When did you wake up to the realization that 8GB RAM is not enough

>>378902276
Not enough for what?
Gaming?
Only the highest of high end AAA games would even approach 8gb usage...

8gb of ram is plenty

Fuck off ram shill

>>378902276
Show me a benchmark where more than 8gb of ram in a game yields significant performance gain

I'll wait

I think it's best to have some redundancy in case any one stick starts failing. 4x4GB is plenty and should be affordable.

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>tfw browser regularly takes up anywhere from 3 to 6gb because I open so many tabs and forget about them
So glad I have 16gb.

>>378902417
>>378902525
>>378902721
>ramlets
When will they learn?

>>378902276
>8GB RAM is not enough
in what world

>>378902276
16GB is the bare minimum for a smooth experience for games and web browsing. Anything more and I'd hope you're running servers or VMs.

>>378902806
This, I've had to go up to 16 now because one of my sticks started to fail.

>>378902843
>I'm retarded so I need more ram

>>378902843
not everyone is an adhd kid like you

When I decided to mod Cities Skylines
Had to make a 10gb page file

4 is no longer enough unless you are running linux.
8 is fine for stuff that isn't high end.
Over 16 is overkill.

I have 32, wish I had 128. RAM Disks are great to have.

>>378902843
I'm waiting faggot >>378902721

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>having over 2GB of RAM
Let me guess, you have a 4 core CPU as well? A GPU?

>>378902917
the problem is you go from 16, straight to 32. No chill, no other option.

I have 4gb and can play games like for honor and fallout 4 with tons of tabs open with flash and youtube vids running

8 GB is enough unless you play garbage games.

>>378902917
>this is what Firefox users actually believe

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>>378903263
No regrets

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>He has less than 6 cores
Nice one mate

>>378902843
Your browser uses more because it has more available retard. I only have 8GB and I play games at 1440p with literally over 50 tabs open at any given time just fine.

>>378902276
>ME:A

i'm so fucking mad I don't even know how Bioware managed to up the bar but fucking not even live up to it at the same fucking time. so now we'll see all these games that claim you need 16gb but won't actually make any fucking use of it.

>>378902276
8GB is not enough if I want to run VMs on the side

>not having 256GB
jesus christ it's like i'm browsing gaia online here

>>378902843
>he uses chrome

>>378903532
>he uses botnetforce(tm) experience
Lovin' every kek

32GB right now, got two more slots, so, I might go up to 64GB just for the shit of it.

It has some use in 3DS Max and Zbrush stuff I do ever so often, but, beyond that, nah.

It makes it's value in 4chan shitposting potential though.

Literally every /v/ thread open in a tab right now.

>>378903532
15.95 GB RAM

Fucking ramlets never fucking learn

>he doesn't just put his games on RAM for lightning fast load speeds

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>>378903532

>>378902721
just cause 3

>>378903640
>he doesnt use Shadowplay

>>378903767
The 970 still uses all its memory idiot, just the last 512mb is slower than the rest.

>>378903781
>he doesn't realize Shadowplay is just NVENC, which any video recording software can take advantage of

>>378902917
>16GB is the bare minimum
>you better be doing something special if you have more

huh

>>378902276
When I played Space Engineers

I think I'm sitting on 4x4 or 8x2. It wasn't that expensive to go from 8 to 16 while building my rib so I went for it. I guess we're on the new DDR number so my next rig might have 8 instead of 16 if the price difference means a smaller/bigger SSD. I don't know though

As a rule, more is always better. Even with latencies from mismatched speeds.

Your computer will always be constantly loading from and offloading to your hard disk via pagefile. The more RAM you have available, the less it needs to offload to make room for other items such as applications or games.

Having more RAM can also cut loading times, as the disk is no longer working as often offloading from RAM to disk whilst reading. This is also true of using a separate drive for your games, as all of the pagefile operations are done on the primary drive.

>>378902276
like 3 years ago

>>378902276
i work in photoshop, 3d programs and do some light rendering. 32 in minimum for me, I'll probably go with 64 next time.

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I too would like to know the answer to OPs question.

I have 16gb ram, I mean it's like the cheapest part of any build so I didn't see any point getting lower. Then again I record, mix and master music so I probably need more ram than people who just play games. And it's kind of future proofing gamingwise anyways.

>>378904252
SSD is pointless and expensive.
Also, get faster RAM rather than more RAM. 3200mhz is nice - The CL rating also matters a little.

get rid of chrome

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What'sthe benefit of upgrading to DDR4 RAM?

>>378904814
>SSD is pointless
I see you never had an SSD

>>378904808
>16GB RAM
>for mixing music
How dumb are ya'll

>>378904884
It's faster.

>>378902417
>he doesn't play minecraft with x512 textures and shaders

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>>378904814
>SSD is pointless
Get a SSD poorfag.

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>>378904814
>SSD is pointless and expensive.
So you're saying you like minute-long as opposed to second-long boot times and lag whenever you do anything involving more than two programs?

>>378904884
As far as I know there's not much difference on the user side but modern processors and motherboards need it

>>378904948
>It's faster.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""faster"""""""""""""""""""""""""

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>>378902276
>16
10/10 retards

>>378902843
Idiot

>>378905012
>minute-long boot time
>the expense of going from GTX 1060 to 1080
Well worth it, you dumb shit.

>>378902276
when i was getting stuttering if i use discord when gaming. i actually thought it was because my quad core cpu wasn't good enough but i bought an extra 8gb of corsair vengeance ddr3 the other day and it's like my pc is fucking reborn. no stutters, i can have like 50 tabs on chrome open alongside a game and discord with no stutters whatsoever.

>>378903128
why do you need 128gb of ram

>>378904269

What if I have over 100GB of ram?

That's why I bought a prebuilt HP that came with an i7 and 12 GB and just shoved a 970 in it. With the monitor that came with it, it came out to be only slightly more expensive than if I had built it myself.

>>378905126
>discord
There's your problem. Just use the web app https://discordapp.com/ instead of the bloated as fuck client. Or just use IRC if you insist on having a client.

>>378903881
not him but shadowplay is based. the instant replay feature is brilliant. obs doesn't offer that feature.

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>>378905126
>bought ddr3 ram in 2017

i got 40GB ram. what's the issue?

>>378905181
Then you're a living meme

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>>378905110
Stay mad that you can't afford it faggot.

>>378905249
nah even in general my games like gta 5 would stutter like mad and apparently it's because of windows throwing a bunch of shit into the paging file which causes stutters as the hdd is working overtime to do read/write cycles or some shit like that. seriously, it's like my pc has activated beast mode or something because my gaming experience is so goddamn buttery smooth now compared to before.

What are you talking about OP. I just downloaded some extra ram this month

>>378903753
>>378903128
RAM disks are where it's at

>>378904923
Man, shit can be unwieldy until you compress it. Lossless compression is still compression. It all starts a lot larger

>>378905448
I'm trying to give advice, nignog.
If your choice is between graphics and processing, and a fucking SSD, then you've got to be retarded to choose the SSD.

LIKE 5 YEARS AGO

>>378905487
Let me guess you're using Windows 10? With all the background telemetry and ads it tends to gobble up precious RAM that could've gone to your game.

>>378905538
There's no choice when you can actually afford parts, kiddo. People that buy 1060 do not necessarily cannot afford 1080, they just see the need in it.

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because it's the current year, 16GB is the new norm

>>378902276
>wake up
My life is some cruel dream right? I can just wake up and all my 2d waifus will be there, holding my hand?

>>378905740
>People that buy 1060 do not necessarily cannot afford 1080, they just see the need in it.
But they see the need in an SSD? Yeah, that makes sense.
Also, l2English, you retard.

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>>378905538
>implying
Stay poor kid.

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when game developers stopped giving a shit about PC releases and filled their games up with so much shitty bloat

years ago most games that came out would actually work, now most games are shitshows on release with memory leaks absolutely fucking everywhere most going unfixed for years if ever

there's no reason for shit to be as bloated and slow as it is and you shouldn't have to buy excessive amounts of RAM to counteract this, the fucking devs need to get their shit together and stop being lazy

>>378905960
Cool argument, 3rd world monkey BR.

>>378905294
there isn't any significant difference between ddr3 and ddr4

>>378905689
yeah win10 but the same would happen for me in windows 7. when i'm not in game windows only uses like 1gb ram max but when i get into a game it would use up to 9gb.

if you use more than 70% of your system ram, windows automatically throws background apps into pagefile which is why your pc feels super sluggish when you come out of a game e.g. if you right click on something nothing will happen, apps take forever to open etc.

>>378902417
GTAV and Nier Automata both freeze my computer if I leave Firefox open, with 16GB of RAM, simply because I have page filing disabled. I'm considering upgrading to 32GB. When I build a DDR4 rig

>>378902721
Spengies
10 gb memory leaks on top of the already performance heavy game

>>378902417
its not about AAA performance anymore, its all about the performance you get in unoptimized early access games now.

my whole rig isn't enough these days, I still have an i5-2500k from when they were the hottest shit around, and my original card was a 560Ti from when that was the hottest shit around.

>>378906097
but PC parts in the future will require DDR4 ram and you will have to buy it if you want to upgrade, Ryzen already only support DDR4

I don't know anything about computers and you guys attacking each others choices is making me cry

Stop please!

>>378903445
>E5-2670 0
Proxmox virtual machine innit?

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>>378902276
>install 16gb of ram
>not much changed

At least now i can disable pagefile and not get HDD loading stutters in many games.

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>>378906054
Oh no you really got me. Let me go cry to my M2 and my 1080Ti. If you have the need for a 1080 but would need to cut the SSD you should reconsider your life choices kid. OR you could just go working and stop being a faggot.

>>378906053
There's plenty fucking reason for a game to use 8gb of ram with intelligent precaching, 4-8k textures, and proper AI.
>>378906097
There's no difference between 14nm and 32nm processors then? You're saying a similar thing.

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>>378906364
It's okay anon. Just come over here everything will be okay when you got your SSD.

>>378902276
probably tommrow

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>mobo decided to stop using half of my ram

8gb was fine, but this is actual hell

>>378906338
yeah, but why would anon buy ddr4 if he's running a perfectly fine haswell i5/i7? Even sandy bridge is doable still.

>>378902276
I have 16gb, wanted to upgrade to 32 but my mobo doesn't support it
kinda dumb

>>378906768
if you're buying ram now you might as well buy DDR4 in case any upgrades you want in the future need it

>>378906768
Newer components are throttling on anything larger than most 22nm chips these days.
He'll have no choice in four years probably

>>378904808
>I have 16gb ram, I mean it's like the cheapest part of any build

Not anymore it isn't.

16GB of DDR4 RAM costs me $200 - $250

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>>378906510
>There's no difference between 14nm and 32nm processors then? You're saying a similar thing.

>>378906909
What kind of shithole do you live in? Canada or Australia?

>>378906246
Early access games are almost always trash barring stuff like Subnautica, why would I care?

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>>378906909
cost me 137 europoors

>tfw bought 16 but wish I had 32
Should I buy another identical kit or just sell the 16 and buy 8x4?

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>>378906246
>AAA optimized

>>378906868
>>378906880

>if you're buying ram now you might as well buy DDR4 in case any upgrades you want in the future need it

niggers, did you even consider that older platforms might not even support ddr4? ddr3 is all some people can work with and it's perfectly fine to upgrade your ram from like 8gb ddr3 to 16gb ddr3 to get better performance from your current setup rather than buying a whole new cpu, mobo, ram etc.

>>378906868
>>378906880
>buying ddr4 during a price hike for a machine you'll upgrade to in 4 years
>not buying ddr3 for half the price

PUBG can barely run with 8 gigs and smooth as fuck with 16.

GTA V/Witcher 3 can have trouble streaming in buildings with 8 gigs unless you close all other applications.

>>378902276
Almost all games that recommend 8gb only use about 2,maybe 3 gb

>>378902276
heck, i have 16gb and it's not even enough.
and windows freaking cache their memory.
so it's even worse than it seems.

>inb4 the system will free the memory up when you needed it!
but it will causes drops in frame rate and stuttering when you play fps.
other games, not a problem,
but in fps, where you needed the response time, it suck ass.

>>378907447
this

also hitman 2016 is a stutterfest with 8gb but runs buttery smooth with 16gb

>making the same thread on /g/

The bare minimum should seriously be 12 these days

>>378902276
i've been using 16gb ddr3 1866 since 2012, bought the kit for 70€ back then.

>>378907993
>Having a wierd number of ram

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>>378903106
This. C:S is the only game that has made me glad I got 16GB. A city with 150k pop with mods causes the game to take up about 12GB.

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>>378902276
8GB is fine if you're playing a game with no programs open in the background.

That's unrealistic though—no one closes everything on their computer when it's gay men time—so go with 16GB.

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Thats right; buy!

You definitely need it! More is better! And don't forget to upgrade to DDR4, it makes a HUGE difference!

>>378907096
>2666mhz CL16
Lol, there's a reason why it's "cheap".
I paid the same for 3200mhz CL16, by the way.

>>378909580
>this what poorfags actually believe

>>378908978
>12gb
>3x4gb sticks
>weird

>>378905240

>think anon's full of shit
>see this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-desktop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-120gb-solid-state-drive-1tb-hard-drive-black-red/5727100.p?skuId=5727100

Wow, that's about as much as it'd cost to build that yourself

>2017
>not having 32 GB ram

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>>378902417
>>378902525
Poor fags.... bet you use AMD equipment

>>378909046
>>378903106
How do I make a page file for C:S

>>378906117
That's a problem with the programs. And Firefox is notorious for having memory leaks.

8gbs here. Every time I have issues I just increase the size of the page file another gb

>>378905130

More to allocate for a bigger ramdisk.

2014 when I built my PC and threw 16 GBs on this bitch.

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Please bully me

I remember DS3 using like 6gb of ram, holy fuck.

>>378912021
nice crop you thick cunt

If you use more than 6GB for gaming, you are an idiot.
If you think DDR4 is faster than DDR3, you are an idiot.

Only thing DDR4 is superior is energy usage.

I've had 8gb for years and I've literally never had an issue with anything modern.

Dark souls 3 made me upgrade

>>378912021
>botnet 10 home
>2gb video ram
Just get a console

>>378902276
What the fuck are you running in the background where you need more than 8GB of RAM. I can understand if you were modeling or something but 8 GB should be fine for most purposes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKIavpEQQGg

>>378912098
And better scalability, just with negligible latency increases

>>378902276
When GTA5 released on PC.

Fill every channel on your board.
If your RAM costs as much as your i5 you are not fucking up.
"I should have bought cheaper shittier RAM" - words said by no one.

>>378907015
Even Canada only pays $150-170

>>378902276
When I got a virus I can't remove on my computer that uses almost 10 gb.

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my CPU is oooooold

>16G of RAM
>Warning your computer is low on memory, please close this program: chrome.exe

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fight me
i should upgrade sometime
maybe next year

>>378904884
No, lili you're not old enough to drink!

>>378902276
About 5 years ago when I build my system with 16.

>>378912372
Right away that hairline says he has nothing important worth listening to

>>378909046
C:S is an insane system hog, I got a new GPU and an extra 8gb of ram (bringing me to 16) and still on my xbox yuge cities it can get clunky af.

But its better than the clunk that would mean I could go and make a cup of tea and a sandwich and still have time before it unfroze itself.

The fact that most mods are awfully optimised, and that I am a massive stooge for mods, means that I will always have a shit show.

>>378913310
That GPU needs to go. Unless you're playing old games or on low graphics quality. Bonus for sticking with the last personal computer OS.

8GB is more than enough. Certain programs are just hogs.

Now GPU is another story, you need more than 4GB now

>>378903359

After firefox 57, Destroy All Addons edition, it'll be nice and clean though!

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>>378913180
>i7 2600

ma nigga

>>378913472
>This doesn't support my position so I won't listen
Thanks for admitting more RAM doesn't matter.

You are better off putting the $50 towards a graphics card.

>>378913180
>sli
>ever
gtx 3.5 no less
>>378913310
ivy bridge is fine, wait for ryzen 2 atleast

>>378913735
I wouldn't advice going above 4GB unless you have a 1440p or 4K setup. Absolute waste of money otherwise.

>>378902276
I don't care I only play emulation and indie games.

>>378914005
its old as fuck, but it still kicks some ass. Going to upgrade to one of the Ryzen's after the summer I think

>>378904884
It'll take a long time to download though

>>378902276
Like a year and a half ago when I upgraded to a 4K monitors and some of muh games started crashing with out of memory errors.

>>378914380
yeah its still a good processor, does what it needs to do.

Unfortunately I'm an Australian so a decent processor is going to set me back many hundreds of dollars, and I have to save up to go to Vienna at the end of the year, reee.

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>>378905448
SSD are pointless. it can't even hold my 10TB worth of Jap porn.

>>378902417
I suppose it depends on how you use your PC. I multitask like a motherfucker and have a million tabs open, so a lot of RAM is pretty useful for me.

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>TFW 3 paycheck month in june to replace this fucking piece of shit

>>378914893
source please

>>378902276
Nobody will ever need more than 640k of RAM.

Does RAM brand even matter?

>>378915030
yep, about time to replace that brick sir

>>378903532
>60hz
Sickening

>>378915114

It's like the gameboy of computer systems, it should have died years ago but somehow it still runs and can play games

>>378902276
A couple weeks ago when I saw my RAM was at 90% or so during some games. Just upgraded to 16 niggabytes.

>>378904814
What are you talking about. SSDs are great because they are faster than HDDs will ever be. It's nice when the computer has to wait on me for a change vs the other way around.

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>>378915048
Yuria Satomi. the richest JAV star, she has 240m in the bank. and she did it all by slutting up around.

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>tfw I'm using 32gb of ram only because newegg accidentally gave me 10 orders of 2x8gb(16gb) of ram instead of 1 order.
One of the happiest days of my life.

>>378902276
I've had 16gb for the past 2 years. Just upgraded to ddr4 in January.

I see threads argue all the time about CPU versus GPU but what about the most important aspect.

How do you know what a good motherboard looks like?

>>378915451
can i have a dimm anon? i'll trade you an aio.

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>>378904814
I love it when fucking morons like this get on here and pretend they know PC hardware, or anything PC for that matter, just to be laughed at by everyone else.

So did Ryzen mobos ever not be shit so they can use 3000mhz+ RAM?

>>378915676
Why are you still samefagging?
SSD is pointless for games. Faster RAM will give you more frames.

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>>378902276
>tfw windows 10 updates are going to eat up all my ram

The last one slowed down my wi-fi connection.

>>378902276
This is only because of browsers.

>>378915681
unless you are a fucking retard, Ryzen is now supporting 4400 mhz ram

mobo makers just need to make it

>>378915936
>I know Windows is fucking me over
>I will continue to use it regardless
u r an idort

>>378915512
Overclocking capability if you're into that, number and bandwidth of PCIe slots, SATA speed, Number of RAM slots, memory standard (e.g. ddr3, ddr4), chipset, socket type. All things to look out for depending on your needs.

>>378916083
>using Mac for games
>using Linux for games

Kek

>>378915936
just wait till botnet 10 starts to erase all your pirated shit AND report you to the FBI automatically for it...

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>>378915854
why are you false flagging SSDs?

>>378914938
Well same, I have 16gb in my new build and 32 in my older one that I'm going to re purpose into a server.
I've still yet to see a game use up over 8gb though...

>>378916752
SSD are really not worth it though.

>>378916891
They are worth it, every penny.

The difference between an SSD and a normal disk drive is like night and day.

I've got a samsung NVMe installed and you wouldn't believe the boot time with this thing (less then 3 seconds with post).
Not to mention anytime I open something it's instantaneous as fuck. Literally zero loading.

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>>378902276
12gigs and Triple channel ram since 2010.

it's holding up pretty well all things considered with just the gfx card/ssd/and power supply being replaced due to parts wearing out over extended use.

>>378917385
You are paying only for seconds saved. The only real difference that is noticeable would be large transfers of files. But you wouldn't be doing that normally anyway.

>>378917532
Wrong.

The difference is that SSDs can access files rapidly anywhere in their memory with zero seek time while HDDs have to physically move their arms to the position.

It is so much better for reading small files from different places in succession (just like what your OS is doing all the time...)

Trust me just get an SSD and you'll see how wrong you are.

>>378918045

>What is Disc Defrag

Sad

Should I get 16 or 32gb of ram?

I want to do VR and I do some video editing and 3d rendering.

>2017
>not having as much ram as you do hard drive space

>>378918045
I have an SSD and I'm seeing zero or negligible difference between boot times and other program speeds.

>>378918221
Haha, ok you're fucking retarded.
No point in trying to convince you.

No matter how much you try to defrag your hdd the arms still need to move around to find files.

But do keep enjoying your slow as fuck pc.

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one of my sticks was RMA and I'm too lazy to send it back, 24gigs is fine, but I paid for 32gb

yes, i know i need to upgrade my monitors next

>>378902276

how do u plebs function on 8gb

>brb closing all the chrome tabs i hav opened just to play a game

sometimes i wonder if 32 gigs would be enough

>>378902721
The burden is on you to show proof that games DON'T use that much ram. As much as anyone else to provide proof.

>>378918928
Except it's impossible to prove a negative faggot

>have chrome and discord open on one monitor
>playing gta 5 on the other
>fails to load textures and shit because of ram

>get 16gb
>no problems ever again

>>378918802
i have 32gb of ram and still need to close chrome tabs
it's honestly a shit browser

>>378902276
All these retards saying 8 gigs of ram is enough are the same retards back then who were saying 4 gigs of ram was enough.

They were also the retards saying that 4 core cpus are unnecessary and that you only need 2 cores.

When will you idiots realize that hardware requirements change as technology becomes more advanced? Some games are already listing 16gb as recommended requirements.

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>>378902806
>4x4GB
>not 2x8GB for easy upgrading to 32GB

>>378902276
When devs stopped caring about optimizing their shitty games.

>>378902525
not really, when you have firefox, chrome and a bunch of other shit open and you want to run a game on the side in windowed mode and put on a movie or series at the same time 8gb is fucking nothing.

>>378919123
>what is multi-channel memory

Protip: 4x4 can be a lot faster then 2x8 if your system supports quad channels.
Just like 2x4 is faster in dual channel then a single 1x8 stick of ram.

>>378919105
>hardware requirements change
>as technology becomes more advanced
what the fuck are you even talking about?
sounds like you heard some bullshit from a science video and decided to regurgitate it but you fucked up somewhere

Just say "developers are dumbasses that cant optimize properly and use the best hardware around to run their bloated codes"

>>378919320
does windowed mode put more strain on ram?

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When I ran GTAV in higher resolution than 1080p and realized it was using like 6GB or more of ram.
It seems like most recent open world games require more ram than normal games because of all the textures they need to load all the time and stuff like that.

Though theres still the problem that a lot of those games are horribly optimized and end up using more of your hardware than should be necessary.
>inb4 some retard denies that PC games are badly optimized

>>378918221
>What is Disc Defrag
Not needed in modern OSs.

>>378919524
Not him, but no, it shouldn't, but the point is that you're probably running it in windowed mode in order to have more stuff running besides it, and that would put additional strain on ram.

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>>378918221

>>378902276
8GB is enough for me. Sage.

>>378903880
And you don't want it accessing that memory because then your card turns into a 770.

>>378918635
>1069mhz
Hahaha, you idiot

>>378912372
Friendly reminder that this dumbass fried TWO of his systems because he wanted pretty lights in his case.

I never had 8GB. I went from 4 to 16. Glad I did because I regularly use over 8GB of RAM.

>>378918802
Just close the browser???
What in the fuck is wrong with you?

>>378904884
Not much. It's faster by a tiny bit, but it won't really change your experience.

>>378902276
When I couldn't open a super resolution screenshot I took because it would have taken over 10GB just to display it.

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>>378919948
>1069mhz
>tfw on 1063mhz

>>378919948
>doesn't know how ram speed is displayed
Hahaha, you idiot

>>378912339
LE EBIN BOTNET 10 MAY MAY XD

>>378920141
So, you're saying it's really 3200mhz?

>>378905538
>being this retarded

Every time you launch an application, every time you boot your computer, every time you search your porn folder for that video you can't find online anymore, you're using your SSD. 1080 is only good for playing games.

>>378902276
fucking ramlets

GET OUT

>>378920265
It's 2100MHz, which is good enough for gaming. The only recent game where ram speed actually made a difference was fallout 4.

>>378920298
Shaving off milliseconds on file loading is still worthless compared to getting better game experience, better rendering times and future-proofing your rig.

>>378920446
this really. The only time you should buy an SSD is if you are rich and have NOTHING left to upgrade.

At most I would recommend a 80gb SSD just got an OS but even then it's really not worth it.

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APL was a mistake. Since object oriented languages evolved people left the assembler scene and are now allocating 10 bytes when they only need 1.

>>378920446
For a laptop an SSD is absolutely necessary since it's portable and therefore prone to sudden movements. For a desktop all you really need is a small and cheap 64GB SSD for the OS along with all the hard drives you can get to put your gaymes and other stuff on.

>>378915438
Are you saying 240m yen or usd?

>>378920446
>future-proofing
honey

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>>378904814
>>378905538
>>378915854
>>378916891
>>378917532
>>378918221
>>378920446
>responding to bait this obvious

>>378921312
t. Triggered retard who spent hundreds of dollars on an SSD instead of a good GPU or CPU.

>>378921365
not subtle enough

>>378922668
Implying I'm not being completely honest

>>378922708
>no green text
that's better

>>378919320
>when you have firefox, chrome
Stopped reading there

>>378911247
I use amd, and I have more than 8gb.

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I like reading all this fancy computer talk but I have no idea what any of it means.

Most of the shitheads who argue that too many system resources can ever be a bad thing still have fucking VRAM turned on, running ram at disk speeds like retards.

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>>378919320
What kind of autist has multiple web pages open while watching a movie while playing a game?

>he doesnt convert his 500gb ssd to ram

fucking casuals

>>378919105
Dual core cpu like the kaby lake Pentium runs games just fine according to multiple benchmarks from people like digital foundry and hardware unboxed. The difference between the dual core Pentium and an i5 like a 7400 is just minimums. General gameplay is fine but you might get bigger frame drops due to the potential of hitting 100% usage being higher.
With ram it's a different story because 8gb can also be considered fine but it can make your pc super sluggish due to Windows automatically moving background apps to page file when you hit 70% ram utilization which means your apps like chrome running in the back are loaded in from the hdd when you close your game which makes your computer feel super sluggish. Page file can also make your games run like shit due to your hard drive having to work overtime which can cause freezes and stutter or pop in e.g. buildings not loading in gta 5.

A dual core system with 16gb ram can actually be smoother than a quad core with 8gb ram, all else being equal.

8GB is still enough
But 16GB is now recommended

>>378904884
Faster and lower power consumption

>>378905110
I would rather have a RX580/1060 with a nice SSD to make general usage faster than a 1080 with none
The difference between high-very high and ultra settings is tiny anyway

>>378912021
Why?
Should have gotten a FX8300 and 8GB instead
Would have been like 10$ more

>>378902525
you won't be able to play silky smooth zelda breath of the wild at 4k with 8gb ram, shader cache guzzles buckets of ram cum

>>378913180
Still solid
Comparable with a locked memelake i5 and a FX8350 in many games

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>not having at least 32 gigabytes of error-correcting code random access memory

>>378902276
when i needed to virtualize six routers inside of a virtual machine inside of a virtual machine

>>378902276
I rarely ever close the browser while playing and use multi monitor. Never had any issue with RAM and i only have 8GB.
We have a desktop PC we use as a mini server at work, it runs 16 virtual machines. Rarely ever reaches 32GB during full load, the CPU however...

>>378925737
You buy a better gpu for the frame rate boost, not the visual increase.

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>>378906097
retard

>>378923979
No autist would ever do that, they can't focus on more than one thing at the same time

>>378926558
>R7
>gtx 1080

1. Ryzen thrives on faster ram, this isn't some universal thing across all cpu generations

2. If there were any benefits from faster ram in a game you'd have to own a super fast gpu like a 1080 to gain the most from it anyway. Someone with a low/mainstream tier gpu wouldn't benefit much/at all because the gpu is the limiting factor. You can stick a gtx 750 ti in a ryzen 1800x system with 3800mhz ddr4 but it's not going to suddenly make the 750 ti run a game like witcher 3 at a locked 60 fps

He's right, in a realistic sense.

>>378902276
>Having less than 24GB of RAM
fucking poverty

>>378926558
if autism was an instrument, you'd be ray Charles.

>>378902276
I still use 2Gb

>>378904975
>only x512
You are small time

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>>378902276


When I built this toaster 4.5 years ago. Not the bestsystem, but she's served me well enough so far. Probably going to replace her in a couple of years.

>>378928461
What programm did you take this screenshot with?

>>378928631

Speccy.

4GB seems to be fine for browsing and low level stuff. 8GB is the standard for anything else. Never had any problems with memory usage. The bottleneck is always my GPU which can handle most games on high or max settings anyway

>>378902276
4x8 here
dev machine

>>378903532
Only a retard would assume more cores are better. It's all about single core strength.

>>378915438
I mean that's cool and all but fucking how, she looks no different than any other jap porn star.

>>378929991
...what does that even mean. We're near capping out on processor speed and running near cap kills the life of the CPU. Are you referring to the cache sizes?

>>378902276
>8GB RAM is not enough
games no, but if your actually using your PC for other things that are not childish as fuck yes

>>378930506
>childish
>yet he posts on v

>>378930984
>teachers at school are childish simply because they are at school
nice one kiddo

>>378931310
>trying this hard

>>378926558
what does those "LL" mean?

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>>378902276
Send help. And money.

>>378931995

>4gig
>DDR3

Anon, are you trying to kill me with phantom slowness?

I will upgrade when I get memory error. So far I never needed more than 6GB.

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>>378932125
Being poor fucking sucks.

>>378924180
>ssd
>as ram
You might as well use a cpu from the 90s.

>>378932323

Oh, I'm there. right now I'd love to splurge and buy RAM and maybe a new motherboard but I think to myself "Is it worth it? should I cancel my order? I need food."

>>378902276
Someone redpill me on DDR4 RAM. If it's so much fucking faster than DDR3, why do I still need 8GB (atleast) of DDR4?

That shit is expensive as fuck it's just another way to get you to buy new shit.

>>378932543

I mean, 8gigs is the standard at the moment anymore and you basically just want to open 20 tabs of porn.

>>378930092
>>378914893
Yuria is such a fucking semen demon. Anri is the most stacked pornstar on the planet and if I could have one be my sex slave for a year I would still choose Yuria.

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>>378902276
lol

2 years ago

Also recognized that my motherboard recognizes the additional RAM but it is unuseable for some reason and no amount of troubleshooting found the answer.

You don't need it for gaming, but you need it for regular useage since every browser is bloated as fuck now

>>378905287

Msi afterburner does

>>378909831
>3 sticks
>not weird

We're not LGA775 or whatever that had triple channel memory. RAM is made to work in two stick configurations.

>Don't play the latest vidya nor do I care about supereliteframerates or quality
>Get new decent laptop which happens to have 2 slots but 1 8gig stick
>Friend randomly smuggles me an extra 8gig stick out his companies' storage as a surprise
>Can now render next to fucking everything in Space Engine
I can become comfy

>>378902417
I'm literally using 9gb of ram on just chrome tabs right now

>>378932797
Use a better browser if even 8 fucking gb isn't enough, you imbecile.

Why are people ITT sperging out about other people having moor than 8GB of RAM?
Pretty weird desu

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>>378933220
>why are people sperging out on 4chan

>100GB compressed files on disk
>8GB ram is enough
I suppose the bytes go magically to your processor skipping the whole ram, cache thing. Or maybe you think the files on disk can be accessed just like that, without the need to load them to ram.

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>>378918928
No, you're wrong because most games are fine with 8gb RAM, it's you that should prove that there are games taking benefit of more than 8gb

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>>378918928

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>tfw getting older
>lesser time for vidya
>less motivation for vidya as I get older
>when I do play its older shit or lighter weight indies
>havent bought new consoles ps4, switch, wii u, xbox one
>get most games from GOG these days
>will almost never need 8gb ram let alone more

Aging is a bitch anon

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>>378918928
3

>>378902843
Firstly, your browser uses more because it has more to work with, otherwise it would limit itself accordingly. Secondly, you're a retard and most other people don't keep 80 tabs open at all times so even if browsers weren't programmed like that it still wouldn't be an issue for most people.

all of you faggots on windows 10 sicken me

>>378933495
>>378933547
>>378933615

>using FPS when more RAM is all about data streaming

Anon don't be fucking stupid.

>>378934165
>data streaming
I don't give a fuck about whatever that means, if I'm gonna upgrade something in my PC it has to give more FPS, if it doesn't it's useless

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I have 12gb and have only maxed it out playing Rust.

I upgraded my old 4GB computer with another 8GB and holy fuck it's like night and day.

It used to chug opening other programs while Chrome was running

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>>378934245
Your 60 FPS ain't gonna save you from textures not loading fast enough or missing geometry, idiot.

>>378934359
I have 8gb of ram and I never had any of these problems, fuck you

>>378934449
And you probably have some other budget parts so you are not even running the game at max settings. So?

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>>378934020
>mfw the PS2 emulator has worked much better in Win10 compared to 7 and 8.1

Do the RAM sticks have to be the same brand to work? I have 2x4gb of Hyperx RAM and I had another 2x4gb pair from Corsair but one of them died, so if I slap the 4gb Corsair one to have 12gb will it work?

>>378934502
emulators don't work like that

>>378934489
now you're just making shit up, just stop and let's all agree that 8gb is still fine

>>378934604
>poorfag mentality

>>378902276
When my fucking internet browser started memory leaking and would take up insane amounts of RAM. I enjoy shitposting/listening to videos while I play games so this is bullshit.

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Got the grand majority of this rig from a friend for $100. Nigga mailed it to me, just had to get a hard drive and some ram.

Originally came with a 550, but he later mailed me his old 770 and a brownie when he upgraded.

True ass homie, this man.

>>378934604
It won't be for long. I'm starting to notice I'll need more probably within the year.

>>378934664
>rig

>prebuilt alienware

at least you didn't buy it new like the retard he was.

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>>378902276

Actually pretty within about the last two years. Before then most games where pretty optimized to run to 360 level half gig of ram. I really need to rma my broken 8 gig stick so I can get my 16 gigs back

>>378934549
also forgot to mention, one is 1866 and the other 1333, maybe if I change speeds on BIOS so that they're both 1333?

>>378902276
GTAV

>>378934794
prety sure clock speeds and timings need to be the same. I wouldn't fuck with it personally.

>>378934865
You can use memory modules of different speeds as long as they are faster than those specified for your computer. It is recommended to use modules of the same speed as those already installed in your system. If you do mix speeds, the modules will all run at the speed of your slowest modules >>378934794

>>378934794
it is possible to mix different sticks of different speeds and brands, the computer will always set all ram to work at the slowest ram's speed. So if you buy a 2400 mhz ram stick to work next to a 1600 mhz ram stick, both will run at 1600 mhz (and at same timings)

>>378934974
>>378935013
alright thanks, I'll try it out and hope my PC doesn't blow up :^)

>>378921365
t. Poorfag
I have a good GPU/CPU, two SSDs, and one HDD.

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>>378912021
>Seagate

>>378911247
>Poorfag
By that definition, wouldn't poorfags use LESS RAM, not more?

Also media creation.

>>378902276
You'll know when it's not enough, then you upgrade. It's not like it's hard to add another stick.

>>378931506
>trying this hard
you should stop then

>>378902276
Haven't really played any modern Unoptimized™ or video games in general in past year or so I wouldn't know.

>>378907226
considering 90% of early access games have constant memory leaks that are almost never fixed, yes.

>>378918363
64gb ram is definitely what you'd want.

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>>378902843
>shitposting at 8GBs while only having 16GB
5'5 shittalking at a 5'4

My 10 year old PC finally died and I need a new one. Should I stick with GTX1060 or fork out he cash for GTX1080?
I am not very good at knowing computer parts.

>>378919484
>caring about memory bandwidth
>for watching youtube, playing videogames or shitposting on lebanese fingerpainting forums

You wouldn't notice a performance difference even if you had a single channel. Workloads requiring alot of bandwidth usually require ECC ram aswell, which requires locked down server boards with Xeons/memetrons, which are garbage for videogames thanks to their clocks anyway, may aswell upgrade to an AMD CPU at that point.

>>378937797
You better be using ramdisk if you're using this

>>378938170
you fucking know it, I abused the everloving fuck out of ramdisk speed in planetside 2 and many other games.
Getting dual xeons and ECC ram at like 16GB per 10 dollars was the best decision I made when it came to buying anything related to my computer.

>>378926558
>doesn't post timings
>graph doesn't even feature DDR3 speeds
>Ryzen benchmarks

makes your data invalid
makes your data pointless for the debate
makes your data irelevant in general, according to hardware surveys

8gb ram? My problem is my CPU isn't fast enough for anything above 60fps for modern games. 3.6ghz ain't enough to bruteforce 144fps.

>>378930438
What we were actually capping was AMD's competency to compete. I'm sure they'll find a way to increase IPC.

>>378932494
How 3rdwordian are you that you can't afford a 2nd hand RAM stick from whatever your local craigslist is for like 10 bucks? I live in a country where I can get 5kg of pork ribs for 10 bucks and even then I think it's cheap.

>>378917137
>buys nice pc >cucks himself with ram speed

>>378902276
I think I'm still on 4 and haven't seen any problems.

JUST LOL AT DUMB FUCKS HERE

"8 gb of RAM is fine"

Fine my ass. One Google Chrome window takes like 7.4 gb. Now, imagine with gaming lol.

Don't lksten to these dumb fucks that keep saying 8gb is enough for gaming, and that an i5 is enough too.

I got tricked hard by these comments with my build this year. My GPU was bottlenecked so hard I couldn't run games above 30 FPS on medium.