Which games got the melee combat right? Fighting games

>>378843708
fuck off, Skall.

Fucking hate those "fantasy" shitty spike swords.

>>378845082
The daggers might look okay if used by an otherwordly demon but otherwise they're pretty Kitsch.

>>378843708
Mountain Blade and Dank Souls.

Chivalry medieval warfare
I really don't know why Deadliest Warrior is so fucking clunky tought

>>378845252
That shit would chip and break. Structural weakness is real.

terranigma snes

Bushido Blade & For Honor.

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>>378845331
I actually always liked how War of the Roses did it more. Sure, server lag was a bitch but sheer freedom to damage someone by stabbing him between visor slits is kinda mindblowing.

>>378845357
It seems like the curved sword and the straight sword would probably be fine.

>>378845082
Agreed desu. Bottom pic says "I am graceful, simple, and functional". Top pic says "I guess I'm a sword"

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>>378845394
>For Honor
Stop right there, pal.

Exanima

>>378845574
It's not perfect but I liked it. I don't know of a better alternative.

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>>378845519
>everyone in the game wields the same sword
>really big swords are the same, just upscaled

Mordhau should fulfill your fantasies
It'll release early 2018 tho

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaT3GXdr5kM

Swords are supposed to be sleek and elegant, the generic fantasy trash we get nowadays is the exact opposite of that.

>>378845652
That. Combat may be a bit drunken but as far as sword and armour goes it's spot on.

>>378845873
I think it's because most people forget you would swing that sword for an extended period of time. You will get tired.

>>378845357
That's why I said "otherwordly". Magic devil steel doesn't give a shit.

Or it's just for ritual murder.

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>>378845873
>no pointed end

>>378845914
>not having a belt of +4 stam so you can swing whatever jagged misshapen lump of metal on a stick you find from murdering woodland fauna forever

>>378843708
Kingdom Come: Deliverance

>>378843708
DMC3, DMC4, Zelda Twilight Princess, Demon's Souls and company, the Star Wars episode 3 game for ps2/xbox, Bayonetta, W101

>>378846145
>DMC3, DMC4, Zelda Twilight Princess, Bayonetta

All of these are worthless suggestions. Feel free to off yourself weebtard

>>378846070
Not all swords have a very thin point at the top anon, those that do are generally made to stab through mail. That said due to the abrupt rounding, that sword is likely rounded so that it can be used in sparring and training without murdering the other guy should you decide to go for a stab.

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>>378846070
I know right? It's almost like it's a practice sword or something.

>>378843708
Skyrim.

horse & edge

why aren't people being murdered with swords anymore?

I think melee sword games are fundamentally broken

>>378846443
Not many of them in use around, so I guess it's easier to identify than a random knife that does the job just as well, is untraceable, and much easier to conceal.

Warband

>>378846498
it's a pretty lame to kill people with a cooking knife when you could slice their head off instead if you really wanted to

>>378846443
Because a gun is a lot better at that (well, at range at least) and easier to conceal. You can't conceal a longsword.

That said subhumans in third world shitholes (and some in first world countries too) still love using machetes so that's basically the same, except they're rather crude and swung with little skill by some favela monkey instead.

>>378846498
but yeah, true. they'll be quick to look for the guy taking his sword for a walk. it's not fair really

>>378846275
I understand DMC and Beyonetta not being accurate, considering that's not even the point, but Twilight Princess?
The melee combat is so simplistic it can't possibly be wrong.

>>378846443
They still are in third world countries.

>>378846432
>>378846513
>>378845308
Who "8 companions and 162 sharpshooters" here

>>378846145

Worst post I've ever read.

>>378846327
>Not all swords have a very thin point at the top anon
Swords that are designed for stabbing are

>>378846351
Nice fantasy sword

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>>378846828
Nice damage control.

>>378846606
ISIS proved you can do much decapitation with simple knives. But I agree it doesn't have the aesthetic. Taking three whole minutes of autistic back and forth motion is just not the same.

Also >>378846662
20 years ago you had a 1 million massacre in Rwanda with 75% done by machetes.

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>>378846807
>Get caught by huge enemy warhost
>Map is incredibly hilly where all infantry is constantly walking and cavalry max speed is 3mph

>>378846662
Generally more terrified of people with machetes, I've seen what a gun can do, quick death. That's dope,

but a fucking sword hacks you up, bleed out. Feel everything.

>>378846885
that 'machete' would be awful at chopping and hacking

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>>378845082
I unironically prefer sick ass looking weapons

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Exanima is up there

>>378843708
Only fighting games.
>M&B/Chiv.
>Slip and side floaty bullshit where characters dance around in the same range doing 720 rainbows or spastically feinting with zero variety, shit animations, etc. Worse melee genre currently out there.
>Dark Souls.
>Offense boils down to spamming light attack with infinites or resetting frane fraps. Nice emphasis on defense it least.
>DMC/Bayo.
>Great offense and spacing, but too little emphasis on defense for the most part and way too spammy, and basically a Mahvel training mode sim (aka worse than a fighting game).
>Nioh, For Honor, Revengence, other crazy games, FPV floaty PC shit.
>Just shit or seriously flawed.

Ninja Gaiden is probably the best, but it still sucks balls compared to a fighting game.

>>378847172
I think in Britain its kinda like holding a glock/revolver or whatever. Can't get a gun, so the next fashion, social statement (in shitty neighborhoods) you can make is the machete design.

>>378845496
The curved sword has a spike on its hilt, of course it's not ok. You're supposed to put your hands here.

>>378847092
Depends on where you get shot. A sword is a lot more deadly than a gun when it hits you, if you get hit properly with a longsword you will have a huge deep wound that will span shoulder to hip and you will lose consciousness from bleeding very fast. Same goes for machetes, though to a lesser degree maybe. A bullet will do a lot less damage so unless you get hit in vital parts, loss of consciousness from bleeding might take a lot longer.

Generally the difference is, someone attacked with a machete has a lot more options to defend himself, resulting in bad cuts to non-vitals (e.g. limbs), meaning in the end it takes a lot longer for someone to die from it (because he'll have 20 shitty cuts around the body instead of a pair well places ones). With a gun, the assailant aims at the torso and almost surely hits the torso, not your arms you put up in the way of it, so it's a lot easier to hit the vitals.

Knives are the worst anyway, seen videos of people getting repeatedly stabbed over 5+ minutes before they stop moving, and they've probably still not lost consciousness by that point. Knives are horrible.

>>378846935
>ISIS proved you can do much decapitation with simple knives
>Just seen a video with a decapitation with a small knife
>Realize it just needs motivation.
I shouldn't be surprised considering most meat are the same, but bone density varies more, and we have the lesser one.

>>378847205
you wouldn't prefer them in real battle.

you want a single durable piece of steel from tip to pommel, with as few extra parts as possible. certainly not any spikes and shit that will get in the way

>>378846935
>>378846662
There was a fencing school in Haiti that taught machete fighting when I was there a while ago. This was before the earthquake so I don't know if it's still around.

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>>378847172
Ya think?

>>378847403
You are correct. Rule of cool and all that.

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What games let me fight like so

>>378847495
t. someone who just watched that Haitian machete fencing video that's been going around recently

>>378847470
I agree with you, Comment was based on personal experience, not expert knowledge. My original statement doesn't change. Still more terrified of machetes then a pistol.

>>378847623
Mountain Blade
To a lesser extent, Chivalry.

>>378847531
Wouldn't that be a moot point though? (image)
Then all the faggots would be trying to see who can buy the best.coolest cutlery. Why not address the core issue of the stabbings?

>>378847623
I thought those swords weighed as much as a bike. what the fuck?!

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>low level weapons look better than the high level ones
Why do devs always fucking do this shit?

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>>378843708
I agree.

>>378847487
Are you going into a real battle any time soon anon?

>>378847623
is this from a movie? looks rad and they use legit techniques.

>>378847936
Seen too many Hollywood movies anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc

Sykrim is pretty good if u can block and use altation magicc

>>378847487
Yes you are right, I want an AR-15

>>378843708
Any zelda game

I did kendo for a while, and even with the armor shit can still hurt

>mfw old japanese sensei said i was too sloppy and kept hitting me on the head for 5 fucking minute everytime i did a bad move


Fucking hurts mang jesus

>>378847965
that's irrelevant. I will always prefer real weapons to silly wall decorations

>>378848107
This is dope, it's like a more brutal form of kendo.

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>>378847806
>Why not address the core issue of the stabbings?
Because that's a long-term solution that doesn't have immediate payoffs or a feel-good bill that you can attach your name to.

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>>378848124
It sure is anon, I think I'll reinstall The Elder Scrolls™ V Skyrim® HD, just to play the amazing story telling, intelligent AI and fun!

I might also go and buy Fallout™ 4, I've heard some really good things about it!

>>378848140
Shotgun is better for home defense. That spread. (if you have shitty aim and don't practice constantly like most people)

>>378848050
It's a group that actually practices sword fighting
Adorea Olomouc on youtube.

>>378847623
We need more fight choreography like this. Notice how they still manage to dance around each other without fucking spinning ever 5 minutes. got anymore?

>>378847806
Why not adress the core issue of shootings? Probably partially because no one really wants to admit that there is an unknown something terribly wrong with first world societies, partially because politicians get off on power, and mostly because actually fixing things is hard, much easier to just ban the weapons involved and pretend that the issue is solved.

>>378847367
This.
Melee combat in videogames is still pretty shit aside from fighting games, with even games like DMC playing like shit. This topic is like:
>"What game haa the best grafixx? Only Ganeboy Advance games! No PC games allowed!"

>>378848418
That is really weird, but I get it. The lack of other weaponry kind of makes it a good go to for the votes. Looks silly from across the pond but I'm not surrounded by the culture.

>>378843708
What I find most pathetic is the little psuedo-intellectual nerd fuckboys who think they're smart and totally perceptive for pointing out design flaws in stupid gaudy armour. Like you want to make it clear to all your peers "I'm the smart one. I am the intellectual one. I understand combat and value logic above all" and you go on nitpicking this stupid shit that is made purely for the fuck of it. The overwhelming irony of it all is that you're the biggest motherfucking retard alive for actually believing you're the only one who can perceive the strategic faults of these designs and thinking other people aren't as perceptive as you. Here's a reality check you fucking cock wrangler. Everyone is aware of these things. They don't spend hours whining about it on image boards and forums and fucking youtube comment sections. Not because they're stupid, uneducated or unperceptive. It's because it's insignificant shit, and they aren't insecure enough to go whine about trivial realism bullshit in cheap, flashy entertainment. You're like the fuckwit that whines about people not knowing how bad fast food is for them because they continue to eat it. They know it's bad. They don't give a shit. You whiny little faggot.

>>378845729
Dark Souls pvp isn't even the main focus of the game and it's way better than that pile of garbage

>>378848746
Is this pasta?

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>>378845082
Fuck you, I like them

>>378848746
You're a retard.

>>378848809
>lags behind you
>pshh nothing personel kid.
Dank souls pvp. Not even once.

>>378848809
I couldn't disagree more.

>>378848964
Triggered.

>>378848893
Obviously, no one is talking about armor here

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>>378848893
Certainly not anon.

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Severance: Blade of Darkness
https://youtu.be/ENjCkTSbS5c
it has 10/10 OST too

>>378849039
>>378849039
I'm not the one who wrote a wall of text to talk about how butthurt I am about non retarded people not liking your fantasy sword shit.
Make yourself a favor and kys, no offense intended

>>378847943

Skyrim fucking killed me with that one. Why are iron armor and weapons the most accurate while the rest looks like trash?

I would gladly abuse the fuck out of alchemy/enchanting loop just to kill fuckers with an iron sword.

>>378848050
Its not legit. It looks like Arnis, the stick fighting martial art.

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>>378848649
I would argue that Gothic 2 has good melee. Then again: Most games fail at footwork, position, or speed. Or even something as basic as stances.

>>378843708
Gothic 1 and 2

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>>378848684
>Looks silly from across the pond
Not really, the same thing happens over here. Switchblades are banned for carry in a lot of states because people made things up about them to make them seem scary and we constantly have people pushing legislation concerning long guns when handguns are the most common murder weapons, with knives second.

http://gizmodo.com/why-switchblades-are-banned-1704050416

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>>378849576
>have a hatchet
>use knife to chop wood

>>378849694
retard

nice mercy btw

>>378849465
>Gothic 2
>shit hitboxes
>no parry or counter ( IIRC )
>zero weapon variety and limited moveset
>enemy sidesteps and hits you like a fucking god

>>378849694
Is that a guy?

>>378849413
It is legit, it's textbook German longsword fencing. Don't try dismissing something you obviously know nothing about.

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>>378849872
no but this is

>>378849850
Wait the limited moveset part is actually false now that i think about it.
It's actually the most varied based on my little experience with games.

>>378849850
>zero weapon variety
Thats a feature. Its half the reason the combat is as solid as it is. Even if a little different movement on different weapon types would be a nice touch.

>>378849465
Having played Gothic 2 less than a year ago, my takeaway was it did a few things good... But many things were bad, like animations that lacked impact, a lack of varied moves, a lack of melee balance, etc.

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>>378849363

>>378850096
Sure but just because it's a feature doesn't mean it's okay.
I want more than fucking one handed swords and two handed swords.
Mount and Blade does this part well.

Nioh'sgreat.
Alrhough some if the higher tier moves go into anime territory

>>378845082
I agree. They seem like they have an increased margin of error/technical difficulty.
Less bullshit means less can go wrong, therefore less to clean/fix.

>>378843708
>Fighting games need not apply.
What about Bushido Blade? Top tier weapon handling.

>>378846807
I've only ever done cavalry horse knights but this seems really interesting

maybe it'll let me fight in Rhodok territory finally

>>378846807
I wish I could anon, but I can never abandon my Sword Sister army.
The best vidya waifu is one that can slaughter your enemies and has all the polygons of an early PS2 game.

Witcher 3

>>378850163
Bad animations will be a thing, unless you add hitstops for normal hits, deformation on normal attacks, and maybe decapitation and full animation on lethals.

All attacks clipping is sadly the normal thing. And shitty overdone finishers.

>>378845652
Came here to post this.

>>378849330
Muh fuggin nigger

>>378843708
Dark Souls

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>>378843708
Whether or not it's "good" would be up for debate but Dark Souls/Demons Souls drew me in initially for the combat. I'd played enough shitty combat engines in the vein of Elder Scrolls that when I tried the Souls combat, I loved it. I remember stuff as simple as being able to two hand a weapon and have your attacks change amazed me. I loved flattening hollows with giant swords and clubs and the meaty sound effects when you'd get a critical hit. The games also have a nice balance of practical weaponry and fantasy weaponry. The games just have a learning curve but I enjoyed the fighting enough that I got past that.

>>378850570
I always wanted to try a Sword Sister army but fuck they take forever to train and will die instantly because a single rhodok crossbownigger got a lucky headshot

>>378848465
So I take it from your post you have never fired a shotgun before?

>>378848107
i would not want to (sword)fight those guys

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>>378850805
>Get hit with mace
>Tank it because your loincloth has relatively high poise
>Some people think this is getting melee combat right

>>378848465
>hurr i've played call of duty so i know how guns work
just how much do you think a shotgun spreads?

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>>378850849
DaS did a lot of beautiful things with all the 1H/2H weapon forms.
Meanwhile in Lords of Fallen, its basically a abomination, and its still partially that in Salt & Sanctuary.

And thats on top of how gorgeous the particle effects are for the resins.

>>378847623
Why they'd use a shaky cam for that fight scene is beyond me

>>378847936
Swords are easy to swing even if they're heavy (they usually aren't; even huge zweihanders top out at about 6kg) because a proper sword is weighted on the pommel so that the handle is the center of balance.

>>378843708
Kingdom's Of Amalur.

>>378845496
sure but they're made of stainless steel, you're gonna swing and its going to bend too much and break.

>>378848271
>demon sword made of pure demon steel
>wall decoration
I mean I know what you mean if the weapon is in a game where it was just forged by joe the blacksmith but looks like some flamboyant shit, but you're just being a faggot.

>>378852897
I think people just prefer a shaky cam.
I don't really know why either but most things i watch always use a shaking cam.

>>378853196
Handheld cameras ARE shaky cams anon.

>>378853046
>a proper sword is weighted on the pommel so that the handle is the center of balance
Show me a sword where the PoB is in the handle.

>>378853306
That's obviously not my point.
I mean you can probably set up a camera that zooms in the fight or something, just don't make it shake a lot. I've seen it even in videos that doesn't have anything going on.
I don't know much about cameras though so i may be wrong.

>>378850849
The great thing about DaS is you can do it all with your magic spiky goof stick or with your perfect practical straight sword both are perfectly viable

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Mount and Blade: Warband
That's the only answer worth listening too, these fags saying Dark Souls are laughable, even Severance had better melee combat than the entire franchise and the ridiculous weapon design didn't help
Oversized greatswords are no different from the spiky shit on OP

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>>378843708
mfw there are ACTUAL PEOPLE who think mount and blade is a good fighting system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSKl8pdBgs

you look like a bunch of spazzed out larpers

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>>378845252
this

spiky weird as fuck swords look good when wielded by demons or mythological beings, it makes sense to think they can wield impractical weapons with no issue

normal humans? not so much

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>>378853694
It's a well known fact that only faggots play on duel servers, it's the equivalent of Dark Souls arena

>>378847936
are you fucking retarded anon? they at most weight 2kg

>>378848418
>>378848418
Cooking. You actually need big knives for various kinds of cooking. Even prep with some fruit you 20 year old shitless fuck.

I am figuratively yelling at a brick wall here. Jesus Britain you used to conquer planets and unite all of humanity under your supreme douche whims. Now your men are scared of cooking and hunting equipment.

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>>378852061
First hit on Google literally for "shotgun spread at 10ft."

>>378853046
>Swords are easy to swing even if they're heavy (they usually aren't; even huge zweihanders top out at about 6kg) because a proper sword is weighted on the pommel so that the handle is the center of balance.
The balance point depends on the style of fighting, but in general, yes you're right on both points. One of the most common mistakes of fantasy swords is being comically heavy.

Basically, with sword weight, what you want is "exactly as heavy as it NEEDS to be to not break, and no heavier". Fencing weapons are exceptionally light and fast because there's no advantage to being heavier - and speed is critical. When you are up against armor and/or working with more primitive metallurgy, you need to be heavier to do the job, but you still want it to be as light as possible.

Imagine it like a weapons fighting game with a wide variety of weapon sizes and speeds (soul caliber or what have you), and then imagine it's always one-hit-kill. There's still some advantage to having reach, but slow weapons are absolutely terrible. There's no such thing as HP in real life. "My heavy sword does more damage per hit" is not a thing.

>>378853845
but anon I want a game about FUN DUELS

dont tell me I gotta wait for JUST soul calibur

Definitely the Batman Arkham games, in my opinion. They do it best.

>>378852061
>>378854080
>no mention of barrel length
>no mention of choke

Both of you are retarded.

>>378843708
Mordhau looks fun no spinning exploits like chiv
Kingdom come deliverance looks nice too

>>378853694
You need to play the game at a high level to appreciate it.

>>378854292
>moving the goalpost "no mentioning choke"
choke on a dick then

>>378850252
Why the fuck would you care about that in a fucking high fantasy setting

>>378848929

How do you unsheath that?

>>378853694
>he unironically wants the cinematic experience

>>378854535
I wish high fantasy was done properly.
One of the things that get me a boner about the Witcher series, is how Rune etching looks on weapons.
And high fantasy would just be to take the next step: Gigantic cool rune etchings on everything, to make them more practical

>>378853453
>I don't know much about cameras though so i may be wrong.
It's basically just an artifact of shooting handheld. "Deliberate" shaky cam is an attempt to simulate the amateur look of actual video like this one.

Basically, the "shakiness" of a video correlates pretty closely with your camera mount's moment of inertia (how easy it is to spin, for all you non-physics-nerds). Setups with a lot of length and/or mass are harder to spin and have less shake. This is why a common hack for eliminating shakiness is to put the camera on a tripod, fold up the legs and just carry the whole assembly around.

Home-made "steady cam" setups work on a similar principle - usually mounting the camera on one end of a heavy T-shaped bar made from steal pipe or similar. Actual professional steady cams solve the problem with a combination of a frame for the mount and various methods of inertia dampening (springs and the like).

>>378845082
All that extra protruding shit on the weapons on the top can get caught on a lot of random shit

>>378854424
quality comeback.

>>378847964
>not wanting to have your character look like War
lmao'ing @ ur life

>>378854080
Lol you're going to use birdshot for home defense?

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Post swords that you own.

>ctrl-f dark messiah
>0 results
sad!

>>378854663
Swords in the witcher games are actually pretty realistic looking.

Carrying two long blades on your back at once would be really hard to manage though.

>>378849413

I practiced HEMA for a few years, can confirm this is legit.

The swords generally weigh around 2 kilograms in total, although I would say the balance is more important than the total weight.

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>>378855039
>Lol you're going to use birdshot for home defense?
Depends on what you're defending against.

>>378854292
Looked it up. Wilson Standard model 12 ga. with 18.4" barrel.

Image search it if you want.

>>378848929
>>378854572
>How do you unsheath that?
Very carefully.

>>378843708
Mordhau will have the best melee combat, but it will be a while until release (2018)

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>>378855138
It also makes weapon variations stand out a lot more. The same with the insane weapons you can acquire in the almost final chapter.
Just a shame they dropped flat sword levels, because it benefited the game a lot.

>>378843708
CUHRAYZEE is almost all you need for melee combat.

>>378850405
Anon you should have been playing Rhodoks all along.
Just use your elite companion cavalry to exploit flanks.

>>378855039
Apparently bird shot is pretty lethal at 10 feet or so... Which is exactly what I posted.

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>>378854292
So, uh, what barrel length were you expecting?

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>>378843782
You fuck off. Aesthetics and practically over shitty spikes designed by a toddler who failed art class.

>>378855138
>Carrying two long blades on your back at once would be really hard to manage though.

Even carrying one on your back is ridiculous. Nobody's arm is that long and it's an awkward maneuver to make for our skeletal and muscular structure.

In the books he does really dumb shit to draw his sword, like tugs on the strap so hard it launches it into the air and then he catches it when it falls. You'd think as you were writing something so stupid it might occur to you that just maybe it might be a good idea to give him a normal sword scabbard on a waist belt.

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>>378848929
No you don't.

>>378855606
>Shit defense.
>Terrible, helpless enemies.
>Mahvel simulator.
>Zero spacing.
Just a worst mahvel desu

>>378856142
What's this from?

>>378850685
Kek

>>378855910

Yea? And a blank is lethal at an inch or so. Good luck maiming someone in your house who will more than likely be around 5 to 10 meters away and having them sue you because they aren't dead.

>>378856142
>>378856449
Nevermind, I just found it.

Dragons breath, baby>>378855039

>>378855503
This. and mount & blade to an extend

>>378847623
Kingdom Come Deliverance is exactly this type of fighting

>>378843708
>Ask question
>Answer need to apply
Fuck off, Drake.

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>>378843708
>>378845082
>>378845519
>>378850252

those fucking overdesigned fantasy swords amirite guys?

>>378856515
He would be fucked up enough that I could catch him (6-minute mile)
I'm actually not too worried about it anyways. I'm 6'2, 220, with a 500-pound deady, I can beat the crap out of most people. But if I do ever buy a gun for home defense, it'll be some sort of shotgun.

>>378857125
If you can't spot the massive differences between that and those shitty fantasy spiky swords, you're retarded.

>>378845475
My nigga! It's a shame the online community became so toxic.

>>378857281

Wow, what are you going to do after you catch him? Shoot him again? Good luck in jail. Just going to opt out and punch home invaders? Again good luck with that, I hope they don't have a gun for your sake. But, getting a shotgun for home defense, nice choice, just don't put fucking birdshot in it retard.

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>>378848967

>>378857407
if someone proved you that those spikes are practical you would suddenly start loving their design

I'm not saying they are but it's clear that you don't care about the actual aesthetic of a weapon but just want to feel "mature" for prefering something realistically practical over something that is an unrealistic/fictional design.

>>378857281
>6 minute mile

Enjoy plaque in your arteries

>>378843708
>muh realism

You need to be euthanized.

>>378843708
Severance: Blade of Darkness is awesome, Rune and DMoMM are really good, but have their flaws. Rune's multiplayer is top-notch.

Also Dwarf Fortress.

>>378857817
Again, refer to my previous post about your retardation.

>>378857281
>I can beat the crap out of most people
>posts lifting stats

frauds to the left, frauds to the right. just fags here though

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>>378845082
>>378845519
>>378850252
YOUR BLOOD WILL DO WELL

>>378857950
>Again, refer to my previous post about your retardation.
please do the same
if you didn't know that flamberge was an existing weapon you would think it's just another "stupid/childish" design like 98% of the people here does at first. That's why I'm saying that you don't actually care about the aesthetics of the weapon but just about the fact wheter it's realistic or "just a stupid fantasy design".

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>>378845082
while spiky swords didn't happen, throwing weapons could get pretty darn freaky

and aside from that Europe got very creative with the "how much weapons can we cram on the same pole"

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>>378857817
Best post itt tbqh desu ne

>>378848107
I want to see how knights would do this now, these are all one hit moves, how would someone actually finish them off?

>>378856412
>Terrible, helpless enemies.
I love this meme. You can immediatly tell who actually played the games and the people who just see combo videos on youtube.

Condemned if you want to knock the teeth out of hobos with lead pipes.

>>378858114
problem is your hypothesis is flawed in that everyone with a bit of basic knowledge regarding forging techniques and practical swordfighting techniques can easily point out why putting spikes on your sword is a dumb ass shit idea so there's no chance of them being practical

and it is not hypocrisy to change your opinion if you are proven wrong, nor is it wrong to have an opinion that might in the future be proven wrong

so if someone prefers his swords to look realistic the proper thing to do is to severely dislike spiked fantasy swords

>>378858430
That is how it was done, any one of those blows are usually the end of the fight, any remaining time will be spent by the attacker keeping distance while the wounded bleeds out. If they aren't, you'd take a step back and defend against the opponent's counter, if he can counter. Now if the knights had plate armour then combat would be radically different and they would not be fighting like that in the first place.

>>378858430
Probably tackle the other knight, wrestle and try to stab the other guy in the armor gaps with a knife.

>>378858591
That's a long post to just say "you're right, I am just a hipster".

>>378858641
How would they fight in plate armour?

>>378858641
properly armored knights fighting would be about trying to spot a weakness and slip your weapon in that or else wrestle the other guy and be the first to jam your dagger into his eyesocket or so

that said, unmounted knight vs knight combat was very rare

>>378858710
no it's a long post saying: you're wrong dipshit

>>378858591
enchantments and magical forging usually requires outrageous adornments or transforms the weapon in the process

The spikey fantasy weapons are way stronger and therefore way more practical than the unmagical pieces of metal you prefer, sorry m8

>>378858710
Here I was enjoying your back and forth and you had to ruin it.

>>378858947
>you just dislike these because they're not practical, it has nothing to do with their design
>no I dislike them because they are not practical, if they were practical I would like them
Yeah, you really proved him wrong.

>>378859031
That was my first post in this discussion, I just wanted to point out that he didn't contradict the other guy at all, he just gave a really long explanation for why the guy was right

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>>378858806
Two ways: either grab the blade with their pommel hand, using it as a precision stabbing weapon to target weakpoints (e.g. eye slits) and as a lever to wrestle the opponent to the ground, break his joints, etc. (which facilitates stabbing the aforementioned weakspots), as seen on the left. Alternatively, grab the blade with both hands and turn it into an improvised blunt weapon to damage through the armour plate, as seen on the right.

It usually ends up being wrestling with the aid of the sword as a lever really, often you try to get your opponent immobilized enough that you can safely go for your knife and stab it into some weakspot.

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>>378857125
>Hey look guys, a different kind of purely aesthetic status symbol bullshit that people used to do with their swords!
Oh wow you sure showed everyone.

>>378857749
tapping into the speedforce

>>378858979
and in a world where magic exists and is that powerful using a sword is stupid to begin with so all swords are impractical

>>378846351
>federschwert
good fuckin' taste my dude

>>378858979
Good Sword + Enchantments > Bad Sword + Enchantments

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>>378843708
The challenge with making weapons realistic is also making them diverse.
I mean the bottom pic just looks generic and boring. Underrated historical weapons should be used.

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>>378843708
Souls games definitely did it right. I love how the enemies act similarly to you, like drink estus, backstep, parry, block etc and not just spam their 1-2 attacks like in dmc (except in DaS2, there they pretty much only do that).

The only problem with the game is that they don't have actual harder difficulties with faster reacting enemies and stuff like in dmc.

>>378859046
>I like my swords to actually work like swords should in addition to being good looking
>YOU HYPOCRITE HOW DARE YOU

>>378858459
This. You have to put in a lot of work to actually git that gud at DMC/Bayonetta/anything that's not Ninja Gaiden. Shit takes a lot of practice.

>>378858591
but a flamberge literally has spikes on it

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>>378847487
I guess we can all agree with this.

>>378859497

Sheaths that don't look like an afterthought might help. Thats pretty slick looking, and I'm a fantasy weapon fag.

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>>378859676
>scabbard that not only does nothing to actually protect the blade but in addition actually makes it more difficult to draw

why does virtually every damn fantasy game do this

>>378859541
No, you said "I like my swords to be practical and looks are irrelevant"

>>378855503
>>378856836
Alpha is coming in august already I hope they deliver and don't downgrade it somehow

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>>378858979
>Make spikey sword
>Make normal weapon, but enchant the shit out of it via etching and using a non standard blade core
Even the fucking Japanese got this right in their fiction.

For Honor did a great job with it's combat if you ask me, just a shame about the clueless devs being unable to balance the game.

>>378859907
or you know, put most of the enchantments on the scabbard
it's actually very common in mythology

What's the worst offender in terms of 'abhorrent looking fantasy weapons/armor'? I'd say WoW maybe only rivaled by some shitty asian MMO

>>378859928
it's not just the balance tho, the game really didn't had much depth after the basics.

Sure, for visuals it looks unique but for mechanics it's just a very simplistic 3d fighting game.

>>378860068
Sadly, Celtic mythos is underrated as fuck.
Meanwhile in Norse, all the enchantment goes on to the wielder gear.

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>>378843708
This is why i love the Astora greatsword

Big beautiful simple, and functional. Plus, it's really the only weapon that makes being a dexfag worthwhile.

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>>378860139
I'm so glad no one working on high fantasy games listens to realismfags.

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>>378860350
>I'm so glad these thematically opposed people don't listen to each other

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>>378860350
>Want to talk about fantasy weapons
>Posters mentions WOW
>Posts a pre WOW weapon

>>378860350
>im so glad this piece of shit mmo got popular enough to pollute armor and weapon design for years and years because thats how shit my taste is

>>378848809
Complete nonsense.

>>378843708
In spite of the memes, I liked FFXV's combat. It's simplistic yet well animated, meaning it's AMAZING to play if you're stoned.

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Lets trigger realisum fagbois

Kingdom Hearts
Devil May Cry 3 and 4
Soulsbourne
Bushido Blade
Shinobi (PS2)
Most Platinum Games

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>>378860350
As an addendum, I stopped playing WoW years ago and I've forgotten how silly it gets in later expansions.

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>>378859737
>the speed of those swings

>>378860336
Holy shit, that sword looks fantastic. That's DS3 right?

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>>378861235
yep

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>>378860967
Why would a transforming weapon trigger anybody?
If anything, its not fancy, and thats a shame

>>378860967
It'd be more triggering if the spikes were pointed down so they'd catch on everything.

Really, this sword isn't even that bad compared to the other shit aside from it being chunky. This is a monster tail, right? If so then it probably wouldn't break easily if it could bend at all, which it likely could since it can change it's length.

>>378843708
None because you can't replicate grappling with current controls.

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>>378860967
I really like this one

>>378860336
It's not a dex weapon though

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>>378861308
Transforming weapons are a real thing.

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>>378861685
It looks like a African axe sword on steroids.

>>378861723
it scales best on dex. Hell it scales good on anything you infuse it with, but infused with Sharp, it scales on an S and wrecks shit

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>>378861752
Yeah, but fantasy transforming takes it a leap further.
Which is really awesome when it gets elaborated enough.

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>>378861504
>This is a monster tail, right?
A Longsword made from an equally-spiky monster

>>378861893
It's a quality weapon, not a dex weapon. It's also really strong with Heavy infusion, but it's best with a quality build and refined infusion.

>>378843708
Skyrim

>>378861974
How much does it do on refined+10?

I'm hitting up sharp +10 and the scaling bonus alone is 334 on top of 290 base damage if i recall correctly

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>>378858806

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>>378861903
Yup.

>>378843708
the two swords on both the outsides look pretty usable honestly. Everything inbetween them is halal.

>>378862093
At +10 refined it's low B/high B so it does a lot of damage at +10. Its base damage is only 6 points of AR lower too. I don't remember the exact AR bonus right now but it's really high.

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>>378860336
>that charge
>tear Pontiff Knights a new asshole

best feel

>>378856065
Source?

>>378862235
Well the quillons on the left look pretty stupid, but yeah. Those two are the least offending.

>>378862283
Fucking hate those infinite stamina, mile wide frost reach cunts. Love how much the AGS punishes them though. Don't get me wrong I still love my Zwei, but you can't go wrong with that charge

>>378862271
I guess i'll look into it

>>378861974
>>378862271
After the refined nerf, there are almost no more quality weapons.
95% of weapons will probably do better with a sharp infusion while saving you at least 20sl.
A sharp AGS does the same damage with 16str/40dex and a refined AGS with 40/40.

>>378859178
>>378862175
Seems impractical if your sword is even a little bit sharpened.

>>378862652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwuQPfvSSlo

>>378862652
You hold the flat, not the edge. It presents a tiny risk to your hand but the alternative is to fight a knight with the blade of a longsword which is useless. I assure you his blade will hurt you a lot more than the tiny cuts your own might cause you on your hands.

>>378847623
>attacks are aimed at the opponents sword and not his body

its still shit

>>378862235
The "sabre" doesn't look too bad either if it's for a video game, daggers not withstanding, only one of those swords would still look like shit in a video game.

>>378863085
Attacking an opponent's body while their sword is ready to guard or counter is very dangerous.
You may get that mortal strike in, but then you're even more open than your opponent was if they have their sword ready.
Attacking their sword to force them into a block, which you anticipate and slide around is much safer

>>378860983
>Shinobi (PS2)
those fucking dogs I swear to god

>>378863085
There is a process to it. You don't just go straight swinging at the guy. You have to take his position into consideration, and the reason mustache guy was able to overpower Christmas pants guy is because he forced him into guarding hews from his sword, opening him up for that heave kick.

>>378847623
Please post more of this kind of duels. I need them for reference!

>>378863085
>>378863609
The fighting is good but obviously a bit choreographed. Doesn't change that it's about as close as it gets to a real longsword fight with a few concessions here and there to make it drive the plot (and not end in 2-3 swings).

What games have fun spears?

>>378863989
Terranigma.

>>378864034
Will give it a shot, thanks anon.

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Doesn't matter what game.

if it has a true renaissance German two handed sword, I'm going in.

what games have good flails?

>>378843708
War of the Roses. Armor actually stops damage properly, without being too OP. Visors reduce your vision, but better keep em down or you might regret it.

Nothing is more satisfying than being an archer, forced into melee by a knight, then stabbing him through his helmet slit with an incredibly lucky swing of my dagger.

>>378865320
For honor, the original Castlevania.

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>>378855109
I don't own any except for a few machetes passed down in the family. I want to own something like pic related some day.

>>378847623
Literally Warband.
>Footwork
>Blocks
>Parries
>Feints
>Kicks
Add momentum and some Judo and there you have it.

>>378862652
>>378862874

iirc those particular places were kept dull for this purpose ?

JUST

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>>378858205
>yfw getting speared by the African dickerang

>>378856107
It's definitely harder to draw, with the tradeoff that a proper back-harness can make it easier to do all the running / jumping / climbing-trees with a longer weapon.

They also get credit for doing some homework on that one. In W3, at least, they actually took the time to make the drawing and sheathing animations so that he pulls down the scabbard with his off hand and leans forward slightly to make it work. It's a little detail, but I appreciated it.

>>378849404
I always used the mod to swap plate armor with Temerian armor from Witcher 2.

>>378854080
Google Shotgun choke

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>>378856107
In the books, he is the kind of person that do really stupid shit, either for one liners sake, or to make people underestimate him.

Like, Witchers are suppose to twirl a little, to increase their field of vision and increase their cut power a little.
Geralt is a turbo ballerina on steroids, so he can make people underestimate him due shitty movement.

>>378865484
>I want to own something like pic related some day
Something so fat and heavy you can barely swing it?

>>378867842
>In the books, he is the kind of person that do really stupid shit, either for one liners sake

This. It's weird how many people wondered why Geralt would save Olgierd when fucking with a crossroads demon for bragging rights is something he would totally do.

>>378858205
>and aside from that Europe got very creative with the "how much weapons can we cram on the same pole"
This was usually a case of "different strokes for different(ly armed and armoured) folks". You'd start with a blade for chopping, maybe, then add a spike on the reverse side for penetrating armor, then maybe put a spearpoint on for versatility, etc. Every polearm head was a response to a specific need.

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>>378868208
Geralt of Rivia: Daredevil Supreme

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>>378849330
Aw yes

>>378843708
Anyone who says Dark Souls is a fucking idiot.

>>378856107
That sounds like something out of an anime what the fuck

>>378870789
Demon's Souls :^)

>>378870802
>That sounds like something out of an anime what the fuck
It undoubtedly started as a Rule Of Cool thing that they later tried to brush over with a coat of realism. The original reason was, he's a monster hunter, so he's got one sword made of silver for killing ghosts n goblins n werewolves, and one sword made of steel for killing flesh-and-blood enemies. He only ever fights with one at a time, appropriate to the enemy.

So, fine, that's one of those "OK, that's neat" things, but the question of how do you practically carry two longswords comes up and here we are.

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The Zweihander is everything you will ever need in a fantasy or real scenario (if guns are out of the scene obviously)

I'm actually ok with both sides of the spectrum as long as it fits the game's world.

I'd never expect Monster Hunter, for example, to go for realistic weapons when you're entire job description is to fight against monsterous titans and while you yourself can lift a sword the size of a cow without too much trouble anyway.

On the other hand Mount and Blade or something more realistic needs to stick to normal hunks of metal, not overly decorative nonsense.

>>378854572
There's a slit that runs up the entire side of the sheath. It lets you pull the entire thing out at once while also "snapping" into place when you insert it.

Dark Messiah is pretty fucking good. Combat in Dishonored wasn't as good, but pretty close too.

>>378872865
Dishonored had good combat that could be comboed and mastered amazingly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKyT19o-Nl8

>>378854949
giant dad should be on the left side

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>>378872001
Only if you're going against pikemen really.

Don't get me wrong, I love the zwei, but it's a specialty weapon.

>>378847315
wow desu

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>>378857749
>2 phantoms to kill an npc invader