Is this the best JRPG ever? It's been 5 years and i have

I don't know if ever but in the last decade definitely

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>>378575314
>Is this the best JRPG ever?
No, this is.

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>>378575314

>>378576560
>8 hour tutorial

no thanks

I made several YouTube videos shitting on it.
I feel as if it's universal praise is more of a means to shit on NOA than due to any of the game's merits.

Seriously though, the pacing and characters in this are terrible.

It was mediocre at best.

>>378576686
>I made several YouTube videos shitting on it.
Gonna need a link to your YouTube channel.

>>378576686
>the pacing and characters in this are terrible.
This is the exact opposite of how I feel about the entire story/cast.
I hope your bananas are all brown and mushy and you lose all interest in eating them.

>>378576706
there is no statement more indicative of someone not having played a game than this, especially a praised/popular one

>>378576835
>>378576871
>responding to cody

hello r*ddit newfag

>>378575314
isn't the main character named "shulk" or something? giving someone an awful, malphonic name automatically precludes it from GOAT type status

it doesn't matter though, the GOAT is probably Chrono Trigger even though it isn't my GOAT. It's most universally considered GOAT by highest number of people with generally valid opinions.

I'd say FF3 honestly but

>>378575314
Can't wait for Xenoblade 2 to be unable to live up to the masterpiece the first one was.

>>378576963
I played the game for 170 hours. At the time I enjoyed it but in retrospect it doesn't hold up, which is why I dropped my second playthrough.

>>378576963
>reconizing namefags is oldfag-core now
Ayyyyy lmao

How is the 3DS version?

>>378577265
worst way to play it but serviceable if you have no other way

>>378577076
It's already better by virtue of not having Shimomura on the music team.

>>378577375
>implying the first one didn't have an amazing soundtrack

>>378575314
is it even the best JRPG in its own franchise? haven't played this but it honestly doesn't seem to live up to xenogears based on many reactions calling the story far inferior

>>378576560
>Glorified VN
Fuck off

>>378577681
It did and even though she only did 11 songs this is one of the worst JRPG battle themes I've ever heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCR7pXMTiwU

>>378577265
It's pretty rough on the small screen but still fun. Been meaning to return to it too finish it. I'm just over 60 hours into it but have terrible a.d.d

>>378577681
>>378577375
you're both right, but XC2 is projected to be even better with based mitsuda taking over for shimomura

>>378577870
ACE+ saved this shit with mechanical rhythm

unfinished battle is also the most overrated song on XC

>>378576684
Xenoblade chronicles has a 30 hour tutorial mate.

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>>378575314
>Is this the best JRPG ever?
Xenogears, Phantasy Star IV, Skies of Arcadia, Suikoden 2, Arc the Lad 2, Trails in the Sky SC, and Dark Chronicle say hello.

>>378578164
game starts at guar plains a few hours after a not nearly as restricting start as P5, don't know what you're talking about

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>>378578189
>Want to play Skies of Arcadia
>$100+ on Amazon for GameCube version

>>378578046
I nearly spilled my drink the moment I saw ACE+ was back.

>>378576560
This.

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>>378578189
>tfw xenogears: rebirth never

>>378578315
>ACE+ and Kiyota back
>Lead composer Mitsuda
>Sawano and Shimomura nowhere to be seen
It's going to have the best OST of this generation.

>>378575314
I thought the story was shit, but I had fun playing the game.

>>378575314
Shit combat

Hotbar battle systems are shit and should only be used in MMOs to appease the autistics

>>378575314
The best since the golden age that ended ~15 years ago.

Seriously, anyone who says that Xenoblade is a good JRPG are delusional. It's up and away the worst Operation Rainfall game.

It's not the best ever, but it is one of the best of the last generation.

It's definitely the absolute best single player MMO though.

>>378578189
>Xenogears
>Good
Dropped 20 hours in,what a fucking slog and the horrible writing didn't help

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>>378578401
>Shimomura
>bad

>>378576686
Go fuck yourself.

>>378578401
Sawano is a complicated composer. I personally think the music suited the setting of X but it would be completly unfitting for 2.

>>378578657
>shimomura
>good

the best track on FFXV wasn't even done by her and the town/city themes are painfully bad

>>378576686
>>378578529
Fuck off Cody.

I picked it up 3 times and dropped it 3 times
I don't know what I'm expecting, and I'm autistic enough to go for that 100% FFX-2 shit
What am I doing wrong? I want to enjoy this and move on to XCX, but I just can't

>>378578529
Fuck off Cody

>>378578498
>autistics.
>autistics?
>autistics........

So you seem to be the opposite, retarded.

>>378578756
>the town/city themes are painfully bad
Those weren't done by her either, they were done by the DMC3 composer.

>>378578536
The only single player MMOs I've ever seen are this and FFXII, are there anymore than that?

>>378578795
Just play XCX if you're not enjoying the first one, they aren't related at all in terms of story.

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>when you jump down a hole in the ground while exploring and this starts to play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooZyHLLQ5e8&t=246s

>>378578795
>autistic enough for 100% in FFX-2

that's the problem, don't bother with the menial side quests in XC

side quests are completely grindy and take forever. The rewards for doing them are almost never worth the effort.
Also Melia is a complete waste of a character; both in combat and in story. Truly the queen of all cucks.

>>378578891
going into XC blind without any expectations other than hearing it was exploration based was a fucking roller-coaster ride, so much unforgettable stuff

worst combat of any game i've ever played. it's utter shit

>>378578926
>>378578869
Alright, I'll give it another shot on July 4th weekend

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Will it happen?

>>378578684
Some of the field themes in X are better than Chronicles like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbh3lLi1ZY

>>378578989
Side quests are easy as fuck in XC, what are you on about? You just grab them and do 90% of them passively through playing the game normally.

>>378578989
you fucking what?

melia is the strongest party member and the entire high entia subplot is on her

>>378579071
I'm hoping for a bayonetta 2 deal where an HD XC comes with XC2

>>378579062
don't force your way through it if you don't like it you don't like it. The game doesn't truly begin till bionis's leg anyway so if you haven't reached there let that be your goal

>>378578989
She's definitly the weakest written one

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>>378576560
It's not even the best persona

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>>378578989
>melia
>waste in combat

>>378579218
Hi I'm Sharla

>>378575314
I played it for about 8 hours and ended up dropping. I didn't actively hate it or dropped it on purpose, I just stopped playing and then realized a few months later I never came back to it.

It was pretty boring but I'm used to "it gets good after 100 hours!" games and play a lot of them, so I'm not sure what made me stop this one in specific.

>>378579193
>the entire high entia subplot is on her
Exactly, she's not a fleshed out character, but a plot devise.

>>378579312
Game doesn't get good until Colony 6.

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No.

>>378578301
Get it. It won' t become cheaper.

It' s fuckin worth it.

>>378579071
I prefer a XCX port desu, most of us already played XC, XCX is in the goddam Wii U. The goddam Wii U

>>378579461
This isn't even the best final fantasy.

>>378578756
I-I like Valse di Fantastica/Gratia Mundi or whatever it's called.
I also liked Colony 9 from XC.
But yeah, she's gotten way worse since her Legend of Mana days.

>>378578657
Can she do anything else than sad viloin tracks?

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>>378578189
>Skies of Arcadia
Probably the worst jrpg I've ever played. What a let down. Thought I'd love it cause of the theme and setting and shit but man the gameplay is trash and the encounter rate is even worse. Cool ideas but really dull to play.

I couldn't get more than 6 hours into Trails in the Sky before I couldn't take it anymore. It's so slow and plodding and feels insignificant in my actions. I didn't give a fuck about any of the npc conversations and I don't know how somebody could

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dy74NOzcS8

>>378579461
not even top 3 in FF

>>378579608
ya LoM ost is great, I miss when she had mitsuda's style like SMRPG

>>378579598
Except it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD4r8ufspg0

>>378579694
Except it is.

>>378579434
If you had read the post you'd realize I am aware this one of those games that don't get good until X, so I'm not entirely sure why you are telling me this.

>>378579434
This. The start is all just introduction, supposed to help you get a good grip of the game mechanics and gives you all false sense of "cliché JRPG"
and the you get hit by Xords plot-hammer.

>>378579695
It's not.

>>378579512
What's it play like?
Does it have a traditional PSX JRPG overworld and stuff?

It's definitely my favorite JRPG of all time, if not my favorite game of all time. I really hope Nintendo remasters the game on the Switch after Xenoblade 2.

>>378579787
6, 9, 12, 14 are all better

FF7 should have been xenogears

>>378579891
6 is trash tho

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It's one of THE worst games to do "big giant" boss battles

I've dropped this game like 5 months ago, got bored of it.

>>378579986
opinion discredited

>>378579610
SNES Shimomura is GOAT, ever since then though not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkailb3xcTI

>>378579754
I've never felt so overwhelmed by a change of gameplay,
after 30 hours of walking around, trying to find the right path with the nav ball
and then you are just in a giant Mech and the world opens up.
60 hours in you are able to fly and it's the same feel all over again.

>>378579827
It's the most iconic JRPG of all time, a contender for one of the greatest games ever, solely responsible for making JRPGs popular in the west and beginning the golden age, it's the most beloved in the franchise by a long shot, and /v/s favorite Final Fantasy, officially, and it has one of the best written stories in JRPG history.

But sure, be a contrarian hipster and pretend that your second rate Xenoshit can stand toe-to-toe with the most iconic and beloved game in the most popular JRPG franchise in the world.

Final Fantasy VII IS JRPGs.

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>>378580047
same to you I guess?

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>>378579297
Good enough excuse to post this

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>>378579608
Her Kingdom Hearts tracks are incredible what the fuck are you talking about

>>378579618
>Probably the worst jrpg I've ever played.
This. Can't understand why that game isn't considered a Sonic 06-tier atrocity, even though it has the makings of one.

>>378580241
>if it's iconic it's good

CoD is the most iconic FPS (inb4 doomfags) it doesn't mean shit

>/v/'s favorite final fantasy

more reason for it not being the best

>Xenoshit can stand toe-to-toe with the most iconic and beloved game in the most popular JRPG franchise in the world.

oh we know it's not as popular, it appeals to a higher IQ crowd which is more limited

>>378580241
Most iconic and well known doesn't equal best.

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>>378580438
>Sonic 06-tier atrocity
The only JRPG that is Sonic 06 tier is FFXV.

>>378580468
Most iconic FPS is Halo 3.

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>>378579891
>xiv devs went full retard mode
>Cancelled sub
>Still want to know how the story progresses

>>378580593
>most iconic fps is halo 3

not even the most iconic in its series, where do you idiots come up with this stuff?

>>378580241
>the most iconic
Said who? It's nothing more than a shitty oldfag bait. The same persons that tries to make it relevant now.
The most beloved in the franchise is FFX that sold 14 millions, aka 3 more million than FF7.

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>>378580241
it WAS jrpgs, you sound no better than those people who checked out after the SNES and spout shit like "jrpgs are dead" and think the genre never moved past chrono trigger or FF6. Times have changed and it's been surpassed too

>>378580468
>CoD is the most iconic FPS
No, that's Halo. And Halo 1-3 are great games.

> it appeals to a higher IQ crowd which is more limited
>xenoqueers believe this
Which one? XC with it's generic shouneshit plot, or XCX with Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains, god awful pacing, and shitty character motivations.

Meanwhile FFVII has a story dealing with the meaning of life loss, and coping with death, and characters with very complex personalities and motivations before that shit was even cool.

>>378580767
Surpassed by what? Xenoshit? XIII? In your dreams drone.

>>378579297
Neither is 3. Or 4.

>>378580843
Cute, the 7 baby thinks his story can compete with saga/gears

Also story isn't the only thing in a game. You know, there's gameplay which xenoblade completely shits on ff7

>>378580681
>not even the most iconic in its series
It is though, Combat Evolved and 2 put Halo on the map but the series exploded with 3 and it's seen by many as the best.

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>>378580241
>FF7 is one of the best games ever because it was babbys first jrpg for the sonybros

Fuck no. FF7 might have been a big deal on release (for animated cutscenes no less) but it is nowhere near the best JRPG just because it's strong nostalgiabait.

>>378580843
Xenogears has better story than FF7
>before that shit was even cool.
Fuck off, you don't evne about you're talking about.

>>378580749
>FFX is the most iconic
X's success came about as a result of VII's fame. Just compare the spinoffs. Which series was milked more?

Did X get a film, and anime, 4 spinoffs, and the MC featured in Smash? Didn't think so.

>>378581002
>there's gameplay which xenoblade completely shits on ff7
Xenoblade doesn't have a bike chase or a Gold Saucer.

>>378581021
Halo 1 is by far the most iconic in the series

>seen by many as the best

I can say the same about 1/2

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>>378580980
3 > 2 > 4 > 5 > 1

I have no disrespect for a 2fag (unless youre implying 1 is the best and you're fucking crazy) but both are better than 5 amigo

>>378581148
The fact that you mention irrelevant minigames over the core combat/exploration only proves me right

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Name 5 JRPG's with a better turnbased system

>>378581147
>X's success came about as a result of VII's fame. Just compare the spinoffs. Which series was milked more?

No again, you're a retard. Each FF is the result of the previous one. Before FFX, there was FF9.

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>>378580954
calling someone else a drone doesn't trick anybody lmao

>>378581112
Except it doesn't. Gearsfags hype up that story for more than it's worth. It's got a lot of complexity, but it's got no depth, all the characters are walking tropes. Hell, Gears does the whole "my evil dark/crazy half that lives inside me and makes me more powerful" bullshit. And the day is saved through "the power of love."

Xenogears is fucking garbage storytelling. Gearsfags just refuse to admit the more popular FFVII deserves its love cause they got a shafted budget because of it, and believe that's what's holding their shitty game back.

>>378581340
Nocturne
SaGa Frontier I and II
Final Fantasy X
Chrono Trigger

>>378578189
>Arc the Lad II

You're an ok guy Anon.

>>378581393
Again.


Did X get a film, and anime, 4 spinoffs, and the MC featured in Smash?

Didn't think so.

>>378581393
FF7 put FF on the map you retard, the ones before didn't evens sell close to half of 7

>>378581340
FFX
Nocturne
the fucking mario rpgs for gods sake

>>378576686
All I ever see you do is shit on this game. Don't you have better things to do?

>>378581448
Xenogears story is more intersting and more complex than FF7. You don't even know about what you're talking about.

>>378581340
FFII
Earthbound
Persona 1
Pokemon Red
Dragon Quest III

>>378581635
>>378581501
>Nocturne
>DUDE JUST DEBUFF THE ENEMY AND AUTO ATTACK

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>>378580843
>Meanwhile FFVII has a story dealing with the meaning of life loss, and coping with death, and characters with very complex personalities and motivations

cool game for "enlightened" 14 year olds dude, why don't you try playing a game with a good story? pic related

>Xenogears started out as an early concept conceived by Tetsuya Takahashi and Kaori Tanaka for the Square game Final Fantasy VII.[34] Their superior [sakaguchi] in the company deemed it "too dark and complicated for a fantasy", but Takahashi was allowed to develop it as a separate project.[34]

straight from the horse's mouth, xeno games are too complex and mature for FFtards

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>>378581672
The obsession with complexity is the fucking problem with his writing.

>>378581725
>Persona 1
>Dragon Quest
>FF2

This has to be bait, those games have the most stale as fuck combat systems in the genre

>>378581576
>what is FF4

7tards are truly idiotic

>>378581550
So? Still the games FFX sold more than FF7. Who cares about side content? We're talking about games here.

>>378581576
So? You think FF7 woudl have sold good if it was called "Final Fantasy" at the release? Before FF7 there was FF6, FF5; FF4, FF3, FF2, FF1 that build the brand.

>>378581850
A game doesn't have to be good to beat dogshit combat.

>>378581746
I too like to talk about games I've never played.

>>378581816
Takahashi's not obsessed with complexity, the complexity is a byproduct of good worldbuilding/lore along with foreshadowing symbolism

>>378581890
if it wasn't called

>>378579461
You shouldn't even bother posting this anymore, it's not the late 90s to mid 2000s anymore. It's now obligatory to be contrarian about this game. Especially around this snowflakehole.

>>378579512
This. Same with Panzer Dragoon Saga and Lucienne's Quest.

>>378581973
>1997+20 years
>still thinks that FF7 is the best JRPG
PFFFFT

>>378581340
Mana Khemia
Wild Arms
Ar Tonelico
Valkyrie Profile
Pong

>>378581885
FF4 didn't even come close in sales.

>>378581890
>So? You think FF7 woudl have sold good if it was called "Final Fantasy" at the release? Before FF7 there was FF6, FF5; FF4, FF3, FF2, FF1 that build the brand.

And FF7 EXPLODED it, go by each previous game sales and then look at FF7. It was the game to popularize the entire series

>>378582121
FF8 fucking exploded it. It did so much better than 7.

>>378580241
You described Chrono Trigger.

>>378578657
Hate to be "that guy" but she hasn't been good in like 15 years. The FFXV soundtrack in particular was bafflingly bland.

>>378581973
being realistic isn't contrarian, you can argue 7 has the best story but the gameplay has been trumped multiple times in both combat and exploration. The ost is also not up to par with the likes of 8 (even if 8 was shit had a good soundtrack) or 9. The 3D models also aged like dick

>>378581672
Xenogear's isn't great at all. It's entry level SciFi trying way too hard to be deep with loooong fucking narrative segments that don't know when to end. Show don't tell is the number 1 rule of writing, and it totally fails at that, as you're TOLD everything you need to know about the story. How you can call that "good writing" is beyond me. By contrast, FFVII does a great job of showing you various elements of the story, and foreshadowing many plot twists VISUALLY. Without ever needing to needlessly explain shit to you.


Number 2.

The impact of a game plays a huge role when you're seeking to call something "the greatest."

This is why OoT is considered the greatest Zelda over the superior Majora's Mask. Because OoT had much bigger impact.

It's the same with FFVII. Though there are superior JRPGs to FFVII such as Chrono Trigger for example, no JRPG ever has had the same degree if impact as FFVII. EVER. Because of that, FFVII is the greatest JRPG ever made, without a doubt, and no amount of crying over it from salty Xenofags will ever change that fact. Especially garbage games like XC, XCX, and Xenosaga. Go fuck yourself.

Xenoshit is literally bottom of the barrel JRPGs. Persona, SMT, Tales of, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy, Illusion of Gaia, TWEWY, Radiant Historia, and Dragon Quest all shit all over it.

>>378582216
>FF8 fucking exploded it

8 sold less then 7 though

>>378578756
Hellfire is a meme tier song, just like "You Will Know Our Names".

>>378581239
Other than 3 and 2 being flipped around into the wrong spots you're alright Anon.

>>378582519
nah Hellfire is legitimately good. YWKON is pretty overrated though despite it being good

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>>378575314
I just saw it's $20 on the wii u eshop. I've never played any of the xenoblade games, is it worth dusting off the wii u to play it?

>>378582514
Because FF7 fags kept shitposting about 8.

>>378576978
I'm pretty sure he meant newer game gramps.
Those game you mentioned are elder gods tier no one played them

>>378581791
Why don't you read real SciFi like Childhood's End and 2001 a Space Odyssey instead of that uninspired pretentious garbage trying to sound deep and thought provoking. I can read Jung and throw psychology terms at you to sound smart too.

Sorry, but EVA that is not. In writing, execution is everything, and Xenogears has terrible execution. Most overated story in a videogame, ever. Period.

>>378582736
>t. Cuck

>>378581959
>good world building
Kek.


>So let me tell you about this old ass machine that crashlanded on the planet millions of years ago

>>378582462
>Xenogear's isn't great at all. It's entry level SciFi trying way too hard to be deep with loooong fucking narrative segments that don't know when to end. Show don't tell is the number 1 rule of writing, and it totally fails at that, as you're TOLD everything you need to know about the story. How you can call that "good writing" is beyond me. By contrast, FFVII does a great job of showing you various elements of the story, and foreshadowing many plot twists VISUALLY. Without ever needing to needlessly explain shit to you.

you flipped this shit around, xenogears is the one with insane foreshadowing. Anything unclear in FF7 is due to poor translation, it isn't some kind of deep meaning or good writing

>OoT is considered the greatest zelda

only by morons, just like FF7

>impact
no one gives a shit about impact or historical importance, there exist better jRPGs than FF7, including in its own series so they are better games. Nothing more to it

>Persona, tales of, secret of mana better than xeno

alright your position has been disqualified, don't bother replying I won't respond

>>378581393
Confirmed underage. IX wasn't talked about anywhere remotely close to IV, VI, VII, or X back in the day. It was largely ignored. Even VIII got more attention. The only main FF games from 1-10 that got less attention in FF discussions were 1-3 and 5. IXfags have become obnoxious, needy attention whores in the last 5 years.

>>378582736
>argument about FF7 vs. Xenogears
>brings in literature/films

so you just lost the argument then? FF7 is baby's first jRPG and xeno is too much for FFtards to handle so they make posts like yours

>>378582934
Everything you say is full of faggot, but your statement on the impact of games is on point.

>>378582860
I'm not sure what you're trying to point to with this, no one explains eldritch and it's all shown

>>378582592
No.

It's a single player MMO with a predictable as fuck shounenshit-tier storyline, and bland as fuck waifus all lusting for the bland as fuck, cardboard cutout MC, who in the end becomes a god cause of his shiny magical sword making him "the chosen one."

>back in the day
Someone tell this oldfags that's it's 2017 and his trash game no longer considered good.

>>378583032
At least FFVII has an original character-driven storyline with cohesive themes.

I'm going to throw an outlandish idea out there. Maybe Xenogears and FF7 are both outdated trash??

>>378583248
so does xenogears, xenogears just does it better

>>378583328
More pretentiously

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>>378583271
sure gameplay wise, stories aren't outdated

>>378583328
Except it doesn't, as every character is a bland aa fuck shounen trope.

>muh reincarnations and Enneagram
Fuck off.

>>378581501
>CT
>ATB combat with combo attacks you can beat the game without ever ever using

Friend I love me some CT, but why do people keep claiming its combat was anything special? It's one tacked-on gameplay mechanic away from being as barebones as possible.

>>378583391
ah yes, the old "I don't understand it so it's pretentious"

>Xenogears started out as an early concept conceived by Tetsuya Takahashi and Kaori Tanaka for the Square game Final Fantasy VII.[34] Their superior [sakaguchi] in the company deemed it "too dark and complicated for a fantasy", but Takahashi was allowed to develop it as a separate project.[34]

just a reminder

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General rule of thumb is that ATB is trash

>>378583248
And Xenogears is an epic tale that surpasses all Final Fantasy, spanning centuries, planets, and planes of existence. The compelling nature of both the villains, the protagonists, and the universe itself lend an amazing tale unbeknownst anywhere else on the planet. Even the Bible isn't this layered with meaning and intrigue. Complexity, and scope; great characters, villains, and character development; fitting and emotional music, everything is there.

>>378583484
>bland as fuck shounene trope

are we talking about FF7 here? I agree. The only character to even slightly deviate is Red, and xenogears has emeralda, Citan, Fei/Elly. This isn't even counting the villains who are more developed than any character in final fantasy can hope to be

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>>378583495
I just said it was better than Grandia's.

>>378583574
t. Cuck

>>378583163
He doesn't become a god. Confirmed for not having played the game.

>>378583574
You're right. That's why FFXV is an action game.

>>378583163
the game goes out of its way to say shulk isn't the chosen one and he never becomes a god, in fact rejects godlike powers

nice job exposing yourself

>>378583163
>MMO
It's not an MMO. It's a single player game. Only Xenoblade X has online features.

>>378575314
Xenogears

>>378578301
nigga, emulate that shit.

Suikoden II and Vagrant Story were both better games and both hold up better than FFVII and Xenogears, just from PS1 games alone. So for the purposes of this thread, that already renders VII and Gears irrelevant.

>>378583574
Play FFIV DS. It just needs harder games that force you to use buffs and debuffs to win.

>>378584017
>vagrant story holding up better than anything

>>378584006
I'm a physical fag but it looks like emulation is my only choice.
Is it really top 5 JRPG material?

>>378583510
But the reasons it was dropped are the reasons it's shit. It's too convoluted for its own good. Story is all over the place and has a severe lack of focus. Taking away from the much needed character development. And it's edgy for the sake of being edgy. It toys with themes like death and genocyde to try and garner shock value, but fails to capitalize on them.

Meanwhile, Aeris' death had so much emotional impact, it's still rembered to this day. FFVII knew how to use its scenes to maximize the thematic value effectively. It had a strong focus on the sorts of messages it wanted to get across, and the entire game's story is focused solely on getting that across.

Xenogears on the other hand is all over the fucking place, biting off more than it can chew, and trying to he more "epic" than what can be told in a single story. It winds up being a convoluted fucking mess. Square was right to drop that story.

Only fedora-tipping contrarian like to pretend that second rate scifi is better than the story in FFVII.

Name 1 memorable moment from Xenogears that has left a two decade long impact on people, I dare you.

>>378584221
>Name 1 memorable moment from Xenogears that has left a two decade long impact on people, I dare you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEmTH7-nQUM
The scene where this plays, Xenogears also has a better OST than VII.

>>378577763
implying that's a bad thing, I wish there were more glorified VNs like P5, it's the best thing since stein's gate.

>>378583621
One word:
Sephiroth

>>378584221
>Name 1 memorable moment from Xenogears that has left a two decade long impact on people, I dare you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25LoJ3E99NU

spoilers for anyone not having played xenogears

you can't find a better scene in all of FF, unless there is something in 13-2 or 3 since I havn't played them but lol. The amount of emotion and revelations in this scene is only something the writers of FF can dream of achieving.

>>378584408
that fuckboy isn't half as good as krelian or Cain

>>378583593
>muh story is more complex therefore it's better

It's convoluted as fuck. Clearly written by an amateur who knows fuck all about proper Storytelling.

Xenogears is literally
>I have never written a story before so I'm gonna cram all the shit I think is cool into one giant epic tale
and it shows

>>378584117
I ordered 4 for the SNES and its coming now. I thought 6 was super mediocre so I hope 4 is better

>>378583817
>in fact rejects godlike powers
Nice job

>>378584535
> A life of a man named Lacan... And the lives of countless other men...All but dreams...Now that I am awake, those countless numbers of long, heartrending dreams are almost impossible to remember at all...In those dreams, I loved one woman... no matter the day, no matter the era... That did not change...

>Nor did her name...

>A life of a woman named Sophia... And the lives of countless other women...All but dreams...Now that I am awake, those countless numbers of long, heartrending dreams are almost impossible to remember at all...In those dreams, I loved one man... No matter the day, no matter the era... That did not change...

>Only his name...

I don't know how other jRPGs can compete

>>378584809
was the right call all things considered

>>378584408
Not even the best villain in his own franchise, which is sad because FF primarily has nothing villains like Kefka "I am cuhrazy and poisoned a water supply and then stole the real villain's plan at the 11th hour" McBadguy. Fucking Caius is a better developed character than Sephiroth with his misguided ecoterrorism and mommy issues. Only nostalgia says otherwise.

>>378584605
So you haven't any argument? Xenogears story was written by Tetsuya Takahashi and his wife Soraya.

>>378584197
Best jrpg on Dreamcast and Gamecube

>>378585019
We can just fullstop at "FF has never had a good antagonist"

>>378583942
Are the Xenosaga games good? Haven't gotten around to those yet

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>>378585019
>Fucking Caius is a better developed character than Sephiroth
Caius is the best antagonist in the whole series.

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>>378584197
Not event top 50

>>378585164
Nigga theres like 5 jprgs on the gamecube and it might be the worst

>>378584535
>words words words
>dude sitting in a chair and more words words words
>literally a shameless exposition dump
You wouldn't know good writing if it hit you in the face.

https://youtu.be/8XjHuNJOy_4

1 minute, ZERO dialogue. And it accomplishes so much more with so little than your 8 minute infodump, that it went on to become one of the most iconic scenes in all of gaming.

While Xenogears went on being pretentious by trying to sound smarter than it actually is, dumping basic philosophy on you, FFVII understood what makes a good story, and went for EMOTIONAL IMPACT. And for that, it's still remembered to this day. Xenogears on the other hand has been forgotten by most people.

>>378585217
1st one is mediocre but the next two are trainwrecks

It's a cliche-riddled, grindy fetch quest with decent characters and graphics.I don't like it.

>>378584875
>> A life of a man named Lacan... And the lives of countless other men...All but dreams...Now that I am awake, those countless numbers of long, heartrending dreams are almost impossible to remember at all...In those dreams, I loved one woman... no matter the day, no matter the era... That did not change...
>>Nor did her name...
>>A life of a woman named Sophia... And the lives of countless other women...All but dreams...Now that I am awake, those countless numbers of long, heartrending dreams are almost impossible to remember at all...In those dreams, I loved one man... No matter the day, no matter the era... That did not change...
>>Only his name...
Fucking terrible writing. How can anyone call this good?

Post this shit in /lit/ don't tell them where it's from, and see you get laughed at.

>>378585278
>Xenogears on the other hand has been forgotten by most people
Said who

>>378585421
Yeah post the whole Xenogears fantranslated script and the FF7 one /lit/. I'm gonna have a good laugh on FF7babies.

>>378585146
Yeah, and they both suck at writing.

Want me to post the Xenogears prose and send it to my friend who's a published writer. I'll make a thread tomorrow with his reply. I'm sure he'll agree it's trash writing trying way too hard to sound smarter than it is.

Good writing doesn't dabble. Xenogears does nothing BUT dabble.

>if I add more words to this, maybe I can I can hide how bad my writing really is.

I mean, read this shit >>378584875
Who the fuck talks like this?

>>378585676
>Want me to post the Xenogears prose and send it to my friend who's a published writer. I'll make a thread tomorrow with his reply. I'm sure he'll agree it's trash writing trying way too hard to sound smarter than it is.
Japanase script i hope?

>>378585865
I'll send him the scene you posted. He can't read moonspeak.

>FF7 being this assblasted than their shitty game is worst than Xenogears.
Kek

When was a story that is just anime spikey hair guy saving the world from a good looking baddi considered to be any good?

>>378586157
Xenogears Remake never ever. Stay salty faggot.

Xenoshit will always be second rate.

Great thread guys.

>>378585421
Again bringing literature into it because ff7 can't compete, sad

>>378578847
The .Hack// quadrilogy and //G.U. trilogy.

>>378586728
Better no remake than one that completly trashes the game like ff7r

>>378587324
The original will forever remain a classic, and a contender for one of the greatest games ever made.

>>378586728
I can't wait to the shitstorm when it will release. It's already been shitposted for the action battle system the stealth etc

>>378587479
Classic but not one of the best, not even close

>>378587528
Chance that it will be an ever bigger shitstorm than the early access game that is FFXV.

>>378587479
same for Xenogears huh.

>>378587717
>Xenogears? Oh, isn't that the game where Shulk is from? "Now I'm really FEELING IT!" Lol. I like playing as him in Smash. All the memes are funny too.

>>378575314
Haven't played this but I'm currently playing through Xenoblade Chronicles X and am actually enjoying the shit out of it. Thought it'd fucking hate the stupid ass MMO combat, but it's actually kind of fun. Plus exploration and world design if fucking cool. Story is shit so far though. How's this this one compared to X?

>>378587989
Everyone knows that Xenogears =/= Xenosaga =/= Xenoblade.

>>378588080
No
See >>378583163

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>>378587567
Oops.

>>378575314
Currently playing it now and it's hard to say
there's a lot to like in this game, the characters are fun, neat story, decent gameplay but I can play this game for extended periods of time. I'm about 40 hours in and I enjoy it but I take a lot of breaks which feels weird to me considering I don't take breaks playing jrpgs

>>378588080
Xenoblade Chronicles is pretty good storywise without being outstanding. Xenoblade X has better gameplay.

>>378588351
Wow Google nice, alongside with the shitstain portal

>>378575314
No, it's not the best JRPG ever. However, it's damn good. It made me believe games could still be good and I wasn't just getting too old to enjoy them anymore.

Was pleasantly surprised considering I didn't like the character design. This gives me hope for the new Xenoblade. Not, I didn't find XBCX to be anything above a 7/10.

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>>378588093
>Everyone knows
No, I'm sorry, but no one can name a single character from Xenoshit. Meanwhile everyone knows who Cloud and Sephiroth are. And everyone's first hentai fap is Tifa.

Like, even if you've NEVER even played FFVII, or any FF or SE game for that matter. You have fapped/shlicked to Tifa.

I honestly really loved this game.

The setting is great, the music is great, the atmosphere is great, the gameplay feels like an even more dumbed down FFXII.

I just loved it.

>>378588773
To be fair I didn't fap to Tifa until I played VII for the first time a few years ago but I had heard of her.

>>378588773
This is getting ridiculous, i'm out.

>>378575314
switch port pls
p.s. xbcx too

>>378589167
>Triggered Tumblr tranny has had enough.

And good riddance too.

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>>378585421
>get btfo
>can't provide something from Ff7 that's better
>but books!

>>378588773
So, because people like Final Fantasy VII, they are illiterate and can't read the difference between Xenogears (aka Zenogias...thanks FFVII!), Xenosaga, and Xenoblade. Sounds about right to me. Being a fan of Final Fantasy VII = 'Instant Retardation'.

>>378589979
Show your average gamer a picture of Fei, and ask them who it is. Chances are likely they'll have no idea who it is. Do the same for Cloud, and people will instantly recognize him.

Mention Xenogears, and people will associate it with Shulk, if that. Do the same with FFVII, and people will instantly know what you're talking abour.

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>>378582101
>Mana Khemia
Never thought I'd see someone else who played that.

>>378590772
There is a video of this of cloud in smash asking the public no one knows him, I'll try and find it

>>378575314
Probably.

>that ending

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>>378592287
Forgot webm

Am like 15 hours and I started last year.

I like the game, but the combat is such a clusterfuck that I am not sure how to take advantage of. So I usually just brute force any boss by over leveling and using all my moves at random.

>>378593206
Topple nigga

>>378575314
if jrpgs are supposed to be fucking boring sure

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>>378576560

>>378579574
But XCX was shit tho

>>378593206
>I usually just brute force any boss by over leveling and using all my moves at random.
Yeah, that's not how you play Xenoblade

Xenoblade is the best JRPG of the last decade. /v/ will never admit it because its a contrarian shithole that can't decide if they love it for being so unknown Anons had to make a petition just to get the UK port, or hate it because it reviews so well.

Post your favorite Xenoblade OST

Bonus if not featured in Sm4sh
Double bonus if it should've been
Don't post final boss ost because spoilers in title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKz48dSRuzc

>>378575314
Currently going through NG+ on this game, it's funny to watch tough bosses from my first playthrough get rekt in 1-2 hits

Is there any game with a more ridiculous NG+?

>>378578189
good taste, mah nigga!

>>378596993
I think its more just so you can go through the story again very quickly to pick up on the things you miss from your first playthrough, like the mag mell ruins being the facility Zanza used to destroy the old universe and create the new one

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>>378575314
Nah, I got you covered though.

Happy to see jrpg threads are becoming more common. My only real opportunity to discuss BoFIV.

>>378596721
Xenoblade had god-tier exploration music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YyJ9FQnMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4raDcZGfPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPFKUtUq70I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnovGK6EfcQ

>>378597185
Isn't that just high entia shit?

>>378597706
no, watch the cutscene after you kill zanza when alvis is explaining how zanza became a god, then go look at the mag mell ruins again.

>>378597353
>tfw I'm replaying it after 15 years
Searching for the fairies;game is still incredible

>>378576560
Nice game but you haven't played much if that's the best jrpg to you.

>>378582462
>secret of mana shits on xenogears

and this is what true shit taste looks like boys and girls

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>>378582934
SMT and Tales of are both better series than FF though

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>>378598704
I only played it last month and it's become of my favorite games ever made.

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>>378599147
I agree

>>378599147
Tales of is better then nep and atlier, that's it. Tales is fucking garbage.

>>378599683
>tfw i like all 4 of these

>>378599872
same except recent FF is shit MMO aside

>>378577870
>not Mechanical Rhythm
What a fucking pleb
https://youtu.be/oGw5kwHl_LU

>>378601528
reading comprehension

>>378601617
Welp fuck I'm retarded.

>>378575314
>i have yet to hear anyone say they didn't like it.

The story was good BUT

>Enemies can hit you with melee attacks from across the map
>If your agility is even slightly too low, you CANNOT hit the enemy, which makes it absolutely, 100% necessary to GRIND like a bitch in multiple places in the game

I didn't like it

>>378575314
It's good but it's not close to the best. Very offline mmo-ish, but it does have an interesting world and reasonably fun combat.

>>378575314
i got bored of it. stopped playing at that forest. i will go back and beat it someday. i like x better

>>378602805
why not just put on agility gems?

you can beat the super boss of the game at level 50s

>>378577870
>one of the worst
you have asinine taste.

Worst Xenoblade OST tracks???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjjZWcp_Lew

>>378603329
That and time to fight take the cake

>>378575314
pretty much, yea. i wouldn't even be mad if it was never topped

>>378575314
And Better than the sequel.
In X its like they made a map for exploration first and everything was 2nd, besides the story and characters and quest variety which was priority number 100 out of 100.
>aren't we supposed to be dead
>i dunno the planet did it
>see you in the sequel if its ever made

>>378603436
Time to fight wasn't bad, just extremely mediocre. It just we're comparing it to the rest of the OST and that makes it seem a lot worse than it actually is.

>>378603329
but that is good. tf

>>378603630
>In X its like they made a map for exploration first and everything was 2nd

that's literally what they did and stated a year before release

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>>378581239
5>4>3>2>1

>b-b-b-but muh plot!

If that's the case it's way better if you just watch the P3 movie and then watch The Answer on Youtube.
Social Links are pretty bad compared to P4 and 5 and gameplay is fucking trash
Music is great but we're talking about MegaTen series so music is always fine anyway

P5 have literally best gameplay in the series, probably even better than most MegaTen games and I'm more a SMTfag than Persona

I always says /v/ being a contrarian is a good thing because we can actually see the problems in an overrated game but in Persona case is just amazing how wrong they are

>>378603820
Honestly one of the most annoying tracks in the entire game. I got stuck trying to beat Xord my 1st playthrough and that track alone almost made me drop the game entirely because I hated it so much.

>>378588080
Better story and characters, worse gameplay. I actually feel sorry for people who play XCX before XC because while the story is great in XC the game is still 80% combat, all of which is just an objectively shittier watered down version of XCX's combat.

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>>378604130
2>5>3>4>1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJuiTw6nk7A

>That shit nu-anime artstyle
>That retarded looking main character
>That sequel to a game that didn't need one
>That generic nu-anime writing

How much ass is this game going to suck?

>>378604663
2: IS > 5 > 3 > 4 > 2: EP > 1
2 without talkie Maya ruins everything and story of the 2nd part isn't even that great.

>>378604663
I agree if this is about story but I'm talking about the game in general (gameplay, story, music, artstyle,etc)

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>>378604739
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>378575314
>Is this the best JRPG ever
Not even the best JRPG of its generation, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are miles better

>>378604130
X made it pretty clear that xenoblade from now on would be exploration first, story second.
Best just accept it.

>>378575314
>game runs at 480p
>still one of the most beautiful games ever

Why did you fall for the 4K meme again?

>>378605146
>lost odyssey

ah yes, the premier contrarian choice for jRPG. Surprised you didn't say the piece of shit Nier either

>>378605361
Sorry if truth hurts

>>378605146
All of Lost Oddyssey is reading the texts about Kaim's backstory, rest is really meh.

Yes.

>>378605531
try not to take it too harshly, it's common for people under the age of 15 to think the less popular thing is more cool

>>378605146
Lost Odyssey sucks dick
It's on XBO backwards compatibility and was free a little while back, but no one ever plays it because it's shit
Combat is slow
Story is disjointed and relies on reading short stories to understand anything
Character designs worse than XBX

But I had some fun with it Sakaguchi direct FF16 please

>>378604739
Less than X
>>378605181
Xenoblade had both, Xenoblade actually made me want to explore because the world was cool rather than because I needed to set up my fucking farmville bullshit

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>>378605715
>have no counter-arguments other than 'lol you're underage for not liking what i like'
You could've not replied and saved yourself the embarrasement

>>378588773
Only characters I could tell you about is cloud tifa and sephiroth because they've been whored out in numerous games and mediums. I couldn't tell you anything about the rest of the VII cast.

>>378605848
counter argument to what? You gave no reason as to shy LO is better than XC (because there isn't and you're contrarian)

>>378575314

It definitely is. I can't wait for the inevitable HD port to the Switch

>>378576560

Have a spare (You)

>>378605926
So desperate to validate himself he doesnt know how to type anymore and keep spouting 'muh contrarian' as if that mean anything, truly a sad sight

>>378575314
Not even close. I couldn't get all the way through it, got really dull. It's pretty non offensive though.

BUt, if you think this is one of the best RPGs ever, you have shit taste. Seriously, have not played that many RPGs or what?

Fuck, I liked the sequel more, even if it just sort of ended...

>>378606143
Enlighten us with your patrician taste, then, anon.

>>378578189
>Phantasy Star IV
I love you anon, everyone forgets about PS.

>>378606083
not an argument, nice job proving how shit LO is

>>378607281
>only retort he can came up with is 'i-its shit'
I know Xenofags are the laughing stock of JRPG fanbases but please have some self-respect

>>378607469
reminder #3: you still haven't given a reason why LO is better than XC

>>378607514
And you havent gave me a reason of why XC is better than LO, but then again its not like theres something positive about it

>>378607705
reminder #4: you still haven't given a reason why LO is better than XC

at this point I doubt you played either honestly

>And you havent gave me a reason of why XC is better than LO

you're the accuser, it's on you

Lost Odyssey is really good too, but suffers from huge problems like pacing, gameplay and writing.

>>378604130
>Tries to refute actual arguments by falseflagging as something he isn't
Lol sure kiddo, you have pretty shit taste and or are extremely casual.

>>378575314
is that the game with the bitch with the glasses

>>378607780
>lost odyssey is really good

>suffers from huge problems like gameplay and writing

then how the fuck is it really good?

>>378575314
One of the more overhyped games on /v/, basically a mediocre single player MMO

>>378607758
>you're the accuser, it's on you
>>378605361

>>378607889
I dont know why people consider XC good when it has the same problems

>>378607960

>>378605146
reminder #5: you still haven't given a reason why LO is better than XC

at this point I doubt you played either honestly

>>378607923
>basically a mediocre single player MMO
We're talking about Xenoblade not Final Fantasy XII.

>>378607960
the gameplay and writing in XC far exceed lost odyssey if not for foreshadowing usage as well as exploration alone among other things

>>378575314
>singleplayer MMO
Why would anyone sink so much time into this shit?

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>>378608046
>If i keep repeating myself ill be on the right

>>378608097
You're right XC combat is not mediocre is just plain bad single player MMO

>>378608216
because the "single player MMO" combat is better than 99% of combat in jRPGs, especially when the genre is ridden with turn based battle systems. The exploration is also top notch

>>378608242
reminder #6: you still haven't given a reason why LO is better than XC

at this point I doubt you played either honestly

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>Turn based
>Bad

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>>378608324
>because the "single player MMO" combat is better than 99% of combat in jRPGs
Why is the Xenoblade fanbase so far up their ass?

>>378608430
>nocturn
>spam buffs/debuffs then endlessly mash X: the game

at least post bravely default Christ. At least the dungeon design is good unlike the god awful ones from its sequel

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I'm losing brain cells as reading this thread.

>>378575314
Its not even the best jrpg on the wii

>>378608542
Im glad to know you never played the game but then again i dont expect Xenoblade fans to play good games to begin with

>>378608497
everytime I say this all I get are generic insults, no one has been able to refute it in over 5 years. The only "modern" jRPG I can think of to have better combat than xenoblade is TWEWY unless you count action hybrids like souls or KH2FM

>>378608542
>spam buffs/debuffs then endlessly mash X: the game
Somebody had trouble with matador, was told by /v/ how to beat him, and just never played again.

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>>378608497
It's true, though. Xenoblade Chronicles and X have the best combat system of any RPG game I've played to date. It makes fights more engaging than mashing A to get through it quickly.

Turnbased was fine in the 80's and 90's, but it should be left behind for superior systems.

>>378608632
>everytime I say this all I get are generic insults
Because its a waste to talk with someone who such terrible opinions

>>378608631
Who the fuck hasn't played nocturne? It's been on emulators for years

>>378608641
that's literally EXACTLY how you kill Matador, buff/debuff (mainly sukukaja) then go to town mashing X on whatever damaging ability of your choice. You should have at least said I couldn't beat amala/beelzebub or some shit

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>>378608757
Because you don't have any valid arguments*.