>spend 20 hours reading literature >become a wiser man

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>spend 2000 hours reading literautre just to be able to understand a game on a deep level

>spend 20 hours playing videogames
>become wiser man
Thank you Gone home

>>378946182
So what did you do for the other 19 hours and 20 minutes?

>>378946165
>translation
C・A・S・U・A・L

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>tfw to intelligent too read literature

>>378946080
>spend 20 hours playing videogames
>???

Judging by the average poster here, you become dumber.

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>Eyesight and motor skills improve

Plato is philosophy not literature. I wont penalize you too much because there is overlap here but another example would help this shit post more.

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what if you play 20 hours of this

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>>378946329
>Plato is philosophy not literature
Retarded semantics aside (as expected from Wittgencuck), Plato wrote in a very literary fashion

>spend 20 hours shitposting on /v
>become a retard

>>378946080
Pic unrelated

>>378946429
Gothic should be prescribed to weebs and Elder Scrolls fans to cure their shit taste.

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>>378946441
I said there was overlap, but that another example would be better. Shit posts have an art and quality to them in the right hands.

>>378946231
Reading a book, listening to podcast, fapping, watching dome yt poop, eating and sleeping

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>>378946659
not him but cmon nigger you aint even being subtle
>trying to play a smart educated guy while being amerifat

too obvious

>>378946659
>Pokepower deals 30 damage

I dont even play Pokemon and that's dumb.

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>>378946853
I'm educated but me being smart is debatable.

>>378946080
"Reading books makes you smart" is a meme. Unless you're reading actual history books, dictionaries, scientific studies or philosophical pieces, you're not gonna be learning jack shit from reading a fictional piece like a Steven King novel or Dune.

>>378946513
> spend 20 hours shitposting on /pol/
> become australian

>Reading

Haha dork

>>378947170
>"Reading books makes you smart" is a meme
>unless you read books that make you smart
what the fuck are you even trying to say

>shitpost 20 hours on /v/
>???

>>378947296
he literally explained it in the post
care to read?

>>378947296
That a majority of people's reading now a days consists of fictional works and strictly recreational reading rather than anything useful?

Watching movies can make you smart if you watch documentaries but when someone says they're a big movie buff they're usually not talking about works like that.

>>378946080
>spend 20 hours reading literature
>shitpost on /v/
FTFY

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>>378947430
>now a days

>>378947170
Reading Stephen King or Dune is still a more intellectually stimulating experience than playing videogames.
Now, "videogames make you a master strategist with perfect reaction" IS a true meme

>>378946080
>be wise man
>still die like any common fool
>none of your wisdom matters anymore
what's the point?

>>378946080
Philosophers would literally be labeled stoners in modern times.

reading and education is for cucks

>>378947525
>none of your wisdom matters anymore
>platonism defined western and middle-eastern civilizations for 2500 years

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>>378947170
>you're not gonna be learning jack shit from reading a fictional piece like a Steven King novel or Dune.

nigger, Dune contains one of the best description (outside of scientific papers) about how the big, basic resources starved ecosystems works on the large scale

>>378946165
>reading le nazi vns for manchildren

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>spend 41 hours and 6 minutes watching Western Anime
>become redpilled af
>trigger thirdies to oblivion
>elect a President Of the United States of America
??

>>378947969
>be a Barneyfag

>>378946165
>weebs will never be able to bait you again with a "well written" VN
Feels fucking good man.

>>378947234
>spend 20 hours posting on /r/cuckhold
>become American

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> Plato

Playing The Talos Principle for 20 hours will make you a wiser man than reading reading 20 hours worth of shitty romance stories.
Literature is a heterogenous medium and it also has its share of trash.
I still love you, Plato.

>>378947170
Steven King does a great display of degeneracy in the "ordinary folk". Everyone treats his novels as just horror but there's always social criticism inlaid.

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>>378946080
plato was a hack

>spend 3 hours reading high quality literature or listening to a good philosophy/history podcast
>spend 2 hours playing video games with friends
>got wiser and had fun too in the same day

Not every person is an actual solitary autist who can sit in a library and read for 12 hours a day.

Reading a high level book only once definitely won't make you wiser.

>>378946080
>makes threads on /v/
How about you try doing the first thing you wrote?

>>378946080
Nowadays, you get social recognition from playing video games.
Along with this gamer social status, you get better at
>competition
>flexibility
>teamwork
>rhetoric
>memorizing
>learning
and
>buying power

>>378948797
>rhetoric
???

>>378946441
>implying plato wrote

>>378948243
Diogenes was an overly pedantic poorfag.

>>378948880
>losing an argument
>DUDE LE CAKE IS A LIE XDDDD
>everybody forgets about the argument

>>378948880
>multiplayer and shilling

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>get into cryptocurrency
>games feel irrelevant

>>378946659
Well as time went on Philosophy and Literature actually began to merge, the books that were written by philosophers were stories to convey conecpt and meaning.

>>378946080
wisdom is actually a deceit, never presume to be wise and never accept anything as wisdom.

>>378948981
>get fucked in the ass
>post this shit

>>378947525
>being nihilistic
>wondering why your life is so shitty

pleb

>inb4 I make 100k a year at Wendys who's 6'4 with a 9 inch penis

>>378949038
>nocoins

>>378949029
Intelligence is the fucking bait, not wisdom.

>>378946231
good 1

>>378946283
>to smrt fr wrds

>>378947170
Books teaches vocabulary and speech. And description.
Videogames can teach grand strategy and priorities.

That said, neither of them has to accomplish anything.

>>378948912
And you are a featherless biped.

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>>378949357
>Videogames can teach grand strategy

>>378949450
*with broad flat nails.

>>378949018
I'm aware friend, the best example of Platonism in action is the Divine Comedy in my humbly arrogant opinion. My favorite philosophical quote is from James Joyce. The point was to delineate a better example away from mixed subject matter to something more purely literary. This tickled my autism as the kids today with the hair and the clothes say.

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>>378949357
>Videogames can teach grand strategy

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>>378946080
>reading that lunatic retard
>not reading aristotel

>>378946080
>spend 20 hours watching reality tv
>???

>spend 20 hours watching (not playing) sports
>???

>spend 0.1 hours having sex
>???

>spend 2 hours talking with your friends about your tabletop RPG campaign
>???

>spend 200 hours building model planes
>???

>>378949357
>Videogames can teach grand strategy and priorities.

Why would I play a video-game for that when I can just read Clausewitz and Sun Tzu?

Nigger faggot

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God fucking dammit OP, does this mean I can't do anything my whole life except read books, otherwise I'm wasting my time? Fuck

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>>378949531
Any honest men here?

>>378949730
>>378949357
Ah yes, grand strategy, truly the most useful of skills needed in an average day

>>378948089
Dies Irea is pleb tier now, EOP scum

>>378949357
Actually, video games helps you to ignore how things actually works.
Like economy.
Be a better consumer now.

that's why I only play RPGs and I make sure to at least one in game book per session
best of both worlds IMHO

>>378946080
>spend 20 hours playing video games while listening to audiobooks
>???

>>378949829
Aristotle said that a life well-lived by necessity must involve pleasure, so long as it doesn't habituate vices, so playing video games for entertainment, provided that it's with moderation, isn't wrong.

>>378949973
Let's be real, being knowledgable on many philosophical themes won't save you from your 9-to-5 either.

Unless you read young, it takes a real concerted effort to overcome the ingrained retardation of society. If you do read young, you will forever find yourself surrounded by retards. It is depressing how poor the grasp of the english language is among college students today, from basic grammatical mistakes to being completely incapable of writing formally.

ok, read books, play games, stay mega nerds while I lift and party and get chicks

>>378950047
>audiobooks
Shit.
>playing video games while listening to audiobooks
Shittier. How? You don't get to understand or even enjoy either one of them.
You are basically wasting time.

>>378949973
ah yes, philosophy sure will help the average person flip burgers or whatever

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>>378950015
>this thirdie grammar
>being triggered by The Bounty of The White Man, earned rightfully

>>378950084
No, it won't, which is why this thread is pretty retarded.

Philosophy is fun to read and fun to discuss at a somewhat decent level, but only pseudo-intellectual managers and the like "apply it to their work ethic" or whatever.

>tfw your boss reads Sun Tzu and pretends it has any use whatsoever in a fucking retail job

>>378949996
>not learning japanese solely for the purpose of reading Dies irae and Masada's works in original despite the translation having been released

>>378950172
One advantage of studying philosophy is you might not end up flipping burgers for a living.

>>378947170
You are right, partially.
Reading meaningfully and learning makes you smarter but even if you just read some shit that is properly written you expand your vocabulary, improve grammar and spelling.
So, yes, you can get smarter just by reading.( not on 4chan)

>>378950172
It help the average person to STOP flipping burgers or whatever.

>>378950219
>>378950234
>philosophy majors
>getting any sort of job at all

nope

>>378950273
The trick is to not think your degree = your job

>>378947296
Hes saying that reading only makes you smarter if you read applicable material that you intent to pursue, and that theres no point attempting to read merely for the sake of it beyond entertainment, unless it pertains directly to your career.

>>378950186
You know I am native American whitie

>read book
>+ 2 int

>>378949357
Grand strategy drilled geography and history into me.

>>378948104
You mean swedish

>>378947170
>faggots actually believe """philosophical pieces""" are teaching them anything
I bet you read all those autobiographies that dumbass news pundits and ex-politicians write too

>>378950334
oh, right, I forgot. the actual knowledge behind a degree is fucking worthless, unlike the "I spent 4 years and $80,000 to show up lol" paper you recieve

>>378950187
>>tfw your boss reads Sun Tzu and pretends it has any use whatsoever in a fucking retail job
it does though, retail is about being competitive so a lot of it applies

>>378950334
Correct, because your job is still burger flipping

>>378946080
I wish I could stop vidya once and for all, OP

but I'm too addicted, I've never done anything else in my life

>>378947170
Thank you. Reading something with some kind of direct application is useful but otherwise it's just as much of a waste of time as video games and it's a meme to pretend that just reading books makes you an intellectual.

>>378950273
What's wrong with not getting a job?

>>378950459
I hate you kind of people

>>378950459
It really doesn't, the extent of retail is common sense marketing.

>>378950273
Philosophy on the side isn't even about just reciting wisdom. People always say that physics and chemistry are applied mathematics. Philosophy and politics are applied history. Similar to psychology they teach you how to interact with people, gauge their intentions, understand groups of people, and most of all make yourself open minded to discussion about worldly matters which can open up opportunities.

I don't even read a book if it's in a language I understand, get the fuck on my level

>>378950628
Philosophy extends far beyond being "applied history" and that is precisely why for an incredibly long time science and philosophy were fairly connected.

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Happiness is in the practice of virtues, anons

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>>378946080
You're clearly playing the wrong video games.

>>378950759

tfw Everything is fire.

>>378950628
On the side is one thing, as the main thing it's another. Plus, "on the side" already implies you're in a good position because you can pay for and have the time for that extra major.

Philosopher king is literally just "My special brand of real communism just hasn't been tried yet" being applied to monarchy. It won't happen because there is no such thing as an incorruptible person.

>>378946080
Either way your still a spaz.

>>378950942
I meant on the side as in casual reading unrelated to university entirely. You don't need a college degree to read philosophy and practice/benefit from it.

>>378950428
>critically thinking about why things are doesn't require knowledge or intelligence

Nice maymay.

>>378950485
Addiction is bad, obsession is bad.
If most video games are marketed to be hyper addictive, it's because they are product, one should not mistake enjoyment and consumption.
Anyway, if you wish you could, you should, not saying that's the solution for everyone.

>>378951243
>delusion
One should not think he's immune to addiction.
Good point tho.

>>378946080
I read /v/ 10 hours a day, according to your logic I should be able to rule the world at this point

>>378951609
10 hours is only half of the 20 hours OP said done to become wiser. You're literally only a fucking half wit for putting in 10 hours.

>>378951609
What the actual fuck how can you be so dumb?

>>378951609
Hes implying the quality of the literature and its content matter too. That should be a given.

>>378946080
>spend 6 hours reading literature
>spend 6 hours playing video games
>spend 6 hours edging and masturbating
>cry myself to sleep

I never asked for this consciousness.
Ivan Karamazov was intelligent and wise, look where it led him.

>>378948882
Plato did write, it was his teacher Socrameme that didn't write. If that character at all existed in the way we see him, and he wasn't invented by big dick Plato.

>>378952512
You need a life project. Something to keep you busy until you die.

>>378952632
You mean like reading, playing vidya and masturbating?

>>378950163
What's wrong with audiobooks? Yeah I get your second point but what's wrong with an audiobook as you commute or go for a walk or something?

>>378946283
iktf

>>378952710
/lit/fags are posers and hipsters, thats what
book discussion threads get 12-15 replies, posting pictures of your collection or recent purchases always hits bump limit
materialist kiddies who collect items, not wisdom, they just use books as whores use lipstick and earrings, to try to appeal to others and demand respect

>>378952685
and crying. No I meant like a career or something.

>>378952919
You could probably make craiglist money charging people to watch you masturbate and cry.

>>378952980
Well you seem dead keen on sex and emotions and stuff. Maybe your goal should be starting a family. That's a timesink and a half and should keep you distracted more or less endlessly.

>>378953136
>family
>sex
pick one

>This thread

Good Lord, you people are dumb as shit.

>>378948215
Social commentary is the zeroth level of intellect, perhaps negative. You unironically spend your time better shitposting on 4chan or playing vidya than indulging in social commentary.

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>>378946165

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>>378952512
Some faggot said something about how life unexamined wasn't worth living.
Well, the more I "examine (my) life", the more I kind of regret doing so, but it's come to be one of the few things I have left to hold on to.
>tfw

>>378952919
I have a career already, I am the leader of a small in house team of programmers working for a very large company.
I am about as wealthy and powerful as you can get without selling your soul, so to speak. Peak honest man.

Doesn't give any purpose.

>>378949357
Cringe

>>378946080
Yeah I tend to think video games are like reading a book or watching a movie but more on the movie side because none are really deep(be honest mates they arnt and that's fine)

>>378946182
>wiser man
>Gone Home

>>378953760
There is wisdom in every experience.
Indian monks used to sit next to a dead animal and watch it decompose to gain an understanding of their own body.

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Plato thought reading was for plebs
>If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks.
>What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder.
>And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows.

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>>378953410
>Dies Irae
Name a bigger meme
>Protip: You can't

>>378953675
This is true, though literature (I mean fiction here, and especially novels) isn't deep either. There may be a handful that are, and you needed millenia of accumulation for that.

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Recommend me some good books.

>>378953881
socrates was right

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>>378948118
>unironically reading Rousseau

>>378953881
>Plato thought reading was for plebs
Yeah, well he also thought a plucked chicken was a man.

>>378953881
Plato also thought that more than 50000 people can't live together in one society, it would collapse into two warring ones.

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>Implying it matters what you do with your time

It's all equally useless

>reading literature
If literature "beats" games, non-fiction beats literature. Literature is pleb tier.

>Spend 20 hours on /v/
>Cancer growths everywhere

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>>378954027
Look no further.

>>378954027
The ones in your stupid stock picture seem like a decent place to start.

>>378946080
Its interesting to see that modern philosphy is mostly nothing but foot notes and variations added to what the old masters did literal centuries ago.

>>378953838
So what you're saying is that playing Gone Home could be akin to watching the corpse of the video game industry decompose?

>>378947525
>not realising that enlightenment hides behind oblivion
Spoken like a plebeian.

>>378954410
>its interesting to see that modern mathematics is build on top of old mathematics

mind blown

>>378946080
Video games are a great way to learn a new language when you are young.

>>378954368
I couldn't find the anime girl on the train pic. I apologize.

>>378954410
Nice generalization and simplification

>>378954410
There is nothing new under the Sun

>>378954449
You'd have to play it yourself to find out.

>>378954479
>philosophy is the same as mathematics
Well you're obviously not part of any conversation, thats for sure.

>>378954480
This.

>>378954594
Mathematics literally branched out of philosophy, you absolute pleb.

>>378954410
You can unironically learn more from the Bible than half the shit passed as philosophy today

>>378954690
t. pop culture philosopher

>>378946283
are u sure you reading the right literature?

btw i've been readin orwell's 1984 and it's not much different from fantasy books or lovecraft, good book thought

>>378950591
and marketing is competition, otherwise you wouldnt need it in the first place

>>378946608
too bad gothic 1 & 2 dont work on modern pcs

>>378954657
Mathematics existed long before philosophy.

>>378954951
But they do. Even vanilla ones.
Also, there is D3D11 mod for each of them so all good.

>>378954951

What? I'm playing Gothic I on my brand new Windows right now

>>378946080
>2000 year old
>must be more wise than me
>dude age lmao

>>378947170
you actually do learn from even from fantasy books and king for example because your vocabulary will be better and sometimes you even learn something from life or something else useful but ofc that is the rares case, but learning words is important when you are young and shit

>>378955198
How wonderfully you composed that argument, anon.

>>378947497
>still no answer

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>>378954870
I thought it was slow, dull and flat.
Forced myself to finish it, felt like homework, not entertainment.
I've unironically enjoyed webcomic writing more than this.

>inb4 hurr durr pleb
I've read my Dostoevsky, I qualify as a patrician now. Shoo.

>>378954657
>>378955018
this isn't provable either way, since things from back then already existed long before someone wrote about then the first time (as far as what writing survived to now at least)

so basically you can just guess which is likelier to come first, navel gazing or basic addition, but in the end it will remain a guess

>>378955018
>he thinks philosophy started when the greeks gave it a name
In that case "mathematics" started even later, since it was later that the greeks named it.

>>378955345
>still no question

>>378946231
I went home after I finished

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>>378955198
>I am incredibly wise
>suffers a life crisis

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>Concerning yourself with the meaning of meaning

Get the fuck outta here

>>378950896
wat gaem?

>>378955337
Ironically, it only serves to prove his point. If he read books, I'm sure he'd have the vocabulary to adequately express what he wanted to, instead of just vomiting ideas all over an anonymous Internet post.

>>378955746
Geralt is visible in the fucking image, you newfag.

>>378955729
>concerning yourself with concerns
lmaio

>>378950015
you dont seem to play lot of managers

>>378955757
Reading doesnt automatically impose writing skill onto people you know. I know some people who read all the time but cant write for shit.

>>378955757
or he reads plenty but not in english

>Reading Babby's first philosopher

Come back when you read something that isn't filled with nice stories about flying horses and caverns

>>378949671
i really dont understand why we had to start from plato on philosophy because he was a crazy caveman when it comes down to it
>b-but our pseudo science is based on him!
your "science" is shit and should only be allowed to teached when there is something useful to learn from these time wasting faggots

>>378955954
Whats wrong with metaphors?

>>378955198
No, you SEE new words in books, but if context clues aren't enough, you need to look it up in a dictionary. You can potentially "learn" new words from any medium.

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>>378955625
Its a sign of wisdom, not even memeing.
Consider this study conducted by NASA.

Source: NASA.

>>378950219
>you might not
in your dreams faggot, you should write books, whore yourself out on media etc grind grind grind to make money, no magical company is gonna hire you

>>378955837
cool

>>378956012
Metaphors are just excuses when you can't think of any real arguments as to why you're right, don't use them.

Either way, understanding some concept and it being true are not the same thing.

>>378955926
It depends on intelligence, though reading at a young age requires less intelligence for absorption than in adulthood. Speak to a child with a college level vocabulary and they will contextually learn the meaning of that vocabulary and even default to it in lieu of the layperson's vocabulary.

>>378950628
>Philosophy and politics are applied history.
politics is learning how to be corrupt fuckhead and get away with it, what they teach is to talk bullshit about things they dont understand well

>>378946080
>have a dream where a couple of my teeth fall off
>look in a mirror
>see that my teeth are rotten and fucked up
>go see a dentist
>dentist sees it and starts giving me all kinds of classic books
>ask her why the fuck are you giving me books and not doing anything about my teeth
>"the more knowledge you have, the more you feel like preserving it and your teeth as well"
>somehow this makes perfect sense in the dream
>ask her well why did my teeth starts falling off when I started reading Brave New World
>she pauses for a second and then points out that BNW is fully fiction while these books aren't
>hands me The Great Gatsby
>somehow this makes perfect sense as well
>the whole dream was a continuation of another dream I had a month or so ago where my teeth also started dropping off, in real life they're actually fine
who /tripping/ here

>>378956174
Metaphors are ways of communicating an argument, not excuses or even an argument themselves.

>spend 20 hours playing videogames
>Have fun

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>>378956305
it's too late, this board is dead

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>>378946165
LITERALLY APPROVED BY HEIKA-DONO HIMSELF

>>378953881
well it's better to read shit right from a book than just trying to remember shit and then get it wrong

>>378956352
I had forgotten the format of that full quote.

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>>378955757
i do read, this is just a chat page, im not trying to impress you here, just trying to communicate
>>378955930
yes, 99% it's in finnish


btw hating slang is just making you look like snobby fool, you should go thru the HST renaissance man road and speak to commoners and outsiders

>>378956031
umm... and? you still learning them, I usually carry this thing called my phone to everywhere where there is unlimited word check up

it's like teaching retarded children here, think outside of the box son

>>378956352
fun is just a buzzword though
it has no meaning, doesn't say anything

its like being asked to describe the flavor of a food, and saying its good

>>378946080
>become a wiser man
What good does it do for you?
You are still the miserable permavirgin who lives at his parents' basement without having achieved anything substantial in your life like getting a well paid and fullfilling job, a house, a good car, a non degenerate wife, 3-5 kids and a dog.
If your life is fucked beyond redemption might as well just enjoy the ride till death.

>>378956867
saying food is good communicates that you like it and recommend it to others, which has to a lot of people more meaning than any complicated review, although the less social you are the less meaningful it will be to you

>>378955625
knowledge creates misery, I got depressed when I was 16 and learned that world is only run by money, even good guys only mostly just slave away to some dickhead capitalist (i hate commies too btw) and even all the good forces of the world are just money schemes and lies. And then it was just downhill from there.

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>>378946608
I played G1 and G2 with NoR when they first came out, and I've been replaying them every few years. I'm also a weeb. So what now?

>>378956987
>its not me who is autistic for not being able to express and explain myself, it is YOU who is autistic for expecting it of me

0/10

>>378957108
maybe the one who keeps bringing up autism while everyone around them is doing fine is the actual autist :^)

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>>378956194
>Constantly have dreams I'm being chased by giant alien spacecrafts
>like ALOT of these for some reason
>I legit don't give a fuck about aliens in real life so these don't make any sense
>mast resent dream is a meteor falling on earth
>in my house, mom is staring out the window waiting, I decide to just lay in bed and wait
>sky goes completely black, meteor never drops
>decide to look out window
>GIANT ALIEN SPACE CRAFT comes out of the horizon to chase me yet a fucking again
I just don't know what to make of these dreams anymore.

>>378956825
>game uses abstract word
>lol who cares
>book uses abstract word
>it's the ultimate form of learning

>>378957246
try my dreams then
>random girl screams at me like a banshee that she's going to torture and rape me before i suddenly wake up

>>378957224
You are the one who brought up "although the less social you are, the more you will disagree with me".
Sorry for triggering you, autist.

>>378957354
uh, no, i said that the less social you are the less social cues like that will be important to you, which is almost a tautology

though i see what youre getting at now, i recommend trying to get a thicker skin anon

>>378957430
Being asked to describe the flavor of food, and saying "its good", is not a social cue.
It is the opposite, it means you can't describe your feelings to others through spoken words.

You are wrong on such a fundamental level I can't help but think you are pretending to be more retarded than you are.

>>378956194
teeth falling dream = there is too much stress in your life

>>378956331
>stress levels down
>don't get a hangover
win win
>>378956867
nope, fun means the game is fun, can't say that about lot of games really

>>378957340
ofc you can learn words from anything, but most games don't really have lot's of new things to learn from

>>378955378
I read 1984 in middle school, I remember enjoying it a lot because I was coincidentally playing Half Life 2 at the time and I guess I drew a lot of parallels between the two. I don't really remember the story in either so I'm not sure how far off base I was with the comparison.

>>378957570
>Being asked to describe the flavor of food, and saying "its good", is not a social cue.
except people describe games as fun, not the flavor of games as fun, thus your entire argument is wrapped up in self-serving falsehood

and even then, describing flavor as good is still perfectly valid, as it still conveys that you like it and recommend it

in fact, id say that keeping to answers as simple as that is wiser than trying to do a long description that'll end up meaningless anyway, the fact is that describing a food's flavor with words is fucking impossible and you know it

i mean seriously, describe the flavor of something like pine nuts without sounding like an idiot if you disagree

>It is the opposite, it means you can't describe your feelings to others through spoken words.
thinking that something is good is on the most basic level of feeling there is, if you actually started using words like nutty or citrusy that's when you aren't describing feelings anymore

>You are wrong on such a fundamental level I can't help but think you are pretending to be more retarded than you are.
anon, not that i think you'll take me seriously or anything, but ill still say it: you're treating this argument as some sort of competition to see who is right instead of considering both view points, thus you are incapable of gaining anything from it

>>378958031
>I don't really remember the story in either so I'm not sure how far off base I was with the comparison.
It's not the worst one, actually. HL2 definitely took some notes.

>>378958076
>what kind of clothes do you prefer?
>"good clothes"
>wow so wise!
>"i also like good music"
>take me now, philosopher king!!!

>>378957570
>it means you can't describe your feelings to others through spoken words.
holy shit you are autistic, maybe it means that said person is not tv-show cook whose only job is to say how tasty some pig's assholes are? maybe it's just a normal person who can't be bothered with anything else than "it was good"

it's kind of like conan playing final fantasy, even he could see the game is NOT FUN, meaning it's boring crap, which it is if you are not a fanboy of ff

>>378958357
>what kind of food do you prefer?
>meat
>what meat is your favorite?
>beef
>please describe the flavor of beef
>...

you can't do it can you :^)

You can learn more about medieval tactics and strategy from a total war game than you can from that retard sun tsu.

>>378958076
>in fact, id say that keeping to answers as simple as that is wiser than trying to do a long description that'll end up meaningless anyway
this, cos the long description is meaning to YOU but not necessarily meaningful in anyway to other people

for example chefs say often than best food is that which reminds them of their childhood, meaning often it's pretty simple good tasting food but there was this umami moment with them when they were a kid

>>378958459
beef is savory

>>378958521
The only game that i felt really taught me something was kerbal space program desu.

I didn't really understand those delta-vs and hohmann transfer orbits on an instinctive level before that, and they are like the basics of realistic spaceflight.

>>378958607
and? tell us autistic master of 4chan /v/, that is not good enough, savory is just another word for fun and good, meaning it doesnt mean anything according to you

>>378958459
I like it smokey, but juicy, with a striated texture, hopefully some fat, crispy on the outside and melting tenderly once you open it up.

You know, good. I like good beef.

>>378958607
>game is fun
>beef is savory

:^)

>>378958689
Good can mean 9999 things, savory means one thing.
Stop pretending to be retarded, you are inviting actual retards to support your nonsensical posts.

become dumber and alienated from real life

>>378958521
sun tzu's shit really only works when the troops are simple and there is no artillery or airplanes or nukes etc

nowadays you can conquer a country by releasing anti-goverment propaganda and getting their own people or "people assisting the revolution" (aka cia agents) to put that dagger into ass of the dear Gaddafi

>>378958674
Look up Orbiter 2016. Real good space flight sim. That and Flight Gear are what made me buy way too much sim gear.

>>378958796
if you open a dictionary you'll see that savory in the context of flavor can mean almost as many things as good can

plus, not all beef is savory, just like not all games are good, but it's possible that some beef which is not savory is still god, which just ends up confusing people

>>378958796
it's you that is autistic and that's not good enough for me, was the meat marbled? where it's from? what was the beef fed? who cooked this beef? was he a Michelin chef?

>>378958910
savory usually mean the meat has perfect amount of fats but not too much and it didnt get cooked to well done or whatever shoe bottom some people want

Have fun?
Enjoy life?

>>378958981
but that still means the meat was "fun"

>>378958981
uh, no, it's a descriptor of flavor, not of all those other things

>>378958521
Sun Tzu is literally 2deep for some people, it looks simple but the application is wide

>>378959163
Musashi wrote the superior "Asian man using war and fighting as a metaphor" book. And he also included parts that were literally about fucking someone up with a katana.

>>378957340
I can't even name 10 games that come close to the top 100 best books. Nearly all games are just glorified action scenes from movies with a forced 'deep' point thrown in that even a child would understand.

>>378959237
I actually was going to mention 5 Rings, its very similar to Art of War in that respect.

>>378946080
Depends on the book and on the game.
20 hours playing an oldschool arcade game will improve your reflexes, and playing some sort of dungeon crawler will improve your spatial navigation skills.
Now playing some cock stroking modern AAA crap will yield no gains.

And with books? reading plato do made you wiser, but reading the communist manifesto or twilight?.. not so much.

>>378959085
When something is savory you should also describe the method of cooking and how effective it is on the ingredient. Thats part of describing the flavor of food. Saying the food is good is saying a game is fun. If you can't explain why a game is fun by going into detail about things like mechanics, cutscenes, controls, currencies, etc. then just don't try and contribute. If I asked a friend to sell me on a particular game and all he could come up with is "its fun" then he can fuck right off.

>>378946080
I'll bite - what does this theoretical wisdom do for you in the long term? I'm not asking what wisdom in general will do, but the wisdom acquired specifically from reading classical literature.

>>378959568
>If you can't explain why a game is fun by going into detail about things like mechanics, cutscenes, controls, currencies, etc. then just don't try and contribute
See anon, this is why they keep calling you autistic.

>inb4 you still don't see it

>>378959701
If being able to explain in detail why you like something is autistic then give me them government benefits cause im going in deep.

>>378947170
truth

Activities exist on a sliding scale of entertainment to education.

On the one hand, reading a science textbook is pure education with little entertainment value. On the other, the Jersey Shore is pure entertainment without any educational value.

Some games are further to either side than the other, especially if you view education in a broader sense of hand-eye coordination, reading skills, comprehension skills and decision-making.

Hearts of Iron might not teach you as much about WW2 history as an academic article or university class, but that game is damn hard, and being good at it does something good to your brain.

>>378957669
That would make sense during the first occasion I had that dream but not right now really. I've been very zen the past few days.

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>>378946080
Good thread, the perfect place for a pseudo-intellectual circle-jerk.

>>378954951
They do, but you have to get this special launcher mod thing for widescreen to work.

>>378959568
if you actually are friends then you should have a strong idea of what she does and does not enjoy. which informs you fairly heavily on what it takes for them to find a game fun, which in turn you can compare to your own taste in games to decide if there is a strong or a weak chance that you will also find it fun

>>378959836
no, you fucking autist, you're autistic because of the second part of that post, the one where you don't understand everyday human interaction

>>378952843
Shut up kiddo. I can tell you've been there twice in your life for 2 minutes at best.

>>378960195
You're dodging the answer. What is autistic about expecting my friends to be able to explain why a game is good and why I should play it? You're a fool to just buy a game because a friend says "Hey buy this game its good." I'm not saying call the friend a retard and break off your friendship. I'm just saying you should tell them to go into more detail, and thats completely reasonable.

>>378946080

Books are for people too poor to afford videogames.

Maybe if you got a real job, you could afford something more entertaining than a stack of paper

>>378960360
i give up

i hope your autism still allows you a meaningful life

have fun anon

>>378960467
Not an argument.

>>378960382
this retard logic

>>378949357
Games, specially grand strategy games should've teached you the basics of game theory before anything else.

And for pity's sake you better fucking know what im talking about.

>GSG nerds think their dumb little board games make them smarter

>>378946080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KcPNiworbo
Understanding the concept of life is video game simulator and you playing it right now.

>>378946080
>>spend 20 hours reading literature
>>become a wiser man
i spent the past week reading majikoi and while i enjoyed the fuck out of it, i don't think i'm any wiser for it

>>378960795
I hope you at least learned that Kazuko is the best girl.

Playing videogames makes you better at playing games

>>378960795
of course. only somewhat lacking wisdom considers themself wise

>>378960795
>literature
jesus christ

>>378960916
i only have agave route left, i just finished capt's as my second to last one
miyako best girl
gen true best girl
wanko second best, although that h-scene where she's making dog noises was by far the best h-scene
chris is good
momo is good in her route
mayumayu is kind of boring no matter where she is although her route is fun
i wish the side routes were longer, especially umeko and mayo. capt's was best.
looking forward to s, already have it downloaded

>>378961178
the word means written works, especially (but not only) those that people get all hipster over

so you know, he isn't wrong

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The best video games will give you at best a genre literature expirience, like mediocre sci-fi or fantasy. Even games that apparently have amazing and deep stories are actually pretty generic and derivative. I love Deus Ex but it's not on the level of Neuromancer or Snow Crash in terms of cyberpunk art.

So if you play a 20 hour video game just think of it as reading a Song of Ice and Fire book or a Stephen King novel.

>>378959324
Most books are just glorified rehashes of other books often with excessive imagery with a forced "deep" point thrown in that even a child can understand

t. Someone who actually reads

>>378946329
Idk man I play vidya all the time but my reaction times are crap. There's that site to test it and my average was 300ms.
Maybe I just play too many crpgs

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i don't play video games to become wiser

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>>378946080
>In philosophy
>Professor asks me about the concept of evil
>Put on the spot, start panicking but remember a certain quote from Oblivion
>"In due time, dear child. In due time. First, an introduction. I am Lucien Lachance, Speaker for the Dark Brotherhood. And you, you are a cold-blooded killer, capable of taking life without mercy or remorse. The Night Mother has been watching, and she is most pleased. And so, here I am. I come to you with an offering. An opportunity... to join our rather unique family."
>Professor looks stunned, class gives me a round of applause

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>>378946080
>In philosophy
>Professor asks me about the concept of evil
>Put on the spot, start panicking but remember a certain quote from Witcher 3
>"Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degreee is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all"
>Professor looks stunned, class gives me a round of applause

>>378962235
Can we not start this shit

>>378962356
Geralt is using flawed logic because neglecting to take action can be evil too.

>>378962471
No, I'm not touching that lever. The train can run over those five people instead of the one. I'd rather not assume liability, thank you.

Fun fact: people who read a lot are some of the least interesting people on Earth.
source: everyone I know who reads a lot, including myself

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>>378959324
you just play shit, you are a goddamn pleb, go play baldur's gate 2, literally half or 70% game is reading

>>378956956
>Implying materials possessions matter in the physical world.

>>378962732
Pleb tier reading with kindergarten level choices of black and white good and evil.

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>>378946080
playing 20 hours of a /gsg/ game will make you far wiser in your understanding of world cultures, religions, geography, etc. at least beyond the level of any American

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>Read for 20 hours
>Become a condescending faggot
>Play vidya for 20 hours
>Get carpal tunnel
>Sit in a barrel, masturbate in public, mock the aforementioned condescending faggots, get fucking ripped carrying a gigantic heavy barrel around, tell your contemporary equivalent of Genghis Khan meets Napoleon that he's in your sunlight and needs to fuck off
>Become the greatest cynic philosopher of all time and also a top meme

>>378963034
reddit: the philosopher

>>378959971
>Jersey Shore is pure entertainment
but it's just sad and not entertaining :(

I avoid reading anything mentioned in liberal art games.
>1984
>The art of war
>War and Peace

>>378963110
Reddit: The Philosopher would just be that John Green faggot.

Diogenes is an asocial chronic masturbator who spends more of his time mocking the perceived-to-be greatest minds and rulers of the world than he does much of anything else, shit's 4chan as fuck.

>>378960026
maybe something is bothering you, weed helps with this shit, it brings out what is bothering you and that is why some people just can't handle it, they become anxious about their life problems and not realize that you have to think out or rationalize out your problems like "im gonna fix that shit tomorrow, and that shit monday and that..."

>>378955027
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>>378960048
hmm... graphics fucked out last time I tried, flickering and shit

>>378946080
>spend 20 hours playing video games
>and you git fuckign gud

>>378963410
haaha epic xD

>>378963110
No he's /ourguy/
Reddit philosopher would be Marx.

So video games are fucking useless/pointless and don't improve you in any way and most books/philosophers are trash too. What the fuck do I do then?

>>378963592
math

Why are these threads allowed to reach 500 posts? Its essentially off topic inane shit where people ironically pretend to bash the crux of the board.

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I was to understand her on more than just a surface level if you know what I mean
Cutest psychopath

>>378963691
>ironically
Anon...

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>>378946080
>Reading Plato
>Ever
He is a fucking hack.

>>378962938
>ebin grossegermaniums
>wise

spent twenty minutes reading a book on history and you'll see where you made a mistake.

>>378962589
but what if people are watching you and you are closest to lever and people will bother you the rest of your life you dont pull it?

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>I'm smarter because I'm not familiar with the opinion of some Italians who died a million years ago

Bookfags always try to take the holier than thou route. Unless you're reading a fucking math book, you aint no smarter.

>>378962938
That's going a bit far. I've learnt a lot of history and geography from playing Grand Strategies but I wouldn't say I have a deeper understanding of cultures and religions.

Those are far too complicated to be simulated by even the deepest Grand Strategy games.

>>378963657
Theres no point in math. You cant use math to prove math is accurate and you cant get outside of our reality to observe if its accurate. Theres no point in learning anything desu youll be dust in 70 years and any knowlede you ever had will be outdated and forgotten.

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>>378963592
Try gardening?

>plato
>reading the works of a nigger

>>378946165
Is this shit actually worth """playing"""?
I read the intro and it was nothing but masturbation about how great and honorable nazis are and then everyone started blowing their own brains out and not-hitler sucked up their souls.
The entire thing was just edgy as fuck and pretentious for the sake of being pretentious with randomly throwing shit like zarathustra and faust in there

>>378963853
are you low-IQ? that Germany has been cucked to hell. no western Rhineland, loss of Kiel canal, most of east Prussia gone. either Russia or France could easily shit on it singlehandedly

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>>378958459
>food analogy

>>378962815
lol, so is most books and usually the "useful" books are fucking boring

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>>378963592
Entertainment does not exist to improve yourself. There is nothing long with wasting time on inane shit so long as you do it in moderation.

>>378962938
>perfect Europe
>Germany existing
>unfree Ireland
>Balkans still a fucking mess
>France huge
>Russia eating everything
Fuck no, Russia and Germany should be Balkanized so they can't fuck shit up any more

>>378963924
it's mostly more about this:
>this culture belongs in this country
>this country is this country
>this country has this religion
so basics, but most people dont even have basics down cos there is just so many fucking countries

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>>378964196
What am I supposed to do when I'm not consuming entertainment though? Just go to work to earn money to acquire more entertainment?

>>378964175
>not reading the entire conversation

>>378964090
>fixation on the amount of melanin in skin pigment rather than the ideas and thoughts people convey

back to pol

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>>378964281
Russia has literally never done anything wrong at any point in history and all Irish people speak English with a tiny minority of Irish speakers. there is no such thing as Irish people.

>>378964429
>b-but Tyrone bullied me in middle school

>>378964281
same for france, spain, italiy, and especially britain

>>378963034
>>Read for 20 hours
>>Become a condescending faggot

anti intellectual polcuck detected

>>378964132
>Bavaria and Hanover not independent states
>Prussia not under Polish control
>Yugoslavia instead of Austria-Hungary

The terrible Bosch must be kept firmly under heel.

>>378964490
>holodomor
>Stalin
>communism as opposed to based socialism
>backing syria
No fuck off, Russia is the enemy of the free world

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>>378963592
you read only your government approved jew lies and leftist cuck views and be a robot according to super dry autists of 4chan

i say fuck it, fuck the law, fuck the government, fuck politics, fuck everyone else, steal, grab, take eveything to yourself when you can and while you can, DRINK, do drugs, drop out, flip out, try life, there is gonna be a big war, misery or other kind of fucked up thing coming anyways so fuck it, fuck this, fuck the world

>>378964505
>same for france
Literally everything west of the carpathians and north of Rome should be French.

The First Empire was the golden age of humanity.

>>378964661
it's not Yugoslavia mate. it's just Serbia :^). yugoslavia would be blue

>>378964738
holodomor didn't happen. stalin was Georgian. jews are behind communism and Russians fought a multi-year civil war and expended millinons of their own lives to stop it. also Syria did nothing wrong and Kurds are subhuman

>>378963910
well you also have to had read some books, whatever books, if you haven't finished single book in your life I can't respect your opinions much

but ofc that elitist snobbery of learning to remember someone wiser's words dont make u much wiser

>>378962938
>perfect Europe
>no Roman Empire
It's shit mate
Roma invicta

>>378946080
>>spend 20 hours reading literature
>>become a wiser man
Never happened to me.

>>378964848
>muh jews
Opinion disregarded

>>378964908
both Groß Italy or Groß Greece could be considered a kind of "Roman Empire" I think