Where'd the Fire Emblem: Echoes thread go? Reminder to

Alright guys can we go one thread without having representatives for each setting calling each other retarded.

>>378818094
Well Echoes
>Brought weight back
>Brought the superior, not broken support system back
>Has magic use hp to limit its usefulness
>In general, the physical/magic balance was restored, something noticeably not present in Fates
>Has villagers and villager forks so there's actually MORE replay value and ways to build your team, without a very rigid way to do things like in Cuckquest. I'm in awe you even said this, there's the Deen/Sonya choice, too.
>Really well done DLC with varied objectives that you can and should get for free
>Dungeons that help with the worldbuilding and were fun and fluid, noticeably unique compared to every other single dungeon crawling you can find on the vita
>No lunge ninjas
>final maps that don't shit the bed and do a 180 in terms of quality, it actually improves, din't even pretend like Fates didn't do this
>Thabes was a great postgame option genuinely a challenge and fixed one of the biggest plot holes in Awakening
not gameplay but
>A revamped story and characters that actually give you motivation to continue with the games and not make your head hurt from excessive eye rolling, like in a certain other game.
And you disputed zero of my points bout Conquest. Conquest did not improve the weapon triangle, you dumb baby. It convoluted it with shurikens and bows which was completely unnecessary, and even FURTHER nerfed magic. At least Echoes had limited inventory so you can't just have every overpowered weapon on you and some Elixers too

>inb4 five thousand of Conquest babbies screaming I'm wrong with zero evidence
please leave

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Faye is CUTE!

>>378788715 reached the bump limit.

You guys beat Thabes yet? What compositions?

I'M READY TO ROLL

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>>378819585
Faye best girl

Fuck Celica

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>>378819585

In some instances, I wish Clair would have won the Almbowl.

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>>378819531
Imagine being this assblasted and delusional at the mere existence of a good video game.

>>378819784
Imagine having literally zero arguments

Faye is a pathetic cuck of a village girl and can never compete with princess Celica

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>>378819957
Celica is a dumb sheltered technical princess and Clair is better.
On a related note, has anyone got a good Clair 3DS theme?

>>378819531
People actually liked Fates' weapon triangle? What?
Also, the reclassing system was ass backwards in all of Fates. A lot of Conquest's mechanical problems come from Fates itself.

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>>378819585
>>378819750
I WANNA BE ALM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>378819874
I don't need to imagine it I read your shitpost.

>>378819784
Right back at you tbqh

>>378819784
>justice is an illusion
>rawr is dragon for I love you
>good
neck yourself

>>378820110
That's still not an argument. The only good thing about Conquest was the maps. Mechanically, it wasn't very good and was quite broken.

>>378820140
What game am I assblasted over? I like and appreciate all FEs for different things.

I'm more mad that Valbar passed up fucking prime boipussy Leon. Your family is dead Valbar, might as well try out something new.

>>378820205
They way mechanics interact with a map is what makes them good.

>>378819280
I want to shoot the sheep

From that earlier thread, yeah I meant tacthack.
It is never going to get finished cause all they do is release demos instead of actually finishing the fucking thing.

>>378820052
GRAYED

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>>378819585

>>378819280
Touch fluffy hair

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>>378820102
>ywn be surrounded by an army of 10/10 waifus all lusting for your dick

>>378820292
No, it was thew objectives and map layouts that made Conquest maps good. Echoes did a great job of introducing arts and shit to balance out terrain bonuses and make the pretty unsatisfying maps pretty enjoyable with its mechanics. I definitely believe that Conquest had great maps, but I think they made better gameplay decisions with Echoes.

>>378820367
>meanwhile faye on the left is giving her soul up to the darkness in order to gain the power to kill that dumb bitch Celica.

never betray the yandere.

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>>378820356
They're cute together.

>>378820102
>it's okay when Roy and Alm have harems

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>>378819531
>DLC with varied objectives that you can and should get for free

You can get the dlc for free?

>>378820356
Gray is the man so he deserves it.

>>378819750
>>378820052
CLAIR
TAKES
BLACK
PEASANT
DICK

B L A C K
P E A S A N T
D I C K

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>>378820367

delete this

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>>378820581
Knock it off Tobin, Gray isn't a nigger.

>>378820102
>>378820429
>Make game where you CAN'T marry cute girls
Waifu fags LITERALLY on suicide watch, sorry niggas

how are the rise of the deliverance maps?

Is there romance in this game similar to awakening?

>>378820197
>he played the memehouse dub
(lol

>>378819531
Every singlevmap in this game is shit. Swamp damage is shit too.

>>378820680
translation?

>>378820367
>earning the scorn of a woman
This is how you get murdered.

>>378819280
>>378819592
That one wasn't really an Echoes thread, just Fire Emblem.

>>378820727
no

>>378820780
"I'm going to fucking strangle that bitch"

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>>378820367
>Turning down the most loyal girl

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>>378819280
>MC cucks best girl
>no option not to

Fuck this game

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>>378820429
i wonder if alm preferred to smash at special locations like at the foot of mila statues or just every single stop he made on the map

>>378820871
Why are homicidal girls the best?

>that moment when faye is swimming through lava while fighting necrodragons while hearing someone on the other side of the map

>>378820518
Absolutely disgusting.

>>378820907
>sunnibee.jpg

>>378819531
>It convoluted it with shurikens and bows which was completely unnecessary,
oh it's this faggot.
I wonder if he has a hemorrhoid from all the anal clenching he does.

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>>378821004
nice

>>378820464
Part of Fire Emblem's charm is in its simplicity compared to other SRPGs that also allows it to be less forgiving. SoV was simple, with enough complexity in Arts and class differentiation to make things interesting.

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>>378819531
>t. plebeian that only plays EO and dismisses every other game in the genre
Disgusting.

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>>378820942
More reasons than can be listed.

Where exactly does the Valkyrie class come from, its only named in FE6 so a mounted staff/magic class didn't exist until Clarine?

>>378820780

"where are the women?"

>>378820464
I haven't been following this discussions so I'm a bit confused but I think conquest has the best mechanics. There are many factors that work in concert to make positioning more nuanced than any other FE. There's a plethora of personal and class skills which provide bonuses to nearby units, there's a lot of choice regarding weapons, class setups, pairings, etc. there's the pair-up system which offers reliable benefits and advantages for each stance, there are buff commands an other skills which provide other bonuses that further increase the player's options, there are really cool staves like freeze and entrap, etc. And most of all, the maps in Conquest are able to bring out all the best features of the gameplay system. It's really a phenomenal experience if you disregard the writing.

>>378820698
coalburner

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Which one is worth the investment?

>>378821325
memelord

>>378821261
I'm pretty sure mounted healers were introduced in 4 due to its gigantic maps.

>>378821301
>It's really a phenomenal experience if you disregard the writing
are you a coprophile by any chance?

>>378821132
Arts were hardly complex when a lot of them were gimmicky at best, like all the rapier skills that I was dumb enough to think it would be a good investment. Arts eventually become the "I want this enemy dead" button when you get shit like Double Lion and Dragonhaze. Doesn't help that the maps and enemies don't encourage you to use your arts wisely.

>>378821339
none of them, pegasi fucking suck in this game for some reason

>>378821339
>Palla has both best HP and best ATK

There you go anon

>>378821339
Not Palla, what a shit she is.

>>378820780
"I'm going to make Kiran mine then"

>>378821414
>if you disregard the writing
No shit remains, the gameplay is amazing.

>>378821339
clair and palla because they're the cutest
>implying you need any other reasons

>>378820581

stfu pls

>>378821301
The maps were the only good part about Borequest.

>>378821449
>He didn't give Clair the Rhomphaia

>>378821132
>with enough complexity in Arts and class differentiation to make things interesting.
How far down the contrarian hole do you need to fall to think this?

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>>378821519
>Clair
>not hideous

>>378821410
It has Troubadours, and promoted mounted healers but no Valkyrie.

>>378821410
Troubadours / female paladins used swords and staves in FE4. And mage knights had swords and tomes.
Aside from master knights, horses+staves+tomes wasn't a thing until fe6.

>>378821004
this just took me to furry porn :( no for me

>>378821339
You've all the time in the world so any of them from that angle. If you're trying to trim the fat and beat the game in as little time as possible, however, I'd say that Palla, Catria and (arguably) Clair are worth training but you should probably bench Est as she comes low level with not great base stats at a point where your units are going to be pushing on reaching their tier 3 promotions.

>>378821513
>admitting to eating shit
the gameplay does not excuse the shit story

>>378821301
It's bad since it's unbalanced. There's no more durability and some skills are too broken, with some classes being too nessasary than others. Defense stance is objectively the best stance, still. Who cares about a free attack that does like 5 damage when you can get a free stat boost and keep your mobility higher? It was made too complex in a series where simplicity was key. Also the prisoner system was better in 5

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>>378820762
It's a remake and it stood true to the original map designs. Please go cry somewhere else.

>You can make mage Kliff the best archer in the game with the Mage Ring and Sagittarus spell
best villager, best battle lines, best boy

>>378821564
What do you think of the gameplay mechanics themselves?

>>378819750
Clair can do fine on her own and clairxgray is cuter than clairxalm. Poor tobin was never even in the running despite a lot of his dialogue being about clair also. Never count tobin out.

>>378821696
So Mist isn't a Valkyrie, but a female Paladin?

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What kinda name is Dyute supposed to be?

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>>378821708
your're welcome

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This girl is fucking crazy, with every support she has the insanity just keeps on building up, holy shit

>>378821758
>It's okay that it's bad because it's supposed to be bad

lol OK

>>378821828
DEFANG

>>378821735
>It was made too complex in a series where simplicity was key.
this is why Kaga left us

>>378821849
No fury like a woman scorned

>>378821723
Please work on your reading comprehension skills.

>>378821696
>>378821668
Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were simply talking about mounted healers for some reason. That being said, Master Knights should probably be accepted as the first version of that type of unit even if they also get swords.

>>378821785
I don't like all the unnecessary skills.
No neutral weapons is retarded.
80% of the cast being 100% outclassed is shit.

>>378821797
Game calls her Valkyrie, so there.

>>378821852
>gaiden maps are bad
I hate this meme

>>378821986
I believe that was his point, anon.

>>378821785
It's bad to be honest and if you reclass Xander to Lodestar you can basically solo the game

>>378821849
She also hits like a fucking truck if you make her a pony rider instead of a healer, we're talking hitting for nearly twice as much as your next best fighter, it's a shame she gets shat on so much in the game,

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>>378821339
How the fuck did you even get them to have those stats? I swear to god everytime someone posts a screen with their characters' stats I look at mine and I'm reassured the RNG buttfucked me during my whole playthrough.

>>378821992
>If I call it a meme it'll convince myself it's not true

>>378821828
Japanese for Doot.

>>378821986
>>378821920
For a theoretical remake of FE4, would Ethlyn promote into a Female Paladin or Valkyrie?

>>378821261
No they did; troubadours existed in fe4 and they promoted to paladins, getting swords.

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>>378821881

Do not bully the fang girls.

>>378822152
I wanna doot dyute in her poot chute

>>378820698
When do we get Black Garcia and mulatto Ross?

Then again I think Ewan being a cuck posting would get old.

>>378822108
This. I know cleric is her canon/best class but god damn she's great as a rider.

>that range
>that attack
>that cute short skirt rider uniform

>>378822095
And Ike can solo his own game without DLC, I guess PoR's mechanics are shit too then.

>>378821132
The complexity not only came from arts, but it came from craftily using terrain bonuses and carefully studying enemy movemenents and formatting your army more skillfully. Skills were RNG bullshit so I also prefer arts, and the auto skills you get with your class. You also had to plan more carefully which weapons you take with, and there are hold items to consider as well. I also enjoy the range options.
>>378821571
It's not contrarian what are you blabbing about

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>>378819280
Downloading this game tomorrow. Anything important I need to know before hand?

>>378821828
Music themed like luthier

>>378822329
Considering her supports with Alm have her state that she'll keep killing in his name I really don't think Cleric is her canon class. I made her a pegasus rider too.

>>378822108
Her second best class is mage though

First is cleric though since the utility is just too much

>>378822128
why didn't you use the turnwheel to reset the level and lvl them up in another battle since it resets the rng

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Don't fall in love early like I did

>>378819280
I would gladly impregnate that sheep.

>>378821735
Complexity vs simplicity is a matter of preference, even if it's atypical for the series it isn't inherently bad.

Fire Emblem is not a PvP multiplayer game; not everything needs to be perfectly equal in utility for the game to offer an ideal experience. And I'm not sure what in Conquest is 'imbalanced'.
Durability as in weapon durability? Even without it, there are many times where you will choose to use different weapons so that doesn't really reduce depth. And Gaiden doesn't have weapon durability either.
Some skills are too broken - not really. Powerful enemy skills can pose strong obstacles but you have enough tools to overcome them, and powerful player skills aren't inherently bad as long as they increase the strategy in the game, which they do. There's a lot of different skills that you will rely on therefore the 'too broken' skills don't overcentralize the game.
Many classes are useful in different situations. You might fight generals useless, for instance, but I found that class extremely useful in a lunatic ironman playthrough.
Defense stance might be better in more situations than attack stance but there are still many situations where the player can take advantage of attack stance for a better strategy, e.g. to KO an enemy without receiving a counter. It doesn't need to be a 50:50 split, as long as it's something to think about it's good. And even if attack stance didn't exist, the defense stance adds a layer of strategy so it wouldn't be a problem.
The prisoner system is completely different in 5. The prisoner system adds to FE14 the way it is, while FE5's prisoner system would not work in FE14.

>>378822612
meant for
>>378822476

>>378822615
Are you a fat rich old man (tm)?

So someone in the last thread mentioned an unnerf patch for Echoes. Does that actually exist and if so, where can I find it?

>>378822594
That's too much trouble, mate.

>>378822680
Genny with fat faceless old men and loving it doujins where?

>>378822756
>small cute girl and fat faceless old man with a XL sausage cock with pure love, handholding, and leg lock sex doujin when?

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>>378819531
>weight
Only because you need one more point to double and Gaiden has low growths

>Brought the superior, broken support system back
GBA support system is trash, fucking Awakening characters had better characterization than Echoes and doesn't waste your time turn skipping

>Has magic use hp to limit its usefulness
Expect Mages are god-tier since enemies have no res, you also has high HP caps so it doesn't matter

>In general, the physical/magic balance was restored, something noticeably not present in Fates
No, mages and Dread fighters are superior to everyone. Fates made use of magic weapons which were superior>Has villagers and villager forks so there's actually MORE replay value and ways to build your team, without a very rigid way to do things like in Cuckquest. I'm in awe you even said this, there's the Deen/Sonya choice, too
Echoes isn't fun to play, it's a total slog with its map design, shitty dungeons, and no difficulty modes outside of hard. Maps were nonlinear and there were multiple solutions to each one. Reclassing and a higher variety of units, and the Deen or boots selection.

>Really well done DLC with varied objectives that you can and should get for free
Kek. Echoes was such a cashgrab that put all the good maps as DLC. Also nice job forgetting the other DLC that make the game a joke.

>Dungeons that help with the worldbuilding and were fun and fluid, noticeably unique compared to every other single dungeon crawling you can find on the vita
Fucking Persona 4 has better dungeons than this game. Muh story is not a excuse for them being garbage.

>No lunge ninjas
Kek. Not even the hardest enemies in Conquest, sorry the enemies are actually competent for your babby ass.

>final maps that don't shit the bed and do a 180 in terms of quality, it actually improves, din't pretend like Fates didn't do this
Endgame is only shit on Lunatic, the rest of the maps are all constant in quality unlike Echoes where they never get good.

Post is too long

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>mfw playing story maps with wandering enemies on top of them

I wish there was a harder difficulty mode.

>>378822756
Prolly never, we'll get a few vanilla celica, faye ntr, gangbang mindbreak starring all the girls, a fuckton of homogay and maaybe one where doot dominates the fuck out of an older guy.

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>Clive gets a perfect level up.

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>>378819280
I don't even play this game but

Why is she so floofy oh my god

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>it's another cantor map

>>378821956
>I don't like all the unnecessary skills.
They're actually quite important on lunatic and in lower difficulties you don't have to worry too much about them. I hope this isn't a common complaint because I want IS to be able to add mechanics for the dedicated fans to enjoy. It would be ideal if casual players didn't get put off by their existence.

>No neutral weapons is retarded.
What are neutral weapons?

>80% of the cast being 100% outclassed is shit.
Actually there's quite a lot of viable characters in Conquest. Even someone like Nyx has a niche if she's promoted early and can be used for pair-up bonuses afterwards.
If you are talking about how Camilla outclasses Belka that's another thing and even less of an issue in my opinion. Important story characters are appropriately prominent in the gameplay as well, but even 'outclassed' characters can be very useful. Remember that you have a whole team in FE, it's not a one person show, so you often want more than one of a type of unit.

Do Terrors spawned from Cantors stay after retreating? I can't handle this many even with Expel.
I blame shitty desert.

>>378822095
Is that a DLC thing? I'll take your word for it but I don't think cheat codes take away from the enjoyment the base games offers.

>>378822459
>from craftily using terrain bonuses
what the fuck is crafty about sitting a unit down on terrain and baiting in the brain dead AI? every FE does this.
>carefully studying enemy movemenents
you don't need to carefully study the mob of brainless units rushing at you. they rarely ever use terrain.
>formatting your army more skillfully.
yeah takes a lot of skill to do that in a game that doesn't limit your deployment.
>Skills were RNG bullshit so I also prefer arts
arts are shallow and more often than not useless with rare exceptions like double lion and hunter's volley which are just straight up broken. there's not even much of a cost associated with them.
>You also had to plan more carefully which weapons you take with, and there are hold items to consider as well.
like every other FE? oh wait no this one limits your inventory to 2, so they can justify broken shit like killer bow, mage ring, brave sword and early game draco shield.

>>378822946
Hinoka is an awful late-game map so you're wrong about that.

>>378823143
>oh wait no this one limits your inventory to 2
*1

>>378823086
No, they all die with their summoner.

>>378822735
It's apparently being made over in the fe Reddit' discord

>>378823058
>those celica swamp maps with cantors
/v/ WILL defend them

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>Grieth's Fortress
>Spend an hour dwindling everyone down BECAUSE THAT FUCKER SPAWNS INFINITE GOD DAMN ZOMBIES FUUUUCK
>finally manage to take out the caster, now it's just me and Grieth
>Doing good damage, he KO's Boey but who gives a fuck
>use celica to get him down to about 1/3 heath
>aww yiss
>he suddenly takes off
>wut
>the faggot goes out of the other side of the fortress, all the way into the desert and goes to that little camp to the south to restore health
>have to spend the next half hour following the fucker back out to the desert BECAUSE HAHA YOU CAN ONLY MOVE 1-2 SPACES IN THE SAND
>manage to finally kill him but was way too fucking frustrated to celebrate after a good hour and a half on that map

FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUCKKKKKK
YOU

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What secret Fire Emblems have people been playing that made them think the plot's ever been good in this series?

Like, seeing how much hatred there is for Fates entirely because of plot is the most confusing thing since seeing people hate Bionic Commando 2009 for it's plot, as if that's the draw of either series. I just don't get it.

>>378823219
Not him, but I thought it was one of the most fun maps, but that's probably because I had two fliers and having 12 movement was amusing to me.

>>378822749
I only ever did it on mine when I had a single stat increase other than that I let it go.

>>378823359
Fates is horrid shit even by FE standards.

>>378823323
You got that far into the game and just forgot that enemy units run away to heal when their health gets low?
You could use the turnwheel to save boey too you know.

>>378823359
hector's quest for tight pussy

>>378823359
Sacred Stones was pretty good.

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>>378822946
>Echoes wastes your time turn skipping
Wow, someone shitting on a game without playing it. Never thought I'd see something like this on /v/

>>378823512
>permadeath
I'm just playing on the setting where if they get KO'd they just retreat at the end


no bully pls

>>378822680
>rich

N-no...

>>378819784
>Mycastle
>Pair up
>Xander trivializes any difficulty
Memequest is shit

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>>378819531
>>378822946
>Conquest did not improve the weapon triangle
Expect make bows good and actually has the WT last throughout the whole game via weapons level

>It convoluted it with shurikens and bows which was completely unnecessary
>convoluted
If the weapons triangle is too hard to comprehend stop playing video games

>even FURTHER nerfed magic
Magic is shit because of lower MT, mages have weak skill and speed, and low hit rates. Magic was broken as fuck in Awakening. It needed a nerf.

>At least Echoes had limited inventory so you can't just have every overpowered weapon on you and some Elixers too
No weapon is truly OP in Fates expect for Prf weapons. Having multiple weapons increases strategic opportunities. There's a fucking reason other FE games let you hold other weapons.

Echoes is dogshit. Mila's turnwheel is crutch of babbies, can revive your units, and you can never die anyway since enemies are weak as fuck. Learning skill from weapons is the only good mechanic and is superior to the old ones, but too bad half the skills you learn are shit.

>>378823367
I don't think the map's Dragon Vein gimmick serves to do anything but extend the map's length by forcing you to spend turns basically not moving much at all.

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>>378822946
You're the same guy who comes into these threads everyday. You use the same arguments every time.

Pls go. Let people enjoy the game.

>>378819585
What a cunt.

>>378823570
>Went from a crybaby as a child to an antisocial edgelord
How did Kliff do it?

>>378823640
Yes bully. Fuck outta here, /v/ sticks to hard+ and classic. I'm going through the same shit and it's bananas fun though.
>tfw leon wrecks cunts instead of getting bootyblasted

>>378822946
Okay sweatie you should play the game I'm gonna stop you right here
The GBA support system is more balanced
Enemies begin picking up res mid game, gargoyles in particular start gaining res quickly on act 3-4.
All classes in Echoes have their merits. Knights are literally meat walls and the lance arts allow them to have better hit rates, as well as hit other units' weaknesses. Falcon knights can cross swamp terrain and borders, and bane terrors. Paladins have insane defense and speed, Mathilda has pretty good res as well. Mages use magic and are obviously good by that virtue, but have to spend hp and are generally frailer so you have to budget your hp well for them. Dread fighters a re strong and are anti mage so your "hurr durr broken mages" comment is retarded. Also, mages having spell lists allow each of your clerics to be unique and useful in their own ways. Stop being retarded and lying to yourself.
Also Echoes's dungeons are only a slog if you're a conquest baby in need of arguments. They're fluid and have controls that don't allow you to blow past every enemy.
Mechanically, Conquest is just flat out unbalanced. Prove me wrong. The only good things is the maps. You are speaking subjectively about arts with no factual evidence.
And don't even try to say the new weapon triangle is actually good, it's shit. Swords and shurikens rule all. And there are so many ranged weapons that can take advantage of short ranged weapons.

>>378823697
>Learning skill from weapons is the only good mechanic and is superior to the old ones,
>have to grind for it
>superior
RD wins in skill system.

>>378823715
NO ECHOES IS SHIT
THE ONLY GOOD FE IS CONQUEST
I MUST FIGHT FOR MY GAME

>>378823747
People kept pushing him, so he started telling them HEY DON'T PUSH ME
Needless to say people started learning quick.

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>Saber loses his sword-plant animation on promotion
>almost everyone loses their unique clothing on promotion

>>378823747
He got a fujo boost.

So the hivemind currently thinks FE5 is good?
I bet 99% of you guys would hate it if you actually played it but at least it's funny to see casual praising it.

>>378823870
You forgot your crying wojak.

>>378822946
>Awakening characters had better characterization than Echoes
LOL

>>378823972
I don't have a Conquestfag one.

>>378823950
It's the bane of every FE game.

>>378824027
At least you admit you'd do it if you could.
What cancer.

>>378823058
>>378823309
Stop turtling you awakeningbabys

>>378820780
"Where's that woman?"

Presumably she means Celica since she's holding a Levin sword and she's got the yan stare.

>>378823961
People have been jacking off Thracia for years, are you new?

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>>378823727
Did you say something, anon...?

Only redditors dislike Echoes.

>>378823697
Bows weren't good, counter as a skill and Takumi were good. It accomplished literally nothing, but succeeded in making axes and magic almost completely obsolete. The weapon triangle was perfect before because there was no huge obvious power gap, and the weapons truly felt equal. I feel Fates is the only game to not have this.
I feel like I had to think more about the resources I brought into battle in Echoes, as well, despite Conquest being extremely limited funds.
And btw a lot of Conquest endgame maps were dogshit

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>Fayefags

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>>378824070
Says the autiste who can't stop shitting up literally every Fire Emblem thread with autistic screeching over how Echoes is the blunder of the century.
If anyone deserves a crying Wojak it's you. Please kill yourself.

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>>378823950
I really wish we could have a FE with a small cast. That way the supports are likely to be better written, the cast will have more time to shine, each character will have more polished animations and their promotions will be unique, and if you fuck up and lose one in battle it hurts you that much more.

>>378823961
Don't forget, gimmicks are bullshit.

But FE5 is the best.

>>378824239
>not being a Fayefag

>>378824124
A couple people, yes, but the hivemind claimed Thracia was full of artificial difficulty, bad/nonsensically designed maps, stupid gameplay mechanics, etc.
FE9 and FE7 were always ranked higher.

>>378824283
I don't think Echoes is even a bad game, just that it's not the middle finger to nuFE like you chucklefucks want it to be. I think you have me confused with someone else.

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Delthea is best girl

>>378824351
As far as I know, the hivemind heralded Thracia as, pretty much, the only good FE game, so I don't know what you're on about. FE9 is also put on a pedestal too like you said, so you're mostly right.

>>378823715
>>378824283
I feel sorry for the guy, he's just correcting misinformation and he gets treated like shit for it.

>>378822946
Thanks anon

>>378823961
I only get my opinions on FE from DD15, so 12 is the best.

FE's fanbase feels like SMT/Persona all over again, except without the games actually changing.

>>378823961
I think FE5 is really fun but not the best personally. It is the game that would benefit the most from a remake and the removal of bullshit like random warp tiles and movement stars

>>378824571
Could you explain what makes 12 the best in your (or his) opinion?

>>378819585
>archer in Heroes
>yet can't be one in SoV
Do the devs not play their own games?

>>378824616
Pretty much, but with less victim complex that all Fatlus seem to have.

>>378824435
I want to lick her anus.

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>can't seem to look up Fayes skirt

>>378819784

Will there ever be detente between Oldfags and Awakeningbabbies?

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>>378824725
I dunno, the outcry about localization or censorship is somehow much stronger with FE than either of SMT/Persona, which definitely feels like a victim complex.

>>378824564
If anything he's lying about how "balanced" Conquest is. Some skills are over powered and are easily available with seals. The weapon triangle is the most unbalanced it has ever been. a lot of characters are outclassed and useless. There are way too many classes, and some Nohr weapons are just plain useless compared to Hoshido counterparts.

>>378824435

I'm not big into loli, but she's so cute.

>>378820197
>>rawr is dragon for I love you

> He doesn't think Kana is the best child from FE13 and 14

shit taste fag

>>378824684
This isn't the first time they've done this sort of shit.
>Raven's an axe fighter
>Narcian's an axe wyvern rider
>Lachesis and Lucius are fucking clerics

You simply cannot compare the maps and gameplay mechanics of Conquest and SoV. SoV has shit maps with brainless mobs of enemies bumrushing you. It has a lot of unique and great modifications like how Archers are handled but most of the rest is just bad or superfluous.

People also like to complain about grinding for skills in Fates but SoV actively spawns enemies and blocks your path, forcing you to engage in non-story mode combat. You don't NEED to grind for skills in Fates either. Skills just make combat less difficult.

Terrain bonuses are also broken in SoV, and there are very few worthy classes to be in. Everyone wants Dread Fighters, Pegasi, Bow Knights, and Clerics, sometimes Mages. There are more class variation in Fates and every one of them serves a niche, either in terms of combat prowess, utility, or support. The only real "broken" things in Fates are Shurikens and the aniki's personal weapons, and even they have their banes.

SoV has better presentation (besides the cool-looking but functionally lacking unit/battle forecast UI) but gameplay-wise it's strictly inferior to Fates and specifically Conquest.

>>378824197
Also Axes and Lances are king in Fates. Bows are mainly good in Conquest because of it's PP-centric gameplay.

>>378819585
Thirsty ass bitch.

>>378824897
How is too many classes a bad thing?

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Reminder Faye is best girl and winner of the Almbowl whether Cecilia agrees or not

>>378824875
I think in FE, it's more fear mongering and paranoia while in Fatlus, it's how every game is dead or will become Persona.

...You know what, you're right.

>>378824953
I can't wait for Leif, the first healer lord.

>>378824976
reminder that she has warts and she retired because charlie sheen gave her aids

>>378824197
Magic is still good, just harder to abuse. You only feel that it's shit because your base magic users are questionable.

>>378820367
What a faggot.

I hated the forced voice acting though, I'd rather read text honestly but that's just me. The good voices were all the pegasus sisters and based Zeke, they were satisfying to all listen to, and the credits as well.

>>378824661
I was just joking about but I'm pretty sure he argues the map design is particularly good.

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>>378824976
>tfw messed up on my first playthrough and now Faye is on Celica's side due to late recruitment
She shouldn't be near Alm's waifu.

>>378824897
You can complain about a lot of fates features, but no shit, of course a lot of the nohr weapons are worse than the hoshido ones, it gives the enemies in conquest a boost and makes theside objectives in each chapter all the more enticing, because you get weapons like the dual club which you would never be able to get otherwise

>>378825239
I thought Gray's VA had stellar delivery.

>>378825239
>Not listening to every word Berkut, Fernand and Lukas said
They should weaponize your faggotry for WWIII

Berkut did nothing wrong.

>>378824897
I get the impression that you're speaking of conquest from an excel sheet perspective rather than considering the game itself. Some skills are strong, sure, but how exactly are they overpowered? And even then, heart seals are quite rare until later in the game and are always a significant investment. Unless there's one options that invalidates all alternatives it's probably not overpowered.
Not sure what to say about the weapon triangle, I found it important to have weapons on each part of it.
There are actually very few useless characters in conquest, even outclassed characters can be useful. There aren't too many classes at all. Some nohr weapons are worse than hoshido counterparts but so what? What's the problem with that? How does that make the game bad, or the balance bad? You're limited in the items available to you just like every other FE game and you have a ton of options. I really don't see how this represents a balance issue.

If there's some other fault that's more apparent in Conquest, please clarify.

>>378824197
Takumi is fucking dogshit since the route he's in is very EP centric. The bow users in conquest are good because it's a very PP focused game and ninjas run amok and having a unit be able to deal with them with a WTA is amazing

>>378825239
>not liking Genny's I'M READY TO ROLL

>>378825415
>weaponized his waifu

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Reminder in a poll several threads ago, oldfags (>6 FE games played) almost unanimously enjoyed Conquest.

Everyone who hates Conquest is objectively a casual newshitter

>>378825415
>setting his waifu on fire and letting her get stretched out by the dragon dick just so he can job to Alm one last time

>>378825275
I like FE12's map design too but at the same time I feel like a lot of things are downgraded from FE3 (except the difficulty, that's a massive improvement).
If you happen to find a writeup about any game's map design please provide a link, I love reading about that kind of stuff.

>>378825290
Just let it happen anon, that peace loving bimbo will be removed soon

>>378825742
why is FE3 really hard or really easy?

>>378825567
>botpoll
lol

>>378825489
And? Heart seals still allow you to go into any class and take the overpowered skills (rend heaven, Astra, bane skills). There are certainly OP characters in Conquest, Xander and Camilla standing out with your Corrin depending on what your build is. Nyx and Odin are unusable. They are also magic users. Peri is bad, Selena is bad, Laslow is bad(le slow), Beruka is outclassed and Nikes would be garbage if he wasn't able to capture late game skill machine enemies. The game also allows you to get free weapons from my castle that are overpowered and don't require DLC. Pair up is still broken by the way I don't know why we're ignoring that, and combat is boring since everything is 1-2 range combat.

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>>378825567
Stop misrepresenting your poll, shitter. Most people liked both because both are good games.

>>378825819
FE3 is super easy. Stats cap out at 20 and you get a ton of star shards that give huge growth boosts. Not to mention the ridiculous stat boosters and big promotion gains. Often enemies will barely scratch your characters. Even in a 0% growths run you don't have to think too hard because Tiki is virtually invincible.

FE12 on the other hand made enemies REALLY strong. Most of your units in chapter 1 get OHKOd by random bandits. You really need to think hard to win. Actually, I haven't played it in a while so I can't be sure, but I recall it being impossible to make 100% reliable tactics in many occasions. I like playing FE games ironman-mode but FE12 Lunatic was too much for me.

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Sure, I'm still hyper! LET'S GO

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Is it really THAT bad?

>>378826394
Fates in general sucks.

>>378823058
I agree, cantors are absolute cancer

>>378824943
I didn't like kana that much. Was she good?

>>378819280
So who do you think Genny ends up marrying? Mycen?

>>378826394
People only hate it because nu-/v/ hates any Japanese aesthetic.

>>378826482
>marrying
She pleases old men for gold.

>>378826345
Let's go to the dump.
Mae is the kind of girl everyone gets to know. And then everyone learns to keep their distance.

>>378825489
There are a ton of useless characters in Conquest, and skills have zero draw back and you're allowed six of them including your personal. Pair up has no draw back either, and the supports are garbage.
The weapon triangle is so bad; Axes are shit due to low accuracy on top of being rocked by the weapon triangle and not being able to do shit against ninjas. Magic is just useless.

>>378826474

Shes a cheeky daughteru

>>378826573
I bet she smells like a dump

>>378826502
Or maybe because it was awakening 2.0 despite having the best story in fates? Not a lot of people complained about the Japanese culture.

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>>378826394
Not really, it's Gaiden 3.0 aka Awakening 2.0 with less-broken pair up but instead with some ludicrous units like Lobsterman and Japanese Jesus. And Azama.

>>378826502
Well yes. Remember their war crimes and shit? Their massive hatred/racism towards foreigners/whites?
Keep FE European. Don't bring glorious nippon garbage unless we get more cute waifus.

>>378826502
no
it's easy as fuck, boring maps, dumb characters
i actually like the aesthetic and prefer that choice, but the game is so much worse

>>378822946
>GBA support system is trash

Are all these threads just devolved into wordy shitposts?

>>378819531
>Brought weight back
What effect does weight have?

>>378826664
>Not a lot of people complained about the Japanese culture

U wot m8? Hoshido hate has been rampant since the games were announced, before the games even came out.

Amusingly enough, the fucking Japanese fanbase didn't go full "muh nationalism" like we did. That's how bad it is, the Japanese FE fanbase were somehow less nationalistic than the Western FE fanbase.

>>378826664

> BR
> best story

Oh wait. CQ and Rev's story is a god awful mess.

>>378826645
>Axes are shit due to low accuracy
haha holy shit never touch FE6 if you think that's really a problem

I'M READY TO ROLL
TIME TO TIP THE SCALES
PICK A GOD AND PRAY
LEAVE IT TO ME

>>378826732
You say it as if the racism against Nohr wasn't justified.

This game is fun but the maps are garbage. I'm guessing that stays the same? Just started act 3 and act 2 was mostly the same boat map copy and pasted.

>>378826160
>Heart seals still allow you to go into any class and take the overpowered skills (rend heaven, Astra
Why is this a problem? You have limited resources and this is one possible way you can choose to spend them (in my opinion that would be a poor tactical decision anyway).
>There are certainly OP characters in Conquest, Xander and Camilla standing out with your Corrin depending on what your build is
Why is this a problem? Conquest's battle system is more involved than ever, so a frontliner can be supported by a large number of characters; even with so-called OP characters, they won't be trivializing the strategy.
>Nyx and Odin are unusable. They are also magic users.
Actually no. They're not the strongest units but they have their niches for optimal play and they're perfectly usable if you aren't doing some super specific LTC playthrough or something (actually they might even be useful there).
>Peri is bad, Selena is bad, Laslow is bad(le slow), Beruka is outclassed and Nikes would be garbage if he wasn't able to capture late game skill machine enemies.
I haven't looked into peri or laslow but severa is a decent unit, she has perfectly usable base stats and a unique class set. There are a couple very different ways to use her.
Niles is a great unit, his speed and res are solid and the shining bow is obtained later on. Even without capturing he'd be fine, and capturing is quite important in of itself.
>The game also allows you to get free weapons from my castle that are overpowered and don't require DLC.
It also allows you not to. And even if you do abuse that stuff that barely removes any tactical depth.
>Pair up is still broken by the way I don't know why we're ignoring that,
"broken" how? It's something that adds a lot of strategy and both stances are useful.
>combat is boring since everything is 1-2 range combat.
Except combat is fun, it's more complex than any other game in the series, and it's not all 1-2 range combat at all.

>>378826160
>Nyx and Odin are unusable
Odin can reclass to a samurai or friendship seal with Niles to get to to the Adventurer class and make use of the Shining Bow. Nyx can reclass to Adventurer also. I mean you need to put some work into them but they aren't unusual.

>>378825567
I've been playing FE since the early 90's and have played them all except for Gaiden.

I enjoyed Conquest, but its not even in my top 5

How many A supports can a unit have? Are we back to the old school style of only having one?

>>378826973
Actually, because plot, it was not.
Nohr was too busy dealing with civil wars and revolts and food shortages to figure out how to create an undead workforce/army. Or to waste that force by sending it to another country.
Nohr didn't do anything, wrong or right. They were busy starving.

>>378826873
He's right, Tellius did it best. Nobody should find mashing end turn fun.

>>378823803
>friend group all playing, talking about it with each other on Discord
>one friend having some trouble, the other going on about how easy it was/how he did things where it wasn't bad
>go hang out with him later that week, street pass him
>he was playing on normal
I got rused hard, that motherfucker said he was on hard.

>>378826976
Celica gets worse while Alm gets better. There's this one map with Alm though, right before Rudolf, that's fucking shit.

>>378826989
Fuck off shill, you've tried this before.

>>378826995
Odin can promote to dark knight and take advantage of both str and mag, Nyx can also promote to dark knight early and be able to ORKO a lot of things early, then reclass and provide ideal support bonuses for other magic users.

If you're not doing an extreme LTC run or anything I'd highly recommend using Odin long enough to unlock Ophelia's paralogue, not because she's useful but rather because the paralogue is full of great loot.

>>378827115
You don't need too

>>378826873
It seemed fine in Echoes because you weren't limited in support number and it was pretty easy to build, but the GBA support system was ridiculous. Once I knew how it worked it often ended up devolving into sitting beside an empty throne for 20 turns ending my turn. It's also completely absurd for the characters to be having those conversations in the middle of a battlefield.

>>378826160
>Nyx and Odin are unusable

Conquest Nyx and Odin aren't irredeemable, at least, just sort of poor. I mean, they aren't the best, but Conquest has a ton of shitters anyway. Odin can be a Slamurai and Nyx makes a good backpack for Leo if you use him.

Now REVELATIONS ODIN AND NYX on the other hand.......

>>378827131
>Discord
You can go back.

>>378827078

It's unlimited.

There's not even that many supports per character.

>>378826160
Every single complain is a non-issue.
>You can have 6 skills
So fucking what? Most people won't even fill all slots if they don't care about reclassing, which already requires grinding and investment in a game where EXP and money are limited.

>The game also allows you to get free weapons from my castle that are overpowered
Like what? The character-named weapons? That's what overpowered to you? You're just saying words at this point.

>>378827078
No support limits in Echoes. This is balanced because units don't have very many support partners.

>>378827229
Except you do for plenty. There's a handful that don't take ages like Roy/Lilina and Eliwood/Hector but most would require you to put off capping the throne.

>>378827107
Didn't Nohr attempt multiple invasions with a human army, and when Mikoto brainwashed them, they instead sent waves of Faceless to Hoshido for like 10 years?

>>378824943
>best child when Velouria exists
Hrm.

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>>378827234
>It's also completely absurd for the characters to be having those conversations in the middle of a battlefield
pic related

>>378824943
>Best child
>When Shiro and Velouria exist

>>378827337
if you want to waste 100 turns on a chapter to get that bonus early, that's entirely on you I guess.

>>378826989
Not even him but
>Conquest's battle system is more involved than ever, so a frontliner can be supported by a large number of characters; even with so-called OP characters, they won't be trivializing the strategy.
Yeah you're talking out of your ass. Xander can solo Conquest with his stat backpack

>Actually no.
Actually yes, Odin is particular is straight up garbage. He's shit as a samurai as well.

>And even if you do abuse that stuff that barely removes any tactical depth
It does. You have no idea how easy Conquest becomes with a guard naginata, an early flame shuriken, early horse spirit, a bunch of stat boosters, etc.

>roken" how? It's something that adds a lot of strategy and both stances are useful.
When guard stance is way more preferable to attack stance like 90% of the time, it's unbalanced.

>it's more complex than any other game in the series
Xander killing everything isn't complex.

>>378827350
it was all the invisible kingdom
just buy the dlc goy
best path full experience
just do it

>>378827324
>>378827318
Do I have to progress a bit further to do so? Alm and Faye have been at B for a while and the rings to show the support bumps haven't been going off.

>>378827142
Whatever, I'm tired of this. Just stop saying things that are wrong so I don't have to correct you.

Just started playing Celica's part of act 3 after doing all of Alm's missions first, playing on hard.

Is it normal for Saber to be the only unit that can pull his own weight? Valbar can take a hit but doesn't do a ton of damage and Mae hits hard but is made of wet paper and has like 20 health. The rest of them aren't doing much of anything and there are small armies pouring out of Greith's every few turns

>>378827445
>It's another "Xander solos the game" episode

Is Echoes worth the money they're asking for? The last 2 FE games were pretty mediocre.

No shills please.

>>378827505
he isn't the one that's wrong, you are

>>378827502
It's also gated by story progress, I think. I remember hitting specific chapters and suddenly having several conversations from out of nowhere.

>>378826873
Some supports take forever to level up, like Jaffar and Matthew. You get one point per level, that's 80 turns per chapter

>>378827578
If you thought Conquest was """"mediocre"""" you don't deserve to play this series

you can fuck off

>>378827434
If you turtle hard enough that you can get supports without going out of your way then alright.

>>378826160
It seems like Conquest critics can never provide actual legitimate complaints, at least not anything that somehow elevates Echoes above it.

>>378827578
Yes. It's a fun video game.

>>378827563
That doesn't sound normal to me. Celica's team was way stronger and more fun to play as in my run. Leon in particular was a demon. I was also on hard.

Units in this game seem to be more susceptible to RNG screwing due to the lower growth rates across the board.

>>378827563
I didn't give Valbar much use because of his low mov, but unlike the mages, he doesn't have range. Also, no, Saber is good, but almost everyone on Celica's team is bonkers. All three mercenaries are good, Leon is crazy with a Killer Bow, Sonya is Boey and Mae glued together but with extra attack because fuck you, Deen is yet another Dread Fighter, the best class in the game.

>>378827578
As a diehard fan of the series that has enjoyed every game on some level other than fucking revelations what a fucking garbage game I thought it was one of the stronger entries in the series

>>378827563
Knights are pretty much meatshields that deal chip damage, but their swag armor and animations make up for it.

My MVPs in Celica Hard were DF Saber, DF Kamui and DF Atlas. Should have gotten Deen too but my dick took over when I saw Sonya's design.

>>378827587
Alright thanks for the heads up

>>378826394
It's awakening 2. Which means it's a gaiden 3 as someone else said

In terms of quality I'd say it's Gaiden>>>>>Birthright>Awakening

>>378827668
wew lad

>>378827565
Well it's not technically solo because he's paired up with beserker Chrarlotte, but you get my point

>>378827563
Saber is the fucking boss. Kamui, the gay archer and the knight are also pretty good, especially on the sand maps.

>>378827445
>When guard stance is way more preferable to attack stance like 90% of the time, it's unbalanced.
Attack stance is actually superior to guard stance during early to midgame due to the added bonus of hit rate and having a easier time for weaker units to get off kills.

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This is the best character to ever grace this series in years. IS might as well not even try anymore, they already reached perfection.

>>378827578
Honestly? I love the game but you aren't really missing out on anything if you don't buy it. The story is better than Fates yet a bit cliche. The characters are more than gimmicks too but have few supports. The maps are pretty bad and can get very annoying. I'd say Conquest is better if we're looking at gameplay but I do like the skirmishes that give you more to do outside of battle in echoes.

>>378827830
I hated awakening too, but
>birthright above awakening
really?

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Please post more Faye everybody!

Please don't discuss Celica.

>>378827896
Fuck off Fernand

>>378827896
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE: the character
you're kidding, right?

>>378827992
t. peasant scum

>>378824284
It's nice in theory, but it can't be done. The only way you can balance a game with perma death is to have a fuckhuge cast.

If you have a Fire Emblem with a small cast, you may as well trigger a game over the second anyone dies, because nobody would actually keep playing after losing a unit.

And you can't just get rid of perma death, because it wouldn't even be Fire Emblem anymore, would it?

>>378827951
She's pretty hot.
Alm is a fag for marrying a tard. At least tard Celica is kinda hot too though.

>>378827992
>ALL THAT EVER WAS DEMANDED OF ME WAS STRENGTH, HOW CAN I LOSE TO SOME COMMONER TWICE
yes

>>378827896
He was a total asshole who didn't even do much but I somehow felt terrible for him. He was probably carried by his stellar voice acting.

>>378827951
I want to be Celica's throne

It's really nice playing without cringing in pain every time I hear a character talk or having to worry about pairing units up.

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>>378827951
>Faye ever killing Alm

>>378828083
I thought Akechi had wonderful voice acting too, but I'm not gonna pretend he was a good character for it.

>>378827896

Hope he gets featured in FE Heroes.

Same VA though, no exceptions.

>>378827896
He and Fernand make very good antagonists.

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>>378827668
But conquest was shit
There's this huge debate going on in the thread but..
>unit balance
The unit balance was so bad that alone wouldve killed the game but hey we have all this other trash to sift through
>Pairing up is broken still
>Certain classes are just better forever
>It's beneficial to just stack like 3 units and give them a stat-stick waifu/husbando and steamroll the game

The only thing that people cling to is "M-MUH MAPS" and while some are really good, The survival one with Takumi comes to mind, but about half are straight trash.

This and the unit balance made the game actually worse than birthright in my eyes.
Half the maps are just "Oh this side has fucking crazy physical damage and this side has crazy magic damage pick which one you have more of and stack into it"
They want you to divide your forces so often but that's retarded, just waifu it up and steamroll.

The only reason conquest-fags like it is because "m-muh OG hardcore difficulty muthafucka"

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I really like that Zeke guy, he seems like a great fellow. We should all post about how much we like Zeke.

>>378827445
Why is xander soloing the game (which is impossible considering you don't even get him until 16 chapters in, and that's almost halfway through conquest) a bad thing? There are hilariously overpowered units in every game
>FE4: le bbq man for gen 1, Shannan+Ares for gen 2
>FE5: Dagda, but basically anyone can solo because of scrolls
>FE6: rutger+dieck early, miledy+perceval late
>FE7: Marcus
>FE8: Seth
>FE9: literally anybody
etc

>>378828165
I think pair up was an ok system in fates, but it has overstayed its welcome, I dont really want to see it again

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Faye/Silque is canon

>>378828203
I thought every Yandere has the mentality of "if I can't have you, nobody can"?

>>378827943
Yeah. Birthright, at least in terms of gameplay, just felt like a more refined awakening. Slightly less barren maps and a bit more unique weapons to toy around with.
Also Ryoma isnt as strong as Robin, Chrom, Donnel, Lucina, and Morrigan with their waifus/husbandos

eh. Close but I think it edges out.

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>>378828260
>FE7
>Marcus

>>378828304
Please do not slander my wife like that.

She only likes men, thank you very much

>>378828258
Zeke's a fag, just a lame Camus clone

>>378824943
>best child
>when literally every other child exists

>>378828258
Nice try Nyna___

>>378828252
>It's beneficial to just stack like 3 units and give them a stat-stick waifu/husbando and steamroll the game
And what, die to world's end or the myriad of staves the game throws at you lategame?
Have you people even played conquest?

>>378828340
Faye isnt even yandere, it's a meme. If Celica meets Faye in Ram Village, Faye is super happy to see her.

Faye even tells Celica to sock Alm in the face for going on an adventure without her.

>>378828415
Are you joking the dude has strong enough bases and weapon ranks to be deployed all the way until endgame and then some

>>378828469
Yup It was piss easy. The only thing that even made me pause for a second was the endgame with Hanz being stupid. Even then it was still a breeze.

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>>378828258
You can't fool me, Astram, I know its you under that mask.

>>378828252
Fake ass news. You can't just slap a unit as a backpack on another character and just steamroll the game. Especially not in the lategame.
How was unit balance bad? Because some characters are better than others?
What maps in conquest were trash anyway? I know the endless faceless one was bad but HALF the maps?

>>378828415
You must be getting him mixed up with FE6 Marcus, because FE7 can carry the entire game.

>>378827896
Fernand was better

>>378828415
Enemy units in 7 have really low stats. Marcus starts off with insanely good base stats for a jeigan.

>>378828660
Really? Well, why don't you show me the theme song for his final battle? Oh that's right, he doesn't have one, he's just a jobber that died like a bitch, to the superior character no less.

>>378826971
Who's LEAVE IT TO ME again? Lissa?