Was Arthas in the right to purge the entire city? i could understand

yes he was right they were zombies you fucking retard

>>378854336
then who is mal'ganis?

He was right. But in doing the right thing - he doomed himself.

arthas did nothing wrong
i mean you can play the mission and see for yourself what happens if you do NOT purge the entire city - literally every single person that you dont kill is turned into a zombie and joins the scourge.

>>378853679
>wasting troops to purge a city that's fallen already
>not pulling back to reinforce the remaining unaffected territories
He was a retard with no sense of strategy

>>378853679
Why did the first post get deleted? It's video game discussion. Fuck off janitors.
First poster'poster's post:
>Basically, if you agree with Jaina you're a typical progressive liberal. If you agree with Arthas you're probably right wing. If you agree with Uther you're more than likely a fence sitting faggot who allows everything to fall apart because you have no strong convictions and think being sanctimonious is more important than dealing with problems.
>So, basically, all three of them are responsible for what happened and as usual joe footman gets fucked in the ass.

>Running away from problems

Uther and Jaina are bunch of cowards.

>>378854542
Nah, he only fucked up by chasing Mal'Ganis to Northrend then burning the ships.
Purging the city was the only thing that could be done, Uther just wasn't ready for that kind of moral decision.

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>>378854562
>hurr durr i should let this city join the scourge and attack everyone else
wow ur such a smart strategist :^)

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Who was in the wrong here?

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>>378854813

>>378854562
>Allowing the Scourge numbers to grow even higher
Motherfucker your strategy would have doomed everybody not in a city and then with the numbers the Scourge would have they would break any defence you could build

>>378854809
>zombies are dangerous
kek

>>378854720
yeah i agree, it's kind of a plot hole that they left Arthas (son of the KING) to do that shit alone without any real excuse except 'i cant believe youve done this'

>>378855059
name 5 powers in the alliance strong enough to deal with A WHOLE CITY of undead

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>>378853679
No, he wasn't.

Uther specifically said: "If we let our passions turn into bloodlust, we will become as vile as the orcs".

If Arthas had been "a pussy" and had found another way to contain the plague, the Scourge would have been weakened in the long run. Because, in the long run, the culling achieved nothing. The whole region got turned into the Plaguelands by the same person.

>>378854809
>hurr durr i should do my enemy's job for him

>>378856309
So how would you prevent the entire city becoming undead and causing chaos in the surrounding countryside?
They don't have the forces to blockade every entrance to it so the undead are going to get out one way or another.

>>378855950
>he thinks the undead they literally beat back several times over is weaker than a city of nothing but zombies
fucking retard lmao

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>>378853679
gRad yoo coold make eet Oothfur

>>378856309
>another way to contain the plague
>literal years after WC3, the only way to contain the plague and scourge is to seat Bolvar as the Lich King

Arthas was right in purging the city, but was wrong in pursuing Mal'ganis to Northrend and burning the ships. He should have withdrawn after the purge and convened with his father on how to handle the growing problem, whether it was to abandon Lordaeron or keep fighting.

>>378853679
Did he stop the spread of the scourge?
As in, when he left for Northrend, and before he returned, was there an undead plague going on?

Because I think there was, thus he didn't do shit, and the massacre was for nothing even if he didn't get le corrupted.

>>378853679
his "friends" were pretty shit tier

if they had stood by his side even after this blunder like friends are supposed to the entire mess could have been avoided. Then again, you don't know how much malgasnis was influencing shit

>>378856767
>king says "okay guys, we need to genocide a bit of people to stop the grain plague"
>he is immediately murdered and replaced, because nobody wants to do that

wow

>>378853679
Well, he thought that by purging the city the plague would be contained, which didn't happen. So yeah, he was wrong.

I'm not being a moralist here, i'm talking about his own choice. If purging the entire city would have prevented the whole scourge from fucking around then he would have been right, but he actually helped the bad guys in the end.

>>378855950
Well.. Arthas and whoever was with him dealt with a WHOLE CITY of living people. Couldn't be that hard.

>>378856880
Jaina even saw what happens when people turned from the Scourge so I really have no idea why she didn't just tell Uther that shit was about to go down

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If Uther supported Arthas, tried to convicne him not to chase malgungis and said shit like "what you did was tough but it was a right thing to do, sometimes we have to do it as a paladins and take responsibility blahblahblah" instead of "fuck you nigger im going to push you even further into the dark side" Arthas probably wouldnt go batshit crazy over avenging the people who died there.
It was bad from hurr durr paladinz n shiet side and an ok descision overall.

>>378857093
>hurr if an unlimited army could defeat it it cant be hard

>>378857291
>if uther would've followed some edgy teen against his wisdom and vows

Why would he do that?

>>378857318
>unlimited army
I see you're retarded, my condolences.

>>378857509
What the fuck was Uther's plan in that scenario?
Was he really just going to let undead run rampant throughout the north?

>>378856914
funny because during the black plague in europe, the mere rumor that the jews were spreading the plague was enough to get people to burn them alive

>>378857614
He states his plan - go to Paladin HQ, talk to the other HOLY MAGIC ANTI-UNDER SPECIALISTS there, and make a strategy to execute it with the support of the kingdom, instead of a warband led by a renegade.

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>>378857645
>mere rumor
Atta' goy!

>>378857291
>malgungis
My sides

>>378856309
or in trying to find another solution to the problem that didn't exist he let the enemy gain an entire army for free positioned perfectly to strike at Lordaeron's heartlands

just because you want another solution to exist doesn't mean said solution actually exists

>>378857509
Not follow him but at least go easy on him instead of the way he reacted.

>>378857645
The jews were "other". If the rumor was that the town where your brother lives caused it, I doubt you'd be in a hurry to bring the torch.

>>378854574
>/pol/shit

You fucks are less self aware than the shitty bronies or that one stupid barneyposter.

>>378857645
>When jews saved Poland from Black Death
900 years of eternal alliance goy

>>378857743
reminder that in all of the decades said order existed they had managed to cure a grand total of 0 people of undeath

reminder that in the time it would have taken to get there not only would all of Stratholme's citizens have died, they'd also have killed the citizens of all the surrounding villages and perhaps even sacked another major city.

>>378857814
nobody cares, faggio

>mentor turns on him
>wife turns on him
>has to sacrifice his own men killing his own people in order to save as much lives possible, all doing so with his own hands

being arthas is suffering

>>378857743
By the time he had gone to do that then the death toll would be catastrophic.
A whole city was turning undead and it had already been shown they could rip through towns and villages if the player isn't in direct control.
Fuck sake by the time Uther had done that all but fucking Lordaeron itself would have fallen.

>>378857743
Meanwhile the city of Stratholme is turned into zombies and a planning stage for the scourge war-machine then overruns Lordaeron.

>>378857910
we all know nowadays it was the mongols who spread the plague (as if we needed more proof they were literally the worst thing to happen to humanity in all of written history), just saying that a king could very much get away with killing an entire city worth of people during a major crisis

>>378853679
Warcraft III has to be in the top 10 games of all time right?

Arthas was a retard. Should've heeded Uther's wisdom then maybe he wouldn't have gotten his dumb ass turned into a lich's bitch.

>>378858070
Yes and easily among the most influential games of all times as well.

>>378858119
what advice? run away and let a major city go mad cow? oke retard

>>378854562
you didn't win many normal matches, did you?

>>378854574

Kill yourself.

>>378858070
Duh

always enjoyed wc3 actually played a bit vs cpus today. are the campaigns any fun if i dont give a single fuck about story n just skip it?

>>378858720
Yes but don't skip it, the dialog is hilariously corny.

I thought his plan was way too extreme right off the bat. Why not burn the grain then round everybody up in town square for a couple days and kill them as they turn? Even he kills half of the citizens he doesn't have to wipe out a whole city.

>>378858321
The advice was basically to not rush in like a retard who can't control his emotions. His lack of emotional control and lack of reason was what got him fucked.

>>378854813
Kael should have been grateful Garithos didn't ravage his elf pussy on the spot

>>378856652
>>378857791
How did Arthas becoming a Death Knight work out again?

Ner'zhul didn't want a city full of mindless undead at that time, he wanted to get Arthas to touch Frostmourne (which resulted in a greater boost for the Scourge than any army of zombies) and he played at his reckless nature to achieve his goal.

"There was no other way" is also plain wrong, he had a full army of knights led by an experienced paladin and he dismissed all of them in a shitfit.

If you want to shoot your legs and then say "there's no way for me to use my legs now, I'll walk with my arms", good for you, but you're still an idiot who shot his own egs.

>>378858812
you see, Uther suggesting something like that would have likely caused Arthas to actually listen
Instead he further agitated an already emotionally unstable Arthas by walking out on him.

>>378858882
And if Uther hadn't thrown a temper tantrum and made the decision to leave thousands to fucking die then maybe him and Jaina could help rein him in.
Arthas only fucked up when he went to Northrend

>can only select 12 units at a time
reeeeee

Does anyone know the YouTube channel that just played all the wc3 cutscenes in chronological order. I watched it some years ago but can't find it now

>>378859109
wtii?

Malganis literally steals their souls for eternity iirc, and they're all infected from the grain

Arthas was right. However, he's still a good person so this horror causes him to snap and throw away everything to get revenge for it. That's what the northrend invasion, the cursed sword, and abandonment of his men is about.

>>378858812
have you forgotten Mal'Ganis was there at the same time turning the citizens into undead at the same time as Arthas?

>>378858931
Ner'Zhul's plan would have worked either way
Arthas becoming a death knight led to the fall of Lordaeron and the summoning of Archimonde
However Stratholme turning into an army would have ALSO led to the fall of Lordaeron and the summoning of Archimonde.

The only thing that could have actually fucked up his plan would have been the destruction of Stratholme by an emotionally calmer Arthas that didn't head to Northrend.


All the other Lich King stuff happened much later and lets be honest here, Illidan grabbing the Lich King's helmet would have been about as much of a bad end as Arthas doing the same.

>>378858914
but elf pussy is made to be ravaged?

>>378857743
Saying your plan is to go make a plan is the same as saying you don't have a plan.

>>378859289
I don't remember him being aware that Mal'ganis was there before he decides to purge this city.

>>378859013
Arthas says Uther is committing treason and tells him and his men to get out of his sight. It's not like he chose to walk out, he just says he won't purge a city.

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You have 10 seconds to prove you're human to Garithos or he throws you to the scourge!

>>378859775
purge this
>no
i am your king
>not yet
do it
>no
then fuck off retard
>wtf youve gone mad arthas

>>378859349
Garithos treated elves like second class citizens instead of walking fuck toys, if anything he was their MLK. But Kael just had to chimpout

>>378859775
He literally says he would never obey that command no matter who gave it, even if it was the king
he was gonna walk out regardless

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>>378859298
Illidan grabbing the lich kings helmet would have been a remarkably bad ending.

If nothing else though, the way it could have played out if Arthas didn't go to Northrend.

Mal'ganis and the rest of his fuck buddies would have got tired of waiting and went back to the burning legion, and they would have found another way to open smaller portals for a few years and then they would've tried to summon archimonde again, and probably succeeded and he would have died knowing him because he's a jobber.

Then depending on whether or not they thought of it they would have found and reclaimed frostmourne and lich king helm, maybe turning someone else. Would have been interesting to see Warcraft history turn so that instead it was theramore being threatened and so jaina would have been the one to take up the mantle of lich king.

I bet Jaina's tune would have changed when her father died a horrible death to diseased grain and her city was in ruins.

Regardless though Illidan would have probably would've been on the legion's kill list regardless of everything he does, and trying to appease them by going after the helm was stupid, and trying to split northrend in half with your stupid magic was stupid, the only thing that brought about was Arthas killing that one old god minion.

>>378859775
Not the guy you're replying to but Uther's plan would have blown up just as badly since it would have given the Scourge time to grow even further.
I mean the only time the Scourge get beaten is when the player is in control, outside of that they are supposed to be nigh-unstoppable and with the numbers from Stratholme would have zerg rushed Lordaeron.
The only way to actually win would be purging the city then not sending Arthas to Northrend

>Was Arthas right to kill a bunch of sick women and children because they may become easily dispatched mindless shambling undead?

No. He was hasty. What he should have done was have some goons hang around the city and burn corpses once people keeled over instead of going full purge

>>378859936
Purge this
>no
I am your king
>not yet and id still say no
TREASON get out of my sight
>ok
>>378859939
Does he bend over backwards after being told to fuck off? There's not much you can do in that situation.

>>378860238
the people rose instantly when they keeled over and a god damn dreadlord was hanging out in the city
that plan would not have worked

>>378860215
Yeah Uther's plan was terrible too but the question here is whether Arthas is right.

>>378855950
Lorefag here.

Contrary to the retcons in WoW. The Scourge was only ever a problem because it had a thinking mind behind it. Literally peasant militias have been dealing with undead uprisings in Azeroth for Ages. They just mindlessly run towards you before dying. I can't think of a single faction in the entire lore that couldn't handle a city of the undead coming at them. It only becomes an issue if they are lead by a Death Knight - which. If I'm not mistaken Arthas had no knowledge of such things when he made that call

>>378859298
>Ner'Zhul's plan would have worked either way

Except Ner'zhul had two plans going on. One was to summon Archimonde so the Dreadlords would not suspect him and the other was to strengthen himself and the Scourge enough to deviate from the Legion. The second one could not work without Arthas.

In the end, both plans worked, but they were still at a stage where they complemented one another. However, I disagree that a city of zombies were so big a threat that the Alliance couldn't eventually handle. The real threat in Stratholme was Mal'Ganis, and Arthas, Uther and Jaina were enough to deal with him.

>>378854813
>talking shit to the crowned prince of an ally saying they he's commiting treason.
Sounds like Garithos is a fucking retard and incited a goddamn war with humanity's most powerful allies.

>>378859838
Garithos has 10 seconds to prove he's not some rotting elf bitch's mindslave.

>>378860397
Malganis was around to act like the "thinking mind" though

>>378860392
It was the closest anyone there got to a "right" answer.
Arthas was unstable but he was the only one willing to take the hit on his conscience for the greater good, kill a few, save thousands.
Uther was a fucking idiot unwilling to make the difficult choices in the moment.

At least Jaina had a fucking excuse, she was just a mage and didn't know much about that kind of war

>>378860431
The second one, in the end, didn't work out WITH Arthas either though
he would have been far better off with someone less powerful but easier to control

>>378860623
I'm pretty sure that Jaina, in her current state, would have been all like "bunch them up so I can flamestrike them easier"

from my point of view the paladins are evil

They were raised as zombies again even if he did kill them, it was a waste of time and effort as well as being an atrocious act.

>>378860875
YOU WERE LIKE A BROTHER TO ME ARTHAS

>>378860238
>keeled over
Did you play the mission? They were already zombies.

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>>378855572
Every time I see this I laugh my ass off

you know, in retrospect, that really was a brilliant scene
even today people are arguing for both sides

remind me again why blizz didn't just make the warcraft movie about Arthas?

>>378860623
I think there's other alternatives to purging the city that he could have thought of at that point in time. If he offered another plan to Uther to go in with and kill 'em all as a back up plan to pull out later he would have been better off. When he tells Uther to leave he has no idea Mal'ganis is there he just knows that the city has been compromised.

>>378858720
>>378860238
Tell Uther either one of these and him and Jaina would come with. Problem is Arthas has a murderboner.

>>378860602
And the combined forces of Arthas, Jaina and UTHER THE LIGHTBRINGER, PALADIN OF THE SILVER HAND, as well as a cohort of knights were more than enough to deal with the thinking mind.

Hell, in-game Arthas supressed Mal'Ganis by himself.

>>378861172
>supressed Mal'Ganis himself

you mean how he didn't come anywhere near dealing damage to him and he fell for his plot to sail to Northrend in pursuit?

Oh and don't forget Uther got bitchslapped by Arthas later on so he wasn't all that great at undeadslaying

You know Arthas didn't lie about the boats, the mercenaries did destroy them.

>>378861076
Then the issue still lies that Uther was willing to let the city burn one way or another.
You'd think a high ranking Paladin would have the sense to fucking act when a crisis appears, instead he offers no alternative and just fucks off in a hissy-fit because Arthas shouted at him.

How the fuck either of them were allowed a position of authority we'll never know

>>378860473
Kael betrayed him by joining the burning legion.

>>378861495
need I remind you why that happened in the first place?

>>378861294
>Uther got bitchslapped by Arthas later on

Only because Arthas had retard strength wielding Frostmourne.

>>378861609
And he only managed to defeat a dreadlord after getting Frostmourne as well so chances are they could have taken Uther out as well

>>378853679
He was right, Caverns of time prove this.

>>378854574
This is a fantasy universe. Keep /pol/shit away from it.

>>378861712
That's not how it works.

>>378854813
Garrithos was a fucking idiot.
Kael just had crushed an entire undead army with few resources and could have easily hold the city if he had been given appropriate troops.

But no, he only left him with STICKS and HARSH LANGUAGE.

>>378858321
Which still happened regardless.

>>378861459
Here are Uther's options:
-Purge the city,
-Fight Arthas and his men who just said he's committing treason and clearly will not budge
-Leave
I think he goes with the wise one, He won't kill his own people.

>We may never know, Uther. I intend to live forever.

Why was the writing of almost every video game better a decade ago ?

>>378861896
yeh, I don't get why people rave about him when there's the vastly more sensible and actually RIGHT Daelin Proudmore

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>>378862007
>He won't kill his own people.
They'll be fucking dead either way.
All leaving did was allow Arthas to go full retard.
Here's a question, if we remove Arthas from the picture what does Uther accomplish other than screwing everyone in the north?

>>378862007
isn't condemning women and children to be turned into wretched undead abominations far more cruel and wicked than a quick and merciful end by the sword?

>>378862087
Not like it's a good line, but to answer you question: Cuz games were made by nerds out of passion with budgets from private jewish sources. These days it's all public stock where you have to satisfy the investors by showing growth, or else you lose your job.

>>378862101
Proudmoore was wrong though, Orcs themselves end up turning against Garrosh.

Judging the Orcs from Garrosh is like judging the Alliance from Alterac.

>>378862225
I have a corruption fetish so I'd probably have to let nature take its course desu

>>378862278
There is one difference between orcs and humans. Alliance are a huge bunch of different people. Some of them good, some bad. Horde on the other hand is nothing but the same crappy warmongering tribal beasts with no culture. You can't judge humans by one faction, but you sure as hell can judge orcs as a whole, because niggers never change anywhere they go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXajx7l4VxE

>work in animal shelters
>deal with decisions like this daily
>try to treat one puppy with parvo, or purge every pup in the kennel because they were all exposed and put others at risk
>try to determine if a cough is worth putting a dog down over to keep bordatella under control
>deciding if a dog should even stay after an owner abandons it because it would be taking up room that could be used for a lost dog

It's hard to make rational decisions when youre looking at a worried pair of eyes who's only crime was being found by the wrong people.

Then the media calls you a monster, expecting you to save every life on a budget barely big enough to feed the shelter.

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>>378854562
>how to lose 101
dont ever play rts or tbs.

>>378853679
Not really, even as a prince he doesn't have the authority to call such an important decision.
He commanded because he was the "future king" something that had absolutely no relevance.

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If they were infected to begin with, what difference does it make to kill them prematurely? They would rise one way or another.

>>378862552
Erry time. When did this tradition start exactly? These types of quotes were around for so many years i don't even know.

>>378862458
Orcs are not based on black people, but on Mongols/Vikings
And you're objectively wrong : there are a lot of Horde clans with several cultural differences.

The whole orc = niggers meme makes me think that perhaps gamers deserve the state of their industry.

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>Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you.

>>378861565
>>378861896
>>378862101

because he was stupid and did not obey his orders? the island was very easy to hold down, he could have waited and protected the observatory - his mission, until Garithos returned with reinforcements (as he did in the cutscene)

alterantively if you are good enough, it is possible to take out all the undead without the naga's help

>>378862225
>>378862193
How can either of them be certain that everybody will turn into undead? We can as the omniscient player but they can't. If Uther knew that they'd all turn I think he would go for the purge. But in this exchange Arthas instantly decides to burn a city and it's people to ash and tells his allies to fuck off.

lore-wise it was a correct move on his part to cut his losses. the moment that changed his life was when his horse "invincible" died in a freak accident in the snow.

however since the purge of stratholme, that ideal has gotten him further and further off the course of sanity.

>>378862683
They are niggers and nothing else. Living in their mud huts for generations until some shit happens, and they flood human kingdoms drowning them in blood. The moment things get peaceful, they return to their voodoo tribal mud hut dwelling, only to chimp out and start killing again after resources dry out.

>>378862718
>the island was very easy to hold down
Without resources, I don't think so.

>>378862693
Never forget Lordamere internment camp

>>378862760
Every single village with an infected grain supply has gotten thoroughly fucked by undead and Stratholme has had its supplied poisoned for a couple of days, its a pretty easy assumption that there aren't many who didn't get infected

>>378862886
/pol/shits don't know shit about the lore, how surprising

>>378862848
The moment that changed his life was a plot device called Frostmourne. You know, IRL people don't start killing their own because a sword told them to.

>>378860602
Read the last bit. Arthas doesn't know that so on a personal level his choice was wrong

>>378862886
>>>/pol/

>>378862918
you have a gold mine with several thousaind, boats and flying untis, it could have easily been a "defend for 30 minutes" mission

>>378862886
Why do you people keep posting shit like that? No one around here thinks you're being irreverent and edgy, you just come off as an ignorant retard.

>>378863064
Arthas knew about Kel'Thuzad who explicitly mentioned the Lich King, as far as I recall.

>>378862987
Killing everybody isn't your go to plan if you want a kingdom to rule when its all over.

>>378863229
Gameplay and Story segregation
And I'm pretty sure Garrithos wouldn't come to rescue elves anyway.

At any rate, Blood Elves campaign is pretty good so why bother.

>>378863229
You can't defend that island alone on hard with only half of the HU unit roster, you get overwhelmed easily against three bases with UD full tech and infinite resources thanks to computer cheating.

garithos and proudmore did nothing wrong

kys horde faggots

>>378863062
i'd argue stratholm was the pivot point, whereas frostmourne was the nail in the coffin. arthas pretty much cut everyone from his life, slowly losing his remorse with the one-track mind of vengeance and blind faith in the lich king.

at the moment he took frostmourne he was too easily manipulated and had officially gone off the edge. if others could see why he had to make that decision at stratholm, he would've felt "tha tru pow3r of frienship! ^^" and probably wouldn't have gone so lone wolf the rest of his life.

but alas, no one knew the struggles arthas kept close to his heart. it's the tragic price to pay for the nobility of royalty.

>>378863316
The alternative was risking undead running rampant through a civilian populace in that case.
Most of the North has been getting fucked so at that point its about damage control so anyone near the infected grain needs to be burned to prevent them getting out and causing further infection.
Given time they could quarantine yes but its shown in-game that the whole town is going to get massacred one way or another

>>378863478
Neither did Sylvanas nor Garrosh
The only true moral value in Azeroth is strength

>>378853679
Arthas right, if a single branch of a fruit tree is rotting, you cut off the branch to stop the rot from spreading.
Uther was a pussy who couldn't admit sometimes you have to kill a few to save a multitude. If Uther has helped purge the city, Arthas may have never went batshit because Uther would of been able to talk sense into him about going to Northrend. Arthas's respect for Uther would of increased after the purging.

>>378863548
The alternative is devising another aggressive and deciding to kill everybody when it's clear you have to. At that moment it wasn't clear yet that the whole city is fucked.

>>378861896
This. Alliance fucked themselves in the foot by treating one of their strongest allies like shit. Thank god for the Horde.

>>378862886
Sounds like every western kingdom ever. Also like USA foreign policy.

>all the autists ITT uncapable of uderstanding Uther's course of action
Uther hasn't seen a single human being turned to undead, when he came to save Arthas at Hearthglen he saw an already converted undead army.
When he faced the order of purging one of the biggest cities of the kingdom because it was completely infected, at the moment all the proof he was presented with was the words of an impetuous child, so he obviously said no because it wasn't trust-worthy.

Jaina was just a weak cunt though.

>>378863361
they could have had it that way no problem but they needed garithos to be a cartoon villain

we saw that he returned with an army, ofcourse he would reinforce his flank, i feel like i've talked with you on this already in another thread, same "arguments"

>>378863365
i knew a guy who won without the naga on normal, defending is totaly possible for a limited ammount of time - just until Garithos arives back

>>378863780
Bloodelves betrayed the alliance, the punishment for treason is death.

>>378863757
aggressive plan, typed it out too fast.

>>378863842
Faggot the Alliance turned their back on the Blood Elves, not the other way around.

>>378863247
Because it's true, and no one can refute it. Orcs are merciless warmongering killers, who fight everyone just for fun, even when there is no need for it. They developed nothing of their own, they don't have a civilization. The only reason why Warcraft as a universe even exists, the reason why humans with all their advanced technologies didn't bomb those niggers to hell in a few months is simply: superpowers out of nowhere. Demons to be exact. Orcs sided with the supernatural evil creating every problem there were, and every game in the franchise up until the Dindu Nuffin retcons started are simply us overlooking how humanity gets raped by nigs wielding power of hell.

>>378863842
>i knew a guy who won without the naga on normal
Niga normal in W3 is babby mode, I wouldn't be surprised if you could beat every single mission with your starting units.
On hard the computer actually gets serious, and it actually changes his unit composition, so you can't just play a cookie-cutter build and deflect anything.

>>378863916
Go play the campaign, Kael joined the naga.

>>378864059
yes you can, just shoot down all of ther flying, you have dragonhawks for fucks'sake - its obvious that the naga lured the undead into the region to get kael on their side

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>>378857291

This 100%

Paladins are fucking stupid. "lawful awful" indeed.

>>378854813

Human racism in fantasy settings is always so hard to swallow because any sentient race is almost always stronger, cooler, and/or more tech/magically advanced.

I think the only races that are "worse" on more fronts than humans in Warcraft are trolls and orcs.

>>378864091
It was that or death, and he intended it to be a temporary alliance. Before that, he had fought the Naga with Maiev and Tyrande.

I've read somewhere that Vash found a way to inform Garrithos of Kael's betrayal so that he would have a reason to arrest him, and Kael a reason to join Illidan.

>>378860109
Splitting northrend into nothing with his magic global warming was working pretty well till all the retards of the world tried to stop him.

He would never have been in a situation to pick up the crown.

>>378863787
All Jaina wanted was to study. She has almost no war experience. She just tags along and ends up witnessing some deep shit. Don't blame her more than blaming everyone else.

>>378864182
They don't come with their transports alone, they send flying AA units with them too.
It doesn't matter whether you can deflect a few, you're going to get overwhelmed eventually.

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>>378864184
It's not racism. They're a different species than us and I'll pick a human being over a knife-eared cunt any day.

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>>378855572
>as if I could forgetti

>>378863649
>Neither did Sylvanas

I'm pretty sure she's been resurrecting people from the dead that she's killed just so her "people" don't go extinct. Then there's also the point where she's hunting for ways to enslave Val'kyr for immortality. She's just turning into the Lich King 2.0 at this point.

>>378864184
Humans can use Arcane magic with little to no side effects. This is pretty big.

>>378864336
that is what the naga wanted him to think, the nightelves told him who the naga were, so joining them is retarded

you just prooved it yourself, the naga pushed the undead on him then pretended to be his ally - garithos knew bloodelves needed their mana, he knew the demons - naga had felmagic

>>378864371
depends on how you set your shit up, garithos would have returned and saved the day - eventually

>>378863524
Nah. Blizzard writing have always been cheesy as if it was a cartoon. Arthas didn't do anything wrong up until he dun goofed by taking this personal vengeance on Mal'ganis. That was stupid back in 2002, it's still stupid today. Why on earth he would go to a different continent simply to chase some evil mook? Can you imagine a prince of the kingdom going to a harsh distant continent because he wants to kill some terrorist? Doesn't make any sense. Metzen made him a Lich King because it's a metaphor, you know, corrupt paladin who was destined to become a king, became the wrong kind of a king.

I really feel like people who suck Arthas all day are posers from the world of gaming, who associate the entire franchise around him. A pathetic Mary Sue who destroys stuff because he's mad. Arthas plotline is something straight out of anime, there is nothing to discuss, really.

>>378854813
Blizzard, but shitting all over Kael in TBC.
Like, how the fuck do you go from
>I care about my people and want them to have a place to live and a way to overcome their addiction!
to
>DEMON DICKS ARE SO GOOD OH GOD I'M DROWNING IN FEL SEMEN. KIL'JAEDEN-SAMA GIVE ME YOUR SPERMSPAWN. BLOOD ELVES? WHO THE FUCK CARES, I NEED DEMONIC COCKS

>>378864836
Elves are thirsty sluts for dick anyway, what do you expect?

>>378864585
What did you miss in
>The only true moral value is Azeroth is strength

Sylvanas is just trying to secure the existence of her people and a future for undead children.

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>>378864961
> a future for undead children

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>>378864961
There are no undead children. Why is that?

>>378864836
that was the plan all along, it was forshadowed that kael doomed the bloodelves

>>378865118
Cuz killing children in games is forbidden. And plot-wise they would probably explain it that converting children is useless waste of resources, since they will never grow up.

>>378865147
wnaat

>>378865118
Imagine loli zombies

>>378864836
Illidan's junk was too small for him, clearly

There's also the fact that Illidan went on a crusade to kill Arthas which entirely failed and in which Kael was not only denied revenge, but he also saw his people pay a huge price for his master's failure.

That, and the fact that Kil'jeaden thought he had "potential". See the final cinematic of TFT campaign.

>>378864757
that's pretty damn true. but the thing i'm still hung up on is the potential he could've had as a better character. not all great stories are a result of some ridiculous tragedy. and i hate that arthas was essentially a huge cop-out.

>>378865216
But you could bang an undead kid if they were over 18. Worth.

>>378865118
>>378865216
In the WC3 Human Campaign, little Timmy (from a previous mission's sidequest) gets turned into a ghoul.

>>378864184
Taurens are overall stronger and closer to nature, but still pretty primitive as a society and can't wield arcane magic.
Forsaken are probably more "sturdy" due to being undead, I don't remember if they are immortal or do their bodies decay completely over time, lost connection to the Light and are harmed by it (there are only few exceptions of Forsaken who can still wield the Light). You could argue their origins are humans, but they are still just comparable.
Dwarves aren't that much more advanced than humans, only live longer, all their tech comes from gnomes - and gnomes have some severe drawbacks that balance their knack to technology (who is often destructive anyway).

Humans are pretty much always portrayed as balanced race in fantasy settings, but WoW humans are rarely an underdog and worse than other races. Different races might have their perfect scores in some fields, but humans instead of being overall average are more like above average.

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>>378865343
> kid
> over 18

>>378865371
More of an easter egg than anything. There's also a small ghost girl in vanilla Eastern Plaguelands.

>glad you could make it, Uther
>watch your tone with me, boy


Seriously, why this aggressive response by Uther? Arthas tone was pretty normal, no disrespectful at all

>>378865458
Uther was probably distrusting of Arthas since Heathgleen where he might have saw the first signs of corruption.

>>378865371
There is nothing wrong with kids dying for as long as the great evil does it. If we were asked to slaughter children in the game, the press would start shitflinging and remove that Rated T from the box.

>>378862886
They are portraited as
>MUH NOBLE BARBARIANS!
But in reality they are just animals, made to be slayed by humans.

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>>378865295

>>378865458
In pretty much every culture, even the most laid back ones, calling someone of a higher stature casually by name is an offense.

>>378865458
Come on, it was an off-color remark, it's so obviously full of sarcasm.

>>378865571
>This person might be corrupted
>Better act like a dick and aggravate them at every opportunity

Fucking Paladins mang

>>378865683
I fapped way too much to that one.

>>378865683
That's a JS zombie!

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>>378864184
Where the spellbreakers inspired by that one scene in the first LotR movie where the orcs clash with elves and the elves just swing their blades on them? You know the one I'm speaking about. It was in the retrospection to the battle.
>Mfw I realised it just now

>>378865216
you can kill kids in WC3 though

>>378853679
no he was not
it was literally the most un-Paladin thing you could do in that situation

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>>378865885
I wanted to call you an idiot, but then checked the dates.
>14 years later

>>378862918
You mean the internment camps that Lordaeron didn't need to construct in order to study and help the orcs except for Blackmoore's camp.

Hey Blizzard, W3 need a remake with better graphics and 1080 support

>>378853679
Jaina fucked up. She was with Arthas, saw all the plague shit first hand and knew what could happen. She should've told Uther about it since he would've likely trusted her judgement more than his hothead apprentice bitching at him.

>>378866293
Nahhh

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>>378866293
Only after you buy SC Remastered, stupid goy

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>>378853679
Couldn't they just like, use holy magic to cleanse the people?

>>378866350
Jaina was a dumb bimbo, a young apprentice with no experience who wanted to take a fat green cock. It's WoW where they turned her into bitch with superpowers.

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YOU LIED TO YOUR MEN AND BETRAYED THE MERCENARIES WHO FOUGHT FOR YOU

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>>378855572
>suspenderoni your pepperoni

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>>378866425
> cleanse the people

>>378854767
Uther and Jaina having hesitations to do the morally questionable thing is in itself understandable and because of that I respect both of them.

Still Arthas was right in the purging of the city.

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>>378866425
That's what they did.

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Sylvanas did nothing wrong.

>>378865295
There was an anime with that. Bahamut whatever.

>>378866589
Magni's comeback in WoTLK was lame and gay

>>378866672
It is for Jaina, Uther is senior Paladin and should be expected to react to intense situations like that but instead wanted to retreat and leave the entire north to get fucked

>>378853679
Literally everything bad that happened was because of Uther and Jaina, whom just abandoned their friend during his moment of need. He made a tough but correct deduction and they then drove him into a corner.

>>378865885
TANGANOHAAAAAAAID

>>378866857
Was there anything except Ulduar that wasn't lame and gay in Wotlk? I doubt it.

>>378866878
As a senior paladin with firm beliefs he can't just order a slaughter of innocent citizens. You could say he was less flexible than Arthas and didn't understand the nature of the threat - not enough to commit what he would see as an atrocity.

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>>378853679
Uther was a cuck. Arthas was making Azeroth great again but Uther and that sjw bitch Jaina couldn't handle it.

>>378867181
Then he should at least be willing to enter the city or argue in favour of a quarantine rather than just leave it to the whims of what he believes is a mad Arthas

>>378867181
>As a senior politician with firm beliefs he can't just order a slaughter of innocent jews. You could say he was less flexible than Hitler and didn't understand the nature of the threat - not enough to commit what he would see as an atrocity.

>>378867439
This city must be purged
>no there must be another way
I'm your king you must obey my orders
>youre not my king and even if you were i wouldnt follow that order
That's treason so I'm going to suspend you and your paladins from duty, fuck off

So do you kill the prince, burn down the city or walk away?

>>378867082
Wraithgate battle
The Grizzly Hills and Howling Fjord, and actually, almost all the zones of WoTLK were aesthetically and thematically pleasing, except maybe the borean tundra. Too bad some were underused.

>>378867239
I'm telling you, no one is a best paladin than Arthas. No one, he's the best, the very best. I tell you. Nobody heals like Arthas does. Those elven paladins ? Losers.

>>378867687
Zuldrake was shite

>>378867814
I must disagree. I really like Blizzard's take on trolls, with high-culture empires spawning continents who are now shadows of their former selves.
Also, I find that the premise of killing your own gods to gain power interesting.

>>378861459
>city is absolutely fucked either way
>choose the reaction that doesn't make you a monstrous fantasy hitler

Not sure I see the problem.

>>378867686
You follow him in and try to stop him, and if he doesn't stop then kill him yes.
If Uther believed he had lost his mind then he would see that as a justifiable action. Instead he left a city to die in the hands of a madman

>>378866804
Except literally becoming lich king 2.0: even worse edition.

>>378859018
*14

>>378868429
At that moment when you're accused of treason and suspended from duty you aren't able to follow him unless you back it up and agree to massacre Stratholme. You have to fight him right there if you're going to stop him. Uther walks away faced with two terrible options.

>>378853679
The thing is he purged the people who looked normal too without checking.

>>378868101
city itself was fucked either way, but doing nothing would have resulted in several thousands of additional people dying
it's the choice between killing a city or letting a plague spread around the entire country

>>378869041
Ironically if Uther had died there, it may have stopped Arthas, he may have stopped after Stratholme and said something like "Too much has been lost today" Rather than what happened later where Uther was cut down at the start of Arthas's DK spree.

>>378869041
And Arthas faces killing this city or letting the entirety of the north being infected and the Scourge attacking Lordaeron.
Uther immediately decided to oppose Arthas rather than try and find out anything, if he really did feel Arthas was in the wrong then just meekly accepting his orders makes no sense

>>378865684
>Uther
>Higher stature than the Crown Prince

Fuck off mate. He might not of been king yet, but Prince is above Knight of the Silver Hand

>>378869319
In times of war against undead Arthas is outranked.

>>378869319
Learn what hierarchy is, brat. He may be the prince, but Uther is still his superior as a paladin.

>>378869074
He had to maker sure they weren't passive carrier. If one passive carrier went to the capital city, bye bye everyone.

>>378869456
So what you are saying is if Arthas had resigned from the Silver Hand on the spot, Uther wouldn't be able to pull rank.

>>378869269
Arthas immediately dismisses him for refusing to kill everybody in the city, there's no chance to find out more. Uther says there must be another way and the brat pulls the royalty card. It makes more sense for him to walk away than to turn on the crown prince in the middle of a scourge war.

>>378859838
Well I'm human too start with.

>>378869810
That's exactly what he did, and took paladins from Uther.

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If you had a time machine or a Bronze Dragonflight bro, what would have to be done in order to save Lorderon? What point in time would you go back to and what would you do?

>>378863928
Try to actually look up orc history before you comment. Reading this made my IQ drop. I feel sorry for you.

>>378870812
gas the orcs instead of putting them in concentration camps

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>>378870812

Put all of Lordaeron on a ketogenic diet.

I just can't fucking believe that there are actually Undead apologist better to say Forsaken apologist. Humans have every de jure right to whole Loarderone, and they should fight againg every foe untill every single inch of loarderon is cleansed from vile monsters, that think they are hot shit.

Scalet crusade is only worse in WOW than ,literally forcefully murdered people ressurected only to repeat that proces, because what? A demon retart like took control of them mang...

Loarderon is for humans!

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>>378855572

>*Ding*
>It's done!

>>378853679
Yes he was right

He didn't have to be a such a dick about it / go nuts afterwards though

however if Uther and Jaina had decided not to ditch him maybe he wouldn't have gone crazy (especially Jaina, I mean she helped in the downfall of her dad)

>>378870812
>Save Lorderon
What is there to save

Alternatively, I'd allow the Defias to overthrow the nobles

>>378855950
scourge, forsaken and just plain mindless unread are different things.

>>378861036
Because Christie Golden already wrote a book about it

>>378859298
Didn't illidan go to northrend to DESTROY ner'zhul? He was causing those quakes deliberately just to bring the frozen throne down, remember?

>>378861036
I really want films about the 3rd War in general. So much to tell.

>>378874006
After that last movie I dunno man, its a great story but they'd have to edit heavily for time

>>378869139
Which still happens anyway

>>378861347
But you did betray the mercenaries who fought for you.
What's happening to you Arthas?

>>378870812
shoot kelthuzad in the face before he can assemble the cult. Or go back even further and prevent nerzuhul from winning from the nerubians

>>378863062

>IRL
Top fucking kek

>>378874006
Unfortunately Arthas would probably be criticized for being an Anakin rip-off even though Warcraft III came out before attack of the clones

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What's with that look, Paladin? I know we just defeated the scourge but there is one last fight yet!

>>378870812

Kill Azshara. Like 99% of the problems can be traced back to the elves or draenei.