>give a person who has never played a game in their life a

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>game is intended to run at 30 fps for balance reasons
>once it's ported to PC faggots do everything and anything they can to uncap the fps even though it fucks up the game

even 60 fps is trash

there is 240hz monitors now

why no games get 240 frames?

step it up vidya industry

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>>378648950
Anything below 18 fps = unplayable
Anything above 18 and all the way to 30 = not ideal but playable
Anything above 30 and all the way to 60 = decent and perfectly playable
Anything above 60 = unneccessary

>>378648950
>>378649631
once you get used to a higher framerate, anything lower looks choppy. even 60 fps loses its smoothness when you're used to 120/144 fps. I'm not autistic enough to let that stop me from playing a game though.

>>378649784
I'm idort and never really cared about any of this fps nonsense.

>>378649076
This has literally never happened.

>>378649076
>balance reasons
wat

>>378648950
ignore them they're gay

>>378649631
Is there more of this?

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>>378649631
>>378649784
only decent responses

>>378650124
Dark Souls

>>378650124
What is dark souls?

>>378650291
No.

>>378650291
>>378650320
that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard

>>378650291
The dark souls port was fucking trash

>posts webm of 60fps vs 30fps that clearly shows side by side
>some retard: "hurry I can't tell the difference"

I almost never have issues with framerate, but then im an oldfag that used to play games at 10-15 fps 25 years ago.

>>378650291
>>378650320
>make a bad port
>"we totally meant to make it shit"

>>378650341
>>378650384
>>378650387
The engine tied a lot of shit to the framerate. In DS1 you would fall through the ground while sliding on ladders, and in DS2 PC gamers had their weapons degrade twice as fast.

>>378650483
Games before n64 and shit used to be 60fps and arcade games all ran at 75 because the screens were 75hz anti flicker crt

>>378650558
That isn't intentional balance, it's shit engine design.

>>378650558
The issue in ds2 with that wasn't tied to fps because it happened at 30fps as well. It was some running issue with collision that b team never fixed until sotfs

Those are faggots, new kids that just started playing. Of course 60 fps feels smoother but if the game is good framerate doesn't matter i.e. BotW.

Do you really not understand that people get spoiled by superior things and when given the inferior things, they are going to complain?

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>>378648950
It's called relativity you dumbass.

An African thinks clean water is the greatest thing ever. A westerners thinks it's bottom of the barrel. Only people who think 30fps is perfectly okay are console plebs who've never truly enjoyed 60fps or more.

I recently went from ds2 to BB and the shit is unbearable because ds2 was a solid 60fps on pc and BB can barely hold 27.5fps. Shit sucked.

>>378650483
I'm not even 25 years old yet, and I feel the same as you. In fact I can remember thinking how silly this whole fps obsession was when people started talking a lot about it and Sony and Microsoft started making it a part of their marketing. That was around the time that the Mass Effects 1 PC port happened.

>>378648950
same reason a starving man gladly accepts a slice of stale bread and a rich man complains about the staleness and asks here the fuck is the rest of the meal

beggars can't be choosers

>>378650124
FF13 for a more recent one vanquise

>>378650612
I never claimed it was balance. We were talking about how the higher framerate fucked the game.

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>>378648950
>give a person who has never eaten a meal in their life a plate of excrement
>they eat it and enjoy it no problem

>shit and food analogies left right and center
e v e r y t i m e

>>378651052
>shit doesn't count because I say so
e v e r y t i m e

PS4 gaming is like a fresh home cooked meal
PC gaming is like going to an expensive restaurant to eat the same thing the PS4 owner eats at 4x the price and a marginal quality difference

It's an obsession. The hardcore pcfags are not fun to be around.

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>>378648950
in 1997 games played up to 85hz if you had the hardware. games were also made by software engineers not are students. games would also push the technological barriers instead of replacing art assets in an engine and calling it a new game.

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>>378650971
>fuck anon's ass who has never gotten laid in his life
>he enjoys it with no problem
Fuck off with your food analogy.

>>378651197
>>378651259
>Sony ponies making excuses for their shit purchases

>>378650208
Whole manga and 3 episodes of OVA
Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku

>>378649076
>for balance reasons

>>378649076
It's not balance reasons. It's immersion. 60 fps is an unimmersive experience. I'm pretty sure that with an Expansion Pak they could have gotten Majora's Mask to run at 60 fps (it barely does anything), but they didn't because it would have been immersion breaking. They didn't even boost it to 30 fps. They retained the 20 fps from OoT

>>378651270
Why stop at 1997?

In 1970 The Oregon Trail was made by a couple of history TAs.

>>378650717
this is true. i'll admit DS2 is lackluster in some ways but it feels so much better and more fluid on PC than going back to console for the next couple of games. it's not just a looks thing, it's a performance thing. the games running at 27 feel and perform more sluggishly than their 60 frame counterparts. can still try to enjoy them but it being a major gripe for some people is completely understandable.
>>378651259
most so called PCfags probably have a PC and console(s). can have both and still point out the shitty differences. i don't feel the need to defend PC, why are you guys so insecure about your purchases?

>>378648950
When people know about, and have experienced, something better then why would they settle for something worse?

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>>378651452
>higher frames ruins the immersion

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>>378651452
>this is what console plebs actually believe

>>378649076
>>>balance reasons

usually the reason is that the people making the game are just awful at programming and tie everything to the FPS

there are a lot of games that don't fuck up when you increase the frame rate

>>378651502
Because some games only come out on console

>>378648950
>give a blurry black and white photo to a caveman
>wow

>give a blurry photo to person from the 21st centuary
>Wtf?

>>378651452
holy shit imagine being this brainwashed

>>378651347
ARE you assuming my gaming platform!?

>>378651754
Emphasis should be on you and assuming.

Good effort though, 6/10

>give a refined gentleman who usually eats caviar a piece of stale bread
>be surprised he doesn't like it

You console peasants are such simpletons

>>378651876
BACK to >>>/r/gaming fAgGoT

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>>378651474
20 years

fps2017.jpg

>>378650717
>>378651486
Nah, what actually happens is that you acclimate your brain to the 60 fps and then you can't go back because it's the "Tetris effect." And the more you do it the harder it is to go back. But what's really happening isn't that you are adapting to some higher framerate experience. It's more that you are reducing parts of your brain that would be used to fill in the blanks that 20 fps/30fps/(40fps in movies) offer by filling it with junk data that's too fast for the human brain to compute. If you turn around in real life you don't parse every single milisecond that it takes you. Same thing in games except you're holding your ocular senses captive to a nauseating motion a subconcious level.

>>378651593
>>378651595
I'm just pointing out that the sequel to the best GOAT didn't require running at any more than 20 fps. And it was an intentional design decision. Why so mad?

>>378652023
No, NiGgEr

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>>378648950
That's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one, dear Pepe. How about you continue the hypothetical argument by offering that person the same game that runs at 60 FPS and see if he saw any difference and then ask whether he would like to play the 60 fps one over the 30 fps one, hm? Of course someone who has never played videogames that run at 60 would put up with 30 just fine, I played Sega Genesis games myself and they ran at even less FPS and I enjoyed them. Farage said it best here already though.

>>378650717

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>>378651965
>caviar tastes good just because it's expensive
You silly frick.

>>378652178
Higher framerates do not reshape your ocular neural pathways you fucking imbecile. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>378650124
MGR
Undertale

>>378652178
>he actually believes this nonsense

Then go outside and play with a rock, you pseudo intellectual fuck. Your brain should fill in the gaps!

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>>378652178
you can't go back because it feels better and you are in denial. chill out, man. it was only a purchase of a few hundred bucks. it's not like it's your lover or mother. it has flaws. that's what makes it beautiful, right?

>>378648950
>give a person who has never watched a movie in their life a copy of National Treasure
>they watch it and enjoy it no problem

>give a person who actually has some taste in movies a copy of National Treasure
>WTF I cant enjoy this nicholas cage is shite?! Where yms.org when you need him to educate people about how to make movies properly! This is trash!

>>378650934
>>378649076
>intended

>>378650341
>>378650384
Dark Souls gameplay isn't improved by 60fps, it's meant to be played slowly.

>a person with no experience with the medium is ok eating shit and has no taste

WOAH

>>378650839
lol

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>>378652574
>he thinks higher framerate=faster gameplay

>>378652574
it's still just as slow a game and slower than just about any other action RPG. the game isn't faster. what you're talking about is sluggishness which doesn't add to the game, just takes away from it. it's okay to admit the love of your life isn't perfect and that maybe you wasted money. we've all done it, mate.

>>378652218
>caviar isn't good
?

>>378652383
How exactly is that balance?
>>378650839

>>378650581

Yeah, classic Megaman sure was silky smooth at 60fps.

>>378652574
Do you not know what fps is? It's okay to admit when you don't know something.

>play DS1
>try to go back to Asylum
>friends say it's easy as fuck, you just have to roll onto the pillar
>doesn't work after 10 tries so I have to make a wonky as fuck jump onto it
>later on, learn that DSFix has a 30/60 FPS toggle
>rolling works perfectly at 30FPS

>>378652698
Doesn't it have a speed limit on its controls as a gameplay element?

If a game doesn't let you move your mouse quickly high framerate has little impact

Why can't current gen consoles run games (with a few, very few exceptions) at 60 fps?

>>378648950
>person who doesn't know anything about videos enjoys a bad one
Wow, nice fucking point, faggot.
Maybe you could give them ET the video game, while at it.

>>378652961
you just happened to make your jump on 30fps after failing a bunch of times beforehand. get better at jumping/rolling instead of blaming the frames

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>>378652340
I never said they reshape them. I said they atrophy parts of your brain you stop using, kind of like you atrophied your literary faculties.

>>378652434
Actually a pretty good example! I wouldn't want a PC gamer to be my goalie in a regulation Soccer match. He would wait for certain visual cues that a non-PC gamer would anticipate innately.

>>378652487
I'm not sure what you're talking about or why you are equivocating me with a Sony fan in particular. Games are more beautiful when they are immersive experiences. PC gaming doesn't offer this. 21 years since Super Mario 64. Still no game with the level of fluidity of those controls. You don't have that level of fluidity in part because the devs are too busy navel-gazing at stuff like overclocking games to run unstably. No games should ever run at 30 fps because you sacrifice all that processing power for a lesser experience. Hence again, why you have no Mario.

>>378652975
I played DS1 with a mouse (used the mouse fix though) and never experienced that
Maybe it's just for controllers because analog sticks only determine the direction you move the camera, and it moves slower with higher equip burden?

>>378652975
No, of course not. BB on ps4 and DS2 on pc have similar controls. DS2 doesn't play "faster", just much more smoother.

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>Tfw you always play games at 30FPS so you can get higher resolutions

>>378653123
>you just happened to make your jump
It's not supposed to be a jump, it's supposed to be a roll you fucking retard. Jumps and rolls are slightly shorter at 60 FPS leading to you not being able to roll off the grassy knoll onto the pillar on 60 FPS, you can google it if you don't believe me

>give a starving African kid a rustlers microwave burger
>They eat it and enjoy it no problem

>give a middle class white kid a rustlers microwave burger
>wtf this tastes like cardboard?! Where can I get a real burger around here? This is trash!

>>378653070
Because it's cheaper to make and people will continue to buy them regardless.

>>378648950
>someone with no standards can enjoy a product of inferior quality
op is a faggot

>>378648950
PC mustard gas curse themselves by insiting on playing things at the highest fps possibly, they literally can't go lower than 60 without seeing some serious framedroppage, cause that's the thing, you get used to the higher frames, I used to have a toaster, and anything even like 19 fps seem'd fine to me, but now I have a good machine, and regularly get the best fps the game offers on default, now when a game drops I really start to see it.

So if anything, console plebs have the upside of being able to enjoy lower frame rates than pc dorks, it's a double edge sword really
I dont get the absolute snobbish insistence, they act like it should just be industry standard but I think that's just cause they've ruined themselves to lower fps
It's not necessary unless you're used to higher rates

>>378652792
>A game running at 30fps makes it a waste of money
>Missing out on good games because you think you can't game on multiple platforms

>>378653224
If you can't move your camera FAST you don't notice low fps

why do you think consoletards don't consider it a problem

fucking idiot

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All these nigger excuses for 'next gen' not being able to reach a 20 year old standard.

>>378653070
Are you serious? It's because casuals only care about pretty setpieces, so they have to pump up MUH GRAFIX

>>378653410
>they literally can't go lower than 60 without seeing some serious framedroppage
What?

>>378648950
sounds like an argument in favor of higher framerates if people who have tried them can't go back

>>378653415
why defend it so fervently if it's not a mistake? i spent too much money on my PC and have a few different consoles. i can shit on all of them with regard to certain aspects. defending it just makes you look insecure, hence maybe you made a mistake.

>>378653605
frame drops
lower frame rate
less frames
not as many frames as before

>>378653183
>source: my ass

This is the most outlandish shit I've ever seen a 30fps console pleb ever say in defense of mediocrity. I've heard the "immersion" bullshit before but "ocular atrophy"... Jesus.

You dumbasses will come up with anything to confirm your own biases and justify your shit purchases

>>378653642
>everyone should be shooting up all day because heroin addicts can't go back

>>378653070
Because consoles are built with the equivalent of mid-range laptop specs. It's pathetic how poor the hardware in them is. The One can't even run games in 1080p.

>>378653451
Are you fucking retarded or have you never played an 60fps game before?

>>378653715
wow good analogy you've changed my view on framerates

>>378653693
Yes, but for any sane person, "seeing serious frame droppage" just means that there's a big drop in FPS happening
I think you meant to say that they're overly sensitive to small FPS drops, which is the opposite of what you actually said

>>378653451
You can see frame skips, even in slow movement, you fucking moron

>most AAA games are made for consoles
>that means their graphic quality is not what they could be
>Porting to PC thinking about the 99% of PC gamers
>99% of PC gamers still has below 2GB vram, 16gb ram and below mid-tier GPUs
>PCmastergoys think they need a $400+ GPU for just adding a bit of background/texture noise,upmeme resolutions just to enjoy the game
>PCmastergoys are upset when devs don't cater to the 1% of PC gamers and make meme pictures comparing consoles to PC

>>378653805
I play on 240 fps, now go crawl back up your own arse and come back when you have an argument

>>378653493
Titanfall 2 is 60fps locked (900p though) on ps4/one and the graphics look great.

>>378653852
Oh, I see now, thanks brah

>>378654151
>claim to play games at higher frame rates
>"you can't tell a difference unless moving fast!"

Lol sure thing buddy

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>>378648950
>a person who has never had sex can fuck an ugly girl and enjoy it

>a Chad who can fuck any girl he wants will think she's disgusting and won't even cum

explain this

>>378654195
Good goy eat your slop.

>>378654084
What's the current cut-off point for "mid-tier" Nvidia GPUs? Just wondering if I'm already slipping into toaster tier with my GTX 580

I've never understood people that avoid games bc they run at30 fps and claim that they are unplayable. Seriously every second game since the ps2 era ran at 30 fps. PC gaming in the early 00's and 90's didn't target 60 fps eithner. And even on the NES and SNES 1/3 games would run at 30 fps.
I love playing on higher framerates, but fuck that. If it is not possible to play at 60 fps I won't drop a game just for that reason. Imagine not playing games like mario 64, zelda oot and majoras mask. Bloodborne, the new zelda just bc you like to pretend that a game is unplayable when it doesn't run at 60 for some elitis BS.

>>378654195
>Can't even play AAA titles at 1080p

Fuck me, how shit.

>>378654313
Check Steam. Most PC gamers are 2-3 gens behind.

>>378648950

Controllers unironically make 30fps "better" since they're less precise. With a KB+M first person games are awful.

>>378654303
Don't bulli.

>>378648950
I own both console competitors and no PC but have you ever tried making a hard turn in a 24 fps game? It will blow out your eyes.

60 fps needs to be a minimum before 4k starts to be considered. But like you said, hand someone who doesn't play games a 4k 20fps game and they'll say it is the best thing ever.

Let's put our money together to hire op one night with a model, doesn't mean she hasn't sucked a thousand dicks before hand.

>>378654263
>moving
I very specifically said camera movement bucko

>>378654313
I'd say 970 is mid-tier right now especially if you want to play at anything above 1080p.

>>378654296
Fat girls can be a good root even if you've had a lot of sex before.

>>378654321
Name ONE person who said they refuse to play 30fps games.

You fuckers exaggerate so much when people dare to criticize mediocrity.

>give a starving african baby who has never eaten in their life rotten maggot-infested shit-contaminated milk
>they drink it and enjoy it no problem

>give a normal human being the same milk above
>WTF I cant enjoy this it's disgusting and expired!?

explain this.
>food analogy

>>378654362
Lol no they're not. You've got casuals who just play dota/cs go/league, but the third most played requires a fucking supercomputer.

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>Game is 30 fps.
>Well this is still pretty fu-
>Game can't hold that 30 to save it's life and you play most of the game in 12-15 fps.

That is the only true fucking crime.

>>378654532
Same difference faggot. You can still tell a difference, Sony pony

>>378654646
total biscuit and all his jabroni fanboys

>>378654624
No they aren't. Had sex with a 17 year old one many years ago and I was grossed out. Never again. And that was after being dry for 16 months.

I'm mostly a consolefag and even I know higher framerate's pretty important. Mario Kart Wii's not a particularly good looking game, but it has a stable 60FPS when playing alone or offline with 2 people. Playing online with 2 people, on the other hand, cuts the framerate down by half and it's pretty noticeable.

>>378654718
>same difference
[insert ''/v/ doesn't play actually videogames'' meme here]

>>378654716
This tbqh. It's why I prefer the Vita version of Shin Gundam Musou to the PS3 version.

>>378654646
Total Bisquit and his reddit posse. Just look how much flag devs get in steam for that shit. "Literally unplayable, I'm gonna refund if this isn't fixed". Go at the steam page for killer is dead and enjoy those retards crying. They literally can't play the game bc it runs at 30fps. Some retards edit the config file and play through it. Problem is when you do that the AI of enemies is useless and quicktime events are broken. And yet they play through the game like that instead of opting for 30 fps.

>>378652574
>it's meant to be played slowly
Only if you're bad

>>378651197
PC Gaming's not even that expensive, unless you decide to splurge

>>378650483
15 fps was a 'thing' for like a few years, when 3d was new (early in n64/ps1 lifecycle) and people were playing pc games in software mode

before that 60fps was the norm in 2d games, as well as everything in arcades. after that it obviously split between 30 and 60

>>378654716
Dark Souls,
BoTW,
Dead Rising 3

I'm looking at you.

>>378650483
Lol sure you are kid, except you'd know games did run at 60 on the NES

>>378648950
>a person who has never played a game in their life
And we should care about these "people" why, exactly?
We tru gamers, don't mess with us.

>>378648950

>play games at 144 frames per second
>suddenly, play with less than a quarter of the visual information per second

Gee, it's almost like you get used to a standard and then when something falls below you, it becomes much more noticeable than if it had always been the standard.

That being said, I can still enjoy console games that run at 30 FPS, but in an ideal world, every game runs at least at 60 FPS, and hopefully is just unlocked with enough horsepower to reach 120+

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Great thread OP.

>>378655106
To be fair. I love dark sous at 60 fps. And I can finish the game without dying once, but it doesn't matter if I do it on my pc or ps3. The dodge windows are large enough that you don't need this extra frames to know when to dodge. The only difference is one looks more fluid than the other.

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Pc fags are literally the vegans of gaming. Just enjoy the fucking game.

Poorfags with no logic and no PC: The Thread

>>378655354
Blacked when?

>>378655565
Play on both PC and console and 30fps games don't bother me in the slightest

>>378654321
It's not about outright refusing, I mean if I really want to play some 30FPS game I'll play it (such as stuttery console exclusives), but nowadays there are so many, many games I can choose from that I often don't see the point to bother with a game which will provide less enjoyable gameplay when I can just pick something else which will be much more pleasant. Why play the stuttery game when I can play something else which also runs well? I'm not going to pick the unpleasant game unless I've got a huge boner for that series or something, it's rare nowadays for me to get absolutely fixated on a particular title due to the aforementioned wealth of choice and as such games locked to 30FPS are always low-priority in my backlog.

a solid 30 is okay for rpgs, walking sims, etc

60 is fine for anything using a controller

anything where you aim with a mouse needs to be over 60

>>378653257
>tfw your PC isn't trash so you can get 1440p 144fps

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>>378656027
"Precisely" this.

>>378656556
>>378656027
>>378654451
Best case scenario is a game with lapses of quick reaction gameplay over the course of several seconds at a time. Or let's cut the crap and just go with a bullet-hell shooter. The human eye can't perceive beyond 30 or so frames in a stream, so it doesn't actually help that you run higher fps. Ultimately the motion is a placebo, and you and the 30 fps player are interacting with the same amount of information.

Additionally K&M might be better for the reaction but you have less control than an analog option for the actual precision of the shot so on that front controls are a wash.

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>>378656372
>1440p
>High resolution
lmao

It's the CURRENT YEAR. 4K or bust.

>>378657909
I didn't say good, I said not trash.

@378657873
"The human eye can't perceive beyond 30 or so frames in a stream"

uuuuuuhhh no sweetie, that old ass bait doesn't even get a (you)

and stop quoting multiple peeps in hopes to grab attention LUL

>>378657909
>implying you can run games at 4k 60fps don't be delusional kid, even the most expensive GPU today has troubles with 4k 60fps

@378658095
You can perceive them, that doesn't mean you can distinguish them.

I was fine on xbox 360 30fps garbo, didn't felt bad at all. Then I got a PC with a 60hz 1080p monitor and I couldn't go back and play console anymore (mosty because of the framerate but not only that)

Then I got a 144hz monitor and holy shit, 60fps is trash tier now I can't stand it like I couldn't stand 30

>>378658358
>Being too poor for dual 1080Ti's on SLI

Don't touch me, poorfaggotry is contagious.

@378658374
Actually, you can.

>>378659078
>sli in current year

That's how you know it's bait

Sounds about right, the only people who enjoy 30 fps are people who know fuck all about video games

>>378650717
the one truth right here, anyone who says otherwise is baiting or retarded

>>378648950
Some people (autists) just take memes way too literally, like bronies for example.

>>378648950
>give someone who has never seen a movie Twillight
>they call it fun
>give anyone with standars Twillight
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The only solution is clearly to never consume any media whatsoever

You fucking retard

>>378648950
they're all fucking spoiled children that never had a shitty pc. T: pc gaymur 4lyfe that can handle low FPS if the game is interesting