Why do all fighting games have such a convoluted input system?

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To weed out casuals.

>>378691121
>casuals
>genre is played primarily by children and black people

>>378691003
Well, lots have games have reduced inputs, but often aren't considered very good. SSB is on a lot of people's shitlist for reducing input requirements. And how engaging could a game with only a few commands be in the long term? Lots of the more intense players became that way by enjoying the training process mastering the varied inputs.

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>>378691003
it's stockholm syndrome

FGCucks will never admit how unintuitive and retarded it is because they're in too deep

>>378691353
Smash is a party game.

>>378691696
and it's better than most fighting games

>>378691003
Why don't you write an episode of Extra Credit about it

>>378691003
what anime is this girl from?

>>378691990
Boku no whatever this joke is dead

>>378691003
>lolicuck
>yuru yuri
>shit at games
Kill yourself

i don't get fighting games. i don't fucking get them. i've tried to learn them. i can't do it. i can't do the fucking inputs in a match. i struggle to fucking get the hadouken out consistently in a match. it's fine in a training room but in an actual match there's so much shit i can't do the fucking move JUST DO THE FUCKING MOVE STOP JUMPING STOP MOVING AROUND AND DO THE FUCKING MOOOOOVE

>>378691520
>And how engaging could a game with only a few commands be in the long term?
Potentially just as engaging, if attacks were made more varied in nature and use.

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>>378692085
>anti loli
Umm, you're on the wrong website, sweetie.

>>378691003
>We can progress and move forwards.

How do you propose we do it? A controller only has so many buttons, so how can a character have more moves without special inputs?

What about Jump Kick? That fighting game with 2 inputs. Surely that must be the greatest game of our generation.

>>378691520
>enjoying

>>378691003
>progress
>move forward

How many times did you vote for Obama?

>>378692294
Divekick is better than 90% of fightan that gets talked about on /v/, that's for sure.

>>378692294
divekick was actually fun

>>378691003
>convoluted
>point stick dis way while also pressing red
>WOW SO HARD

>>378692496
I was actually the only one who voted for him, but I was able to stuff the ballots in the entire US. It's me, Barack

what anime is this girl from?

>>378692250
Left and right triggers combined with directional inputs.

>>378692517
>>378692559
Divekick not jumpkick, my mistake. So where's our Divekick 2 turbo edition?

>>378692624
>>point stick dis way
actually it's "make a pretzel shape with your stick while pressing MP LK HK"

Because fighting games are arcady and the depth (convolusion) of fighting games is what the core audience of fighting games wants. Now get some sleep.

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>>378691003
Sounds like you're just bad. I could always do fighting game inputs without even trying. It's not that you suck at fighting games, it's that you suck at life period

Because to do otherwise destroys balance, and we have precedent that that's the case.

Zangief is a skill-based character in the original SF2, because Screw Piledriver did a shitload of damage, but also required a very precise input, you couldn't halfass that 360, it had to be pretty much a perfect 360 movement.

Then the HD version came and the Screw Piledriver was given way more leeway in input, and you know what happened? Zangief ripped half the game apart because suddenly he had a move that was too strong with 0 work behind it.

>>378692294

Most fighting game players love Divekick. And it may only have 2 buttons, but they do entirely different things depending on positioning.

>>378692671

Yuru Yuri, that's a flashback.

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>>378692832
chill out homie, I'm sorry your favorite video games got insulted

>>378692861
is it degenerate to watch Yuri Yuri?

>>378692861
>Because to do otherwise destroys balance
But that's fucking stupid.

So if someone's good at doing the input, they deserve to be unbeatable? That's moronic.

>>378692773

Are you aware of how few moves in all of fighting games uses the Raging Storm input? The move is literally a meme because of that input, it's why they have never changed it in the series.

>>378692945
Well, it IS an anime, so there will always be a certain level of degeneracy.

>>378693008
a rare moment of clarity for FGCucks, however they missed the bigger issue

>>378692974

No because there's supposed to be a risk vs reward factor in these games. A hadouken is really easy to do but barely does any damage. A shoryuken actually does quite a bit of damage but if you whiff or it's blocked, you're left wide open.

>>378692974
Unless some equally or more skilled at the input arrives. You could always practice the input yourself.

>>378692934
I'm not angry with him, i'm just explaining the precise reason why he can't do the inputs. It's not the game, it's him. His genes are inferior to other men, REAL men. He watches while the real man fucks his significant other.

>>378693032
Umaru is not degenerate

>>378691353
>blacks and kids are less casual and the average /v/ anon
For shame.
>>378691003
Only issue is some of them are bullshit to pull off in my experience. I'm ok with half circles and charges. Never liked Double zeta or something (Guile's thing) hate that shit.

>>378693121
>but if you whiff or it's blocked, you're left wide open
So why does this require a stupid input?

>>378692240
This is a cake board now faggot.

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>fighting game tards WILL defend this

>>378693183
Of course! We should start a eugenics program for people who can't do Shoryukens!

>>378691538
name 1 move that has this input

>>378693206
I bet you want to hold her hand you filthy human being.

>>378693427
zangief's super

>>378693397
Shoryugenics?

>>378693397
>Asian, Hispanic and black masterace
>>378693394
Pretty simple compared to pulling off >>378691538

>>378693394
Charge characters were a mistake because I'm too bad to do their inputs.

>>378693267

forward followed by qcf is not stupid, literally anyone with fingers can do this. Fuck there's a guy in the FGC who can't use his arms because of cerebral palsy or some shit and he can still do it using his mouth.

Not every move is Order-Sol's Dragon Install: Sakkai (Killing Realm). In fact the vast majority of moves aren't. Most moves have relatively simple inputs.

>>378693394

Charge moves are even easier to do that inputs. You just don't know the timing to partition a charge.

>>378693509
No

The only people who like fighting games are people who have invested too much time to quit. It's like mobas.

>>378693397
We actually should though. If you can't move a joystick in a very basic way then you're legitimately inferior to other people and have absolute shit hand eye coordination.

>>378693703
I can feel it in your dark soul. I bet you wish you could brush her hair out of her eyes. Sicko

>>378691003
>Convoluted inputs
>Aka i cannot do them.

Complex inputs need to exist to a degree in fighting games. Otherwise they'd have to weaken said attacks they're attached to in order to keep it competitive. At the end of the day any competent person can grasp most move sets and bread and butter combos.

They're a stable for a reason. They help balance stronger moves and also help stock moves. If you take away input based specials you have to put the specials on a single input therefore losing buttons opposed to having a
Light Punch , qcf LP doing a fireball , maybe a qcb LP doing a axe kick. Just examples of multiple moves and normals attached to a button.


I know you're fishing but i still felt like posting anyways. Also i love when people use the word archaic like it inherently means bad or something needs to change. I prefer tried and true to gimmicks.

>>378693771
>he doesn't play rounds with his friends or siblings from time to time
>>378693625
How long do you usually hold charges for it to work anyway

>>378693902
>any competent person can grasp most move sets and bread and butter combos
If you're willing to invest a lot of time. Which non-autistic adults usually aren't.

>>378691353
>Fighting games
>Primarily black.

Nah. Maybe at lower levels of play. But at mid and up you only see a few of them and they act behaved as all hell besides ones like KBrad/Sanford. And if you go outside of Capcom fighters most KOF/GG/Tekken players are white or other.

Id rather hang out with mid level black bros who like fun games then some whiney moba white kids who whine about team comp meta or their teammates every 2 seconds.

>>378693983
>if you're willing to invest a lot of time
If it takes you more than an hour to perfect your fighting game inputs then you genuinely have inferior genes. After that learning and becoming consistent with a BNB combo should take you 13 minutes. It's not that hard, autist

>>378694071
>who like fun games
Oh, so they play stuff other than fighting games?

>>378693983

When did investing in something that actually requires work to get better at instead of just picking up and playing autism? By that logic studying for a test is autism.

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>>378691538
>720
>A bad input

Its intended to be done with a buffer of some sort be it whiffing a jab quickly into it or churning it on something unsafe. You can also do it standing if you're good enough.

Most 720 inputs are grabs that are 1f activation 0f startup aka if you didn't move or jump you get grabbed and lose 50% of your life. The input is warranted if it wasn't that way they'd have to weaken the move alot. Also without it being two circles it would overlap the regular 360 command throws.

In short you're again wrong and bitching because you have awful execution.

>>378691003
cause rock paper scissors gets boring as fuck after a while.

>>378694202
A video game is a leisure-time activity. It's not fucking studying for a test. I don't want to study for a video game.

>>378691003
I suggest you try Fantasy Strike:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jJ8Y02tVbs

>>378694154
>not playing all sorts of games including fighting
Why lock yourselves out to a singular genre or away from a perfectly fine one?

>>378694274
Many people consider learning something that they are interested in as relaxing, or even as a hobby.

>>378694371
>or away from a perfectly fine one?
I don't like it. I don't like anything about it. I don't like its basic fundamentals.

>>378693983
>Skill ceilings are a bad thing
Its funny because normies have fun with fighting games just by face mashing even though they do nothing impressive themselves. So what is wrong with adding depth as a reward to good players who put in the time? You're just some egotistical fag who didn't put in any work so you want a excuse instead of just admitting you suck at a genre relax is fine.

>>378694371
If Dota players do it then so can other genres

I always felt like it was to replicate how you have to practice a move in real life. You're not good at punching right away you have to throw a punch a few hundred times before you are a master at it. Same goes for fighting games you have to practice a lot before being good at it. Is it the best way to approach it maybe not but it certainly is satisfying as hell being able to progress from noob to master.

>>378694395
Okay, so all the autists can relax themselves by practicing DP motions and "BNB combos" in the training grid for hours a day and the normal people can play other games and have fun.

>>378694457
This isn't a skill ceiling, it's a skill floor. You fucking idiot.

>>378694427
Well that's your opinion, do as you wish.

I know it was asked earlier as a joke, but why ISN'T there a Divekick 2 yet?

>>378694274
Ahhh so its the normie thought process. Its only worth effort if its a career or makes you money. Its not worth putting in time to get good at something and enjoy it even more if it nets no $$$?

So cute. And by the way some people enjoy effort. Instant gratification are what movies and TV series and music are for. Games by definition are meant to reward effort. Only the recent generation of fragile egos has tried to purge this because they took up some interest and just interest so it has to come down to only that.

>>378694274
Don't bother playing video games then, go watch TV.

>>378694515
Do you ever intend to become skilled at something? Or are you the type to coast through life never committing to anything?

>>378694686
>reddit spacing

>>378694743
>Don't bother playing video games then
Why? Other video games don't make me study. I don't have to do the same inputs in the tutorial for six hours before the "real fun starts".

>>378694556
I was talking about the application of said skills and tools leading to a high skill ceiling not the existence and learning process of how to perform them friend.

Also cute please just leave. Fighting games will continue to exist. When you cannot even do basic inputs and SFV is designed for you idiots to beat people you'd get slaughtered by in the normal fighting game and you still cannot do a dp consistently its time to quit.

>>378694772
One day you'll win Evo, champ. Just 1000 more hours!

>>378694838
>Fighting games will continue to exist.
thankfully they're dying :)

>>378691003
t. Brainlet

>>378694780
I don't go to reddit but hey as terrible as it is they have 100x better players then /v/ does. The most /v/ has are a few good arena shooter players. Otherwise this board is as low as it gets. A amalgamation of DSPs. All you do is whine and blame when someone is fine the way it is. It cannot be your fault mommy and daddy said you were special right?

>>378694807
If it takes you six hours to be able to throw hadoukens consistently then you're pretty pathetic, like you are legitimately inferior to the average person. It should take you 20 minutes to get special move inputs down

>>378694859
Maybe? At least I will enjoy it. You better take a nap though. You might get tuckered out from too much effort from all this typing.

For casual purposes, I get by well enough in Street Fighter with normal attacks plus the two specials I map to the trigger buttons.

>>378692240
A right-wing activist website?

>>378694807

No, instead most games used to be filled with instant death pits and other bullshit. Games used to not just be hard and require effort to beat, they were unreasonably hard. We got the term artificial difficulty from the NES era, and that started modern gaming.

But then the NES was probably not even relevant anymore when you were born.

>>378694637
I dunno. I didn't hear anything about what Iron Galaxy has been doing since Killer Instinct stuff and I haven't exactly kept up with them. I wouldn't mind Divekick getting a sequel though, the game is fun.

>>378694904
>Dying
>Tekken 7 is about to release with plenty of hype behind it
>KOF has a solid audience even be it smaller then other fightan its consistent
>GG is back with its solid audience right below Smash/SF numbers

Oh because some articles called SFV shit and you buy the whole SF is the FGC meme? I welcome SF dying i play GG and GG has a tournament scene of its own that is going out of its way to have more tournaments for itself since CPT is cancer.

Also its cute you wish for a genre you cannot handle to die. Just like arena shooters i bet. But Quake Champions is solid as fuck and maybe will pick up steam and cause more to appear.

>>378695136
>I didn't hear anything about what Iron Galaxy has been doing since Killer Instinct stuff and I haven't exactly kept up with them.
Doing ports for people, mostly.

>>378694962
I'll kick your ass at Tribes

>The lengths people will go to in order to keep their fragile egos in check.

Some fighters are shit some are good/great the traditional inputs are fine and have nothing to do with this. They're a design tool to make bigger movesets and balance moves that are more powerful then others. Like how Zangiefs command throw is a 360 you can do it in a flick of the finger if you're decent but it takes more frames to input then if it was a qcf for example which would mean it would have to get nerfed for balancing purposes.

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>>378691003
>animenigger is a skilless brainlet
wow really makes you think

>>378695406
>Cannot play fighters
>Plays the meme arena shooter

Cute.

>>378695430
>>The lengths people will go to in order to keep their fragile egos in check.
as evidenced by the FGCucks ITT

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>>378695474
>implying anime has anything to do with this
I like anime and I'm decent at fighting games

fighting game bros
>Am I out of touch?
>No, it's the children who need to get good.

>>378691003
SFV now has this new character called Ed, who's moves are all about mashing buttons, so no more complicated inputs.

In fact, on the new Marvel vs Capcom game there'll be 1 button combos and the dp motion was changed to down,down... It can't get easier than that. This is Smash Bros' territory now.

>>378691003
Can this image of this specific anime girl raising her hand be bannable? I have never seen this picture attached to a post that wasn't garbage

>>378691003
You might like Fantasy Strike

http://www.fantasystrike.com/

Its all about making the right decisions and reflexes like in other fighting games, but you don't need to know any weird inputs. It's actually pretty damn good as a "My First Fighting Game", I seriously recommend it.

>>378693427
One of Old Joseph's grabs from Capcom's JJBA game
It's not a good move, though

>>378696264
But /v/ told me that only good moves have retarded clunky inputs!

>>378694071
>But at mid and up you only see a few of them and they act behaved as all hell
>behaved

I wouldn't wanna hang with you tbqh

>>378691003
So that you'll spend half your time looking up button combos instead of realizing how shitty the game is.

>>378696594
It's true though. The higher up you go in the fighting game community the more behaved they are. I don't know why that's so hard for you to accept

>>378696387
>trusting /v/
And in SFV you can literally mash buttons to get Akuma's raging demon out due to the way the game buffers the inputs
https://clips(doot)twitch(doot)tv/KindLightCucumberTTours
If you look in the input list, you can see how a clean Raging Demon comes out, but when he goes mashing away at his controller the inputs on the left do not match up at all with the clean input

>>378696594
Oh wow another edgy racist. How surprising.

>>378691003
It's to balance the strength of moves, without it you'll have retarded shit like Guile throwing out instant Sonic Booms or Autocorrect DP's like in Rising Thunder.

>>378697343
Did you respond to the wrong post or is this one of those mental gymnastics /pol/ loves doing?

>>378698352
>Hurr durr black people can never behave themselves
>Not racist
Okay kid. I'm probably getting baited right now but whatever.

>>378696750
>this is exclusive to one group of people

There's rachet-tier shitheads and decent people at all levels of play in various competitive communities, homie.

>>378698656
>this shit reading comprehension

How about you re-read what I said, because that's entirely the opposite of what I was saying.

>>378695532
Still salty about losing redditfag?

>>378698912
Only low level blacks throw disruptive temper tantrums when they lose or get salty for whatever reason. You don't see that kind of behavior in other races and even other blacks at high levels. They're also violent and smell weird. To be fair, Smash kiddies smell weird as well but the other qualities are exclusive to lower level street blacks.

>>378691003
Because a group of people who don't make the games have put a stranglehold on the definition of a "fighting game" so that only those kinds of games "count" as such

>>378692118
If you can't do the moves in a real match it means you haven't committed the motion to your muscle memory. It shouldn't take more than a week of practice for 15 minutes a day to get it down. If you still can't do it, you might be retarded.

>>378692702
This.
The game then becomes an actual fight against the opponent and not against the controls themselves.

Just look at any action game out there. God of War has tons of moves that are quick to be used in addition to some buttons not even making attacks.
You get 4 face buttons, 2 triggers, 2 shoulders, 4 directions and their combinations. This totals for 256+ possible moves and that's not even counting 3 button combinations (such as holding both triggers).

>>378699352
>I personally only see low skilled [insert group here] doing this, therefore it's entirely true and definiately not anecdotal evidence or internal bias

K bro. Like I said, I wouldn't wanna hang with you and I better not know you.

>>378691003
How fucking often are you going to remake this fucking thread? I swear you've been doing it since at least last year. Don't you have something better to do?

>>378700028
>Falling for really really obvious bait
I even put the smell weird thing in there so it would be even more obvious. I guess black people are stupid after all. Single mother?
Hahahaha

ARMS will save fightan.

Literally punch to punch. Can't get less convoluted than that.

>NOT REEAL FIGHTING
It's not the arcade days anymore. We can progress and move forwards :^)

>>378691003
>Why do all fighting games have such a convoluted input system?
They don't. Learning moves is the easiest part of fighting games. Learning how to effectively use normal moves, block, and whiff punish is far harder for most new people. I'm not sure why so many people get hung up on inputs and combos when they are so low level they can be beat by someone just using normal moves because of how little they understand about the game.

>>378700171
Op gets fucking exposed for the pathetic fag that he is LMAOOO

>>378700028
Don't attack us with your katana please I have a family to feed

why does everyone complain about motions when it's link timing that's the real wall for new players?

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>>378700183
>l-lol I was just trolling! H-haha!

Trolling and shitposting are the same thing, anon.

>>378691003
>We can progress and move forwards.
We CAN.

But do we need or have to?

>>378700754
How does this disprove what I said? You still fell for it. I feel bad for your white teachers who had to put up with you.

>shitposter still farming for (you)s
>doesn't know about reddit where he can farm for points and gold if he tries hard enough

What a sad existence.

>>378692974

You are retarded

>>378691003
If you can learn them it feels real natural, kinda like a rhythm game with self expression.

>>378702258
it's so much sweeter to farm (you)s off of salty fgcucks though

>>378703943
Go back to r*ddit of you want to farm karma. (You)s aren't the same thing.

>>378691003
Personally I just blow ass at pressing the inputs in the moment, and sometimes in practice. My thumb keeps slipping when I try and hit precise directions. I tend to do better button mashing just because I don't need to remember the exact input (pressing buttons vaguely in the direction of a correct input) while focusing on the opponent. I tend to do better just doing basic attacks. I still get stomped by more-practiced folks and people who like to play shit like Bridget.

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so easy to get youvotes off fighting game cuckolds (or FGCucks for short) tbqh

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>>378691003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A

It's always PCbros who make these threads
I assume because of the Tekken release on steam.

>>378704363
>(You)s aren't the same thing.
correct, they're better

any simp can click a button on a post, it takes real frustration and rage to type out an angry reply

>>378706164
>a guy calling you a scrub/nigger is enough to justify your (You) hunt
If that's your threshold for anger then I wonder how you climax over a legit rant.