>Kil'jaeden the Redeemed Just when I thought Blizzard

>>378494579
I havent played wow since WotLK, want to give me a quick rundown?

>>378494579
>Redeemed
wrong

>>378494659
>dragon attacked azeroth
>Thrall single handedly defeats it and saves the world
>meanwhile pandas who gives a fuck
>orc hitler goes back in time but Thrall chases after him and kills him, single handedly saving the known universe once again
>now Legion is invading but Thrall lost his powers so we're fucked
the end

>>378494697

He is fed-up with Sargeras's bullshit, Velen and Anduin will show him the error of his ways after the big fight and he will help when its time to retake Argus.

>>378495001
Literally the greatest explanation with pretty good accuracy

>>378494579
His portrayal in that cinematic was great. It showed him realizing he may have not made the best choice long ago, yet also being aware there's no going back.
He won't get redeemed, you're getting upset over nothing.

>>378495663
He's fed up with Sargeras' BS because instead of blowing up the fucking planets the Dark Titan's gone all 'Muh Waifu Planet' for Azeroth, because apparently Fel-infused Titans have a thing for Pedophilia.
>>378495001
Pandaria was actually cool though. It gave us the Mantid, and DA THUNDA KENG. I mean the Pandaren themselves were weak but the rest was good.

>>378495916
Mogu are okay in my book but it sucks Blizzard just reused the Draenei model for them instead of making a unique model like they were originally going to.

>>378494579
>giving a shit when we killed Archimonde by poking him with sticks
>the same demon that destroyed Dalaran entirely by building a sand castle and waving his hand through it
I get that the story of Warcraft has always been stupid, but I still can't handle that after all these years, we manage to defeat Archimonde, who had fully crossed over, by hitting him over the head with nothing special going for us.

And incase anyone wants to bring up KJ, Blizzard went out of their way to repeatedly point out that he was struggling to pull himself through the portal the entire time and we merely pushed him back.

>>378495882
I'm glad I don't play it anymore. I thought green jesus was bad but Khadgar is way worse. He's never not had a perfect answer to any foe or any situation. He could probably just walk into any raid and beat the big bad in seconds they've made him so OP with plot armor.

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>>378495001

Bravo blizzard

>>378496236
Khadgar is the current "fan favorite" character.
He will be untouchable for the next for expansions until the playerbase gets sick of him and the cycle repeats itself like with Thrall and Vol'jin.

>>378496164
Wait really, you just flat out kill him in WoD? The fuck? The being that needed thousands of wisps and an alliance between all the major races in order to stop? I thought the way he was killed in W3 was already pretty stupid, but that's on a whole other level.

>>378496423
That's not even the stupid part.
The real stupid part is immediately afterwards the AU Draenei immediately forgive and team up with the Orcs who were just trying to genocide their entire race a little bit ago.
As usual Orcs dindu nuffin.

>>378496423
Is he even dead or "merely banished"?

>>378496763
straight up dead, you finish him off inside of the twisting nether

I want another pandaria.

two expansions in a row it feels like we're just revisiting old shit and recycling characters. I want to see a strange new land with new races again

>>378496805
A South Seas expansion is almost guaranteed at this point.
I hope you like Pirates, Goblins, and Trolls.

>>378496805
How many fucking islands you want?

>>378496876
We've already had goblins, pirates, and trolls.

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>>378496795
Doesn't make any fucking sense
Such shitty writing

>>378496805
>two expansions in a row it feels like we're just revisiting old shit and recycling characters.
This feeling is never going to go away because there's nothing new left for them to do. They never have any original ideas and all the old lore from the RTS series has been used already. Get ready to go fight the Lich King again.

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>>378495001

>>378496763
>>378496795
either way, we killed him. Even if Blizzard doesn't treat the mythic as canon, that only means that we killed him and he gets sent back to the nether to be reborn.

The best you can say is that, if getting pulled into nether isn't canon, he was slightly less powerful than he could have been

>>378496931
Well we're getting more, with some old god nu-Lovecraft shit to spice things up.

>>378497050

No hes dead as in dead dead. Once killed in the nether thats it.

>>378496928
Why does it have to be an island? Why can't it be a giant Souls/DMC3-esque tower that sprouts up from from the useless as shit exodar?

It's a fantasy setting, there's room for imagination

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reminder at least 1 million blizzdrones still exist shilling 15/mo to collect rare mounts after 500 retries on a boss

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Loving this reddit meme game

>>378497050

Besides raid ive done everything in legion. This is a strange feel.

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>>378497265
>there's room for imagination
Not in WoW there isn't.

>>378497324

And its still one of the most polished mmos out there.

>>378494579

>the day I took the fel fire into my veins

lol nope, turned it off then.

>>378494579
Doesn't count as a retcon since his origin was retconned in TBC and they can just say they were fleshing out his character.

>>378497491
Unfortunately true.
Its sad to think that this genre has fallen to the point that the only new releases to look forward to are doomed kickstarter projects.

>>378495001
He's going to get Holy Powers, and they're going to unlock Orc Priests/Paladins. Get ready.

>>378496528
This hurts to read. I stopped playing WoW after WotLK and thought the Warcraft lore was pretty fucking cool. Give me some more info on how Blizz is butchering the lore.

>>378496423
Well, if we assume that character progression has some sort of canonical basis in reality, than the players who fought Archimonde in WoD were exponentially more powerful than the players who fought KJ in the Sunwell. Likewise, the adventurers who fight Kil'Jaeden at the end of Tomb of Sargeras are about ten times more powerful than the ones who killed Archimonde so...

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>>378497621
This is actually more likely than you think given that Night Elf paladins are already pretty much confirmed

>>378497491
That's not saying much since mmos are shit

>>378497692
Skinner boxes are here to stay aren't they?

>>378497679
Night Elf Paladins >>378497738 and Anti-Corrupted Light Dreadlords are some of the more recent stuff they've done.
They also wrote Old Gods into being nothing but mooks for the REAL bad guys, the void lords or whatever the fuck.

you fucks are making me want to get out of bed and resub

>>378497692
>Well, if we assume that character progression has some sort of canonical basis in reality

Unfortunately that's what Blizzard seems to be doing.

However, the racial leaders and their guards are always several steps ahead of the players. If the players are that strong then surely the 5 alliance leaders could just get together and solo the entire Burning Legion

>>378497491
A polished turd is still a turd. I will always take a jagged piece of gold over it.

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>>378497847
How is any of this making you want to resub?

>>378497847
>Resub
>Get funneled into doing world-quests and quests on the broken shore as its only content
Nigga...

>>378497847

Dont do it. Legion is a poor mans wod. Its just so half assed.

>>378497265
Wow is currently and UNIRONICALLY the most devoid of imagination it could ever possibly be.

>>378497738
>Nelfs end up getting shamans
>undead get paladins instead

>>378497798
Well they do work.

>>378497857
As I understand it, that's also how it goes canonically. Small-time bosses and dungeons may be conquered by "warriors of the horde/alliance", but the big dudes like Arthas, Deathwing, etc. are all canonically killed by faction leaders and other notable NPCs.

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>>378497846
>They also wrote Old Gods into being nothing but mooks for the REAL bad guys

>>378497904
>>378497951
>>378497963


yeah
im really burnt out on ESO

i need a new MMO
(no black desert that game is cancer)

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>>378497865

What kind of people do they hire at Blizzard? I feel like even I could take the game in a better direction at this point

>release the last expansion
>retcon WoW's lore in its entirety
>release Warcraft 4 with new (good) writers that continues where TFT left off

Would this be the only way to save the franchise?

>>378497847
Anyone who plays wow now just lacks any motivation in life and has too much spare time to blow.

I have a friend who literally just plays wow to collect gold so he can resub for free and rinse-and-repeat. He also plays for the SP content where he ABSOLUTELY talks to NO ONE IN THE GAME and just does LFR to "experience the epic story at his pace". He quit wow when he was busy but when he had more time he just goes back to doing the exact same shit.

Also when asked what were good points in story its always the "depth and lore" point without any details and just "theres so much lore man".

>>378498036
I'd actually resub for a couple months to roll an RP an undead paladin. I'd hate myself for doing it, but I would.

>>378498169
Just make a spiritual successor.

>>378495001

>thrall single-handedly defeats it and saves the world

Come on, anon. It was bullshit that he got the killing blow but Deathwing got fucked by everyone

>>378498048
To elaborate: imagine all of WoW as Warcraft 4, but from the inside of it. We think we're all the baddest fuckin warriors to walk the earth, but we are the Footmen and Elven Archers who just tag along with the Hero units during battles.

>>378498219
ouch this hit home

>>378498169
Never going to happen. Not only has WoW been a huge cash cow but RTS games sell like dog shit these days. If anything they'd turn Warcraft 4 into some shitty f2p thing like Hearthstone or HotS.

>>378498276
>Final battle with the Lich King
>When he slaughters everyone and starts casting that resurrection spell, he was just casting Animate Dead on Fordring's chump units

>>378497857
Varian did solo a huge version of a boss that takes several people to kill as-is.

>>378498559
This.
Arthas straight up said that the players were the greatest fighting force the world has ever known. The players haven't been random mooks since vanilla.

>>378498276
That's how it used to be, and that was fine. The issue is now WE are the hero units. And that's not fine.

>>378498115
>i need a new MMO
Then its pretty much WoW or nothing.
There is FFXIV which is pretty much WoW with an anime reskin if you're into that sort of thing.

>>378494579
Wow dosnt matter.

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>>378495001
>Blizzard was haunted by the vocal minority boogieman SO much, they scrapped Pandaria as a trigger to WoD altogether.

Ok, land of mythical powers. The source of evil that triggers the next expansion?

No, of course not. That would make the expansion relevant, and we can't have Billy Von "I need to stare at human/elf ass while I shit green fire everywhere" Fucktard's vision for the game spoiled. No. Too much "pandashit" for our super serious manchild in his fantasy world. Have to make it devoid of that, or the Blood Elf playershare may drop 1%.

Instead, Old Gods, and then Bronze Dragonflight, because fuck it. He thinks both of those are cool.

Count your fucking blessings you gave Arrakoa some interesting lore, Blizzard. You kept my attention for at least ONE more expansion before shitting the bed in Legion on Dindullidan and even MORE greenfire "badassery".

Fuck off. I'll be laughing at your Blizzcon reveal of Corrupted Angelic Undead Jaina vs. Fel Demon Hunter Alleria and her half elf/racemixed dragon/orc/draenei daughter courtesy of a cucked Turalyon.

>>378498110
Forgot to mention, Azeroth is actually an unborn Titan which is why Sargeras is so apeshit about destroying it.

>>378498970
>FFXIV
>anime

Nigga you what?

Anyway, FFXIV is good if you like good story, music, and group-based PvE. Some of the best raids in any game. It lacks in world content and PvP though.

>>378497243
I think you need to read the post again

>>378497437
WoW is shit but Draenei still make my dick harder than any substance in the known universe. Even better when they have big, thick, dripping horse cocks

>>378498115
What's the big deal with BDO? I was just playing the free trial after being curious about the Steam release and it seemed pretty fun. Persistent mounts and the housing shit was unexpected.

>>378496528
>>378497679
>entire roadway exit from the dark portal is LITERALLY made of draenei skeletons
>gromm a good boy he dindu nuffin, need mo' lumber for dem strongholds

>>378499361
Do you like grinding mobs for hours every day? If so, it's a great game. If not, stay away, because that's literally all it is outside of shitty "world pvp" (aka get ganked by 40 russians spamming cuss words).

>>378499361
i have over 14 days put into that game

youll see when you get to the soft level cap that you have to be autisitc or on disability to progress in that game.

its so annoying and no one sees it


OR youll spend time processing "playing"
but really youre either traveling or processing somewhere which...you arent playing

>>378496795
That's only on Mythic mode.

Blizzard hasn't decided which fight is canon.

So currently Archimonde's dead or banished status is a giant ?.

>>378499173
You heard me.
I do wish that boss fights in WoW had there own themesongs like in FFXIV though.

>>378497332
WoW was a meme game before reddit was a thing. It thrives on references.

>>378497050
>mythic isn't canon
But im pretty sure the firelands ragnaros heroic fight is canon fight though since he dies in that fight instead of fleeing like in normal.

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>tfw unused content

At least they ended up explaining the scary shit beneath Tirisfal Glades

>>378499361
It has korean level grinding/crafting with no payoff beyond "now I can grind/craft some more"

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>>378499453
>>378499470
Sucks to hear. I was looking forward to the sailing and fishing.

>>378499630
>At least they ended up explaining the scary shit beneath Tirisfal Glades
Yeah and it sucked.

>>378499484
I hear you, it's jarring when all you hear in a big fight is the boss talking to you or the player's sound effects, then everything stops for a phase change and it's dead silence

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Was he right? Is this how WoW will end?

>>378499820
I've pretty much always listened to my own music for that reason.
Most of the WoW soundtrack is really dull and forgettable these days.

Needs more Panda women

>>378497846
There's literally nothing wrong with Night Elf Paladins.

If a race can be a priest and a warrior there's no reason they can't be a Paladin save for Undead.

>>378499948
I think the only note worthy soundtrack is Ulduar, its the magnum opus of WoW there.
Then they decided to jew out the music and put generic music as BG so the niggers can listen to their dubstep. Sad shit, I still have some chills when I remember entering Ulduar for the first time.

>>378500087
Nah.
Tauren Paladins were fucking retarded and Nelf Pallies is even worse.

>>378500164
Tauren couldn't be priests before they could be Paladins.

Literally what is wrong with a nelf paladin? Explain to me how they shouldn't already be paladins with priests and warriors available to them you faggot.

>>378500142
Yeah, Ulduar had some good ones.
I still wish they would bother to compose some hype tracks for the big boss fights though, even just some war drums pounding or some shit instead of the usual droning ambient music playing on a loop through the entire raid.

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>>378499792
>Guys just you wait Tirisfal's got some spooky shit and we swear it isn't Old Gods!
>It's Old Gods

>>378500164
Nelf Paladins make vastly more sense than Tauren and as much sense as Draenei now that Elune is a Naaru.

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>faction A gets its identity destroyed for the benefit of faction B
>people from faction B whine endlessly on the forums that faction A is favored

Its gotten so bad some people have stopped going "no we have it worse because______" and have switched to "come on, its not that bad"

>>378500238
Its the same reason why humans shouldn't be able to be shamans. It ruins the unique identity of each class if literally anyone can pick it up and do it even though it isn't grounded in their culture at all. I would even argue Dwarf Paladins was a bit of a stretch at this point.

>>378500289
And the bizarre thing is that they didn't change composers at all, unless they are like cutting all the funds for music there is no reason for the current music to be shit.

>>378500371
yeah fuck the alliance

>>378500436
>Its the same reason why humans shouldn't be able to be shamans.
How is that at all comparable?
>It ruins the unique identity of each class if literally anyone can pick it up and do it even though it isn't grounded in their culture at all. I would even argue Dwarf Paladins was a bit of a stretch at this point.
How can you justify priests and warriors being ground into their culture but not paladins?

>>378500318
>night elves follow elune, represented by the moon
>tauren seek balance and start focusing on the sun becoming sun warriors
>defaulted to paladins just like blood knights would be different if the game had infinite development time
what exactly results in night elf paladins? night elves turning away from elune?

>>378500483
>2017
>faction wars
Fuck off to whatever shithole your came from nigger

>>378500238
Because nightelf priests are priests of elune. They get their power and 'light' from elune, not the traditional light other races use.

It's a similar cop out like with tauren. "Ohh uhh taurens get their light powers from the sun! they worship the sun!". Tauren is way worse than nightelves, but it's still a dumb idea that priests of elune suddenly armor up and become juggernauts of justice.

>>378500371

>Warchief has showed up for a grand total of 5 minutes the entire expansion and is now just a talking(shouting) head for world quests
>Meanwhile Horde is taking 100% of their orders from a human, a draenei and a shitload of night elves

It's not that bad.

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Now that we have a pirate spec for rogues, how are there not tauren rogues yet?

>>378500657
So why not just say Night Elf Paladins are warriors of Elune?

>>378500628
ALL Paladins get their powers from Naaru now. Including Humans and dwarves.

>>378496236
This is why I love the Tomb of Sargeras audio drama.
Khadgar shows up and IMMEDIATELY gets reduced to a fucking bitch by Maiev. He fails at ultimately everything despite being clever about the way he does things, acts as a great foil to Gul'dan and is just forced to run after a completely hopeless fight.

That single audio drama is written better than the entirety of World of Warcraft lore, including every single book.

>>378499481
Schrodinger's demon

>>378500675

race/class balance is tougher than they thought, they'll have to improvise

>>378500628
She still follows Elune. One of her follower abilities is seal of Elune.

>>378494579
You could say he deceived you.

>>378500509
>How can you justify priests and warriors being ground into their culture but not paladins?
Because holy crusaders of the light isn't a thing for Night Elves and shouldn't be. The class aesthetic just does not fit them at all. Even less so with Trolls who can also be both warriors and priests.

>>378500648

>Entire game's foundation is literally Orcs vs Humans
>"Hurr faction wars"

3/10, worth a (You) but not much more.

>>378499481
>>378496795
>>378496763
>>378496423

I'd be alright with them bringing him back as a reforming husk with some other reforming Eredar for a Soul of the Eredar fight in the Argus raid. They could make it a burn style fight that the longer it goes on, the more power they regain and they eventually emerge to kill you at the end. So longas the fight is done in the twisting nether so we can finally say we killed them once and for all.

>>378496876
>tfwno cowboy expansion

>>378500805
I mean Elune is apparently just whatever the fuck she wants to be. Sun, moon, Light, holy, whatever, it's all just Elune.

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>>378500628
I am pretty sure that some new lore explains that Elune is a being of the Light. Khadgar believes that Elune created the first Naaru to begin with.

>>378500840
the Faction war in WoW is literally irrelevant at the point, the only way Blizzard can even keep it going is by doing contrived bullshit.
The entire premise for the conflict, the Orcs world being destroyed and their need to find a place in a new world, is completely gone. At literally any moment they could pack up their shit and go back to Draenor.

>>378500675
THESE LANDLUBBERS ARE TOUGHER
THEN
I
THOUGHT

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>>378500740
kek'd

Citizens of Dalaran

Raise your eyes to the skies and observe! Today our world's destruction has been averted in defiance of our very makers!

Algalon the Observer, herald of the titans, has been defeated by our brave comrades in the depths of the titan city of Ulduar.

Algalon was sent here to judge the fate of our world. He found a planet whose races had deviated from the titans' blueprints. A planet where not everything had gone according to plan.

Cold logic deemed our world not worth saving. Cold logic, however, does not account for the power of free will. It's up to each of us to prove this is a world worth saving. That our lives... our lives are worth living.

>>378500858
That's actually a nice idea, if that wasn't literally Avatar of Sargeras. Unlikely they'd repeat that gimmick so quickly.

>>378500828
Just say they're Elune warriors. Trolls are mostly Shadow priests so they don't really fit.

>>378494579
The fuck are you on about?

>>378500960
You are too late!

With the power of the Focussing Iris, I can siphon the arcane energies of Azeroth's leylines directly into my magnificent self.

Drained of magic, your world will be ripe for destruction by my demon masters and my power will be limitless!

Eat magic, imposter!

>>378500509
Priests were initially used to represent a great many faiths, from the Holy Light of the Alliance to the Forgotten Shadow of the Forsaken, to the Voodoo of the Darkspear, and they all had corresponding racial spells to further make that distinction in culture.

Paladins were based entirely off of the Humans' perceptions of the Light's teachings and that was it. Dwarves got in on it because they were bros, and some mary sue High Elves too who then turned around and turned it into a lame edgefest, though even then they gave them a distinction from their Alliance counterparts (in the form of one single spell having a different name, but they were already waning on the quality then). Tauren sun worship came out of left field and had no actual representation in the class mechanics, nor any real effort made into legitimizing the story.

>>378500963
>Just say they're Elune warriors
Yeah might as well at this point, I don't even care anymore. If Tauren Paladins fly I guess they do to.
At this point they should just remove all race/class restrictions since every race can hypothetically be whatever they want now.

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>>378500938
Even after this explanation some retarded nigger will yell "For the Alliance xD" or "For the Horde xD" because they have no fucking idea how to process the shitty lore.

>>378501074
I'm not talking about Tauren though, I'm talking about Night Elves.

What reason is there that the Night Elves can't wield their divine powers as warriors the same way Humans can with the light?

>>378500938
I don't understand why they don't just lift the faction restrictions for guilds and for group finder at this point.
Horde vs. Alliance has no place in the lore and hasn't since a long ass time. I'm starting to suspect they just enforce that shit in order to keep paying for faction transfers relevant.

>>378500912
im speaking more thematically and it a large enough number to warrant the class being rollable. Elune, whatever she is, has always gifted light powers. The tauren moving towards the sun was a cultural shift
Moon Warriors would just be priestesses of elune

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>>378501075
>human druids
That was something back in the beta

>>378501248
they said at BlizzCon thati t's because they want to keep the iconic Horde vs Alliance dichotomy

it's pretty fucking dumb

>>378501301
>Human druids

You mean Worgen, which are canonically Humans who have been cursed with Druidic magic and learned to be druids?

>>378501248
They are retarded because race change money would go crazy the minute they announce faction wars is done and lifted.

>>378499481
>mythic gul'dan
>have to fight illidans demon soul
yeah nah just let khadgar free him and be done seriously though i had no idea who the fuck khadgar was when he showed up in WoD since i didint play WC2 or payed any attention to NPCs in BC

>>378501380
Yeah Worgen are literally just human druids with an extra form.

>>378501380
Yeah some people don't want to be a double furry. One shapeshift is enough

>>378501380
>You mean Worgen, which are canonically massive fags that we will never legitimize with more than a website short story

Fixed

>>378500858
Why can't we just do away with faction shit already

It's pointless from both a lore and gameplay perspective. Every fucking expansion we're """"uniting"""" against a common enemy. Just fucking end it already.

>>378499092
pandas are fucking gay and are literal redditt pandering(LOL). srsly, if you belive otherwise you should kys

>>378499420
You're thinking of Outland. That didn't happen on Draenor.

>>378501483
b-but greymane..

>>378501509
t. illidont, level 110 blood elf semen hunter

>>378501534
Anon..

>>378501197
The same reason Draenei can't be Warlocks even though there is literally nothing stopping them from doing so.
There is just not enough Elune Priestesses who decided to put on some plate armor and pick up a sword and go smite the undead to justify making it a playable class/race combo. Not that that means anything anymore given the ones we got in cata.

>>378501618
Draenei warlocks or rogues would require some serious reworking of the draenei starting area. And that will literally NEVER happen

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>>378495001
>orc hitler

FUCK YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT, GARROSH HELLSCREAM WAS THE BEST WARCHIEF WE HAD SINCE OGRIM DOOMHAMMER BUT BLIZZ MADE HIM A CRAZY RACIST VILLAIN FOR LITERALLY NO REASON AND DID A COMPLETE 180 ON HIS CHARACTER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfUTrDnQNBk

>>378501493
The same reason they refuse to just merge servers instead of having 20-30 empty ones "fixed" with CRZ.
They make a lot of money from realm and faction xfers.

>>378501616
He's right though, the Road of Glory is just paved with stone on Draenor, they hardly got their campaign rolling before deciding to invade another world like a bunch of fucking retards.
He WANTED to pave it with draenei bones, probably, but didn't. Yet.

>>378501618
>The same reason Draenei can't be Warlocks even though there is literally nothing stopping them from doing so.

There is though. Draenei who use Fel become corrupted into Eredar, and their culture is so vehemently against the very notion of it.

This is not at all comparable with the idea Night Elves have towards fighting people with Elune.

>There is just not enough Elune Priestesses who decided to put on some plate armor and pick up a sword and go smite the undead to justify making it a playable class/race combo.
So why can't the lore advance to say that there are a growing number of them?

>>378501616
Outland is our Draenor, blown up. AU Draenor did not blow up, and there isn't a skeleton road going to it in AU Draenor.

>>378501750
>So why can't the lore advance to say that there are a growing number of them?
It can.
Which is shit and lazy writing.

>>378501536
Greymane had a revolt against him for a reason, the reason being that he was a senile, paranoid diaperfur that messed his adult diapers on a regular basis that told all his allies to fuck off until his country got deep-dicked from all corners.

>>378500728
god damn it

>>378498696
When are they going to add WeedLordGoku and xXxDarkiekillaxXx to heroes of the storm?

>>378501795
So you know, unfortunately, that's exactly how they'll be doing it.

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>>378499092
You're aware that a huge majority of players stopped playing pandaria and credited it to the setting right? Oriental fantasy is just not popular especially not when mashed in western fantasy. It really didn't help that they slapped a coat of furfag paint over it.

>>378501890
Yup.

>>378501716
Hitler had a noble origin story too though

>>378498696
The player are the worlds greatest fighting force of random mooks. An equal number of lore characters would still be better than they are

>>378501716
>FOR LITERALLY NO REASON
The reason was so horde would have a reason to run the final raid of the expansion. They couldn't have alliance raid org and have half the playerbase twiddle their thumbs

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>>378501716
I miss him.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlH8PTijzA

>>378501795
How is it lazy and shit writing? I'm not at all one to defend Blizzard's usual atrocities but there's literally nothing to say the Sisters of Elune ( who canonically have always been a more martial oriented priestess order ) can't put on blade and grab a sword.

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Reminder that Blizzard cut out best boy for absolutely no reason, despite having a fully voiced and realized sub-story in Highmountain.

>>378502035
Or they could have made the final raid not a faction city at all and something far more interesting

>ToS in a few weeks

You have Concordance unlocked on all of your weapons, right?

>>378499092
>Alleria's daughter

shut the fuck up and don't give them ideas. we just got med'an thrown out

>>378502109
put on plate, rather.

>>378496981
Fuck. Do they even make patch artwork anymore?

>>378502152
>implying we play this game anymore.

>>378501906
No, I'm not aware. And neither are you.

Fact is: MoP had more players than WoD until the SoO drought.

>>378501716
The WoW playerbase was screaming for his death after he cucked Vol'jin out of the job as Warchief.
Its sad but that's how it goes.

>>378502134
Alliance players were upset about working with a Horde character, so they removed that entire plot.

>>378502035
I will still eternally boggle my fucking mind at them revealing he would be the last boss of Pandaria BEFORE THE EXPANSION EVEN CAME OUT.

Make the storytelling less organic than ever why don't you.

>>378502134
Baine should have been Warchief. Him and Lor'themar are the only faction leaders deserving of the title.

>>378502207
I think they still do.

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>>378502040
>Go to broken Shore
>Alliance is up against every named demon in the entire game without even breaking a sweat.
>Our warchief gets killed by trash
>Thrall belly up
>Cairne questioning his life choices
>Sylvans sounding the retreat because apparently "victory or death" means run away

If Garrosh was still warchief, Horde would have held the line for those ten more minutes until the alliance gunship got into the position. Then caused a rock slide to take out the alliance fuckers

>>378502109
Its shit writing to just say "hey for no reason a huge population of elune priestesses decided to be moon warriors now".
Just like it would be shit writing to say "hey for no reason the Tauren druids are suddenly compelled to pick up swords and wear plate armor when they worship the sun now".

>>378502335
Anduin in Pandaland though..

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>>378502152
>More Artifact Bullshit

>>378502250
>Make Vol'jin the new Warchief
>spend 2 fucking years doing nothing
>die the most ridicule death ever.

Sucks to be a Troll.

>>378502134
maybe its just me, but I feel they targeted Wrathion and Baine went away with him. Because Wrathion is responsible for the entirety of WoD and Legion. Running errands for him out of nowhere would be like questing for Nzoth

>>378502415
>Its shit writing to just say "hey for no reason a huge population of elune priestesses decided to be moon warriors now".

They were always moon warriors though. Not letting them be paladins from the start is the shit writing.

Also
>no reason
The world is facing Armageddon. It's logical that there would be more people trying to be warriors.

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>>378499092
>Genuinely loved MoP, consider it the best expansion
>They completely fucked themselves over because now all they do is try and pander to get players back, instead of making an actual good game
>Now we're trapped in this hell of bringing back/killing off characters that'll result in players coming back just to see what happened
>So goddamn fucking sick of this shit that I just want WoW on a new engine already and have them revamp Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms
WoW needs to be on a new engine to survive for longer I feel.

>>378500731
i chuckled. Thank you.

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>>378502360
Baine is a bigger doormat than Anduin, and Lor'themar has permanent wingman syndrome.

>>378502415
>when they worship the sun now

The Tauren have always worshiped the sun as the right eye of the Earthmother. Its just that with close proximity to Night Elven druids, their society became influenced by them and moon reverence was dominant. Aponi says in WotLK that the Tauren focus too much on the moon, thus neglecting an entire aspect of nature and the Earthmother. They didn't just start worshiping it "for no reason".

Should I resub or play XIV or just play nothing?

>>378502335
>>378502447
>Horde are forced to help not just Velen with taking back the Exodar, but Tyrande and Malfurion as well
>Getting even more Alliance pandering because Blizzard is too scared of upsetting them because they're so used to being coddled and told that they're the good guys

>>378502369
>Cairne
*Baine
Cairne's been dead since Cataclysm.

>>378502759
Play nothing or play Elysium.

>>378502369
>If Garrosh was still warchief, Horde would have held the line for those ten more minutes until the alliance gunship got into the position.
Yup.
Garrosh's Horde + The Iron Horde would've blown the legion out of the water. Too late now though, thanks Thrall.

>>378502369

Maybe if Garrosh didn't drink the Sha Kool-Aid he could have lived.

Half-way through Pandaria, he would have just went "fuck what am I even doing, there's no honor in this" and resigned to fuck a panda or something, and give Vol'Jin the position.

Man Trolls always get shafted. I miss Zul'Jin.

>>378499492
>Warcraft 3
>Someone set us up the bomb was a code

Damn you're right.

>Uldum is one big Indiana Jones reference

I can never seem to tell is Blizzard actually cares about lore or not

>>378502148
I know and would have preferred they did. I'm just saying the obvious reason why. Because damning him just to kill him at the end of the same expansion sure wasn't for Horde benefit
Especially when you consider the attention he got in Wrath and Cata. Just killing him off dumps that story progression down the drain

Why do people think Kil'jaeden in the cutscene was some kind of redemption arc and not a usurper one?

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>>378502459
>Sylvanus gets made warchief
>Literally the most evil entity on Azeroth
>Tried to suicide at Ice Crown because murder was her only reason to live.
>Canonically, factually sees her people as nothing more than a fucking shield to keep her personally alive
>Even Garrosh of all fucking people knew she was a bad egg.
>EVERYONE CHEERS WHEN SHE BECOME WARCHIEF, NOT A SINGLE TAURNE ORC OR TROLL CALLS BULLSHIT ON IT

>>378501906
I only stopped playing mists because they fucked my favourite spec that was mechanically perfect in cata, and i had no desire to play anything else.

Thankfully shadowpriests are ridiculously fun again so i'm back

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>>378502759
wait for first week of Stormblood to release and see if its a fucking apocalypse.

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>>378502671
>Using Warcraft 3 as your basis for saying Baine's a doormat
>After he told Magatha to fuck off and kicked out those dirty Grimtotem and told Tyrande to fuck off when she tried to bait him in War Crimes

>>378502561
>The world is facing Armageddon. It's logical that there would be more people trying to be warriors.
Which is why I said I don't even care anymore since you can use that justification for anything. Might as well open up every race/class combo because times are tough and yadda yadda yadda.

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>>378502671
>bigger doormat than Anduin

But Anduin is claiming the title of fantasy Jesus now that Thrall has stepped down from the role.

>>378502757
I didn't say they started worshipping the sun for no reason.
I said worshipping the sun compelled them to turn into plate wearing paladins for no reason.

>>378502892
I went apeshit and I was a fucking blood elf. Horde deserve to be cucked to death after this shitshow with Sylvanas.

>>378502874
Uldum was a casualty of time constraints. It was always going to be a race for a weapon, but it was originally going to be Reliquary vs. Explorer's league.

>>378502952
If he doesn't get his shit slapped by the end of 7.3, he damn sure will in the next expansion.

Van Cleef needs to become the Human faction leader with Corrupt Jaina's help.

And Onyxia as adviser again. Because fuck it.

>>378499940
>STARTING NOW THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A LICH KING NO TAKEBACKS
That shit was straight retarded.

>>378502952
He will become mega Jesus, because they want to force that Varian dying is not the end for the Alliance, so they are going to make him a fucking dual wielding paladin blasting shit everywhere. It's gonna be cringy

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>>378502415
>People will never not be butthurt over Sunwalkers
Sunwalkers are a fantastic idea, and they fit into Warcraft lore quite well. The main issue is that Blizzard did more harm than good with ~CLASS FANTASY~ and canned all of the sub-classes so they could homogenize them into a single class. Blizzard's own ignorance is the true culprit.

>>378500309
>Guys just you wait the Horde is getting a new Warchief and we swear it isn't Vol'jin!
>It's Vol'jin
They pull that shit all the time. I don't understand how people can STILL buy into their lies and get hype for new Blizzard shit.

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>>378503151
wowtards are gullible.

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>>378503115
>Varian dies and goes out like a badass
>The only reason Vol'jin died is because Varian died, and he went out like a fucking loser
>Mfw people actually try and say that Sylvanas is a good Warchief and totally not just pandering to waifufags

>>378502207
Yeah but its not done by Wei anymore because hes pretty much the best artist at the whole company so they make him work on other stuff.

>>378503045
He got his shit slapped back in Pandaria and nothing to show for it. Fucker forgives Garrosh after leaving him for dead. Wished garrosh finished the job so someone else can represent humans.

Speaking of racial representatives, who's the troll racial leader now that Vol'jin got killed?

>>378503134
Look, if they had at least put some effort into then maybe, MAYBE I would be okay with Sunwalkers.
In the very fucking least they could've renamed some of their spells and added unique particle effects to represent that they are still "sun druids" at heart.

>>378500087
night elves are a different kind of priest, this was covered in vanilla where every different race had priest racials/quests that explained all that shit.

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>>378503231
>When you realized that the whole point of all this Warchief swapping was so that they could kill both faction leaders without killing Thrall

>>378500318
>>378500628
>>378500912
>implying Elune isn't the unborn Titan fetus bleeding out in Azeroth's core.

>>378503282
>who's the troll racial leader now that Vol'jin got killed?

They literally don't have one.

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>>378503231
I'm still upset with Vol'jin death. Why they didn't make him and Varian make a fucking Bro last stand against Gul'dan.

Random no name demon killing him was unbelievable

>>378501280
>Elune, whatever she is, has always gifted light powers
Except when she gifted a space-time cutting scythe that summoned worgen.

>>378503282
Trolls are back in the cuckshed of being irrelevant.

>>378498418
People would not buy WC4 for the RTS/maingame but for the custom map, just like WC3

>>378502134
BAINE?!?

>>378503381
Worgens were just beast spirits until Argual fucked with the scythe and created a werewolf curse.

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>>378503286
They literally did put effort into it though. At the beginning of Cataclysm and into MoP, Sunwalkers actually got a good amount of focus and story.
>In the very fucking least they could've renamed some of their spells and added unique particle effects to represent that they are still "sun druids" at heart.
Blizzard would never waste the resources on something like that, one because it would probably end up confusing people, and they would have to do that for every race that had a sub-class, and two because Blizzard hates the Tauren and will never stop shitting on them each and every expansion for as long as they exist.

>>378501280
>night elves
>everything is themed on the moon and night
>elune's priestesses are called priestesses of the moon
>BUT SHE WAS A LIGHT BEING THE ENTIRE TIME!
bravo whoever got stuck in charge after metzen jumped ship

>>378502592
>WoW needs to be on a new engine to survive for longer I feel.

I would kill for Vanilla on a new engine with action combat and actual balanced classes.

>>378502335
>forced to help Tyrande while she acts like a total bitch to you

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>>378501716
>meanwhile Jaina and Sylvannas are free to fucking ruin their respective factions from the inside out because muh vagina and more importantly, muh anger

>>378503548
>I would kill for a completely different game

>>378503376
Because no one in their right mind would choose the Lich Queen to become Warchief otherwise. So they went with fatal injury, but living long enough to let him make her lead.

Is Legion that bad?

>>378503525
The moon doesn't give off light on it's own bro.

>>378502369
I was really hoping Blizzard would remember Danath exists and is still alive doing nothing in Outland and would have him come back and be a pro-Alliance racist power duo with Greymane against Garrosh.
>>378503497
Beast spirits still aren't light powers.

>>378503316
Blizzard already stated they refuse to kill Thrall off.
iirc when confronted about it they just say that "his story isn't finished yet ;))"

>that feel when HotS is Blizzard's best current game because its all fanservice and no corruption/redemption stories
Zul'jin best assassin

>>378501950
>Fought in a war
>Saw some shit
>Talked real good
its not like he was born satan, but how is any of that noble? sounds normal-ish to me

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>>378503598
It's literally down to 1.9m active characters in US+EU. Not account, characters, including alts.

>>378503508
>Tauren shit on

Listen I loved Cairne, we all did. but Tauren haven't been shit on so much as they have been largely ignored. And lets face it- they should be. They have no dooms day devices that they can bring to bare. They are just another race of tribals allied with the horde. They are about as destructive as Qullboar on their own.

The only outstanding aspect of the tauren race is their fetish for elevators and hell. They got an entire zone in Legion

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Post some WoW nostalgia. Also,

>tfw we'll never see Ozumat again or find out what became of Neptulon

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>>378503585
>that set

>>378503585
>implying Jaina isn't trying to save the Alliance

>>378503597
It's not like you couldn't write varian taking a hit that would have killed vol'jin but the after effects slowly finishing him off.

They just wanted that moment of "fuck the other faction" because its warcraft not best friends forever craft.

>>378503626
Hots got some god tier art direction and actually get works put into it despite being played by none.
Too bad the game itself is dogshit tho and the most boring and shallow gameplay there is.

>>378503614
but thematically the moon is the opposite of the sun, night is the opposite of day, etc. having the tauren turn into paladins because sun = light and then doing the complete opposite for the night elves is retarded.

>>378503626
I'd honestly like to believe that the HotS engine is setting up for WoW on a new engine.

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>>378503597
Yeah and we would probably have either a Tauren or BE as the new leader and not end up being cucked with Bitch Queen that wants even her followers to go fuck themselves.

Being Horde is pure suffering.

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>>378503598
It's not WoD bad, but it's definitely runner up for worst expansion.

>>378503663

2m is still an extremely high amount for an MMO.

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>>378503737
Forgot my picture

>>378503626
>All my favorite characters represented in a game that looks great with good art direction nice alternate skins and fully voiced
>It's a boring fucking MOBA
It's just not fair.

So a stupid question, but has there been any news on Legacy servers whatsoever since Nostalrius shit the bed, or is Elysium or whatever the only real option for the foreseeable future? I just want to dick around questing and tanking old dungeons, but all the vanilla content had changed too much for me to get any nostalgic enjoyment out of it the last time I played sometime in WoD.

>>378503692
Neptulon's fine, he shows up along with Therazane and the new leadres of the fire and Air elementals in the Shaman quests.

>>378503497
acshually they were druids of the pack who went apeshit and were sealed away until Arugal fucked with the scythe

>>378503663
achievements are account wide

>>378503798
2m active character in a game were people have A LOT of alts and bots are rampart is not a lot, at all.

There's probably more players subbed to FFXIV in the west than WoW at this point honestly.

>>378503798
2m CHARACTERS. Most players have at least 3 active characters.

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>>378503231
It should've been Lorthemar. He has more experience with leadership than Baine.
I don't understand why they insist on making him so irrelevant when he's currently the most badass Horde racial leader still alive.

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>>378503134
>There are Priest-inclusive races that can't be Paladins

I think they gave some bullshit about Worgen being cursed and can only carry the light so far.
Explain no Pandaren Paladins then, Alex, you asspulling fuck.

>>378503921
>>378503924

What this guy said >>378503901

>>378503751
Yeah must be hard when your figurehead is Dindu Nuffin Green Jesus, where your entire faction gets shattered and broken but the other faction helps you back up for literally no reason.

Just remember: Thrall will be the chosen vessel of Azeroth

>>378503134
CLASS FANTASY is the best thing blizzard ever did in a decade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHtgq4G4zo

>>378503964
Might as well since Pandaren DKs were confirmed already.

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>>378501906
I'm also aware that a huge portion of the wow playerbase is a bunch of fucking meme loving idiots that parrot an opinion of an expansion they never played. That's okay though because those of us that played mop can appreciate that the game was competent again for one more xpac. Now all those people that worked on it are gone and the game will steadily go downhill so you guys can have more popular settings with no depth.

>>378497847
honestly don't
I resubbed after quitting in Cataclysm and played for maybe 3 months before I got bored
The raids aren't awful but there is just so little to do other than the repetitive world quests and artifact grinding

>>378503282
>who's the troll racial leader now that Vol'jin got killed?

It SHOULD be Rokhan since he's as relevant to the Horde as Rexxar.

Unfortunately, no one on the current WoW dev team played Warcraft 3.

>>378503929
Sylvanas needs a source of conflict in the ranks of the Horde opposed to her rule. I fully expect her to kill him when/if he tries to do something about her.

>>378494579
So glad I stopped playing during Wotlk, Blizz can't do shits right any more

>>378503997
Ain't Illidan already made into literally Jesus? "He's the child born from darkness and light, he's the chosen one and the only one that can save Azeroth!"
That's what they say in the cutscenes in legion

>>378503598
Better questing/leveling experience, worse everything else. Followers are also back with vengeance because it's not like we never get tired of timers

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>>378504051
>Heroes of the storm has more nods to WC3 than the last 4 expansions of WoW.

>>378498219
>I have a friend who literally just plays wow to collect gold so he can resub for free
It's not free if he's grinding gold, It takes time and time isn't free. Honestly the gold for sub is so bad, you can easily make enough money to pay for a sub with a job a lot faster than getting gold like you do in wow.

>>378504098

Illidan is the champion of the light, but not of Azeroth itself (the loli titan thats asleep in the planet)

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>>378503665
>Tauren should be ignored because I said so
You sound like a writer for Blizzard.
>Cairne died in a book a small fraction of the playerbase read, and many still don't know he's dead
>Baine got cut out of Highmountain, and the story in Legion altogether, and he only ever gets attention in short stories and novels
>Magatha is back as a Shaman class hall champion, who Nobundo basically lets her off the hook and forgives, tells Muln to fuck off when he says that she should be kicked out immediately. Is arguably responsible for everything bad to happen so far, seeing as Garrosh becoming Warchief and Cairne dying kickstarted literally almost everything up until this point

>>378503713
>saving it
>burn every bridge and become a borderline schitzo because your town was bombed due to your Alliance's ignorance
If she was trying to save the alliance, she'd have melted Varian's head, along with Tyrande's

>>378504067
Hope they kill Sylvannas, I think her time was done in fucking Lich King.

>>378501248
World PVP was the best thing about WoW and you can't seem to kick its corpse out the door fast enough. Goes to prove that anyone playing WoW still is a massive, irredeemable faggot.

>>378503151

Lol Vol'jin didn't even remain Warchief to be relevant. Placeholderchief

>>378503921
>There's probably more players subbed to FFXIV
I'd be surprised if XIV reached half a million characters active. There's always new people playing but they don't stay because one of the game's selling point is the story campaign that can be played basically solo and when you're done you just quit.

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Anyone else really dislike what they did with the new player race models? Some of them are ok but a lot are just fucking terrible, like human males. Just what the fuck are these supposed to be? They look nothing like the original models and they still look like shit. Why does the hair look so fucking terrible? Why is the head shaped so oddly that none of the hairstyles even look like they fit on it correctly?

>>378502592
It's not going to fix a damn thing unless they make the gameplay so good that the shit lore won't matter. Everyone from MoP is gone, and now we're going to get endless amounts of wod and legion tier content that has absolutely no heart.

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>>378503665
>They have no dooms day devices that they can bring to bare.

Actually...

>>378503964
Outside of Buddhism does ancient/medieval chinese culture even have priests?

>>378504098
Anduin is supposed to be the chosen one leading an army to fight the darkness. So I'm not quite sure what they are going to pull with Illidank

>>378503663
>back when WoW was good, BC/Wotlk, blizzard boasted about how they had over 10m active players
>blizzard obviously stretches the truth and even outright lies a lot, so realistically it was more like 6m for US/EU tops, which is still impressive
>now these days it's down to below 2m, probably barely scraping above 1m realistically
It's pretty sad really. Oh well, you reap what you sow.

>>378498276
Yeah, except we killed Archimonde with fucking Yrel and Grom. Us "footmen" are capable of killing someone several leagues above everything in the Legion sans Sargeras with practically no help

>>378504229
The new faces look like ass because the old one was really flat and all the detail was in the texture so you had a lot of variety. Now you have all these textures applied to a really detailed face model.

>>378503376


why didnt Vol'jin give the Title to Baine?Taurens was one of the first races to join the Horde and I mean he was up there fucking up demon shit with Sylvanas too only Baine didn't have any skeletons in his closet unlike sylvan as who LITERALLY only serves herself and has stated so and made it apparent multiple time. not to mention she deals in all sorts of questionable shit

like who the fuck wrote this shit?

>>378504185
Pretty sure Garrosh slapped Cairne's shit in game, not in a book.

>>378504229
The new male Troll running animation is god awful.

>>378504229
new model faces were a mistake

>>378503598
The content itself isn't bad. But there's one particular grind in the game that takes a LONG time to do, although it has been alleviated a bit thanks to a recent update. I swear though if Blizzard tries to pull this shit again; they need to realize that the nostalgia audience will never fucking come back even if you make the progression process towards certain things as ridiculously long as back then.

Otherwise Legion has some pretty cool stuff like more class specific stuff than ever, and dungeons actually being relevant even at the endgamest of endgame thanks to Mythic+ (you gotta be really good though like for example tanks and healers have to know how to optimize DPS as well to be able to clear mega fast for the best rewards.)

>>378504175
Well, people are still hoarding tons of Gold that the Garrisons from WoD practically threw at you. I'm still sitting at 4 tokens myself, even after spending a ton on Tcg stuff, but no way am I redeeming them in such a bad expansion, if ever.

>>378504351
No, that was him against Thrall

>>378503598

It's mediocre, but the worst thing about it is that Blizzard clearly gave Legion their best shot and this is all they could come up with. The time-gating and RNG doesn't feel like it's there to make the game better, it's there to increase key performance metrics for the shareholders.

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>>378503692
>or find out what became of Neptulon

Don't worry, he's fine.

>>378504272
>Anduin vs Fel/Burning Legion
>Illidan vs Shadow/Void Lords

>>378502892
To this day I still feel she has some part in Voljin's death just so she can climb to power woman already worked with demons wouldn't be surprised if she cut a deal to have Voljin taken out so she can run the Horde.

>>378502928
>told Tyrande to fuck off when she tried to bait him in War Crimes
When did this happen? I have no recollection of it at all.

>>378504351
You're wrong and also stupid.

>>378503979
>>378503901
The stats are from the armory, achievements being account wide has literally no effect at all. They look at all active characters, not all characters per account.

>>378504387

It seems like everything blizzard does now is all timegating. I don't know if this is something that they will change.

>>378504418
No, that happened to but you could go and watch the duel in Thunderbluff as well. Google it.

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>>378504229
Some look good, some look like shit.
For example I really like that Dwarf beards actually move and aren't glued to your torso.
They fucked up undead hard though.

>>378504429
Is that fucking Akama?

>>378504429
>new elemental lord of fire is a recycled model from firelands

>First thing Sylvanas did on the Broken Shore was try to kill the local demigod we desperately needed help from to further her own agenda

If there was any legitimacy to the writing the Horde would be wiped out as soon as the Legion threat is over. They do this shit every fucking expansion, sometimes multiple times. They are nothing but a blight on the world.

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Who /Frostwolf-US/ here

>>378504272
It's probably go like this
>Anduin go fight whatever the fuck is the last boss of this expansion
>He fucks up and its about to get killed
>Illidan protects him and kill whatever the end game boss and end up being mortally wounded in the process
>"YOU WERE NOT PREPARED AND I DINDU NUFFIN BURNING CRUSADE WAS A SHAME"

Fanboys will choke on this cock so hard.

>>378504525
That's Nobundo.
Akama is part of the demon hunter storyline.

>>378503857
>>378504429
SO THEY JUST SAID "FUCK THE NEPTULON GETTING KIDNAPPED BY A KRAKEN" PLOTLINE?

I'm never fighting that kraken am I

>>378504351
Nah, any and all cinematics for it are fan made. The event happened in The Shattering novel. Pity since everyone wanted to see the earlier part of the fight where Cairne was beating the shit out of Garrosh (Garrosh "won" after all because he slightly grazed Cairne enough with his axe for the poison to kick in.)

>>378503598
Legion is some of the best shit they've made in years, my class is fun to play again and the story is finally moving forward after 2 expacs of nothing.

>>378497437
This.

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>>378504241

>She still has a Twilight Hammer superweapon that can destroy divine ground and armaments
>Becomes one of your followers anyways

HAHAHAHAHA

Oh god

>The Hearthstone team knows WoW lore better than the WoW team does.

NZOTH FUCKING WHEN? I HAVENT PLAYED SINCE WOTLK

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>>378504229
>tfw my rogue with beautiful long hair and a charming goatee become a disheveled homeless man with a mop of unkempt head hair and a lumberjack beard
Whatever they were trying to accomplish with the human male models they failed hard.

>>378504568
Half the horde is there just because of FUCK ALLIANCE and other half is there because of MUH THRALL. It's a joke of a faction.

>>378504441
not at all. Vol'jin didn't get his """vision"""" until he was stabbed with fel toxin. Sylvanus is in league with the legion to put herself into a position of power. It's why she always gets styled upon when she fights Grey Mane. She IS the bad guy

Reminder that Sylvanas has continued to do nothing wrong:

>The Horde's most potent leader on military fronts, made their own breach into Northrend by themselves while every other Horde race struggled with resources in the Tundra, claimed multiple territories against the Alliance during the biggest points of all-out war in Cataclysm
>The only things that harmed her kingdom were insurrectionists from the Burning Legion, the same type of defectors that occur in literally every other playable race and have done things to fuck with their kingdoms.
>Despite nearly slaying her in their uprising, she and her people are forced to shoulder the actions of the traitors, even though Thrall founded his new society on escaping from and never answering for his peoples' crimes against the Humans
>The entire sacking of Gilneas is not done on her order, Garrosh forces the Forsaken into what would have amounted to a suicide charge because he wanted more ports on the Eastern Kingdoms while she's still away
>Seeing in a vision how Garrosh's leadership would have literally genocided her people, she ignores it when he demands she stop using the Plague. Nobody misses the Worgen anyhow
>Gets the mantle of Warchief thrust on her against her will after making the call that saved the Horde but still manages it as best as she can while attempting to defy mortality, while Greymane squanders precious resources to pursue his vendetta she goes with only her elite guard and her own self, even leaving her navy and bulk forces to the player-champion, who she knows is the best suited for actually saving the world
>Greymane """"""totally pwns"""""" her by stopping her from gaining the power to eradicate the Legion, this is considered an evil move because she would have been acting against Odyn, who is not only the shittiest of Nordic ripoffs but also a total douche shit of a Watcher who helps nobody in any meaningful way.

Is Pandaria a giant Turtle or was that the Panda starting zone?

Is there any lore on this giant ass Turtle?

>>378504567
They have a raging boner for that model.
They reused it as a dungeon boss in WoD and reused it even more in Legion as a typical demon.

>>378504597
Somebody else rescued him.

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>>378504445
It didn't. It happened in The Shattering novel and it's referenced not even five times in the game.

>>378504445
>War Crimes, Baine is Garrosh's lawyer
>Tyrande is trying to bait Baine, giving him pieces of dirt collected from where Garrosh caused the most trouble
>She gives him bloodstained dirt from the arena where Garrosh killed Cairne
>Baine crumbles the dirt and lets it blow away in the wind, not falling for her manipulative bullshit

>>378504703
The giant turtle is where the NotJapanese Pandaren live who migrated there thousands of years ago from the Panda mainland of NotChina.

>>378504703
That's just the panda zone. Pandaria was just hidden from the world by mists because they didn't wanna be made a part of horde alliance faggotry

>>378504135
HOTS has some of the people who made WC3 in lead roles.
WoW was scrapped together by the entire company, i doubt many people from the RTS floor stayed on it.

>>378504703
The Wandering Turtle was the starting zone and now it's the Monk class hall.
It's separate from Pandaria.

>>378503857
>>378504429
Nice, guess I don't need to worry about when they'll do more cool underwater stuff with big ass squids, whirlpools, and naga

>>378504692
>Foreign general currently leading a rebellion in an Alliance nation
>Running a systemic campaign of torture, experimentation and genocide on the locals
>Developing a plague to wipe out the living
>Giving a Nathrezim free reign to the point where he almost summons fucking Sargeras to Azeroth
>"nothing wrong"

>>378503282
>who's the troll racial leader now that Vol'jin got killed?
Hahaha you think there are any important trolls left in the Horde, how cute.

>>378504829
>Pandaria was just hidden from the world by mists because they didn't wanna be made a part of horde alliance faggotry
I thought it was to protect themselves from demons during the war of the ancients

>>378504703
starting zone. Dude wanted to explore so he sailed on the back of his turtle. Turtle kept getting bigger and he inspired more people to explore. Pandaria gets shrouded in magical mists to avoid the sundering. Turtle roams the oceans for ~10k years. Grants Aang energy bending

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>God the curse of undeath is so terrible, we truly suffer. I'm going to kill Arthas for inflicting this curse upon us
>WELP TIME TO TURN AROUND AND INFLICT IT ON MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT XD AS LONG AS I GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO KILL THEMSELVES. IM A GOOD PERSON
>Oh hey... even Garrosh' crazy ass knows that necromancy is wrong and has ordered me to stop
>WELP IM GOING TO KEEP DOING IT WHILE USING THE MINIONS OF LICH KING TO STRENGTHEN MY POWER OH ALSO I ABDUCTED A KNIGHT OF THE EBON BLADE TO TRY AND RE-CREATE DEATHS KNIGHTS
>Oh and canonically I don't care about my people and only see them as shields to stop me from dying because I killed myself and went to Warcraft hell with Arthas and want to avoid that fate

Yeah man. I can't think of anyone more pure and kind.

>>378504703
Shen-zin Su is a turtle that was Liu Lang's faithful companion that grew to the size of an island who Pandaren started to live on because they wanted to be wanderers/adventurers after the last emperor of Pandaria shielded Pandaria with the mist.