Would have Alien Isolation been better if all those weapons actually

>>378654493
yeah would have been much better

>get gun
>kill alien the first time you see it
>walk through rest of empty level for the next 3 hours

>WE NEED CRAFTING BECAUSE MOINEY CRAFTA!!!!
Probably the worst meme in modern games right behind DLC and season passes.

PSVR support for this when?

I would "rent" the PSVR again just like I did when RE7 came out.

>>378654493
The whole point of the game, the whole reason it was so good was because it was an unstoppable monster.

>>378654607
>>378654650
>>378654493
No.

Xenomorphs don't work that way. You need DIAMOND TIPPED BULLETS to pierce their carapace. I shit you not. Other weapons that are more useful are high-explosives and fire.

Do not, for one second, even belive that your common extinguisher, crowbar, wrench, shotgun, pistol, ANYTHING would work on a xeno. It is specifically evolved to FUCK YOU.

>>378654493
Honestly the game is fine as is aside from some pacing issues

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>Alien: Colonial Marines could have been a game about exploring a alien infested colony with survival horror style exploration.
>Got linear shooter with brain dead A.I.

>>378654650
It actually worked in Isolation, though, because it forced you to either save your resources to get something big that would scare the Alien (ie pipe bomb) or spend them all to get a noisemaker or smoke bomb to distract it and keep you safe.

>>378654607
It doesn't have to kill it. It could just wound it, drop a fat puddle of acid on the ground causing immediate repercussions, and come back later fully healed because Xenomorphs have bullshit physiology and there's several of them anyway

>>378654836
An unstoppable monster doesn't have to literally ignore player agency. I liked how it adapts to the flame-thrower but this wasn't used nearly enough. There's no reason a fucking revolver and then a shotgun would phase through one of these cunts without even damaging them.

>>378654607
>Kill Alien
>It's acid blood eats through the station and causes explosive decompression

>>378654864
I'm sure a shotgun has enough stopping power to at least throw one of these space niggers off their feet. Having a literal diamond hard shell doesn't mean you're immune to the laws of physics.

>>378654864

Um..my dude, these are xenomorphs we're talking about here, not fucking tyranids!

>>378655085
That's what I mean though. It would have been great if the guns actually did something but had huge fucking drawback, like good work you delayed the Alien by a minute but now this whole part of the level is dissolving and you have to walk around, losing a bunch of time and potentially losing access to resources.

>>378654493
Alien Isolation was better when I modded the Alien entirely out of the game. It plays like a fucking awesome Thief in Space then as you creep around in a spooky atmosphere dodging Joes and Humans, and the 'combat' is clunky enough to be punishing if you have to resort to it.

>>378654864
>You need DIAMOND TIPPED BULLETS to pierce their carapace. I shit you not.
You sure about that?

Start from 00:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjRQJZsUGg

>>378655193
Exactly. Tyranids are weaker.

>>378655162
The blast might stagger them a bit, but you still need specialty rounds. And even then, this is a xeno with acid blood we're talking. And they tend to explode violently when they die.

>>378655286
They were planning to use the acid blood as a feature but dropped it eventually because they couldn't make it fun or something.

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Well what do YOU guys want in a new AVP game primarily focused on multiplayer?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ftrTx8L7tcBVfGRz67bihGbjsT9sac3g9_a7SOsDDw0/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>378655378
That's the exact movie I'm talking about. You CANNOT use standard issue equipment to kill a xeno. It does NOT work. Any other instance? Non-canon. These things are built and weigh like tanks.

>>378655494
Sounds like a better mechanic to me than bullets just flaccidly ghosting through the black cunt without as much as a reaction.

Especially with how organic the xeno's reaction to flames feel. That part's fucking great. Why couldn't they make guns work the same way ? The alien can even knock you over and run away if you spray flames on it, could have used the same concept to have it take away your gun.

>>378655378
>Aliens
There are two types of Xenomorph.

The Alien/Alien3/Alien: Isolation kind that is FUCKING INVINCIBLE.

And the AvP/Aliens/Resurrection kind that die to just about anything.

>>378655162
https://youtu.be/gUIc1OM8syI
This isn't actually how guns work anon, they don't really do that when you get shot.

>>378655573
For it not to be primarily focused on Multiplayer.

>>378655575
How do you explain a little harpoon gun shooting through its carapace in the first film then ?

>>378655494
Nigger what? a fucking shotgun blows one of the fuckers heads off in the second movie, the pulse rifle cartridges are simply AP rounds with explosives in them and the video here >>378655378 proves that .45 ACP does a reasonable job of taking one out in a pinch.

>>378655162
>MUH STOPPAN POWAH
someone call /k/

>>378655573
nothing, I want more alien games

>>378655712

You are right in normal circumstances, but if the target isn't pierced by the projectiles, the force is transmitted across the target. It would definitely knock something back if it didn't pierce it, as is the case with a xeno.

>>378655820
If xenos legitimately have diamond hard shells couldn't you just bonk one over the head with a shovel and the impact would resonate like a bell, shattering its insides and giving it massive internal bleeding ?

Besides it doesn't have eyes, which means its other senses are probably way more susceptible to being fucked over by blunt trauma.

>>378655820
Guns are already designed so that most of the force goes into the target, when you fuck up it's called overpenetration and it makes them rather less effective.

>>378654864
The reason you don't want to shoot them is because they bleed acid on you.

>>378655575
>You CANNOT use standard issue equipment to kill a xeno.
But Vasquez just killed it with a puny pistol.
What are you going on again?
Did they all carry diamond tipped ammunition?

>>378656298
Apparently they had diamond coated buckshot, diamond coated slugs and pulse rifles shooting diamonds.

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>>378655573
To bring my childhood back

>>378656415
Vasquez has the unique ability to turn every hard object into diamond including the dicks of the audience

>>378656021

Yes, but when a bullet pierces you, the kinetic energy causes cavitation(sp) and the force is transmitted through your insides, rather than against a single side of your body.

If you punch a rotten watermelon, your hand will just go inside the melon, and crush up the insides. If you punch a medicine ball, it'll move equal to force you applied to it.

I think I'm explaining it correctly. Basically, armor stops mortal wounds, but the force is more likely to stagger a target as a result of the force pushing a solid object, rather than piercing a fleshy one?

>>378656497
fuckin oath

But the gun did hurt it, If you shot him enough the fucker would cower.and leave, you can make it even bleed.

No acid blood effects tho

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James Cameron ruined Alien.
Aliens might be a well made and entertaining movie but in the long run it wasn't a good way to expand the story at all.
The main appeal of Alien was the monster being an unstoppable unkillable force from unknown origin.

Aliens nerfed the Alien by giving everyone pulse rifles which can kill them and the more you explain the monster the less scary it gets.

Even the kinda bad first AvP movie got it more right than Aliens because humans for the most parts couldn't do jackshit against the alien and Predators needed to solve that problem.

If not for the Alien being scary its just a series about not-murrikans shooting things for the sake of shooting things which is totally not what this should all be about.

>>378656705
u wot m8? How many shots did I take? I managed to get off every shot in the gun before a reload and it just kept coming with its rock hard erection

>>378656518
Well in real life people don't get knocked around even with armor, because the force diffuses in all directions instead of going straight forwards. Soft armor itself "catches" and spreads the kinetic energy of a bullet (which is why it works poorly against knives as bullets crush instead of piercing like a knife). Even then shotguns aren't a wide blow, it's many little pellets striking at once in various positions. You also need to take into account newton's third law, each force has an equal and opposite reaction, so if the shooter doesn't get knocked over then the target being hit shouldn't either (assuming they weigh roughly the same)

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>>378654983
>tfw it was originally gonna be a tactical shooter
>completely scrap it for some rushed outsourced shit

Fuck Randy Pitchfork

>>378656783
I was playing hardest diff, I shot the fucker just as he appeared around a corner. Greenish blood ended splattered on the door frame as he was running to rape me.

How was Covenant?

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>>378656648

>>378654493
its possible to kill the alien
one nig uploaded a video on YouTube on how to do it but then the game glitches badly

>>378656790

>newton's third law blah blah

Damn, you got me, anon. That explained it well.

>>378656986
The way the game works though, the Alien ceases to exist the instant the AI Director decides to pluck it out and give you a break.

>>378657004
Of course friend. to be honest I'm too much of an autistic /k/ommando to not reply in these sort of situations and attempt to help explain this stuff

>>378657227
How many tactical assault clips would it take to kill one?

>>378657331
About tree fiddy nice try anon

>>378654493
Confirmed for not actually playing the game, or not bothering to actually experiment with the guns. Pistol is useless but the shotgun staggers the shit out of the alien, and if I remember correctly it even makes him fuck off the first couple times you use it on him (I think there's a similar effect to the flamethrower where he stops being afraid of it eventually).

>>378657632
this is true
the last segment i had to use Molotov cocktails to get rid of him

>>378655378
.45 ACP does the trick just fine apparently

.45 Alien Cranium Pulverizer will never not be relative

John Moses Browning > Xenomorph faggots any day of the week

>>378656781
Covenant did more to ruin the mystery of Alien than Aliens ever did

>>378658003
Covenant and Prometheus are just Ridley Scott being butthurt over FOX doing whatever they want with the IP.

Funny though: They still force their stuff into his movies. Originally he wanted to distance himself from all Alien stuff. And now FOX use Covenant as their own platform to expand the franchise.

>>378657632
This straight up isn't true. Flamethrower yes, but shotgun does literally nothing to it.

>>378658003
How so?

It was a shit movie, but it didn't really remove any mystery, did it? We already knew they were a bio-weapon.

>>378658207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmwyWerz5KI

>>378658207
it explicitly showed them being created, before we diddn't know WHY they were created or by WHO.
To me that ruins the mystery

>>378654493
the shilling of this game since last week only confirms a new installment
its pretty obvious

>>378656781
yea just ignore the themes of motherhood and loss in aliens

>>378658187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMX1vNXKU7A

Not the best example, but if the player was more skilled he could have backpedaled while repeatedly staggering it and been able to escape to safety. I've done it before when I ran out of fuel and molotovs.

>>378658272
I can't take these guys seriously after their Alien Isolation review.

>>378654493
Yeah it was bullshit that you couldn't escape from the alien once he spotted you. The weapons available should've been enough to scare him away.

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>>378658898
>Jack and Rich are the same people as Mike and Jay

>>378658909
>Yeah it was bullshit that you couldn't escape from the alien once he spotted you.
But that's wrong.

>>378659052
>Caring enough about them to know their names.
>Weeaboo.
Do not reply to my posts.

>>378658003
You mean Prometheus

>>378659168
>But that's wrong.

It's true for the beginning of the game, there's no way of out running him, just avoiding him.

I didnt play the game enough to get most items, I refunded it eventually. Might pirate it next time I play it.

>>378659365
There's no way of out running him, just avoiding him.

But that's wrong.

>>378659435
But you are wrong :^)

>>378659359
no, at least Prometheus had the decency to not include xenomorphs

>>378655573
What would be some good Predator classes?

>Things are more scary when they're literally who's from literally where.
Good lord, you guys can not be any older than 16.

>>378655719
Literally where?

>>378655737
> the pulse rifle cartridges are simply AP rounds with EXPLOSIVES in them
We just covered why that works. Armor pericing with explosive. They're not paperweights.

>>378656298
Film inconsistency.
>>378656497
This too.

>>378658207
Making them a bio-weapon and not some bizzare naturally occuring alien loses a lot of the luster, and feels like a lazy cop-out.

>>378659574
Except in the mural and at the end

>>378659727
not to nitpick but that's the Deacon, totally different.

>>378659707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-mmbStFrAA

Learn your films you fucking plebian

>>378659707
m8 the projectiles themselves aren't even a half inch in diameter (10mm for metric nerds) and are probably a little less than 20mm long, there's going to be little room for explosives in there.

>>378659168
I actually forgot the name of AIDS-Moby and had to look it up, and I don't watch Pre-Rec, nor do I agree with their Alien: Isolation review.

>>378659707
>Making them a bio-weapon and not some bizzare naturally occuring alien loses a lot of the luster, and feels like a lazy cop-out.
I disagree. The other way around felt lazy and uninspired.

>Hey, check out these freaky alien things. Pretty cool, right? Well, they're literally perfect organisms and have a shit ton of stuff at their disposal. I mean, they have acid blood, so you can't attack them in self-defense.
>Why do they have acid blood? lol idk dude they're just freaky aliens, it's cooler that way. :^)

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>>378659707
>Literally where?
leave immediately

>>378659707
>Literally where?
underage detected

>>378660119
How about you don't disclose the origins of the mysterious species so that they remain mysterious and therefore have a stronger lasting effect on the audience ?

It's been proven time and time again that horror films work better if the antagonist is vastly obscure and unknown to both the characters and the audience.

>>378660389
The problem is that you think these are horror films.

>>378660119
You are aware that posting something in a stupid way doesn't invalidate the point, right?
That guy's clearly a faggot for not watching the original Alien, but you're not much better.

The Alien was literally designed as a space rapist. Everything about it revolves around the concept of violation, not mass destruction.
You're damn right the idea that it's a naturally occurring thing is both more terrifying and more sensible than scientists deciding that unleashing uncontrollable rape machines on a populace is in any way a sensible idea.
That makes the fucking Space Pirates look like geniuses.

>>378660389
>How about you don't disclose the origins of the mysterious species so that they remain mysterious and therefore have a stronger lasting effect on the audience ?
The fact that they're created by other life forms, has an even more grand effect as a whole. It opens up a shit ton of possibility in the same way that David experimented with a shit ton of species before finding the one who deemed perfect. There's potential for new hybrids, new mutations, new everything.

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>>378660476
Nice bait

>>378655573
I want an Alien game that plays sorta like that Alien Story Mode in AVP from 2010. It was pretty fun, but since it's not muh horror I doubt it would ever happen

>>378660618
You actually believe the Alien franchise to be a horror franchise? You are fucking retarded.

>>378660589
Maybe it makes it better for you but you could have come to the exact same conclusion without the prequels flat out stating this really obtuse, overly specific origin story.

It was more interesting when all we had were theories and conjecture based on individual perception of the film. Especially when the senile old retard that is Ridley Scott decided to make it canon that Jesus was a god damn Space Jockey.

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Alien is only good when he's ominous monster hunting you down in cramped corridors.

It quickly becomes nonsensical trash when you let the victims fight back - see Aliens and colon marines. Instead of being a single deadly threat aliens become the same as many other insects like zergs, bugs from Starship Troopers, the swarm from Halo, etc.

When retards are trying to make different Alien species to make the process of killing them "entertaining" it completely destroys the atmosphere and eradicates all the possible tension and seriousness.

In Alien Isolation you have perfect balance between a walking horror sim like Outlast and kill everything on sight horror like Dead Space. The alien is actually scary but you can buy a couple of seconds with a flame thrower to do something. You can kill the androids, humans, you can use grenades and shit.

>>378661639
>Stupid weeb has stupid opinion.
>Dumbass doesn't even know they're called Xenomorphs and just calls it, "Alien"

>>378660780
explain why it isnt?

>>378661742
whats the difference? you understand the greek right?

>>378661742
Xenomorph is a term from Aliens.
Not Alien

>>378658207
Well that's most of my gripes. Something they missed though;

It's a Colony ship with a scratch over 1000 people onboard.
They had one lander that could hold ~16 people.
When they got to their destination, they apparently intended to do nearly 100 back and forth trips to deposit all of the colonists onto the planet.

>>378660780
It was originally just an Alien, you fanboy faggot.

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>>378661742
Way to shit on your own face, newfag.

>>378660780
a group of teenagers/space truckers are all alone out in the cabin in the woods/space tug in deep space, and then an axe murderer/evil spirit/alien life form slowly starts to stalk and kill them off one by one

gee, guess you are right, doesnt fit the mold at all