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>Vampires are actually really far down the power scale compared

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>Vampires are actually really far down the power scale compared to the other factions
>Basically any other faction can stomp all over vampires without the Antediluvians or Cain getting involved
>Even those guys would get stomped by the top-tier characters of the other factions
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>why am i not overpowered and invincible like skyrim?
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Pretty much yeah
That's basically why the masquerade is a thing, other factions will generally not care to wipe you out as long as you aren't making an ass of yourself
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Vampires are low tier but they control human society so the higher tier things try to avoid pissing them off.
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>>378506394
>but they control human society
No, not really. They have some pull. There are much bigger players.
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>>378506394

>What is the Technocracy?
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>>378506147
are they
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>>378506394
>but they control human society
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Camarilla elders live in constant fear that a Technocrat death squad will finally come around and put them down when they find some spare time away from preventing the destruction of reality.

The Masquerade is their way of making themselves useful and/or not worth actively destroying.

Even the Sabbat do their best to not piss off the Technocrats.
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>>378506147
>>Vampires are actually really far down the power scale compared to the other factions

Yeah, in direct power contest. You forget vampires are social predators first and foremost and will generally fuck you up indirectly if you get on their bad city in a vampire-run city.
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>>378507310
>Yeah, in direct power contest.
this will never really cum into play in a video game because you can't play outside of the box, though.
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WHO. IS. THAT. GIRL?
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>>378506147
Anon, you should not expect God's idea of a practical joke to be very powerful.
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>>378508083
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, DAUGHTER OF JANUS.
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man if you care about who is duh stronkest in tabletop games you'll never have much fun to be honest familia, play what appeals to you the most even if it's an lame legged thin-blood.
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>>378506662
there was a line in one of the books about why mages shouldn't just destroy all the vampires and the answer was that the vampires would fuck over all their bank accounts and attempt to sabotage everything they do behind the scenes.
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>>378506147
Then i guess it's a good thing old WoD got retconned, eh?
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>>378508473
Mages don't just wipe out all the vampires because that would cause a massive amount of paradox and they might accidentally wake up an Antediluvian or piss off Caine
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>>378506147
vampires are kind of done too much
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>>378506502
Sort of/kind of. Vampires can invoke magic without violating Paradox and are deeply enmeshed in the world's non-supernatural power structure. Magi are still constrained by plausibility, and a particularly well-prepared/subtle Elder can mercilessly fuck over any given mage. That's not even getting into the Antediluvians, which can shrug off fucking solar cannons. The sad part is, if the vampires gave up on Jyhad and engaged in full-scale collaboration, the magi likely wouldn't stand a chance without sending the world into the equivalent of nuclear war.
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>>378506147
The point of VtM and most oWoD games before it all got shit up was horror. So there was always something more powerful you had to be afraid of, but if you were clever enough you could kind of juke it in your favor for a while. Constant struggle for survival makes for better stories than DnD congratulations you're a god now.
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