>"Sombra is shit!" >People trying to play her

>Playing Overwatch

No, you are.

>>378629743
>Sombra isn't the problem, you are.

>multiple translocator bugs don't exist
>hack bug doesn't exist
>smg louder than bastion's minigun, with worse spread than bastion's minigun doesn't exist

She bad fampai.

>>378629743
envy us uses her pretty often so she must be good :^)

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>>378629743
Pharah is cute

>>378630276
People tell me names like this all the time and someone named seagull or something but I've no idea who these people are

>>378630382
its the well known 'pro' team/players/streamers. seagull is some fat nerd that plays genji/hanzo/zarya.

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Don't bother, op. They want more characters who basically play themselves like Ana or Rein.

>>378630527
Ahh, I don't watch the pros or streamers.

Why do Defense heroes all suck?

>>378630801
They don't???

>>378630716
It's the same with most characters, go for low risk high reward because their skills are shit

Post Sombra

>Sombra will never BOOP your dick

>>378632973
>Sombra will never hack your device and show you your entire shit-posting history and threaten to blackmail you with poating it if you don't fuck her in her tight and slightly smelly asshole

>>378629743

>playing overwatch
>playing objectively one of the worst characters in overwatch

So glad I uninstalled this trash

>bronze to gold friendo likes to use her
>Didn't get anything done, always makes fight 5v6
>Barely use her outside brawl
>Always get 10+ kill streaks teleporting behind their healer

I'm kinda scared she is getting more popular because you know more often than not she's just going to be a liability

>>378631498
They do

>>378634159
It's the players more than the characters though. People think picking Rein, S76 etc instantly means that they are instantly a better player even though they still have shit aim, positioning, game awareness

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The problem with Sombra is that they have her listed as defense.

She's isn't defense.
Sombra isn't defense.
Do you fucking understand me? Do you see these words?
Sombra isn't a fucking defense character.

Your team gets slaughtered because they are constantly outnumbered because your team has the front liners and a healer and then they have... Sombra.

When you pick Sombra, your team is missing a player because Sombra is always off running around doing whatever the fucking cyber-beaners do.

Sombra is a bad support character. When you pick Sombra, you are actively choosing not to back up your team in any meaningful way. She can't stop the advance like Torb or Sym. She can't heal as well as real healers. She can't kill like a defense or offense. She just runs around los invisible and sorta kinda picks off low health enemies (ay caramba ese). She literally only helps out when she can use her ult and even then it's probably too late to save her poor, outnumbered team.

Fuck Sombra. Build wall.

>>378633890
how would you know shes one of the worst characters if you uninstalled

>>378634490
>Sombra
>Defense
wut

>>378634490
You typed all that and you couldn't bother verifying that she's listed under "Attack," not Defense

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>he fell for the overwatch meme

>>378629743
>10th sombra thread in 4 days
What's going on

>>378634571
>attack
No such thing

>>378634701
Offense, damage, whatever you want to call it, I don't care

Envyus uses her quite often, to great effect. She actually has a very useful kit, it's just that shitters who are bad at the game want an easymode character like 76 so they can run around pretending it's CoD. A properly played Sombra can be a nightmare for the other team.

That being said I still feel she could use some buffs. What I would do is make it so damage doesn't knock her out of invisibility or prevent it from activating, and make it so she doesn't scream a loud ass voice line when she comes out of stealth. Reduce the time between coming out of stealth and being able to perform an action. The stealth character needs to have better, more effective stealth. Maybe make it so damage doesn't stop Hack either

>>378634490
Tracer, Reaper and Genji also run off on their own to flank the enemy so I guess they are useless too.

>>378634490
>She's isn't defense.
>Sombra isn't defense.
>Do you fucking understand me? Do you see these words?
>Sombra isn't a fucking defense character

Blizz agrees with you

>>378634884
They kill things and can keep pressure on the other team. Sombra can pea shoot people who are already hurt but cannot keep any sort of pressure on the other team. Learn2play

>>378635146
Pros play Sombra I guess they need to learn2play :^))))))))))

Why are there two egyptian characters in this game if egyptians hates the fuck out of americans? Why pander to that ethnicity when there are plenty others who don't hate americans?

>>378635146
Sombra does more damage than you think,she's great against tanks and they are great for building her meter which in turn allows to fuck the enemies shit up. Plus the passive to allow you to see who is weak and who you can prey on is great for your team in general. Try actually playing her instead of talking out of your ass.

>b-but sombra is good if she's played by an insanely good player against shit players!

this argument is so dumb, but it shows up every time somebody points out what a bad character sombra is.

Yeah, a guy with a pointy stick can beat a guy with a machine gun if he's just way better and smarter and sneakier, but that doesn't mean a pointy stick is as good of a weapon as a machinegun. Sure, maybe you can manage to annoy people to death with Sombra if you way outskill them but she's still a shit character.

She has the lowest win rate in both competitive and quickplay. She is objectively the worst character in Overwatch.

>>378635378
I'm not insanely good and I do great with her. You're just shit with her. Also the reason your team loses with her is because you don't take advantage of the huge openings you make, the openings are almost as huge as your gaping asshole.

>>378635378
Nobody said this. She's good in the hands of a good player, regardless of the skill of the opposing player. Pros use her to great effect.
>qp
>competitive
Hahahahahahahahahahaha nobody gives a fuck about the stats of shitters and low-rank cucks. Tell me Sombra's win rate in Diamond+

>>378635378
Sombra is the newest hero. She's also the de facto thrower hero so her overall win percentage will be skewed.

I guarantee in a year people will have figured out how to play her and she'll be as viable as any other off-meta pick.

t. GM Sombra

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>most ultimates in the game have the potential to straight up KILL an entire team or save your entire team by itself

>somehow people think Sombras is super strong when all it can do is mildly inconvenience the enemy team

Why do people pretend her mediocre ultimate is amazing? It's like a shittier version of Death Blossom or Rip Tire. Hell, if you kill literally nobody except for the enemy healer with Rip Tier or Death Blossom then it was already more effective than EMP

If the idea is to combo it with your team mates, its not even the best for that. Graviton Surge and Mei's Blizzard and Hammer Down are more powerful for allowing your party to run in and get a team wipe following your AoE ultimate

>>378635708
Lmfao detected the goldcuck. Get better at the game and learn about synergy, then you'll realize the game is more about UNGA BUNGA ME KILL ENEMY

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>>378635708
>mildly inconvenience the enemy team
>completely removes skill/ult/barries/turrets
>mildly
t.silver

>>378635708
>Mildly inconvenience

Shutting down all abilities and ults in a team fight. Ok.

>>378635530
diamond: 44% win rate (worst of any hero)
master: 44% win rate (worst of any hero)
grandmaster: 46% win rate (worst of any hero)

>>378635928
Source: your obese ass

>>378635928
>Sombra is bad because numbers on a screen tell me so!
Imagine being this cucked lmao

>>378635809
>>378635827
>>378635841
>being this delusional
this shit lasts 6 seconds. By comparison, dying, respawning, and walking back from the spawn room to the objective takes much more than 6 seconds. It's not too hard to find cover if you have good positioning to stay alive for the 6 seconds, too. At worst the EMP is just going to mess up positioning, but a bunch of other ults are better at doing that anyway

>>378636028
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes

>>378636242
3/10

>>378636242
Hahahahahaha

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>>378630381
>You are going to cum in me, dead or alive!

What does she mean by that?

>>378636298
Symmetra and Torb have the highest win rates in Grandmaster competitive, and both are useless low-tier heros in professional play. This list is absolutely meaningless, discarded.

>>378635708
>Zarya's ultimate cannot kill and needs to be comboed
>Reinheart's ultimate barely tickles and needs to be comboed
>Zenyatta's ultimate cannot kill and needs to be comboed
>Roadhog's ultimate cannot kill and needs to be comboed
>Ana's ultimate literally needs to be comboed otherwise its completely wasted
>Orisa's ultimate needs to be comboed or it as well is completely wasted

>Sombra's ultimate is bad tho

>>378636457
>torb
>usesless in pro play
spotted the clueless cuck

>>378636457
They have 1% pick rate or less. They're only being used on defense in unusual situations where they're a good counterpick to the enemies specific heroes.

>>378629743
The problem is sombra players don't fucking switch off sombra when it's not working. I've seen her win games solo and i've seen sombras constantly run in and die over and over. Please just switch if you suck.

>>378636581
>used on one specific point of one specific map on defense
>h-he's good!

>>378635594
Orisa is newer

This topic shows the problem with Overwatch, if you aren't getting kills then you're bad. This is the mentality that we have to work with, never mind helping the team in a team based game. Jesus Christ.

>>378636546
I'm not saying Sombras ultimate is bad. I'm saying it's average or mediocre. People frequently try to justify that Sombra isn't a bad character by saying her ultimate is so amazingly good, which is a lie. Her ultimate is just average.

>>378636781
Lmao

>>378636781
It's the best fight initater in the game. Prove me wrong.

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>>378636772
Well, I just get one thing playing Symmetra:
If your team scream on you, then it works

>>378636772
More like if you don't get kills, or you don't prevent your team from getting killed then you are bad. Sombra does neither. Every other character can either kill the enemy or protect their allies and keep them safe. Sombra can hypothetically get kills and heal with her med kit but ultimately she has no impact on either front.

>>378636884
44% win rate

there i proved you wrong

>>378630119
>She's bad
Git gud

>>378629786

>there are STILL anti-OW shills in here

didn't your employers learn that your work here is worthless?

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reminder that if you play anything below C tier you are probably bad and not helping your team at all to win.

>>378636943
That's because YOU want your team to get the kills for you. YOU want the healers to come to you because you can't be fucked running to them yet you need their help. Sombra needs good team mates and you're obviously just a huge cunt.

>>378637009
Again,shit teammates

>>378634490
How embarrassing

>>378637097
why don't Sombra mains just admit that she's a bad character and feel good about themselves for managing to win games with the Dan Hibiki of Overwatch?

>>378637250
Your reasons for her being bad are 1) there's a couple of bugs, and 2) her SMG is loud and scawwy

>>378634605
Where can I buy that Snoo hat?

>>378637315
The reasons she is bad are a lot of various small things which culminate in the objective truth that if you have a sombra on your team, you are objectively less likely to win

>>378634319
No???

>>378637495
I'd love to see some stats to back that opinion up

>>378636772

It's a classic issue that is present in modern day stat based games. Good at DnD, largely it operates on the same principals as Overwatch. Team based combat where players can take a multitude of roles. But the reality is unless your characters abilties 100% cripple or lock down the opponents, you are always better off to just deal as much damage as possible.

>>378637559
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes

>>378637630
>1.5% pick rate
>The reason you lost
Sure buddy.

>>378637630
>>378637009
Meaningless

>>378637782
I didn't say she's the reason I lost. I said that if you have a Sombra on your team, then you are statistically less likely to win. The numbers back that up.

What's amazing is that this "sombra makes you lose" trend is true at every level of play, from bronze to grandmaster. She is truly a shit character

>>378637135
I don't think you understand what a shill is. It must be summer.

>>378637182
I play Pharah and Zenyatta so it looks like I'm ok.

>>378637182
>Winston and Dva above Rein
Ex fucking cuse me

>>378638201
Pro meta is shifting towards dive comps. Rein doesn't work in dive comps.

>>378638201
the meta has transitioned from hiding behind rein shield to diving into the other team

People actually play this garbage?

The porn is free ffs

>>378638246
What is charge

>>378638330
An easy way to get instakilled? You don't dive into another team with Rein, he doesn't have tools for that like Winston and D.Va

>>378638316
Found the weebcuckold

>>378638495
>An easy way to get instakilled?
That's why you always run Zarya with him

>>378630119
>hack bug doesn't exist
what hack bug?
The only bugs I've found so far is that if you use an ability right when the hack goes off strange shit happens. Mei will still get her iceblock, but Reaper will be unable to fire if you go into wraith form during it.

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>>378638654
>>That's why you always run Zarya with him
>I'm with a rein and he always tells me when he's charging so I know when to barrier him.
>As everyone turns to him I jump in after
>mfw the enemy team is stuck between a flailing hammer man and my 100% energy laser light show.

>>378637974

>it must be summer

it is, retard, if you left your basement from time to time you would know

and I don't think you understand that Overwatch is hugely popular and critically acclaimed game played by fuckton of people and only people hating on it are pathetic losers like you that can only shit up this board

>>378637182

Reminder that if you get influenced by such a pathetic bait and care what this literal nobody says, you need a thicker skin

Reminder that this shit is taken just from tournaments and in no way showcases an actual use of characters

Reminder that you can play Tier 5 character well and be more useful for you team than Lucio or Soldier

Reminder that Overwatch is about having fun

>>378638201
>>378638330
people thankfully got tired of standing behind a rein doing shield wars with other teams until it broke and a hook/pick happened. dive comps make the game so much more fun/hectic/faster.

>>378640010
I've been saying it for a long time now. If the defending team has a Rein the attackers should have 2 tanks that can bypass him. Having 2 Reins dance in front of each other while no one does damage just wastes all your time, and time is on the defender's side.

>>378639543
>it is, retard, if you left your basement from time to time you would know
100% summer child confirmed

>>378629743
do people forget that this is literally the same shit that happened when tf2 came out?
everyone said spy was shit because they played him like a rushdown character. Sombra isn't some tracer bitch, she needs to decloak behind enemy lines in a safe place so she goes unnoticed, and then go behind the enemy and hack them and shit. it's not fucking rocket science

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Who cares about the game,
I am here for the waifus.
Post the fucking waifus.

>>378640717
>I am here for the waifus
this isn't >>>/aco/ fuck off and make a thread there

>>378640717
go back to /a/ then you fucking faggot

>>378639871
>Reminder that Overwatch is about having fun
t.silver

>>378640717
I want to marry D.Va even if its frustrating to play against a good one

>>378640347
>summer child
>>>/reddit/

>>378638602
You are the cuck who plays Blizzshit products

>>378640845
>still doesn't get it
>>>/reddit/

>>378640845
>>378640941
>being this autistic
go to bant if you want to argue like children over something that isn't vidya mongoloids

>>378641092
>>>/reddit/

>>378640509
You have to remember that the community needs to be told by someone that it's ok to use them since they can't make their own opinions up

Sombra's fun to play, but I'm not going to pretend she's good. It's like seeing a Genji in Quick Play. Instant 5v6.
She only exists for her Ult and Health Pack denial.

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Top Koreans already use Sombra on every other map.

>>378639543
>and I don't think you understand that Overwatch is hugely popular and critically acclaimed game played by fuckton of people and only people hating on it are pathetic losers like you that can only shit up this board

Spoken like a true retard straight from reddit and I say that as someone who plays OW myself.

>>378644013
Americucks btfo

>>378634381
A shitty S76 will still accomplish more than an above-average Sombra, Reaper or Hanzo.

>>378644835
Proof?

>>378634860
>this shitty character can be good in the hands of a top player

Nice argument bro, now give that top player a good character and see him shit all over the other one.

>>378644897
>Le pro argument

You forget you aren't and never will be a pro so this will never apply to you and in fact only applies to a small handful of the player Base

>>378645148
Did you misread my post or something?

>>378629743
shes an average character that requires an above average amount of skill to be effective.
shes not bad but not worth dedicating the time to master

>>378645212
No, you're just a stupid fuck.

>>378629743
Yep and fun fact she isnt even the hardest to use its almost like people "miss" her bread and butter gameplay style on purpose.

>>378634490
Good thing she's an offense character then, huh?

>>378645293
I don't even get your point because it seems you're saying the exact same thing that I already did. Maybe you should calm down for a second and read those posts again.

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>>378636369
She wants to make many babies with you.

>>378644013
They use Sombra on 2CP defense and that's about it, and even then she's only used a quarter of the time on Anubis with almost all of her usage being on Volskaya.

>>378639543
>lots of other people play it so that justifies me wasting my time playing a shit cancer game
I know you don't really believe this deep down in your heart.

>>378645683
I know these people personally, there are actually folk out there that think that if something is popular and talked about it has to be good.

I want a Mexican hacker gf

>>378629743
While Sombra does need some minor buffs and tweaks, she really isn't bad. I think the problem most people have is they frankly don't know how to use her. She counters certain characters really hard, tanks especially, and is best used to take down those targets.

>>378645864
>She counters certain characters really hard, tanks especially, and is best used to take down those targets.
Problem being her gun, while having one of the best DPS rates in the game, has a terrible per-bullet damage which means any armor cuts her DPS in half, which leads to people thinking she does shit damage.

>>378636781
>I'm not saying Sombras ultimate is bad. I'm saying it's average or mediocre.

You think that noob b8 ults like death blossom or rip tire is more useful which immediately invalidates your opinion.

So what's next? Hanzo's ult is the best ult ever because you can kill a whole team of bronzes with it?

>>378644013
guess who won the set?

>>378646321
>>378645864

this basically, people think they shouldnt have to track with her for some reason

>*UNCLOAKS LOUDLY*
>BEAN HERE AL ALONG
>*FIRES LOUD SMG*
>JAJAJA
>MY GONDOLA'S USELESS

Great stealth character Blizzard.

>>378646867
Is this when you samefag about how funny gondola is?

>>378646951
I you want to believe that sure, I just like bumping Sombra threads.

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>>378646867
Blizzard could learn a thing or two about stealth characters.

>>378630716
>Ana
>plays herself
oh so /v/ doesn't actually know shit about games, good to know

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>>378637182

>>378640347

'confirm' whatever you want, fuckface, doesn't make it true.

>>378644675

>Spoken like a true retard straight from reddit

reddit has much better and smarter users than /v/ so... thanks, I guess?

>>378645683

Overwatch is fucking fantastic game, the fact tons of people play it is just cherry on top, meaning I don't have to wait long for a game. What's your argument, here?

>>378647481
This. As far as Supports go Ana is the only one who's healing isn't autopilot dogshit design and since her health does not regenerate you need to decided between Biotic Grenade being for your team or your health.

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>>378647640

>>378635530
>le only le high rank mattersxddd
Hanzo is also a really good character then because high level players make him work
Same with Widow

Don't bother responding if you're not in diamond you virgin x^))))

>>378647658
her tranq gun is also incredibly powerful but is absolutely one hell of a skill shot to master.

>>378647658
This. Its amazing how many people bitch about Ana as if playing her is the same as something like Mercy or zen. Acting like every Ana player is capable of 100% accuracy with zero cooldowns, and a splash that covers the map whenever she tosses a nade.

>>378648256

t. ana main

>>378648116
Sleep Dart is a projectile so you need to be good at leading to get it to work. I think Ana is really balanced now, she still has a very strong defense but she can no longer kill like she used to. The only thing I'd change about her now is make Biotic Grenade slow down healing by 50% instead of completely blocking it.

>>378648731
Completely blocking it is fine I think. If for no other reason than it counters an ult that really doesn't have much in the way of counters.

>>378648793
I think 50% block is better, Zenyatta is already incredibly niche, he doesn't need a better healing having an ability that completely shuts down his only reason to be on a team.

>>378648731
I'm ok with the fact that they created a hard counter to Roadhog and healing in general

>>378648912
Zen is becoming less niche now actually thanks to Dive meta.

>>378648912
Zen cranks out high burst damage, his discord orb debuff turns the hardest target into paper mache, you can get away with having Zen as a dedicated healer in stronger teams and his ult can completely shut down an enemy teams push.

>>378629743
If any Sombra player would just fucking communicate that they are looking for an ult, then maybe your 4th point wouldn't happen so often.

>>378629786
>>378633890
>>378634605
Are quakequeers still mad?

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>play overwatch
>turn mic on so i can communicate with team
>OH EH A CANADIAN EH WHATS THAT ALL ABOOT EH? MOOSE LOL

every time

Blizzard really needs to do something about Roadhog and Reaper. There is nearly no reason to pick Reaper when Roadhog exists unless the team comp is built around Reaper.

>Hey guys lets give this character shotguns and he needs to get close to kill
>And now lets give this character a 25m hook that pulls people into his shotgun, what can go wrong?

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>>378649663

>>378649663
If they were to do anything they should nerf Roadhogs burst and increase the magazine size on his scrap gun. More shots less burst.
>>378649964
>le die die die wbm
Must be why Reaper is such a must pick in every pro game then

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>>378649964
Wow that was truly amazing I'll main Reaper now!

>>378650171
In case you haven't noticed, that was a pro game.

>>378649964
Pretty much the same thing can be done with other hero ults too, usually without sacrificing a slot for Reaper.

For instance, Grav Surge + EMP works wonders. Pretty much any offensive ult also works with it well, even something like Pharah's since it makes her just a tiny bit harder to shut down.

>>378650351
>one pro game
>See this one time where Reaper hits Q and kills a bunch of people? it's even a pro game! Reaper is totally meta now

k

>>378649964
>team comp built around Reaper

Yeah, just like I said. I can guarantee you none of that would have happened without Sombra's Ult and D.Va to DM anything being shot at Reaper.

>>378650171
Just shorten his hook range, that's really all he needs I think. Roadhog is a bit of necessity for cockroach characters like Tracer, Genji, and Lucio as well as damaging Rein's sheild. But his current hook range is barely shorter than McCree's optimal M1 damage range. For an instant kill combo, that is far too big a range.

>playing overwatch
ayy lmao

>>378649964
Literally could have been done with any other character with Sombra there to shut down the entire enemy team with her Ult. Tell me how this would have not worked with Soldier 76 instead of Reaper.

>>378650473
This is the same board that thinks Mass Effect, Call of Duty and Dragon Age are respectable classics, what do you expect?

>>378650438
I kinda think Hog would be a tiny bit more balanced if he had a deadzone too. Like an area where TOO close nets him less damage rather than more. To make it so getting close to him is risky, but if you can get inside of that range, you have the advantage. Right now Hog is simply optimal at far too many ranges.

>>378629786
I want an honest answer here. Why exactly do people call OW a bad game? Do people on this board genuinely hate its gameplay, or do people still get mad that Tracer's gay? I truly want to know.

>>378650438
The thing is cutting the range would almost make him useless even with his current burst damage. Punishing people for getting out of position and not utilizing their tanks properly is a perfect role for Roadhog, and yes, grabbing tracers/genji/lucio too. Nerfing his burst damage but keeping the range on hook would still let him be useful for setting up ganks, it would just require actual team play in theory. Hog does everything that reaper does only better.

>there will never be a skin that shows mei's armpits and underarms in game
>there will never be a skin that shows pharah's armpits and underarms in game

>>378650735
Most of it I think is people are either shitting on it because its popular, or over state how "simple" they think the game is. Everyone you hear bashing it talk about how casual it is generally are the ones who only either repeat what they hear from others, or who only have a very limited sense of understanding about the game.

>The "my character isn't underpowered" are the same people as "its my team's fault im bad"

God dam it it all makes sense.

>>378650735
Because it's pretty shit, I hate the game and I hate the gimmicky mechanics and I hate Blizzard but for some reason I still have fun from time to time

>>378647141

Phatom was fun before they gutted melee because playing beyblades phantom was antifun or something

>>378650864
I generally hear that as well from TF2 fans, because the TF2bers either play it, or shit all over it because they think the Ults and Abilities are cheap and whatnot. But hey, that's their opinion.

>>378629743
Sombra is fucking awesome, you need skill to play here, thats what makes her good

>>378650804
"Bad positioning" shouldn't mean being out of place at the ridiculous range Hook is. Again, it is just shy of being the same range as McCree's optimal M1 damage. There is nothing wrong with Roadhog being stronger on KoTH maps where close range skirmishes are a part of the game as opposed to Payload maps where it's more open. Hog just has too many options compared to Reaper. A death combo with McCree M1 range, an M2 that does a shit ton of damage and can even one-shot 200 HP heroes, and a self heal.

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>>378636231
>ignoring data
woah you sure got that 'cuck' r-right

>>378650804
While I do agree that the hook is great for doing something like that, I feel that partially the line of thinking has a problem.

Shouldn't it be the job of snipers to be picking off people with poor positioning? If someone leaves the safety of the shield, shouldn't it be someone like Widow or Hanzo who take them out? Hell, even without them, pretty much everyone can capitalize on that mistake, but instead for some reason its Hog's job to obliterate someone who steps out.

>>378651194
We might have to just agree to disagree on the range, I feel like it's just the amount of resilience and killing power packed into one character that's the issue, not necessarily just the range. Especially with given how many mobile heroes there are, as well as Pharah/Mercy floating around in the sky being able to reach out and grab a target doesn't feel too outrageous to me, what's outrageous is that he can do that plus kill on his own. If hook actually required some teamplay it would feel alot more balanced, imo