You all lied to me damn it. Its better than Fates and Awakening

>>378760590
I don't think I've seen anyone call it bad, I've only seen people call the DLC shit.

>>378760590
That's not really a hard bar to pass

t.Tellius baby

>>378760725
>caring about overpriced dlc

Maybe if it gets a discount.

>>378760590

I dunno I've been enjoying it far more than fates. Better characters too. Started with Sacred Stones BTW

/v/ is the only place that has been this negative about Echoes. Probably because it's /v/ and no one discusses things without conflict or shitting on them.

It's a great game, just different from the Fire Emblem norm.

not better than conquest

muh maps

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>>378760960
This.
I dont get why /v/ is willing to eat the waifushit up like it was candy, all in the disguise of "its all about the gameplay bruuuh".
Shut the fuck up, degenerate waifufags.

>>378760590
of course an awakening baby would feel at home in wide open maps and gameplay even more watered down and casual then the mobage

>>378760909
>overpriced
Hacc ur 3ds my man

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>worse maps than Awakening.
>no weapon triangle.

>>378761169
/v/'s negative about everything, I'm pretty sure there was less negativity about echoes than the current negativity about awakening.

No it isn't, and I got into FE with Awakening as well.
It's a massive downstep from that and Fates.

>>378761169
>>378760960

I hate those cunts too, but remember alot people had Awakening and fates as their first games in the series. So of course they would get pissed that a mechanic they liked would be absent in a new game for them.

Fuck them though.

>>378761398
>worse maps than Awakening
>no one million enemies
>no same turn reinforcements
>contrary to grinding being present, it actually doesn't rely on stat inflation to win and you can beat every map without having to grind
You don't know what you're talking about. Go home and let the big boys talk.

>>378760725
I've heard it was the maps that were the problems, otherwise it was superior in every way.

>>378760909
Locked 10 classes and a prologue behind dlc that
I get that it was already developed and released in japan but having the dlc season pass at launch more expensive than the game is bullshit

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>>378760590
Nah, its okay but Conquest is much better. Echoes is a 7.5/10, I doubt I would ever go back and play this like the other FE's.

>>378760590
S H I T M A P S
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> Nobody likes you until you get a remake.

The worse game in the franchise is now consider good because it's prettier, I guess.

Why the fuck do you people care about maps so much?

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Am I the only one who likes Celica's route more in terms of character interactions? The game has shit maps anyways so I don't consider one route better than the other in terms of gameplay, though I do have a flier and mage bias.

Also STOP CRITTING SO MUCH, GENNY. And get more Spd procs goddamit.

>muh maps

fuck off the maps are fine

>>378764520
>And get more Spd procs goddamit

Jesus, my Jenny is the exact opposite. She gets speed so often she could've probably soloed half of Geyse's Citadel.

Sorry for stealing her speed levels from you, dude.

>>378764804
Mine is a level 3 Saint with 9 Spd. She does get a bit of Def level ups though. Crits like a madwoman.

Geith's Citadel is fucking terrible. Catria and Palla are the MVPs of that map. Also for the mercs: Saber > Jesse > Kamui in my playthrough. Also picked Sonya and made Atlas a Mage. Sagittae on him is fucking bonkers.

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>>378764517
Because its a strategy game. Most important element is the map design

>>378760725
Plenty of people have called this game bad, me included. Linear, repetitive dungeons with shitty controls for running, simple and uninspired map design that even my 6 year old sister could create, mediocre plot that contradicts itself, laughable difficulty, and much more.

>>378760590
>t. Awakening baby

The fact that you needed to point out that you're apparently an "Awakeningbaby" makes it obvious you're false flagging. But then again considering Awakeningfags put up with Awakening's shitty level design Awakeningfags actually liking a remake of Gaiden shouldn't come as any surprise to me.

>>378761585
Why do people think everybody who started with Awakening or Fates cares about MU? Because I don't.

>>378761586
The maps are somehow more uninspired than Awakening's maps and tedious on top of that boot.

>>378761586
>>no one million enemies
>>no same turn reinforcements
>What are cantors
lol

>>378765201
But Gaiden is a RPG before it's a TRPG.

>>378765830
Whatever they summon doesn't act in the same turn it appears. That's what same turn reinforcement mean.

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>>378765201
A lot of strategy games have flat map design m8. Fire Emblem is one of the only series that doesn't.

>>378765816
All the fortress maps have more strategy involved than any of the ones in Awakening. And at least Echoes HAS chokepoints.

I'm not trying to say Echoes maps are amazing, just that they're definitely not as bad as Awakening's.

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>>378764254
That's how shallow the Fire Emblem fan base is. When a character like Tharja is above the likes of a character like Elincia on the Choose your Legends poll, who actually has character development, then you know the fan base has shit taste.

>>378765938
It only has slight RPG elements like dungeons, its still a TRPG. The map design is still shit with no thought put into them.

>>378766059
That's why FE will always be better.

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>>378765938
Then you understand the problem.

>>378764682

Faggots like you won't get it until every map in every Fire Emblem game from hereon looks like this.

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>>378760960
Because the gameplay is shit. Fuck the Echoes circlejerk.

>>378766508
It would help if they made more than 100 copies of PoR outside of Japan, and that used copies didn't cost $200.

>>378766174
They are on par or debatably worse. They have their own unique flaws.

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2012 ~ 2016
Nobody cares about FE2

2017
It is a good game
Wtf?

I like it, but it's not better than Fates. Shit, I'm not sure it is even better than Awakening given how piss easy Celica's route has been. Alm's is the only one that feels like a struggle and it's because everyone on his team save for Lukas has extreamly shitty defense stats.

>>378766174
The very first fortress map in Awakening has 2 chokepoints. The very first fortress map in Gaiden is tedious bullshit with one chokepoint, a hallway meant to get an archer to pelt you.

Damn Bercoot's theme is intoxicatingly noble. If that's even a word.

And when Nuibaba first appears, hot damn is she hot for a hag. Her theme sounds ominous too but something I enjoy of instead of Jedah's.

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>>378766508
>>Elincia

>>378766906
>Game gets remade on system that reignited series and introduced new fans
>WOW WHY IS EVERYONE SUDDENLY TAKING ABOUT THIS GAME

why is /v/ full of retard

>>378766906
>Celica is a magic user yet she has one move on this map because of the desert terrain

WTF

>>378765593
The contradiction in plot is something I like but that running control, who the fuck thinks inertia works consciously with human bodies.

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What is it with Fire Emblem games and drawing cute girls to only make them cucks?

>>378766508
>>378767207
Be it Elincia, Soren, can't wait to play their games.

And no, I won't accept the DS remakes. I hope they will redo the remakes for FE1.

The high enemy density on Awakening and Birthright at least played fast because the killing power of your units matched up well to the enemy's defensive stats. Gaiden/SoV enemies are annoyingly bulky by comparison (while at the same time not being offensively dangerous) which makes killing packs of enemies much more of a slog, even though there are less enemies.
This especially becomes a problem on maps with small chokepoints like the constantly-repeated river map or some of the boat maps. Pushing through the choke becomes excruciating because you can only kill 1 enemy at a time since your front unit doesn't ORKO things on enemy phase. So instead you're just mashing through turn after turn killing 1 unit at a time in front of a bridge. Not fun, not interesting, and way slower than any Birthright or Awakening rout.

>>378766846
>Maps = All of the Gameplay
Echoes has a bunch of other shit to make up for the maps.

Riddle this me faggots. If maps are the end all be all of what makes a good FE, then why is Shadow Dragon so hated. That game has good maps but it's absolutely despised.

Maybe because GASP, there's more to the games than just map design.

>>378766906
HOLY SHIT. THIS MAP.

THE TERRAIN PENALTY IS HIDEOUS.

>>378767464
>Echoes has a bunch of other shit to make up for the maps
And all the other mechanics are dogshit like the dungeons

>>378767464
>Riddle this me faggots. If maps are the end all be all of what makes a good FE, then why is Shadow Dragon so hated. That game has good maps but it's absolutely despised.

Did it ever occur to you that Shadow Dragon might not be hated for its gameplay?

>>378766846
But it doesn't have an MU so that means that all the glaring flaws can be excused

Why do I like Echoes more than fates? Simple.

Alm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Corrin

>>378767597
That's the point I was trying to make you dumb shit.

>>378767364
She's just the obligatory "girl whose personality revolves around how obsessively she loves the MC". They had to have one so they made her.

>>378760909
The characters are barely there. How can they be better?

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>>378767464
I don't hate Shadow Dragon.

>>378766906
Those are all our favourite characters, and I can see Palla and Catria down there in the corner. Man, FE has come a long way.

>>378767747
Forgot to add something. Maps are not the end all be all but the other things that Echoes does aren't that spectacular either. Making the game unimpressive. Echoes feels like a port with some obvious QoL features added in.

>>378760590
This is a cute shilling attempt, anon.

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>>378767992
>Echoes feels like a port with some obvious QoL features added in.
Is that not what a remake is supposed to do?

I think FE could take a few examples from Konami's Suikoden. I think a lot of Suikoden's elements could live on in FE.

Keep the grid-based strat game but elaborate on the world building by making the characters alive as in we can interact with them, aside from just the portrait of them.

>>378767464
>Echoes has a bunch of other shit to make up for the maps
>removed weapon triangle
>removed multiple weapons per character except for magic users
>Attack and magic are 1 stat
>having 1 more speed lets you double now

The only thing echoes has over other FE's is 3-5 range bows

>>378768050
>talk about newly released game on /v/
>lol shill

when did this become a thing?

>>378767992
>it feels like Gaiden brought up to modern QoL standards
Hmmm, almost like it's a remake or something....

>>378767708
Basically. Fuck Avatars, seriously. Doesn't sit well with me since their gestation in Awakening.

>>378768106
This. And making cities, villages more lively with varying designs to them. Have them have thematics.

>>378764520
I prefer Celica's route. About to start Act IV so I still have a bit to go.

>>378761323
I don't want to get banned from online.

>>378768149
>>378768079
>remakes should have the same flaws as the original

Only this board would want a remake to be as shitty as the original

>>378768109
>removed weapon triangle
It wouldn't work in Echoes
>removed multiple weapons per character
That's just how the game works. It's not a normal Fire Emblem game, it's a JRPG hybrid. They didn't "remove" anything, they just made weapons work like a standard JRPG
>Attack and Magic are 1 stat
You mean just like the first 3 Fire Emblem games? Or the GBA games? Fucking retard.
>having 1 more speed lets you double now
Because that's how it was for the old FEs. Making it 5 speed like Awakening and Fates would make it hard for a lot of units to double with the way stats work in this game.

tl;dr you're complaining about things you don't even understand about. Go home kid.

>>378760590
Reported, it's not better than conquest.
Go shitpost on reddit instead

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>>378760960
I still don't see why /v/ cannot express moderation and defaults to extremes. Echoes is fine, a solid addition to the series. Not the best in the series, not the worst in the series, but a good game.
Why does every game have to be either the absolute GOAT or a penis shaped piss stain on the fabric of the series?

>>378768206
What is the difference. You could change Alms look and that doesn't change how he acts. Changing Corrin or Robins appearance doesn't change the game play or story. They are still the main unit and the game ends if they die. Maybe if that wasn't the case for your custom unit but really, there isn't much difference other then you can dress up Robin and Corrin. Alm and Celica are still your avatars since they are the ones you control.

What is Arachnea? Sounds like arachnophobia to me, Palla.

I know, I have reading comprehension. From the context, it looks like a callback to a certain continent besides Valentia.

So, here's my question. Which FE takes place in the same universe and which are new?

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The world map in this game fucking sucks. I can't believe that some actually believe that the game doesn't encourage grinding.

>>378768487
Because reasonable discussion doesn't give you (You)s. And 13/14 made my autism angry so now everyone needs to hate them as much as I do.

>>378768506
The fact character creation makes people project different reality on what is supposed to be the main character. That alone, I think, is a distraction to the storytelling itself. Well, if there is any. I believe there is a semblance of plot, don't worry.

>>378768079
No that's what a port/remaster should be

A remake of this caliber where they overhauled the whole art style should have fixed the issues in the original

>Gaiden came out in 1992
>25 years worth of improvements and innovations to the series like weapon triangle, better supports, better map design etc
>Echoes decides to not to fix any of the originals issues or add in any improvements and release the same fucking game from 1992 except now it has a shallow dungeon crawling feature no one ever asked for

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Why is Faye so best?

SoV may be the easiest Fire Emblem in a long time, but it's the most like the old games to me.
It justs exudes the Fire Emblem feel, something I didn't get from Awakening and Fates. That, and the dub isn't atrocious this time.

Is it 100% uncensored and properly translated?

I'm not buying another of these until they are.

>>378768834
>That, and the dub isn't atrocious this time.
Berkoot voice acting was pretty good, mathilda on the other hand...

>>378768364
You could easily unban yourself in like 3 minutes even if you did.

>>378768447
>It wouldn't work in Echoes

So you're telling me they can't remake the maps and enemies to accommodate for the weapon triangle even though they've added things that weren't in the original Gaiden in Echoes? Do not excuse IS' laziness.

>>378760590

Act 6 is entirely optional ?

Does it have story or is it just the escort quest ?

>>378768863
Haven't heard anything about censorship. IMO censorship doesn't matter in Fire Emblem because I'm not there for fucking waifus, but if you're a fucking pleb who only cares about swimsuits and titties, be my guest. More sales for a great franchise.
I don't know anything about the translation though.

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Why is this choice always made so easy for the player?

>>378760590
The only reason I like it more is that as an overall package it works better. The gameplay is average and the story is average, but it balances out a slight bit better than Fates (read: Conquest) simply because while CQ (not rev or BR though) has some of the most enjoyable map design in the series, the story and almost every other aspect is almost intolerably bad to the point where it is of direct detriment.
Basically a 6/10+6/10 vs a 9/10+0/10.

>>378768979
You go beat up baby Grima.

>>378769016
I like titties and swimsuits, and just don't buy games where they are removed.

I will buy it when these things are restored though.

>>378760590
>though the turnwheel was going to be casual babby shit
>game is so RNG filled that it's more like a massive QoL change
The chapter where you rescue Matilda would have been impossible to do without the turnwheel and kliff getting a lucky crit on desaix

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>send character to enemy hoping to get 10% chance of crit
>I don't and the enemy doesnt die because of it
>use mila's turnwheel to try again
>get the crit

this shouldn't be allowed kek

>>378769035

I'll take that pair of boots over EVERYONE else in that image.

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>>378768668
Fucking (You)s man. I'd post my (You) image with a guy poking his (You) dick in a girl's cheek but I don't want the risk.

>>378769162
Why don't you just watch porn or get a gf

>>378761398

Name one objectively good thing the weapon triangle adds to the game.

Granted, Echoes' system isn't really any better and optimally there would be a dozen base weapon types that are all good for something.

>>378769370
Because I like sexuality and titties infused into other things.

>>378766846
>>378767673
there is literally nothing wrong with the gameplay

>>378768834
I'm not going to argue with you on the dub but I think when most people say "Classic FE" they think of the GBA games.

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>>378768863
Localization has always existed
FE9, FE10, TTYD, FE8

Reminder that if you're playing easy and you use the turnwheel then you're a casual. It's a little better on hard, but still sad.

>>378769481
theres only Normal and Hard

>>378769275
The only thing that saves are growth (until battle end) everything else is rerolled

>>378768447
>It wouldn't work in Echoes
And why not?
>Muh no axe users
Then give mercenaries and knights axes you fucking retard.

>>378769035
It's not. Both Sonya and Deen are good. Dread Fighter is broken and Sonya can help you cheese the final boss/map easily as well as other things.

>>378768834
>it's the most like the old games to me.
>It justs exudes the Fire Emblem feel
I think that's why I like it so much even if the gameplay wasn't as tight as Conquest's. It gives me the same warm FE feeling I haven't felt since Ike's games. Especially right at the end when everyone has their final battle quotes. Feels good to have the characters comment on how they feel during the final boss instead of just fellating the Avatar's dick.

>>378769415
>include a feature that lets the player turn back time up to 12 times
>completely destroying the little risk management the game had left
>nothing wrong

>>378768518
Archanea: continent on the same planet as Valencia. Where Marths games and awakening take place.

The timeline is FE1, FE gaiden, FE2. The Pegasus sisters are characters from Marths games.
Most other

>>378769395
Weapon Triangle keeps the game from being a stats fest.

>>378769526
Normal is easy.
>>378769687
It's optional, but you're a scrub if you use it.

>>378769923
>stats fest
>bad

>>378770060
I was hoping you would be smart enough not to respond with this but it seems I was wrong.

>>378769942
Optional doesn't keep it from being a bad mechanic. Pairing up in Awakening is optional as well, doesn't mean it isn't poorly implemented.

>>378770227
>Pairing up in Awakening is optional as well
it isn't optional when the game is balanced around it

>>378770318
There are ways to beat the game without using pair up.

>Awakening comes out
>people love it
>Fates comes out
>Everyone loves Fates and Awakening gets completely shit on
>Echoes comes out
>Everyone loves Echoes and everyone shits on Fates

Hmmmmm

>>378770503

> some shithead on 4chan
> everyone

How do you get good at strategy rpgs? I've never really played them so I'm horrible. Is there a quick way to deal with the cantors or am I just supposed to fight the waves they spawn until I can eventually get to them

I can tell all of the people whining about gameplay haven't played past act one since they don't touch on arts and forging.

>>378770737
You eventually get a spell called Expel that has a 65% chance of killing every terror each.

>>378770503
Now I propose a question.
Who is the most awful of these three in regards to their own games?
Fire Emblem Fans
Pokemon Fans
SMT Fans

>>378770884
Because neither of those fixed Gaiden being a shallow stats barrier.

>>378771002
Fire Emblem.
Pokemon fans are cynical or overly optimistic, and SMT fans eat everything up. Fire Emblem fans hate everything and everyone so they're even more irritating then SMT fans.

>>378770884
Hunter's Volley and Double Lion are broken and Brave Sword and Lady's Sword are unbalanced. There, happy?

>>378768206
>since awakening
nigga they have been in other FE games before

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>>378760960
I see more people shitting on Awakening and Fates constantly like they are the spawn of Satan while praising Echoes as the best thing in the last 10 years.

In truth, Echoes is a good but still flawed games. It's a game that essentially is 'ok' for 'old' FE fans to like because it's a remake of an old game. All of those who despised Awakening and Fates with every fiber of their being are now coming out and coming all over Echoes.

It's a good rep of the sad state of the FE fanbase that's split between "WE WANT AN MU AND WAIFUS/HUSBANDOS!" audience and the "EVERYTHING NEW SUCKS FE IS ABOUT THE STORY (and waifus/husbandos, but as long as there isn't an MU we can claim they aren't)" audience.

Simply put, both sides of the fanbase are fucking insufferable.

>>378771345
FE 12 and....

>>378771498

FE7 remake, wait for it.

I'm on chapter 3. Maps are shit. Characters and their relationships are excellent compared to Fates, though.

>>378771395
Awakening was fine, Fates is unbearable though.

>>378771395
>It's a game that essentially is 'ok' for 'old' FE fans to like because it's a remake of an old game

Don't let 4chan delude you. Many old fans such as myself do not like Gaiden or Echoes.

>>378771002
Mario>>>>>>>>>>Zelda=Pokemon>>>
Metroid>>>MarioRPG>>FE >>>Smash>>
>>>Sonic

>>378771771
GBAbbies should stop considering themselves old FE fans.

You queers are just as bad as the 3DSfags.

What do you consider old fans?

Starting with blazing sword on NA release isn't old

>>378769923
What if I told you that weapon triangles basically just add one more stat to the stat fest?

Because that's what they do.

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>>378771747
>Awakening was fine

>>378768206
>Blazing Sword has Mark, the first fucking game to come out in the west
>New Mystery of the Emblem has Chris, the first playable Avatar
>Awakening was the gestation of Avatars

u wot m8

>>378771747
>>378772369
I like how Awakeningfags try to jump on a "Me too!" bangwagon with the oldfags. It's like Awakening is that kid that got bullied by the older kids, but when Fates came along and the bullies started focusing more on it, Awakening also started bullying it to try and fit in.

>>378771851
The only really bad thing I've noticed about Mario fans is the occasional Daisy/Rosalina war. Kirby fans also seem pretty decent aside from when they push the "Kirby is the most powerful character ever created" meme too hard.

>>378772190
Probably about as old as a western FE fan can be under normal circumstances.

>>378772190
The the original western fire emblem fanbase who imported or emulated the games. When FE7 came out the influx of faggotry was too much and quickly destroyed everything

>>378771601
there's no chapters

i realized that IntSys was genius for remaking this when i realized how perfect it was for awakeningfags

the maps suck and the gameplay mechanics are imba as shit so its only appeal is the aesthetics/characters, just like awakening.

I'm keeping Gradivus on Zeke right now because it's his rightful lance.

Can anyone make better use of it? Mathilda is doing fine with other lances right now despite being my best Gold Knight.

>>378772341
It's not that simple in Fates.


http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_Rank

Ctrl + F + Weapon Rank Bonus

>>378772926
I'm actually really surprised how many people shit on one or the other despite how similar they overall gameplay is

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>>378773025
Wow I don't give the mechanics in Fates enough credit.

>>378773025

Oh wow anon, another stat.

That certainly makes the game less of a "stat fest" as the other anon was complaining.

Will FE fans ever stop pretending this series was great?

One thing I liked about Heroes is how important the weapon triangle is. In most games the bonus/penalty is fairly minor.

>>378773367
It was great, during the SFC era.

>>378773243
The weapon triangle in Fates is built around the weapon's "flaw".

>>378773025
I really hope this system is used from now. This system is the best usage of the weapon triangle.

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Consider this
All the 3DS games were varying degrees of passable and are decent games to play.
There is no war between the fanbases outside of /v/ and most people enjoyed them all, except Revelations, which was panned even by normalfags.
Everyone may hold a different opinion and enjoy certain games more than others.

>no weapon triangle
>all ranged units can attack from melee
>weapons are largely the same, just give units abilities

combat feels sluggish and a bit uninvolved with out the systems from the previous game. It's not bad really, but it just has less to it it seems. I'm not too far in yet so I'm sure it spices up, but it seems very basic at the moment.

enjoyed awakening a lot more so far, but it's already leagues above fates for me

>>378773769
Nah, fates was shit.

>new mechanic they added in Echoes are Weapon Arts so they can give variety to the combat
>never used them because regular attacks are stonger anyway

t-thanks

>>378773870
I share that opinion, but I think it's fine if people think it's good. What's the big issue? Why does everyone have to share the same opinion.

>>378774016
Only the top tier arts are actually useful, but the HP cost related to most of them makes them situational at best.

>>378774309
You're the only one implying that anon.

People are free to like whatever games they like and I'm free to call them shit. Stop being so sensitive about it.

>>378770503
>Fates comes out
>Everyone loves Fates

Were you actually here for that? Fates threads were basically 90% complaints/memes about the localization.

>>378774520
That's what I said, you are free to do so and so is everyone else. By replying to my post stating that everyone may have a different opinion with a statement that could be seen as asserting a singular position as correct, you implied that the latter part of my statements were also incorrect even if you were only addressing my initial statements. Resorting blindly to insulting me is unrelated to this.

>>378774016
Curved Shot really helped my otherwise shitty archers who can't get above 70% hit rate without it.

>>378760590
The localisation is every bit as awful as those two games, though. Why can't they just not change shit?

>>378775072
You're making a whole lot of assumptions and getting bent out of shape for no reason, just calm down anon, we're all friends here. You really need to learn not to take things so personally.

>>378775442
I apologize if my post communicated anger or "getting bent out of shape," I suppose in my haste to point out your assumptions I made far too many of my own. You are correct.

>>378775573
I made no assumptions you are mistaken, but you're working on it. That's good.

>>378766906
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BEAT THIS MAP

>>378775695
You assumed I was being "sensitive" about it, that I disagreed with you in the first place, and that I was angry about your post when I simply wished to address why I made the post responding to you.

>>378768717

>adding a weapon triangle to a game that didn't even have it

dummy

>>378766787
jesus christ i hated that map so much
who the fuck designed that garbage
haven't played echoes yet, are a lot of the maps in it like that?

So on my way to Grieth

Who should I hit first, Deen or Titty-monster Sonya?

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He didn't do anything wrong at all. Best "villain" in the series pretty much. The scenes with Rinea were beautiful too. Didn't expect them to make such a great OC character

Best overworld map theme in the series coming through
https://youtu.be/82tEI4yLEWA

>>378760590
Its the worst home console game, but it still ended up as the best handheld game. The handheld games are just that inferior.

>>378776214
The overall terrain is simlar, but the unit placement isn't and on that map in awakening at chapter 2 nevertheless, it's the biggest problem
Early game Awakening is broken and made me drop out of a Lunatic attempt

>>378774016
If you stop playing on easy the +might ones make a lot more sense.

>>378771395
>the story

How about the fucking maps and gameplay.

Fuck eugenics.
Fuck reclassing.
Fuck shit maps.

I dont give a fuck if the game has mu and shipping if it avoids the above 3 pieces of shit.

Now fuck off with your falseflaggig.

>>378775142

>localization every bit as bad as Fates

prove it. I'm not defending Echoes but it would have a fucking trashbin script to be worse than Fates. Everything about Echoes seems pretty stock by the franchises standards in the past. I don't see any pickles, . . ., or SHIT JUST GOT BANANACAKES in here.

>>378769035
Missed out Cyas and Sety, Conomore and Amalda, Olwen and Eyrios, Sleuf, and, Miranda, and Wallace and Geitz

>>378775971
Valbart to tank, and bait, mages to finish.

>>378776302
You don't want to recruit one?

>>378775971
??

I LITERALLY just did this map, like a half hour ago

Wasn't hard at all, Just had Boey/Mae sit in the back casting black magic to archers, while Celica/that gay Tank dude pushed their way in through the choke with Genny providing heals.

And Palla and Catria flew up past the walls, one on each side picking off archers.

ez pz

The only hard part is wasting so many turns getting to the castle since so many can only move 1 space from the sand

>>378776413
or grinding like a dumbass

I used a lot of them because they help get an edge when you are on par with the enemy otherwise, on speed and attack-defense

>>378776516
>Fuck eugenics.
>Fuck reclassing.
Yeah fuck depth.

>>378776516
>Fuck eugenics.
>Fuck reclassing.

Why?

>>378776516
>video games should be an interactive experience with minimal agency
kys

>>378760590
Is the main lord bloodthirsty relative to all the other lords? Like he doesn't give a shit about killing?

>>378776516

>Fuck eugenics.
it's optional. always has been.
>Fuck reclassing.
MUH CANON CLASS faggots gotta stop. let people min max in peace.
>Fuck shit maps.
nothing in Echoes is as bad as early Awakening. Cave encounters don't count.

>>378776541
>big hurty lightning

>>378776595
Wait you can recruit one? How would I go about to recruiting Sonya? Hit Deen and Sonya comes after me and she becomes recruitable?

Trying not to be a guide-following faggot kind of guy, want to play the game blind first time, but hell yeah I'd love the Titty Monster in my party

>>378760960
By /v/ standards I wouldn't call reception negative as while there are complaints the threads haven't devolved into mass shitpostin.

>>378776784

that's the best you got? Also fuck you anyway Pinktails a cute.

>>378776634
You don't have to grind like a dumbass and it's not like the game doesn't encourage it.

>>378776784
>>378776541
without the dumb dub it is fine.
Only found a couple offenders in text and screenshoted them, but not much. They might even be the same in japanese

>>378776784
>one character written to be spunky has lines you don't like the sound of
Boohoo. I admit there was some iffy stuff at the beginning, but there was really almost nothing wrong with the localization. Alm and Berkut both had god tier lines, like
>Every part of me-every fiber of my being- is telling me this is wrong
Or one of my favorites
>Power isn't lent, it's taken! Pried from the hands of your dead foes!

>>378777078
That's the most publicised one. I tried playing the game and the script had so many unnecessary changes in the first ten minutes that I gave up and came to that conclusion.

>>378776920
You kill on, fight Bartheas or whatever his name was and recruit the other one at his fort

>>378776214
I haven't played Awakening in years and have no intentions of going back to it, but what was bad about that map?

>>378776945

the only legit complaining I've heard are A) The maps are shit and B) the DLC is too expensive. No censorship talk since the localization choice were minimal at best and the NOT MUH FIRE EMBLEM faggot are either Awakening shitters mad at the lack romance or oldfags mad they didn't Judgral or Roy's game instead.

>>378776516
The plot for Echoes isn't even that good in the first place.

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>>378777227
Sweet, thanks m8

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>tfw final theme kicks in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzKptJ9VIiE
Really considering it as my top FE game at the moment. Most engaged I got in the story and characters in a while.

>>378777134

>I ran across one or two shit lines so the whole dub must be like this

no one is screencappping like crazy in Fates like with LEL PICKLES XD, dot dot dot, or THAT WAS I LOVE YOU IN DRAGON so I'm going to assume the dub script sn't nearly as bad as Fates was.

My biggest complaint is a problem Fates had too.

No iconic side view fixed camera in battle. I understand why they had to remove it, because of the way terrain works for battles now, with potential obstacles in the way, but it's a good enough feature that they should have found a way around that and kept it in. Having the camera spin around like a fucking autistic tornado just makes me want to turn off battle animations altogether.

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Why do people complain about Celica's swamp maps but not the swamp maps in Radiant Dawn? Hell, the map where you fight Izuka in Part 4 could almost be a replica of Celica's second swamp map.

>all this bitching

I dunno, I'm having a blast. The only Fire Emblem game I've really played from start to finish was Path of Radiance on the GameCube.

Playing Echoes is giving me giddy flashbacks of that game.

I suppose I should get into the modern fire emblem games. I only got to play about an hour of Awakening when my friend let me borrow it a bit.

>>378760590

Can I fight that Chancellor DeSaix later and get the Dracoshield? I accidentally saved after beating the battle prematurely by beating his subordinate in Act 1.

>>378760590
I really dislike how there is no marriage

>>378773482
It took until thrakia 776 to reach the point

>>378777831
Nope

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>>378771851
DKbros are the most chill and funny fanbase.

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>>378777901

>378777901
Too easy

>>378777901

but anon there is marriage. Everyone that lives gets paired off in the epilogue.

>>378777152
The localization was pretty much perfect. I know people are being cautious after the travesty that was Fates, but Echoes is fucking spot-on. Clive and Catria could be a bit monotone at times, but the dub was great. The script was translated fairly accurately, and 8-4 went above and beyond adding some flowery dialog similar to Shadow Dragon for a true and proper localized script. Nothing was cut or censored, and we're ever getting all the DLC this time—including the bonus characters from the Japanese-exclusive TCG, Cipher.

Honestly, I don't how they really could have made the localization any better than it is outside of adding new bonus content like a Final Mix version of a Kingdom Hearts game. Echoes is probably the best treatment any Fire Emblem localization has ever received.

>>378777831

you fucked up hard

>>378776305
I'm pretty sure having an autistic fit and selling Rinea to Duma for muh power is one of the dumbest things you can do. His death scene was still pretty powerful though.

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Why is it the quietest ones are always the sluttiest

>>378760590
>You all lied to me damn it. Its better than Fates and Awakening
How about "Its a different game"
Its better in some regards and worse in others

>>378778198
They're probably going to fuck it up and hand FE Switch to Treehouse.

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>>378777794
Radiant dawn doesn't need the swamp maps to be shit

>>378778001

If you ignore the K.Rool/Kremling autists, sure.

>>378778198
>The script was translated fairly accurately

Not really. I'm playing the undub and it's filled with liberties. Most of them aren't that bad though. Not nearly as bad as Fates. The worst of it is how they keep trying to "punch up" Celica to make her sound less "shrine-maiden-y" because apparently western players hate it when women aren't zany, tough and wacky.

>~7 hours in and at early act 3
>read that the game only has 5 acts with one more optional act 6 at the end
>act 5 is apparently all dungeon

yo why is this game so short?

>>378778350
why is the sheep so lewd, she is supposed to be a cleric

>>378778217
>>378777831
I'm at this battle right now. Tried it, beat his subordinate, lost three units in the process, reloaded because this is such an awful outcome.

I have no idea how to deal with him desu. My units with the most defense still get their asses handed. I considered using magic but his resistance is just as big as the defense.

I'll probably put a tank in front of him, a cleric right behind and an archer behind the cleric, then mow him down with arrows + magic while healing the tank as needed but fuck this is much harder than any other FE I've played

And I'll have to do all that while avoiding killing the subordinate, and he will probably just keep trying over and over again to suicide himself in my units so it'll be tough.

>>378777553
Echoes had an amazing OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpG_zak-opg

Even though the maps were lacking at times, I really enjoyed the overall experience. Loved the characters too, only real complaints are about Celica being stupid and Faye being the biggest yandere in the series. But Echoes reminded me of why I fell in love with the series.

>>378777794
Everyone bitches about Part 4's non-Endgame maps though, they're boring routfests with a fuck ton of reinforcements that serve no purpose other than helping you grind up your units for the tower. You can just sic Tibarn on Izuka though, it's a kill boss map.

So are Leo and Takumi the best written royal siblings from each of their respective kingdoms? At least support-wise?

I'm just now noticing that they both have inferiority complexes.

>>378777604
>THAT WAS I LOVE YOU IN DRAGON

>A kid acting like a kid is bad

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>>378778512
>Yandere Faye
>>>>>bad

>>378760590

You see the problem with the internet is that people talk too damn much and always say the same things regardless without even playing anything. I remember about a week before it came out there was a clear and obvious attempt to convince people the game was absolute dog shit by people that hadn't played it and then it came out and it's been almost all positive and the highest rated 3DS game to come out this year so far I believe. Just don't go in expecting all the systems to be identical to Awakening and Fates or even most Fire Emblem games though.

>>378777794
Radiant Dawn was played by comparatively few people.
>>378778456
>tries to kill her
>fails
>does it again
>fails
>unseated by rebellion
>well lets go out trying to kill her again, it's going to work super well, haha black knight more like black dick lol
Gee Jarod

What is the best Fire Emblem game of all time and why is it Path of Radiance?

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>>378778712
It's bad in that it's literally all there is to her. She has no character beyond her obsession with Alm. She makes Tharja look mentally healthy.

>>378778798
it's as if Micaiah is an unlikable Mary sue

>>378778707
>All children are retarded

>>378760960
>It's a great game, just different from the Fire Emblem norm.
Not even the most diehard of Star Fox or Metroid fans use this excuse to defend their shitty games.
You're supposed to FIX the flaws of a remake, not keep them in to "enhance" the nostalgia. Echoes didn't do that. Same with Shadow Dragon, and when that came out all fans agreed that being too faithful to the original was its biggest flaw.

>>378777794
First swamp map gives you access to bird Laguz and doesn't have every unit that isn't flying moving 1-2 squares a turn just to get to the enemies. The swamp is there to make it harder for you to rescue the people which will in turn give you .exp. There's really no reason why it should take so long just to reach the enemy on Celica's swamp map. Even worse is that you take damage. All you had to do is use your brain and think.

>>378771184
Brave Sword isn't even the best sword but okay champ.

>>378778887
*blandest*
agreed

>>378778198
>The script was translated fairly accurately
>and 8-4 went above and beyond adding some flowery dialog
That's not how it works. You can't have both of those you dipshit.

>>378778887
Path of radiance certainly isn't it. Super story but it was so easy it was almost able to be crushed blindfolded. It's up there though.
>>378778926
She looks like one on paper but overall she plays her role well when in the actual story.

>>378779045
Anon is actually right.

Localization implies adapting it, not doing a literal translation

>>378760590
That fact that there's no breeding system (face it, it always was cringy and retarded as fuck) automatically makes it better.

Now you pair units for their personality, dialogue, story and combat advantages instead of worrying about which pairing gives galeforce or extra speed to the kid.

>>378778946
>Being goofy is retarded

Holy fuck, you must be a single child who never comes out of the basement therefore never interacting with a kid before in your life. How shit was your childhood bro?

>>378779161
Which is what you're implying they didn't do when you say "translated accurately".

>>378779161
That has little to do with those two statements.

>>378778478
Or maybe she doesn't sound like a shrine maiden in English because shrine maidens are a Japanese construct. English Celica acts similarly to a devoted Christian, so the localization works since she still acts as a religious person would. You have to understand Japanese will never translate 1:1 with English. That doesn't mean localizers should have free reign to change whatever they want, but they need to keep tone and context without relying on Japanese-exclusive verbiage.

>>378779224
>Every child is goofy
Is that better for you? Do you get the point yet? Not every child has to be goofy, so why make them goofy when they weren't before?

>>378778712
She doesn't look yandere to me, I wish her character got more development but you can clearly see she's a sweet girl outside of her obsession with Alm.
She doesn't seem to hate Celica at all and even has a support-lite with her.

>“Oh, Celica! You're back! Gosh, how long has it been? I've missed you so much! Alm left Ram. Did you know that? Just up and LEFT! I'm so desperately lonely... Anyway, I thought about going after him just to teach him a lesson, but I didn't. I'd probably get killed by some foul beast out there on my own, you know? Hey, wait... Are you on a journey or quest or whatever? Then maybe I could go with you!"

>>378778740
>I remember about a week before it came out there was a clear and obvious attempt to convince people the game was absolute dog shit by people that hadn't played i

>Game was leaked over a month ago
>Menu patch was immediately released letting you test out the gameplay
>Game is faithful to its source material to a fault
>Gaiden is easy as fuck to pirate
>T-t-t-they haven't even played the game

>>378779340
>English Celica acts similarly to a devoted Christian, so the localization works since she still acts as a religious person would.
No that's completely wrong. I'm saying that in scenes where in Japanese she responds to something completely seriously and politely, the localization adds in a joke or makes her seem more "tough" and rugged. It's not just going from shrine maiden to Christian.

>>378766846
PoR was really easy and the skills system was still pretty bad and the maps were uninspired at times yet it's still my favorite FE, Echoes now being a close second. It may be even tied, I'll have to play both again soon.

>>378779340
You're admitting that it's not accurate, so why did you say it was translated accurately in the first place?

>>378761169

Cynical fucking retards that talk too much basically, but it is what it is and it's a small albeit vocal localized contingent pretty specific to internet shithole forums. It really is obvious that that's what's going on too by now. Literally just stick a tits and ass fanservice anime girl in a game (not really a problem with most JRPGs really) and it can be a piece of shit budget game like your average Neptunia game but /v/ will claim to be all over it anyway and that it's a potential GOTY and all that stuff. That's all it takes though cause that's all your average /v/ regular cares about.

I stopped even remotely listening to /v/'s opinions on Western developed games for this very reason (not that /v/ talks about those much anymore anyway because it's noticeably full of weebs particularly this day) cause they're never going to have "waifu" characters for obvious reasons so all /v/ would ever tell me is that they're all shit and I know that's the sole reason for them saying that.

I mean there's a reason the majority of the planet absolutely fucking hates otaku and weeb personalities and why their appearances in public places are largely scorned and discourage even in Japan. They have a growing reputation of just being degenerate assholes on the internet who know jack shit about anything besides their hobby and even if that's not always how they are in public, it still reflects poorly on the group as a whole. I mean you could just feel the abject loathing and disdain seething from the regular commuters and people passing by Anime North this year that I've never really noticed to that degree before even if those weebs were just minding their own business. It was almost impressive in a way.

>>378778887
not quite
776>>>>>>>PoR>everything else

>>378778987
>First swamp map gives you access to bird Laguz
And you have access to three fliers in Celica's route. Use them.

>>378779396

Even if they did play it somehow which I severely doubt and have zero evidence of most of what they say unsurprisingly turned out to be hard bullshit and it's blatant obvious what they were trying to do and how it failed miserably to take off.

Found like shadow weapons are they like double edged swords on my units because of the curse effect ?

>>378777794
who the fuck said we don't.
there are more fliers in RD tho.

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>>378778887
>PoR
>good

>>378779006
Doesn't mean it isn't unbalanced. I mentioned Brave Sword because the OP mentioned Forging.

>>378779548
The majority of the map is made out of swamp and you play in swamp maps back-to-back centralizing the maps around whichever units have an easier time crossing the swamp and making it even harder to raise mages like Boey and Mae.

>>378779340
>>378779493
I should also clarify that when I say "that's the worst they did", I don't mean that as a bad thing. I'm saying that those relatively minor and inconsequential changes are the worst they did, which says that the translation is pretty good overall.

>>378778605
Haha, Xander beats Leo as best written Nohr sibling. Leo's supports are boring. Support Xander is also very different from game Xander. You might love one but hate the other. Takumi is great in story but his supports are bland. He works best as an antagonist I feel. Leo competes with Hinoka for most bland royal.

>>378779161
"It is okay when 8-4 does it."

Odd question, but for the DLC of Echoes, which one's are absolutely must-have?

I'm fine with paying ~10 bucks for one or two must-have DLC packs but fuck the $45 for everything

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>>378779857
Are we posting Awakening-esque maps that are in the older games?

>>378778198

It'd be nice if Nintendo of America's policies start to shift now. They seem to have no problem with tattered clothing in Heroes and absolutely nobody seems happy about how they've handled certain things like Fates translation and all the censorship in Tokyo Mirage Sessions. It just makes little sense that all these other games being released around them are able to have sexual themes present and intact yet Tsubasa needs her anime titties covered up and no swimsuits for Fates among other things.

It's not even like other Nintendo games aren't playing the waifu game now either. Look at Twintelle, Lusamine, Palutena, Princess Zelda, Mipha and the like among other recent examples.

>>378779857
>Genealogy.png

>>378779680
>severely doubt and have zero evidence

Just admit you're a close-minded faggot who can't tolerate people who actually played Echoes not liking Echoes. Because there were plenty of posts discussing the gameplay around the time it was leaked. If they didn't actually play the game how would they know anything the gameplay you idiot.

>>378780020
Inner Sanctum if you want to farm items.
Prequel DLC if you want to play it yourself and unlock the supports, otherwise you can see it on youtube.
Cipher because it's 4 new characters with 2 supports for a good price.

What's the best composition to fight Grima in the postgame dungeon?
Went in with 2 clerics, 3 dread fighters, Alm, Celica, bow knight, baron and DEALTHEEEEAAAA. Doesn't seem to work that good, even though I had no problems with going through the dungeon.

>>378780020
>>378780221
>paying for DLC
>Paying or 3DS games

>>378779493
An example would help your case better than empty words.
>>378779518
That's why I used the word "fairly," you know? It's prett much as good as Japanese-to-English can be. Look at Persona 5 for a literal translation. It reads like fucking stilted garbage and STILL takes random liberties wherever Fatlus USA felt like it. Echoes struck a balance; it reads like it was written be someone who actually understands language barriers and adapted things to match western contexts instead of morals or memes.

i like echoes more alone for the fact that the goddamn awdul shit pairing system isn't there

Fuck the pairing system in awakening and fates

>>378760960

Literally this. /v/ and really most of the internet's supposed gamer base cannot seem to frame a discussion or topic as anything other than a bitter often pointless argument. They'll even come up with stuff to bitch or argue about based on the smallest bits of information and speculation that often doesn't even remotely matter just cause it's the only way they know how to introduce or continue a topic. A lot of it just seems like wasted negative emotional energy to be honest.

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>It's a "4 Cantors sit on the other side of the map and summon like crazy" map

>>378780235
Turn a DF back to Villager.
Make them a Bow Knight this time.
Give them a forged Killer Bow.
GG no re.

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>>378780063
Yep

>>378780165
Needs more tree tiles and desert tiles to make it extra tedious to cross.

>>378777280
The initial placement is awful. Only luck will protect you the two first turns.

>>378780375
Fuck the interesting battle system that made it feel like your army was helping each other out more!

Granted it was broken as shit in awakening. Fates fixed a lot of it and being paired up isn't always the best option.

>>378780420
I love you faggots love to vilify anyone that criticizes the game. The game has some serious, legitimate flaws but I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself to a brick wall. I'll just hope Echoes sells like shit and the remakes stop because IS obviously doesn't know what the fuck they are doing.

>>378780323
>An example would help your case better than empty words.

I wish I could remember the exact example I had in mind. It was early in the game though. I think it was her talking to Boey or Saber in one of the voiced scenes. In Japanese she says something like "I'll do my best" or some typical shrine maiden shit, and then in English out of nowhere she threatens to punch him or something. If I could recall what it was exactly, I would point it out.

>>378768487

It's not just /v/ it's like this pretty much everywhere now. It's the dregs of the dumb millennials that came of age and their shit talk that started to really hit the internet around 2014-2015 and is even more noticeable in 2017. You basically just have to hope the next generation of 15-25 somethings that are likely to post the most in places like this isn't as flat out awful on average and manages to learn something from the mistakes of the first wave of millennials who are clearly going nowhere in life once they're done their secondary and post-secondary stints in the next few years.

>>378780235
Went in with Cleric Faye, Baron Lukas, Mage Kliff and Dealthea, Bow Knight Tobin, Gold Knight Mathilda, Falcon Knight Clair and Alm and Celica.

I didn't grind but used my fountains/stat up items on Alm/Celica to avoid game overs.
Baron Lukas was completely useless, and most of my damage was done by the mages. Clair with the Gravidus put in a lot of work too.
Tobin + Faye is what really carried me though, nothing like sending Tobin to destroy any kind of important target with his killer bow before rescuing him back.

>>378780323
>Look at Persona 5 for a literal translation.
You're retarded. Persona 5 is not literal in the slightest, it's just poorly edited.

Reminder that Echoes was made by IS's resident Gaidenfags; they genuinely like the maps and would want to keep them the same. I can respect that.

>>378780665
You could make the most brilliant argument and it wouldn't matter. You would be labeled. Fates or Awakening fag and every point you made ignored because they don't have an actual argument against your own.

>>378779530
Sensing a lot of angst so that's why I'm replying.

I'm not a weeb either, but beyond the potential humor it could spawn, I'm not a fan of waifufags either. Hell, it was nearly impossible to talk about Persona 5 the last two months without them shitting up every thread that attempted to talk about something else.

But you gotta remember, they're not the only "degenerate" group on the planet, and while they're most definitely looked down upon by a lot of people, the majority of the planet just doesn't care, even at least don't have the time too care.

>>378780774
Fair enough. I'd say that it also has a bit to do with how people somehow still value review scores and how skewed those have become (5/6 is now unredeemable shit, 7/8 is ok, only 9/10 is worthy of praise, etc.)

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>>378780846
Forgot I took Dread Fighter Saber too, although he fell off the further I got.

>>378780323
>Look at Persona 5 for a literal translation. It reads like fucking stilted garbage
Opinion disregarded. I bet you saw one "senpai" or "san" and immediately had a tantrum because you hate it when games that take place in Japan are too Japanese.

It's no worse than movies set in Paris where they say "monsieur".

>>378778904
I feel like she's that way to get the tharja crowd into the game

>>378780918

Precisely. There's just hardly any point really, it's why I'm selective on what I even bother respond to because I know what greentexts or cycles of shitposting follow. I reply to maybe 10% of all posts that quote me cause usually it's somebody blatantly trying to bait thinking I'm another one of the angry fuckers or just talking shit in general.

>>378780846
>>378780458
Well, my Tobin does shit all because crits aren't damaging enemy knights that much.
Guess reclassing dreads it is.

>>378781098
The Tellius games have decent map design, but I'm not a fan of how many enemies are crammed into them. It gets a bit much sometimes.

>>378780772
>In Japanese she says something like "I'll do my best" or some typical shrine maiden shit, and then in English out of nowhere she threatens to punch him or something.
Sounds about right. This is why everyone hates Lightning in the west; the localisation constantly made her angry and aggressive where she wasn't originally. American localisations do this constantly and I have no fucking idea why.

Every Fire Emblem thread before Echoes:
>"Caring about story in FE"
>"Story in FE was never good"
>"The gameplay and maps are always the most important"
>Arguments about map design and mechanics

Fire Emblem threads after Echoes:
>"There's more to FE than just the gameplay"
>"Who cares about map design"
>"There's nothing wrong with empty squares"
>"It's a remake, they're SUPPOSED to be bad"

>>378780874
>poorly-edited script reads like a literal translation
Wow, it's almost like a literal translation is a poorly-edited script. Really activates my almonds.

>>378766906
Because literally nobody had played Gaiden, but now that there's a new game which is basically a carbon copy, people can actually weigh in on the game. It really shouldn't make you think too hard.

>>378781315
Stay mad people are enjoying a real FE game, nuFEfag.

>>378781315

I guess I just imagined years of people circlejerking over Genealogy's story.

>>378781432
There is a reason your series was dying before awakening.

>>378766906
Nobody cares about games they don't play unless it's a meme to shit in it.

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>>378781274
RD has the best map design between the two.

>>378780975

Maybe only a little bit. I mean I legitimately am into a lot of this JRPG stuff, I have nothing against sex appeal in games like that either, it's just been kind of difficult trying to talk about it with anyone that isn't in my immediately close circle of friends because of this overwhelming need for the internet to turn everything into a pointless feud and shitpost.

That said I'm not even sure the shitposting is as bad as it was at the start of 2017 lately. I don't see as many back and forth droning console wars threads or just flat out mind numbing OP's as I used to. In February like 99% of threads might as well have been brainless console wars or general shitpost threads full of green text. Now maybe 33% of topics come across as abject shitpost threads. Maybe there being less high profile JRPG stuff for people to be stupid about coming out in May and June and the Switch launch being long past fresh news and clearly a success so it can't be argued over as much has something to do with it.

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>>378781368
Yeah, no, that's not how it works. A literal translation means an accurate, faithful translation. It is the opposite of a liberal translation, which means an inaccurate, loose translation. Either one of those can be well edited or poorly edited, and the quality of the editing has nothing to do with the accuracy of the translation.
But by all means, continue spouting shit you don't understand, as it only weakens your own foolish arguments.

>>378781432
>real FE game
Gaiden is anything but FE.

>>378780772
I think I remember the scene you are referring to, but alas, I too forget the context. Nevertheless, I'll take your word on it since that line did stick out in my mind. As you said before, though, it's a minor hiccup in a game that was localized properly otherwise.

>>378781432
I've played most FEs except for 1-3, Thracia and Fates Revelations but OK

>>378781068

People's recent obsession with metacritic is certainly something else. It's almost like it's own bizarre little ritual. I honestly think your average internet poster now cares more about what other people think about something than what they do, even if it's some extremely limited extremist viewpoint like "Alt-Right" people or "SJW's" that is only looking at things in terms of a specific agenda.

>>378781573
RD is the conquest of Tellius.
Decent maps, great challenge, but a lot of people hate the story (although it is better than CQ).
PoR has no fates counterpart (great story but pathetically easy gameplay).

>>378781687
It has that FE feel Awakening and Fates lacked. Maps be damned. It has the right tone of the series.

>>378778512
Celica was retarded in Gaiden so they ended up deciding to carry that over as-well. At the very least I thought they gave Celica a decent reason to do the stupid shit she does. She's so attatched to the god's teet that she simply can't fathom that Valentia could exist stably without them. Ultimately she's the same as Jedah in that sense.

>>378781573
RD was kino, I wish it didn't sell so poorly.

>>378781857
What exactly is 'FE feel'?

Celica needs more archers on her side, and Alm needs way more fucking mages on his side.

I hate how they give you three pegasus for Celica, yet every fucking map has archers galore, so their inherit good resistance to take out the shit ton of cantors means jack shit. Similarly, I hate how Alm has lots of great physical units, yet most of his enemies are fuck huge armors and barons, and you have like 3 mages max to fucking deal with all of them.

>>378781857
Nice meme. I got more FE feel from Conquest than I ever did playing Echoes.

>>378781908
Character development, mind control and deep plots.

>>378781908
FE feel.

>>378781783
>Decent maps

Until you get to part 4 and the maps devolve into shitty rout slogfests with 50 enemies spread out on flat maps while also summoning in another 50 reinforcements.

>>378777553
>one life surrenders so yours can begin
Feels bad.

>>378781908
Characters that don't have >50% growths in every fucking stat for starters.

>>378781857
>tone
You mean bland, boring and predictable?
No wonder why FE was dying before Awakening

>>378781141
Honorifics are fine given the context. It works in Persona since it obviously takes place Japan. However, they would be out of place it Echoes. "Lady Celica" works a hell of a lot better than "Celica-sama" or some other such example since Valentia is mostly European and Greek inspiration.

>>378781487
I know I'm a contrarian in this regard by I must admit I do actually quite enjoy Genealogy's map design. It's certainly flawed due to the back-tracking, but nevertheless I though enemy placement and the like was often really well done and there were a great many ways to approach enemy squadrons.

>>378781857
This. I noticed that as soon as the prologue ended.

>>378782080
Predictable? Yes. Boring? No.

>>378782072
Because getting a one point gain every other level is very fun. Binding Blade also sucked ass by the way.

>>378781768
Indeed it is. The whole "cares more about what other people think about something than what they do" was vastly exacerbated by how popular sites with "likes" or the equivalent have become. I despise the "but metacritic says it's (rating)" posts on any site. Even if you somehow value the opinions of some strange that likely shares a different viewpoint from you (critics are especially useless with anything niche), metacritic isn't even a good review compiler as they refuse to use anything with a "recommended/caution/not recommended style. People have become so latched onto it that they don't make their own opinions anymore, they just cobble together reviews and shit and call it a day.

>>378780891
Wasn't the director for Echoes the son of the Director for Gaiden, who died when he was a kid?

>>378767439
I've found the defense/offense ratio of the enemies perfectly fine, have you tried playing on Hard?

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>playing a video game for the story
Echoes and Awakening are shit because they're JRPGs with a grid, the maps are awful. The storytelling in both games are also bad, so the point is moot. Awakening's is filled with idiotic characters, while Echoes is as generic as it gets.
_____RD is better than those two games.

>>378782314
>WAHHH, WHY CAN'T EVERY UNIT I HAVE BE A DESTRUCTION GOD THAT CAN SOLO MAPS BY THEMSELVES.
Good lord.

>>378782035
Oh yeah, part 4 was certainly something else. Far too many of the gold enemies and bland "choke them all on your armored unit/whoever you can kill them with," although some of the maps were good or had interesting objectives.

>>378781985
>Conquest
>FE feel
This has to be bait. That atrocious story, fanserive gimmick characters, complete and utter lack of worldbuilding will never be FE.

You know how you can tell Echoes has FE feel? It has a goddamn narrator again just like the Tellius games. We actually get to learn about the world we're fighting for. There's no reason to care about any of the places you go to in Fates.

>>378781783
Maniac mode in PoR is decently challenging for a while. Eventually you can overpower things but the early game is pretty good.

>>378781871
That's an interesting way of looking at it, and I hadn't considered that while playing even though it seems kind of obvious now that you pointed it out.

>>378782479
>muh story

>Tfw the next remake (if we get one) is pretty much confirmed to be Binding Blade
>No FE4 remake
It hurts ;_;

>>378782373
>for the story
It's one of the elements that should compliment the other parts, Mr. Carmack.

>>378781640
The problem is a literal translation of Japanese almost never works. There's way too many phrases that only work in the context of their culture or wordplay that only works if you're reading the kanji. English and Japanese as languages just aren't very compatible; it's why there's so many conflicting opinions on these god damned translations—video games and anime alike.

>>378782396
You can be challenging while having good growths

Conquest says hi

>>378760590
Well, I could take a shit and it would be better than Awakening and Fates. It's not that much of a milestone.

>>378782479
Why bother with narration when the world is so boring in Echoes anyway? Fates lack of world building is horrible and a travesty because that could solve a few problems. It is just as bad to be boring and generic though.

>>378782508
It's average at best in the beginning in terms of challenge. Make no mistake though, I loved PoR, sometimes easy games can be really great. I enjoy RD a little more (The plot was not as terrible to me as for some) though.