"...Allow me to enlighten you. That trivial righteousness

>>378729650
Will I still enjoy the story of P5 even with knowing this?

>>378729687
Yes.

>>378729687
Yes. He's not even the real twist anyways

>>378729650
We had pancakes after you left that day. They were delicious

I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this...

But I really enjoyed the characters of P4 more than P5. But the gameplay of P5 was much better. So they both have pros and cons.

>>378730824
That's because P4 characters already have the sense of "completion" while P5 there's so much potential for develop for characters like Haru and Goro, thus it felt "incomplete".

>>378729687
Yes. It's HEAVILY foreshadowed very early in the game. The actual twist is that your characters are fully aware that he's the traitor the entire time, and are setting up a massive counterplay against him throughout the entire game. Now that IS a spoiler.

>>378730824
i agree with you.

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>>378729687
Go fucking play it already. What are you doing?

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>>378729650

>>378730916
>>378731220

I feel like the character development was so much better in Persona 4 but at the same time the graphics and gameplay were kinda hit & miss. Definitely good for it's time tho.

On the other hand Persona 5 took too long to build up and the I felt lost. The characters weren't as well written as P4. They just didn't have that substance to them. Not weak by any means but the storyline could have been a bit more quick to pick up. Tales about a good 3 hours before you see real action. Otherwise it's an amazing game don't get me wrong I'm not shitting on the franchise I'm just making a personal observation.

>>378732908
>The characters weren't as well written as P4
>P4
>well written

>>378729650
*sheaths katana*
*tips fedora*
*teleports behind u*
*SUMMONS A STEED FROM A NIGHTMARE and calmly rides away*

>>378733089
COME! LOOOOOKIIIEEEAAAGHHH

>>378729687
it was obvious at the start

>rape face
check
>guns
check
>gods plaything
check
>cool evil persona
check
>murderer
check
>uses magical world to kill
check

he's adachi, and adachi is the killer

>>378735158
All of those things are only known after he's formally outed as the killer though.

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How is he so best?

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>replaying Persona 4
>going through Naoto's s-link
>the 'thief' who 'stole her stuff' and gave her a calling card signed as "the phantom thief"
>she has a sort of change of heart after
Was it time travel?
Did Naoto secretly have a palace? The metaverse would still be up at that point.

>>378732908
>I feel like the character development was so much better in Persona 4
>The characters weren't as well written as P4
Are you retarded?

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>>378732968
the poor sap actually thinks the XD generic hotsprings episode was actually good

>>378735158
it was obvious he was a traitor but the scene still was a surprise. nobody expected him to literally kill you, I wish /v/ could be more subtle

>>378729687
See this coming a mile away

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>>378729650
Get smoked. Your dad never loved you anyway.

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>>378736318
>when akechi "died" he didn't actually die, his mary sue jester+justice powers sent him back in time where he would eventually live a life as an honorable detective and raise his granddaughter Naoto

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Why is Futaba so best girl?

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>>378736627
FUCK YOU

Akechi literally did nothing wrong.

The Phantom Thieves are huge assholes who brainwash people they don't like.

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>>378737102
And murdering tons of people because he wants his dad to love him is somehow better?

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>>378737102

GIDF pls

>>378737165

At least he didn't erase their entire existence, at least they got to die as the same people they were before.

What the PT were doing was worse than murder.

>>378736649
desu I could see Atlus doing something like this in Persona 5 crimson, like have some kind of extra noir style dungeon which lets him go back in time.
Killing off Akechi off screen is just really lame considering he was the big 'twist' villain of the game, and he seems a bit redeemed right before he dies. And it's not as if the writing in Persona is above time travel tier anyway.

Why didn't he just shoot shido's shadow?

>>378729687
yes if you like visual novels

>tfw I thought Mishima was the killer
sorry bro

>>378737270
>they got to die as the same people they were before
Well, no, they don't. Okumura is the proof of that.
Killing the shadow does the same thing that stealing the treasure does and changes their heart. It's just that it also kills them.

Same reason why the Principle was heading to the police station to confess his crimes the day he died.

>>378737350

Because he was a retard that wanted Shido to say sorry

>>378737394
Nah. Mishima is thousand better as the Black Mask anyway than Akechi. And Akechi should stay as dorky detective.

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>>378736747
You want futaba huh? Have some real and realistic futaba

>Clear Futaba's dungeon early
>she's sleeping for a full month
Jesus

>>378737418
>Okumura is the proof of that

They still stole his treasure.

>Same reason why the Principle was heading to the police station to confess his crimes the day he died

0 proof killing him had anything to do with that.

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>>378737394

Not until the fps spinoff

>>378732908
>Tales about a good 3 hours before you see real action.
>implying P4 wasn't wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer before shit got real

>>378729687
the Igor you talk to isn't the real igor and is the actual villain. Justine and Caroline are actually one being, Lavenza, split into two.

Demiurge is the real villains name.

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>>378737475
Whoops wrong image

>>378736747
Because she essentially gets two S-Links worth of development and has an adorable, tomboyish, cheeky personality once she gets over her distrust of strangers.

The banter she injected into the group was such a welcome breath of fresh air.

>marketing avoids showing goro to join part of your team
>he's fairly hidden in the menu as well
>but he's on the FUCKING LAUNCH SCREEN that shows up any time you boot the game
fuck that, I had to look away every time I launched the game to avoid knowing who my teammates would be

>>378737601
my favorite was when they retroactively censored goro's face in the dlc promos

>>378737425

I don't think he wanted him to say sorry, I think he wanted to shame him by taking him down at his highest moment.

>>378737350
Because he wanted to wait until he got what he wanted and became prime minister, and THEN betray him.

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>>378737580
Whoops wrong again

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>>378737394
>Mishima doing anything useful

>>378737485
Well it's implied that she's not constantly asleep. She probably just gets food placed outside her door and makes trips to the bathroom occasionally but otherwise just mopes in bed to recover.
But she was definitely being a dick just being lazy about the promise for 3 weeks

Is saying P4>P5 guaranteed (You)s?

>>378737596
>The banter she injected into the group was such a welcome breath of fresh air.

My fucking god this. Before she joined it was either just Ryuji being a clueless hothead or Makoto being stern and nofun.

Futaba joining created some great teasing of Ryuji and Yusuke

>>378737485
That happens to all the victims of a heart change though.

Yusuke reported that Madarame was bedbound for most of the time.

>>378737394
Yeah, his speech at the end really got to me. The part he was yelling My name is not important- what is important is what I'm going to do. I just fucking hate this world, and the

>>378737710
anything P5 do, P4 did it before besides dungeons
so its justified

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>>378737570
simply epin senpai

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>>378729650
>completely distorted views to the point where he's a complete psychopath
>somehow has a persona aND not a palace

>>378729687
This was never the real spoiler as his betrayal was made extremely obvious.
You are told at the beginning that someone betrayed you and Akechi was literally the only option from the lineup.
The real spoiler is how your team saw the betrayal coming and getting captured was all part of your master plan.

>>378737894
It's possible that Persona user can lose their power thus reverting back their Persona into Shadow and creating the Palace

>>378737394
I thought in my head "no way it's Akechi that would be way too obvious, plus they just had a police guy be the killer last time" and that "it's gotta be Mishima because look how twisted he starts getting about using the phantom thieves with the site in his social link".
But of course he just needed a change of heart himself and it actually was Akechi.

I hope they get some balls next time around and make the killer be a long time party member with a seemingly normal social link / confidant. When it's revealed and they drop off your team, give you back their armor/accessory + a full refund on their equipped weapons so you don't get fucked over if they were one of your mains.

>>378737596
All she does is spout memes and talk like an autist

>>378738035
Time for you to make like a tree and leave

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>>378737653

It's still retarded though.

>Cause Shido to have a mental shutdown after he gets elected and the PT are gone
>Shido becomes a martyr and everyone loves him even more

>Cause Shido to have a psychotic breakdown
>Shido's lads that know about the Metaverse get scared and wreck Goro's shit irl and the public ignores it anyway and still loves Shido thanks to Yaldy

Unless getting BTFO was part of his plan, he makes Junpei look like a genius in comparison.

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>>378738035
She truly is /ourgal/

>>378729687
Yes. Goro being the traitor isn't even a spoiler.

>>378738035
Shuddup, Inari!

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Hopefully the spinoff DLC will show him with a new costume

>>378738129
DIRTY SMELLY NEET PUSSY

>>378738271
I'm pretty sure Yusuke doesn't even know the meaning of words like "autist" and "meme".
He probably can only use google and wiki.

>>378737824
>guns
>holy / dark damage rather than just insta kills
>not having a pathetic number of elements (nuke and psy were badly needed because of the one more system being so OP)
>demon negotiations
>models/animations
>Japanese voices with subs, and also high quality jap voices at that
>better locations
>very high quality UI which gives quick access to stuff like your personas, their movesets, weaknesses etc without having to flip through so much crap
>efficient map system for social days, along with fast traveling to more specific locations
>well designed dungeons that aren't just rng. Mementos is basically a Persona 4 dungeon and it's a pain in the dick to go through
>a calendar system that actually gives you good information about when your deadlines are
>more mature cast that relies less on random humor (though admittedly is less entertaining at times)
>Morgana > Teddy without a doubt
>With the exception of Adachi being way better than Akechi, and Shido being a bit boring, the antagonists were a lot better and more entertaining
>better thought out save system and checkpoint system in dungeons
>actual REWARDS and incentive for doing non party confidant/social links besides the reward for being maxed out
>etc
Just off the top of my head
I don't know how anyone can say Persona 4/Golden was the better game with a straight face. The only thing 5 lacks compared to 4 are a good twist to live up to Adachi, deeper social links / confidants that teach you something new about the characters, and a better written story. Also some of the bosses in 5 can be pretty easy (needed more on Shido / Akechi level of difficulty), but a big part of that comes down to how they fucked up the velvet room with training, strengthening, and a very easy to get level 10 strength confidant which just throws the entire balance out of whack. Along with Persona 5 dungeons and bosses assuming you didn't grind, while Persona 4 bosses assume you did.

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Blablabla

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Why does Joker look so much like Harry Potter?

>>378739754
Black hair and glasses.

What confidants should I focus on when I only have eleven days to steal Kamoshida's heart?
Also I don't see why they give you so many days to do it, I've only been there once since the time limit showed up and I've already gotten to the chapel.

>>378740026
IIRC at that point you can only do Ryuji and Sojiro, and Ann with Kindness 2. I'd do Ryuji because it improves him in combat.

Also remember that having a persona of the confidant's arcana makes their affinity grow faster.

Update on Elizabeth's quest when?

>>378738468
I just want to main Loki

>>378730005
P A N K E K S
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K
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>>378729650

I hope he stays dead

>>378731220
Is it ever foreshadowed that the team knows it? Because when I saw that flashback in that school room, I don't remember Morgana and MC discussing that something was off with Akechi.

>>378742259
If it is I totally missed it

>>378742259
Joker conveniently forgot about those scenes.

>>378729650
>REEEEEE WHY IS ATTIC TRASH HAPPIER THAN ME!?

>>378742339
For how long did they know that something was off with Akechi? Did they know all the way back from when he heard Morgana in the studio? Or did Morgana mention it the first time at the school festival?

>>378737894
Having a persona protects you from having a palace. You can become a fucking asshole after getting your persona. It was never shown in 5 you lose your persona by being a psychopath.

>>378742527
Pancakes

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>>378742086
WRONG AGAIN ATTIC TRASH!

>>378742527
They put two and two together when he pretended to act surprised at hearing Morgana. It directly contradicted his actions at the studio.

>>378742976
>>378742892
I don't remember exactly when that happened, but it was definitely during the first half of the game. So the characters knew all along that he was hiding something from them?

>>378737475
Futaba had black hair in some of her concept designs too.

>>378737801
Falling asleep for a fucking month is a bit much though, the child abuse charges against Sojiro might've actually gone somewhere if stuff like that was common for her to do.

>>378742086
Goro actually legitimately dying offscreen would be the most surprising twist in the entire game.

>>378743169
No. They saw the fact that Akechi reacted to Morgana, thought it was weird but just dismissed it or put it to the back of their minds since it wasnt relevent. The information only became suspicious when Akechi pretended to hear Morgana for the first time in the school and then blackmailed them into cooperating, which made them investigate him further and find out he was going to betray them.

This isnt rocket science anon

DUDE PANCAKES LMAO

>>378743169
Yeah. At the TV station Mona was the only one who mentioned pancakes which means Akechi understood him and had been to the metaverse before that point.

>>378743257
Alright I forgot that he pretended to hear him for the first time at the school festival, I get it now.

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P4 has the better villain

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>>378734358

>>378742259
There's a little effect after the scenes like a distortion then it skips forward during normal gameplay because joker is forgetting it from the drug side effects.

>>378742259
Yeah it's heavily foreshadowed, the game skips scenes at around the time he joins the party and has a blur effect block out what characters say. It wouldn't be so obvious if they had more of those scenes scattered throughout the game instead of just starting to do them when he joins.

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Where the fuck was the Kirijo group and the Nanjo Group during all of Persona 5? They know all about this stuff and even sent Mitsuru to Inaba to investigate the TV world. They have super androids that kill demons even outside the Metaverse, how come they didn't notice that Mementos was enslaving mankind?

>>378746839
something something demiurge

>>378737346
>he was the big 'twist' villain of the game
He really, REALLY wasn't, my dude.
How goes your rehabilitation?

>>378746839
Pretty sure Nanjo is mentioned. As for where they are chances are they did notice the christmas eve incident but didnt arrive in Shiibuya in time. I mean the world merges around lunchtime and its all over by sunset.

>>378737570
Will I enjoy P5 knowing this?

>>378737475
why are you doing this, again.

>>378737570
He's never actually called the demiurge though.

Fighting all the archangels on the way to the final boss, though, I was hoping it would be YHWH.

>>378747929
>tyrannical lawfag god with the archangels on his side
>you use Satanael to kick his ass
Its the Demiurge with a new coat of paint.

>>378729650
>video quality dips from 480p to 240p after he shoots you in the head
Why are the animated cutscenes so awful in this game.

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>>378747991
Yaldabaoth is also one of the Demiurge's names in gnosticism.

He looks pretty badass in any case.

>>378738272
See now Yusuke is asking the right questions

>>378747776
It's a twist but not a breaking one.

>>378738914
I thought P4 was boring as shit, the only SMT game i didn't bother to max the compendium.

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>>378748117
P2 best

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>>378743415

>>378748192
Yeah which P2? EP sucked in comparison to IS.

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>>378748427
EP didn't suck anon. It was just harder. Also Maya best

>>378748765
But they beat Maya with the protag stick in EP. She was better in IS.

>>378742707
If anything, having a persona and not a palace would mean he was in touch with his inner psycho.

It's moot anyway because he was given the wild card ability and thus never had to make peace with himself. MC is what happens when the wild card user has issues but can keep them under control until they are resolved.

>>378748878
>inner psycho
I don't understand how he became a unhinged vengeful psycho in the first place. Sure, being an unwanted bastard son is bad in Japan, but in the reality it will just make you a depressed loner. Unless he was relentlessly bullied and tortured until he turned insane.

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>>378737894
A person can have a Palace and a Persona. Just look at Futaba.

Futaba got her Persona the same way the P4 people did i.e. confronting their shadow head on and accepting it. Maybe Goro did the same. Maybe he accepted that his true self was a completely twisted utter cunt.

>>378738272
They might slip off her chest but she doesnt lack curves in the hips department.

Futaba's hips are wide as fuck for her frame.

>>378751620
>A person can have a Palace and a Persona.
No. Once she got her Persona, the Palace collapsed and dissappeared.

>>378742527
Joker and Morgana had their suspicions since Pancakegate.

These suspicions were heightened greatly after he ambushes the PTs during the school festival. As a result Joker and Morgana comissioned Futaba to snoop on Akechi which yielded solid evidence that he was a wrongcock.

>>378751751
Yes but it shows that the same person who is distorted enough to create a Palace and still manifest a Persona under certain conditions.

>>378752028
>Joker and Morgana had their suspicions since Pancakegate.
They didn't suspect shit or they would have connected the dots between someone following them in the Metaverse and Groo being able to understand Morgana.

I got to the pancake scene in my second pkaythrough. The only thing the characters do is have a "?" appear above their heads for like 1 second, then immediately start talking about something else entirely when Goro leaves. It could easily be dismissed as one of countless other slice of life scenes in this 90 hour game.
Pretty shitty foreshadowing, honestly. Someone playing through for the first time is very likely to miss it.

>>378751751
It's probably the persona that causes him to not have a palace. If he accepted his true self to get his persona then his desires wouldn't be distorted because his true self is a vindictive shit head

>>378751751
>the Palace collapsed and dissappeared.
After beating the sphinx.
She was the treasure and once she decied to leave, the palace colapsed.

>>378752563
They clearly did have some suspicions as they wouldnt have both immediately have said "There is some bullshit going on here" after their meeting with Goro during the school festival.

You can find someone suspicous and still interact with them, anon.

>Adachi
>I killed people because the world is shit"

>Akechi
"LOOK AT ME DADDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"

>>378752762
Sure, but that's because of his general attitude toward the PT on TV. If they were suspicious because of pancakes then then they truly acted like retards every time a Shadow mentioned some black figure stalking them in the Metaverse.

>>378753472
Again, you can be suspicious of someone and still have no evidence or proof to validate that suspicion.

>>378746839
FIND OUT IN PERSONA 5 ARENA

>>378738914
P5 was a better game in many ways but the characters and world of P4 were much more likeable, memorable, and so on, and those are the things that make the series what it is, because it helps you feel part of the world in some way while you play. The personalities, interactions with each other and the little community they had in Inaba was much more memorable, charming, while the characters of P5 felt distant, much like the Tokyo setting (even though it was amazing in its own way). Because of these things, P5's story and how it developed had no impact and the ending felt like nothing happened. I'm sure no one, even the most cynical, finished P4 and just said 'so what'.

>>378746839
>Where the fuck was the Kirijo group and the Nanjo Group during all of Persona 5?
B-BUT PERSONA 1 DONT EXISTS

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>>378729650
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PANCAKE BOY!

https://twitter.com/p_kouhou/status/870294018629918722

>>378753602
>Again
That's the first time you posted that.
>you can be suspicious of someone and still have no evidence or proof to validate that suspicion.
In this case they had proof of Akechi entering the Metaverse and having head Morgana talk there. I admit that it's entirely possible that they didn't realize it at that point and just thought something was off, BUT them ignoring every red flag that "someone is following them in the Metaverse" and only then realizing Goro's involvement after 4 months is a bit of a stretch.

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>>378753096