to overlap Liquid's personality onto his.

It worked, but it worked too well and the overpowering personality of Liquid drove Ocelot to become Liquid Ocelot and it got out of control whenever Solid Snake was present causing Ocelot to kind of lose himself and Liquid to take over. That's why he has all these episodes in MGS2, its Liquid taking over his mind when all Ocelot was trying to do was make himself think he is in fact Liquid Snake.

Sometime after MGS2 Ocelot decided to have the arm removed and instead have a cybernetic arm implanted. This sort of brought a balance of Ocelot thinking he's Liquid while not being overtaken by the personality so he still retains himself if that makes sense.

In MGS4 Big Boss reveals that it was in fact a ruse just to get the Patriots to lower their guard. After all they dealt with the original Liquid Snake at Shadow Moses, what harm could Ocelot be implanting Liquid's personality into his own?

It worked out as Ocelot was able to use the DNA of Solidus Snake, who was in fact the perfect clone of Big Boss, to hijack the Sons of Patriots system and take down the Patriots control restoring Big Boss as Ocelot died from the new strain of FoxDie.

>>378975831
Yeah but her other half loved her like a daughter and was broken OP.

>>378975507
Its still a retarded send off to a character everyone thinks is "alive"

>>378969931
that he and his games are retarded.

>>378973028
Truly shows that only women like MGS2. Probably because of Raiden

>>378976232
Kill yourself.

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>>378969931
How do we know that was the actual Big Boss at the end of MGS4 and not the MGS5 'Boss'?

>>378976232
Ironic that The Boss is female and fully understood her duty and honor, yet actual women dont understand the concept.

>>378976383
The timeline at the end of MGSV, dumbass. It said Venom Snake was the "Big Boss" in MG1 and thats where he died.

>>378976383
big medic died in MG1

>>378976484
>muh mary sueeeeee died for her le country muh feeeeeeeeeeeeeels ;_;7
back to reddit with you

>>378976268
Oh my, did I hurt your feelings, lady?

>>378975982
But Irene's arm also sorta starts to "takes over" at times, just in order to help Clare instead.
It's still scary how similar it is.

>>378976732
Why does The Boss make you so angry?

>>378976732
back to tumblr missy

>>378976871
shittiest character in the entire MGS franchise and retroactively ruined the lore forever.

>>378971197
>Liquid
>Smart
>So butthurt that Solid got more attention that he wanted to tear the world apart

>>378976945
>my opinions make me angry

>>378976810
Clare's power was megamanning. But everything she megamanned cared about her. They just want to help her weak ass win by giving her super powers.

>>378977157
>threatens to nuke the world because daddy paid more attention to his brother than him
What a bitch.

>>378977204
>muh boss will
>she meant this
>no Big Boss, she meant other thing
>WTF I hate Zero now????
>WTF I hate Big Boss now????

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>>378976871
Have to be so rude?

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>>378970637
>Reminder that the game that he had the most influence on during his tenure at Konami, MGS Ghost Babel, is the best game in the series.

ftfy

>>378977360
Dearie, I know you're confused but you have to try and calm down, you might hurt yourself

>>378970795
I'll never understand why people circlejerk MGS2 so much these days. I remember it being so hated when it first came out.

>>378970637
He actually works for Sony Computer Entertainment now. Wonder if he will be reunited with Kojima.

>>378977569
That's just because people were butthurt due to "not my Snake"

>>378977569
as more time passes the more relevant it is, this happens with all great works of art throughout history and MGS2 is no exception.

>>378977360
>Big Boss and Zero
>Not Big Boss and Ocelot

I think its less The Boss sucks, but more that Kojima can't write Zero to a proper antagonist. Kojima was kinda forced because PO made Zero a major player in The Patriots, and didn't have time to flesh it out for other spin offs.

>>378969931
He's a shitty writer, shat do you expect?

>>378977673
You couldn't think of an answer that sounded more pretentious while at the same time saying nothing of note. Bravo

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>>378976595

>>378977776
>pretentious
my post is what it is, nothing more, nothing less, you should learn the meaning of the words you use.

>>378970637
Reminder that he was murdered over gambling debts owed to the yakuza

>>378969931
Kojima regretted killing Liquid in MGS1

>>378977904
I'll retract my statement then

>>378970178
>>378971665
>>378972298
I thought at first it was the arm thing in MGS2 since he was the son of The Sorrow which made him sensitive to paranormal stuff but then it got replaced with a prosthetic by MGS4

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>>378975618
>in the right conditions, anyone can be turned into a Solid Snake
>who is really just a copy of Big Boss
Ocelot and Zero perfected their super soldier conditioning methods by MGS4.

Paging caramel, you're needed now

>>378969931
>it's an mgs fans are so triggered that ghosts, vampires and psychics exist in that world that Kojima has to retcon it all years later to shut them up

reminder Ocelots dad was a psychic ghost

>>378979595
Why? To copypaste the same stuff all over again like he's been doing these months?
Has he ever contributed something actually useful?

>>378970393
it's a ghost in 2, regardless of retcons that's the original intent

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>>378970637
>stop writing the series after 3
>series immediately turns to shit

>>378969931
whenever Ocelot masturbaited, was it actually a handjob by liquid?

really makes you think ...

>>378969931
I like metal gear and its "omg my god it's supernatural" quickly followed by "shut the fuck up, it's science"
reminder that snake is afraid of ghosts and zombies

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>>378980081
I'm spreading the truth to the unaware.

>>378977902
Retcon until Kojimbo confirms he wanted Solid Snake to know that Big Boss was alive. Would seem strange to kill his fall-guy decoy but then declare that he was still alive afterwards.

The series was ruined when Kojima made The Boss the focus of the MGS universe

>>378981032
There are supernatural things though. Fortune reflecting the rockets from Metal Gear Ray after her device had been removed by Ocelot, and The Sorrow are never explained through science.

>>378981034
HERE WE GO

What was Kojima thinking with the long takes in MGSV, awful cinematography and ruined the narrative flow

>>378981034
You could try and post new things, it's always the same with you. Anyone that was interested in your truth already knows it by now

>>378971526
stop bullying my twink

>>378981303
The thing with Fortune is just residual electromagnetism from the device, The Sorrow is legit supernatural though along with Psycho Mantis and Vulcan Raven

>>378970795
MGS2 had a great message and all that but I just had more fun with 3

>>378981363
He saw some movie with long takes and decided to copy it even though the value of a long take is completely lost in video game. Same reason he does anything.

>>378981634
I think while he was making MGSV he saw Birdman and Fury Road, pointed at the screen and was like "i like this now, i'm going to copy it"

>>378975256
the MGS4 database isn't even internally consistent, you shouldn't take anything it has to say seriously

>>378981774
He saw Drive as well, which is why Keifer barely talks in the game. It isnt because he is Venom Snake, he had all of Big Boss's memories, there would be no reason for him to not know what to say in situations.

>>378974796
>entry level philosophy

It's funny how everyone becomes philosophy experts whenever mgs2 is brought up

>>378981774
Fury Road is like the opposite of a long take, average take length in MMFR is like two seconds.

>>378981774
Fury Road came out 3 months before MGSV. It was ALWAYS the intention to have Venom be a silent(ish) protagonist

>>378975256
This makes sense since you hear Liquid's voice in MGS2

>>378981948
It isn't difficult to be an expert compared to Solid 2's level

Seriously now, is there any philosophy that isn't "entry-level"?

>>378981138
The original plan was to kill Solid Snake. Big Boss didn't expect Venom to frickin die in Outer Heaven

>>378982036
Kojima specifically said Max being a near silent protagonist was an influence, Kiefer recorded a lot of dialogue that was removed after Kojima saw Fury road

>>378982372
>makes pretentious vague broad statement
>his knowledge gets questioned
>makes even more vague broad statements
every time

>>378982387
No, the plan wasn't to kill Solid, but to have him leak vague information about Metal Gear in the West and cause panic

>>378972080

Wouldn't you attach your own, though?
There's no good reason Liquid's arm would be better-preserved than Ocelot's. Both had Alaskan low temperature going for them

He just really wanted to have a bit of Big Boss on him

MGS2 is not deep. There is 1 dialogue piece about creating context out of content. 2 minutes in a 12 hour game. Bravo Kojima!!!

>>378982507
Sorry? I'm not the Anon he was talking to, and the first line was meant as a joke

>>378971579
underrated ghost post

>>378982040
>it's almost like Kojima was so indecisive during production (that fucking story about the other composer jesus christ) that he ran out of time and the game was released unfinished

why didnt liquid use the sahelanthropus?

What will Caramel say if no Silent Hills by TGS?

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>>378969931
>videogames have absolutely stupid and retarded stories that make capeshit plots look like like something out of an arthouse film
What a fucking surprise.

>>378982681
>MGS2 is not deep because of dialogue
well no, its depth is given by its structure and how it's a back and forth conversation with the first game, but of course that the AI speech that confirms this recontextualization of the Snake mythos has something to do with that depth.

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>>378982681
>Fight Metal gear
>20 minutes of cutscenes
>All the characters reveal they are rusing each other
>Reveals the S3 plan
>No, it was a ruse, S3 is something else, forget what we said.
>Cliffhanger with Liquid
>Final Boss
>Game tells you to not mind the stupid shit that went on and focus on what the "point" is.
>10/10 by video game standards

>>378978859
That's literally it but Kojima went full retard with MGS4 and forgot several plotlines

>>378982595
That was part of the plan as well but BB hated Zero for cloning him and hated his clones. He didn't want them. Unfortunately for him, Solid Snake was the perfect soldier.

>>378973485
fuck this thread and fuck caramel but i gotta say i have always loved this image its super thanks for posting it anon peace

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>It was all a Prank Snake!
>I was only pretending to be possessed by your Brothers Arm so you would fight the Patriots!
>Look at the Cameras!

The only thing that Kojima could've done that is actually more retarded than Ocelot actually being posessed.

MGS4 was bad.

>>378983010
No
Videogames have, if anything, rpgs which in a way have tried to establish a standard of believability and quality in stories and plots.
Now shut the fuck up, its not even remotely similar to capeshit.

>>378983047
So it just does the shit the first game did like every other sequel.

BUT IT ADMITS IT!

Thats some deep shit bro

>>378983249
>put 4 films worth of footage into a game including a 75 minute ending cutscene so you an wrap up the series for good
>go on to make three more of them

Is Kojima actually retarded?

>>378976945
Fuck off misogynist.

>>378982680
That...that actually makes perfect sense.

>tfw you graft the arm of your gay lover's son onto yourself just so you can feel him once more

>>378983335
you just accidentally the whole sentence

>>378983335
Videogames have talentless hacks like Kojima ripping off countless plot points from other media and clunkuly putting something together that doesn't make a goddamn sense.
These stories not making sense make autismos think they are deep.

Storytelling in videogames will always be a big, fat joke.

>>378983382
You sound upset, that definitely holds some depth, it denies the visceral payoff of the previous game and its climax is mostly conceptual, making for a more satisfying payoff if you're not a brainlet playing to feel like an action hero.

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>>378983335
>Now shut the fuck up, its not even remotely similar to capeshit.

I hope you don't seriously believe that.

This shit is as bad as those shitty Alien and Temenator sequels.

>>378983685
I get it, its just fucking stupid

>making for a more satisfying payoff if you're not a brainlet playing to feel like an action hero.

Nice meme

the world and canon of mgs was at it's best during mgs2, mgs3 and it's retcons started the downfall

>>378971526
You forgot

>enjoys spinning things

>>378983935
>its just fucking stupid
because you say so, gotcha.
what would have been fucking stupid is making a sequel that was more of the same to please dumb people when you're a pacifist.
Oh wait they did it, it was called Metal Gear Solid 3, and you dumb faggots praised it to hell and back.

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>>378984292
And you're the one claiming some entry level video game is deep art. lol take an actual arts class instead.

You are worshiping a story based on a book Kojima read once without actually knowing what its about.

>>378984784
>entry level=bad
what a simpleton
>take an actual art class instead
same to you, maybe you'll see MGS2 for what it is if you do
>you are worshiping(sic) a story based on a book
what book?

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>>378985020
>what book
Do you even know anything about the game you're defending?

>>378985186
I do know quite a bit about it.
Say the name of the book now or stop posting, this is inane and no reaction face in the world will help you now.

>>378969931
fapping ruins your life

>>378985186
The name of the book is Kangaroo Notebook, I'll help you with that, now explain how he didn't get it.

>>378982387
>>378981138
Venom Snake doesn't exist, retards.

>>378985330
City of Glass, retard

Literally nanomachines

>>378983735
My dude if youre going to generalize and pretend you're not doing anything wrong then im going to say movies and literature have plots just as bad if not worse than capeshit, hell half of all movies nowadays are capeshit anyway.

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nobody posted this from the mgs2 graphic novel?

>>378971526
Why didn't he just use a robot hand like venom?

>>378983951
>mgs3 and it's retcons
AFAIK MGS3 didn't directly retcon anything. Tell me of those retcons

>>378988574
holy shit this is a great panel
too bad we didn't get anything like this in the games

Let me get one thing straight, since it's been a while since I last touched a MGS game:
So basically MGS4 retconned all supernatural characters with nano machines?

>>378969931
What stopped the Patriot AI from merely labeling this guy autistic? He still was still always Ocelot genetically. Why would an AI believe this mumbo jumbo shit?

>>378989725

The way it seems to have gone is... Back when MGS2 came out, the Sorrow hadn't been written into the story yet. During MGS3's development they came up with the idea of Ocelot's dad being a psychic and hinted at it.

Then the MGS2 graphic novel came out after that, with a scene showing Liquid, Ocelot and Sorrow all inhabiting Ocelot's mind together.

>>378969931
>ococat is young in mgs3
>snake is 40
>ococat is old in mgs2
>snake is 40

the arm is your problem?

>>378969931

Why, out of all the hands to use, would he use Liquid's? This was never addressed.

>>378989843
Nope, it retconned into nanomachines all but Psycho Mantis and the MGS3 team, the later of which was later retconned in V to be not-nanomachines, but before that they were legit

I think right now only Mantis, Volgin and The Sorrow are

>>378989604
wew lad, did you know BB used to be a WWII veteran?

>>378978386

What, he's dead?

>>378990069

Kojima regretted killing off Liquid so early so decided to squeeze him back in the most retarded way possible.

>>378990069
If you were going to graft an arm on, why WOULDNT you use a genetic super soldier's

Why was Mantis as a child able to control a Metal Gear then when he's an adult he struggles to move a chair?

>>378990308
If he was so great, then why he dead?

>>378990132
That? Yeah, BB's old biography is pretty much non-existent, he also isn't second generation Japanese and suffered racism

>>378990317
He got a better gas mask

>>378990682
Exactly mgs3 retconned everything before mgs1 until Kojima decided he liked the 8bit games again

>>378990214
Why didn't Kojima just make it so that Liquid faked his FOXDIE death? It's not like his death in Mgs1 was him getting his head blown off, or something else that would have made him surviving impossible.

>>378990069
to steal his genes and memes obv

>>378991047
He left Solid alive...for a prank.
When will Kojima retcon into this?

>>378990940
That's true, but I was expecting something along the lines of retconning actual events in the previous games, BB's bio is more of a background thing

And I'm not sure how much he likes the old Metal Gears, at least MG1. He talked so much about having to redo its story it's probably like PO in the canon. The overall story happened but not the details

>>378973132
only because he's got latent necromancy from his father, The Sorrow

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>>378992492
>tfw DS is actually MG:Survive in disguise

>>378983165
Come on Anon, it's a lot of fun.