>Bullet damage decreased by 33% >can no longer one-shot

PLEASE BE JOKING I MAIN HOG

Just do what I'm gonna do and play reaper.

Oh wow, making the game even more bland than it already is.

McCree
Deadeye Targets now begin locking on after 0.2 seconds, instead of 0.8 seconds Damage accumulated over the first 1.0 seconds increased from 20 to 80 (damage per second after the first 1.0 seconds is unchanged)
Developer Comment: McCree’s ultimate can deal a lot of damage if it has a lot of time to build up, but it was often too difficult to get even a small amount of damage out before being stopped or killed. These changes make it more flexible and powerful.
Reaper
The Reaping (Passive) Removed health orbs
Now regains 20% of all damage done to heroes as health
Developer Comment: Reaper’s old healing passive was useful if you could kill a bunch of enemies in a row. But since enemies needed to be dead for it to work, it wasn’t very helpful unless the situation was already in your favor. His new passive lets him get immediate benefit from it, especially when fighting Tank heroes, which tend to be larger targets that deal lower damage.
Roadhog
Head hitbox size reduced by 20%
Scrap Gun
Bullet damage decreased by 33% Fire rate increased by 30%
Clip size increased from 4 to 5
Developer Comment: Roadhog’s head was abnormally large compared to similarly-sized characters, so we’re reducing its size to increase his survivability. The Scrap Gun changes reduce the power of his hook combo and alternate fire burst damage potential while still keeping his DPS roughly the same.

Then why were you playing Reddit: The Game if you hate reddit so much?

>>378671681
>Heals 20% of damage
At least now he'll have no excuse for staying out of team fights but I wonder how long it'll last

Good. Nerf him to shit.

Why do you people even play Blizzard games when you know they have no idea how to fucking balance shit? In another year everyone will be doing half of their current damage because they just nerf everything into oblivion.

33% decrease in damage seems a tad excessive, but I don't play Roadhog much so I don't know for sure. Will the hook combo still be able to kill squishies like that?

More importantly, what's that going to do to the Roadhog/Reaper interactions with the increased fire rate taken into account?

>>378671442
rip my favorite tank

i guess i can only play healer now

>>378671442
What the hell does reddit have to do with this lmao

>>378671841
>>378671442
>my main man mcree buffed
>roadhog can't 1shot half the cast every 8 seconds
thank fuck

>>378671442

can they PLEASE stop fucking up all the characters just because some faggot sucks at the game and can they PLEASE stop kiking us by trying to get people to buy loot boxes?

he was pretty busted fampai

tbqh, they should just keep buffing all of roadhog's counters. If you keep nerfing everything that's broken you end up with a neutered game where meta heroes are only ever viable and everything else is shit like LoL.

>>378672290
No, he can't combo anymore without getting incredibly lucky.

>>378672442
>coming from a main that can 2 shot half the cast indefinitely.

>>378672610
This guy knows what's up.

>>378671442
He was already bottom tier for high level players, he didn't need this.

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What the fuck is Blizzard's deal with nerfing one character and buffing others? DVA and ROADHOG are now two useless characters.

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>Decrease in damage
>Already cannot hit half the crew due to tiny fucking hit boxes
>Still reloads forever

Oh boy cant wait.

>>378672887
What did they do to Dva? I haven't played since before Orisa came out but was thinking of coming back and Dva was my tank main.

Source of the changes?

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>>378671442
This is yet another Roadhog buff you idiot.
Fire rate increased by 30%
Clip size increased from 4 to 5
Head hitbox size reduced by 20%

The only "nerf" is this

>Bullet damage decreased by 33%

That means the bullets will do 6 damage each and there are 25 pellets in a shot so 6 x 25 = 150.
But don't forget hook does 30 damage and melee also does 30 damage, 150 + 30 + 30 = 210 which is still and insta kill on every hero minus tanks and I havent even accounted for headshot damage which you shouldnt miss because the hook targets get put right of you.

>>378671841
Good, now Roadhog needs to use his hook to pull people into his team's range, not as a solo "lol-i-kill-u" button

>>378671442
>can no longer one-shot
now you have to learn to play bitch

>overwatch

>>378673028
They lowered her armor to like 200, making it so that she loses her mech pretty easy, causing players to play half the time trying to regain their mech. With that rate you're better off just dying quickly to gain your tank again.

How about his hook doesn't stun if used within 5ish feet.

jsut copy tutryle boi
hes only good because of his repositioning being vital

>>378671637
>>378671442
>>378671772
in all fairness tanks are not supposed to be killing machines like he is. no other tank can fuck up offense players like he can, which is supposed to be the defensive chars job

>that Reaper buff
I love babysitting Reapers and Meis.

>>378671442
If you depend on one shotting people who can't react YOU are the reddit

Hog nerfs and the removal of scatter arrow will make this a game of skill, not shitters randomly one shotting people when the netcode lines up for them.

>>378673216
Oh and I forgot to mention that even if you do
gain your mech back, you are not invincible while entering back into your mech making it REALLY FUCKING EASY to lose your god damn mech as soon as you get it back, like instantly. >>378673028

>>378671442

good, he's shit and so are you

>>378672683
There is a WORLD of difference between killing people as Mcree compared to Roadhog

One requires aim and skill.

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When the fuck is Widow's ult going to get an update where her outline disappears?

What about Genji

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>>378673216
>>378673361
Welp, guess I could just play McCree 24/7 again. What are the chances of Blizzard ever giving us custom server options where we could roll back some of this retardation?

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>>378671442
>need two shots to kill fucking anyone
ITS OVER BLIZZARD IS FINISHED!

>>378673273
It's just that Roadhog has no ability to protect his teammates. All he does in that regard is be a fat ult battery for the enemy team. He's completely useless in a tank role. Some Overwatch characters are bound to be at odds with one another and Reaper and Roadhog have this ebb and flow going on.

Really like the Reaper change,cant wait to play him.
Any changes to Rein?

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>>378673529
They have arcade mode for that in case you didn't know, where you can create custom game servers, but you don't gain XP from it.

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>Roadhog gets nerfed
>MY NIGGA REAPER GETS BUFFED

Not only does Junkrat not kill himself anymore but Reaper has actual lifesteal now. I might have to come back to play this every once in a while.

>>378673669
No. They buffed Reaper, buffed McCree's ult, and made adjustments to Roadhog. That's it. New map, though.

>>378672920
>can't hit people

Holy shit how can you possibly be this bad with a 1 hit kill weapon and hook?

>>378673753
I hate that clever games are nearly impossible to find. Everything is either boss fight or no cooldown clusterfucks.

>>378673216
Dva wasn't nerfed, she was way too powerful when over half her health was armor. She has two defensive abilites: a shield that blocks almost everything and boosters that get her out of danger quickly. She's a tank, you're meant to be supporting teammates anyway.

>>378673273
>in all fairness tanks are not supposed to be killing machines

Where'd you learn this truism? Extra Credit?

>>378673532

source?

>>378671442
It will get reverted in a week max.
How can redditors, the game's primary audience, enjoy the game without 0 skill guaranteed kill abilities?

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>>378671681
Sounds good!

>>378674062
Boku Girl

>>378673927
Why even have DPS roles in the game if a 600hp character can do more damage then any of them?

The only DPS that even came close to roadhogs output was pre-nerf soldier using his rocket. But of course we can't have DPS classes doing damage to the poor no aim tank/heal casuals, so he was nerfed so the baby reddits can hide safely behind their shields.

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>>378673104
All I know is that's 33% less damage you're doing to reinhardts shield shield with every shot, and with the new orisa shield buff I'm afraid of a new barrier meta.

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> Reaper: His passive healing skill, “The Reaping,” now lets the character turn 20 percent of all damage done to other heroes as health points. The skill also no longer uses health orbs, which Reaper previously collected from downed enemies.

>Deadeye: Targets now begin locking on after 0.2 seconds, instead of 0.8 seconds.
Damage accumulated over the first 1.0 seconds increased from 20 to 80 (damage per second after the first 1.0 seconds is unchanged).

>Roadhog: head hitbox reduced in size
>Bullet damage decreased by 33%.
>Fire rate increased by 30%.
>Clip size increased from 4 to 5.

>Oni Genji and Officer D.Va added to regular lootboxes as legendary skin chance

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>>378674070
They probably will, somebody high up at Blizzard is a obviously a Roadhog main.

But that would make it the SECOND time in a row they backtracked on a needed hog nerf.

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>>378674075
>Jizzdragon

>>378674196
Dive comp shits all over shields. Less Roadhog means more Winston, Genji, and Tracer.

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YES

ROADHOG PLAYERS

SEND ME YOUR TEARS

YOU CHEESY UNSKILLED FUCKNUGGETS

OH NO LOOKS LIKE YOU'LL FINALLY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO AIM

HAHAHAHHAHA FUCK YOU

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>>378671841
>Head hitbox size reduced by 20%

I can't be the only one who thought of this

>>378674196
>Orisa Buff
source?

>>378672479

m8 that's literally what this game is designed from the ground up to do.

Jerk off casuals into thinking they're hot shit and contributing, and egging them on into buying lootcrates. Everything else is just window dressing.

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>>378674397
loading tears now.
standby for delivery.

>>378674291
Does the healing work when he's ulting?

>>378674075
>vapegod
>leave_me_alone

>>378674397
roadhog was chaotic good

you will reap what you've sown

>>378674534
yes, it says any damage he deals

>>378671442

Meanwhile, Hanzo's arrows still have gigantic big boxes and do a shit ton of damage

>>378674405
Orisa recharges her barrier faster and deals less damage compared to her launch, sweetie.

>>378674195
Why does the role matter so much to you? He's a "tanky ""DPS"" if you need to put a label on him to understand him. Heroes in Overwatch are mostly not designed to be interchangeable, and the classifications don't mean that every hero in the category performs the same function.

>>378673450
McCree is hitscan, Roadhog is projectile. Yeah, Roadhog definitely takes more skill and aim to master.

>>378671442
ONE TRICK PONIES BTFO

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>tfw you reflect a headshot right back into Widow's face
私のクソなディック

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>Fixed a bug preventing Genji’s sound effects from playing if he used his primary attack immediately after a Swift Strike.

>>378674398
FEMINISM IS AWESOME

WHERES THE FUCKING SOURCE LMAO

>>378674801
>I pressed E and got rewarded when the other player actually has to aim I'm so skill based check my Naruto name.

>>378672479
>walking along with 200hp
>roadhogs M2 insta kills me

Hmm yes, I need to "get good"

I bet you think scatter arrow kills are "skilled" despite it being totally random if the netcode lets the flak hit them or completely dodge it.

>>378674397
>High HP but no Shield/Armor
>Really large target, ult battery for enemy team
>Ultimate really only good for pushing enemies away
>Hook easily counterable if you've got a Zarya/stay behind shields
>Now remove the one fucking good thing he has

It's garbage. Blizzard once again practicing "Daddy can I be OP now?" balance philosophy.

>>378671442
fuck you faggot, I'm so glad that happened

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>>378671442
ROADHOG MAINS TEARS ARE THE MOST DELICIOUS TEARS I SWEAR

God fucking shit I love these changes. I can hear the anguished cries of not being able to oneshot hooked targets anymore echo through the internet. Im almost getting a semi out of the excitement. No more BS assasssins with 600hp and a selfheal!

>>378671442
>much faster firing speed
>extra round
>head hit point is pharah tier now
He is a much better scrapper and can put out more 2 shot kills faster and easier then before. He just cannot delete someone if he lands a hook.

>>378671442
haha, so what now can he do?

hook something he can't kill anymore?

heal damage that will just get shredded?

wait for his hook to CD to use for....nothing again?

and his ult, which can't really kill anything, is useless against something with a shield and just pushes away things like a leaf blower. can we just change the sound effect to that?

oh, and has recoil that someone as bigguy as him should be able to fucking handle

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You have 5 seconds to declare the new META team go!

Was going to do my placements mids june but I guess Ill do them now since I main roadhog.

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>Fixed a bug that allowed enemy players to detect Sombra (while Stealth was active) if they were within a certain distance.

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>>378674923
Cry more.

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>>378674740
>Yeah, Roadhog definitely takes more skill and aim to master.


lmao

L
M
A
O

>>378673328
>removal of scatter arrow

The one hit kill hitbox for scatter is barely larger than just getting a regular headshot.

>>378674931
you sound like a bad player if you cant dodge RH's m2 lol

>>378674705
>Wahh I want to hit hard but I don't want to die in one hit either.

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I cry sad tears, but i main rein so I wont be so gimped to learn a new tank.

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>>378675057
>I main roadhog

>>378675165
>wah i dont want to play smart i want to walk straight forward and never die!

>>378674196
But you forgot that he gets 5 shots instead of 4 and also shoots faster.

Before he would do 900 damage in 4 shots.

Now he does 750 damage in 5 faster shots which is still very good and you also have other teammates who can shoot the Rein or Orisa shield.

Or you could do what >>378674385 said and run dive against barrier heavy opponents.

>>378674923
You have to aim your reflections, too.

>"maining" in an fps

how retarded can you be?

>>378671841
cool, now reaper is like playing UT with that vampire mutator

>>378671442
>playing rein
>idiots always try to walk around behind enemys looking for LEET POTG XD
>roadhog picks em off one by one
>omg when are they nerfing hog
RIP old friend casuals kill another character

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Why do shotguns one hit kill?

>>378675134
Prove me wrong. How does hitscan take more skill and aim than projectile? You literally point, click, win.

>>378674195
It's a trade. Hog has no movement options and no damage mitigation for his team. He's designed to work like a terminator and be terrifying. You're supposed to gang up on him, his weakness against multiple enemies is what balances him.
I don't think he'll be useless, but I am disappointed his presence won't be as intimidating anymore

>>378674195
>>378674705

The big problem was trying to shoehorn heroes into specific categories in the first place, when "Tank" never made sense for most of them to begin with.

Something like "Bruiser" makes infinitely more sense and would cause much less "B-BUT MUH DPS CAN'T BE OUTDAMAGED BY A TANK!"

>>378673450
And it takes a special kind of lack of skill to not be able to kill a fuck huge target like roadhog.

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>these balance changes
>D.va mains on the Official OW forums still crying since her nerf

>>378675347
i play roadhog all the time and get all golds, you don't aim shotguns you dumb nigger

>>378675230
God youre dumb.

>>378675328
>idiots always try to walk around behind enemys looking for LEET POTG XD

that doesnt work in Masters and above what are you talking about "casuals"

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>>378675230
Is this a threat or a compliment?

>>378671442
Lmao lets not punish solo heroes that fuckin flank all day by having a hard counter to players who are out of position

Blizzard is fuckin dumb

>>378675202
>tfw Reinhardt will literally always be useful
damn it feels good to be a big blue rectangle

>>378675491

What nerf did she got? She was already shit to begin with. I'm still baffled with seeing her so often now-a-days.
Her, Tracer and Winston. They still seem as useless like they were when the game was released.

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>>378674934

>I CAN'T LITERALLY 1 SHOT ALMOST ANY CHARACTER WITH 0 COMMITMENT OR RISK AT LONG RANGE

oh no the horror

you'll have to actually... AIM? And HIT.. the target right in front of you?

You mean daddy Blizzard won't line up my shots for me? I don't get free kills and guaranteed headshots? WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH ;_;

Fuck you. Learn to play.

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>People on /v/ still play this game
>This thread will get to 400+ posts

>>378672290
you can one hit kill anyone with both primary fire and ult fire if you headshot, it does 200 damage

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>yfw environment hook kills will now increase 300%

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>>378674923
>I pointed and click at big hitboxes from across the map, I deserve to insta kill 60% of the roster

>>378675461
Why are you so obsessed with the roles though? It's not like WoW where every party must be 1/1/3 or whatever or that that the game is forcing you to somehow adhere to arbitrary roles. They're more for sorting purposes.

Point is that Roadhog shits on bad players and people who get triggered for having misplays punished. If they changed him to Attack or any other class you'd just whine about that or something else, when your real problem is that you get real salty when you get hooked and know it's your fault.

>>378675254
Which you still need to be at either 1. melee range for left click or 2. that pixel perfect position for all the pellets at alt fire to hit

Unless the enemy is standing still and not returning fire, you are rarely hitting the full damage

>>378675683
I meant her nerf way back when the Triple Tank Meta was still a thing

scatter arrow and deflect nerf when?

>>378675719

Tim is a fucking liberal cuck.
Don't ever post his face in this board ever again you asshole

I fucking hate reinhardt so much.
>NO NERF ALL OTHER TANKS WE NEED OUR PERMANENT BARRIER WALL MAN TO BE THE ONLY META TANK
FUCK YOU REINHARDT

>>378675563
Who in masters or above complained about roadhog?or that im even talking about masters?Im talking about a character meant to shut idiots down getting nerfed BECAUSE of idiots.L2R

>>378675498
You're not proving me wrong here. Hitscan takes less skill and aim than projectile.

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>>378675719
>>People on /v/ still say 'People on /v/ still play this game.'

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>>378672920
>Already cannot hit half the crew

>>378674880
Did he really say that?

>>378675859
>triggered /pol/dditor
lmao

>>378673273
>tanks are not supposed to be killing machines

do you even know what a tank is.

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Why are they still fucking with Roadhog when this bitch needs a nerf asap?

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WHY IS NO ONE DISCUSSING DEADEYE CHANGES

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>378671442
Finally you can actually play 200hp heros you fucking cool dude

>>378675421
>he's weak if multiple people attack him at once
You mean just like everyone else?

>>378671851
he needs a rework of his kit, as it stands right now both his abilitys are clunky and unfun to use

>>378672147
well, the tanks might anyhow. the problem is half the cast sit at 200-250 hp, while others sit at 500+, and balancing damage around that is hard

>>378675801
Roadhogs M2 and Hanzos scatter shot are not "punishing bad players"

They're rewarding bad players with RNG one shot kills, and the fact they're still in the game s a testament to how Blizzard panders to completely awful players.

>>378674934
You have 600 HP + a 300 HP heal + a stun that pulls people into optimal range as hog. Two ranges in which you can fight in effectively as well during that time.

If you can't kill a 200 HP hero while having three times the HP as they do while still outdamaging them per shot, you need to git gud.

>>378676045
>RNG

The salt is fucking real.

>>378675982
Hopefully because everyone agrees it's a good thing and there's no controversy there

>>378675801

>Why are you so obsessed with the roles though?

I'm not, in fact I'm arguing against them because fucking idiot casuals see the word "Tank" and instantly have a predisposed idea of exactly what that character should be capable of, and anything that goes outside of that mold in the slightest is an affront to god and his creation.

> If they changed him to Attack or any other class you'd just whine about that or something else, when your real problem is that you get real salty when you get hooked and know it's your fault.

Way to completely misread my post shit for brains.

>>378674428
I loved tf2 early on and I hate valve for doing this to tf2 and setting a precedent.

>>378675636
I'll just let it happen. When team dive comp #526 is dominating the meta and everyone has to go dive comp or be branded a griefer and reported for it.

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>>378675980

>phara
>nerfed

So you want her to not be picked ever?
her rockets are slow as fuck and the splash damage is incredibly short.
Not to mention she having mid hp and being the hero with the biggest counters in the entire game.

Literally anyone can counter her. Not only that, her missiles are so slow that any dva can pretty much block any shit phara throws.

Hell, phara ulti is probably one of the most useless now
Nerfing her would make her even less popular than zennyata

>>378676045
>Roadhog's M2 being in any way on the same level as Hanzo's scatter arrow
Maybe you'll have a point once they make it so all the pellets scatter around walls or explode like an orbital cannon.

>>378675982
Because he still is pretty shit with how massive his damage falloff is

>>378675879
>OUR PERMANENT BARRIER WALL MAN TO BE THE ONLY META TANK
D.va is still two tiers above Reinhardt and Zarya still exists
Stop being garbage.

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Phara's tits are too big, please nerf

>>378674195
because your entire team can't be roadhog and even when it could it wasn't the meta because of his limited range and effectiveness.

>>378676224
So label them "Bruisers" and people would cry because they recognise the term from League and try to equate it to Overwatch. Then they'd cry because Bruiser means something else to them.

Tank = tanky heroes. It's that simple.

>>378676045
ill give you hanzos scatter that shit is crazy sometimes even for a tank but your telling me road whos locked into an animation where he can miss and die or even if he does land it can get interrupted by so many things and still die is the same as hanzo scatter?cmon dude

>>378675806
?
What are you talking about mate hitting a rein or orisa shield is fucking easy and don't talk say stuff like pixel perfect position because you just need to aim at the huge unmissable shield and press right click. Or are you some butthurt Roadhog shitter that claims he takes skill to use.

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>>378674075
>Foreskindemon

>>378671442
He can still one shot, it was another of those "Reworks" that ended up being a straight buff.
Blizzard is incompetent

>>378675980
fuck of console fag

>>378673273
Funny you say that considering Hog is a defense hero.

How does a dps win a 1 v 1 with reaper at close range now?

>>378676461

Half of those are joke names.

>>378675890
>Who in masters or above complained about roadhog

Absolutely no one. I played mostly Lucio in masters and I never got hooked because Im not a shitter and I know how to avoid it.

>>378674880
>>378675959
Not that character, but a different one did

However, the retards at /v/ take it out of context all the time. The quote is said when the character kills another female character. It's a fucking joke

>>378672887
Dva is still the most effective tank, and used in "pro" matches.
Don't talk about a game if you're bronze

>>378675890
Pretty much a consensus in the pro scene that Roadhog is a tad too powerful. This changes will put him in line with the rest of the roster.

>>378676583
You learn how to do math.

>>378673529
You think you do?

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>>378676583
headshots

>>378676438

>Tank = tanky heroes. It's that simple.

No, they see the word tank and automatically equate that to WoW/MMO tanks where they're not supposed to do a lot of damage. The idea of a tank being allowed to kill people regularly is insulting to them for that reason.

I still say that the labels were a mistake in the first place and never should have existed past the earliest betas.

>>378674880
>>378675959
fags keep taking it out of context
he thanks feminism because it allows him to kills more females

>>378675157
Where do people get this kind of information?

>>378676146
Everyone except roadhog mains agrees that roadhogs changes are good too.

>>378676442
You shitting me? Do you realize how little damage alt fire does when it's not at that perfect range where the pellets explode? Even fucking Mercy can outdamage Roadhog if those pellets dont hit the shield at that exact point.

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>>378676716
who said this,where?what 'pros'

>>378671442
Are changes live?

>>378676841
By playing the game.

>>378676786
Who cares what they think? If that's the case they can play a round and learn that they were wrong. The labels are helpful for sorting the heroes and while I'm sure you think the sheeple around you don't understand anything, I believe that if you can figure it out so can they.

>>378676858
now they cant play on easy mode

>>378676964
test server

>>378676501
So can a Widowmaker and she's hitscan and from across the map.

>>378675859
hi sam, don't you have some trannies to fuck?

>>378671442
It's beeeyootiful

>>378675859
hi Sam Hyde

>>378671848
This

>playing leftist-addled trite
>ever

Shiggy diggy

>>378677053
Hitting a tiny head strafing left-right, while every form of damage disturbs your aim and vision is equal to a hook with the hitbox of a truck.

Ok mr.silver shitter.

How come genji never gets nerfed?
like majority of games genji gets the potg
is the most mobile hero but has more health than tracer, could at least have 150
Or a slower wind up/slower swing rate on his ultimate so you'd have to aim rather than swing wildly.

>>378676716
Roadhog doesn't even exsist in the "pro-scene"

Therefore, we can conclude that the reason hog got nerfed is because of shitters crying. If you are plat or above and you still got hooked you should jump of a bridge.

>>378676935
you said noone in masters/gm complained about roadhog

i was pointing out that its not the "casuals fault" that roadhog was balanced

>>378677289
The hook is still a projectile and can be dodged. The point is that being able to one hit kill is utterly meaningless since other characters can theoretically do the same.

>>378677315
>complaining about Genji
Literally just go Torbjorn, Symmetra, Zarya, or Winston and Genji is fucked.

>>378677349
Road is pretty effective vs Dive but you're right, Dive is totally dominating both on attack and defend.

But basically top500 plays, Roadhog is/was a monster.

>>378671442
Mercy mains rejoice!

>>378677315
His ult got nerfed once.

>>378677524

Replace torb with Mei.
Torb isn't a very good counter against Genji.

>>378677636
Torb really isn't good against anything.

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>>378674291
>Oni Genji added to lootboxes
Welp, there goes the novelty.

>>378677315
Because Genji has only ONE way to play, and once you understand that he is pure shit.

All he can do against good players is shoot his stupid daggers from max range, press his invulnerability button, and hop around until he gets his ult.

>>378677349
Hog is however one of the best characters to climb in the ranks with, because hes so self sufficient. Most pros will say that hes a good char to pick for that purpose alone.

Reaper's buff is stupid. Soul globes was an interesting mechanic. If they wanted to buff him they should have made the globes go from 50 to 100 hp.

>>378676419
>too big
No such thing.
Also
>draw korra
>add Eye of Horus tattoo
>call her pharah

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Not sure what the point of playing Roadhog is now. If he can't kill enemies after hooking them then why the fuck would he be played? If anything the enemies can just kill you instead since you're putting yourself in range.

>>378677735

He is good against clueless pharas
But then again, anything can counter phara

>>378677924
I agree on that. But self sufficient characters will always be like that.

I do not deny that Hog was a crutch character to reach easy plat, but like I said, if you are plat or higher then any problems you have with hog is because of your own incompetence.

>>378677552
Reaper being back is a bigger problem for Mercy mains, but it's sort of a double-edged blade. He counters Winston, but he also screws with Mercy. McCree's buff is really good for Mercy. McCree/Mercy is a good duo.

>>378678115
Spoken like a true 1-trick hog

>>378677539
not so sure about that hes more of a ult charge at top 500
>>378677924
that doesnt really mean he needs a nerf thats more of "shit team plat" match

>D.va critbox is fine the size it is, stop complaining
>Oh no, we made Roadhog's critbox too big, let's reduce it

Honestly hope Jeff is caught in some terrible PR mess and loses his job.

>>378677974
If you have even a semi coordinated team they are going to burst down your target once they are there. Roadhog still excels at fucking team comps because hooking away important characters. Just because he doesn't make Reaper fucking worthless now doesn't mean he's bad. Are you god damn forgetting his 30% RoF and ammo increase? Now Hog is better in straight firefights on stop of being able to Hook high-value targets away from their team.

>>378677974
You can now play him like Reaper but without the mobility and a very crappy ult.

>>378678361
Roadhog doesn't have an instant skill that lasts 4 seconds that negates fucking everything in the game.

>>378678115
Honestly even if you don't have problems with Hog, you can't say his design is remotely good though. Hes needed a nerf simply because his kit was way too ridiculous.

>>378672290
He shoots 30 percent faster and has one more shot in his mag. It just makes it so that hook isn't as much of a death sentence. If road has team with him they could just shoot the hooked guy to still insta gib.

>>378678410
So the only way to play Roadhog now is if your team plays pro-style and all travels together like a roman phalanx at all times. In public games this happens exactly 0% of the time.

>>378678115
He has a bullshit character design whether you like it or not. 600 HP. 1-shots any non-tank in a 20 meter radius every 8 seconds. If he misses, he can STILL 1-shot any squishy. Can heal 300 HP on a cooldown. His only weakness is that he's an ult battery, and he can mitigate that by playing around hook and staying 20 meters away from targets.

>>378678510
Yeah he does. It's a stunning hook that literally stops attacks from happening.

>>378678510
Neither does d.va.

>>378678410
If you want to burst down the enemy, you wouldn't be picking Roadhog in the first place.

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>>378678306
And here is a example of the dumb shitters I am talking about.

If Craphog is anything else then a ulti battery for you then you shouldn't even be allowed too talk here.

>>378678724
>le ult battery meme
Good hogs don't walk right up to you and hook you; they play around corners and stay away. Meme all you want, your easy mode ticket for climbing is fucked.

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>lol just dodge the hook guys :^)
>get hooked through a fucking wall on the replay

Fuck Roadhog, glad your shit aussie got nerfed.

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>>378678314
>not so sure about that

>>378678843
Deny it all you want shitter.

>Good hogs don't walk right up to you

And good people don't get hooked in the first place, because they are aware of their position and the position of the largest and fattest faggot in this game.

>>378678854
That shit hasn't happened outside of rare bugs nowadays. When the fuck did you last play?

>>378675217
I dont have to worry what my team picks cause I can make a fight 6 v 5 and can heal myself.

>>378679002
Last time I played Lucio like a week ago and was wallgrinding around a corner in Dorado.

>>378679001
>good people don't get hooked
Oh that's why hog has 0 usage in anything above plat, right? Because
>good people don't get hooked xD

fuck you and im glad your cheap easy mode ticket out of gold was reasonably nerfed

>>378679001
Good players never die and never miss and they are always perfect in their every action. Are you a bad player anon? Show me your accuracy average, if it is below 100% you're honestly a massive scrub.

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>>378674801
>My shitty dick
what did he mean by this?

>>378678635
>Defense Matrix

>>378678634
To a singluar target, Defense Matrix can block everything and anything that's thrown at it for 4 entire seconds. 76, Reaper, and Pharah can all be Ulting at D.Va and Defense Matrix will eat everything for free.

>>378678681
Literally what are you even saying, Roadhog's high burst damage in conjunction with his long range hook is why he made Reaper worthless.

>>378674923
That guy did what the sniper did, at the same time as baiting her and not using a scope to help long distance aiming.

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>>378671442


>All the Roadhog one tricks on suicide watch cause they can't play anything else.

>The sound of all Roadhog mains deranking

That Reaper buff makes my nipples hard.

>>378679001
>good players don't die guys! Good players don't ever show their faces ever because they know if they exist hog will hook them or they'll get shot or something!

shitter

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This patch is an example of how NOW to balance a game like Overwatch: removing interesting mechanics for the sake of averaging numbers.

Reaper having to collect souls to regain health was INTERESTING. Roadhog being a clunky fuck but could one-shot you if he caught you was INTERESTING. McCree having an ultimate all-or-nothing instakill shot was INTERESTING. Now the game is slightly more normalized, but is also LESS interesting.

This is what happens when you have too many devs who have spent too many years working on games like World of Warcraft. There is too much of an urge to take X, Y and Z and turn them all into X.

>>378679134
>Roadhog in plat or above
>while Winston exsists

Stop talking.

>>378679216
Ofcourse I die to Hog hooks. But everytime I do, it is because I am out of position or make another mistake which get's punished as it should be.

You fags will never stop with this shit untill nothing can properly punish you anymore because you're shit at the position game.

>hook isn't working anymore after getting hooked and then moving behind a wall
>can't one shot anymore
Blizzard hate fun?

>>378679272
Can't block beams. Can't block non projectile ults. Stop saying everything because that's a lie. Hook can stop ults instead of eating them. Hog can effectively do just as much to stop an attack by stun.

>>378679556
>hog is only used to counter winston

get nerfed, bitch

>>378679603
Play widow if you want to 1 shot.

>>378679603
>wow it was fun for me so everyone else should just suck it up and get onshot every 8 seconds so i can have fun

no they like fun, thats why they removed it because it felt like fucking shit getting hooked

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>>378671442

Good, the fat fuck doesn't need damage ontop of a self heal, stun, and range. He shouldn't have an alt fire to start with anyway.

>>378679451
Collecting Souls would have been fine if they stuck around for any degree of time. However, once someone died, they wouldn't last too long and eventually poof all together.

Hog one shotting people was always shitty. It was like having a sniper who could one shot anyone within 20 meters without having to aim.

>>378679556
>salty hog mains still using le positioning meme

Like there's nothing to stop a hog going around a shield and getting a free pick, any position is out of position if he sees you.

>>378671848
I unironically thought the exact same thing. It's the only reason I even came here.

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>>378671442
>eating cereal this morning
>spoon falls all the way into the milk

I fucking hate reddit so fucking much.

>>378679451
yes thank you for putting how I feel about this game into words

>>378679769
>Characters shouldn't have interesting abilities that are good. Just make everything the same. That way I don't have to be upset when I die to something.

>>378679451
>le instakill hook
>interesting
>an ult that does nothing and then you die because its shit and put your defenseless ass up in a big spotlight
>interesting

>>378679451
Just because it's interesting or gimmicky doesn't make it good, who cares if it's "interesting" if nobody uses the hero and is completely outclassed by others or isn't fun to play as/against

>>378679759
How about not get into close combat if you don't want to get fucked by the tank with a shotgun and hook?
how about attacking this player with somone that does a lot damage against large targets and is still outside of the range of the hook like widow?

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>>378673450
>Overwatch
>skill

>>378672920

>having trouble aiming in fucking overwatch
>as fat fuck of all characters

I don't think any sort of shooter is the genre for you anon

>>378674915
Definitely not the Overwatch PTR where all the fucking Overwatch changes are applied, Google overwatch ptr update or something similiar you fucking retard

>>378679916
>eating a bucket of cereal for breakfast
only in Merika

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>>378679451
>collecting souls was interesting when they despawned super quick and were only useful after you win or youre winning an engagement, this is also more interesting and useful than lifestealing and calculating risks with your life steal percentages in mind
no it wasn't
>one shotting people even without hook was interesting on a fucking tank
no it wasn't
>having the worst ult in the game that gets completely invalidated by having a monkey, a rein, an orissa or a zarya which are in EVERY game or by just fucking moving to the many walls in the game on top of not being intuitive at all and relying on the enemy being retarded is interesting
no it fucking wasnt

>>378671442
Roadhog mains BTFO. Fucking yes, now you faggots are going to have to earn your kills. Roadhog is literally easy mode this nerf was long overdue.

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>>378680018
t. no skill faggot
Back to your CoD baby shit lad

>>378679945
>Characters shouldn't require aim and effort. Just let me self-heal and one shot. That way I don't have to be upset about being unable to play shooters.

>>378680081
I guess you're from a country that hasn't developed bowls yet.

>>378679451
next character will be a chimp with 1 hp that sits in spawn with a thumb up his anus the entire game and in the last 30 second he pulls a dice out his forskin and rolls it and if you land a 6 you instawin

its not a shit character because its interesting you see. i am a master game designer.

>McCree is FINALLY buffed
Yeee-haw!

> Shitters thinking a one hit kill instakill move is a "counter"
It's bullshit
Hopefully Widow and Hanzo will be next to get hit with the nerf bat.
A videogame cannot be fun as long as there are one shot classes in it. Particularly one with the highest raw HP in the game and self-sustain.

>>378674075
promised I wouldn't save anymore images today, but...

>>378680223
>He still can't ride Orisa

Yeee-NAW!

>>378679992
>who cares if it's "interesting"

Yeah who wants to play a game that feels punchy and unpredictable, it should be more homogenized it should feel like WoW pvp maybe they should start homogenizing all of their games together too just meld all into an amorphous blob

>>378679272
>To a singluar target, Defense Matrix can block everything and anything that's thrown at it for 4 entire seconds. 76, Reaper, and Pharah can all be Ulting at D.Va and Defense Matrix will eat everything for free.

dvas sheild doesnt stop all projectiles?
Are you also suggesting the other 5 players focus soley on the roadhog hooking their teammate in the hopes they take out 600hp in about 1 second?
Come on. Next you'll defend roadhogs OP heal, giving you half your health back in 1.5 seconds and can't be interrupted

>>378675928
Hook is easier to land than anything mcree has. It's why even shitters can do well with hog. Compare how many shitty mcrees you see as oppose to Roadhogs.

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>Roadhog gets more and more nerfed
>People are STILL going to complain about him

>>378674196
Mathematically, it is only a 3% decrease in dps (33-30), however, you get a 20% increase in capacity.

This is actually a buff to his dps if you count reload times.

Source: Comp sci. 2nd year pupil with a minor in math.

Nerfs and buffs aside, if you know hog can 1 shot you how can you fail to pay attention to him? And if you do then how can you blame anybody but yourself for getting hooked? Grow some balls.

>>378676031
Being able to cancel either of his abilities would be a godsend.

>>378680446
>le strawman
Nigger I don't fucking care how gimmicky your character is, if he's not fucking fun I'm not playing him, simple as that

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Apparently not only did I not know how to fix Road, neither did Blizzard.

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>every single character has been adjusted in one way or another
>tracer remains completely untouched
>lowest health in the game
>gets one shot or forced to recall by many things
>accidentally killed most of the time

when are they going to buff this fucking slut? healers fucking destroy her, the very thing she's supposed to go after. ana and zen in particular fucking rape her.

Why does anybody care? This game's balance has always been retarded with the devs constantly making autistic decisions so who cares unless you're a reddit fag that thinks this is a competitive game

So he shoots faster but does less damage as a result


Seems like they want him to be more of a shotgun and less of a sniper

>>378673104
Not accounting for all the shots that miss even if you aim dead center. Skinny fucks like Mercy, widow, Ana etc won't be able to die from hook anymore. Others will be able to live if the hook damage gets healed while being pulled.

>>378680331
widow at least requires skill so thats that
scatter arrow should have not come out of fucking planning
>let's make an aoe anti hallway attack
>ok but what if the angle where they all curve is used to insta shoot anyone that gets close to you which means that you as a sniper should be weaker on top of also letting you insta shot anyone on your normal range without having to aim any headshots
>nah release that shit

>>378675928
>McCree shoots a small bullet that can 2 tap squishies IF you hit both shots
>Roadhog has a huge gun that can either shoot its projectiles in a large hitbox or as an accurate mid range sniper that can headshot and instakill squishies, and destroy tanks
R-roadhog takes skill to play!11! w-who cares if i have a hook to reel them in every 8 seconds to instakill and 2-3 tap tanks?
Get fucked faggot, can't wait till this goes live and you have to deal with squishies retreating or getting saved by their team. Also btw you fucking idiot Roadhog has a higher winrate than McCree https://masteroverwatch.com/heroes

>>378680331
The problem lies with how easy it is to one shot people. Look at ducking hanzo, >arrows do fucktons so damage
>shoots decently fast
>scatter deletes almost anything except some tanks
"Durr don't fight him at distance"
>scatter at feet
This charter is fucking cheap

>>378677974

You must be mentally incapacitated if you can't understand the implications of tugging someone out of position right infront into your team and infront of your 600 hp self healing fat ass

>>378680474
>Next you'll defend roadhogs OP heal, giving you half your health back in 1.5 seconds and can't be interrupted

I hate Hog as much as the next guy, but his Heal CAN be interrupted. Its just that there are so few characters who can do it, that it hardly matters. For reference, any stun will cancel the effect, and Ana's anti heal stops it from working too.

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>>378680557
>nerfing total mayhem

how can we all be sure that there's a legit reasoning for this and that you're not just some broznie or silver shitter who is too retarded to know to keep your distance from a dying junkrat?

>>378680446
Just because something is unique doesn't make it good you fucking idiot. You could have a character that does a random amount of damage up to and including instakilling them and it would be unique and interesting, but it would be fucking awful unfun shit. One shotting in any capacity is one of the most unfun things to play against in a game. Having to get collect the kill as reaper before you got the health was unique, but it made reaper into a character that only had benefits if you were already winning. McRee's ultimate was, and still is, unique and interesting but before it was only actually useful as area denial.

>>378679451
>mccree's ult is interesting
>ust stand there for 5 seconds to either die or not kill anyone

Yes, interesting.

>>378679825
>without having to aim
This meme needs to stop. Hooks aren't the hardest to land, but its easy as fuck to juke if you're not retarded.

>>378672290
The higher firing rate and extra shot make up for it. He's still gonna be able to hook/shot/melee combo most squishes. Someone like Mei or Reaper are gonna be able to get away.

>>378680803
It's not a nerf because you can give him more bombs than he currently drops.

The issue with TM is in principle it's just bad game design, it doesn't matter how many kills it gets.

>>378680803
Those Pharah changes confirm shitter status already.

>>378680557
these ideas are all shit except for zenyatta which needs a bit more thinking through

>>378680486

Hope that student loan was worth it to go learn elementary school maths.

>>378675959
>>378674880

He says it in the context that he kills a female character you tools

>>378680931
is it time for pharah defense force to spam the thread and pretend shes balanced?

give me a single good reason why hanzo, widow and genji shouldn't have 150 health
you can't

>>378680647
that's because zen and ana's kits are particularly good at dealing with flankers though, not some fault of tracer's

>>378676583
Actually doing damage and landing all their shots.

>>378673106
Yeah! So now when you hook someone they'll never die! Great job Blizz!

>>378680802
Ah fair enough.

far too few counters to it though.
I've been stuck back and forthing for 1-2 mins against a roadhog as dva just because he stands there and gets his stupid fucking gas canisters out as I hear 'ting ting ting' crit sfx for 2 seconds to no avail.

I agree with his critbox being made smaller though.

>>378680647

She's a top tier comp and pro pick, so never.

>>378674923
Lol you are the retard who knew that he has a reflect yet still fired at him and did not bait it out. Maybe this game is to hard for you?

>>378680909
Its also one of the faster projectiles in the game. Within the top what? Five or so? If you juke it, you're either playing a character like Tracer with the ability to get the hell out of dodge in an instant, or they over compensated. Most decent hogs can land 50% or more of their hooks.

>>378680557
I read a few. They were really bad.

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>>378681016
>he can't counterpick
>he can't look up
>he can't dodge rockets

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>>378671442
>turning the already boring game in WoW tier class homogenization

I can't wait until the next patch where they intro OW Garrisons so you dont have to play

>>378681135
>>378680960
no theyre actually really good

see what i did there?

>>378681016
you're right she need balancing. a buff would go a long way

>>378681016
>Countered by every hitscan hero
>Slow projectiles
>Big ass target
>Slow projectile
>Smoke trail after shooting
>Unblananced

>>378679556
More like they will never stop complaining until it plays like CoD or CS.

>>378680647
Tracer is the only damage character that has been constantly played and is currently central point to dive cancer, on top of being the main catalyst of forcing one hero limits with winston.

She can delete supports on a split second while unloading shit and then meleeing to death
She has insane mobility
She has never been touched even when she's been constantly around since release


If you're somehow dying as the fastest hero that can inmediately delete any debuffs to her regaining heatlh while having 3 fucking blinks you must be a grade a shitter

>>378681187
I do not see what you did there, would you care to elaborate?

>>378681070
>far too few counters

Hog in a Nutshell. For as much as he can do, hes had far too few counters to his kit in general letting him run rampant. They needed to either nerf him or bring up more chars as viable counters to him.

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>>378679451
>guaranteed kill anywhere from close to midrange using a hitbox that's the size of a character
>interesting mechanic
Roadhog mains everyone

>>378680754
headshots + hook and melee damage should be enough to take out 200hp and lower heroes.

>>378680909
>Hooks aren't the hardest to land

But they're by far the easiest. The fucking hitbox is the same size as Roadhog himself.

>>378675928
Lets be real here. you have been proven wrong and you know that but you can't back down so you just keep saying not an argument because you just now noticed how you have been given a crutch called roadhog. but now you are scared because you can no longer one shot things so you have to "try" and will lose horribly. Return that game to gamestop and yes I know you play on console I can tell by how you talk

One thing that Paladins does way better than Overwatch is Makoa, the turtle boy who is a rip off of Roadhog. He's the only good thing about Paladins and makes Blizzard look retarded.

>>378680823
>random damage
nobody said anything about random damage, the point is balancing the game by reducing damage makes it boring, everybody should be doing more damage not less, 6 shot fatal is less interesting than 4 shots for example, the whole style and pace of the game is boring and slow and it only goes further in that direction with all these damage nerfs

>>378680557
>Tracer ult instantly killing someone

Literally kill yourself for such a bad idea

>>378681201
She's a moving target that can shoot back. Of course she needs a nerf.

>>378681194
she's literally top pick DPS right now
>pharahfags

>>378681201
By your logic every hero is countered by hitscan
the rockets are not slow
her hit box is medium, not big

>>378681112
I'll admit I'm biased cause im a roadmain, but if a Roadhog is facing you, chances are he's gonna try to hoom you. Just started moving inconsistently and its real hard to hit. I get ~50% hooks in most my games but that's still a lot of misses

>>378681358
Gimme back my goalposts, you bastard!

>>378676419
>athletic
>tan skin
>flat chest

I support this decision

>>378681250
I'm pointing out the fact that just going "this is bad" without any reasoning or arguments is pointless cause then someone can just counter with "no this is good" and it's just as valid.

>>378681368
>Oh no a DPS that can promise a single kill

>>378681418
Pharah is in an okay place right now

>>378679945
This is the worst argument I have ever seen stop playing video games you cuck and DO NOT respond to me you are not worth my time.

>>378681418
Nigga she is a big ass target, for fuck's sake she's in the air, her shots leave a trail and she can't take cover unless she compromises her own gimmick
>>378681418
Pharah can't take cover while she's in the air and has limited horizontal mobility

>>378677207
Unless you are of the retarded opinion that gay people make anything "left-addled," the video game Overwatch has nothing to do with politics.

>>378671841
Well so long to my Reaper strat of eating orbs that are under crossfire in wraith form.

>>378681309
If you're going to factor in headshots for kills, you might as well add in a good chunk of the other characters as well.

>>378681530
she's literally top pick DPS right now

>>378681518
The thing is that literally every person to reply to you also agreed that your ideas are bad so perhaps you should reconsider them.

>>378672920
Protip: u suk

>>378681026
Go play a real arena fps trashcan

>>378680647

Any buff you give to Tracer would just make her broken, if she gets any buffs (Health, Damage) they would have to rework how her abilities work otherwise she'll just be OP and shit on the entire cast

A high mobility character being the best character in the game would be AIDS, and A double Tracer comp would be absolute CANCER for everyone

>>378681431
Even if the hook is dodged, thats only what? 8 seconds until it has to be done again. And as I said, any half decent hog should be averaging 50%. Thats not even touching the fact that Hog can and should still be killing people even without the hook.

In all honesty, I'd say the hook is the least broken aspect of his kit. His damage has always been the problem, so I'm glad they're nerfing that a little.

>>378681065

It'll put them near death, if you're moving with your team (which in fairness most hog shitters don't but you'll have to learn), then it's a guaranteed kill regardless.

>>378681356
Proven wrong how? You havent proven hitscan requires more skill than projectile at all. You've got nothing.

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>inb4 deflected Reaper shots heal the Genji now

Pharah by design is a mess.
In order for you to kill her, you need pin point accuracy (While being somewhat close to her) while being knocked around by long range rockets that don't have fall of damage.

No honest person can defend her.

>>378673903
I played a bunch of overwatch chess on the freekend.

>>378681418
popularity =/= OP

The rockets are slow, 76s travel twice as fast and she can be picked out of the sky from across the map by a half decent sniper/mcree

Her ult is also nigh on useless.

0 splash damage and her e ability is useless for the most part

How is she OP?

>>378678923
>that bronze spike for Junkrat

Proof that Junkrat players are shitters

>>378681518
>Oh no a DPS that can promise a single kill

Nah kill yourself retard

It's annoying playing as Rein or Zarya when literally any Tracer who is over the age of 5 can always stick you and reduce you to practically dead.

Making it an instant kill on everyone would be cancer when no other ultimate in the game even dps characters would be that consistent of a free kill on a tank

Once again put a knife in your throat