How did Fire Emblem go from a foot in the grave to one of Nintendo's

Waifus

By starting to make good games

>>378950358

>Treehouse version
>Waifus

lmao

>>378950305
What this >>378950358 faggot said and catering to shippers by letting units be married and have children.

>>378950305

By pandering to NTR and cuckolds.

>>378950358
More being able to romance waifus.

>>378950358
Fpbp

>>378950305
with whoress like yours op

>>378951000
no

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>>378950358
the old games had better waifus though

>>378951505
yes

>>378950305
waifus

>>378950358
This. It showed casuals what it meant to have a waifu, and now they all go crazy about the slightest idea of characters you can romance.

>>378951964

But did it allow your thinly-veiled self-insert to romance them?

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Poor localization

>>378951964
>Limstella
>she

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>>378950305
Awakening. And it enrages the obese neckbeards like nothing else.

>WAAAAAAAAAAAH I CAN STILL PLAY THE OLD GAMES, BUT I'M GOING TO THROW A TANTRUM THAT THESE GAMES I COULD EASILY AVOID CAME OUT

>>378959236
>competition swimsuit
muh fetish

Waifus and Casual Mode (I love that they call it fucking causal).

Also, as there isn't another FE thread I'll ask here: does Echoes explain the menus better down the line? I got an Iron Sword and gave it to Tobin to hold and now he has two sword icons with question marks instead of "Sword." I am wondering what this is?

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>>378950305
Why does Awakening get so much flak for marriage and children when Genealogy did it first? Is it all just because of being able to name an avatar unit?

>>378960041
If he uses it for long enough (not sure the actual criteria) those sword icons will unlock as Arts, which are like special skills he can use when equipped with that weapon.

>>378960041
I always knew FE12 was a problem game with it's self inserts and Casual mode.
Fuck you Marth.

>>378958945
DEELT THIS

>>378950305
The Perma death feature from one of the games is what got me interrested.

>>378960386
Geneaology implemented marriage and children better. Instead of having some bullshit time travel plot, you play as the kids after a time skip once an important event occurs in the story.

>>378960618
>No New Mystery of the Emblem in America ever

>>378960386
Thanks

>>378960880
Permadeath was synonymous with the series until FE12 and since then it's just been getting shelved harder and harder with things like Phoenix Mode and Mila's Turnwheel. I dread the day when games start being designed around using casual mode and things such as "replacement units" stop being taken into consideration.

>>378959236
But Awakening is a good FE game, only Fates was shit almost the time, but at least Conquest had good maps, new classes and Camilla.

>>378961164
Ive worried about this as well.

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>>378961164
Don't worry about Mila's Turnwheel, it was only added as a lazy solution to some of Gaiden's more unfair moments the developers were too lazy to balance.

>>378961624
Dude, come the fuck on. If you're going to admit Awakening was fine, just go ahead and say Fates is too, if not better.

The characters are fine, the music is much improved, the gameplay is much improved in every version, and the story's all over the place (no one ever gives a shit that Birthright's is 100% on par with the others).

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>>378950358

This

>>378961136
Can Nintendo even release a Japanese-only game that has already been translated?

>>378961164
They've had mid-battle saves in multiple games already, and revival in FE1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 12. Having an easy mode option that doesn't make the game an actual joke seems perfectly fine.

>>378957463
I unironically like this,

>>378962184
>heard she was a terrible character
>marry her in Conquest
>she's actually cute and funny

>>378961947
Yep, it was probably the stupid story and "muh brother" pandering that made me hate the game, but the rest was good.

I liked Awakening more because you had more freedom to battle against random armies from another games and ignore a little the plot missions.

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>>378962438

>>378959236
Why is Tharja always portrayed as a horny sexpot when really she's a shy goth NEET who 'practices' being normal to get your cock?

GothNEET Tharja was waaaaaaayyyy more hot when I discovered the truth. Literally the kind of woman I'd kill for in my life

>>378963267
Because she looks like a horny sexpot so people portray her as such. Being obsessed with you can't be helping her case either.

>>378963267
Probably because of faggots who haven't played the game
I see you are a man of good taste as well.

>tfw I'm autistic for wanting to 100% the support log
>tfw I have to do Kana's paralogue about 43 times to 100% femCorrin's support log

>>378963267
>has a job
>NEET
are you fucking retarded?

>>378964242
Dude, she's basically Tomoko with a spellbook. You wouldn't class her as a neet?

>>378964365
Put me in the screencap

>>378964365
>NEET
>Not [in] Education, Employment, [or] Training

Tomoko isn't a NEET either, stop using terms you don't know, etc.

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(1/2)
Fire Emblem has ALWAYS been about the characters and their relationships. There are tons of other strategy RPGs out there, but Fire Emblem had cool stories and interesting characters that interacted with each other on a level that made them more interesting. FE games started to decline in popularity because of the gamecube games' support system, and the long time between releases that also had poor marketing. The story was neat, but supports were implemented in the most retarded way and very few players really used them. Then Shadow Dragon came out and didn't have ANY supports at all. Sure, the original didn't either, but no one really gave a fuck about the original either. Pretty much everyone hated Shadow Dragon because there were tons of characters, and most only had as much characterization as being "warrior from X location".

The series started its revival with, although unreleased in the west, Heroes of Light and Shadow (FE12, another remake). This time around, there was a new self-insert protagonist. The story still revolved around Marth, but the new character added a new popular spin on it. Additionally, there were finally actual support conversations again. Almost all the characters were in Shadow Dragon, which everyone hated, but people loved this new game. Why? Because suddenly they were more than flat one-off plot devices. They felt more like real people that had detailed interconnected relationships. Pic related.

When Awakening hit the west, it kicked all of this up a notch. Almost every character could support with a wide variety of other characters, to the point of marriage. Unfortunately, a lot of fans disliked this because it meant that there weren't those couples destined to be together, no long-lost brothers, or really any of the "secret" relationships that fans had come to expect in support conversations. Everyone had to kind of be a blank slate so that they could potentially marry anyone, or be the child of anyone.

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>Awakening/Fates thread going strong
>Echoes thread dies in less than a dozen posts

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>>378965015
(2/2)
Fates was very unpopular with the same group that disliked Awakening because it did all the same things, but in an even heavier-handed way. There were marriages and adult children, but now there was no real explanation beyond an extremely contrived alternate dimension for raising children. There were still a few characters that had interesting pasts, but again, almost all the characters had a degree of blank-slate syndrome. This only got compounded by the fact that the main character was now the self-insert, and could marry anyone, but could not be controlled in any meaningful plot-relevant way. The game felt frustrating to many because most conversations boiled down to how much everyone loved the self-insert, and how the MC was destined to choose between half his/her family. And yet, the player, who was given free agency in almost every other aspect of this character, was completely railroaded into a story based on a comedy of errors. That type of irony only works when the audience has no means of communicating with the players. In Fates, the player has plenty of means to communicate and act in the world they want to save, but all of these means are ineffectual.

It was never about waifus. It was never about the gameplay. It was always about discovering the connections between the colorful cast of characters.

>>378964080
Couldn't you just grind all the males up to level A supports with S ready to go and make saves off of that?

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>>378965123
>It was never about the gameplay

>>378961801
As casual as it is I actually liked Mila's turnwheel more for the fact that it actually gave me a reet everytime I accidentally moved a unit somewhere I didnt want to

>>378965123
>it was never about the gameplay

I don't know, man, the last third of Conquest was pretty fucking stellar.

>>378965285
>>378965437
Fire Emblem has always had shitty gameplay compared to most other strategy RPGs. All most people ever do is dump EXP into two or three units and use them to solo all the maps.

>>378965015
>Unfortunately, a lot of fans disliked this because it meant that there weren't those couples destined to be together, no long-lost brothers, or really any of the "secret" relationships that fans had come to expect in support conversations. Everyone had to kind of be a blank slate so that they could potentially marry anyone, or be the child of anyone.

I can understand the Avatar being able to support everyone, but FE switch really needs to cut down on everyone supporting everyone and instead limit it to maybe 3-4 supports per character so the writers can do more things within that support.

>>378965547
I don't know if you're equivocating how people choose to play with the quality of the game, cause that's pretty stupid. Are the games also not fun because Casual mode exists? It's all optional on how you choose to play. Making a diverse army that can handle all types of units is the most fun way (in my opinion) to go through the games.

>>378965698
The gameplay is not why Fire Emblem is popular. Arguing about whether a game is "good" or not is indeed stupid because that's completely subjective. Sale figures clearly indicate the games' popularity though, and it's possible to theorize why certain games were popular while others were not. Do you really think that the minute differences in game mechanics are what made Shadow Dragon sell like shit while Awakening was insanely popular?

>>378965015

For me the issue was that the games were never released in the west like they were in japan.

When are we getting Roy's game again? Oh right inb4 EMULATE IT ANON. I want to support these fucks but they wont let me.

>>378966485
>>When are we getting Roy's game again? Oh right inb4 EMULATE IT ANON. I want to support these fucks but they wont let me.

I'm thinking we will see a 6/7 remake sometime after FE switch just because IntSys can easily make it match up to what the newer fans are expecting from a Fire Emblem game.

>>378965547
speak for yourself dumbass. I play FE for the gameplay. I've tried other TBS and I can't stomach them. The maps are shit, combat is incredibly slow with a unit-by-unit turn basis and generally low damage, and grinding is flat-out encouraged. FFT, TO, etc. I couldn't finish them.

So shut the fuck up when you say nobody plays FE for the gameplay

>>378966762
>I'm thinking we will see a 6/7 remake sometime after FE switch just because IntSys can easily make it match up to what the newer fans are expecting from a Fire Emblem game.

I hope so. Like the extra content after such a long wait. Already spent around $400 on FEH.

>>378963267
It's almost as if people only care for her physical appearance and avoid her horrible personality.

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>>378967063
>spending $400 on mobileshit

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Fucking cucks lmao

>>378965547
>Fire Emblem has always had shitty gameplay compared to most other strategy RPGs

compared to Disgaea, FFT, FFTA, and TO it doesn't really matter. Since FE is literally its own game.

Neither Disgaea nor FFT/TO has the mechanics FE has.

Disgaea is simply about gaining retardedly absurd amounts of power via weapon grinding and then abusing the system it has in place. Aside from that it has unique cinematic special moves that helps draw in the edgelords that like flashy animation. (I speak for myself)

As for Tactics Ogre and Final Fantasy it's mainly more about the classes. Samurai, Ninja, Summoner, etc. Though Square-Enix take doesn't really care for balance as long as you grind well and take care of your units progress and weaponry you can expect to overpower your enemies.

Unlike those approaches Fire Emblem simply tries to keep an overall balance and then the abuse stems from the user really going out of his way to do so. Such as Colosseum abuse in the early games or DLC abuse of EXP/Money.

Regardless Fire Emblem has something those games don't and that's the way difficult is approached.

I can name other S-RPGs but my point stands. Unless there's a literal replica of Fire Emblem that exists today there's no point in comparing them.

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>>378950305
Pandering to otaku sensibilities
Fine by me, the games themselves are still pretty solid. Awakening was still fine aswell, IMO Fates was the point where it got insultinly bad with the otaku-shit, but at least Echoes hit the reset button on that, so maybe they're already confident enough to dial it back for future installations

>>378967229
>spending $400 on mobileshit

Its honestly the reason why I prefer to stick away from mobile games because they nothing but cashgrabs.

Youtubers spend way more than I do. They broke the $1k mark within the first month.

I've basically accumulated that over time by spending $25 per paycheck and only dropping about $75 for the timed events.

Regardless what I spend is what I'm willing to spend. Hopefully IS will stop fucking with us and give us something.

Yet I'm not expecting anything spectacular from the Swith FE since they disappointed with FExSMT. Only Warriors has my attention atm.

>>378950453
Marriage isn't a new thing, it's purely the waifushit

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>>378962184
My nigga

I just wish they'd drop the fucking MU/avatar/whatever, all four times they've tried it so far it's been either incredibly patronizing or immersion-ruining

>>378969803
>I just wish they'd drop the fucking MU/avatar/whatever, all four times they've tried it so far it's been either incredibly patronizing or immersion-ruining

I like it. Since It reminds me of Mark or whatever the fuck they called it back in the old games.

The only thing I don't like is them giving them such major story roles like in FATEs and unique classes & weapons like Tactician and Yato.

Which is my major complain. Overall I hate it when only selected classes get these absurd weapons and other classes get screwed over.

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>>378950305
Filthy Casual Mode.

>>378951964
>nergal creates his perfect waifu
>no benis
>no bagina
What did he mean by this?

>>378963267
I'm convinced there two guys working on her; one who had the idea that she's this grumpy goth girl who's trying too hard and is actually a nice girl, and another who had the idea that she's a Robin obsessed sexpot.

>>378950305
https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/fire-emblem-awakening-nintendo-dream-first-year-anniversary-developer-interview-june-2013/

This is a good interview to read; there's conflict in IS too

>>378950305
The 3DS, anime-aesthetic, and no-difficulty of FE13 brought in the casual fanbase.

>>378972585
>Anime-aesthetic
Was pretty much always a thing with the series.

yfw Faye's ending in Echoes

>>378970891
Dude
Use the Turnwheel
lmao

Or just fucking reset, do these morons actually do ironman runs because they don't know about soft reset?

>>378960386
2popular4me

>>378972956
Never to the degree it is in FE13.

>>378961164
>whoa reload

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>>378963267
canon 20/10 body

>>378965015
Are you kidding me? Awakening had more secret relationships and backstory to their characters than any other game in the series. Things that you legitimately didn't know about between characters from their past, not just something like the Greil Mercenaries having known each other for a long time.

>>378969007
I've spent about $40/week..

>>378973558
>let's reduce her tits but it's okay because her bare feet are visible

Tharja >>> Rhajat

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>>378973314
That was my first thought, but apparently the wheel isn't enough. I think this guy just wants Phoenix Mode back.

>>378950358
First post, best post. As always.

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>>378969598

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>>378974037
Turnwheel can't save you if you get assaulted by an enemy on the map screen, for example.

>>378974236

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>>378950358
It would be a shame if something happened to them.

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They need to make an open world BOTW/Witcher/Elder Scrolls styled Fire Emblem game

>>378974037
It has limited uses but they replenish after every fight. Do you suck so much that you need to rewind turns over five times? If so, you deserve to play Casual.

>>378974783
Could be neat, especially if you used a really large map that your army can explore and fight in without needing map changes and transitions.

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I like this series but lately after playing Echoes and some of the older games again I realize they're so stressful to the point where I question if I'm having fun.

I guess finishing a map gives me a rush and relief like nothing else though.

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>>378975813
>One of the few decently written characters in fates
>In the game where Mages are ass and almost every tome with >7 mt have nasty drawbacks

>>378976114
witches are overpowered though

>>378976114
Just reclass her.

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Play FE4 now or wait and hope for it to be the next remake? The mechanics through the first map seem alright.

>>378960386
>Why does Awakening get so much flak for marriage and children when Genealogy did it first? Is it all just because of being able to name an avatar unit?

Genealogy has its own problems concerning horrible weapon balance, MountEmblem maps, """"trading"""" weapons, but the one thing it did right was children units.

Awakening did an okay job bringing it back but people wanted them to be implemented in the same way as Genealogy, the 2 generation system. Fates is the one where it got the most flak

>I think I'm finally going to play Sacred Stones
>Enemy lands multiple 30% hits
>Enemy lands 3% crits
>Have missed 97% hits twice
>The weight system
I want off Lyon's wild ride

>>378973314
ironman runs are fun though

>>378950305
by making perma-dead optional

I really want to play the older fire emblem games thanks to Conquest, but my autism gets fired up as soon as I lose an unit, and I fucking hate it when my progress is halted and have to completely restart the game because I don't have enough units anymore.

>>378978197
you could always not fuck up fellow conquest bro

>>378978197
I find the game a lot more fun if i don't reset
more challenging too
its kinda like nuzlocking pokemon

>>378978197
Just reset the chapter or git gud.

>>378976114
she's fine

foot fetish pandering. see fates and heroes art.

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kill, marry, fuck

Still stick in echoes act 1 finale, not matter what i do, slaide keeps getting killed, baiting him into running to the heal spot doesn't work, aftsr a while he stops trying to get to the heal spot and gets himself killed. HELP!

>>378950305
>cash cows
It's one of the least successful IPs they own, wouldn't call it a cashcow, Mario and Pokemon are cashcows.

>>378979152
kill
suicide
suicide

>>378979185
*Stuck
I am so frustrated that i can't type.

>>378979152
kill all three, marry and fuck kid Tiki

>>378979185
Won't he infinitely try to go to the healspot when low on health? You need to make sure you're blocking the way with a character, then open, then block, then open, then block, and he should be forever stuck trying to take the shortest way there.

>>378979482
I do that, i blocked all the routes but one and keep opening and closing one so he keep running, but after a while he stops trying to get heal and attack instead

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>>378979152
Kill Est, Marry Palla, Fuck Catria

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>>378979152
Est's voice acting grew on me, it adds a lot of character and is rather unique as far as female dubs go.

>>378979850
That's the tricky part. At one point, you will need to let him get to the supplies with none of your units in his way. He will prioritize fighting you over healing. But after he gets to the supplies, you can trap him in the room with a weak unit that won't kill him. At this point, you've already baited Desaix out and should be chipping at his health. It takes a lot of patience, skill and some luck to pull off.

How do I check my awards in Echoes?

>>378964242
>>378964639
So a NET?

>>378980492
Goddammit, i am too tired to another try, can you later farm dracp shields?

>>378980404
>types Est
>posts Catria

>>378981465
I think you can, there's a guy that forges them in Act 4 on Alm's side but getting the scales to make even one isn't easy and I don't know if he'd make another one. You can get one for Celica's side near the end of Act 4, as well.

>>378979152
Marry>Fuck>Kill by order of hair length.

Being a hair fetishist is suffering.

>>378979152
Kill Est
Marry Palla
Fuck Catria

>>378979152
Kill them all for being shit. I wouldn't fuck or marry a retard, a whore who lusts after her sister's husband, or an annoying twat who lusts after a married prince.

>Rescue/Savior
>Capture/Release
>Steal non-equipped items/weapons
>Shove/Smite
Which of these were the best?

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Advance Wars got blood sacrificed to revive Fire Emblem desu
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Advance_Wars/comments/6e6nh2/whats_keeping_nintendo_from_making_a_new_advance/
>http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-30-whats-keeping-nintendo-from-making-a-new-advance-wars
>"Personally, I'd love to do Advance Wars, but since it's harder to create relationships between its characters compared to Fire Emblem, I don't have a clear idea of what kind of setting it could have," Yamagami told Eurogamer.

>>378976114
she's actually amazing if you use DLC classes. Witch/Dark Falcon gives her incredible mobility and negates her paper defenses, you can keep her away from the enemy and use her to pick off enemies

>>378978197
play on casual mode so you can use Battle Saves, just restart if one of your units die

PoR/RD also have battle saves

GBA games can be emulated with savestates

>>378974236
wtf I love Peri now?

>>378979152
that order

>>378983171
Stealing.

>>378979152
Kill Est
Marry Palla
Fuck Catria