Daily reminder that this is the sorry state of fighting game

you have to do all that to make the demon?
that seems hard

>>378592479
>sorry state of fighting games

Why not just play other fighting game

>>378592479
>Daily reminder that this is the sorry state of **street fighter and we all have to thank capcom for it.
fix'd

>>378592618
You have to activate your v-trigger (red bar), then do light punch, light punch, forward light kick, heavy punch. Not that hard, just button memorization.
The webm is just showing you can do it apparently if you just mash every button like a moron.

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Revelator 2 just came out, fighting games are just fine.
It's the western fgc that is the problem, gobbling up shit like Street Fighter and Smash and praising them as the pinnacle of competetive fightan when they're nothing more than a decaying corpse of a series and baby's first fighting game.

Fighting games to me are meant to be played on the couch next to friends

autists especially the FGC take this shit to far

>Xrd Rev 2
>UNIEST
>Tekken 7
>Gundam
>ARMS
>Virtual On this one is a very much maybe)
>KOF still being supported

It's time to finally just move one from Capcom shit.

>>378593162
>>378593353
None of those games play enough like Street Fighter, sorry

>>378593550
Neither does SF5

>>378593217
>genre that started competition in arcades
>But this is what they mean to ME everyone else is the autist

>>378593113
>The webm is just showing you can do it apparently if you just mash every button like a moron.
That's nothing new to fighting games though. I used to button mash all the time and would somehow get supers in previous fighting games.

>>378592479
THISISMYGAEM

>>378593162
Are you talking about Melee or Smash 4? I think both are pretty fun, but Melee requires just as much if not more skill than any other fighting game. It's far as hell from being "baby's first fighting game."

>>378593353
I'm so hyped for UNIELst, I hope they announce localization soon.

>>378594083
is there a new uniel?

>casuals cant even pull off the shun goku satsu
darrkstalkers are dead forever

>>378594201
Yeah the new version is coming out on ps4 with 3 new characters.

>>378593162
>yfw max spent 5hrs failing 1 combo
lel

Man SF5 is the biggest disappointment I've bought on launch day

>>378592479
DO YOU SEE THAT?!

>>378593353
If gundam and Virtual On count as fightan why doesn't Armored Core?

Street Fighter 2 is more fun than 5

>>378592838
nobody is going to leave their own comfort zone,there are all these people complaining about SF yet these same people refuse to drop it,it's really not teaching capcom anything

>>378593898
So much this, when I was a wee lad I mashed the hell out of MvC1 just to activate the occasional super.

>>378592848
/thread

DID YOU SEE THAT SHIT

>performing a Demon raw
Useless.

>>378592479
demon worked like that in IV too and no one complained

>>378593550
That's why they're better off

>SFV is bad please play our irrelevant china fighter

Literally every thread.

SF6 when?

>>378592479
I liked this move better when you couldn't see as much.

>>378592848
Don't even try to pretend that NRS games aren't bat-shit stupid simple, either. They probably have even less of an execution barrier than SFV.

Really, anime games have always been the pinnacle of execution barriers. Like it or not.

>>378596483
Same. I liked it when it was ambiguous as to what was happening.

>>378592479
Capcom fuckboys thinking Capcom is the only company making or capable of making fighting games. Capcom hasn't made a good fighter since the fucking 2000s.

>>378593353
Tekken 7 really isn't that hard. Tekken was never really hard. Electrics are really the hardest thing Tekken has. Even those aren't that big of a barrier.

>>378592848
>literally have KOF, GG and Tekken waiting to be played
>capcbros refuse to switch

>>378594508
OK now you're just shit posting. Despite it's problems it's still WAY more fun than SF2.

>>378593353
>virtual on
EXPLAIN
EXPLAIN RIGHT NOW FUCKHEAD

>>378596783
Holy shit. /v/ really doesn't know anything about fighting games.

>>378595454
Nah. It had shortcuts. But you still had to do more than just face-roll your buttons to get demon.

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>>378596810
New Virtual On based on some crossover Light Novel with Index. PS4/Vita only. I honestly have no expectations for it, but it's at least something.

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>>378596701
>Just frames are the hardest thing in Tekken
>Not movement in general and the neutral game
>Execution is the barrier to fighting games

Why did you tell everyone that you know nothing about Tekken or fighters? Don't embarrass yourself again, 09'er.

This can't be real. Please tell me it isn't.

>>378593113
That's how fucking fighting games have always been, you mash shit like a retard to discover moves.
Sometimes the arcade cabinet shows you a couple special inputs, but not all of them. Nowadays you got all this wiki internet bullshit to spoonfeed you all of the inputs and frame data.

Surprise, fighting games aren't some super elite mastermind newtype superhuman genre. They're fucking guessing games, at the lowest level and at the highest level of play. They've gone to shit since Street Fighter II not because of the OP webm's stupid highlight of input shortcuts and other ease-of-execution buffering, but because they ALL went down the same path of "execution" over an actual fight. The fighting community even gave it cute little names like "becoming a singleplayer game" as though there's nothing fucking wrong it.

Among the fighting games today, SFV is actually pretty damn good, among the best. That's pretty fucking sad.
The only fighting game that looks truly appealing in the immediate future is Fantasy Strike. It doesn't beat around the bush and half-ass it like Rising Thunder did, it cuts out all of the bullshit to make a pure fundamental fighting game.
No/few combos, "execution" is set aside to make the game about getting in the right spot and landing decisive hits.
No bloated movesets, no redundant or useless moves; only a select number of attacks that are actually useful.
The pace is something reasonable so all players can read intent and react rather than dealing with shit like 2-frame punches and having not being able to react to a jump-in because of an 8f input delay.

>>378596332
After the abortion that is 5, hopefully never.

>>378596879
Oni player here. Getting a Demon out in SFIV was way easier than in SFV.

None of yall niggas played clay fighters.

>>378598523
This was the most retarded thing I have read. congrats.

>>378598523

Holy shit aint you a complete fucking retard.

>>378593898
except that this one super in particular is not one that is capable of being mashed out.

You can try mashing it out in any otheer street fighter game or crossover game before SF, but the raging demon input is arranged in such a way that if you make a mistake on the inputs in the sequence that it absolutely will not work and fails to activate. You must know the precise input for it to work and it requires dedicated practice apart from any other input in the franchise to even start.

You can buffer the input, but the sequence of inputs in itself cannot be interrupted by an incorrect button press. SF5 is the first game in the franchise to break this rule, meaning that it wasn't possible for a person unfamiliar with the exact input to perform the move by accident since the odds of nailing the exact in-match prerequisites (that were beyond rotating the dpad/stick and mashing) diminished with each aimless mash --- but now mindless mashing can achieve what is regarded in-franchise as the most powerful move.

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>>378598523
>false SF2 nostalgia
>mash to learn new moves
>fighting games are 50/50 by default
>solution to this is to remove execution ability
>dumbing it down is better so genetically inferior reactlets can play
o mate im laffin here what a crappa this was eh

>>378599160
What happened to the remake?

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>>378593113
>The webm is just showing you can do it apparently if you just mash every button like a moron.

This is your point?

Damn you're silly

You're really silly

You're so sill you're stupid

Capcom needs to overhaul V's fighting system. Call it Super SFV or SFV Turbo, I don't care, just stop acting like the game is fine when it clearly isn't.

>>378596927
man that's retarded. why cant they just make a regular new one

Why play SFV when you have new releases of Guilty Gear, King of Fighters, and Injustice?

I really don't understand whats going on with the devs of this game. I can't tell what they're thinking.

I don't need any other fighting game when Real Bout 2 and fightcade are a thing.

>>378600441

Guilty gear got casualized aswell, KOF 14 feels extremely floaty and with some extreme delay, im not even answering injustice.

To be honest i havent been able to enjoy a fighting game in a long time, SFIV was bittersweet, rather play 3s. Waiting on tekken 7 but honestly fighting games are going directly to the grave once again and im fine with this, maybe theyll make them good again without the need to cater to shitters.

>>378600441
They aren't called capcbros for a reason

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>>378596248
>he doesn't play irrelevant china fighters

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>>378593353
>ARMS

>>378600748
>im not even answering injustice.

edgy

>>378600748
Give UNIEL a shot. You might enjoy it.

>>378593550
SFV doesn't even play like Street Fighter.

>>378600748
>Guilty gear got casualized aswell
Simplified, which is not the same thing.

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>>378600748
>playing KOF after 13
>mfw you're being this god damn autistic
kys nigger.

It's pretty telling when Maximillian won't even play SFV that much and rather play Killer Instinct, Guilty Gear, and Injustice 2.

>>378600959
I don't understand. Did you mean to write "not playing KOF after 13"?

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I figured I would ask this here: For people who are put off by the complex combo inputs in the Street Fighter series, would Tekken 7 be a more appealing option? I want to get into fighting games and at 30, I am very very very late to the party. That being said I was wondering if Tekken is more "noob/scrub" friendly than SF.

Or would other series such as GG and KOF be better? Oh and no thanks to MK.

>>378600941

just because they didn't make it as brain dead as sfv it doesn't mean it wasn't casualized.

>>378601104
literal autism

>>378601082
If you have trouble with SFVs "complex combos" than there is only one fighting game for you. It's smash.

>>378600748
Uniel feels KOFish, with shity air dashes instead of hyper hops, but it's a fun game nonetheless.

super frametrap and pressure based if you're into that,

but yeah i hope fighting games can die again so devs wake up and realize esports is cancer and casuals will never put in the time to actually improve.

>>378593162
Rev 2 gutted my girl Jack-O
I'm not going to bother

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5 years later and the ghost of SFxT continues to haunt Capcom.

>>378601082
Don't bother with any of those and get Gundam Versus when it comes over here.

>>378601161
His post said nothing about SFV.

>>378600515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A

>>378601165
Only 2 characters in UNIEL can air dash though.

>>378601079
Not >>378600959
but i think he meant playing anything after kof 13,which yeah id have to agree,kof 13 was probably the last decent entry in the series.

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>>378601161
No thank you. I WANT to get into SF eventually but with the controversy surrounding SFV I would rather enter the FGC playing another series. That's all.

>>378601082
If someone cant even do combos in one of the easiest fighting games of this generation, you wouldnt even be able to move in tekken.

in terms of basic juggles/strings, shit's free.
in terms of moving/punishing/general knowledge shit, tekken is not exactly suited for beginners, even if you're a vetern of the genre since there's some shit you gotta unlearn since it just doesnt apply to tekken.

>>378601291
every character can air dash, what are you on about.

it's the same as their 6D ground hop

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>>378592479

here's the game you should be playing instead

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>>378601245
>There are people on this board implying SF3S wasn't the best fighting game ever made
Fucking kek,it's ether SF3S or Mark of the wolves.

>>378601614
I have been. Fun game.

>>378601580
Sorry, I was thinking of the double jump

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>>378601841
>3S is the best fighting game ever made

anyone who says this is either delusional or has never actually played 3S before.

which one are you

>>378601841
Vsav exists

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>>378601614
>Not Super Street Fighter II X: Grand Master Challenge
>mfw people will defend Final Chapters

Casuals please leave.

>>378593898
youre missing the point. its not that he got it to come out, its that he got it to come out consistantly and cleanly. If you just mash randomly you should get random moves. with akuma if you mash you get his super 100% reliably and with no "dropped" inputs. if youre mid combo you can just spaz the fuck out and get your super instead of having to do the input, which its balanced around.

>>378602061
>Yeah i played it,loved it for the whole pary system,the fact is that it worked damn well,whether you faggots like it or not,the original idea greatly improved upon in the "III" series.

>>378595215
this

>>378601841
>>378602061
3S is a good fighting game, just a shit street fighter game

parry ruined the neutral more than focus ever did

>>378602304
>raging demon
>mid combo
fuck off retard

>>378592479
Yeah, if you mash it you will get a raging demon eventually, but try hitting anyone with that in a real match, if you are using it on a setup shit is hard

And SF4 was even easier to do afaik

>>378602404
you dont belong here
fuck off

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>>378602304
Yeah, it sucks that no execution noobs can just combo into demon through mashing now

>>378592479
Damn, I can't get over how Akuma and Ken look in this game.

>>378602404
I'll admit that, 3s was leagues better than 2I was in practically every way, but by no means is it the best fighting game ever in my opinion

>>378602449
pretty much, i love and hate parries, but they were not a well designed defensive option, but they were an amazingly creative offensive tool.

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>>378602713
Whats wrong with it

>>378602694
>combo into demon
/v/ being dumb as usual.

>>378596717
This is just the mindset of the 09er. They don't know into fighting games as a genre play all of the games. They think it's like console war where you pick the first one you learned and then yell at everyone who plays something different.

>>378602713
Akuma looks good.

Its just Ken with his silly hair that bothers me.

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Fix the fucking servers Capcom
I wanted to play Ed today

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>>378602304
>/v/_plays_fighting_games.jpg

nigga wha

>>378596717
If they're so good why arent you playing them nwo instead of shitposting in the SF thread?

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>This whole fucking thread
I knew /v/ was shit at fighting games but I didnt think it was this shit

>>378602973
Whats his BnB? Most of his cool shit needs vskill

>>378601405
>>378600959
13 is the lworst KOF. it doesn't play anything like previous games since it went aniime-bullshit route. especially after 2k2UM and 98UM

>>378601614
>>378601614
I'm old enough that I played it when it first came out a decade ago for 15$ instead of 40$ unlike nintendo fans.

>>378602901
Those games are all bad. Capcom games were always the cream of the crop and street fighter was king. Just because capcom games suck now doesn't make 3rd rate games worth playing.

>sorry state of fighting games

GG, tekken, and even NRS are doing great get off capcoms nutsac

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31 MINUTES UNTIL VEGA IS BACK ON TOP WHO'S READY

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:^)

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>can never decide on a character

>>378593162
Xrd is a fucking mess, so no it's not doing fine at all.

>>378603868
pottery

>>378596717
>kof, gg, and tekken dickriders refuse to play the games the praise

0 online 0 in tournaments and locals

>>378603968
>xrd is a fucking mess

nigga did you play AC? not +R, vanilla AC.

that was a fucking mess.

>>378603458
t. 09er

>>378602973
They got delayed again didn't they?

>>378603237
mp>hp>rising from there you can burn meter to get the v skill follow up or just do the meterless follow up

>>378596332
After Darkstalkers 4.

>>378596701
Nina's wall carry is a bitch to learn. A few characters have some weird bullshit too. But it's true that the rest aren't ball-bustingly difficult.

>>378596595
>Don't even try to pretend that NRS games aren't bat-shit stupid simple, either

>proceeds to pretend that anime fighters are difficult

WEWLAD

>>378599775
Didn't happen because of rights fuckery.

>>378604212
Doubt it, just usual maintenance taking longer than expected shit from Capcom
You can do all the offline stuff and Ed is there on the select screen so I doubt they're goign to delay him out after today

that looks so shitty compared to third strike

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>>378603458
>Capcom games were always the cream of the crop
Unless they were one of these, right?

>>378604498
But rival schools is good.

>>378604498
Are we really calling power stone a fighting game?

>>378604356
>WEWLAD
This isn't a console war thread, you actually need to say what games you played and how was your experience. Otherwise you're full of shit.

>>378604114
Then we agree GG is a mess

>>378603968
If Rev2 is considered a mess then fighting games really are dead and never deserve to come back.

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>>378604815
exactly

>>378601082
up until SF have motion shortcuts but necessary 1 frame inputs until SFIV. that is because by removing the 1frame links you have SFV. a game that don't havemovements options and everyone can do the same shit.
Tekken, GG, Vs series, and KOF have easier combo system but you have to learn how the combo system works to maximise the damage. Vs Series and GG is about learning how the mechanics work to keep the combo going or abusing zoning. Tekken and KOF is about field movement and punishing.

>>378603690
delayed

>>378604498
VHun and VSav are fun though. Fuck the rest and fuck Street Fighter.

>>378605308
Retarded execution like in SF4 was cancer. We need more freedom in SFV instead of only lights into lights, mediums into heavies, and mediums into mediums but fuck 1f links and super fuck multiple 1f links in a single combo.

Where's that "/v/ fighting games thread starter pack" image where people pretend to play Garou and 3S and fucking Karnov?

>>378602534
>>378602694
>>378603051

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYzha3q65Tw ???

Yes i know they are resets/setups not true combos that doesnt change the fact that you can mash randomly and get your super 100% reliably.

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>>378605471
Meh, I expected it

Not sure what do you people see in UNIB. That game goes way overboard with its combos.

>>378605878
>karnov

lol, i think you mean that time when 3S stopped working on GGPO, so everyone had to run bootleg Karnov roms to spoof the server into running 3S.

>>378606015
That's what makes it cool. It also feels amazing to play.

>>378605704
SFV has different combo enders but none if them are viable since they're unsafe, do less damage, abd/or put you in a shit position. Every character needs to unga bunga oki, so you'll never see people branching out to different options until they fix the shitty meta.

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Injustice 2 is the best 2D plane fighting game currently out right now.


Fight me

>>378606450
>literally the two cheesiest characters in the game

>>378606015
combos in UNIB either do relatively decent damage or just straight up kill someone.

that's part of the fun, and is a decently made comeback mechanic once you take into account the lack of bursts/other good get off me tools. the fact that akatsuki can instant kill half the cast at 50% with 200% meter is kind of amusing.

rarely ever happens though.

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>>378606620
it accidentally cut at the end

>>378606450
>NRS
No

>>378593994
I grew up on the series too but you faggots need to shut the fuck up about this shit.

>>378606450
It's definitely the funniest, also offers a lot of content for the casual audience.

>>378606003
Thinking about picking up Akuma, thanks for this shit, man.

>>378606450
>Fight me
I dont want to play NRS trash though

>>378606730
This, Injustice 2 offers the most for casual audiences

>>378593113
Yeah, because that's what raging demon was known for, how difficult it was to execute.

Let's be honest. If you're in v-trigger and mashing every fucking button, you're going for the shun goku satsu.

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gllty

>>378607118
Is that a girl or a 'girl'

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>>378606450
>NRSbaby thinking he can compete

cute

>>378607408
dont matter when yo dick get sucked

>>378607442
That's funny because I was playing a lot of GG before Injustice 2 released.

Why do you thinking liking 2 different franchises is impossible?

>>378607582
he said I2 is the best 2D fighter out now, clearly not as anything NRS is below quality of other fighters except for shit fighter V. Even KoF is better

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>please play my dead game, please I'm so lonely: the thread

>>378607118
more please

>>378607027
>that's what raging demon was known for, how difficult it was to execute.

It really isn't. The input is extremely simple.

>>378596595
NRS do not make fighting games
They make childish imitations of fighting games right out of a bad depiction of it from a shitty sitcom made by old people

>>378607958
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

>>378607118
That is not actually gllty, although again, I would fuck the shit out of either.

>>378607958
Read the post he's replying to, it's sarcasm

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>>378600748
>GG got casualized
Mad at the unga Bungas?

>>378602958
>>378593113
That's pathetic. Mufasa there didn't deserve to be dumbed down like that.

>>378600748
BBCF is more complex than XrdRev2, how does this make you feel?

>>378609090
You sound like the kind of person that would shitpost about persona being better than SMT

>>378609137
I'm just telling you the truth. Accept your overdrive and ribcage overlords.

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>button mashing exists.

Wow, relevant and interesting thread.

Why does /v/ pretend to play fighting games? Before I get like 3 responses from the people that actually do, I get it, some of you do. But let's be honest most of you don't. Or you played through arcade mode on a few of them, or you did weapon master in SC2.

>>378609090
>>378609258
>Like half the mechanics
>More complex
I never understood this mentality

>>378604498
This. Darkstalkers and SF were the only good fighting games Capcom made, and SF only because it came early enough to be a lot of people's first fighting game. They are actually pretty shit and not a single SF is interesting compared to games like Garou or Samurai Shodown, which do a far better job of making unique neutral.

Darkstalkers really is a fantastic game series though.

>>378609387
Button mashing doesn't mean that.

>>378610172
Yes it does.

>>378609387
/v/ will do anything to bitch about SFV.

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Who here /French Bread/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVAEOZlVGro

>>378609536
Despite being an anonymous imageboard, a lot of people here try really hard to fit in. You should see the Quake threads. 99% of the people in those threads probably never played Quake for more than an hour at most and pretend they know what they're talking about.

>>378608586
I think xrd still has less unga characters than ac+. Depends how far in ungalands we're going to venture.

>>378610451
I think it's a teenage thing.

>>378608586
Xrd doesnt have Aba, so automatically less unga.

cant be unga without the queen of unga herself.

>>378610523
new to GG who else is unga in rev 2 other than leo?

>>378610390
who is that?

>>378609536
because fighting games are looked as being an 'elite' genre while at the same time not being quite as autistic as moba/rts/fps shit, and everyones played at least one fighter in their life so it's easy to say >hurr durr i play fightans.

but yeah /v/ is fucking ass at fighters, try going into a /v/ lobby for any game and enjoy the salt.

>>378609624
What is BB missing other than Blitz, Danger Time (which is awful), and multiple types of time-slow RCs? I'm ignoring any mechanics that just have different things in place like barrier vs fd, or od vs gold burst.

>>378610229
No, it doesn't.

>>378610635
Yo can Azrael join the fun too?

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>>378610704
One of the new UNIST characters for the console release, Wagner.

>>378610937
Yes it literally does. This has been a thing for actually ages now. Kids have been button mashing and accidentally triggering specials since specials were added to fighting games.

>>378611052
I didn't even hear about her. What does she do?

>>378610658
Sin, Slayer, Elphelt
>>378611007
no because Azreal is ghetto slayer and the only thing unga about him is his dumbass 5b and 236a. he's also not a gg character
fuck azreal

>>378593113
>if you just mash every button like a moron.
like every fighting game ever?

tekken has a entire character made around it, his name is eddy

>>378611134
no one knows yet, they haven't released any footage/movelists for her yet.

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>>378596927
dont play with me like that nigga
DONT PLAY WITH ME LIKE THAT YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.

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>>378596927
>>378611349
JESUS CHRIST IS REAL

WHAT A FUCK

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>>378611134
http://gematsu.com/2017/05/night-birth-exelatest-details-new-character-wagner
So they haven't shown much except for a few specials and the fact that she uses fire attacks.
Really like her design however.
Also
>An actual tutorial and combo trials

>>378593616
>>378600902
Literal children spotted.

>>378611524
That sounds great. I'm almost tempted to import.

>>378593353
>toaru majutsu virtual on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBJLRXQlVxE

well now i can say i've seen some shit

>>378593353
ARMS is gonna be another Pokken, tho.

>>378612224
Arms is actually trying to be fun however.

I don't play fighting games because i'm not a mutant.

Whats happening?

>>378612483
Do you know about the industry wide casualisation of video games?

That.

>>378612483
People who don't play fighting games and telling people that do that they're dead.

>>378600748
You sound like a Skullgirls player, but I assume you hate Skullgirls because you tried it in 2012.

Good laugh

>>378602449
>parry ruined the neutral
So you never played it, I see.

>>378614256
>hurr durr i'm ken
> hurr durr low forward buffer super
>oh it was blocked lemme just os parry and do it again
>oh they pressed a button and i os parried it, let me cr.mk again and super lmao
yeah okay.

>>378602587
>And SF4 was even easier to do afaik
It wasn't plus you telegraphed the hell out of it.

>>378614925
>just os parry and get thrown
Oh wow, that was hard.

>>378592479
I wish GG both didn't release a billion iterations of the same game so I feel like I wasted money every time I buy one, and that it had a decent playerbase. Shit flat out dies after a few weeks.

>>378615385
>playing on PC

>>378615381
you cant throw him when he's a full cr.mk distance away from you.

not even chuns kara throw goes that far.

>>378601082
I have started playing fighting games at an early age, and at ~30 now I can play any fighting game and beat it, but not master it the way I did kof back in the day, and I definitely can't beat the younger guys who seem immersed in newer games I'm not familiar with.

I am interested in hearing how you go about getting into this sensory-motor skill demanding genre of games, and how far you can get.

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Goodnight /v/, lets make a lobby tomorrow.

>>378611236
After learning the inputs for all of King's chain throws, the most depressing moment playing in an arcade for me was watching somebody execute them by just slapping all the buttons together over and over.

>>378607958
>It really isn't.
well the demon was always different to any of the degree supers that are in the game, so in comparison the demon was always one of the harder supers to pull off. that and zangeifs full circles

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>>378601082
>30 years old
>posting pepe and wojack

>>378601405
I don't think you even understand what you don't understand about KOFXIII, you liked it for the graphics and that's okay , but it's an "alright," fighter at best and KOFXIV nails everything that game got wrong aside from the visuals. XI was the last good entry until XIV and even that opinion is risky.

>>378601841
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 is a better game than Garou: MOTW.

Refute this point.

>>378592479
Okay then

>>378592479
just drop SF you 2D shitter

>>378595215
>implying there is a demon that isnt raw