>dishonored 2 flops >prey bombs how much longer do

>>378436876
Quick rundown on Prey?
I'm enjoying it so far, scratches that System Shock itch.

>>378436876
Their games are always just slightly above average.

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I know Dishonored 2 was an unoptimized mess, but why is it considered not great?

>>378436876
>Both games use Denuvo
>Both sell like shit

Really tickles the ol' para nuts

>>378436876
>would have bought dishonored 2 if the PC port wasn't shit
>even if they fix it now, there will be no one to talk to about it so I don't even want to play it

>>378436876
Prey is good as a good game should be, Im having a very good time with the campaing, It remainds me so much of HL1. I like the free roam component of the space station a lot
Obviously, if you like cover-shooters, or iteractive movies, this is not for you.

>>378438227
>He play games to talk about it
Millenials everybody

>>378437984
its a good game, just doesnt have mass appeal. same with everything they make really.

wouldnt be suprised if bethesda got them to make a division/destiny style shared world shooter next time around

>>378436876
Bethesda are at fault not the developers.

Developers are fine, they were fully paid for both games.

>>378437984
>Underdeveloped characters
>Buggy bonecharms, some of which never got fixed
>Sick style videos difficult to make because the mana regen bonecharm was nerfed by accident and never fixed, and objects didn't go where the crosshair was until half a year after release
>Enemy variety replaced by gimmicky levels when we could've had both
>New Outsider is some edgy tryhard instead of best boy because voice actor had an account called "trannydestroyer" which was just a joke
>Performance fixes are all just making the game look worse so it runs better

>>378436876
They need to get about 10% better. All their games have at least one thing that just sucks the joy out of it. Usually it's something that doesn't control quite right.

I love Arkane but honestly the only great game in the last 10 years was Dishonored 2 and that was the B team. Prey has too many flaws from drifting to annoying sound effects. Dishonored was bloated with filler and muddy textures even for the time.

They can be great but they need to tighten up a bit. Then again the same can be said for everything Bethesda has input on. Even DOOM had a few small issues.

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>>378436876
They've started to pander to "progressive" crowd. Serves them right.

>>378440292
No they didn't.

>>378436876
Hopefully long enough time to make Arx Fatalis 2

>>378440348
I've already played dishonored 2. Who are you fooling?

>>378440292
>>378440551

Explain.

>>378440502
>Arx Fatalis 2
lol
it would be nothing like the first one since they would have to make it work for consoles

>>378436876
I want Dark Messiah 2

>>378440778
It would be consolized

>>378440620
One of the main characters is a girl.

>>378440348
They did. So many gay couples and way too "badass i can do it all no problem" female characters in Prey

>>378440881
>So many gay couples
One canon gay couple.

>way too "badass i can do it all no problem" female characters
I fully except a chief of security to be a little on the tough side, ignoring the fact that she and her group were totally fucked and knew it.

>>378440638
They could use motion controls to help the player draw the spells.

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>>378441007
>tfw using hand gestures in VR to cast spells

>>378440801
Just like Dark Messiah was consolized with "Elements"? Dumbass

>>378440620
>one of the writers is a literal tumblrina with no expirience in writing whatsoever, who got her job only for political reasons
>as a result, repulsive dyke characters
>female officers (in the oppressive world of dishonored there's a place for diversity hires just like in arkane studios)
>no signs of any manifestations of racism also
>half of the gang members are female

>>378437984
women

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>>378440292

>They've started to pander to "progressive" crowd

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>>378438790
exactly this

>don't sell game
>wonder why people don't buy it

>>378442835
So no actual proof.

>>378436876
Dishonored was never good.
Spaming IGN articles wont make it the empy soulless shit it was.

>>378443971
thats ok we don't have to do that, since the game is universally praised by most people

>>378438827
>New Outsider is some edgy tryhard instead of best boy because voice actor had an account called "trannydestroyer" which was just a joke
this had better not be true

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>>378443713

>>378440638
Arx Fatalis came out on console as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOMidQy-nQE

>>378444154
>Comparing Mad Max to film noir

She knows nothing about writing and nothing about movies.

>>378444153
Somewhat. See, the English voice actor is different, but I hear the Spanish one is the same as in Dishonored 1, yet they still had the same problem of sounding a lot more erratic instead of menacing.

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>>378444154
>For a moment I think he’s doing that thing that always happens to women at these things, which is that people try to imply you are just pretending to like video games so you can get into E3 and be hit on by gross dudes… or something. These people always have a Dark Souls t-shirt on or a smarmy grin or I assume at least two pitbulls at home. They probably drive humvees or whatever. They do stuff like ask you if you’re someone’s girlfriend (Such a personal question, what if I’m in between boyfriends right now? What if I just got dumped? What if I am asexual and came here purely to remind myself of why?), or they say “but do you really play video games” or “I bet you don’t like shooters” and they do everything under the sun to imply that you have no place here, get out, this is our world, our territory, and you are too close to my boner.
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/06/e3.html

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>>378445578
>What if I am asexual and came here purely to remind myself of why?
She's not wrong y'know

>>378436876
No one knows what consoles sales were like.

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>>378438827
>>Performance fixes are all just making the game look worse so it runs better

Yeah, because that's how it works. Optimization generally means precisely that - optimizing assets so the game runs better. If you're lucky no one will notice you're using simpler models, for example. You don't really optimize code itself after launch.

People seem to think optimization means "magically making things run better " for some reason.

>>378437984
Well I really didn't like the story, so much so that i couldn't find a reason to play it past the first level. The first game was extremely basic but it still worked: waifu and daughterfu were handled badly in front of your eyes so of course you go on the quest of revenge/redemption/whatever.

Here a shitty ruler was fucked in two seconds and kingdom submitted instantly to it. The fact that they went all infodump with "Emily the heart is actually your mother lol" not only makes this game weak, it makes the first one retrospectively weaker.

>>378438827
seems a Bethesda game to me

>>378446483
lazy

>>378436876
they're working on mobile games now in Lyon.

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>>378443480
making Emily a playable character was a waste of dev time and resources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqKwZpS8F_M
soon bros

>>378448870
Would've been better if they just picked one of them and gave that character all of the powers. So sick

>>378449068
Yeah, even if they'd just gone with Emily as your character for the sequel I'd have been fine than with what we got. Felt like half a game and I immediately lost interest in a replay when I rolled the other character and it was literally just a copy/paste job. If there's no real difference then why even bother? Just make a character creator and tell the people whining about representation to shut the fuck up and use the gender slider.

why did prey sell so poorly? i loved it personally, the art direction and setting were really interesting to me

>>378449538
Immersive sims don't sell that well anymore. The first BioShock game was an anomaly. It also had a strong demo with one of the better game openings ever.

>>378449538
it barely had any marketing and wasn't appealing to a large crowd

>>378440995
There's a lesbo couple and then there's two gay guys flirting with each other in the audio logs.

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>both games arent even that bad
This is why every AAA game wants the CoD audience

>>378436876
This disappoints me, dishonored 2 optimization problems aside I loved the game.

Same for Prey.

>>378449538
Immersive sims have never been bankable. Why do you think Looking Glass, Ion Storm, and Irrational Games no longer exist? It's stupid for them to have AAA budgets anymore.

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>>378436876
>how much longer do they have left bros
I hope not very long.

Maybe Ubishit will take them back and they make Dark Messiah II and release their third unoptimized piece of shit on release

Fucking French, great art designs and always a few original ideas but the tech and back-end stuff always gets the shaft.

>>378444153
I played the german version, so I couldn't care less. That was the same voice actor in both games, and he did a shitty job in 1 and was much better at it in 2

>>378444154
>americunt

here is your problem that texas branch is may be rotten but our french bros are still okay

>>378449538
>>378449837

Really tho, comparing Dishonored 2 with something like Ultima Underworld is a big joke from you.

>>378449863
I honestly think some incompetent cuck fired from Arkane Studios is on the board stirring shit up about them.

Maybe not so much as think as know, considering the guy who dumped spoilers for Prey's plot admitted as much.

Both Dishonored 2 and Prey are good games, and we should be encouraging the market to make more of them.

>>378450373
>not being overt cashgrabber is enough for a game to be considered good by nu-/v/

Dishonored 2 and Prey are two of the best games to come out in the past 12 months.

>>378437867
pretty much this

They aren't as good as many people make them to be. Dishonored was quite the shallow game, despite having good level design.

>>378449805
how the fuck does that have to do with shooting aliens with my fucking mind?

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>>378449808
Real question here is whether Bethesda has enough sense to realize not all of their games need to compare to Bethesda proper's games like Skyrim and Fallout 4. While ideal financially you can do just fine if not every game you make is a 10+ million copies sold blockbuster.

>>378451385
>They aren't as good as many people make them to be

That's because they advertise here

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>>378451227
They're 7/10's at most.

Prey fails to make a solid first impression and relies on multiple replays before it really clicks.

Dishonored 2 had two excellent levels and looks gorgeous but doesn't innovate in the least and remains incredibly easy, even on the higher difficulties. The decision to add voice actors literally gave me ear cancer.

They need to go back to their roots; medieval fantasy schlock. Arx Fatalis and Dark Messiah simply fitted them more than futuristic or whalepunk settings ever will.

>>378450373
>Both Dishonored 2 and Prey are good games, and we should be encouraging the market to make more of them.

How?

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>>378440881
>way too "badass i can do it all no problem" female characters
They've killed my men and now they've killed me. I'm holding my guts inside of me with both hands. I'm almost done... resist. This is bigger than my little life, the lives of my men and the lives of the people I was forced to kill. Resist. Humanity demands it! Resist!

>>378449538
It doesn't have anything to stand on it's own other than "hey guys it's like System Shock 2!"

So what it's similar to System Shock 2, does it have anything going for its own, some interesting gameplay features, are you just trying to cash in on that game's good memoirs people have?

Also that name is generic, it's the kind of name you'd put on a C level horror film. It tells you nothing about what the game is about.

>>378451385
I don't think so, Arkane's games just have very clear strengths and weaknesses which makes them appeal to certain groups. For example, they couldn't get storytelling right if their life depended on it, but their level design is second to none these days. Which is sadly a problem when most people will just rush from objective to objective and ignore everything in-between aka the meat of their games.

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>>378451814
>The decision to add voice actors literally gave me ear cancer.

You crazy, homie.

>>378451920
They only have level design going for them, the parry instakill combat is trash, stealth makes no use of surface making different sounds, no use of different levels of light affecting your visibility. It has different elements that are shallow as fuck and good level design. That doesn't make a game great, it's still missing good gameplay at the very least.

>>378451654
they have been aware of that since dishonored 1. That's why they break into the semi normie scene with all the id game, quake, a resident evil wannabe and the "immersive sim" genre.

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>>378451920
>Which is sadly a problem when most people will just rush from objective to objective and ignore everything in-between aka the meat of their games

>tfw too stupid to enjoy Arkane games

>>378452054
He probably means VA's for the protagonists

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>>378444154
>(punches the air for feminism)

>>378446483
This is so fucking wrong that it hurts.

Why didn't they fix Dishonored 2? That's not good for a company's reputation, I wouldn't buy a new game from them if they didn't even set things right with their last product.

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Do we know for a fact that Prey flopped?

I just finished it yesterday. It was good.

>>378453831
>Good
Nigger it was fucking amazing

>>378453747
From what I hear the engine they used for DH2 is beyond fucked. And at that point, it's just not possible for many reasons to go back and fix it.

God knows why they decided on that engine.

>>378444154
>Tom Hardy

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>>378453894

It did make me rock hard on more than one occasion.

>>378437867
Dark Messiah was actually well above average.

>>378453894
agreed

>>378454218
I'm not so sure, gave it a try, the combat was horrible, and the initial scripted sequence in the fortress just bored me to no end. I gave up because I was almost falling into a coma. Definitely made me think it gets way more praise than it deserves, some other games have much, much better melee combat.

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>>378454135
>Finding out that you can use terminals with that toy crossbow
>Using the mimic power to enter rooms you can't access normally
>Removing the neuromod DRM, so you can make them infinitely
>That ending
>That attention to detail
>You can use random heavy items as throwing weapons when you run out of ammo or psi
This fucking game is a masterpiece.

I don't understand people saying prey required multiple playthroughs to "click". I was pretty hooked on my first play through after surfing about withe GLOO and recycler charges early on.

I'll be honest, I like games such as SS1, SS2 and Deus Ex, and I have yet to see something cool-looking about Prey. All webms posted, videos I watch of its gameplay, they don't look really good.They could've made a demo but looks like they just want me to jump in without knowing what's good about it, so how about no.

>>378455045
You need to play it to understand it. There's so many little details, and the mechanics are deep as fuck.

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>>378455045

I'd fully admit that every webm I've seen of it on /v/ was lame or a simple jump scare from a mimic.

Its not being done justice. Especially if it flopped. That would break my black heart.

>>378449015
damn, i wish the guy who did the doom interviews do these as well.

>>378453747
they have, though. game even has a three mission demo out.

>>378436876
What is your definition of a flop?

>>378436876
Bethesda is the new EA

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>>378456434
a game made by Arkane studios

>>378449015
this is way too overdramatic

>>378456818
this

>>378451814
>>378454538
literally wot, the first couple of hours are easily the best parts of prey, i guess everybody has their own taste but goddamn i find it hilarious that you needed multiple playthroughs to get "hooked"

>>378436876
can someone redpill me on why dishonored 2 was bad? i haven't picked it up yet, but my local vidya store has a used copy for $15. worth it?

>>378436876
>Have the most powerful and optimized engine ever created.
>Don't use it

What did Bethesda mean by this?

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>>378451654
>Bethesda proper's games
>like Skyrim and Fallout 4

>>378457726
modern idTech is trash, thanks to it games can't have mods, as Carmack pointed out

>>378457516
Same as the first but easier. 7 hours long, max.

>>378457805
You know what I meant.

>>378457913
thx anon. so that's essentially $2 and change per hour of gameplay. i might get it if i've got nothing else to run through.

>>378436876
Hopefully they won't see the beginning of the next year. The studio went Bioware's SJW tier route with employees getting their jobs because of affirmative action and of course the pandering degenerate propaganda in their products.

RIP in pepperoni, I hope they get nuked.

>>378436876
Prey sold a lot less than d2, which sold like crap.

Funny stuff.

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>>378457516
It wasn't. Some shoddy performance on launch on PC for sure, but it's more of a thing that sequels can't get away anymore with being the last game but shinier all over again. DX: Mankind Divided got the exact same criticism, for example.

>>378451814
>They need to go back to their roots; medieval fantasy schlock

We'll get exactly that sooner or later, Zenimax is inevitably going to let them use the Elder Scrolls IP since it practically prints money and is perfectly suited for them

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>>378458324
I think you absolutely can if you're catering to a specific audience that wants that experience. Dishonored was never anything close to a niche game, though. Compromised stealth and watered down action never did it any favors.

>>378458324
Mankind Divided was forgettable as FUCK, also felt unfinished, and had all kinds of greedy shit Square put in it.

It's one of those games that deserved to flop.

>>378456968
>17 year old studio
>Critically acclaimed games
Yeah okay, atleast you admit to being underage

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>>378458545
before skyrim I never would've thought so, but seeing as bethesda apparently despises the fact elder scrolls is a rpg series at this point it just might be possible they'd give arkane rights for a spin-off game

>you'll never play through the fall of ald'ruhn

>>378450003
one google search tells you they're scottish

>>378459250
So I take Call of Duty must be amazing in your book since their games get high scores, or GTA IV must be one of the best games ever made since it got 98 on Metacritic. I've played Dark Messiah and Dishonored, DM was incredibly average, and Dishonored was okay/mediocre. Hardly a company worth bawwwing over.

Better to die a hero than live long enough to become Bioware.

>Make a boring game with shit gameplay
>"B-but it's semi-unique, isn't that cool?"
Fuck Prey

>>378451654
Dishonored 2 sold better than dish 1, and that sold like a little under 2 million when it first launched and Bethesda considered that a success, we don't even have console numbers for prey yet but I'd guess it's about the same

I really doubt they invested more than 40-50 mill into each of these games, don't know why you chimps are gloating at how they flopped, Bethesda games normally have way longer legs than other games for some reason and they take that into account, not like EA who fire 200 people a week after a game launches if they don't meet their expectations

>>378458221
Still sold more than the new deus shit and shitman™

I genuinely hope they tank, good studio but selling out to Todd 'literally worse than EA' Howard ruined them

>>378459960
but you don't get it, everyone needs to get behind and make Prey fly off the shelves or games like System Shock will never be made again! Think of the poor Arkane, they're such cool people

>>378453894
Agreed, Prey is my goty, only game i actually buyed after pirating in years, as a sign of gratitude.
And I fucking hated everything Arkane has made besides Arx Fatalis.

>>378459354
what i wouldn't give for a proper tes game in a bizarre setting akin to Morrowind's.

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>>378449863
Case in point: pic related

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>>378460421
>we don't even have console numbers

Dishonored went 40% off in its second week on the PS store, Prey went 33% off.

Marketeers only do that so early when they have a Titanic-levels of under performing clusterfuck on their hands.

I partly blame the engine change, the first Dishonored was one of the best optimized games I've ever played and the Unreal Engine worked wonders with the painting art style they we're going for.

However there is one golden rule for selling games to normie vidya consumers: NEEDS MORE GRAPHICS BRAH

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>>378438827
the french outsider is still the same voice actor than disho1 and is absolutly perfect, kek.

>>378444154
Cara Ellison used to write for Rock Paper Shotgun which obviously tells you her "credentials".

Though fuck politics, the game was good.

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>>378461483
talking about mega flops

>>378453747
It is "fixed", it just requires an above average computer to run well. For reference, arkham knight still doesn't run well on anything

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>>378461812
It's still fun as fuck though. No game has or will do hacking better.

>>378458829
You know I think you hit the nail on the head. It fails because it tries to be BOTH an intelligent game for intelegant gamerz while also being normie as fuck. Just ends up alienating both groups.

>>378436876
Considering how the steaming pile that was TESO flopped super hard when it came out and was Zeni's biggest investment by far at like $200 million , and how the studio responsible wasn't hit with mass lay-offs, I'd say Arkane is pretty safe right now

Zenimax for all its bullshit is not like EA, Square or Ubi