Murder is objectively worse than rape and yet we have so many

>>378706519
>Mom walks in

Because "muh women"

You can get away with violence in PG but not heavy sexual themes.

Torture is worst than murder and rape is form of torture so you are incorrect.

not really

I would have to live with that for the rest of my life

Murder is something you might do in a justifiable context, rape isn't

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>>378706763
Men can be raped too

Maybe not a lot of people find rape to be as fun gameplay wise than murder?

Killing someone can be justified in some form like in self-defense.

There's no general justification for rape other than being fucked up.

>>378706919saice please
>>378706919

>>378706846
>Torture is worse than murder
Only if you murder me at the end of it. Please, torture me rather than murder me.

>>378706519
murdering/killing can be fun to watch/commit

I'd like to argue rape isn't but we're on 4chan so jej

>>378706886
By it's definition murder is unjustified.

>>378706846
>Torture
>Women enjoy rape in most cases

Rape is more like torture, mental scarring, domination and stuff, which can be worse than murder depending of the severity. Tortured characters begging you to kill them is an actual trope

You don't see extreme torture being an option in games besides a few edgy ones. And when it is, you almost never get to see it

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>>378707182
>Guy breaks into my house to kill me and my family
>Don't kill him that's wrong

>>378707106

If you are torture are person properly, they should be begging for death.

You sound like you have a hard time understanding real pain.

>>378706950
best, most objectively thinking answer

>>378706519
also I take it you havent heard of the slave trainer general over on /aco/?

>>378707186
I'm sure getting my prostate stimulated would have some enjoyable element, but it wouldn't prevent me from fighting back.

>>378707259
Of course it is.
Then you're just as bad as he is.

>>378706519
Because people find pointing a gun and shooting others more fun and less awkward than doing the same thing with a dick. Murderous rampages are much more manly and entertaining than the sexual fantasies of some deviant basement dweller.

>>378706961
>>378706961
Well the thing is, it's not really murder if there's that "self-defence" or whatever reasoning as murder is killing someone with malicious intent with premeditation.

>>378707098
https://exhentai.org/g/836483/8ef404247e/
I don't know how many times I came to this.

>>378707106
>torture me rather than murder me.

t. Man who was never tortured

>>378707259
>Self defense falls under murder
Nope.

>>378707006
I would argue this is more /r9k/incel territory. /pol/ gets up in arms over niggers and other assorted subhumans raping and pillaging.

>>378707259
That wouldn't be murder, it'd be justified self defense. The definition of murder is an unlawful killing, so things like the actions of soldiers and executioners don't fall under it.

>>378707340
No, you're not. You didn't choose to break into a house, and they knew the risks involved. By that logic, he committed suicide. You are blameless.

>>378706519
There are actually very few games where you can murder someone. Killing someone is not murder if it's in self-defence or part of a military operation.

>>378707293
You sound like someone that underestimates how truly terrifying the likely possibility of oblivion is.

>>378707579
You clearly can't grasp how extreme pain and trauma can break a mind and make death seem a relief.

>>378707547
GTA 5 is like the fourth best selling game ever made isn't it?

>>378707683
If my mind is broken to such an extent, I'd consider myself already dead. Given that choice, I would rather be tortured and live another few days before dying in this manner.

Because rape is boring as shit from a storytelling perspective.

I mean, literally the only point to have rape is as a shocking "WOW LOOK AT HOW BAD THIS BAD GUY IS!" Which can be done in the same way in a dozen better, more entertaining, more meaningful ways.

Murder can also be played off in entertaining ways, and can be done fast and easy like it's nothing. Rape is slow and brutal. Nothing else.

The only good representation of rape would be seeing the emotional consequences, but even slightly going into that has annoying dudes going "MUH SJWS!" like what happened with fuckin Fury Road.

>>378707547
>There are actually very few games where you can murder someone.
GTA, Bethesda games, Fable, Contact, are a few I can think off of the top of my head.

>>378707259
Rape him

>>378706919
Post the Berserk edit

>>378707907
You can murder in Assassin's Creed to a limited extent. There's just a murder cooldown and/or a healthy penalty.

>>378707579

You are correct actually. While I'm instinctively scared of dying horribly, the actual concept of not existing anymore doesn't scare me in the slightest. If anything, the thought of life having an eventually end comforts me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to attempt to get through life as well and happy as I can, but I like that my journey will come to an end at some point.

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>>378706763
This. Thank fuck for Japan. http://nichegamer.com/2016/03/01/japanese-representative-refutes-un-suggestion-to-ban-media-depicting-sexual-violence/

The article explains how the United Nations was heavily pressuring Japan to ban games and manga depicting sexual violence against women. Here's what Japan said back to them.
>If we are asked to consider whether “Protecting Women’s Rights in Japan” requires us to “Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence,” then we must reply that that is an absolute “no.”
>Reason #1 – The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.
>Reason #2 – In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves. If we were to “ban the sale of manga that includes sexual violence,” it would do the opposite and instead create a new avenue of sexism toward women.

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>"Why don't you just rape the Joker?"
>"Wait hold on, Batman is gay?"

>>378706763
man rape is fine, so you are correct.

>>378708123
does this show hold up?

How could you justify putting rape in the game?

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>>378706519
Fighting conveys conflict that all people are capable of in some form or another in order to serve their goals or defend their ideals.

Rape conveys sadism and torture with no justification or enjoyable way of conveying it.

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>>378707832

What if you go full "lol rape!" about it?

>>378708287
you're a rapist and you like to rape.

>>378708345
/thread

>>378708286
It does.

In GTA, you can kill any random person you want, no matter if they're good people or not. So you should also be able to rape women if you want.

>>378708286
I haven't watched all of it, but it's pretty good so far.

>>378708287
Why would it need justification? It's not like every element in a game has to be grounded in reality.

>>378708187
You joke but most people really don't care when men get raped in prison

>>378708007
I can accept that other people have managed to find some sort of peace with it, and sure, if death is not an inescapable horror then it's easier to argue for torture. I cannot and will never accept death.

>>378708375
isn't this more akin to something like the lupin 3rd manga/james bond? it's maybe technically rape (especially in this current climate) but it's not really that rape-y.

>>378708432
>>378708454
good to hear. used to watch it as a kid and wanted to revisit it.

>>378708345
Fighting=/=murder.

If you enjoy murdering people in a video game you're worse than someone who enjoys playing VNs where you can rape girls.

Can you rape in any of the God of the War games? Or is it always consensual.

>>378708345
Rape served a goal in cavemen times of procreating and continuing the species, and it's likely why you exist.
Being as it may I don't think there's a whole lotta good ways of putting that in a video game. Really it just comes down to muh feels, men getting raped, sure, but women are oh SO sacred and showing them getting forced into something is wrong. Look at that uproar over that GoT scene. It's just a show and none of it happened, yet people were mad about it.

>>378708123
>Gordon insisting that raping the Joker would nearly eliminate crime in Gotham because his computers say so
>Gordon refusing to accept anyone but Batman rape the Joker
>Gordon not accepting it if the Joker enjoys it
>There's 3 Jokers, and Gordon insists Batman rape them all
>The Council of Gordons saying that Batman must rape the Joker to save the multiverse
>Gordon dressing up as Martha to ask Batman to rape the Joker
>Gordon wearing the Bat-Armor to rape the Joker himself
>Gordon telling Batman that he should rape Bruce Wayne too
>Gordon lusting over Batgirl
>Batman saying he's gonna rape James Gordon Jr. as a test run to see how effective it would be on the Joker, only for Gordon Sr. to either not know who that is or not care
>Perry White telling Clark Kent to dress up as Superman and go rape Lex Luthor
And many more

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i'd rather be murdered than raped t b h

>>378706519
From a certain point of view rape is much worse than murder.

If you die then you just die. Your life is over, your brain shuts off, and your consciousness dissolves back into nothing. If you're raped, however, you usually still have to live. You don't get the luxury of having a definitive "end" to your pain. The memories of your rape could haunt you for months or years, bubbling up at a moment's notice. You could be outside with your family and all of a sudden a certain smell would trigger a memory, and in an instant you're back to that night, powerless and weak and afraid. It might be years before you can enjoy sex again. You might just kill yourself anyway because you know it's the one thing that might permanently stop the pain.

There are worse things than death. I'd say the average human beings on Earth is probably living a life which is worse than simply being dead.

>>378708695
>isn't this more akin to something like the lupin 3rd manga/james bond? it's maybe technically rape (especially in this current climate) but it's not really that rape-y.

No Rance is explicitly a rapist, but they play it off by the fact that he's a comical person and his rape-loving ways are not his greatest flaws (because it's hard to top murdering children for kicking your sand castle)

>>378708287
The protagonist has a girlfriend and they both have consensual sex with each other, but the girlfriend at times decides to stop it early, but the guy keeps climaxing before the girl's words process into his mind because he keeps moaning out of pleasure, drowning out her words.

>>378708718
>If you enjoy murdering people in a video game you're worse than someone who enjoys playing VNs where you can rape girls.
Neither have done anything wrong because it's a fucking video game and pretending to do something does not equal to actually doing it.

>>378706846
>rape is form of torture

...no. Maybe in some cases but not as a general rule.

thats why, because its worse, its more fun

the appeal of rape is sex, which is legal and theres already tons of porn

also basically most of the industry is on consoles and im not sure how much companies like sony and microsoft want a bunch of sex games

>>378706519
Literally because of America

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>>378707324
Sure it wouldn't, fuck boy.

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>>378708774
>Look at that uproar over that GoT scene.
Off topic, but I was mad about that because it undermined character development and went against how it happened in the book for the sake of shock value.

>>378708832
t. triggered sjw cuck.
People can get over traumatic events even worse then that like the death of a family member within a year or so. Rape is just bit of pain and being made vulnerable by another person, it's not like your entire life is fucking changed.

Because murder has been glorified by movies and books and culture in general. Look where the games with rape come from, the East on which the western media has less effect.
It's a cultural thing, it's like asking why games don't have sopa de macaco in them, because culturally that's not accepted.

As far as presenting it in games goes
Murder is something that is shown in seconds and left behind
Rape takes time, so it's just grotesque.

>>378707186
Real life isn't like your VNs, Rance.

>>378706519
Mostly because sexual acts are generally agreed by most people in the industry to be more explicit than violence, and most murder in gaming has to be toned down to a certain degree if they want a publisher.

But I mean if you want rape games, you can always ask your local /d/egenerate.

>>378706846

Rape in most cases is emotional torture and humiliation, unless we're talking about being raped with a knife

>>378706519
Because Murder is still justifiable in our society, and rape isn't, despite the lesser nature of the crime. You can't rape in self defense, for example.

>>378706519
Because it's infinitely easier to justify raping out of necessity rather than rape out of... any excuse, really.

>>378708520
because they were rapists.

>>378709248
Well you should, a weapon's a weapon

>>378709094
Right. The whole point of the book plot was that Jaime was growing increasingly uncomfortable--even afraid--with Cersei. He felt the same ominous terror that led him to kill the Mad King Aerys, yet she was also his family and his closest love.

If anything, Cersei should have raped Jaime.

>>378709289
rapists aren't the only people who get prison raped

>>378706519
>objectively
A lot of people are ready to tell you that living with trauma is worse than dying on the spot.
The existence of those people is the answer to your question, even if they're dreadfully wrong.

Other reason, there aren't as many ways to make interesting mechanics out of rape as there are ways to make interesting mechanics out of murder.

>>378709143
I don't get how people can say rape is worse than death. I don't think most rape victims would even agree with that. That's basically like saying all rape victims would have been better off if they had died instead. Pretty fucked up if you ask me.

>>378708395
Okay, why would you want to play as that character? I don't know about you but most people tend to find rapists disgusting, just because you murder people in video games its usually for a reason, like being a soldier, self defense, take over the world etc.
>>378708460
Good point. But, just because it isn't realistic doesn't mean it has to be done though. Imagine if you were playing a game and saw a child being raped, would you shrug it off and say its just a game or question why the fuck would someone put this in the game?

>>378706519
Context. Murder can be justified as for the Greater Good, but rape is a lot harder to make into something heroic. This coupled with the current political climate is why most devs don't bother including or alluding to rape. More sex and nudity in general would be neat though, it's kind of fucked that something completely natural that is also the only reason we exist is taboo while murdering tons of people isn't.

>>378709248
>You can't rape in self defense, for example.
It's like you've never read hentai before.

>>378708884
oh. well maybe the US should just lighten up an be more like japan then.

>>378707398
>>378707450
>There are countries where you can get in serious trouble for killing or injuring a man who broke into your house

>>378709445
maybe because you want to break someone mentally and you rape his wife daughter or whatever
I could see it in a mafia game

>>378709445
>Okay, why would you want to play as that character?

because it's fun.

I think the main argument is: "If you can rape people in video games, you'll want to rape people in real life". When the obvious counter example for murder gets brought up, people usually get defensive by saying "Murder is way harder to get away with! It's not the same!" On top of that, when asked whether or not rape porn encourages people to rape they say it's not the same either because video games are "more realistic" and have a bigger affect on people's behavior. Of course there's no evidence for any of that, but it's the argument I see people make most often.

>>378706519
Depends on the degree of murder. Actual criminal rape is typically a standard level of a violent crime, and the impact can be extremely lasting and mortifying. Murder often just ends up with someone dead, some tears shed, a federal case, and a funeral.
Rape is far worse than typical murder, and anyone who knows about the nature of those crimes knows that.

>>378709143
Well, that tends not to be the case, unfortunately. PTSD is real, and it can persist for a very, very long time. It simply can't be compared to something like a family tragedy, not the least of which because of the intense physicality of rape itself. Sex is supposed to be an ecstatic, joyful act. If you believe in sanctity, you probably think sex is sacred. To have it defiled like that can really, seriously fuck a person up.

>>378706519
I would disagree. The victim has to live with the results of that forever, which could manifest in negatively impacting even more lives directly through abuse, assault, etc; Murder is also bad and causes a lot of grief, but it generally does not last as long.

Not saying either is worse than the other, just my opinion.

>>378707579
I have a friend I get to visit every few months, mostly when he demands it. Why?

because six months ago someone shot him in the head and he went into a coma. for a while it didn't look like he was going to ever wake up, but one day he did. About two months in or so. he spends most of his time staring at a wall, drooling like an idiot. His wife and kids are saddled with the pain of visiting him, but his wife (let's call her Suzy) told me she can't visit more than once a week anymore because she mostly ends up just sitting in the room crying.

Every once in a while - and apparently more often when I visit - he comes back to us. You can see it happen in real time: his eyes uncloud and suddenly he understands where he is, the fact that he's lost his job, he's confined to a hospital because even when he wakes up, he can't use half his body. And then what happens next is a regular pattern.

He asks his wife and children to leave the room, and then when they leave he turns to me and begs me to kill him. He breaks down and cries, tells me he can't stand the thought of what he's doing to his family, and tells me he'd rather die. He begs and pleads until his light burns out and he goes back to being a drooling moron. Rinse repeat. This is his life.

Tell me again how death is supposed to be worse than that.

"Death is when we are not, therefore death is nothing." - Epicurus

>>378708286
>>378708695
Just like all 90s cartoons, it has a good 1st season but then shits the bed in the 2nd and 3rd seasons because the writers spent all their good ideas early.

>>378706519
Murder (or more accurately: homicide) can be done without malicious intent, or even without an intention at all, and has instances where it is justifiable, such as self-defense). Rape can't be like that, it intrinsically has an intention, and is done for a single purpose (that is, personal satisfaction at someone else's expense and against their will).

Even if you willingly kill someone in a game, you did just that: someone coded something for you to delete off of a particular scenario. With rape you'd have: someone coded something with you having the intention of abusing something for personal gain in mind. They sound very similar, but they make very different statements about the condition of both developer and player

>>378709802
Shit man, I feel for you and everyone involved. There are most certainly fates worse than death. Stuff like that reminds me that I need to find out if I can legally have a pre-existing document that says to pull the plug after a year if I ever go into a state like that. Stay strong, anon.

>>378709486
Death is seen as the biggest tragedy, therefore writers have spent centuries refining it into the tasteful Hollywood deaths we see today.
Sex is seen as something that only happens in porn and French indie movies, because it basically is, and as a result, far fewer people know how to make sex tasteful.

>>378709981
Yeah but
A) it's perfectly standard evil behavior
And
B) many games have single player modes where you play as the bad guys, and I'm talking about popular games
There's no reason other than it being culturally wrong. That's why those games exist in Japan

>>378709542
Probably helps that a woman wrote his character for 6 games

>>378709802
Idk if it's just the liquid oxy im on from getting my tonsils out but I think that's the most brutal thing I've ever read.

I feel sorry for everyone in that situation

>>378709371
Basically. His time with Brienne gave us a chance to see a more complex side of his character, but HBO decided to randomly steer him back into villain territory.

Which is ironic, considering that they cut out the scene of Tyrion raping a girl during his downward spiral later on. Which I assume was to preserve his fan favorite status.

>>378709802
How come he's intelligent enough to turn around and speak coherent sentences to you and is self-aware of his condition and able to ask you to kill him, yet he spends to rest of the day staring at a wall drooling? Does your presence activate his brain?

>>378706519
Rape would serve no purpose in a game other than satisfy the urges or virgin losers.

Murder or killing in a videogame is just getting rid of a problem, sure there are some games where you can kill for fun but someone will hardly get any sexual pleasure while doing so.

>>378709428
Well, wouldn't they? Once you're dead, you're dead. The lights go off, your organs cease to function, and then you're gone. Everything about you just disappears in an instant. There's no pain, no pleasure, not even any desire for either. There's no hunger or longing or anything at all because you don't even exist to experience it anymore.

Surely that is preferable to a life of suffering. Or not even a lifetime, just a long enough time. Everyone must have a certain point at which they say, "No, I will not suffer this anymore". That's what death allows. Suicide is the final and greatest freedom of humanity.

Everyone underestimating how awful murder is because the person just "goes to sleep" forever, is
Forgetting about all of the people it impacts outside of the now corpse. Friends, family, coworkers, etc. And having someone die violently is worse than it happen in a freak accident or something like that. That doesn't happen with rape victims to nearly the same extant.

>>378709802
In his situation, I would not beg to be killed because I am alive and being alive is not being dead. If you are suggesting that I would mentally break to a point at which I would do this, then I would consider myself already dead.

Is it an awful situation? Yes. There are even more awful, I'm sure. If you told me I could live forever if I had to live like that, I would agree to it. Obviously not immediately, there is some risk-reward in gambling on biomedical technology, but if it was straight up waking up from a coma every six months for a brief period of complete misery? Yes, absolutely. For me, at least.

"Death is nothing" is precisely why it's horrifying.

>>378710451
Not everyone who goes through a traumatic event is miserable for the rest of their life, don't be ridiculous. Death is bad because it deprives people of the enjoyment of living life. The way you're romanticizing it is creepy as fuck, to be honest.

>>378709802
this post is so reddit it hurts.

>>378710586
stop repeating yourself underageanon

we get it you're scared of dying. well you're gonna die anyway

>>378710617
This post is so edgy it hurts.

>what is all the h-games

>>378710319
Anon care to answer this?

>>378706519
Violence sells
Rape doesn't

>>378706519
Probably cause murder victims are dead and can't complain

>>378706919
>Men can be raped too
thats impossible. men cannot be abused or raped. men are heartless criminals who no emotions whatsoever, especially if they're white. like animals in the wild men are expected not to show or experience pain.

>>378707579
You're going there anyway bud

My heart hurts for what /pol/ has become.

>>378707106
>murder is worse than rape
>torture is worse than murder

These are the inner thoughts and ramblings of someone that only leaves the house to work at 7/11 and then come home and jack off to the newest cuck offerings on xhamster.

>>378710213
and a man wrote hard candy. almost like gender doesn't matter.

>>378709640
how about a prison game where you have to rape someone to show dominance?

>>378707579
>terrifying
>you are not feeling pain or anything bad???

maybe murder is not objectively worse than rape? wouldnt that be exactly what that means?

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>so few where you get to rape people.
I can think of one where you get to BE raped.

>>378706519
Who cares.

If you push this narrative far enough you might get developers to stop making games about killing of any kind.

You can't get triggered if you're dead you maroon

>>378706919
>That doujin
>"rape"

Cause rape has both physical and mental pain they can occur while being murdered has physical. It's a form a torture and torture is unjustified

That's the main reason. Rape and other forms of torture can mess with you psychologically and that's the worse kind of torture and pain to endure cause it'll never leave

>>378712439
Damn, thought that was yuri before I looked it up.

>>378712925
You don't think the family of the murder victim feels any mental pain?

>>378713247
I'm sure they do but the impact isn't has drastic. They are in piece. If they had a family member raped they all now have to go through that painful road along with all the baggage that'll unleash later on

>>378713368
You realize it's worse when the family member is fucking murdered and no longer with them anymore, right? You aren't actually a 16 year old on this site, are you? Cocksucker

>>378711979
Murder is worse than rape. Rape leaves you alive, and that is better than being dead.

In this thread of conversation, people have categorized rape as a form of torture. In that case, murder is worse than torture.

Repeatedly, people bring up a form of torture that "makes you wish for death." It isn't unheard of as a trope. If we're assuming a hypothetical situation in which I am pushed to that level, I'd consider that already being dead, because that is incompatible with me. I would define that level of torture as effectively murder.

So murder is worse than rape, murder is worse than torture, theoretically there is a extreme torture that I would equate with murder.

>>378713060
looks like yuri to me, is it a trap?

>>378712351
Yes. I would much rather feel pain than not feel. And that isn't to say "feel nothing" because that implies experiencing. Not existing at all, so not feeling or thinking: that is terrifying.

If you don't agree I don't begrudge you; maybe you haven't thought about it enough or maybe you've thought about it and made a peace with it. I could never make that peace. And so, as far as I'm concerned, murder is worse than any torture or rape or whatever else people can dream up.

>>378706519
because there are no murder victims left to be offended/PTSD triggered

>>378706519
>Eat Your Pea Professor

>>378713665
that's some real nice mental gymnastics you got going on there

>>378709248
>not if I attack their ass with my dick

>>378714432
Didn't mean to quote