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Dark Souls II is the worst game in the series

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i-its n-not 1:1 to das1 ;____;

Dark Souls II is the worst game in the series

>>378717043
>in which anon, unable to actually defend his shitty game, tries to pretend like all criticisms are invalid just because

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>>378716902
>Dark Souls 2 thread
No thanks.

>>378716962
>>378717047
>>378717130
>>378717131
>the state of nu/v/
simply pathetic

>Bonfire Ascetic
>Small White Soapstone
>Power Stance
>Agility

Dark Souls 2 did a lot of good things that didn't carry over into BB and DaS3.

>>378717369
Agility is an absurdly shitty idea they had to compensate for with generous levelups because you had to pump an extra strat to make your rolls resemble something from a souls game. All it serves is to make the early game frustrating.

>>378717536
or you know just time your rolls or get better spacing

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>>378716902
anyone want to pvp me right now? sl 145 SM 1.4mil african american crypt sword user

>>378717675
You're talking to DS1 and DS3 fags, they can't play without having 16+ frames of invincibility. (DaS1 DWGR) or low stamina cost rolling so you can roll 12 times in a row at full stamina (DaS3) They don't don how to adapt so of course they don't like adaptability as a stat.

>>378717369
Power stancing always seemed boring. It's pretty much just a more powerful version of 2 handing that requires higher stats and double the upgrades. Not to mention most of the animations for it look utterly moronic. DS3 at least gave you much faster attacking for 2 handing, which makes a lot more sense and is more interesting than just moar damage.

Also they shouldn't have let you do it with any weapon you please. 2 longswords is fine but 2 greatswords looks idiotic and damages the classic souls theme that your character isnt superhuman.

ds2 is difficult and simply has a higher skill floor than the rest of the ds series, thus /v/ hates it because its not super fast bb with all 12 of its trench coats, sailor hats and naruto speed!

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>>378717985
>I hate diversity of styles
>I hate freedom of choice
>I hate unique builds and unusual looks

kys

>>378717985
>classic souls theme that your character isn't super human
wow, DaS fags are utterly delusional

also having access to full movesets in the offhand was way better than powerstance and das3's garbage dual wields

>>378716902
Darks Souls 2 made me grind for a dumb item that tied my strength stat to my bare fists. Therefor no matter what anyone says it will always be my favorite of the series.

Also I thought the small soapstone was a great idea. I thought it made sense to use that when you were mid-area and needed to refresh your estus with short jaunt cooping.

fuck you and fuck this thread, there's nothing about this game to talk about.

>>378716902
Why is this shit show of a sequel so much better than DS3? Like I thought DS2 was the lowest of the low, but DS3 went even lower

>bad tasted shitnigger wnats a DaS2 thread
>gets shit on
>spergs out
Ig you lurked moar you'd know DaS2 is only liked to troll people

No one actually enjoys. No one who isn't retarded at least.

>>378718680
back to /pol/ faggot

>>378718680
you're the only sperg here
go suck your eceleb cock more. i'm sure you've never even played the game

>>378718680
>No one actually enjoys

I enjoyed the abundant environments and huge amounts of weapon and armour selection.

never post again

umbasa

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I know for a fucking fact the real reason you faggots hate this game is because of the Mannequin Mask change.

I like Dark Souls 2

>>378719089
Me too, I like them all

What's the most broken build you can get in this game? My sorcery character ended up devolving into a crystal magic weapon rapier character, and I've never felt more broken in a souls game. I can't imagine anything more ridiculous, killed Elana whilst she was still mouthing off at me

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This image is the absolute truth about DaS2. Anybody saying anything to the contrary is just a shitposter.

>>378719148
Same, dark souls 2 is in my top 5 of souls games

>>378719181
Rapier robflynn leo for enemies weak to thrust
Made robflynn stone for enemies weak to blunt

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>>378717985
>2 greatswords looks idiotic and damages the classic souls theme that your character isnt superhuman.

Umm...

Also, are we going to forget about the mace/axe in DS1 being so limited in its moveset?

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>tfw I've maxed out every stat but faith, intelligence and attunement
>mfw somebody uses great magic barrier in arena

>>378717985
>Classic souls theme that your character isn't superhuman
You know you kill the equivalent of Gods on a regular basis, right?
Like you kill the embodiment of death in ds1

>>378719205
this desu
I appreciate that the game took risks at the end of the game. They genuinely tried to build on the souls formula instead of copying successful ideas like ds3 did

>>378720220
*At the end of the day

I literally just finished playing through Scholar. After playing this game for the first time in over a year, I'm struck by how much I love the beginning phases.You get access to tons of weapons, items, armor, and environments within the first few hours of the game. That rush of possibility in the beginning made me question why I didn't remember liking it more.

But then as I continued, it became apparent what soured the experience. The enemy and encounter designs and how they interface with the environment is just so unimaginative and predictable. A lot of areas have potential for interesting play, but they're bloated with repetitive design. The idea that encounter design consists generally of unremarkable mobs of enemies has merit. Too many areas are just too large as well. And so many bosses just plain suck.

This is a game that could be edited in half and would be DRAMATICALLY improved. The online and QoL mechanics are the best in the series, however. Shit like bonfire ascetics being absent in DaS3 is kind of baffling. And the quantity of viable builds is pretty impressive.

>>378721060
howd your find raime (fume knight)?

>>378718680
What degree of autism must you operate on to be this delusional.

Miyazaki fanboys manage to embarrass themselves even more with every thread.

>>378721619
He wasn't as bad as I remembered. Took me only two tries. Still fun, though. Alonne was better.

I don't think I died to any boss more than once, actually. Granted I was in full Havel with a tower shield and rapier for most of the game.

>>378717291
>only neo-/v/ disliked DaS2
Revisionist history at its finest

>>378722134
fags like you aren't even on the level of neo-/v/, hence why you're nu/v/

>>378722257
If you seriously think only newfags disliked 2 you obviously haven't been here for long

>>378721060
>The enemy and encounter designs and how they interface with the environment is just so unimaginative and predictable
Is there anything in particular that makes you say that?

>>378722712
I can't think of very many enemy encounters that take advantage of an enemy's moveset and interfaces it with the environment in creative ways that emphasize that enemy's strengths. Stuff like cramped quarters or disadvantageous elevation or surprise traps. Lots of areas are just lots of guys that you fight in relatively open areas with little mechanical relevance. The thematic focus on men and anthropomorphic enemies doesn't help much with the blandness, either.

>>378723243
I think they could have done a lot better job with the enemy variety, there doesn't seem to be a lot of otherworldy or weird enemies in the game, and while dudes in armour are the bread and butter of the series, and done fairly well in DS2, there really needed to be more outlandish enemies. I would have loved to have at least seen more uniquely designed lads in armour if they had interesting weapons, like the guys with pairs of giant shields in the undead crypt.

I don't follow you so much when it comes to encounter design, I thought the way encounters were set up was usually handled pretty well, requiring you to strategise how you took on your enemies and use the environment as best you can, especially with areas like the Shaded Woods or Shrine of Amana. Some of them felt a little underdeveloped like Dragon's Aerie where it's pretty much just encounters lined up after each other

i absolutely hate the boring easy pve, but love the pvp. i get constant invasions PC SOTFS and duels with a variety of builds, i can punish heals, no infinite rolls, and no 3v1 ganks everytime i invade. feels good

>>378716962
Correct, but it's still fun.

>>378724674
I can think of lots of areas that are just series of encounters on unremarkable landscapes. Heide Tower, Pharros cave, the depths, aldia's house, eleum loyce.

Honestly I think the strongest areas in the game are some of the very first. Drangleic, Bastille, the Wharf, and the copse are probably my favorites.

>>378716902
I didn't mind DaS2 when it first came out, but, looking back on it now, Aesthetically at the least, it just feels 'off', it looks like the models are made of clay with odd lighting on them.

Saulden is unironically the best Crestfallen NPC, though.

May you find peace on your journey.

>>378717369
>Not even L3 jump settings carried over to BB

It's like the two teams don't talk to each other.

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>>378716902
Dark Souls II is fucking alright

>>378725225
That's a perfectly reasonable position

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>>378720220
Not so fast friend

>>378725364
I think it's just the consequence of the game being so big that it's really a quantity over quantity issue so it has become bloated with some sub-par areas, and plenty of sub-par bosses.

Also, how can you dislike Heide's Tower? The bosses are probably the worst in the game, but I just love the atmosphere it has, in the ruins of some ancient nearly forgotten civilisation being swept into the sea. I can forgive the simple enemy encounters for being so early in the game, but I like how open it is and how you can see each of the giant enemies from so far away and pull them if you want. Also, I liked Pharros Cave, but I can't really think of why on reflection, maybe I just like caves a bunch.

Aldia's mansion was really disappointing, I was expecting some weird rundown manor filled with warped abominations to fight, instead it was a corridor with enemies we've all seen before and that's about it.

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>>378716902
this format of posting is fucking annoying

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>>378716902
i love this game

>>378726016
Heide Tower looks cool, but it's too open for my tastes and not particularly interesting in level geometry. There is basically no element of verticality or surprise. EVERYTHING is immediately visible and flat.

>>378726425
Don't you just love how the first hit didn't even connect?

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>>378726425
I miss the No Way and Pump Up emotes

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>>378718680
you're the only sperg i see here polfag. get off my board

post DS2 characters. this is happy merchant.

>>378726791
It was just a muh air blast, we've gone through this before anon. Totally intended and not a shit game

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i've been playing DS2 with a friend and having a pretty good time. soul memory is hardly an issue with the named ring and i haven't encountered a mass of invincible invading trainer fags like i did playing through DS1.

some of the DS2 levels are a little unimaginative and the ending is pretty anticlimactic but the gameplay is fun. the 60 frames makes a huge difference in fluidity too. not sure why it gets so much hater other than this being /v/.

also why is lucatiel so cute?

>>378727039
anime was a mistake, pic related

>>378727412
Lucatiel is awful, you should feel bad

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>>378727521
>no one will miss me, heh heh...
i just want to protect her fragile smile.

>>378727789
>her hat in DS3 has her name
So the Bearer of the Curse did actually remember

Dark Souls serieas has become garbage. I realized this after beating Dark Souls 3.

Yes, I played them all. Bought all copies around their release date.

No, I'm not casul. I win 80% of all invasions.

How people, that have have been a fan of the series for a while still play this, is a mystery to me.

Grow up and play a real game.

>>378729323
>i got burned out on a franchise i used to enjoy and play religiously
>franchise sucks
k

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the sole fact that you don't have to hunt for embers the entire fucking game makes Dark Souls 2 superior

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>>378717369
The only one of these I even liked was SWS.

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Do Dark Souls 1 and 2 still have an active playerbase? I might like to get back into them, but it would feel quite lonely if there's nobody else playing them.

>>378716902
Dark Souls 2 is a half-broken shitpile with a lot of build variety that's masked by uninteresting bosses, uninteresting areas, gank bosses, and shit enemy placement/spam. Fuck Dark Souls 2.

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>>378731216
>uninteresting bosses, uninteresting areas, gank bosses, and shit enemy placement/spam.

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>>378716962
Only if you are a casual shiiter faggot.

>>378716902
>b-but m-muh pvp!!!!!!!
dks1 > dks2 on pvp always
inb4 kiddies crying that they got chained by a havelmom

>>378731263
Solid rebuttal, fag

>>378726791
>talking shit on DS2 for phantom range
Cmon asshat, this is a problem in literally every single one.

>>378731560
What else is there to say, you make a false claim and someone calls you out on it.

>>378726425
>>378726791
>>378727085
Airblasts are fun.
https://youtu.be/32sXQHINkAw

>>378717742
>1.4 mil
I am keeping my SM at 120k/40k with the agape ring so i can grief newbs.

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>>378719745
>mfw somebody uses great magic barrier in arena
>i use a poison build

>>378731976
>2 Smelters
>4 Dragonriders
>3-person gank boss
>Throne Defender & Watcher
Must I go on? Fuck, if I must...
>The run to Blue Smelter
>All of CotSK
>All of CotIK

The claim's not false, retard.

>>378732738
t.shitter

cry moar bitchboi

>>378732738
>Sinh
>bad

Fuck off

>>378716902
>Dark Souls 2 thread

I don't think it works like that, bub.

>>378733030
It's okay to have shit taste, deary.

>>378733403
Sinh's alright. I actually like Sinh a lot. Everything before him looks cool but has some shitty and annoying enemy spam.

this thread is further proof, as if any more were needed, that only shitters, giantdad babbies and ninja flip roll spammers hated DaS2 because it was too difficult

acquire proficiency and ADP, noobs.

Magic is so overpowered in this it's the reason they made it shit in ds3 because of legit complains.
Buffs are very strong and casting very quick, while rolling costly and movement in general slow.
I like how rolling wasnt the invincibility button like it is in ds3 but in combination with the above the balance is broken.

>>378733750
I see a lot of idiots on both sides of the argument desu.

why is the bell tower the best pvp area of any souls game?

>>378732738
>Any of main ivory king
>Bad at all
Its like irithyl done right instead of a straight foward corridor. It also has some of the coolest items in the game.
Plus ivory king is the coolest boss in the series.
The coop part is shitty though.

>>378718137
its not difficult in the slightest lmao
Every boss is a pushover, only the levels are difficult. Fume Knight is only `hard' since he has million HP and never staggers, making the fight a boring poke-fest.

Why does ds2 threads are such warzones? Cant people who didnt like the game just dont go into the thread of a game they dont like?

>>378733815
I'm playing with a sorcerer right now, I rarely roll anymore after I've discovered that it's pointless. Enemies will still connect with you if are rolling and it consumes way too much stamina. It's easier to learn their patterns and locations and run around/under them to dodge. Very few bosses actually require you to roll.

>>378734048
This can be said about pretty much every boss in the series. The few considered "hard" are so because they never stagger and never stop attacking. Everything else is "stand behind it slashing its ass" tier.

>>378734010
Besides the pvp, what was the point of those bells?

>>378734164
>Enemies will still connect with you
Just learn the i-frames. Its during the start of the roll, you are vulnerable during the end of it.

>>378734110
no, they have to tell everyone how much they don't like DaS2 because they are insecure

>>378716962
Eh, I enjoyed it over 3, I also get more coop fun out of dsk2 as well

>>>/vg/

>>378734302
I have a low IQ and I have trouble following fast moving things to that extent. My PS3's locked FPS doesn't help either. It's easier to just either stay far away from trouble with a sorcerer or tank/block with melee.

>>378734018
I alwasy struggle like shit on both the solo and duo kings pets, I can never dodge the damn claws properly

Infusions and buffs are broken. Str/dex builds are a joke in comparison

I have a lot of problems with DS2 but it's still an enjoyable game in its current state. Release was a fucking shitfest, though. Probably my biggest problem with it is how incredibly low the production values are - animations are stilted and amateurish, the graffix are generally bad, UI elements are kind of ugly though menus are significantly more usable than either DS1 or 3 in general, the music is barely apparent, things like that.

Really wish the GOOD design decisions, for however many there were, were actually carried over to DS3 though.

>>378733815
Magic is nowhere near as OP as DaS1's until you get Soul Geyser and the Wisdom Staff and those are all pretty damn lategame. There are more bosses that are resistant to it, you have less time to hammer bosses when they whiff(or they were a joke without sorcery), and you need like 5 different goddamn stats while the game really pushes you to pump Int early.

At least it's not DaS3's shit sorcery that never becomes good, though. Sure, it technically outranges pyromancy, but that means jack and fucking shit in Everything Rushes You Down Souls and isn't worth losing in cast times, damage per cast, utility, and needed stats to get your damage up to par.

>>378734018
I actually meant Iron King. Forgot about Ivory...

Fuck Elysium, tho Ivory King is a beast

>>378735068
>magic isn't as OP in DS2 as in DS1
anon do you even realise what you just said

>>378725642
Where the hell is this eagle from?

>>378719745
>sprint in the arena
>pretend i'm an int/faith or some shit by casting strong magic weapon while he waves or tips his fedora
>he interrupts the gesture and casts gmb
>1 r1 600 damage
>he triple panic rolls backwards
>dies while backpedaling

str disguised as a magic build are the best

>>378735217
Sure. Compared to 1, too many of the core pieces that really make Sorcery take off in 2 are locked behind late game or annoying NG+ bosses. It's playable, but if it wasn't for how fucking insanely OP they got with Soul Geyser and Staff of Wisdom I wouldn't consider them worth it.

>>378735068
>Soul Geyser
>how to spot a pirate

it has been nerfed into the ground shortly after release, it's only OP without the newer regulations
also
magic witchtree branch+10>staff of slowcast

>>378735950
Unless you mean it was nerfed by SotFS, no, it was still extremely broken when I used it on a legit copy.

Witchtree Branch is also pointless when the Lion's mage set exists.

>>378736173
lion's mage looks like shit, not to mention its shit defenses
the equipments in DaS2 look great, why would you sacrifice that for what, 40 cast speed?

but i meant both vanilla and sotfs. It's true that it still packs a punch, but it's just much more attunement, damage and cast# friendly to use crystal magic spears instead

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>>378719678
>berenike knights get horizontal swings
>player doesn't
As someone that loves using blunt weapons, that was one of my bigger grievances with the game

>>378717291

>muh nu/v/

Literally nobody liked it when it came out, and you pretend to like it now that DaS3 is the latest release.

You'll be one of those cancerous assfaggots that will love DaS3 when the next FromSoft game comes out.

It always happened, happened with DaS, DaS2 and DaS3.

>>378736578
Soul Geyser does like over twice the damage a single CSS does PLUS it has great synergy with the Hexer's Hood's extra cast for each spell slot.

>>378717369
I don't really like ds2 very much but I thought bonfire ascetics were a fucking great addition. Sometimes you don't want to play the whole game again just to replay one boss

>>378718750
Back to /africa/ porchmonkey

>>378736578
>why would you sacrifice that for what, 40 cast speed?
Because that gets multiplied by 55% by the Skeleton Lords' NG+ ring. I can take or leave the cast speed by endgame, but in early and midgame? Fuck that, I'm not being stuck in place casting GHSA/Soul Spear any longer than I absolutely have to because it's a pain in the ass to get Vitality when you have 5 other stats competing.

>>378734439
honestly it's way harder to walk around and outposition enemies in II because they didn't want DS1's problem of "walk in circles around every enemy: become invincible"

if you're able to do that instead of i-framing through everything I find that pretty impressive

How do you guys level up in souls at the start? Do you prioritize health & stamina or just power?

DS2 was pretty fun, but also felt kinda janky and not thought out very well. And goofy shit like Heide's Tower background being one building copypasted a thousand times. It kinda felt like a game made by someone who had DS1 explained to them, but didnt play it themselves. Dat 60 fps though.

>>378737804
In DaS2 it really depends on how you want to play.
There are so many builds that my head hurts.

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>>378716962
>b-b-b-but muh p-pvp!!!!
>kats and rapiers still meta

>>378733815
Magic isn't that great vs good or even decent players because most spells are way too easy to dodge. I have an agape character with 2 adp I dodge everything with ease.
>>378735068
Soul geyser is garbage now.

>>378739468
the only good spells are homing crystal soul mass and crystal soul spear, the latter you have to mix up with homing soul arrows

>>378717675
or you know it was an obvious mistake they didn't include in later games. good thing they weren't as retarded as you

>>378738163
I fell for the pvp meme.
>arena is full of overleveled players
>never gonna get a match with a sl150 or someone even close to your level range
>if you do the same thing and level up to a decent sl, the sl150 players that still play will break your gear if you start beating them
>iron keep is consitently dead
Honestly fuck PC gaming

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>>378726425

>>378733750
Seriously though, has anyone ever complained that 2 was too difficult? I've never seen it

>>378735531
>Where the hell is this eagle from?

I think it's the thing the Pursuer rides to get the drop on you in the first area.

as for my thought on DaS2, weakest game in the series with the worst DLC. Also, SotFS did not entice me to go back to the game.

>>378719205
Fucking brainlets when will they learn?

>>378736668
There's also the thing that lots of people are starting with SotFS instead of vanilla, and thus see it as a much better game

>>378716902
>there are people that think dks2 and dks3 are good games
Series should have honestly just died after DaS, but now bloodborne is gonna suffer the same fate

>>378737804
I don't upgrade health all that much these days. Feels like a bit of a waste, at least in the beginning.

I mostly prioritise [ATK Stat] and Stamina/Equip. Load first and then go from there

>>378740395
as someone who started with Vanilla and saw footage of SotFS, not really impressed with the "fixes"

and my biggest issue was still in SotFS

>>378737228
I seriously wish since DeS, but mostly on DaS that they added some sort of boss rush mode or a way to challenge again any boss you wanted at any given time, even if you didn't get the boss reward and just the souls

Sometimes it's just a really fun fight that you want to repeat

>>378740573
What is it?

>>378740734
>What is it?

ADP still being a thing meaning that I would have to waste a lot of stats in it just to get back to good i-frames when rolling.

So glad 3 got rid of it.

>>378734196
Have you played any of the other games? Could you be more wrong?

>>378730889
>you don't have to hunt for embers
So what the fuck are human effigies and humanity?

>>378716902
Am playing soccer of the fist sin, since it's on sale (ps4). The only complaint I have so far is a certain lag, when you try to run while stamina is refilling, and when you press parry. Other than that I had no trouble so far and it feels more polished than DaS1 and DeS.
I didn't encounter most of /v/s complaints like hitboxes so far.

>>378740859
Humanity is a non-issue because of how ridiculously easy it is to farm, though

>>378740786
Yeah, ADP was a pretty poor addition. It adds nothing other than being another stat to pump points into. It has no value whatsoever, nor betters the game by it's existence

For all the good things they did do, they added two very big offenders. That and Soul Memory

>>378740917
You can't run for a certain time when you run out of stamina completely.

>>378740786
Dark Souls has always had a useless attribute, it's just than in 2 they decided to make the worthless stat the most important in the game.

>>378741293
>nor betters the game by it's existence

makes shit less annoying because it makes rolls useful and makes powerstancing usable because power stancing = no shield = forced rolls

>>378740664
>5 games and no boss rush mode
Boggles the mind how they didn't include it at any point.

>>378741386
Resistance itself wasn't bad on paper, get double the defence gains on level up (although it should have been triple)

It's just that in the game itself your defence value amounts to very little in reality

What useless stat did DeS have?

>>378719205
Let's get one thing straight, all Souls games are fantastic. None below 8.5/10. It's just some Souls games are better than others.

>Santier's spear
>Holy Water urns
>Havel's shield
>Magic
>Binocular glitch
>All nerfed

Does anyone else think every Souls game is more fun before they get "balance" patches?

>>378741506
>implying Throne duo>Nashandra>Aldia isn't a boss rush

>>378735136
>Iron King
Literally Not-Satan is your idea of the coolest boss in the series?

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>replaying SOTFS
>get to gangrape keep
Amazing how well a massive swarm of sanic speed knights and sniper archers can make you loathe a game this much

>>378741724
I said boss rush mode, not one particular instance, of which I never experienced because I platinumed and dropped this game long before Aldia was a boss.

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>>378741839
>playing SOTFS

>>378741839
What is your build fucboi?
I oneshot them two at time with my bigass demon hammer.

>>378741685
There's still a fuckload of glitches in SOTFS my man, because they stopped patching it.
But none of them will ever be as good as binoboosting, that shit was ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IMaJY0GOI&t=2s

>>378741546
Luck. Unless you're having a particularly bad time chasing the elusive pure bladestone then there's never a reason to actually level it. The plague resistance it gives is negligible because the buildup is so fast and you'd need at least 50 to have decent resistance to it anyway. Plus it only occurs in one area and the cures are easy to come by.

>>378741839
Yeah being horrible at killing enemies must suck especially when they die in 3 hits.

Literally impossible, go summom 3 dudes.

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>>378742009
I fell for the definitive version meme

>>378741465
Yes, but that is because of how they nerfed the rolls due to the inclusion of ADP. I understand they wanted to differentiate builds more, but I feel that wasn't the proper way to.

I think that modifying rolls is something that is done better in blocks than gradually. Helps make things easy to see at a moment's notice. Helps making that roll feel reliable. That and making a stat you pretty much have to increase, because pretty much everyone rolls, doesn't sound like fun. Especially when it's so important to, what imo, were the most fun playstyles (two handing/dual wielding)

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>>378742168
>run past 20 enemies
>surprised they followed you

>>378742151
Yes its not that having to kill the same 50 dudes every time that gets old im only bad XDD

>>378742168
protip

get a bow and pick them off one at a time. abuse the ever living fuck out of their aggro ranges and git gud

did it on my first playthrough powerstancing rapiers in the company of champions

>>378742254
Why do you need to kill them every time?
Just get to the next area without dying.
And you can speedrun past them if you're not shit.

>>378742276
Oh im past them now. Its only a massive chore since you have to get all of them or else they follow you at sanic speed

>>378742143
It is made useful by the Blueblood Sword, however

Would it have been a better stat if it had a critical chance (this having a crit system in the game)/increased critical damage? Or is damage better left consistent in these games?

>>378742386
Luck is a bothersome skill to include in vidya unless you're able to pull off half the stuff a max luck D&D character can get away with.

>>378742329
stop trying to make excuses for lazy game design holy fucking shit just admit that ds2 is awful

>>378742556
I know maxed luck + Jinxed is fun as shit in Fallout 1

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I say
Give this place another 2 shitty sequels and ds2 will be the new favorite game. It is mine already.

Is retainers short dildo the most op shit inthis game?

>>378741546
Luck was for the most part a dump stat. It's only worth investing in if you want to get one end game weapon (the blue blood sword).

>>378726382
would you rather >this is x, say something nice about her
thats the worst kind

>>378742213
Never knew that was a thing. How do you trigger the bridge falling?

>>378743672
IIRC, it was tied to the number of Dragon eggs you broke along the level
I never got it to happen, however

can someone post the updated ds2 weapon tier list

Adaptability would have been good if it actually made you roll faster rather than just giving more iframes.

>>378716962
You mean three

>>378747629
They could have made it so you roll faster or cover more distance. Instead they went with the most boring solution possible

I really only think the level design is bad. Otherwise it's fun. Still playing through the DLC now.

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The Emerald Herald was my favorite hubgirl.
I never played Demon's Souls

>>378749873
Yeah level design, half of the bosses and also animations. The rest is ok.

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>playing SotFS, beat 90% of it
>"This isn't so bad! In fact i like it more than i remember at launch!"
>start the iron king dlc
Dropped. Whoever designed this DLC honestly needs to be taken out of game design in general and shot.

>>378716902
Its too hard for most people unless they use the casual mode stat.

Muh pvp doesnt like SM or no ORB

It looks "worse" than das1

it plays "worse" than das1

Its the only souls game to use an engine that isnt utter shit and runs at a great framerate because they removed lighting and lowered polycounts in the levels.

>>378750580
The enemies are meh but i like that its actually vertical, especially once you turn the tower back on

>>378750682
So 60 fps isn't enough for you? What is it for you, a counter-strike or something?

>>378750741
None of vanilla or SotFS or the first DLC made me as pissed off and fed up as Iron King. Its just bad and lazy.

Is it worth it if i just skip it outright and play the last DLC.

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> scrolling through catalogue
> see these side by side

kek

>>378750849
You wont get the real ending without all 3 crowns.

I genuinely hated the place going in first time as well because they lead you into the worst fucking battles. Its worth falling down ledges and getting one guy at a time as much as possible, its not fun.
Also explosive enemies are great as mines against stronger enemies like the molten golem dudes.

The 3rd DLC is much better though, just sucks they all use the same knight enemy for all 3. The rest are different but the main enemy is similar across the board.

And dont bother with the "challenge" routes unless you either summon or are OCD for items and soloing bosses like I am.

>>378750779
If your monitor supports it why not?

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>replay SotFS
>can't beat sir alonne
i dont know what's wrong with me, he's so fundamentally different from everything else in the game. Fume Knight was easier than him

>>378716962
this

>>378725486
This. Circle tap jump is retarded as fuck, and it's objectvely inferior since you can't roll while running.

>>378751390
He really is, he feels like he belongs in a different game.

All I can say is good luck and get fast

>>378751390
Roll away from him, not towards him

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>>378752336
>roll away from the enemy
>in a souls game

WHAT SORCERY IS THIS

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>>378716962
Only on /v/, thanks to Matthemathosis.

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>>378736605
>enemies get the good moveset
>players get the shit moveset
describes a lot of weapons in the series really

>>378752782
I know, but it actually works. His attacks, where he attacks super fast towards you from a distance, will not cover enough ground and will instead attack where you were at the start of the roll

>>378752336
>>378753041
if i do this, the mastodon halberd will have the reach to punish it, yes?

>>378719205
This is true.

>>378753216
Can't say for sure. Just take it slow and try to see where the openings are

>>378719205
>people still falling for the From meme

They make really fun really good games but mechanically are mediocre at best. Whoever is lead programmer needs to be fired as well.

>>378716962
Why post in a thread about a game you've never played?

>>378752336
I always roll towards him np.
Love the boss btw

>>378753632
Yep, Alonne's pretty cool. The highlight of the DLC for me

He gave me some trouble (much more than Raime, which was slow and easy to dodge but took forever to kill and one-shot me) because of how fast he was compared to everything else in the game, but I found that rolling away made it way easier. Although you should be able to roll towards just fine as well, sure

>>378740917
Scholar of the first sin fixed 90% of the hitboxes but of course none of these assholes know, they refuse to play the game.

>>378754217
Well of course, couldnt shitpost as easy then.

Also was finally playing BB at my friends and holy shit the enemy tracking is still just as bad.

Its almost as if all of Froms games are bad at being an actual game but have great stuff in them you need to struggle for.

Like literally every one of their RPGs is like that

>>378753041
That attack always makes me think he's wearing Heely's lmao

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>>378753571
>it actually worked
thanks anon

>>378752782
Gun with gunded sword.

>>378754827
I'm glad I could help
Keep it up

>>378752926
People were criticising it here before some youtube geekasaurus made a video in which he said he also does not like it.

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Can my GT 720m run Scholar of the first sin?

>>378754803
I'm not sure I follow, what do you mean?

>>378754217
>they refuse to play the game.
I doubt that the game is so different from the original as to convince all the people who didn't like it at launch to pick it up.

>>378742213
kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Bearu ofo za curso bakaaaaaa

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Is Fume Knight impossible to do without dodging, greatshields only?

>>378755862
That attack you were describing where it's optimal to roll away, he slides across the floor closing into you last position with no friction at all, and I can never get the image out of my head that he has tiny little wheels in his shoes like Heely's™

>>378755913
>I doubt that the game is so different from the original

Heh, guess we'll never find out huh?

>>378742609
Not an argument.
The area is carefully designed to punish lazy players and mess up speedrunners but it's still easily doable.
Fucking lazy R1 spammers like you need to eat a bag of dicks.

>>378750849
Just summon 3 bulls and play like the cuck that you are.

>>378756141
I'm pretty sure someone beat him without rolling or blocking.

>>378756320
>They fixed the basic game features, just buy it again lmao
I don't have a PS4/XBONE or a PC that can run it anyway, so I guess I really will never know.

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>>378756320
My only experience with Scholar is when a friend was asking for tips while I was over at his house. He's quite bad (although I'll attribute a large part of this to the fact he's playing on keyboard and that he didn't know what AGL did) but to his credit won't give up. Ended up beating Scorpioness Najka for him after not having touched the game in 3 years and only personally playing on PS3.
The most noticeable change in the time I played was all the extra enemies littered amongst the still poorly designed levels.

>>378756229
Okay, now I get you. Yeah, I'm seeing it now. Damn Heely's

>>378755590
>he thinks gunded swords could stand a chance against sworded guns

The question is how good does a gun swing or a sword aim?

>>378755590
Alas, sworded gun would simply be able to fire off pinpoint accurate rounds during swings, whereas gunded sword could not.

I only played DaS I and III. Should I give II a try as well if I'm only looking for a non-multiplayer experience?

>>378757998
You will be disappointed

>>378752926
Didn't mathewmatosis say that the game was still good?

DaS2 had plenty of bad shit but all souls games do, and 3 is particularly bad because of the bloodborne meme combat which killed magic
I don't regret buying DaS2 twice, but I do regret buying DaS3

>>378761658
if by "killed magic" you mean "made it so you arent just pelting a boss out of range" then yeah

>>378757998
there's maybe 4 bosses that are worth it and that's being generous. Solid title but doesn't hold up to the other games.

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>>378716962
>He fell for the II is bad meme

>>378761908
No I mean "roll and never get hit by any spell ever"

>>378761908
He should've said "killed miracles" because they're all useless.

>>378762147
>pvp

>>378716962
>Dark Souls II is the worst game in the series
You mean the best,right?

>>378762147
The only reason you get hit by magic in any souls game is because of lag, I'm glad they got rid of that shit

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>Playing sotfs
>Make it to Heide Tower or whatever after beating the first boss
>It's a linear meat grinder of big armored knights
>Just decide to run past all of them into the fog
>The preceding boss fight against Dragonrider was easily the most pathetic boss in the Souls franchise
Who the fuck designed this garbage?
Shouldn't the actual boss fight be the hardest part?
Not the other way around?

>>378762653
Vanilla das2 bosses are a joke

>>378762653
But what if there were TWO Dragonriders?

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I just can't get myself to think positively about Dark Souls 2

I'm still just so terribly assblasted that they apparently cut out the entire dark areas where you have to use a torch thing in the last week of development, it just fucking hurts me so much
They probably had a good reason but I just can't handle it

Also trying to sell the same game twice is just such a nigger move

>>378725225
this
it's a pretty shitty Souls game but it's still a Souls game

>>378762904
It would be even easier to drop them on the water

>>378726791
yeah, phantom range only happens in 2

>>378762653
>shouldnt the boss fight be the actual hard part
Why does it have to be? I'm not defending dragon rider, but in DeS sometimes the level was incredibly difficult and tedious, had no shortcuts, but would sort of reward you with an easy boss fight.

>>378763197
I never saw the das3 guy on the grave

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>>378750352
>I never played Demon's Souls
that explains your lack of taste

>>378719008
That's actually the reason why i hate namco bandai.
I still like the in-game mask, not as good as the original though

>>378716962
>best variety of everything
>best online
>worst in the series somehow
inb4 but muh gwafix
inb4 but muh bugged hitboxes thats in literally every souls game

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>>378763031
>tfw it doesn't even have anything to do with graphics because they did all this in Dark Souls 1
>tfw the whole beginning of DS2 is centered around telling you not to use a fucking shield
>BUT STILL some fucking nigger thought it would be too much of a hassle to have the player hold a thing in their left hand
>tfw seeing all the torches and shit you can still light, but they do absolutely nothing

I know you are supposed to judge games by what is there, not by what could have been, but jesus this just ain't right