https://torrentfreak.com/new-contro l-denuvo-piracy-protecti

>>378861226
dope, can we just end DRM?

>>378861226
It's ironic that hearing news that a game is now available to pirate makes me want to buy it. Fuck Denuvo

good morning faggot

>cracking some indie game nobody cared about sends denuvo into a panic

would've been funnier to crack some AAA shit a day after it came out just to see how hurtbutt EA or Ubishit would've gotten about it.

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>post yfw Denuvo goes out of business

>>378861773
honestly, for some reason a lot of people were excited about this game. I don't get it. Looks pretty mediocre but I guess people liked the aesthetic

>>378861773
>>378861773
Nier was cracked

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>>378861885

>>378862060
he said a AAA game

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>>378861391
Not while dumbfuck suits exist.

>>378861885
Haven't they gone out of business like 3 times already?

>>378861887
I think part of the reason is that even games that most people don't care about aren't getting shit for denuvo protection.

But haven't many AAA games been cracked within a week already?

Didnt the rime devs say that if the game was cracked they would give shit for free or something?
Like taunting pirates?

>>378861391
Blame steam. If it wasn't for them and their 30% cut, you wouldn't have seen the big publishers create their own DRM platforms.

>>378863610
Oh well is a good exercise for the crackers, they love craking stuff.

>>378863745

No. If you took that as a taunt then you're as sensitive as I believe all pirates to be.

What he said was that he wanted Denuvo to prevent any unintentional bugs / crashes to occur through pirated copies of the game. If it were to be cracked he'll just remove Denuvo entirely.

>check the steam forums thread about them removing denuvo
>an autist going DENUVO IS NOT DRM DENUVO IS NOT DRM DENUVO IS NOT DRM in there

>>378864108
It's the modder guy that puts "no piratez allowed" in his mods, isn't it?

>>378864379
Yes.

He also says that GOG is DRM because they offer refunds.

>>378864379
>>378864483
>I considered donating to him back when ToBfix came out

dodged a bullet

>>378864108
He's right, Denuvo isn't DRM it's anti-tamper software, which makes it very useful when combined with DRM like Origin or Steam.

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>>378861885
It's like Christmas!

>>378864483
I wanna see that logic written and drawn on paper.

>>378861885
thats impossible if sony keeps funneling money away from the playstation divisons to the movie division and other failing branches, they'l never go out of business

>>378862174
What makes you think Nier Automata isn't AAA?

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Can the Denuvo meme finally end? It gets cracked all the fucking time

>>378865513
You were in another thread bitching about how Denuvo isn't DRM.
Okay, it's just malware.

Better?

I thought GOG had a shitty refund policy, like they'd reject a refund if you downloaded the game installer since there's no DRM package protecting it. It would be autistic waste of time and small bank transaction fees to use GOG as a direct download mirror instead of just torrenting their installers, of course.

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>>378865745
If you are dumb enough to bite that bait, then you deserve whatever you get.

>>378864108
>moder puts check in so you can't use mod if you didnt buy the game

>>378865513
This is the stupidest fucking distinction ever. Preventing someone from tampering with your software is precisely DRM. It is software designed to manage your digital rights. It is by all definitions a form of DRM.

>>378861226

Karma is a bitch.

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>>378863953
>"and their 30% cut"
>publishers get 70% from steam sales
>while in retail they only get 45%

>>378866074
It's just marketing speech. Some people apparently buy into it.

>>378866034
You mean the modder than put in malware to destroy any iso mounting programs? Or the same modder who got banned for infecting people with malware if they had any cracks at all?
That modder?

>denuvo manages to slow down cracks for about 3 days to 3 weeks
>/v/ goes apeshit for some reason
>denuvo is DESTROYING YOUR SSD!!!!!!111
>denuvo is MINING WITH YOUR CPU AND GPU
>denuvo is dropping framerate with at LEAST 20 FPS!!!!!

Fucking paranoia-mongers are dictating your feeling about denuvo you retards

>inb4 the pastebin list of bullshit
all of that is proven to be fake/exaggerated

>>378861773
It's their latest build of the shit. I think it has less to do with what game it is and more to do with the message it sends. If they can't even protect some shit no name indie game, would you trust them with your hundred million dollar triple A title?

>>378861773
>indie game nobody cared about
>cracked

yes this means AAA games stand no chance in hell especially if this is denuvo at its very best

>>378866284
Just like your claims are fake/exaggerated?

See, logic only works when you don't have to face your own.
Denuvo is malware, regardless of how you want to phrase it.

>>378866284
>people will unironically defend DRM nowadays
I want off this ride

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giv dishonored 2 pls

>>378866453
second half of millenials and gen-Z are the biggest fucking idiots to ever grace the earth

>>378866453
Nothing wrong with DRM on some basic level.
DRM that's really malware, alá Denuvo or Securom is a problem.

>>378861396
>game is now available to pirate makes me want to buy it.
Developers, publishers, this is literally how I think. Usually won't even look at a game if it hasn't passed the test. (being cracked)

>>378863953
We're talking about Denuvo, a form of DRM added to games which (on PC) are probably sold primarily through Steam. The Denuvo is not getting them more than 70%.

>>378861226
Is nier cracked yet?

>>378861773

Indie devs can't afford to pay off crackers.

All the big players actually pay crackers off, so they don't release their cracks for a while.

>/v/ always complains about shit games being popular

>/v/ always pirates the games they claim to love. Said games usually sell terribly

>/v/ whines about how people have shit taste because the game they pirated sold terribly

>>378866245
Doing gods work

>>378866829
Absolutely agreed. It's showing us that cunts like that get banned and are nothing more than an example of how to be a cunt and fuck up your fanbase.

I'm glad retards like that exist so they can't get an actual job in the industry.

Sniper Elite 4 when? I really dislike their jewish tactics on PC. Or anti-jewish.

>>378866781
Have you been living in a cave or what?

THANK YOU BASED PIRATES

DENUVO BTFO
B
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F
O

>>378864483
>He also says that GOG is DRM because they offer refunds

What?

>>378865810
B-but muh v5 anon... it will be uncrackable, r-right?

still can't ps4

>>378861885
Remember SecuROM? They already did. Since they are sucking Sony's dick i doubt they'll run out of money any time soon though.

>>378868038
Because after 30 days (the refund period) their license conditions change (can no longer refund), hence it's drm.

Don't ask me the logic behind that.

>>378866114
Shhhhh! Don't let the millennials realize that their super awesome game they bought at Gamestop has all its proceeds go completely to the studio #forthedevs

>>378866823
But /v/ told me pirates rule the industry

>>378861885
Sony will just buy out another upcoming tech company that is working on another DRM system that prevents pirates from cracking their game by blowing up your toaster in the house if you touch the source code.

Sony has been doing this since the dawn of man.

>>378866597
>Nothing wrong with DRM on some basic level.

Literally fucking kill yourself

I bet you're the kind of faggot that thinks it's okay to sell "the lisence to play a game" instead of the actual product too.

>>378861226
Isn't Denuvo kind of a shit?

I mean, they don't create anything good - like games. They actually just make money from publishers fear of pirates. They are leeches and nothing more, worse than the pirates themselves. If Denuvo wants to stay in business then they rely on the existence of piracy in the first place.
What a shit product.

>>378866823
>bought StarForge
>it flops
>pirated Minecraft
>it's a hit
what did I do wrong?

>>378868195
Denuvo devs ripped off SecuROM, and it helped early cracks greatly.
Remember StarForce?

>>378861226
Doesn't denuvo emulate the game or some shit and as result it gets terrible performance? I remember seeing this when Tomb Raider came out but I could just be retarded

>>378868689
You didn't buy more copies of starforge
You pirated only one copy of minecraft

>performance has increased after Denuvo removed from Rime
So remember, if a dev puts Denuvo into a game you should not purchase it on principle alone. They've decided to fuck over customers just to make it look like they're stopping pirates, and are not worthy of your cash.

>>378868783
My DVD-rom doesn't because it's dead.
I know i'm probably minority but it legit fucked it up unless it was a super coincidence.

>>378868374
There's no such thing as getting 100% of profits in any business you retard
You faggots are just as uninformed as the millennials

>>378868959
If I redownloaded it 10 times more, would it make Notch cry?

>>378868793
Denuvo runs a VM. Imagine running windows OS inside another windows OS for extremely simplistic explanation (but not completely accurate)

>>378868978
It's not a coincidence. I got off "lightly", with this piece of shit fucking up my BIOS and not recognizing its own CDs.

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>>378861885

>>378869096
>The point
>Your head
WAOWEE I'm a complete factoid and am not just mimicking society as the dumpsterfire it is today.

>>378868565
There really isn't.

>>378868565
You bought into an agreement unaware of what you were actually getting so the only idiot is you. Not to mention that the only reason to crack DRM is so you can play a pirated copy in the first place. I don't care that you fags pirate, what bugs me is that you try to justify it and your rampant entitlement

>>378868793
The cause is code obfuscation. JC3 had several seconds-per-frame on release, and it hasn't been improved much.

>>378869186
Wouldn't be surprised to be honest. Funny thing is it didn't die completely. It turned into a CD-rom. At least i had a second one so it wasn't too bad but shit sucked. Just pirated them Heroes 5.

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>a shitty rpg like two worlds 2 has a better working drm than denuvo

>mfw

>>378868665
Aren't Insurance agents kind of a shit?

I mean, they don't create anything good - like cars. They actually just make money from people valuing their possessions. They are leeches and nothing more, worse than the thieves themselves. If Insurance agents want to stay in business then they rely on the existence of thieves in the first place.
What a shit product.

>>378869190
You aren't making any points you dumb fucking spastic, shut the fuck up.

>>378869353
Insurance agencies pay out of you are thieved from.
Does Denuvo pay out when their product gets cracked?

>>378868485
Sony truly are the saviors of gaming.

>>378869353
Be careful, some idiots actually think insurance is bad these days

We should send DRM devs to GNUlag

>>378868485
>sony
>drm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>378869468
No, because if car thieves were as autistic as video game pirates they would stop being a profitable business.

>>378869721
Are you dense

>>378869468
The point of crack protection isn't to stop it but to prevent it long enough that your game can make a profit. Games that get cracked early tend to have poor sales

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Just wondering, how "repeatable" are the latest cracks? Do they have to start all over again with each game or can they reuse the same techniques? Non-technical answers, please.

>>378869468
>Does Denuvo pay out when their product gets cracked?
Kinda. They give a refund if take Denuvo out of the game if it gets cracked

>>378869802
>Games that get cracked early tend to have poor sales
Citation needed.

>>378869756
>they would stop being a profitable business.
So why is it okay for DRM to be a profitable business?

>>378869841
Even if it's not, they will run out of tricks sooner or later.

>>378869772
>consoles start bricking thanks to amazing drm technology

Remember to download the update goy

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>>378861885

>>378869865
Contra 4

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>>378869802
>Games that get cracked early tend to have poor sales

Nope

>>378869960
Because companies want to prevent people like you from getting their games for free and not paying them. You also ignore the fact that car theft is also illegal

>>378869802
>Games that are shit tend to have poor sales
fixed

>>378870998
I think it's more accurate to say that competing companies want to throttle consumers of other platforms.

Denuvo's authentication servers are monitored by Sony, after all.

>>378870917
it was based italians who cracked denuvo tho

>>378869721
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Tell me again how Sony doesn't do any kinda bad DRM.

>>378871741
Baldman cracked Denuvo v4 x64

>>378871967
>2005
Sup grandpa

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>>378866669
This, I used to tolerate denuvo when it allowed me to play offline, when Tales of Berseria didn't open when my internet was out, that was the last straw.

>>378861226
People should stop cracking Denuvo, game companies are just going to go to microsoft and that cannot be cracked properly.

>>378863610
As a lawfag they are not 100% wrong

If someone accuses them of not protecting their property and they succeed it means anyone can take their property

They could just put a warning at the intro of the game though against piracy and it might have been enough

>>378866507
>giv dishonored 2 pls
It is a buggy piece of shit that may run or may not run on your PC.

Your PC covering the system demands of the game is not factored into this so it may still not run.

There is a reason why nobody is talking about the game.
It is broken so even the shills try not to bring attention to it.

>>378861226
>>>/t/

>>378872470
I keep hearing this shit from armchair lawyers (not accusing you), but then people like Neil Gaiman say that's bullshit, so I don't know what to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

>>378861226
What else were they supposed to do?

One lost game=One lost sale

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>>378861885

>>378872213
>sales completely dry out
>yeah we showed them by going in bed with microsoft
You are delusional.People are not suddenly going to start buying garbage games just cus they can't be cracked.

The best way to make sure that your game will be bought is to make it:
1.a good game(whoaa who would have thunk)
2.a game that is targeted at a specific audience(you can't please everyone dumbass)
3.fairly priced game(if you overcharge, people will skip your game and wait to buy it from a sale)

>>378872470
You really think patent trolls wouldn't be all up over that?

There's thousands of games out there with no DRM, and yet this situation did not happen even a single time. Just coincidence right?

>>378865745
>What makes you think Nier Automata isn't AAA?


>Every thread is nothing except talking about 2Bs ass

I love ass as much as the next guy but when the threads are all about that and don't even talk about the gameplay it shows how shallow and boring it really is.

Moral/buyfags on SUICIDE WATCH

>>378872924
They should have taken their losses like reasonable people. But they fucked up, they crossed us.

I have the Rime torrent constantly running on my computer, every time it finishes I delete it and download it again. I've cost them hundreds of sales already, and I'll cost them much more yet.

>>378861226
meh, doesn't matter when each new game has a different denuvo encryption.

you get lucky and crack one within a week but then they just make newer encryption harder to crack.

>>378870998
Software piracy is proof that white people can be Somali welfare leeches too. They get aggressive at the people who try to "protect their property" similar to Somalis getting angry at right-wing whites. Pirates also hate DRM because it's trying to cockblock their nigger thievery.

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>>378873224
>I have the Rime torrent constantly running on my computer, every time it finishes I delete it and download it again. I've cost them hundreds of sales already, and I'll cost them much more yet.
Keep at it brother.
You can also use multiple torrent programs so you can download the same torrent multiple times.
Be imaginative brah!!!

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>>378865932
>Okay, it's just malware.
>Better?

11/10 kek'd

>>378872746
The issue is it's been proven via precedent that if you don't actively go out of your way to protect your properties, people will take them and you'll be powerless. See: Bleem! It was a huge middle finger to sony and most console manufacturers at the time into a massive frenzy because courts said "it was protecting the little guy from giant corporations", which, in many cases I agree is a good idea, but not when the little guy is literally just allowing people to pirate games, while selling it for a profit. That was just awful handling, but all the same, it's been proved as precedent many times since which is why emulators are never able to be taken down, ESPECIALLY when they're free to use/download.

>>378861885
>>378861226
>a bunch of handpicked programmers by Sony to protect the interests of one of the most profitable businesses on the planet
>a bald neckbeard and a bunch of spaghetti eaters
Who would win in a fight?
The answer might surprise you!

>>378873224
Won't anyone stop this madman? People like this are running the industry into the ground!

>>378873109
How many of those games are honestly worth it? AAA games are worth the attempt.

>>378866394
what about my statement is exaggerated? Everyone was/is claiming that about denuvo.

But in the end it's a standard DRM, just more effective.

>>378873572
A smart guy that pirates games instead of wasting money on them?

Please don't tell me you're one of those prats that actually BUYS games when they're there for free, right? That's not you surely.

>>378873572
>Guess which one is you?
No need to guess.
I was already tested.
I am pretty dumb at 117 IQ but whatevs.

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>>378873572
No idea, but you are one assmad moralcuckie.

>>378869113
Maybe Bill Gates but Notch's hands are clean now.

>>378873584
Bleem case had absolutely nothing to do with not protecting your property. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>378872553
>It is a buggy piece of shit that may run or may not run on your PC.
All the more reason to ask for a crack.

>>378873637
The witcher is an enormously popular, enormously profitable franchise.

>>378873572
How did you even get this mad from what he said?

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>>378873687
You wouldn't be poor if you weren't low IQ. The fact that you steal means there's an increased inclination for you to commit crime in the first place. You're a bigger potential threat to society than someone who doesn't pirate.
>>378873695
If we went by what people say online, the median IQ would be 120. Obviously that can't be true, so half the people you meet are probably <100, they just don't like admitting it.

Can i pirate tekken 7?

>>378873825
It literally was though. When sony was told "we have to protect small games developers and console manufacturers from you" they followed up with "You haven't ever tried to protect your property from emulators before, why is this a significantly different case?". Go look at the transcripts. They're freely available.

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>>378873937
Not mad. You're mad because I*m making an obvious connection between antisocial niggery and piracy.

See: >>378873458

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>>378861885

>>378873753
>Bill Gates
Not him either, he hasn't worked in Microsoft for 11 years now.

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>>378866525
>younger people are proportionally less intelligent than older people
>OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END
It's like you people have no ability to contextualise whatsoever

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>>378869395
of course he isnt, he was making a sarcastic joke. he explained it to you.

wow

>>378874012
>>378874109


Every study done so far shows pirates buy more than non-pirates. Good try, though.

>>378865745
All you need to is take a look at the game, particularly the sparsely populated and tiny map that gets recycled constantly during the story. It has low budget written all over it, which makes sense since Nier couldn't justify a big budget. No one could have anticipated the main character ('s ass) would have gone viral and make the game sell like it did.

But still, you don't have to trust your eyes or common sense. Here you have it from the man himself:
>During a Q&A panel at the recently held PAX East 2017, "NieR: Automata" director Yoko Taro discussed the game's upcoming DLCs. Taro confirmed that Square Enix's Yosuke Saito was interested in making DLCs for the game but he explained that there aren't enough people and funding to create and release expansive story DLCs like those released for "The Witcher 3."

>"We don't have enough manpower or budget to create that type of content," Taro said, according to The Bitbag.

>don't have enough manpower or budget

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>>378872470
A copyright already protects this, retard.
Why are there so many """"lawfags"""" on /v/?

>>378874675
>Every study so far shows that car thieves buy more than non-car thieves. Good try, though.

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>>378861226
>the developers promised to remove Denuvo if it was cracked
I think I'd actually be okay with DRM that doesn't fuck with the experience at all if this were a common practice.

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>>378874109
>implying niggers can use torrent

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>>378870050
>thinking this is how computer science works

>>378872470
That's like saying that if a store doesn't chain their fruits and vegetables to the floor, you can just walk in and take whatever you want without paying.

>>378874675
I hope you're not trusting those studies where people self reported how many games they pirated and how many they bought as gospel.

>>378873617
I mean, we're stupid, but in general nerds and retards like us are far smarter than the normal population.
A few cults noticed this like Scientology and Aum Shinrikyo and used it to become highly advanced and profitable. Aum Shinrikyo even had their own weapons, bio-weapons, and laser weaponry manufacturing just because the core group were shitty nerds and social outcasts.

4chan is a massive thinktank in a way, we're just to intelligent to use it for anything useful.

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>>378870917
>the ivory league

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>>378865974
is this fucking real

god damn Chris I didn't think you could become even more pathetic.

>>378863962
Yeah, this. Denuvo has actually done a good job in keeping the cracking scene alive, as ironic as that is.

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Why don't they just put put a different denuvo on the first denuvo and then another different denuvo on THAT denuvo and then do it again a couple of more times?

like putting your jewels in a small safe and then put that safe in a larger safe

imagine the crackers face when he after a week of sleepless nights sitting away hacking finally hacks through denuvo only to find A NEW denuvo under there, his face would probably look like in this pic

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>>378874746
>A copyright

"A" copyright
Copyright IS a right- it exists without filing application, unlike patents or trademarks. In order to be judged to be the sole owner of copyright of a product or idea, the courts like to see some attempt at defending sole ownership of the item in question. People who previously put up their work for free online and openly encouraged remixing of it, then want to try and claim $50m for it later on are going to have a harder time in court than people who vigorously defended their copyright instead.

Why are there so many """"lawfags"""" on /v/?

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>>378869721
the PS4 has HDCP, what now, Sonybro?

>>378861885
For 4th time?

>>378863610
Of course highly sought after games sell well -- they always do, but there's also an equally high(er) rate of pirates. It's not an argument against piracy, it's an argument for game being more sought after in every conceivable way.

>>378875421
Because then the game would run at 3FPS trying to run all those processes.

>>378868565
i wonder what this guys opinion is on stuff like world of warcraft, where yeah, you do pay for a license to play the game in the form of a subscription

>>378874012
Mr. Moralcuck. It's no use. I will continue to keep pirating games whilst I can.

Even if I was earning 300k a year, I'd still do it :^)

>>378875790
just buy a better cpu

>>378861391
>dope

hi, tumblr

>>378875870
I know you do. That's what the Somalis say as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IDBxPLp3i0

>>378875969
>just buy better hardware so we can run our malware drm
Yes, that's going to go over well with consumers.

>>378876052
I'm happy with being compared or a somali nigger if it means I save £40/50 on a game :).

Looks like I win.

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>>378861226

Where the fuck do you even pirate games from anymore? Everything is dead

>>378873835
There's a demo you can try.
And wasn't Dishonored 2 cracked already?

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>mfw a moralcuck thinks he can guilt me over pirating

>>378876280
there's this new site called pirate bay that's still up and running

>>378876476
>using honey pots in 2017

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>>378876151
It's common knowledge that the lower classes view themselves as superior to those who are successful. This is why in major European cities there are Arab gangs roaming around and beating people up who have jobs and a successful life.

>>>/pol/128003731

>>378870932
can i have the source ?

http://rsdn.org/forum/shareware/6733058

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/6evy3s/denuvo_is_going_to_be_sued/

Hmmm....

>>378875446
So by this logic I could take Cave Story as my own property because it was free at one point? And no court would defend it because it used to be free?

>>378876647
>wearing tin foil hats in 2017

if you're too scared of the boogeyman to pirate, then don't pirate

>>378876647
>what is a VPN

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>>378876707
Damn you sure told me, Mr. Moralcuck.

I'll stop pirating now.

>Dishonored 2 still not cracked

????????????????

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>>378877446

>>378873165
You're in the wrong for coming to /v/ expecting video game discussion.

>>378877508
wonder what kind of faggot draws this

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>>378875449
>HDCP

>>378875003
FOOD

ANALOGY

>>378861885
Maybe not possible. It actually makes pirating less by delaying it. Only if it really fucks up the games and fails to protect them.

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>>378861226
>A report from the cracker.
I laughed too hard at that shit.

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>in a distant future the only way to play games legally will be via streaming because muh pirates
You know it's gonna happen.

>>378878282
it really won't you delusional retard

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>>378877634
it stands for high definition copy protection, you child picture molester

>>378878282
Yep. I remember about 5-6 years ago people were still giving the argument (albeit most likely as a desperate measure) that b-but w-what if I take my laptop to my summer cottage nad it has no Internet... Thing is, everything these days is connected to the Internet, and in the future even moreso. The argument that an offline mode is necessary is getting less and less effective as time goes by.

>>378875446
You don't know shit about what you're talking but refuse to be wrong. You're all right weeb even if you do rename tumblr gifs to older filename numbers to seem like you're not a newfag.

>>378878629
>albeit most likely as a desperate measure
Yeah, how dare these cucks want to actually own the shit they purchase.

>>378878458
avatarfagging is against the rules

>>378878629
>>378878282
Oh and by the way, scrap that "distant" part. Just 10 years ago smartphones were not really a thing. A shitload can change in the next 10 years.

>>378876107
The evidence is spotty, either they're paying off those hardware blog geeks or the said geeks are having trouble proving that something in denuvo is fucking with resource usage.

>>378878763
You know they are just playing mental gymnastics in order to keep games easily accessible. I'm not stupid as to not know human psychology.

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>>378861226
>Denuvo's only been out for a week
>not least since
People are really this fucking stupid to fall for such bait?

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>>378878820
I'm posting random x-men pictures you little shit

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>That feel when more and more Denuvo games are getting cracked but it doesn't excite me since most of them are triple A garbage

>>378879023
that too

>>378878957
I don't need mental gymnastics. Games SHOULD be easily accessible, you fucking turd. Always online authentication is a bad thing for consumers, in every single way.

>Denuvo doesn't harm legitimate cons-
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/crackers-say-denuvo-drm-caused-slowdown-on-rime/

http://www.game-debate.com/news/22828/denuvo-anti-tamper-drm-patched-out-of-syberia-3-just-days-after-launch

>>378873637
Lords of the Fallen was worth it. That's a property that needs protecting.

wew lad

>>378878629
>he thinks he deserves to own the stuff he purchases
Damn, you are fucking entitled, aren't you?

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>>378879294
>posting random pictures is bannable
show me what rule says that, bub

>>378879332
>Games SHOULD be easily accessible
A very much a pirate's opinion. The market doesn't care about people who live outside of statistics. The markets move on where the money is and invisible people get left behind.

>>378879546
rule 50 posting random pictures is bannable

>>378879456
you havent owned the shit you purchased since doom 2 on floppy disc, nigga. all rights reserved, including the ability to revoke it. the ONLY difference between now and then is that shits connected online and they CAN revoke it without kicking down doors.

nothings changed. nothing. complaining about it now is a bit fucking late like when we did originally in '94.

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>>378861885
>company goes out of business
>but the endless hosts of peabrains who defend intrusive DRM, including in this very board, will continue existing unfazed, and whenever the next company pops out of the woodwork they will flock to it as the savior of gaming
Honestly nothing of significant value will be gained from it. The company who provides the service isn't the problem, the demand for it and implicit approval by the consumer base is.

>>378879639
>only a pirate could possibly want to own the products he purchases, and not be beholden to a corporation to keep their authentication servers active, and their internet connection reliable
Get the fuck out

I was so hopeful for denuvo. People kept telling me it was uncrackable because it was constantly changing or some shit. What happened?

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>>3788796
watch the retard trying to save face by being funny

>>378879831
He's just baiting

>>378879728
>the ONLY difference

That's actually a pretty huge difference, considering the fact that one can still play Doom even today, while a DRM-laden game can become unplayable within just a few years.

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>>378875081
>we're just to intelligent to use it for anything useful.

>>378878629
Maybe if you live in the US or the better parts of Europe, some of us still live in parts of the world where not every part of the house including the kitchen tap vomits high speed wi-fi connections when you as much as look at it.

On every other board people are getting laughed at for buying everything.

>>378879847
you fucked up making me the victor

>>378871741
Baldman is Russian.

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>>378861885

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>>378861885

>>378880068
Third world countries don't generate the bulk of the revenue anyway. Third worlders = less relevant to vidya.

>>378878629
>Thing is, everything these days is connected to the Internet
and data caps are becoming MORE common, not LESS common

>>378872091
We can't all be 10 year old edgelords.

>>378880328
>stupid right wing governments giving in to corporate lobbying
No shit

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>>378861885

>>378880002
thats the devs decision, to keep or revoke drm. doom has drm and its been removed because it was cracked. they simply havent taken action, because its not worth the time and effort and pr suicide. however, that changes nothing. you STILL dont own doom, even if they will literally never enforce that power.

if you take this shit to a court of law thats whats going to get noted. "hey, youve been fine with this for 23 years and NOW its an issue because NOW you cant get away with breaking the agreement you agreed to?". its no different to owning a drivers license for 23 years and arguing to the court you never agreed to follow any speed limits, and ONLY now because you got caught on camera doing it.

Imagine you worked for a game studio and worked 70 hours per week to get it done, and then after you ship it, you get a pat on the back, then browse 4chan and see 200+ neckbeards laughing because the anti-theft measures got cracked and they are all planning to seed the game and share it for free.

>oh anon, our budget got cut because of piracy, we have to let you go, sorry

You aren't entitled to free games. Pay for them or find a cheaper hobby.

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>>378861885
I liked a few years ago when people kept saying shit like "I-It'll just take too long to get cracked and discourage piracy! They'll never be able to crack it fast!"

>>378880493
He's talking about the original Doom you fucking retard

>>378861391
n-no we HAVE OUR 19.0 BRAND NEW VERSION LITERALLY UNCRACKABLE THIS TIME FOR REAL

>>378880539
>our budget got cut because of piracy
Said no one, ever

>>378880328
There will be a time when you wear contact lenses with Internet on it 24/7 with no caps.

>>378880539
Employees get paid the same regardless. It's the publisher that suffers because of piracy. Never in the history of video games has a successful video game series not gotten a sequel because of piracy. Never in the history of video games has piracy caused a video game not to be successful.

>>378879013
You know there are different versions of Denuvo right?

>>378880670
Reduced sales = executives get worried and either trash studios or fire a bunch of people.

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>>378880590
okay, lets take a look a-oh shit wouldja look at that, all rights reserved.

same fucking shit amigo. reserved, but never enforced does NOT mean not reserved.

>b-but i own it, even if legally they could take it away from me if they wanted
>REEEE STEAM INVENTED LICESNESSSS

>>378880764
Prove that piracy reduces sales.

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>>378861226
Rip in piss niggers

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>>378880764
reduced sales? you mean there was a time piracy didnt exist and you could even compare it, and it wasnt accounted for because its been that way since the dawn of time? wow, when was this

>>378880781
Someone call that number.

>>378869096
they are talking about revenue not profits

>>378880539
Make better games and people will buy your shit.

>>378880781
Are you fucking retarded? All Rights Reserved doesn't mean they can walk into my house and take my disks from me

>>378880942
>Make better games
"OK, I will" said the low level programmer who was given a chance to break in to the industry to work on a game that was going to be pirated by 3 million people.

6 months later
"Sorry, we have to let you go, you know how it is. Budget cuts, underperforming products, etc. Good luck in your next job"

>>378880764
You're an idiot

>>378880781
>b-but i own it, even if legally they could take it away from me if they wanted

No they can't.

>>378861226
I love how when Denuvo was just about to hit the shelves everyone was like "OMG its uncracable, it'd literally take 180 years to crack a game with denuvo on it" Shows you just how many of those people were denuvo employees shilling their garbage.

>it's another "digitalcucks try to justify their mistakes by going N-NO YOU DON'T OWN YOUR GAMES EITHER P-PLEASE SUPPORT BASED GABEN" episode
Enjoy having your entire digital library revoked because you disagreed with a tranny mod, said trannies literally can't come into my house and take my games regardless of whether or not the game (((legally))) says "All Rights Reserved"

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>>378880954
correct! they can revoke your copy, but they cant actually enter your property, so thats why this was never enforced

BUT it was a right they reserved. its how you can have your online account to a game banned for cheating, even if you still own the disc and they cant come take it from you, they reserve the right to revoke your license, and during that era, the only way to enforce this was serial keys.
NOW, you can do it online, so the right they are enforcing, is the SAME one they had in the 90`s.
like i said, you dont own it, just because no ones coming to take it away. nothings changed except they can now enforce the right they reserved.

>>378861226

Pirate fags so poor they have to do this to buy a game

Your part of the reason the industry will fall

>>378881159
absolutely. would it be worth it for them to start a lawsuit, prove you had the game and violated it over something that cost 60 bucks? no. but they could. banning serial keys is literally the same right being enforced, and one that can be enforced without, like i said waaaay up before, kicking in doors

>>378881237

>nothings changed except everythings changed

For all practical purposes, you *do* own your old copy of Doom.

Why hasn't there been a crack for Total War Warhammer yet?

I just want to not pay for it ;_;

>>378881416
except for the part where, ya know....you dont. the rights reserved are the same. whats changed is the ability to enforce it.

>>378881307
>Your part of the reason the industry will fall

No need to thank me.

>>378881410
>but they could

Do what? Sue you for what?

>>378881504
I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what the "all right reserved" means

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>>378880539

>pirates did this bad thing, so everyone has to suffer, and you're not allowed to complain :^)

How about no, you corporate shill?

>>378881567
civil courts claim, using a product without a license. what do you think happens if your caught with a pirated, unlicensed copy of photoshop, you clod. however, you make a living with ps, and it costs a tadddd bit more so its worth going after people who do. LIKE i said, just because companies DONT enforce it because its not worth the time and money, means, they cant.

>>378881669
dont worry buddy, way ahead of you, i already know you assuredly have no idea whatsoever.

>>378882132
>what do you think happens if your caught with a pirated, unlicensed copy of photoshop, you clod.
What does that have to do with someone legally purchasing a copy of fucking Doom?

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>>378861885
>pirateniggers will never stop stealing

>>378882132
>what do you think happens if your caught with a pirated, unlicensed copy of photoshop, you clod

But I'm talking about a legally purchased copy of old Doom.

FUCK ANTI PIRATES

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>>378882243
that that copy of doom is a license, that can be revoked by the devs, exactly like photoshop and steam games?

holy shit are you dense

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>denuvo literally bloats loading times

>>378882802
See, it's shit like this that just further makes it obvious you have no fucking idea what the words "all rights reserved" actually mean

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>two million trigger calls

>>378882908
>oh but i do
>23 years and more of serial keys being revoked on this basis alone notwithstanding

lol

>>378882802

>exactly like photoshop

But in your example the photoshop was pirated. It's like you don't even understand your own argument.

>>378881964
>"so everyone has to suffer"

>double-click game in Steam
>it loads
>play it

OH NO, THE SORROW, I CANNOT BEAR IT

What you meant to say is
>it's inconvenient that i have to wait several months to pirate the latest video game because of those pesky anti-theft measures >:(

>>378883114
yeah, because modern ps dosent keep working if its unlicensed, because of internet authentication. holy shit could you read like all the posts firsts before asking shit thats been clarified. the internet makes this feasible WITHOUT kicking doors in.

>>378883173
>double click

actually it's just 1 click on "Play"

don't tell me you use desktop shortcuts

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>>378878681
>rename tumblr gifs to older filename numbers to seem like you're not a newfag.
You really think someone would do that?
I didn't rename this one.

>>378883173

>double-click game in Steam
>it loads
>play it

You forgot everything else anon.

>click play
>have to type in a special code to get through denovo
>have to get email verification
>have to log in to my always online account
>have to type my 50 letter security code from my phone within 10 seconds
>get instantly banned from playing the game if my internet cuts out

>>378883248
>the internet makes this feasible WITHOUT kicking doors in.

But you claimed that somehow, they could take away a legally bought copy of old Doom. How?

>>378869802
>Bad Games that get cracked early tend to have poor sales
fixed your post buckaroo. If devs want to lessen piracy, they just need to make good games worth buying or have it be a multiplayer only always online experience

>>378875446
> In order to be judged to be the sole owner of copyright of a product or idea,
Nigga the first thing you learn, even in survey courses of IP law, is that you can't copyright ideas. Are you a CJ major pretending to be an attorney or something?

>>378883409
now why did you go out of your way to provide clear evidence that you never bought and played a Denuvo game on Steam?

>>378883409
:^)

I don't believe you.

>>378883173
>click play
>have to wait over a minute because denuvo put 300k code triggers in the game's startup alone

>>378883526

Because this applies to all games with DRM, not just denuvo? The point is that, if I give them my money legally, I should not have to deal with a single bit of DRM.

>>378876012
What in fresh hell is that supposed to mean?

>>378880750
>Never in the history of video games has piracy caused a video game not to be successful.
Someone never had a PSP.

>>378883625
I've been buying games on Steam for over 7 years and the last time I've seen that happen was when I bought Arkham City, thankfully GFWL is long gone. Regardless, you're full of shit.

>>378872746
This is it, this video nails it.

Although I would say that before Steam, people probably really wouldn't give a shit about pirating on PC. Now that people have digital libraries, though, they DO want to possess a sense of ownership about the games they enjoy, and adding them to their online libraries does it.

This notion is not 100% perfect, though, and I'll admit it. I buy all my games on PS4 and PC, but I still pirate on the 3DS. I like to play portable games, but I don't give enough of a shit about them to really want to buy them. Even if I did, Nintendo doesn't publish in my country and 3DS games are too insanely priced to even consider buying them.

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>>378883975
what country? Brazil? if so, you can't justify choosing to buy PS4 games while choosing to pirate 3DS games because of pricing

Is Dishonored 2 going to be cracked finally?

>>378880781
>he bought Doom
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>378863953
publishers would still create their own drm platform even if steam would only take 5%

>>378884346
Of course I can, Sony publishes on Brazil. I can buy games for as low as 50 bucks (like I did with Street Fighter 5 recently), and the average game is R$80/90 if it wasn't just released.

Meanwhile, go check the prices for Pokemon X out. They start at RS159,00 and that game is fucking old already.

>>378861226
>But according to the cracker, the 300,000 calls to triggers was a mere “warmup” for Denuvo. After just 30 minutes of gameplay, the count rose to two million, a figure he delivered with shocked expletives.
This sounds like the nightmare DRM Assassin's Creed 2 had.

Is there some way to emulate Steam as a piracy method? Because Steamworks is DRM and everyone seems to forget it.

>/a/ openly shuns crunchyroll and discusses fansubbing
>/co/ storytime's every new comic
>/tv/ posts leaks all the time
>/v/ is the one that gets butthurt over piracy

>>378880871

This, actually.

>>378885942

Steam versions of games are cracked all the time.

>>378883780
It's even better on the 3DS and look at the sales from all those games, it's almost as if the PSP wasn't a huge success in the west to begin with!

>>378885942
Steamworks has an optional DRM which has been cracked for ages, yes. What's your point?

"uncrackable" they said.

>>378886497
My point is that you can download cracked versions of games that use Steamworks, but emulating Steam to play every single one that uses it, without the need of any crack, would be nice.

>>378886554
Marketing term, just like the adblockblock script(See our current archives) that can be stopped with one line of code.

>>378886660
What are you even saying? I don't understand you.

>>378886801
He wants a fake Steam client rather than simply bypassing Steamworks.

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This is what the steam culture has done.

>>378866597
The issue is DRM does nothing but inconvenience paying customers no matter how it's implemented but give nothing to them in return. Because of such, you can't say there's nothing wrong about DRM.

>>378863610
>some people are redpilled about it
>people in the high up know it doesn't work but have to go with it so they don't get accused

Is Denuvo the SJW/Political Correctness of gaming?

>>378886660
>>378886904
Centralizing piracy is a bad idea.

>>378886970
must be denuvo employee

>>378886801
You cannot install a Steam game offline. It needs to connect to the Steam servers the very first time to confirm you own the game. When the game uses Steamworks, that is.

Some of them, you can simply copy and paste the folder anywhere you want, from one computer to the other, run it, and it's all good.

Is this game even worth pirating?

>>378887221
Steam cracks are pretty generic, as far as I know. You just need to replace a steam_api.dll next to the game and it should work on any game that uses it.
This is my personal conjecture though, as I haven't tried it myself.

>>378887209

This. One failure point wiping out a bunch of games at once is no bueno.

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>>378886970

>denuvo isn't drm

The guy who made the nier mod that crashed and deleted shit off your pc if the game was pirated and got banned from github for it is all up in that thread defending denuvo.

>>378865724
>funneling money away from the playstation divisons to the movie division
whats the difference?

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>>378887907
>gog is drm because it offers a 30 day money back guarantee

What the fuck is this nigger smoking?

>>378883975
I achieved that sense of ownership by purchasing physical copies. PC discs have been dead for years.

Has the anal gland of denuvo finally descended to the lowest levels of hell of blasted asses?

>>378888278
I'd like to know how this guy defines DRM.

>>378874712
Oh my sweet, sweet summer child.
Learnt to shitpost before opening your disgusting mouth next time :^)

>>378887907
>>378888278
It feels like one of those people who don't understand why everyone keeps insisting ironic means something other than what was in the dictionary 30 years ago. I'm sure there's a technical, semantic way this rambling makes sense, but it ignores the general way people talk about DRM and what DRM has come to mean in the context of videogames.

It's all unimportant because calling it DRM was only ever a useful way to encapsulate information without having to list every single thing being complained about when it's brought up. Whether it's "DRM" or not, technically, doesn't matter. Because that doesn't change what these things are actually doing, which is the point of contention.

>>378888405
I think at least triple A releases still have physical versions on PC? They probably have a steam requirement, which sucks, but you can still store it physically if you enjoy that sorta stuff.

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DENUVO BTFO

PRAISE CPY AND BALDMAN

>>378888726
Last I heard of was MGSV which was a case with a slip inside with a steam code for it.

>>378889323
Nier: Automata had a physical release, but only in Europe.

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Is Rime any good?

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>>378878629
I wonder who could be behind this post...

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>>378890925
Man, I need to find more doujins with this theme.

>>378878629
You and several other people are the reason why we can't have nice things.

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>>378866114
>PC games constantly undersell console games
>only way PC games sell is if they are HEAVILY discounted
>these low sales numbers coupled with low prices effectively makes Steam's 70% share roughly on par with console revenue
>developers STILL focus on consoles first and foremost while the PC version is just a mere afterthought

>>378866114
Hmm how much do the various digital storefronts take on consoles?

>>378892504
How much do games sell on console?

Now how much do they sell on PC?

Finally, what is the average price PC gamers typically pay for said games?