I want a gaming computer. Or a laptop. Don't know which

>>378872450
For games you will want
>Intel Kaby Lake i5 or i7
>Nvidia GTX 1060 or better
>8 GiB RAM or more

>>378872752
>8 GB or more
I would agree with this actually, games need more RAM these days, especially with Telemetry bullshit unless you are running Linux.

>>378872450
Desktop is much better
What is your budget?

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>>378872450
The one I parted out had an R5 1600x, gtx 1070, 16gb of ram plus all the other assorted parts (drives, psu, etc) for about $1k.

That seems to be the pricing sweet spot for a decently future-proofed box, but I'm waiting to see the price and performance of the new Vega cards before I make any purchases.

Anyway people will tell you you don't need more than 4 cores for gaming, and they're right for now, but in the future, applications are going to become more and more multi-threaded so you probably want to step up from a quad core.

>>378872752
If you're going for the i5-tier you're better off with AMD.
i7 7700K is unbeatable for games, though. If you have the money.
No point in getting that unless you also get a 1080 or 1080 Ti, by the way.

>>378873473
>m-muh cores
Back to /g/, shill.

>>378874306

So why aren't you still using a Pentium 4 then, faggot? It's single-core clock speed is on par with today's processors!

Hear that everyone? Captain dicknose here says multiple cores are just a meme! We can all just spend 9 dollars on a processor and it'll be just as good, the jews just want your shekels!


Fucking retard.

>>378872450

Don't fall for the gaming laptop meme.

Battery life on them will be shit, and you're going to need to always be plugged in.

Unless you're a travel fag, which in that case your could just play shit on your phone

>>378874993
4 cores is reasonable because it leaves sufficient room for multitasking. 8-16 cores on a slow processor is just dumb.

Also, clock speed isn't everything. If you think Pentium 4 is even comparable to modern CPUs you're just dumb.

>>378875238
>4 cores is reasonable because it leaves sufficient room for multitasking.

For now.

>8-16 cores on a slow processor is just dumb.

Except they're not slow, you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>Also, clock speed isn't everything. If you think Pentium 4 is even comparable to modern CPUs you're just dumb.

The fact that you even responded to that obvious sarcasm remotely seriously shows how incredibly ignorant you are.

>>378875571
>hurr durr, I was just pretending to be retarded
Okay m8

>>378873471
id like to be under 1.7k

>>378875737

The fact that you can't tell the difference between a joke and someone being a retard isn't my problem.

m8

>>378875845
Then you can easily get a top-shelf 1080 Ti, i7 7700K build with a big SSD and water cooling.

You're not gonna get good answers here.

I paid $1800 for my Corsair One and I love it so far, it's played everything on max so far and I didn't have to learn about or build one.

>>378876450

I will need to buy a monitor eventually too

>>378872450
>>378875845
desktop is ALWAYS superior choice.
Your budget is insanely high. I'd never build a PC that's above 1000 bucks, but that's just me.

Go with Intel's CPU and Nvidia's GPU.

Get a desktop unless you absolutely need the portability of a laptop.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

>>378877275

Do you have any strong suggestions for lower cost but very effective gaming desktops?

I dont mind saving money. I want something that is pre-built. I dont really need something with insane graphics. But just impressive and no fps dips.

>>378878070
just build one it' fun and pretty easy.

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>>378877414
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
+
https://pcpartpicker.com/
is all you need, can't go wrong

>>378878070
You build your own dream machine. Pre-builds are bloat filled trash with bloated prices, most of the time.

Something like Intel i5 + cheapest matching MoBo + 8GB RAM + GTX 1060 6GB + 500W 80+Bronze PSU + CD key of W7 Ultimate off internet, in a no-name case, would cost ya mere 500-600 bucks at best, and 1080p / 60fps anything at High settings at the moment.

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>>378872752
>>Intel Kaby Lake i5 or i7
>>Nvidia GTX 1060 or better
>>8 GiB RAM or more
This is basically what I am aiming at but for something like Total Warhammer, would I definitely need an i7?

>>378878487

Ok im going to give it a shot. I will use

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

as a reference.

>>378878831
No.
Heck, most games out there run fine with those new Pentium G4000-series poorfag CPUs, thanks to majority of games out there being GPU relying.

>>378878487
>>378878898

OP here still, thats another thing I wanted to add. I'd like the case to be professional. I had once bought a Digital Storm computer when I was 16 (23 now) and it had blue lighting and all, but I don't really want that now.

>>378878898
Attaboy.
There's also tons of good tutorials and example builds on Youtube.

Just don't fall for meme-brand cases with flashing lights, and double consider your need for a (huge) SSD. Regular 7200rpm HDDs are way cheaper, as in you can get multiple terabytes for less than 100 bucks.

>>378872752
>2017
>4 cores

>>378879007
>I'd like the case to be professional
like said above, don't become a Diva with exteriors. There's nothing "professional" about flashing lights. Pros go with barebones ThinkPad designs with no bells nor whistles, minimalistic and utilitarian looks.

if you pay over 100 bucks for the case alone, you're doing it wrong

This will do just fine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kHWWLD

>>378878487
>500-600 bucks at best

>>378879007
>I'd like the case to be professional
So buy one. Seriously, it's just that easy.

Be sure to pay attention to the size of the motherboard and case you are buying! Either a full-tower (overkill) or mid-tower would have no problem fitting any components. Anything smaller than that would require you to verify the size of the components before your order them.

>>378879185
>20XX (X < 3)
>vidya utilising more than 2 cores

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>>378879287
>AMD CPU
>AMD GPU
you really wanna murder OP with fire?

>>378874216
Depending on what you're looking to do there's very little reason to get one just because you also had a 1080/Ti.

>>378879287
Forgot to include a SSD
While optional, it is really nice to have
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8jH48d/sandisk-ssd-plus-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-sdssda-240g-g26

>>378879451
>>378878487
>>500-600 bucks at best
Bah, meant to say that you Americans are extremely lucky with the prices. Literally impossible to build the same in Europe for less than 800 eurobux.

>>378879451
Even fucking Nier Automata (a rather poor console port) uses 16 threads without a problem

>>378879505
>buying infernolake instead
Enjoy that 100C under load

>>378879505
4/580 series are relatively cool though
Ryzen is also way more efficient

if you actually travel a lot then maybe get a laptop but for 99% of people a desktop is much better and cheaper. go on pcpartpicker and find something in your budget and watch some 30 minute build tutorial on YouTube and build it your self. even if you don't want to you will need to learn about it anyways when parts break or you need an upgrade

>>378879505
Wrong era buddy
New AMD stuff has lower TDP than Intel (GPU wise, nVidia is still in the lead over all, we wait for Vega & Navi)

>>378879565
>that
>bad
Fuck you man in my country literally every fucking thing imported from a foreign country basically costs your life if your married or have children and costs an arm and a leg if you're a lonely drone.

>>378879451
>20XX (X < 3)
>vidya utilising more than 2 cores
Maybe if all you play are shitty indie games made with unity

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>>378879505
>>378879740
>bitching about temps
>the one thing that's a constant back and forth between AMD, Nvidia and Intel
>not the constant fact that AMD has not produced reliable drivers for the past 3 decades

>>378879915
What's this meme about AMD drivers anyway.
I've used an AMD R9 270x for around 4 years now and have not encountered any major problems whatsoever.

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>>378872450
Do you want AMD or Nvidia/Intel? If you don't know then you need do more homework on what you want. Muh gaming computer is a meme unless you know what parts you want and don't want to get scammed.

>>378880083
>What's this meme about AMD drivers anyway.
I'm not going to list every game where AMD's drivers have fucked up. Just the latest one I've had the pleasure of trying to fix for a friend (stopped falling for AMD a long time ago myself): Endless Space 2.

>>378880317
I guess i just got lucky a bit.
Everything i play these days works on my machine after all.

>>378880241
I've got to agree with this anon. If you haven't picked a side in the AMD/Nvidia war already, you are not prepared for PC gaming.

Desktops offer much better performance for your dollar; portability is a premium.

What you should get depends on your needs. 1080p, 4k, 144hertz, video editing, streaming?

Basically any quad core CPU will suffice. 3.5-ish gigahertz can be bought pretty cheap. Don't cheap out if you're going to do any editing or streaming.

For the video card, 2 gigabytes of VRAM is the absolute minimum, though those are starting to show their age these days. The higher the core clock speed and number of CUDA cores, the better. Find a good balance between performance and your budget.

8Gigs of memory is the minimum for a gaming machine these days, unless you just want to play games made before 2012. Don't worry about RAM speed if you're getting a cheap budget build, just the cheapest that your motherboard of choice supports. Higher RAM speed only helps on more powerful systems.

Speaking of motherboards, if you're not planning on overclocking don't get a board or CPU that is capable of overclocking. Save your money for now and worry about that stuff later if you want to bother with that.

A low-end system only needs a 400 or 500 watt power supply. Higher end systems don't need that much most of the time either. 600 or 700 should suffice for just about anything. Newegg recommends power supply capacity on graphics card pages.

Generally, the more you want the computer to do, the more you'll have to spend. If you're fine with 1080p 60fps, you can survive on a ~$300 build. If you want a higher resolution or refresh rate, add a few hundred more to squeeze in a better CPU and graphics card. Don't skim on one or two parts. All or nothing unless you're okay with bottlenecks. A GTX 1080ti is a waste of money with a dual-core CPU and 4 gigs of RAM.

Put your operating system on a small-capacity SSD and everything else on a hard drive. A 1 terabyte HDD is pretty cheap but the same amount will only get about 250 gigabytes. Lightning fast boot-up!

>>378880317
Playing Endless Space 2 just fine on my 290

>>378878487
>paying for Windows
Why tho

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>>378874216
>i7 7700K is unbeatable for games, though.
Not with those frametimes

>>378878487
>i5
>windows 7 because who needs new games anyway (no DX12)
>only 8GB RAM

>>378880776
Of course it works now. Devs disable features AMD can't handle.

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forums/65-general/threads/25594-preview-branches-preview-1-03-and-fixamd-1-03?page=1

>>378880885
>AMD making up new criteria for benchmarking because they always do badly on the conventional tests
Here we go again

>>378874216
>>378880885
>i7 7700K is unbeatable for games
Locked into Windows 10, fuck that. i7 6700k is far superior and can be marginally overclocked to 7700k speeds. It's only a 7-8% difference.

>>378881041
Except that testing frametimes was common for more than a decade already
And the average frametime/framerate
is also better on AMD

>>378880543
Whats the AMD/Nvidia war and the pros and cons of each?
[OP here]


>>378880753
Thanks, purely gaming. Some games, I'd like them to run smooth.


Sorry for this following list of games I use to play (not necessarily what I will play now, just an example)

Day Z
Runescape on Max
Maplestory on Max
Fallout New Vegas/All TES games
Planetside 2
Mabinogi
Occasional random MMOS like 9Dragons


I just want to be able to play games without any FPS dips with a pretty good graphics setting (does not have to be the best in the world)

>>378878070
>Do you have any strong suggestions for lower cost but very effective gaming desktops?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/guide/hc7Ycf/entry-level-gaming-build

>>378881275
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/guide/hc7Ycf/entry-level-gaming-build
>>378881370


Thanks for the suggestion [ OP here again]

Additional thing, my Digital Storm computer which was overclocked died after 2 years, just starting crashing and was murked eventually. I want a computer that will survive

>>378881275
>Whats the AMD/Nvidia war and the pros and cons of each?
AMD is currently the budget choice for GPU
RX570 and 580 are perfectly capable of 1080p and 1440p, but you will have to drop some settings down a notch (usually not noticeable)
Currently the 580 is the best value
The 1060 6GB is slightly weaker than the 580 and has 2GB less VRAM, but its still a good choice if its considerably cheaper
1070 is on average 35% faster than the 580 (from 10% in DOOM and some DX12 titles to 50% in Fallout 4 and GTA V)
Great card, but expensive
1080 and 1080ti is where shit gets really expensive
Recommend them if playing at 2160p (4k), but otherwise go for a cheaper card

>>378879007
fractal design

>>378881590
>I want a computer that will survive
1. Don't overclock (someone who is more experienced would be able to make a stable overclock but your aren't that guy)
2. Almost every component bought new is almost certainly good and won't fail under normal usage even after 5+ years.
3. Only risky components are PSU and the HSF if you buy some noname Chinese brand.

Everything else is about not fucking up the physical assembly. Watch many videos showing builds, read EVERY page of every manual of every part you buy. It's not complex, it's simply long and takes patience.

>>378881219
>Locked into Windows 10
It's not.
Win 7 is just not "supported".

The newest AMD CPUs are literally locked to Win10, though there are some workarounds that maybe kind of work.

>>378882234
Both are the same
Not supported, but you can installl it just fine

>>378879185
>tfw built PC in march
>i5 7600k
>i9 is coming out soon
FUUUUCK

>>378872752
8GB is the minimum for gaymen these days, for any new build I'd recommend 2x8GB, but if you go for 2x4GB you can still add another later 2x4GB if necessary.

>>378882151
>1. Don't overclock (someone who is more experienced would be able to make a stable overclock but your aren't that guy)
What are you smoking?
Overclocking is just pushing a fucking button these days. The stability test runs itself and then you're good to go.

>>378882405
Not true. You need a fan-made hack for the latest AMD.

>>378882151
This. Wiring up the motherboard was probably the most difficult thing I had to do. A ~20 minute youtube video made it easy though. Make sure you snag updated bios from the Mobo manufacturer. The mobo will have a method of updating without a start up process. Read the mobo manual for instructions.

>>378881759
The RX 570 and RX 580 are loud and have enormous power consumption compared to a GTX 1060.

>>378882606
Like 30W more
Not much

>>378872450
Never ever get a gaming laptop. It's just going to be an underpowered expensive piece of shit that won't stop overheating and is a pain in the ass to upgrade.

Unless you're travelling all the time there's no reason to get a laptop, even then you can get small PC cases that are really easy to transport

>>378872752
>>378882435
Don't listen to that guy. 8GB RAM is compeltely fine - What matters is RAM speed and CL latency rating.
Especially for AMD CPUs, you want very fast RAM for some reason.
Also, remember that CL rating gets worse the faster the card is, so a 3200mhz CL16 is better than a 2666mhz CL15.

Also, also, always go for two cards rather than one. It's cheaper and modern CPUs can use the two for separate tasks at the same time, making it more effective.

Make sure your mobo supports the speed of the RAM. And for god's sake, don't buy anything other than DDR4.

>>378882151
>Everything else is about not fucking up the physical assembly. Watch many videos showing builds, read EVERY page of every manual of every part you buy.
Lolwut, I literally just guessed based on how the cables and plugs looked. The cables will only fit where they're meant to go, so it's almost impossible to do anything wrong.

>>378882906
>Also, also, always go for two cards rather than one.
Am I being rused? Crossifre and SLI are both trash even in 2017.

>>378882906
16GB isnt really that expensive anymore and nice to have
Allows you to have a lot of stuff open in the background while gaming
Agree with the fast RAM, but don't spend too much on it
A somewhat cheap 2933Mhz or 3200Mhz kit (using g.skill ripjaws V 3200 myself) are perfect for ryzen

>>378883138
Don't make me post /g/ore. Someone who has never done a build can fuck up spectacularly even if you give him something foolproof.

>>378883151
Two RAM cards, ya dingus

>>378883159
True enough. I'm just saying it's not strictly necessary at the moment.
You could even get by on 4GB RAM still for 99% of all modern games.

I'd still go for 16GB, since it's not that expensive.

>>378882906
Quite a few games can max out 8GB and crash these days. Especially sandbox-ish games where you can build things, and heavily modded games.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BM9n4C
How's my pc, I want to play Destiny 2, Tekken 7, Witcher 3, Doom, and shit like overwatch/lol/hearthstone

>>378883138
This. Literally just match the shapes

>>378883368
>Quite a few games can max out 8GB and crash these days. Especially sandbox-ish games where you can build things
I don't believe you.
What games are those?

>and heavily modded games
Well, that's true - But often that's the engine crashing because it doesn't support so huge texture loads - not the RAM itself being overloaded.

>G4560
>RX 570 or 580
>8gb RAM

You don't need to spend anywhere near 1.7K.

>>378883474
Lol, you'll be bale to play them in 4K with that.
Do get faster RAM, though. 3200mhz.

>>378883541
H1Z1

>>378883589
The G4560 will not give you 144 FPS in modern games.

>>378883695
Oops my bad, Should have read the thread more.

>>378883693
Huh, okay.
Well, that's just a terribly buggy and unoptimized game all over, though.

>>378883474
meme/10

>>378872752
>>Intel Kaby Lake i5 or i7
No.

>>378872450
Gaming laptops are meme tier. They get way too hot, the keyboards suck, the screens suck, they're underpowered, and they can't be upgraded. The only reason to get a laptop is if your lifestyle takes you away from home too often to play games.

>>378884109
why not

>>378883695
Then replace the G4560 with the Ryzen 1600 and its good for 144Hz
16GB RAM would also be nice

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>>378884337
>>>/g/60709851

>>378884118
>They get way too hot, the keyboards suck, the screens suck, they're underpowered, and they can't be upgraded.
t: someone living in 2006 / investing in shitty brands.

>>378884563
>/g/
those faggots just told me to buy an i5 just a few months ago..
Said AMD was trash, and I should kill myself for thinking about buying a i7 for gaming. Get i5 they said

>>378884779
and they are correct, what the fuck you need an i7 for gaming for unless you are streaming/recording+editing it.

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>>378884779
You did right.
Ryzen is only good in cinebench which has no relation to gaming.

>>378885027
see >>378879185

>>378878831
Probably not, but I have one and it's godly.

>>378884779
>/g/ is one person
You get different recommendations depending on the time of day. Every time I asked I got a different one.

In the end I got an i7 7700k and didn't look back.

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>>378885071

>>378885626
you're a retard then

>>378885782
/g/ pls go.

>>378872450
get a gtx 1070. best gpu for the price right now. you get like 50% more performance over a 1060 for about 30% more cost

>>378885891
It's your dosh, good job wasting it

Are there ANY good laptops?

I have a PC but wont be able to access it for 5 months, all I have space for is a PS4 and laptop

>>378886050
Thanks.
I've suffered enough AMD over the years and thought I'd actually treat myself for once.

>>378886176
>Are there ANY good laptops?
No. Build yourself a mini-PC and carry that in a bag.

>>378886176
I'm guessing what you could be looking for is anything with a decent screen and 1060 or better, so there's a huge selection available.

>>378872973
I've barely played a game all spring and I'm constantly running out of RAM despite having 8

>>378886448
close your chrome tabs

>>378886264
>Build yourself a mini-PC and carry that in a bag.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/ngH9TW/portable-lan-build

>>378872450
R5 1600x and RX 480 (or 470)
8GB RAM
SSD, 128GB is fine for OS, but keep in mind you don't want to have 5 SSDs in your computer, SATA cables everywhere.
So instead I would recommend 256, or 512, depending on your need.

>>378886176
>Are there ANY good laptops?
Describe "good".
You can get a fine work-horse business ThinkPads with i7 CPU and some Nvidia card for less than 400 bucks. It won't run Witcher 3 on highest settings, if at all, but majority of early 2010s and older stuff nice at 720p.

Nowadays there's even those machines with "desktop GPUs" in them (GTX 1050 - 1070). Those obviously will perform great in games, but you once again pay a lot of extra for the portable formfactor alone. Obviously upgradin 'em is also next to impossible.

>>378886536
but i need them to live

>>378886962
>AMD crap
>falling for the SSD meme
this is some low quality bait.

>>378886962
Then, rebuild your budget while you judge what you REALLY need.
Years later you will be happy to have so much money you cfan spend on something ESSENTIAL.

Get a SFF PC you can take with you and a good WiFi keyboard for when your kodi configuration shits out on you or you just want to tinker your emulator settings from your couch.

>>378887223
You might think I've actually fallen for your bait.

>>378886962
This
Maybe get 16GB RAM
Not that expensive and nice to have

So can I mix a RX580 and an i7?

>>378886962
>SSD
>instead of getting a less shit GPU or CPU
What is wrong with you?
I'd rather get better/more RAM than an SSD for vidyer games.

>>378887583
>>378887583
Sure if you want to burn your house down lol

>>378884563
>/g/

Question for all you pros out there. Is there a difference between and SSD and m.2 SSD for Gaming? Load times or anything like that?

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>>378886962
>recommending SSD instead of getting better parts
This is the reason why you should not follow any advice on 4chan.
>8gb ram
For fucksake
>R5 1600x and RX 480 (or 470)
R1600x is fine but for gaming, i5 7600 is better in gaming(better averages in gaming benchmarks). 1600x really edges i5 in some games but really worse in others. 7600 is also cheaper than 1600x. Just go with the i7 7700k especially if you're not a retard that chooses SSDs instead of getting better parts elsewhere

>>378889374
A SSD might not help with gaming, but makes general usage much faster and snappier
And the i5 7600 sucks ass compared to the 1600x

>>378889737
>A SSD might not help with gaming, but makes general usage much faster and snappier
This is the same as getting racing tires for your shit car.
>i5 7600 sucks ass compared to the 1600x
lol no.

>>378888575
light-based cpus
never

>>378888575
Vega and Navi.

>>378890063
I literally noticed no difference when I got an SSD. The only difference I noticed was massive files moved faster. It's not really worth forking over 400$+ for TB SSD.

Also SSD's are a pain in the ass to drive wipe.

>>378878070
> I want something that is pre-built
No you don't. I built a PC for the first time last summer, spent about 1000 dollars on it. Out of curiosity I went and used a couple of other sites to imitate the build as closely as I could. Every site charged me 40-50% more for the SAME parts. Your budget is considerably higher than mine, you're going to be sending upwards of 5 or 6 hundred dollars down the drain for nothing. Unless that sounds like fun to you, I'd suggest you learn to assemble one on your own. It's like building with LEGOs, although some might say it's even easier since you can put LEGOs in the wrong spot when assembling shit, PC parts are literally designed in such a way that you can't bolt or plug shit in the wrong way on accident.

>>378892681
>He hates prebuilts
You can get good deals on sites like amazon and ebay. I got a prebuilt with an rx480, i5-6500,1TB,Window 10Pro,8GB ram for about 500$

People are gonna say gaming laptops are absolute shit, and I won't deny they aren't as good as desktops. But I like mine because HDMI cable makes it easy as hell to just share games with people. And with the Switch's popularity, sharing this hobby is becoming more appealing.

But if you want highest power, laptop is not the option.

>>378893115
>You can get good deals on sites like amazon and ebay
Absolute bullshit.

>>378883541
Cities Skylines can go over 8GB and crash if you enable all tiles and build a large city. Technically modding but it's a very small and must-have mod.

I've read of people having trouble with some maps in Rising Storm 2 going over 8GB as well.

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>>378882906
if you do go with Ryzen, make sure you check your motherboard's qvl for compatible ram or else you'll be a dickhead like me with 3200mhz ram that refuses to post with any overclock

>>378893546
>Absolute bullshit.
You are not looking hard enough tbqh. Also you have to be patient.

>>378873473
that's pretty much my build although I went with a 1600 that's currently overclocked to 3.6ghz on stock cooler

>>378894815
>said the Anon advocating pre-built PCs
Oh, the ironing

>>378894926
Building a PC isn't hard? I'm saying you can wait for a good price on parts, it coming preassembled is just frosting on the cake.

>>378872450
does that pc have actual graphics?

>>378888035
in some games, there's literally no difference between an HDD and SSD