What is better Gaiden or Shadows of Valentina? What other games

>>378703152
Why is Gaiden!Alm's gloves and shoes green? Also what's with the red neckbrace and bowl cut?

>>378703152
Aren't they hinting at a FE6 remake? I would be down for that if they actually fix some of its flaws and not put them on a pedestal like what they did with SoV.

>>378703152
Does anyone honestly think Gaiden is better than Echoes?

>>378703152
Gaiden is always better. Anything with Hidari as an artist is instantly garbage.

>>378703152
SoV of course. Gotta say the voice acting and monster design are 10/10.

Did it really sell terribly, though? I can never tell if people are memeing or not when they talk about sales.

Rise of the Deliverance actually looks good. Real shame it's so expensive

>>378703152

Fire Emblem: Barbecue of Jugdral

>>378704609
A dude said if he could choose which one to do next it would be 6.

>>378704609
There is no point in playing FE6 if I can not save all my money and buy 30 pairs of magic boots.
There is no way in hell THEY are ever going to let us buy boots again because THEY hate fun.

Having played Awakening, Fates and Echoes, I was going to check out the older fes but I figured they'll be remaking em for switch or porting the gamecube/wii ones over so may as well wait.

>>378703152
Tellius needs a remaster, it doesn't deserve to look as bad as it does.

>>378705505
Fire Emblem (GBA) is good and probably won't be remade for awhile.

>>378705524
Magvel needs something, anything from IS.

>>378705675
Is that so? Hmm I do want to play it but I'm worried it'll be subpar presentation/writing/characterisation wise compared with echoes (obviously I expect it'll have better gameplay). Am I wrong?

>>378705931
You're right. You should wait; don't play any other FE.

>>378705120
It has sold at least 250,000 in Japan alone and a estimated 300,000 overseas if we judge by chart position
So it's a bit above the goal IS set for a remake of a poorly selling black sheep of a game that. Ever had an international release

>Lukas holds regelian hostages so the Deliverance can escape

Holy mother of christ, Lukas is a bastard

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How does this sound for FE Switch?

>Visual style similar to Echoes CG cutscenes but slightly less anime
>An actually decent story like the old games as opposed to the travesty that is Fates. Awakening's was amazing in comparison to Fates.
>A slightly smaller cast of characters that all get a fair amount of screen time and stuff to do.
>All dialog is fully voiced and acted.
>No self insert or one like Robin that takes the back seat to the main character.
>Protagonist with a spear and shield instead of a sword.
>Greek/Roman inspired character designs as well as groups/countries based more on northern Europeans and/or groups like the Huns and Mongols.
>Practical armor/character designs
>Conversations are between 3D models, much like in games like The Witcher and Mass Effect as opposed to a pair of sprites.
>Skills are tied to use of certain weapons like Gaiden/Echoes but can be carried over. Skills function similarly to how they do in PoR/RD in that they have different values and you have a limited pool which increases upon promoting and/or leveling up.
>A World Map that lets you take on certain battles in an order of your choosing, some in a location of your choosing.
>Certain battles will be a result of player actions.
>Decent/good map design, no more massive open fields or boats with obvious choke points outside of the first quarter of the game.
>PoR/RD/New Mystery style Base Conversations exist in addition to certain ones in towns in the overworld.
>Support conversations happen in the base like in PoR and 3DS games.
>Supports go from D to S, only certain characters can have an S.
>No children/second gen characters.
>Blood and actual violence

>>378705054
fuck you nigger hidari is the only good part about echoes

>>378706403
Could you be more gay?

Jugdral > Archanea > Elibe = Tellius > Valentia > Fates' continent > Ylisse > Magvel

>>378706207
He's completely dead inside so I don't blame him

>>378706475
yeah i could actually think echoes is more than mediocre junk

>>378706547
How can you put Magvel so low?

>>378706207
>Fight against Duma
>Everyone: "No way we're gonna let you do whatever you want blah blah blah"
>Lukas: "Oh shit I get to fight a fucking dragon god of destruction? Hell yeah."
I love this guy.

>>378706547
>Archanea
>good

Bitch pls

>>378706752
No snow areas, infested with zombies, eye balls and earthquakes.

>>378706923
>infested with zombies, eye balls and earthquakes.
But that's pretty cool. I liked fighting the monsters.
What would snow do that Desert can't anyway, a palette swap?

Are the GBA FEs worth playing?

>>378706923
Alright then
>Archanea above Ylisse when it's the same place

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>>378706330
Literally would not even sell
Too much budget needed for any of that shit and it doesn't appeal to a large audience.
I like most of your ideas, but that game would flop super hard even if the elitists and contrarians bought 5 copies per person.
>3D models talking and fully voiced coupled with localization
too much budget needed
>actual violence
not in 100 million years would Nintendo allow that

Is Lukas meant to be shit or not?
My unit is still a soldier but he tanks almost as well as Alm for a lot of maps.

>>378707093
yes

>>378706840
Archanea is comfy, have you seen those maps in SD and New Mystery? Could fall asleep on the Grust maps

>>378707093
Are you kidding? Do it now.

>>378706330
Have the insert be more like FE7

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>>378705054
kill yourself. Taste this disgusting doesn't deserve to live

>>378703152
>What other games should be remade under the Echoes title?
All the Japan only ones.

I don't think we'll get anything Shadows of Valentia quality for a while though. The main director fought attempts to put self-inserts in the game and other changes, the team had a passion for the original, and the director literally inherited the NES version from his dad who he used to play it with.

>>378707357
>The main director fought attempts to put self-inserts in the game and other changes

He should get fired.

>>378706330
>Hey guys, what if we made a Fire Emblem game, but made it nothing like a Fire Emblem game?
Wow
Amazing
Did you make Bomberman: Act Zero?

>>378707197
I found him useful early game, but later on when there are more magic user enemies he became a lot less useful. I hear people use a pitchfork to reclass him as a villager, but I didn't mess around with that.

>>378707089
Snow > Deserts, this is fact.

>>378707137
Archanean Armor Knights don't have toilet armor, who wants to look out their castle balcony and see a bunch of shitters?

>>378707197
He's good. He's even better as a Dreadlord (via FREE DLC ITEM) as he is both strong and can double tank. Him and Baron Forsyth with a Hexlocke Shield can hold any choke.
Though you could also use the DLC to make a Dreadfighter Looped Bow Knight Python which is better

>>378703152
I think the next one to be remade is going to be Sword of Seals.
I have nothing to back up my claim and I'm almost always wrong but I think it makes the most sense to finally get Roy's game out of Japan.

>>378707292
7's is shit because it's literally just a self insert.MU should just be a person in the army you can customize in appearance and stats/class

>>378707292
>like Mark
So basically don't have one?

>>378707448
>he should get a raise*
FTFY

Clive is be the kind of guy that'd enjoy watching his wife peg another guy, right?

>>378707649
This man speaks the truth.
Mark almost doesn't exist.

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Just started Echoes and I can't tell I'm going to like these characters better than the fucktard waifubait in Fates and Awakening. Even the world is established better.
I hope Sacred Stones is remade in this fashion as well. FE is still missing the awesome crit animations though.

>>378707710
Yes

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I'm so happy Echoes has such stellar character desi--

>>378707448
>wah if I don't have a faggy noncharacter that I can marry my 2D wife through the game isn't good
You and everyone like you should crawl in a hole and die. You're worth less than pond scum.

>>378707518
Archanea doesn't have Donnel.

>>378707813
>not liking echoes characters
>let alone in comparison to fates

This is beyond shit taste

>>378707930
Finish the sentence, don't let the tits distract you.

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>>378706330
>>378707157
Allow me to dissect a bit more
>less anime visual style
Fire emblem's backbone is an anime style, if you mean less moe and anime tropes, then I agree.
>actual decent story
new writers would probably need to be hired and more budget would be allocated to writing, and may not appeal to a large audience
>smaller cast with more screen time
I disagree with the smaller cast, because it can cause issues with permadeath (I think Gaiden had a point where if you lost too many units you would get a game over) but I agree with more screentime, which calls for more writing staff to work
>all dialogue voiced
a lot of money needed and localization would be hell. Mainly because you propose a better story and more character screen time, lots of voices would need to be recorded.
>spear and shield protagonist
yeah but what about AXES
>practical armor
depends on the artist really
>3D models
even more time and money would be needed to sync up mouth movements, localization hell
>decent map design
depends on game designers, would make a chunk of time during development
>actual blood and violence
define this point
do you mean gore and real injuries, or darker themes

>>378708064
He clearly meant to type can and not can't if you read the whole sentence.

Who would win in a fight between Clive and Nomah?

>>378704609
From what I understand some guy said that if he could choose what FE to remake next, he'd pick FE6. The implication of that statement is that they currently have no plans for a remake.

>>378707930
The only design issue I have with Echoes is how half the villains look like blue goblins

>>378708031
Another reason its higher, I don't want to share living space with a nu-FE meme character

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>>378703152
What will happen if a shining force fan comes into a fire emblem thread?

>>378708232
Alm's and Celica's army because they wouldn't have any more dead weight dragging them down

>>378707995
Speaking from a sales perspective it was a pretty retarded decision not to include one. It's like they didn't even want good sales in Japan

Clive is the fucking leader of the Deliverance and has lower growths than his sister.

>>378708191
>define this point
Real injuries, blood. No gore.

If someone gets stabbed through the chest with a sword, I want to see a blood covered sword.

Echoes had full voice acting and Warriors will have all dialog done by 3D models with full voice acting according to a developer interview in the recent Famitsu. If a Dynasty Warriors crossover can do it, a mainline entry should too.

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>>378703152
Give me Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Magvel right now. Fuck FE4 and fuck FE6

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>>378708256
The possibility is still very open though. We have a nice precedent now. After Awakening and Fates, I didn't think Intsys would ever be willing to revisit Fire Emblem without a focus on waifus again. But they did. Say what you will about Echoes map design, literally everything else about the game is great. It's unlikely it'll ever be a top priority, but it's a very real possibility they'll do something like SoV again. Maybe after a game or two on the Switch.

>>378708407
arthur best unit

>>378708121
It's too late, Candlejack has already claimed

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>>378703152
Oh shit that art on the right has aged terribly

>>378707448
MU shit is awful

>>378708702
Wrong board.

>>378708407
>What will happen if a shining force fan comes into a fire emblem thread?
You can stay as long as you don't talk about how much you want to fuck horses. You can even criticize FE as long as you back up your arguments.

I liked SF back when it was the only SRPG I had played but I tried playing SFIII a few years back and didn't enjoy it very much.
Please convince me to give it another chance; I want to enjoy it since I feel like I'm missing out but the gameplay felt slow and shallow and the writing seemed rather bland despite using a lot of words and making many faces, just like Golden Sun.

>>378708660
from holy ark or the horse dude with magic from scenario 2?

>>378708814
Shining Force has horse waifus?

>>378708732
What's so awful about MU? Corrin would still be a shitty character if you couldn't change their appearance

>>378708657
Yeah, I figure they'll remake more games eventually, I just interpreted that statement as saying that they currently are not working on anything nor have they decided what to do in the future. It sounds like some people think they're already working on FE6 and I'm sure that that is not the case.

>>378708925
Fates's problem is that the main character of each route should be Xander, Ryoma and Azura.

>>378708902

SF had a bunch of other races like centaurs.

>>378709015
But does it have good horse waifus

>>378708925
Corrin was a shit character because it was a MU
Theres no real solid connection to the story and there's just a blank personality so that this character can conform to everyone self inserting

>>378708869
Shining Force 1

>>378708925
>What's so awful about MU? Corrin would still be a shitty character if you couldn't change their appearance
Because Corrin is customizable self insert, they have to make his personalty bland so that retards can self insert. Maybe if he wasn't supposed to be a self insert he'd have half a personalty.

>>378709014
>Xander, Ryoma
You mean Leo, Takumi.

>>378709014
but the main character is still Corrin, you can change their name, sex, appearance, or tweak their stats but they still have an immalleable, static personality like any other character. You hate Corrin, not the MU feature. Ignoring that MU don't have to be like Corrin, they can be like Robin or Kris.

>>378708925
MUs are the root of the larger disease that is waifu emblem. The popular games sold not because of any quality of gameplay or writing, but because the majority of the fanbase now wants nothing more than the ability to self insert into a faggot like Corrin and marry their favorite girl with shallow wish fulfillment. Fates had an unbelievably dogshit story, awful characters, shit gameplay other than Conquest which sold the least, but a lot of people didn't care because of waifus and shallow wish fulfillment. That's what sells Fire Emblem now, not any sort of quality.
Get rid of MUs and waifu mechanics, and FE becomes good again.

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>>378708814
The story gets really deep and I love how your actions in the previous scenarios affects the rest of the game (new characters, new areas, blocked areas, new plot points,etc.)
The graphics are on par with some of the best 3d rpg's on ps1
The best reason i have for you to play this game is the music done by motoi sakuraba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebOHp9Gga-4&index=13&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQB3Lywnho&index=23&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLYDAlqofk&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi&index=41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKwuokpwEZU&index=47&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiG9cte5FaA&index=49&list=PLFKDUPVhA6nikE7b6mxZcddFqBXIFjzqi
also the trilogy techically has 5 games in it
from first to last
holy ark, scenario 1,2,3,premium disc

>>378708925
Leads to games being designed around (You) as the main character, which leads to garbage.

If (You) were just some guy you could have a proper plot and still enable self-insertion, having a relationship with your waifus and all the shit that new fans want out of the Avatar system without other elements going to hell for it.

Let's assume Echoes is just for FE15 and Valentia. What one-word subtitle would FE4/FE5 and FE7/FE6 remakes have?

>>378709579
Fire Emblem: Nightmares of Thracia

I wish that as self inserts we had more dialogue options. Even if they're meaningless or don't lead to alternate paths/maps, it'd be more immersive than having an already established character be customizable just so it could be "you".

>>378705371
They'll probably make it so that a unit can only use Boots once or twice, rather than remove the shoe store.

>>378709448
>>378709298
>>378709114
They have a personality that's not that different from lords, sometimes a lord will be the tempered, calm type sometimes the brave hothead. They're still mostly lacking in real depth, and reflect the era when they were designed.

>>378708660
Arthur was dogshit. Gimmicky magic knight that is barely as useful as the other filler knights.

>>378709381
Corrin's problem is that (s)he's a shitty blank slate character who is the protagonist.

Robin works as Chrom is the main character and has personality. Corrin would be better if Corrin weren't the main character and the story didn't revolve around him/her.

>>378709579
They said in an interview that any future remakes would likely carry the "Echoes: Subtitle" naming scheme.

4 would be Holy War Chronicle.

6 and 7 have names that people know and work fine as is.

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>>378709579
Fires of Jugdral.

>>378705505
Don't bother, nothing holds a candle to Conquest

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Who is the best?
>julian
>medion
>synbios
vote or you will lose all your MP and healing drops

>>378709579
If they dropped 'Echoes' for some reason?
FE4/5 would be "Fire Emblem Generations". Genealogy refers to the study of family lines or 'knowledge of generations' in Greek or some shit, and the subtitle emphasizes the generation system where FE4P1 is followed by FE4P2 and Thracia.

FE6/7... No clue.

>>378706816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYcqbcsBwL8

I love the endgame quotes so much

>>378703152
Echoes is an improvement in nearly every way.

The only thing I missed from Gaiden were all the various ways to completely break the game like the Angel Ring, Falcon Knights, and Dear all of which were nerfed in Echoes since they made Echoes more of a balanced game.

Also Alm and Celica are a bit off in Echoes but nothing too major (Celica is a tiny but more retarded now and Alm is missing a few of his badass lines from the original)

>>378703152
What game should I try to solo if I hate myself, and with what unit?

Does anyone know how FE5's AI chooses targets? I'm working on a FE5 0% growths warpless LTC run and I need to abuse the AI in order to move safely through ballista fire.

>>378712960
Don't try to solo anything, even if you hate yourself. If you want the game to be harder don't pick something that removes 99% of the strategy. There's lots of better challenges you can do.

Why does Ike get none of the women?

>>378713371
he's battlesexual and cares not for silly women, only fighting for his friends or he's gay

>>378703152
>Gaiden or Shadows
They're the same game. Pick your artstyle, and price range. Free, Free with a minor risk, or $95.

>What other games should be remade
None. Not until IntSys learns how to actually develop a good game, which will be never, if only because they don't have to.

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ONE THOUSAND YEARS LATER.

>>378714210
>awakening

>>378714883
It's a map from Gaiden.

>>378714994
and it's in awakening, gaiden doesn't deserve this

>>378714994
>It's a map from Gaiden.
I'm playing through echoes right now and i'm in part 4 and I haven't seen this yet

>>378714210
Getting Inigo kills was cancer in this map.
Doubled by assassins, injured by sorcerers, and can't damage the generals.

>>378715150
it's on celica's side

>>378715238
Which part though?

>>378715150
If you remember where it was in awakening you'll have a general idea of how late in the game it is.

Why Python is so shit, lads

>>378715382
Python doesn't get good until late in the game.

Stick with him and he'll zero to hero when he becomes a bow knight with killer bow

>>378715290
it's one of the very last few maps of Celica act 4, just a little before Duma Tower

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>my forsyth is getting shit speed on this run
help me
>>378715459
anything is good with high crit weapons, how do you get a killer bow btw?

>>378715382
Archers including Python are incredibly useful later in the game when they start throwing 10000000000000 witches and arcanists at you

>>378715547
It's less of the killer bow and more about its weapon art that allows you to double enemies regardless of speed. Python's stats catch up when he hits bow knight as a bonus.

You forge a killer bow from a silver bow. Iron => steel => silver => killer

>>378708656
This right here
You are my nigga.

>>378705159
it sucks

What are the meme characters of each game?

>>378716624
>>>/gamefaqs/

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>Warp Alm in to Double Lion Nuibaba's ass.
>Forget to have Faye Rescue him.

>>378716624
>FE1: Wrys
>FE4: that one generic boss that gets reused a dozen times
>FE7: Batta
>FE8: Gheb
>FE9: Gromell
>FE13: Kellam

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>>378714210
One thousand years later and Duma is still fucking shit up from beyond the grave.

So they got rid of weapon durability? How's that?

>>378718108
They only let you wield one weapon now and they brought weight back.

>>378718108
inventory has been reduced to one items, more powerful weapons have weight which lowers your speed, the weapon triangle's been removed and spells now cost small amounts of HP. Pretty much the only major change to the combat I don't like about Echoes is how the insane buffs to archers make Pegasi fucking useless and how much of a hard on the enemy has for magic users pretty much requiring me to use 15 dread fighters or to fuck off.

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>>378709929
Flames of Jugdral would actually be unironically a pretty good name.

>>378709579
>No one could name 6/7
Cmon now it's obvious, Fire emblem echoes:Blades of Elibe

>>378703152
If Sov is how they're gonna "remake
' games under the title then they don't need to bother because barely anything improved with this remake.

>>378720228
>why can't I fuck faye

>>378716832
1-Wrys
4-Arden
7-Dorcas
8-Amelia
9/10-Oliver

>>378710175
Motherfucker.
We get it, Conquest is a good game.
That doesn't mean that older games were bad, they're still more than worthy of nu-FE playing retroactively.
Every fucking thread.

>>378723634
Just don't reply to him, I've seen him post that every thread too, he makes 3ds newcomers seem smug and retarded

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>>378710175
Cuckquestfags are cancer.

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>mire

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>>378710175
*Lunges your spot in greatest FE game*

>>378715547
hes the worst character in the game

>>Play Shadows of Valentia
>Must go back because i want to do a Sidequest
>MUST FIGHT MY WAY THROUGH FUCKING RESPAWNING ENEMIES
>Wellits not that bad lol i mean okay once is okay it will never happ...
>A unit is now attacking Celicia and i'm forced toplay with them

This game sucks ass

>>378724104
not when faye exists
@378724107
>tripfag making a retarded post
I expected nothing less

>>378723634
>>378723854
>STOP FORCING CONQUEST UGHHHH
>after literal years of Jugdralfag circlejerking

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>>378724221
I'm SO sorry.

>>378724221
jugdral deserves the circlejerk while conquest and fates in general doesn't and never will

>>378724447
What's the point you're trying to make here? That Kamui is a shit character? Because that's not exactly debated.

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>>378724447
>self inserting as a whore getting gangbanged by royals makes fates good

>>378724490
My point is that you're a fucking faggot and the things you waste your time defending are a joke.

>>378709579
>FE7/FE6
Fire Emblem Echoes: The Downfall of the Lord of the Dragons and the Return of the King.

>>378708656
I would be 100% ok with this.

>>378724487
You mean Thracia deserves the circlejerk. Don't associate FE5 with that piece of shit FE4.

>People keep complaining about low accuracy in Echoes
>While using archers in fortifications
>While trying to hit someone that,s hiding in forest / graveyard
>While Supports + forging that increases accuracy exists

>>378724790
thracia is garbage just like you

FIRE EMBLEM IS ALL ABOUT FIXED LORDS

MAPS AND GAMEPLAY AND SUPPORTS CAN BE AS SHITTY AS THEY WANT

BUT NO MU REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>378715547
>>my forsyth is getting shit speed on this run

>Get him to Baron
>Take Pitchfork
>Turn him into Villager => Mercenary
Congrats, you just fixed his speed problem.

>>378724965
mad awakening babby is mad

>>378721358
Gaiden's game design is still awful. No one cares about Tharja 3.0

>>378724221
>>378723634
>>378710175
I think Conquest is fine as a game if you ignore all the shitty characters and plot, but it's kinda the same arguement people make for Shadow Dragon.

They're both really ugly and kinda shitty in every respect other than the core gameplay / map design. Shadow Dragon and Conquest have great maps and have a healthy balance of difficulty but they are hideous and kinda hard to like.

>>378724965
You okay son?

>>378725082
>Gaiden's game design is still awful
it has the best maps in the series, although I wouldn't expect nu emblem fags to understand good game design

>>378725058
Amusingly enough, I'm an FE8 fag.

All I want is to see Telliusfags more butthurt, they are the real cancer.

>Ike can't be a mary sue, he isn't customisable
>It makes him badass, not mary sue

>>378725046
>wasting your fork on forsyth

>>378725082
>B b but the maps
Like clockwork

>>378724790
I like both FE5 and FE4

Fite me

>>378725178
>wasting your fork on lukas

>>378725102
>have great maps and have a healthy balance of difficulty
Because those aspects are what's most important of a FE game?
Besides:
>Playing FE games for the story.

>>378725273
>>Playing FE games for the story.
cancer

>2013, 2016
>Wide open empty rout maps are bad, Awakening/ Birthright is shit
>2017
>Wide open empty rout maps are the best, Gaiden is the best game in the series

>>378703152
remake 4 and 5 already

>>378725178
You are aware that Lukas, Forsyth, Valbar and Mathilda are the best candidates for the fork, right?

Since Gold Knight is horrible

>>378725273
Fates is why you sorta need a tolerable basic story.

Seriously Conquest is a pile of what not to do and Revelations is even worse

>>378725273
Not really, unless you're an obsessive idealist who thinks gameplay is the only aspect of games that matter.

>>378725389
NO MAN
YOU DON'T NEED GOOD STORY WHEN YOU HAVE
MUH GAMEPLAY AND SHIPPING

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>>378708656
Only if it makes incest twins canon.

>>378725324
I meant that in a way in that "Why are you playing FE games for the story?" if the syntax was kind of ambiguous.

>>378725426
None of the stories aren't even that interesting.

>>378725350
Because old school/less meme characters.

Faye is some remake newfag that'll probably be canonly hamfisted as Tharja prime by ISIS 2-3 from now.

>>378725426
That was 90% of the Awakening hate beyond the MU hate, why is Echoes immune?

>>378725350
Everything about Echoes is good, except the maps. It's a well done remake with nice quality of life.

Awakening and Birthright have abyssal maps, story, item forging (Done better in Echoes) and waifu baiting to the max.


Why cannot you enjoy nice things just because of muh maps?

>>378725389
Literally press start or mash A nigger, skip the cutscenes.
>>378725426
There are story focused games and gameplay focused games, Fire Emblem has always been the latter.

>>378725484
>I meant that in a way in that "Why are you playing FE games for the story?"
hence why you are a fucking cancer

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>>378725463
>MUH GAMEPLAY AND SHIPPING
ITS NOT EVEN GOOD GAMEPLAY OR LIKEABLE CHARACTERS


FUCK NEO-FE FAGGOTSS

>>378725494
As compared to what? The blank slates of Gaiden or the equally as meme characters of Echoes?

>Game has waifu archetypes like oujo, imouto and genki

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>Echoes maps
>the same ones recycled over and over while having to face some 15 of the same units
>good
Excuse me? I like the game, but let's not pretend a good chunk of the map game isn't mediocre at best.

>>378725517
Because Echoes has positive qualities about it outside of gameplay, while Awakening has no positive qualities to speak of outside of secondary source materials?

>>378725635
there are no meme characters you autismal fuck, stop posting

>>378725589
>and waifu baiting to the max

Celica is ten times more shoved into your face than Azura.

Why can't you enjoy things because muh waifus?

>>378725273
>>378725324
Advance Wars player here. If I just wanted gameplay I can just keep playing AW which has harder campaigns and far more replay value. If I wanted fantasy and gameplay, I'll just go play FFT or Tactics Ogre. If I wanted to break a game in half while having fun with it, I'll go play Tactics A2.

Story is the only remotely interesting thing it has over the other games. Don't meme on me with that perma death crap. Conquest is shit by SRPG standards.

>>378725769
I never said fates is good
>>378725758
Celica is a well written character, Azura isn't

>>378725742
>Clair is a literal oujo

Oh boy, you sure showed me. What the fuck even is a meme character?

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>>378725769
but anon...

aw is dead


im a awfag

>>378725742
Faye and Fernand are pretty meme tier

>>378725769
You have to realize that it takes a certain level of autism to like AW.

>>378725847
>What the fuck even is a meme character?
that's what I want to know

>>378725589
Because maps are the most important aspect of FE games. If you fail that, it's still shit.

>>378725769
Actually explain on how FE wouldn't be a game you'd play for srpg fantasy game.

>>378725484
It's not just story either, it's every aspect of presentation a game is more than just gameplay, or story, or art, or music, it's a work created by all of these aspects. Arguing that Shadow Dragon/ Conquest are amazing because the map design is the best is a very weak argument unlikely to sway anyone's opinion. Especially when the characters, plot, and just about everything else is some of the worst in the series.

I don't hate Conquest and I was one of those weirdos who actually liked Shadow Dragon when it came out but neither are anywhere close to my favorites in the series.

>>378725846
>Celica is a well written character, Azura isn't

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

Echoes has great writing, but Celica is fucking awful

>>378725769
>Story is the only remotely interesting thing it has over the other games.
Except it doesn't have that you absolute retard.
>Don't meme on me with that perma death crap.
>DON'T MEME ON ME WITH THINGS LIKE SERIES DEFINING MECHANICS OR ANYTHING
>MUH JUGDRAL MUH JUGDRAL MUH FE4 MUH SIGURD MUH BBQ

You know it's weird IS has to format an entire game just to make a remake successful.

SE didn't have to do this with most of their remakes. Just update the graphics and re-distribute the game.

>>378725846
>retard
>well-written

I bet you think Eirika and Corrin are well-written too

>>378725887
>You have to realize that it takes a certain level of autism to like AW.

it takes more aurtism to like any of the new FE games

>>378725996
Eirika is a better written character than any of the avatars

>>378703152
They need to remake Genealogy and Thracia

>>378726004
Except plenty normies play nuFE, while AW is dead because plenty normies didn't like AW.

>>378725993
That's bullshit, when SE put out the Final Fantasy remakes they made all sorts of changes, just look at MP in FF1 or how every battle in FF4 DS was changed.

>>378726127
>implying normies cant get autism

>>378725993
Remasters=/=Remake

Getting a FE remaster from Nintendo is near impossible so might as well go all the way.

>>378724104
He's one of my strongest :thinking:

>>378725850
>he doesn't know about advance wars weekends
>he doesn't know of the never ending struggle between the metafags vs the madmen
>he hasn't beaten AW1 advance campaign
>he doesn't just play versus and war room which has an assload of content accross 4 games
>he doesn't do advance wars retardy
>he hasn't beaten the hardest mission in the series, AC Rivals

There is much to do anon. Advance Wars can survive another 10 years without a sequel.

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>>378726357
but i just want another game

>>378725945
>Celica is fucking awful
No.

>>378725769
>I play FE for the story instead of FFT/Tactics Ogre

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>>378726489

>>378726438
Be happy it died with dignity intact after the one of franchises best entries, few franchises are ever so lucky.

Or would you have preferred it got mutated into something you hate before dying a slow and painful death?

>>378726489
>Literally a bigger retard than Nyna, Eirika and Azura combined

Yes

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>>378726596
Tell me one thing wrong with her Azurafag

>>378725961
>>378726527
Seems to me like there's no reason to play fire emblem then.

Why do people play this shit?

>>378726626
>Or would you have preferred it got mutated into something you hate before dying a slow and painful death?
NO i dont want another fire waifu

but i just want another aw even if its just a dream

>>378726658
a character can still be a retard and be a good character

>>378726658
>women are dumb

Wow what a surprise

>>378703152
imagine a fire emblem game directed by yoko taro

>>378726730
I'd count your blessings then, AW and F-Zero are the lucky ones.

>>378726726
For the maps.

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>>378726820
>F-Zero
thanks for reminding me anon

>>378726489
>More retarded than Eirika

She's shit.

>>378705339
Makes sense. Gaiden and 6 were negatively received. So he might wanna redeem the stories and characters.

>>378726772
That only worked for Devdan and certain degrees of Eirika. I kinda understand why Eirika got rused while Celica is just a short bus princess.

>>378726658
If were counting Nyna, might as well count Elincia with her whole, "Peasents don't die from war." statement.

>>378726970
>More retarded than Eirika
that is a false statement
>>378726984
Source: My Ass

I'm struggling a bit with the last map in echoes.
Do illusion's attacks count towards Jedah's counter?

>>378727075
>Getting baited by obviously evil wizard who killed your family or getting baited by demon lord possessing a close friend

Eirika is still less retarded

>>378726860
But the maps aren't that good

>>378727059
Retard Devdan only exists in the english localization.

Eirika was intelligent, but extremely naive when it came to politics and social justice. She nearly ends the world over her friendship to a self-destructing guy she only knew for 3 years.

>>378726726
Nothing I do or say will cure your mental retardation you subhuman, knuckle dragging caveman. You literally said FE's generic ass story is somehow the only thing it has over Yasumi Matsuno's brilliance, you know nothing about video games and you have revoked any right to call yourself a sentient being. I hope your life becomes a Fatalpulse doujin and you get turned into a human suitcase filled with semen.

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>>378726726
This series has a variety of things to appeal to different kinds of people. I like the permadeath and am probably the only person on /v/ who likes to play iron man for the first playthrough of every game. I embrace the RNG and try to roll with the punches fate gives me. Path of Radiance is one of my favorites for how well it even reflects character deaths in the dialogue throughout the game. Another thing that can appeal to me is good world building and an enjoyably written cast. I want a good sense of camaraderie in an adventure while also picking up some details about the local scenery the cast go to.

I know I'm pretty much ousting myself as a Tellius baby with this post though, but that's the shit that pulled me in, personally. Path of Radiance had a good amount of polish given to its cast and writing that not many other games really hit, and the new ones don't even try to compete with it in that regard anymore. Echoes does a pretty commendable job with the base conversations and NPCs however.

just a reminder

fates had content removed and thats a good thing

>>378727201
Devdan is still smarter than Celica even in questionable localization

>>378727338
the facepetting removal was the only thing the disaster of a localization did right

Just finished Birthright, should I pick up Echoes or Conquest next?
Or Awakening?

>>378727251
>all this ad hominem

Calm the fuck down m8. Just because your precious series is still alive doesn't mean it ain't the ass of the SRPG subgenre with the worst fanbase.

Way to uphold that in a single post.

>>378727338
>>378727416
If yoi think this you should kill yourself

>>378727429
>echoes
Why the fuck would you not finish other parts of the story? Play conquest and then revelations.
After that I'd say go with awakening and then Echoes.

>>378727470
waaaa

i want to pet my waifu

waaaa

>>378727445
everything they said about you was true and you know it
>>378727470
>so buttmad over not being able to touch faces that you can't even spell

>>378727539
Perhaps they're just being autistic about it.

Oh wait...

>>378727472
do this only to see the franchise at its worst before getting to the good shit

>>378727445
You are a fucking retard. Kill yourself, legitimately. The only thing FE has ever had going for it is gameplay, FFT has one of the best stories in all of video games, you do NOT have anything resembling a fucking brain if you think FE's story has ever been worthy of being compared to it.

>>378727525
>approving any form of content removal

T.treehouse shill

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>>378727525
>>378727539
>having some shitlib remove content because they think it's icky is okay because people have waifus
Like nigger don't pet your waifu if you don't want to

>>378727614
This

Why the fuck would you want parts of a game stripped out?

>>378727679
Even the nips hated the petting shit

>>378727612
>shilling for SE this hard
>>378727614
I fucking hate treehouse for the shitty localization of an already shit game, and I'm glad they didn't get the chance to taint gaiden

>>378727612
>FE gameplay
>good
>invoking FFT when FFT the pinnacle of SRPG gameplay

Don't be retarded anon

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>>378727714
Yeah, no shit, it was fucking stupid like the rest of Fates.
But if you're okay with some faggot chopping out content because they don't like it then you should kill yourself. That goes double if you think a translator can "improve" the original work.

I'm not too far into the game, just classed everyone into something from Villager to give you an idea but are growth rates just super low? I mean I've leveled up a couple times in their new classes so it could just be bad luck but I swear I don't ever see a level up give me more than 3 stat gains at most. It's usually always 1 or 2.

>>378727813
>That goes double if you think a translator can "improve" the original work.
They can, if they take out creepy cringe like 'waifu petting' the game has objectively been improved.

@378727897
>creepy cringe
Oh, so you're just shitposting. You had me for a moment there.

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> Respectable house
Do commoners count as respectable housing?
> Tall as Clive and fair face
Depends on your preference
> Well-lettered and gifted in arts of warfare and defense
Well, he is a decent fighter for quite a few people.
> Well-versed in poetry and music.
Uhhhhhhhh.....
> Own four villas
He has a cabin or some shit.

What happened Clair? I thought you preferred an ideal man.

>>378727939
keep telling yourself that, even the japs hated it

>>378727862
yes growths are low

>all these fags bitching about fire emblem gameplay

Explain to me what good gameplay means, and it better be good. Let's weed out some of the idiots.

>>378728154
>inb4 it uses rng ergo it's shit.

>>378728154
Good gameplay is just deep enough to be interesting but not over designed to be convoluted. It also needs a good Normal level difficulty that's not too easy but not frustrating in any way either.

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>>378727607
It kinda is.
You go from the worst story to worst maps with something 'eh'sque' in the middle.

>>378728154
Not implying at all FE has bad gameplay, but you can't deny there hasn't been a stable FE game without some game ruining flaw like FE6 essentially being a hallway simulator, FE10 spamming reinforcements all over the map, or Awakening having shitty maps in general.

>>378728280
Define deep please. You gotta break it down more. And is simple considered a bad thing nowadays?

What is normal difficulty? How can Conquest be considered the best game in the series if it has levels that can be just a pain to beat?

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>>378728280
>Normal level difficulty

>>378728154
Play Langrisser V if you wish to actually learn what good gameplay is.

>>378727943
ABC (ambiguous brown cock) too strong

>>378728497
I don't play weebshit

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>Cantor that summons necrodragons
this is actually just ridiculous now, please tell me it doesn't get any worse than this

>>378728497
Tell me about Langrisser V then. Why do you consider its gameplay good.

I'm genuinely curious.

>>378706403
This.

>No shit art like Awakening and Fates had
>Proper facial expressions, which didnt exist in GBA or Tellius

Anything this man can't do?

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>>378728561
>I don't play weebshit
>plays Fire emblem

>>378728485
>A game has certain levels that aren't as good as other levels in the same game
woah...

>>378728625
fire emblem isn't weeb shit, awakening, fates, and heroes don't deserve to be considered fire emblem games

>>378728638
But what makes them better or worse?

>>378705931
Writing and characterisation are on par but most agreed to be better than Echoes, that goes for the GBA titles and PoR/RD.
If by presentation you mean stuff like voice acting etc, then no there's no comparison. But the character portraits look great and the GBA sprite animations are praised to hell and back by everyone and their grandma, certainly better than every single battle animation since the switch to 3D models, all the way from PoR to Echoes.

>>378728697
How do you define weeb that some games in the same franchise made by the same developer are weeb and others are not?

>>378728976
why should I waste my time giving an explanation to a nu emblem fag that wouldn't understand what is wrong with the modern fire emblems that aren't SoV

>>378728697
Otaku Pandering=/=Weebshit

Fire Emblem always had anime undertones since it's first game. They just didn't decide to go all out with it until Awakening came out.

>>378728890
>but most agreed to be better than Echoes
The fuck?

>>378729150
>Otaku Pandering=/=Weebshit
>Fire Emblem always had anime undertones since it's first game
now I know you are just shitposting

>>378728890
>all the way from PoR to Echoes.

Uh, Radiant Dawn was praised for having animations, 3D Models and CGI cutscenes that was ahead of it's time.

Sure, the BATTLE animation is considered the best among fans. But overall animation Tellius had the upper hand on.

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>Mass Effect 3 has generally decent gameplay and good story moments like curing the genophage and ending the quarian-geth war, but has a terrible ending
>entire game gets trashed by the fanbase for its story
>Conquest has good gameplay, but the story is beyond shit and somehow manages to get worse at every corner
>fanbase praises it like it's the second coming of christ

I don't understand I really don't understand. It's not like Mass Effect had good story to begin with. How can anyone play Conquest without thinking "Why is all this shit going on? Why should I give two shits about these characters? Why is the only character who seems kinda cool complete garbage?"

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>>378728485
Give the player some mechanics that they can keep in mind throughout the game and try to keep in mind while progressively adding new spins with the already established mechanics and ideas at a healthy pace. Adding completely different gimmicks to maps isn't really good design as it just makes the game feel more puzzle than strategy. Likewise, you want to keep a consistent theme in challenge on a per map basis. Introducing a new skill and making the player try to deal with that in increasingly well made enemy formations is good as it challenges the player in something they can reliably learn in a satisfying pace. Doing completely different builds to try and plan around all in the same map doesn't give the same sense of enjoyment as it just halts your progress to make you completely rethink what you're doing, on top of the worry that if you fuck this up, you'll have to start the whole map over. It's more challenging in an objective sense, but it's not enjoyable in the same way. Some of Conquest's maps follow this sort of philosophy fairly well, but some do kind of tip toe the line while a few may debatably ignore this too much and make for a very unfun first playthrough. When I say Normal difficulty, I simply mean to balance the default difficulty setting this way, and perhaps go crazier on Hard or Lunatic. From the point of view of the average casual player that's keeping the franchise sustained now, you need a welcoming and accommodating Normal difficulty that won't annoy or overwhelm them. Many of the non-/v/ players I know who played the game expressed a lot of frustrating for the later half of the game and admitted to just switching away from Classic mode because they didn't want to have to think so hard just to survive.

As much as /v/ loves to praise Conquest's level of challenge, that's something only a niche amount of the entire fanbase can wholeheartedly enjoy. It's not a design that can sustain the series the way it is now.

>>378729540
because awakening drew in masses that haven't had any interaction with another human being, let alone women, in droves, those people don't play anything for story, just the tits and ass

>>378729818
>just the tits and ass
but its not even good cheesecake

>Muh writing

>"Your station of birth or blood doesn't matter! If you train hard even a lowly farmhand can be a great leader!" - Alm, Prince of Rigel who also gets a super strong magic sword that only he can use because of his royal blood.

>"Hey I have this funny birthmark on my hand and I can pick up this magic sword that no one else can pick up, gosh that's strange haha I sure love being of common birth"

>I started a war so and killed thousands of people on both sides so that my son would grow up strong and kill me

>The real villain is the incredibly obviously evil looking blue gremlin man

>Alm and Celica know each other for like a month or two when they are 10 but are destined lovers or some shit

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>>378730058
>oversimplifying the writing to this extent

>>378730058
>Man walking in desert hallucinates a voice coming from a burning bush

>It tells him not to be evil and shit

>this the most historically significant story in history

Whoa...

>>378729540
>Mass Effect 3 has generally decent gameplay
Yeah knock off gears of war sure was fun. The entire build up for mass effect was that your choices from the other games matter and they fucking didn't. Mass effect's boring cover based shooting isn't going to salvage that.

Conquest was the one advertised has the more classic experience with better maps and difficulty than Birthright and that's what it was. It's not fucking difficult to see the difference

>>378727112
ye. be very careful, or it might steal the hit

>>378730058
Corrin is way worse than anything here.

>>378730816
The Bible is a beautiful thing even in fedora esque simplifications.

>>378730154
If you couldn't figure out Jedah was the villain the instant his sprite popped up or that Alm was royalty from the birthmark on his hand you should need a professional caretaker with you at all times in case you forget how to to breathe.
I'll give you Rigel's motivation were surprising because it's so fucking stupid

Also "muh childhood friend" doesn't really work when the character only know each other for a few weeks and then don't see each other for like 6 years

>>378730997
>That pile of shit smells worse than this one
Corrin being awful does not make Echoes writing good

>>378731416
>expecting characters to have the same knowledge that the player would
you are actually retarded

>>378731518
>Alm gets a magic sword that only royalty can use
>Lol i'm just a commoner
I bet you couldn't figure out Celica was royalty until the game outright told you too

>Half the game is about how birth station doesn't affect skill
>except it actually does
lmao

>>378707357
>The main director fought attempts to put self-inserts in the game and other changes

Truly the hero we deserve

>>378732372
so this is just an ebin shitpost, got ya

>It's silly that everyone keeps on jumping on this train of "new game is out so any game post-FE12 that comes before it is shit". Nostalgia and contradictory opinions run rampant in this place. Games like Genealogy, PoR, SS, Blazing Blade, Binding Blade, etc. have either great story-telling and world-building or great presentation. The gameplay and maps are usually the most unpolished factors of these games, and they are the things that define a game. Yet people keep on sucking them off and bashing the new ones. Awakening was a very experimental game and I agree that most of the new mechanics they tried out in that game were rather unpolished and broken, but Fates as a whole has very polished and well-thoughtout gameplay mechanics and Conquest specifically has some really nicely structured and dynamic maps.

>Of course not all of them are great but they were fun and challenging to play through without being cheap. And let's face it a lot of the difficulty from the hardest mode in FE games tend to stem from enemies being HP sponges or having bullshit skills and stats, but for Fates it's mainly the second thing rather than the first, which is just the cheapest kind of design, so it's more preferable honestly. I will hold Thracia as an exception but even it has some mechanic issues as it was an older game. Gameplay should comes first, not story. Unless you're playing a grindy JRPG that isn't Fire Emblem. Since you spend most of your time in FE playing the chapter maps, they should be the most important aspect to consider when rating FE games.

- anon from /feg/ arguing with /feg/gots.

>>378732495
>factual statements about the games story are shitposting
Try harder kid.

>>378728569
On Alm's side there's a witch that summons witches

>>378732952
you don't have to say it twice

>>378732923

> /feg/got is a faggot

What else is new?

>>378709579
The flames of the holly war

>>378732923
I'm not autistic enough for /feg/ if your post is anything to go by

>>378725350
Everyone agrees the maps are shit, even those that like the rest of the game

>>378732372
>that only royalty can use
That is RUMOURED that only royalty can use.

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>>378725858
>Fernand
>meme character

>>378704609
I can't wait for ridiculous crit rates and capturing thrones with unpromoted Roy.

>>378730058
>weak ass tobin can't lift a GOAT sword
>alm can lift it as he has proven time and time again to be the people's champion regardless of where he was from. Sword wants Alm's dick more than Faye
>WAAAAH ALM IS A ROYALTY MARY SUE BECAUSE HE'S STRONGER THAN TOBIN

Guess I'm royalty too. In fact, everyone except for the /feg/got is now royalty.

I have the amiibos but haven't used them yet. Is that something I want to do asap or wait till later?

>>378734141
>posting meme character with slut character
kek

So what should I do at the forge?
Just level up fucking everything I can afford to?

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>tfw killed Zeke because I didn't know you had to rescue the girl from Nuibaba until I looked it up afterwards
>The townpeople all yell at me
Jesus fucking christ, I don't care if his girl was being held hostage, he still fought me with all his might and that means that yes, I will kill him.
Forced """""""optional"""""" pathing is the worst.

>>378734236
The Alm/Celica amiibo dungeons are hard early on, wait until about Act 3/Act 4 to do them. You get some item drops and a hat from each (not even kidding, Duma's Trial gives you a helmet with plumage and Mila's Trial gives you a circlet)

The other FE amiibos are just 1-turn allies, they have unique music but otherwise aren't worth it.

>>378734575
I appreciate it, thank you!

>>378734524
Clive and Lukas told you that if you took out Nuibaba you would make allies. The beginning dialogue with Jerome and Zeke is a huge flag that Zeke wasn't too keen on fighting for Jerome. You could have backed out of that fight and prevented this.

The only person at fault here is yourself.

>>378734141
>Commoners REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>not a meme character

>>378734698
He was prety stable before his family got killed though. Have you not seen his prism?

>>378734698
I'm sure anyone would act like that after what he went through. I legit felt kinda bad for him when he died in Clive's arms from his wounds from Berkut and [Ring of Fire]

>>378734524
>forced
How is it forced? Or did you expect them going 'yesmilord' after you killed off man they all liked?

>>378734698
Better than any character in Awakening, and i say that as a Awakeningfag

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>infinitely spawning witches that teleport randomly
bing bing fucking wahoo this is great level design am I right gamers

>>378732996
I already did that map, but I think I got lucky with a bug or something because all of the summoned witches were magnetized to Luthier.

Every turn 2-3 of them would teleport to him specifically and do shit all damage, even though I had lower RES units.
I ended up just sticking him in the corner with a healer while everyone else pushed through.

>>378735112
>randomly

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>>378735112
well as long as its sexy witches

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>>378735034
>ring of fire
>mfw that whole deal and consequences

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>>378735480
Well, his Stand is pretty hot. High tier considering her stand user is a tough motherfucker to take down.

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>>378735274
>apparently they only tp to units by themselves
>the deliverance forms a fucking daisy chain
>*teleports behind you
>lukas dies
okay

>>378735624
>watching that dance prism after
Berkut and Fernand can eat shit. Sacrificing your waifu should always be followed by a death penalty.

>>378735818
Generally they teleport either in front or behind your units. Have a unit lag behind and they'll waste their time with him if it's a unit with good res

>>378735818
They actually teleport to the back of your group. I'm pretty sure they have a maximum teleport range as well, so sometimes if you're barely inside it they'll tele to the front of your group.

>>378736032
Fernand didn't deserve to die

Is echoes on the freeshop yet ?

Why does Duma's tower have so much fucking food?

>>378736626
To sustain all the living cult followers when they gather for rituals, I assume.