FFXIV shillblood heavenshill a shill reborn Come here to argue

>dragoon turned into laser shitting job
I thought this job was supposed to be about Jump and shit.

>>378747124
Not using jumps locks you out of one of its major mechanics though.

>>378746956
Is that a lego man

>DRK's damage is only a hair behind WAR's, if at all
>Except their version of IB is off-GCD, available in tank stance, and GIVES them a Fell Cleave instead of taking one away
>And they have Trick Attack

Can we really call it a "cuckshed" if WAR and WHM are going to be starting a monogamous life together inside of it?

>>378747124
>MNK false flagging
Kill yourself fistard, DRG won once again

I'm confused, out of BRD and MCH which one is looking to be more "engaging"

>>378747218
>>And they have Trick Attack
not 100% confirmed yet but I seriously hope its true
SS is such a wank ability during actual bossfights most of the time

>>378747259
both

>>378746684
As a good example, see WoW and having certain classes being top tier on both PvE and PvP for a decade like mages, while other classes have been consistently shit tier outside one or two exceptions, like shamans or non-disc priests (and disc was only because blizzard couldn't balance shields for shit, now that they redesigned it priests are literally in the cuckshed, their class campaign is them getting literally cucked by paladins)

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>>378746956
>Healers can now pull friendlies
>Enter Titan Ex
>Stand in red
>Pull other healer with you
>Later homos

>>378747218
SMN and MNK can be the gay neighbors who get into wacky antics every week.

>>378747259
MCH looks fun as fuck imo but both jobs got almost entirely redesigned so we won't really be able to tell until we can test them ourselves.

>>378747259
We dont know dude, both of them have been heavily reworked. It's probably the kind of thing that you'll need to experience firsthand to really come to a conclusion about.

For the record though I think MCH looks fuckin awesome

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I wanna die

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>>378747306
>angry white mages wiping pugs

>>378747306
you are small time

>use surecast which gives you tempered will
>stand in landslide
>offer your sacrifice to titan
>they get punted off while you remain unaffected

>>378747079
WHM is the only job that has any legitimate reason to be upset. SMNs are just massive babies that are crying because their AoE got nerfed (just like everyone else), because they lost a DoT (just like everyone else), and because their new giant fuck-off damage abilities are balanced by minor reductions in other areas of their toolkit instead of just being added directly on top and catapulting them into 1st place DPS forever.

Oh yet, not to mention crying about how they actually summon shit now instead of spreading VD while a glowing green chicken follows them around.

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Don't bully healers

Who /switchingtoSAM/ here

>>378747368
>WHM has been getting nerfs since 2.1
Why? It makes no sense, don't they want people to heal?

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>>378747462
Right here.

>>378747457
That's a slut, tho

>>378747462
Right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1wcuoxs4mU

>>378747368
>no reraise
>no cure iv
>worse heals and regens than AST
>no shields
>just an RNG system to slightly lower cooldowns that will never really kick in unless you purposely play bad

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>>378747417
>I have brought you a maiden, Lord of the Crag

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>WAR got better
>everyone saying it's shit compared to PLD and DRK now

>>378746956
why does he look like a lego there

>All WHM GCD spells now give varying amounts of "Bloom". More powerful/expensive spells give more bloom. Attack spells are included but give less bloom than healing spells.
>At 100 Bloom, they get a Lily, and the bloom gauge is reset. Lillies stack up to 3.
>Additionally, Cure II, Cure III and Medica II have a 5% chance to grant a full Lily when cast.
>Each Lily reduces the cast times and recast times of the WHM's GCD spells by 5%. Presence of Mind removed.
>If the WHM has any Lillies, Cure III is upgraded to Cure IV. Cure IV is 700 potency on target, 500 potency to all allies within 20y of the target. Also removes any status debuffs from primary target. Using Cure IV consumes 1 Lily. Same MP cost and cast time as Cure III.
>Divine Benison - Consumes all Lillies to apply a shield to all allies within a 30y of the WHM (including the WHM) which absorbs damage equal to 5% of each target's health for 1 Lily, 12% for 2 Lillies, and 20% for 3 Lillies. 120s cooldown.
>Plenary Indulgence - Consumes all Lillies to apply a buff to all allies within 30y of the WHM (including the WHM) which reduces their GCD cast times, recast times, and auto-attack delay by 5% per Lily. Lasts 20s. 120s cooldown.
>Reraise - Can only be used with 3 Lillies. Consumes all Lillies to buff a single party member with "Reraise", which will automatically raise them if they die within the next 30s. 120s cooldown.
>Thin Air stays the way it is.
Fixed WHM.

>>378747368
>The lillies only work on cure and cure II, two spells you don't even use that much
It's 3.0 AST all over again.

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>>378747306
>>378747374
>>378747417
I don't want WHMs to read this.

>>378747641
WAR's damage got a tiny bit better while they lost all their utility

PLD and DRK got massive damage boosts on top of great utility

ESTIMATED JOB POPULARITY RANKINGS FOR SB RELEASE:

Tanks
PLD
DRK
WAR

Healers
AST
WHM
SCH

Damage Dealers
SAM
RDM
DRG
BRD
SMN
MNK
BLM
NIN
MCH

>what is up with that tank order?
PLD changes will make a lot of players return to their old mains. DRK will retain its edgelord playerbase. WAR players will flock to SAM due to muh deeps.

>WHM not least popular healer? shit list
Some disgruntled WHMs will either go AST or RDM. However, due to the ease of the job many casuals will stick with it.

>NIN/BLM/SMN that low?
Massive NIN weeb exodus to SAM, spellcasters will also flock to RDM.

>>378747509
two terms that go hand in hand

>>378747498

>Vergil glamour

Damn you read my mind

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>>378747824
>he doesn't know about the new MCH potecy per second

YOSHI YOU FAGGOT STOP NERFING FIRE IV POTENCY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>378747697
Perfect. I don't see how this was so hard. It also means the "job gauge" is morw than just a counter that goes up to 3. Someone give this man Yoshi P's job.

>>378747824
>WHM
>above anything

>>378747697
>fixed
None of those are fixes

>>378747641
war did get a bit better, yes
pld got a lot better from the videos so far from what i can see
drk, i have 0 idea about because i havent touched on it since i got it to 60

>>378747697
Throw a MP refill on something like Plenary Indulgence perhaps for the whole team but mainly for the WHM himself because a constant -15% GCD will rape them hard.

Anyone on Chaos feels like finally doing the normal Alex but just can't take the queue times anymore? Well worry no more!
If you have bonus I can let you ride with my tank queues, hit me up

>DRK and WHM were two secondary jobs I enjoyed playing, took to 60 and kept decently geared.
>DRK reduced to 123123123 2.X PLD meme rotation.
>WHM completely buttfucked.
Well, I guess those two are staying at level 60. At least PLD was so dumbed down before it seems to have actually GAINED in complexity in Stormblood.

>>378747943
Nah, Thin Air and constant use of Assize will fix that. Assize is an amazing MP heal.

>>378747943
That's what BRDs are for.

>>378747824
stupid as fuck
MCH at the bottom? are you disabled?

>>378748084
not him, but how would you rank the dps job popularity at SB launch

Lilies should just be the healer version of Greased Lightning desu

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>>378747462
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>378747824
>MCH that low
I'd also argue BRD is above DRG

>casters btfo

I'm ready for the melee meta

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>>378748027
>DRK was an EXPERT LEVEL job in Heavensward
>Stormblood DRK is a LEVELING LEVEL job while WAR and PLD are EXPERT LEVEL jobs

>>378748139
MCH has nearly 1200potency/sec whereas every other job is between 600-700.

MCH will be mandatory.

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>New PvP mode was initially aimed for 4.05, but it took too long to develop, so it's planned for release in 4.1 instead

Sasuga, Yoshida. I guess I'll be subbing longer than I expected.

>>378748254
post math.

>>378748145
True, but the biggest issue is that good WHM don't use cure or cure 2 very often. Regen, Medica 2, and Tetragramation are their moat common skills, with Assize and Asylum once they are ready, and constant DPS otherwise.

>>378748254
that's fine but i was more interested in how you would rank the jobs

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>PvP will be available from level 30 and as part of the free trial (ranked matches are not available to free trial players) Famitsu, 4gamer
>PvP will grant EXP for your class in PvE from level 30 all the way to 70
>Frontlines rules might be put on some sort of a rotation (perhaps weekly)

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>>378748084
MCHs are over represented in raids but have the lowest number of parses and is the least popular job among the casual population. BRDs vastly MCHs as the go to physical ranged damage dealer. It would also be silly to think that MCH will receive a surge in numbers with the release of TWO new dps classes. Both of which are more iconic than MCH. BRD is also getting an exciting new rework whereas the MCH heat rework is garnering a lukewarm reception.

>>378747928
imagine having a 650 potency nuke that you can spam, on top of 20% shield that gives you enough power to be able to spam that every 15s, without counting the other abilities that fill up your gauge and mana quickly

this is 4.0 drk

>>378748254
>1200 potency

sauce

>>378748372
Somehow PvP sounds more and more attractive now that PvE is ruined forever by the "combat revamp".

Someone explain this doomspike change to me

because i am REALLY fucking confused by this

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>>378747462

My YOOOOOOOOOOOOs are ready

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>Yoshi says that he will try to release a new job in a future patch (like NIN) if he finds a way to balance both tanks and healers (so he will have more time to work on the new job)
>despite the changes, every tank seems to be somewhat balanced now
>apparently WHM got fucked again
Welp, no new job for us. Or maybe just a new tank. Shogun tank pls

>>378748423
>iconic
buzzword

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>>378747824

>Massive NIN weeb exodus to SAM

I plan to pick up SAM too but I'm not dropping NIN. The Toad summon is way too fucking cool.

Who's the best XIV youtube person and why is it Imogen Heap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6n-Pjx0ATs

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>>378748481
Just according to keikaku.

>>378748429
It's only 650 potency in Grit, which is the same as its 520 potency out of Grit. You're also not going to have enough MP to buff it every single time you use it. And even with Blackest Night it's not nearly as spammable as Fell Cleave. Not saying it won't be strong though.

>>378748554
>playing the worst melee dps only for a frog

What do NINs mean when they talk about clipping mudra or whatever?

>>378747457
Isn't this the same artist doing the Mondaiji sequel?

>>378748489
Instead of pressing one button twice for 2x160 potency you'll now have to press two different buttons for 130+170 potency, just think of how complex and amazing this design is truly magnificent as expected of yoshi.

>>378748554
Can someone explain the frog shit to me? Why do they summon a frog?

>>378748481
If you thought oGCD whack-a-mole was somehow amazing then better of you just quit anyway.

>>378746956
Disliking what im seeing for tanks, so I wont bother touching them, they look too boring.

SCH and AST still arent interesting to me.
WHM looks unfun now.

RDM looks to be fun. (for once in my life im going to say:) though they could have used a DoT spell for their rotation. (usually hate them, but I think it would fit RDM well)

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>classes are finally cool
>paladin got saved from the "muh halone combo lets me pay attention to the fight so don't add any more WSes" cucks
>the shitty HW content killed my static and my will to play
Not like this

>>378748664

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiraiya

>>378748521
4.2 Dancer Tank

>>378748539
>buzzword
Buzzword

>>378748664
>google ninjas and frogs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiraiya

Where's the balance in this game?

>>378748664
didnt you ever watch naruto

>>378748927
No, I love myself.

>>378747218
not a single thing said here is true, what are you talking about?
>DRK lost quite a bit of its AoE dmg, and its single target dmg is barely any better, with a new attack that pretty much equates their lost DoT.
>Its not off GCD, and its not like IB, nor does WAR have that anymore. DRK only has salted earth, dark passenger, and CnS for oGCD attacks.
>They cant raise party dmg, just lower enemies magic dmg with a costly delirium.

>>378748923
AST can draw it with a 1/6 chance

what job should i level on a fresh character before i switch to red mage?

>>378748423
>whereas the MCH heat rework is garnering a lukewarm reception

its true its a shame all the media fags for US suck at MCH so we dont have any real solid info

>>378748923
inside astro deck

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>>378748923
here

What's left for you to do in game before expansion /v/?

Myself i'm trying to sell a lot of things on MB and finish the 50-60 quests for gatherer/crafters and hildibrand/scholastic.

>>378748972
>>DRK lost quite a bit of its AoE dmg
>using unleash as your primary aoe when abyssal drain exists

>>378748983
WHM for insta-queues

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>>378748923

>>378748972
Delirium doesn't reduce magic attack though

>>378748972
No one fucking spams unleased. Who gives a shit if it is only 50 damage now.
>>378749052
Exactly.

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>>378748739
>game's still oGCD whack-a-mole

>>378748623
Mudras can only be executed in between GCD abilities. If you use a mudra sign, then a different ability without invoking the ninjutsu, it immediately turns into a rabbit and wastes the ninjutsu CD. 99.999% of the time, if you're not hitting a GCD ability the moment it comes up, you're losing DPS.

It's not possible to invoke certain mudras while staying GCD locked because the time it takes to input the mudra combination then use the ninjutsu skill is greater than the global cooldown, so invoking the ninjutsu clips into your GCD.

This is why your latency to the FFXIV servers is so important. Some players can invoke two-step mudras in between GCDs while others can only invoke 1step mudras or else they clip into the GCD, which again, results in a DPS loss.

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>>378748976
>>378748987
>>378749024
>the balance
>is actually unbalanced

So I need 60 umbrites in a week without doing Gubal since I can't take that place anymore.
Guess I'll try ARF, maybe I've already recovered from my traumas

>>378748984
Don't lie they fucking suck at every job.

>>378748598
since there's no passive mp drain aynmore, you get enough mp for a da/blackest night every two combos, just like war with eye>path

also the combos without da and bloodripper already do more damage than warriors, without even counting ogcds

>>378749052
>Dark Passenger takes up twice the MP
>Dark passenger does less dmg by 10 potency
>unleash generates the least threat of all tanks, by being cut in half, so you may need to do another, before you use abyssal drain, otherwise, who is going to be hitting u for MP if u hant have hate yet?
>blood price can only be done in tank stance, also lowering your dmg, wont generate sh*t for threat out of tank stance using abyssal drain, since its so low in threat generation.

>>378748972
None of the shit you said is true either.
They haven't lost any AoE damage except in Unleash, which is not used for damage anyway except before unlocking Abyssal Drain.
Bloodspiller makes up for Scourge and then some, since when buffed it does more damage than Scourge and can be used more often than once every 30 seconds.
WAR still has Inner Beast, which has actually been buffed. Also, EVERY job's oGCD attacks have been curbed. And DRK also still has Plunge, in addition to Salted Earth, Dark Passenger and C&S.
>Delirium doesn't reduce enemy INT anymore, it extends the DRK's Blood Price/Blood Weapon.

>>378748984
reminder that mr happy mains mch and the fat fuck didn't even notice it, he just wrote down the wrong tooltip

>>378749117
unleash isnt the only nerf moron.
nor was there a claim about unleash.

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Anyone ever buy Gil? Thinking about it since I don't have all the time in the world to neet around crafting.

Happy Birthday to me...

>>378749304
Out of all the people who got to go to the place and play, his videos are the sloppiest of them all, no real effort put into it.

>>378749194
There is no passive MP drain, but there's also no longer any passive MP regen, so it equates to basically the same shit. You'll also need to reserve some MP for DA Carve and Spit and Dark Passenger.

>>378749279
>they did, even if u exclude the other things, dark passenger is technically a nerf either way. which isnt arguable.
>as for how often we can use it, its Mp cost wont really allow it for more than once every 30s after the 1st bit of MP is gone, but I didnt disagree with this improvement.
>as fro WAR, then I am mistaken, and I did forget about plunge.
>yeah, this I did forget for some reason. so I was wrong on this one too.

>>378749239
The way you type makes you look like a dumbfuck

>>378749316
Are you trying to say the whopping 10 potency nerf to DA Dark Passenger is somehow a significant reduction in AoE DPS?

Do you need to be reminded that they get Quietus too?

>>378749331
I've contemplate it, but I really don't want to risk getting my account since launch banned. I've got 7.7mil from not leveling any crafters or gatherers. Don't know how good that is.

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POST MAINS:

>ARR
>HW
>SB

Anyone autistic enough yet that people have made images of the supposed rotation of jobs in Stormblood?

>>378747824
>if I keep posting it it might become accurate!

>>378748489

All they did was add an extra button to press to achieve the same damage over time. Reduced Doom Spike to 130 Potency, and now there's Sonic Thrust, which is 170 Potency that combos off of it. So on average, it's literally nothing, and just amounts to reducing Dragoon's AOE damage output prior to unlocking Sonic Thrust and just getting back on par with how they used to be.

It is mysterious. On the bright side, Ring of Thorns is gone now and all Dragoons will be forced to get good and AOE properly.

Who am I kidding, that's not going to happen.

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>>378749604
this is enough to buy a house right?

>>378749424
the only reason I'm watching his shit since he beats up a dummy giving an idea of of the damage like holy fuck SMN shits out damage now and trance looks easier to manage

>>378749723
It makes DRG's AoE rotation more interesting than Doomspike spam until you run out of TP at least.

>AST at 37
>SCH at 52

Which do I keep on levelling?

>>378749890
AST is going to be fucking absurdly overpowered in stormblood, and it's the most fun healer too.

>>378749890
Be the nerd you've always wanted to be.

>>378749890
Whichever you want to man, SCH will still be useful even despite ASTs godlike buffs.

>>378749805
couldn't say, I've never bought a house. But that much gil moving to another account might set off some flags on your account.

>>378749690
>PLD
>BLM
>not playing this shit expansion

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>>378749805
I mean if you're gonna go all out you might as well just buy a big amount.


>>378749604
I wonder how they actually go about detecting the RMT or if they just ban all the people who spam the cities and then fluff the numbers in the reports.

>>378749575
*shrug* oh well, if I do, I do. (you're not wrong)
>>378749590
more so that a nerf happened, but I already stated the other factors I feel make its over all AoE DPS lower. (but if I need more, my WAR OT easily rips hate with decimate and overpower for AoE, leaving me with little MP from bloodprice if I use abyssal drain too much, so I need a few unleashes to make sure I keep threat, also our WAR used to use their CDs for fell cleave, so it was another reason I kept mobs on me for AoE situations.

as for quietus, i doubt it will be ready to use before some of the mobs have died already. most trash pulls is 1 unleash, and 2-3 abyssal drains, and even then my groups easily get some mobs killed from crits, or weaved in single targets.

At best, it will be usable every other pull, unless your other DPS suck.

>>378749890
AST, even though you'll be a Balance bot if they don't nerf it

>>378749890
I've always healed as SCH. I like their aesthetics more than AST and definitely WHM. Plus having a pet heal for you in low dungeons is siqq.

>>378750048
Blood Price gives 5 blood every time you get hit. That will easily let you build enough to use Quietus at least once.

>>378750114
unless I get a SCH healer, the fight will be half over by the time I can pop it to avoid stunned mobs.
But if the pull is big enough, I would agree.

Really depends on salted earth + blood price (and again, have to remain in tank stance)

Why the fuck are you guys sperging out so much over class changes when you're not as good as Japanese players that play on PS4 using controllers and have cleared every single raid content the minute it came out.

>people play healer only to dps
yoshi should have just disabled every dps spell from party content, nothing worse than autists sperging about their 2 baby dots doing damage

>>378750114
In big pulls this will be quietus every 5 seconds, and I am looking forward to it.

>>378750217
I play on a ds4

>>378749860

I won't argue that. Sonic Thrust is a cheaper TP cost over Doom Spike, besides, but that too ties into simple equalization of Damage VS TP investment due to the potency change on Doom Spike.

What I'm really curious about is Life of the Dragon's time-out explanation. The tooltip claims it "reverts to Blood of the Dragon" after timing out, so what duration does BoTD return at? Minimum, or whatever it was when Life of the Dragon activated?

I didn't really garner a lot of meaning from it.

I mean, in any case, by the time you actually activate Life of the Dragon, BoTD is almost certain to be off CD, regardless, and maintaining BoTD is easier than ever thanks to Lance Mastery allowing double gains on the timer per rotation.

>>378750194
Bruh if your AoE pulls last 10 fucking seconds then you really don't need to be worrying about AoE dps at all.

>>378749690
1.0 - MNK
2.0 - MNK and later NIN for Final Coil
3.0 - MNK
4.0 - MNK then i'll try NIN again or SAM.

for XI my main was usually between PUP, MNK, DNC, BLU and WHM.

>>378750114
I'm wondering about something.
Blood weapon gives you 3 blood everytime you deal damage with a physical attack.
Quietus being (I guess) DRK's only physical AoE, I wonder if it will give you 3 blood for each enemy hit.

>>378750035
>>378749604
>RMT and other illicit activities upset the balance of the game and, as such, are prohibited under the Terms of Service.

>Because we have confirmed the existence of players who are engaging in these illicit activities, we have taken the actions listed below.

>Time Period: May 25, 2017 to May 31, 2017

>・Participation in RMT/illicit activity
> ・Accounts receiving permanent ban: 27,927
> ・Accounts receiving temporary ban: 17
>・RMT Advertising
> ・Accounts receiving permanent ban: 166

Posted this morning.

So when people talk about WHM regen bombing, what exactly are they talking about?

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>>378747462
Reporting

>>378750313
I suspect BotD will return at its default starting duration. So 20s. Or is it 15s now? Don't remember.

>>378750248
>baby damage
>healers dps contributes to 10-20% of a boss's HP
:thinking:

>>378749331
I really want to, but it's too risky with SB around the corner. I could eat a ban after a progression patch, don't want to do it just before though.

I have a buddy who got to 57 and stopped playing, I thought about reactivating his account and buying it on there and just transferring it over later.

>>378749690
BLM
SMN
RDM

>>378750248

Or you could go play WoW

>>378749690
>PLD
>PLD(DRK)
>PLD
Heavensward was constant "okay I will try paladin for progression this ti-Oh fuck it I'm switching." I don't plan to level warrior so hopefully the same thing doesn't happen this time.

>>378749690
BRD
MCH
SAM

>ruin 1 actually just turns skill into ruin 4

Why wasn't this a thing with WAR in HW where it changes between inner beast/fell cleave depending on stance?

>>378750337
I suspect it'll just be 3 blood for the whole weaponskill. But even if it was per mob, you'd have to hit 17 mobs to be able to spam it endlessly. Otherwise you'd have to fill in with your single target rotation to get the necessary blood to use it again, and that will be a DPS loss compared to just spamming Abyssal Drain. Overall you're probably better off just using it in conjunction with Blood Price. Makes me wonder if DRK's AoE DPS will actually be higher in grit than outside.

>>378750570
yea man, fuck people who wants proper mechanics for healing

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>>378749690
NIN
NIN
PLD

>>378750361
These get posted like every week and yet the gil sellers are still around and there's people that continue to buy.

>>378750650
It will be in 4.0 at least.

>>378750327
You're not wrong, but I was going to argue that it was a loss, but then again, I shouldnt care or worry about it.

(even more so when Im playing DPS instead this expansion)

>>378749690
>ARR
War
>HW
NIN
>SB
SAM/RDM/BLM/SCH/WAR, might dip into PLD

>>378750650
Didn't have the tech yet, I assume. Although the Ninjutsu button always gets replaced with the appropriate action, so who fucking knows.

>>378750375
>Starry Eyes is just a worse Hissastsu: Shinten
Does Open Eyes do something or is this just another fine piece of Koji-Fox translation work?

>>378750857
Yeah, I really don't understand what Starry Eyes is meant for. I suspect it's not meant to have a Kenki cost.

>>378750313
It reverts to 15 seconds.

The real fucking problem is that activating BotD seems to give you 2 stacks of dragon eye, allowing you to get into red botd after 2 jumps, but reverting back leaves you at 0.

so what does Sam rotation look like?

>>378749890
both but finish one now I'd suggest AST since the gimmick is VERY similar in stormblood I prefer SCH but thats at the moment ideally though you want all 3 healers and change for the content

SCH for trials and low level dungeons
WHM for higher lvl dungeons and 24 mans
And AST for extreme and savage content and basically all other content too

>>378749690
BLM
BLM
BLM/RDM

I just love using magic spells

Am I understanding that SMN does not have an aethertrail attunement duration and is always up until you spend 3 aetherflow stacks then you can enter dreadwyrm trance, and during that trance you can't even use aetherflow?

If right this seems better as trying to time your aethertrail attunement not to fall off was a pain at time, similar to that of Greased Lightning.

>>378750440
>1-2 dots and 1 spammable spell
>10-20% dps
you should stop living in the past grandpa, make sure to post your 4.0 parses here to impress the playerbase

>>378750857
Also it's more damage/Kenki efficient to use Yaten > Enhanced Enbi > Gyoten than to use Shinten once.

100 on the backstep (-10 keni) + 300 on the ranged attacl (+10 kenki) + 100 on the charge (-10 kenki) = 500 potency for 10 kenki spent. Compared to Shinten's 300 potency for 25 Kenki. I guess it's just a matter of if the extra damage and kenki saved is worth being away from the target for 1 GCD.

>>378749690
>MNK
>MNK
> Don't play this shitty extension.

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>Make Reprisal no longer exclusive to DRK due to how overpowered and unbalanced it was
>Gives them a glorified Trick Attack with Sole Survivor instead

>>378750440
nice autistic discord child shibboleth

>>378750923
>>378750857
Starry Eye cost 15 Kenki.
25 was a typo.

>>378751213
Using Enbi is definitely not tp efficient.

>>378751213
yeah but TP and PPS per GCD is much worse.

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>>378749690

>PLD
>PLD
>PLD

Can you proc Thunder IV off of Thunder IV dots and just keep reapplying it to packs?

>>378751279
what did he mean by this?

>>378751005
juggle 3 buffs, generate sen, use ogcds if you have keniki

>>378749690
>WAR
>WAR
>SAM

>>378751258
I actually thought I was just shitposting all those times I said that WAR and DRK were going to be like MNK and DRG in HW but that actually seems to literally be true.

No reason to ever take a WAR now unless a fight is pure AoE or tanks are constantly getting CC'd.

I've only ever been a MNK, going to probably lvl SAM after going through the MQ as MNK. What else would you guys recommend I try playing? I wanted to try bard because of how stylish it looks, but I dont know how to feel about leveling up and learning a class just to have it all turned on its ear when the expansion comes out. Also wanted to try Nin, but if I'm going to go with a different class I'd rather not have a third melee DPS.

>>378749690
PLD
PLD
PLD

STAY THE COURSE.

>>378751198
>>378751279
Shouldn't you children be at school still?

what does meikyo shisui do? i don't understand it. combo action? does it mean you can use skills from the middle of combo and it counts as if you had used the prior parts of the combo?

>>378749690
SMN
DRK
DRK

>>378751626
yes

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>>378747079
What I really like about these threads is the amount of OC you autists make

really feels like old /v/ in here instead of nu-/v/ where every joke is recycled for years

>>378751292
Still, even at 15 Kenki, it's BARELY more efficient than Shinten. It would make more sense if it was free.

PLD was the only class that really needed a buff. Everything else should've really stayed the same.

Is anyone else turned off from playing RDM just because you know literally everybody else is going to be one

>>378751626
Yes, you get all the combo bonuses even if you haven't actually executed the preceding combo.

>>378751626
Yes, just like Monk's perfect balance, except it works on 3 weaponskills.

>>378751708
I agree, seems like just a filler spell on level 66 for sam to spend open eye status on, but even then, it would be better just to spend it on heal.

>>378751005

Meikyu Shisui > Shifu > Yukikaze > Jinpu as an opening or

Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha > Hakaze > Yukikaze > Hakaze > Jinpu > Gekko > Kaiten > Midare Setsugekka > Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha > Kaiten > Higanbana

>>378751735
I don't know. I think most jobs are gaining some additional complexity on top of having a lower skill floor with SB.

>>378751103
please respond

>>378751626
meikyo shisui lets you do 3 weaponskills in a row for 10 seconds without having to meet the combo requirements.

example: you can do shifu> jinpu > yukikaze to activate all of their effects without doing hikaze beforehand.

>>378747124
>DRG get better buffs in the MNK expansion than in the DRG expansion

I mean I'm not complaining

They need to add more jumps though. Or atleast lower the cooldowns on the ones we have. Or make them not lock us into fucking place.

>>378751626
The best probable way to use it will be going through your normal rotation to get the buffs and debuff up then using it on all the combo finishers to unlock the 3 sen skill. Or using it early to get the debuff and buffs up while cutting out the start of each skill at the start of the rotation then using it off CD to hit the finishers for huge burst.

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>>378747462

>Keniki

>>378749690
>Didn't Play
>SCH
>SCH but RDM seems fun

What will be the most powerful 8 man set up for synchronized cooldown burst damage? AST and SCH are obvious

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>m-muh meta

why is everyone suddenly a world 1st raider?

>>378751743
Don't let other people's actions or opinions affect something you want to do. If you like Red Mage, then just fucking play it. Bandwagonfags be damned.

>>378751919
Jump's animation seems to be faster at least.

But fuck if I'm not salty that SAM gets mobility combo but DRG doesn't.

>>378752003
It's like you dont want to clear. Also farm parties

>>378749690

BRD
BRD
like i'd fucking change now. scrubs will be leaving my class soon

>>378749690
>SCH
>WAR -> MCH
>SAM

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I bet they added the ve- prefix just to have veraise sound like reraise instead of just actually adding reraise

>>378752003
Because the general populace is too autistic to let any job that isn't the best in its category in their PF even though all jobs are viable for any content.

Remember WHM are best for solo healing when selling runs :^)

>>378752036
Decent players can clear and farm without meta without much problems. Only shitters need meta to compensate for their shitterhood since they can't clear and farm without meta.

>>378751685
>>378751764
>>378751783
>>378751796
>>378751908
thanks. the way it was worded confused me.

>>378752053

if anything your class is getting bombed harder mate, now that you actually can run and gun all the legolas fags are coming right for you.

>>378752017
They should make elusive jump power up the next jump performed like how power surge was

>>378751863
this is correct

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>DRK got damage boost + stoneskin
>PLD got the buffs it needed
>WAR got a gap closer that costs job mana

Lets all laugh at WARcucks finally getting put in the shed

>B-B-BUT MUH SIX FELL CLEEEEVES

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>>378747462
I wasn't going to since I thought they were going to be stationary melee turrets but after seeing they have a backstep attack and a gapcloser I'm all the way in baby

>>378751796
No Guren?

I'd say it's something more like this
1. Kasha combo for the haste buff
2. Gekko combo for the dmg buff
3. Hagakure to convert your two Sen into 40 Kenki, giving you 80 total.
4. Yukikaze combo for the slashing debuff. Follow up with Kaiten.
5. Higanbana Iaijutsu to apply buffed DoT
6. Follow up with Guren since you'll still have 60 Kenki
7. Meikyo Shisui into Kasha, Gekko, Yukikaze to get all 3 Sen
8. Follow up with Kaiten into Midare for buffed 720 attack.
9. Finish with Shinten to use up your leftover Kenki.

>>378752146
t. salty WHM

So is flamethrower a channeling skill for MCH? As in you hit the button and it shits out damage for the duration unless you move?

Game's never had channeling spells before I dunno why they'd add them now.

>>378752158

they're making the class with the lowest skill floor more complex. all the legolas types are gonna turn into ruroni kenshin anyway

>>378752114
I thought it was Val like the isle of Val

>>378752117
>viable
There is that word again.

A fucking Pugilist is "viable" for all content as that one autist in these threads has proved but that doesn't mean that there aren't strictly better alternatives. It's not about clearing, it's about finding reasons why you would prefer one job over another.

RDM will be shit unless they have a BL MP battery cockslut attached to them

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>>378749690
>BLM
>BLM
>BLM

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>>378746956

Will you experience the same levels of hype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2kVCzhAQXI

>>378752197
Delete this right now.

>>378752197
A-at the end of the day the tank with the most damage will get their spot! Youll see!

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>>378752323
I liked the Val prefix but koji fox the ultimate fucking shitlord of ruining localization changed it to "Ver" for some fucking unkown reason

>>378751103
on the flipside it means you can no longer use fester/painflare while in dreadwrym trance and if you finish a fight with 2 attunement stacks and one aetherflow you can't get more aetherflow until you activate and leave dreadwyrm stance.

>>378752197
So are we DRK/PLD or PLD/DRK era now? I could PLD in either.

>>378752316

it being more complex won't stop people seeing it as the dedicated archer class bud. I'm sorry but your hopes are false...

>ilvl 267 BRD
>Try A12S for the first time with pugs because no friends
>Someone always dies on the first puddles
>Can't get past the adds
>Get past the adds, but had to use LB2 on an add
>Second place on parse
What the fuck is going on.

I hope someone makes a compiled webm of skills that are going to be removed.

>>378752284
I assume Guren was more for an aoe fight and I forgot about the Hagakure

>>378748489
you do literally the same damage for slightly less tp

>>378752487
>800 potency
Nigga I'm gonna be using that shit at every opportunity.

>>378752458
It's impossible to pug S runs. Just find a decent static.

>>378752458
you are pugging a savage, what did you expect?

>>378752458
>do content when only shitters haven't cleared it
>surprised when you're grouped with shitters
rmyt

>>378749690
>DRG then SMN
>DRG then BRD
>BRD
I love this rework.

>>378752452

HOPE NEVER DIES

>>378752443
drk is the best ot now

>>378748598
Why the fuck do I have to activate grit to do that? that's like an extra 1.5k mp

fuck

what a stupid fucking idea

So which job for their respective roles are going to be fucking useless?
I only know that WHM is unplayable because I main healers.

>>378749690
BRD
BRD
BRD

ITS OUR TIME TO SHINE

>>378752642
try thinking
try using your brain
its the same effective damage both in and out of grit
you gain nothing by turning on grit just for that attack

>>378752642
the potency buff in Grit is just to make it do the same damage as outside of Grit, you don't need to be in Grit to use it and it wont do more damage in Grit either.

>>378752309
Passage of Arms is also channeled.

>>378752642
No you're not understanding. The skill isnt stronger in grit. Its just boosted in grit enough to make it the same as if you werent in grit. For all intensive porpoises, they should have just done what they do on WAR skills and said "This skills is not affected by Grit's damage loss."

Why is last boss of the dungeon a mix of cuchalana w/e and the small sharks from first boss of void ark?

>>378752304
t. someone who has waded through the sewage that is PF to do savage content

>farm party
>HIGH DEEEEPS MANDATORYYYY
>meta composition
>wiping on optical sight in a11s
>party disbands

>clear party
>AST is a lala wearing nothing but underwear
>WHM
>PLD mt
>semi drunk MCH
>no sweat clear

>>378749690
>MNK/NIN
>NIN
>SAM

O U T O F T H E S H E D

>>378752642
grit lowers your damage by 20% while darkside buffs it by 20%

don't give him a (You) so easily

>tfw you're finally interested in DPS jobs after two expansions
>Can't decide if I wanna toot toot for the party as BRD or study the blade as SAM

>>378752792
The description of the dungeon says it's a temple built by a bunch of Raen to escape civlization or something but at one point the Voidsent invaded it so the final boss is Cuchulainn's relatively sexier cousin who was probably responsible for the invasion.

>>378752656
>Healer
WHM
>Caster
SMN
>Melee
MNK
>Ranged
Maybe MCH hard to say due to how much has changed with them and BRD
>Tank
WAR

>>378752792
because reusing as many animation rigs and bits of models as possible saves square money so they can keep spending all of this games profits on other games that don't bring in a fraction of the revenue.

Someone post all the maps of the areas.

>>378752816
I've found (at least on /xivg/) that all the most elitist tryhard people who insist on perfect comps and never missing a drop of potency end up being the worst people not only to be around, but also they tend to cause the most wipes due to recklessness.

>>378752197
WAR is unstoppable one man army now
DRK is better paladin
And PLD is kinda exists, but still 0 damage

What's the purpose of Riddle of Fire making MNK go slow?
Balance reason?
"Really makes you think harder" before using the skill?

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>>378752908
Silly Raen. What else do you expect from a bunch of weebs. Luckily superior Xaela are still around.

>>378752656
I think WHM is the only job in this whole rework that actually got fucked. You can argue about DRK getting a simplified rotation (mostly focused on DA/BN priorities), or SMN's nerfs, or MNK's retarded proc requirements, or some of these "cuckshed" meme shit that people love to spam here, but WHM is the only job that lost most of their unique skills and got pretty much nothing in return.

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why do people play spellcucks?

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>>378752816
NOOOO THE VIABILITY OF A JOB IS ONLY BASED ON THE CONTENT THE 1% OF THE PLAYERBASE DOES
DOESN'T MATTER IF I ONLY DO EXPERT ONCE A DAY; IF TRYHARDS SAY SOMETHING IS BAD, IT'S ALSO BAD FOR SHEEPS LIKE ME.

>>378752958
Set-up and rigging are literally the most boring, time-consuming and costly part of making a new model so it makes sense that they're reusing as many rigs as possible.

I think Warlords of Draenor added one new rig in the entirety of its lifespan.

>>378750650
I actually still haven't heard shit about them doing this for warriors

>>378752792
Because three times the budget of HW means they need to recycle three times the number of models from previous games/content.

>>378753019

TP regen and dumping OGCDs. also makes AST's Arrow super good on you

>>378753019
It's for bursting, especially when all your oGCD are ready and you pop brotherhood too.

>>378753141
Because Yoshi doesn't want you to play as a cool monk who kills things by punching and reading Zhu Shi. Please look forward to your job sucking.

>>378752985
I've seen people throw 5 minute hissy fits over a death, blaming tanks, healers, whoever, wasting everybody's time until people have had it and start leaving. As I said, they need the meta comp to compensate for the dps they aren't capable of doing without various buffs. Boy, that group was fun as fuck, i'd take those people over fucking spergs anyday, even though the MCH was writing ''fuck me daddy'' in chat to one of the tanks.

>>378753151
All jobs are viable.

>>378753012

t. delusional WARcuck

>>378753271

budget went to voice acting

>>378753343
>implying i'm not gonna roll samurai

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>>378753141
It has the biggest explosions

>>378752635
Except that in addition to being the best OT it doesn't throw a shot fit or lose much effectiveness if it has to MT

>>378753012
Did you miss the thing yesterday?

I wanted new damage skills on mnk not the same almost rotation since 2.0 but now with more ogcd's

>>378752581
I pushed around 2.4k DPS on my first few runs.
Is that good enough to get into a decent static?

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The best part of 4.0 is watching delusional WARfags trying to convince everyone their job still has a chance of being in the meta.

>>378753404
That's a lie, unless every single MSQ is voiced like a lot of other mmo, then why even bother with VA.

>>378753484
too bad now there's even less than old rotation cause no fracture and ToD.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/stormblood/contents/#instanced_dungeons

Ala Mhigo is just going to be a dungeon isn't it?

>>378753012
drk has higher dps, has stronger fell cleave and shields the mt

what do you have, le 6 fellcleave every 2 minutes after losing path, internal release, bloodbath? have fun in the shed with whm, smn and mnk

>>378753492
Absolutely. The only problem is finding one. But there are usually people in idleshire looking. Just be picky, and if you can tell they don't have chemistry or competence, just leave them and find a new. Took me like 8 different statics untill I settled.

>>378752309
The Ast bubble is a channeled spell and it's been there since 3.0.

>>378753656
Probably, Xelphatohl was a disappointment.

>>378753656
I hope not.
I hope it will be the final zone ala Azys Lla with its own dungeon(s) ala ARF/Fractal.

What classes are going into the shed for certain?

>>378753656
Probably. Please look forward to liberating Ala Mhigo in a single instance in 4.1 and then spending the rest of your time jerking yourself off in weebland.

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>>378747740

>>378753656
>ship graveyard from ff5
n1 else here ready for our guy exdeath to be in omega?

>>378749331
The only people who get banned are the sellers and farming bots. Unless you start talking about it in-game, you'll be fine.

>tfw playing mch readying for SB
>gearing up using a mish mash of gear
>tfw when all this welfare gear is giving me tons of SS
>tfw east coast

MCH with a below 2.3 GCD is fucking wonky what gear should I shoot for to give damage with MCH

>>378753797
Whichever one produces the most prolific cuckolding maymays for your shitposting pleasure.

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>>378753656
>Ala Mhigo expansion

>>378753256
I know that but it still feels lame as hell seeing exactly how many assets were recycled in the preview material we've had. They could at least have the decency to hide it and show off the new stuff.

>>378753797
WHM and WAR for sure, regardless of what "muh 6 fell cleaves" will say.

>>378753835
I'm fully expecting Gilgamesh in Omega at least, as a boss or NPC in story but I don't think our guy Exdeath will appear.

>>378753656
First dungeon, then endgame area where Eorzeas' alliances have taken over.

>>378752957
>SMN
>Useless
Nice meme

>9 dungeons confirmed for Stormblood launch

>inner beast got a buff
>people still say WAR is going into the shed

>>378746956
Haven't been following, what makes people say MNk will go in the shed now? Did they reveal some massive nerfs? During the liveletter everyone was screaming how OP they would get with their chakra generation.
t. MCH, just curious

Am I the only person who just tunes out anyone who defends these WHM changes? They write up page long posts with "Hear me out WHM is actually in a goo-" and I just move on.

>>378754042
post source

Just started playing a month ago and my friend told me not to pick pally and instead pick warrior. Did I make a good choice?

>>378754070
it plays like shit and the buffs don't make it auto included in raid comps

mch seems really gimmicky and hypercharge is back to 5% increase

>>378754070
I don't know if I would put them in the shed, but I don't think they have much utility still.

I would still take one in a static.

>>378754102
I don't get the WHM butthurt people are throwing around, why are people angry at WHM now?

>>378754049
>Still pretending you understand the meta
>Thinking theres more weight for OT in personal DPS than in utility

Most people who recite meta like a book dont even understand why they do it.

>>378754042
More than Heavensward had, but the same shitty hallways with boring trash mobs regardless.

>>378752957
>caster: SMN
If they really want to SMNs can now use two Deathflares and two super deathflares within 30 seconds

>>378754124
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/stormblood/contents/#instanced_dungeons

>>378754174

- Several of their innate abilities were pilfered for cross-role skills. You'll need to use your cross-role slots to get them back, and you won't be able to take everything you used to have (You can pick 5 out of Cleric Stance, Protect, Esuna, Divine Seal, Shroud of Saints, Swiftcast, Surecast, and Eye for an Eye)
- Their new gauge mechanic is 100% RNG based with a low proc chance when using Cure I or Cure II, abilities which good WHMs don't use very often.
- Increasing the Lily gauge doesn't buff you, it just reduces the cooldown of your next Assize/Asylum/Tetragrammaton by a pitiful 4/10/20% depending on number of Lillies (doing this also spends the Lillies).
- The new abilities are pitifully weak. Stoneskin is gone and replaced by "Divine Benison", which is a single-target 15% health shield, but consumes all your lillies upon use.
- Plenary Indulgence is just another AoE heal skill, whose healing is also reliant on low-chance RNG procs when you use Cure/Cure II on party members.
- So despite being a "pure healer" their healing isn't actually any better than AST/SCH.
- They have ZERO party DPS utility, unlike AST with their cards, and SCH which just got a stronger version of Battle Litany on a shorter CD.
- Thin Air is the only good new skill they got besides Stone IV. Makes all spells cost 0 MP for 12 seconds. 120s cooldown. Will mainly just be used for nuking with Holy in combination with Presence of Mind.

>>378753958
My predictions are Omega in o4, Gilgamesh in o8, and Shinryu in o12.

I don't think they'll include Exdeath, it's one thing to reference locations and bosses in other games, it'd be another to just straight up put the main villain of another game in there. Then again they did put Xande in Crystal Tower so who knows.

>>378754049
PLDcucks thought that WAR nerf will be HUGE but actually it was minor. So they put themselves into a big delusion

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>WAR getting fucking raped by PLD/DRK buffs

Oh holy shit I am SO fucking smug right now

How long have these faggots being going WAR MASTER RACE XD SWITCH JOBS FAGGOT AHAHA

Justice is sweet, is it not?

>>378754251
man
I hope they scale to level 70

Can someone explain to me how WAR is cucked now?

Within the span of me going to bed and waking up they've apparently dropped from alright tank to worst tank post SB. Did i miss something?

>>378754282
all I'm hearing from this is "WAAAH WE HAVE NO UTILITY".

WHM is a healbot get over it

>>378754357
>scale to level 70
*rehashed as level 70 expert dungeons

>>378754398
Sole Survivor gives(maybe) 10% damage buff to everyone hitting the target.

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>>378749690
>WHM
>WHM
> WHM

I'm afraid of change

>>378754398
Wtf, be a part of circlejerk, dont ask stupid questions! xdd

>>378754049
If DRK gets the 10% damage taken buff it will 100% replace WAR as OT. It all depends on how much damage WAR does as MT now if it's less than PLD it's useless.

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hey whm I'll trade you my eye for an eye for your divine seal and shroud of saints. Don't worry it's a fair trade eye for an eye is really good.

>>378754449
A healbot that isn't even as good at healing as the "utility" healers.

>SMN ended up being alright in the end
30% more pet damage is actually massive.

>>378754592
Maim and Mend already gives that.

>>378754592
It always had that, maim and mend always applied to pets.

>>378754482
that works as well
having them only as low level instances and forgotten is shitty

>>378754449
But their healing is worse than the other healers, that's the thing.

>>378754654
>>378754661
It didn't. It's the new adjustment to compensate for Sustain and Spur.

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>>378752386
Based on how great HW was compared to ARR, I have high hopes that SB can continue the trend.
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To be honest, I was more hyped for HW (because of the story circumstances leading up to it) than I am for SB, but we'll see.

I liked the darker theme of HW too, but again, we'll see what they can do with SB.

>>378749331
I did for a while but it was through some fag I knew on /xivg/ which was more trustworthy than the usual auction sites. We did our business completely outside of the game and I never got a ban or even a warning of any sort.
Really if you wanna indulge in it, find a living person to speak with that you can trust. Don't go putting your CC info in some shady bullshit site.

>>378754449
>Make a healbot
>Make the other healer be better at it too

>>378754771

Same, I just hope it's not too asian, not all of us are weebs.

>>378754524
Enjoy being vote kicked or not getting into any raids.

>>378754449
>AST has additional 15% healing output of both diurnal and nocturnal
>Cure 1 potency: 450
>Benefic with 15% bonus: 460
Healbots, amirite? :)