Where the fuck was this faggot at for all of Persona 5? He literally

>>378424863
who is that? i've played all 3 persona games and never seen him.

Tatsuya caught him and has been punching him repeatedly for the last 3 games

>>378424932
:^)

Literally who
I've played both 4 and 5

>>378424863
Dude's tired from making an entirely new timeline. Though with Igor's VA dead I hope he'll return in P6 so we can punch him again for being the giant dick that he is.

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>>378425050
/ourguy/

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He got weakened massively by creating a new timeline and possibly keeping Nyarl sealed. He's the butterfly you see in P3 and P4.

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>>378424863

>>378427704
That's those twin warden girls fusion though or something

If this nigga was to ever appear to save the day it should of been in 3

People are going to be pretty confused when P2 characters start popping up in P5A.

>>378427704
That one is Lavenza.

>>378424932
He's in all three tho. 1, 2 and 2: the sequel

I really need to play the first 3 games, but they are so dated. I've tried P1 and P2EP, but they were so slow and I couldn't get into the battle system of P2.

>>378428417
not happening

I thought he couldn't get into this universe or Nyarlatoteph would appear again

>>378426206
>/ourguy/
>Loner
>Lusts for boypussy
>Scared of growing up
Yeah.

>>378428417
>Wanting the new writers to touch Persona 2 characters

Can you imagine character like Ulala from Hashino's team?

>>378429198
You literally just play P1 and P2 duology for the stories. The gameplay is merely servicable but the story in both of them are 100 times better than 3 or 4 (2 duology especially is really good)

Play IS(the PSP remake) first, its updated and lets you speed through battles.

>>378429569
Hashino's not on Persona anymore though, for better or worse. Also to be honest I'd still like to see them in a fighting game like P4A, but I've never felt that shoddy sequels and shit retroactively ruin earlier games to begin with so there's that.

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>>378429198
You're supposed to play P2 Innocent Sin first. Just get a psp emulator and download the remade PSP version. Auto battle and speed up through random encounters. Literally makes the game 10x better.

>>378429743
Well, whoever writers new Persona games. EP characters and P1 returns are pretty much the antithesis of modern Persona.

Some of them are even MARRIED to people that are not the protagonist.

>>378429570
>>378429820
Was there ever a fan-translation patch for the EP remake? I could've sworn that there was one

>>378429820
I have both PS1 and PSP versions of P1, IS on PSP, and EP on PS1. I have tried them since my initial foray. Maybe I'll tried them again after I plat P5.

>>378424863
He was stuck in PQ

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>>378426206
Indeed.

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>>378429927
"it could come out this year"

>>378429927
Taduko Soft has been "working" on it for a few years. It didnt progress much and so they're literally just gonna take EP's localization and change a few names here and there. No ETA on release

>>378429448
Are these points meant to invalidate >>378426206 's comment?

>>378426642
Butterfly from P5 was explicitly said to be Lavenza. It's possible that Philemon simply got retconned, and butterflies in P3 and P4 are now just Velvet Room attendants.

Nyarly as well was retconned out and now it's flaming meme man instead of the shadow of humanity.

Persona 1's SEBEC route story was rehashed in Persona Q.

Persona 1's SQQ route story was rehashed in Persona 3.

Give it up, first three games will never be relevant again.

>>378428597
persona started at 3, retard.

>>378429570
I haven't played 3 yet but I found the story of 1 to be pretty boring. Is it really better than 3's?

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>>378431256
>Events of P2 created the current Persona Universe.
>not relevant

nice try

>>378431502
One of Persona 1's route is literally just Persona 3

>>378431256
Probably best kept this way though. I really enjoyed P2:EP back in the day, but those games are very outdated at this point. You can play them for the historical context I guess, as all 3 take place in the same "universe" or continuing storyline.

And no, there won't be a(nother) remake of them. Can't have Persona without waifus and SoL elements these days.

>>378431256
>Persona 1's SEBEC route story was rehashed in Persona Q.
>Persona 1's SQQ route story was rehashed in Persona 3.

and Persona 5 is literally just Persona 2 lite. Really makes me think

>>378431663
Just take "not-social link" system from Tokyo Mirage Sessions, duh.

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>>378431502
persona 3 just rips off of the snow queen route and evangelion. the actual story doesn't pick up until you're 30+ hours into the game.

>>378431738
>and Persona 5 is literally just Persona 2 lite
How?

>>378431850
A lot of the underlying themes are very similar, calling it a rip off is going a bit far though.

>>378429569
She already is a loudmouth drunk who boxes. Screwing it up plays up her cool aspects and loses only the depth.

>>378429858
>Some of them are even MARRIED to people that are not the protagonist.
Preposterous.

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>>378431850
the game between igor and jaldacuck is a shittier version of Nyarl's and Philemons war.

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What are some other games where I can fight the fake God?

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>>378432182
SMT, you can fight YHVH.
Almost every persona game fights a god. Nyarrl would cuck them all though

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>>378432182
I love his voice, his theme and his look
10/10 boss

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>>378432182
I wish they would've just kept his SMT design

>>378424863
Having gay tentacle sex with nyarlathotep

>>378432470
They kinda kept. Yaldabaoth is just a robotic version of Demiurge.

>>378432470
That's the real one, Yaldabaoth is what people want of god, a hyper controlling machine.

>>378432470
Yaldabaoth isn't literally a Demiurge, anon.

>>378424863
He appeared at the end when the velvet room was dissappearing.

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>>378432954
The MT Wiki isn't exactly a good source of information, anon.
Pretty sure it still has an article on the Seven Deadly Sins in P5 when that system isn't even used in the game and attributes Sloth to Futaba for whatever reason.

While Yaldabaoth's defeat is somewhat analogous to Sataneal's Rebellion in Gnosticism they are nowhere near the same kind of entity.

>>378432470
Liked the newer version desu

>>378432331
Evil Igor's voice was great in it's own right, gonna miss it.

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>>378433285
>>378432331

Why didnt we get back P3/P4 Igor's English voice? When the real Igor came back I was hoping that would be the case then I got whatever piece of shit that his new voice actor is

>>378433437
didn't he die?

>>378433175
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge#Yaldabaoth

Demiurge comes in many names, anon. YWHW is its most common one

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If I was to some how get transported into the current Persona universe and start asking about Philemon, do you think demons, shadows, and other strange being will start hunting me down. You know that should be the plot of P6. The theme of tampering with forbidden knowledge, and how it can bite one in the ass.

>>378433551
The Japanese one yeah, Dan Woren(Igor's English voice for 3 and 4) is still alive and kicking

I'm pretty sure when the real Igor came back in the Jap dub they still use parts of the old Japanese VA's voice.

>>378431810
>evangelion

No anon, that's DeSu2

>>378433551
The US VA went back to being a union actor. The JP VA died.

>>378433767
>The US VA went back to being a union actor.
fucking gay

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>>378433757
mfw

>>378433551
Igor's JP VA died so they reused old recordings for the handful of lines he has the Japanese audio. The P3/4 English one is still alive and doing perfectly well, but they still replaced him with a new guy for whatever reason.

>>378433624
Just sharing the name doesn't mean anything, please, use your head a bit and actually read some of this stuff. P5's Yaldie is nowhere near the same kind of being, they have absolutely no similarities aside from the name. Also Yahweh has absolutely nothing to do with the Demiurge and doesn't even exist in Gnosticism.

>>378432470
None of the Ialdaboath designs are particularly great except the NINE

Every time I see Demiurge I'm reminded that the original Devil Summoner still isn't translated though, so it can just fuck off.

>>378433942
>Komaeda is voiced by Shinji's VA
>Ryoji and Kaoru VA is the same person
>mfw

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>>378434037
ONe day anon.

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>>378434131
P3 HAS AN "ORIGINAL" STORY P4 IS LITERALLY JOJO P4 DONT YOU SEE ANON????

>>378431850
There are a few plot elements from 2 in 5. The Collective Unconsciousness is probably the biggest one.

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>>378431850

>The game between gods who try to bring the best/worse of human nature
>the whole popularity of the Phantom Thiefs is pretty close to the whole rumors thing in P2
>the serial killer is a teenage abused by his father

>>378433964
> they have absolutely no similarities aside from the name
>Constantly referred to as a false god
>wants to control people and make them obey him but as Ryuji pointed out he is not omnipotent and simply overbearing
>Uses the 7 deadly sins
Come now, it need not be a simple carbon copy but there are similarities

>Also Yahweh has absolutely nothing to do with the Demiurge
>Not knowing Gnostics and Christians loathed each other for worshiping the other's malevolent being
TOP KEK.

>>378434212
P3 has a shitty story desu

>>378427967
>>378428503

>literally not knowing jack shit about about the butterfly or persona as a whole

Do.. do we tell them they're retarded?

>>378432470

P5 Yaldabaoth is a god created from the insecurity of mankind.

The Demiurge from SMT is the REAL deal

>>378434564
play the game, buddy

>>378434564
No, send a demon to eat his mother. He or she will feel really bad.

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>>378434564
It's okay anon, don't be too harsh on the p5 babies.

>>378434564
The butterfly during the intro to P5 is confirmed to be Lavenza, though.
The butterflies in P3 and 4 are Phily but the different species should tip you off.

>>378424863
Who?

He was watching over u the whole time as a magical butterfly

>>378434779
>The butterfly during the intro to P5 is confirmed to be Lavenza
And the one at the end of the game is Philly. It's a different butterfly.

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Just face it, Joker is so baller Phil just sat back and said "nah you got this kid" and watched him slam dunk the demiurge.

>>378434441
Half the shit you bring up isn't even the case for most common interpretations of the Demiurge or P5's Yaldabaoth so you pretty obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

>Constantly referred to as a false god
Actual Demiurge is as real as a god can be, calling him a fake is absolutely retarded. P5 Yaldabaoth isn't really a god at all, he's entirely reliant on humanity and his existence is pretty feeble.

>wants to control people and make them obey him but as Ryuji pointed out he is not omnipotent and simply overbearing
Actual Demiurge is very much so omnipotent and controlling, he created humanity solely to stroke his own ego after being kicked out by the other gods. Yaldabaoth on the other hand is a slave of humanity, he is controlling but for entirely different reasons, they are pretty much polar opposites in their motivations.

>Uses the 7 deadly sins
Nine, not seven. The whole Seven Deadly Sins thing is a very Christian concept and not used in the game. Yaldabaoth's entire game is laid out to confront humanity with their sins by showcasing them through the Phantom Thieves actions to see if it would cause a change in humanity's collective unconsciousness, the Demiurge merely uses them to tie down humanity and restrict their progress. Again it's quite literally stances that are directly opposite of one another.

>Not knowing Gnostics and Christians loathed each other for worshiping the other's malevolent being
If you want to go that route you can quite literally equate 99% of mythological beings and gods with the modern Christian definition of Satan. It's a retarded way to look at it.

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>tfw I discover Jun was gay years later

I always thought he only wanted his most dearest friend back and just to chill out

>>378435308
Both are a false god in the sense that they claim to be omnipotent but are not. Actual Gnostic depictions of Demiurge shows him to be a very powerful being but not the God.

>he created humanity solely to stroke his own ego after being kicked out by the other gods
Literally no branches of Gnosticism said this. The more common view is that Sophia made a grave mistake by creating him and he in turn created (or shaped) the material world with no knowledge of his mother, thinking he is a god. I wouldn't disagree with your interpretations of P5's Yaldabaoth but both their motivations are in alignment in terms of control.

>Yaldabaoth's entire game is laid out to confront humanity with their sins by showcasing them through the Phantom Thieves actions to see if it would cause a change in humanity's collective unconsciousness
IIRC he too wanted to control and restrain humanity using the sins as an excuse.

>It's a retarded way to look at it.
No nigga, gnostics and christians are literally each other's heretics. Before Christianity became the religion it is known now with the bible and shit, gnostics walked among Christians, talking about their version of YWHW and Jesus Christ that is antithetical to the Christian version. Gnosticism was a name given by Christians against these perceived non-believers and heretics who were so much like them (Gnostics would call themselves the REAL Christians).

Read the Nag Hammdi library

>>378431940
She's also a woman seeking a partner who is not the protagonist, date various men and which life doesn't resolve around you.

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>>378436912
impossible, DELETE DIS. you mean she's not my waifu????? reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>378434396
Also Makoto/Sae being somewhat analogous to Tatsuya/Katsuya, Ann being a shittier version of Lisa (pretty foreign, or "foreign" in Ann's case, girl that everyone thinks is a giant slut and gets involved in the entertainment industry). Even minor shit like having plot relevant events occur at a TV station.

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>>378430234
>Tatsuya is gay they say
LOL

>>378437440
Who is the Baofu?

>>378437692
Futaba

>>378437792
baofu > futaba
baofu is my waifu the original hacker waifu

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>>378431256
>Nyarly as well was retconned out and now it's flaming meme man instead of the shadow of humanity.
This STILL pisses me off. His personality and methods were straight up ripped from Nyarly.

>>378437520
If Persona 5 is a rip-off of Persona 2, then is Akira canonically gay?

>>378438316
>Akira

you guys don't get it, Philemon IS the Velvet Room now

we are also Philemon because every time the Velvet Room fucks off the game ends

>>378436912
>a woman seeking a partner who is not the protagonist
>implying maya didn't tap that on the regular

>>378438772
But i have thought we are persona ?

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>>378438785
We are talking about Ulala, also Maya is for Katsuya.

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>>378438876
implying tatsuya didn't cuck him

>>378438772
wow thats's so deep really makes me think.jpg

>>378439090
Maya and Tatsuya is literally non canon by definition since she chose to move on with her life.

Lisafags and Junfags still have a chance, though.

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>>378439165
prove me wrong protip you can't

>>378438876
Pierced boy at least had two girls on his dick.

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>>378438785
Ulala was female Yosuke. She's not actually gay, she just has a chip on her shoulder and a huge inferiority complex towards Maya that makes her SEEM really, really, really gay

>>378439312
Yeah, but at the same time you can´t prove me wrong.

>>378439386
>Maki (Canon)
>Ellie (One side love)
>Yukiko (Into the reporter)
>That one blonde bitch no one likes who's married
>?

>>378439432
I never got any lesbian vibe from Ulala, and Persona 2 had some lesbian stuff (Yukki/Anna/Noriko stuff)

>>378439598
>ooo-la-la

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>>378439598
Ulala is not gay. She just acts exactly like a sterotypical psycho dyke would act.

Turns out she's just a psycho

>>378431558
That doesn't make sense. Belladona and Nameless were in 1 and 2. According to that, there should have been different people in the room since the cast were different.

I always assumed that when Nyalry got flung to the end of the Universe, Philmon chose to fling himself out there as well. Since you can't really continue your little wager if you aren't together.

So Phil and Nyarly are just on a galactic road trip, fucking around with other civilizations they come across while waiting to come back to Earth

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the current team is capable of doing girls who don't want protag dick.

>>378439773
Urara being an aggressive man-hunter is one of her most prominent character traits isn't it?

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>>378432331
>tfw eng yaldy is motherfucking grigori

>>378436912
P5 has Sae who people keep complaining about not being romanceable, I guess.

>>378440004
Straight Atlus, Hashino left. So who knows what they will do with P6.

>>378433681
This.

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>>378439773
>Turns out she's just a psycho
Please to be deleting this slander. Ulala is simply a lonely girl who feels inferior to her friend and wants someone to love her.

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>>378424863
>Get bored and decide to make up a plot for a Persona game
>Time Travel will be the theme of the game
>Really turn the whole friendship and bond themes on their head when everyone has to get their memories taken because time travel
>Conflict would've been caused by a bet bewtween two gods
>mfw I finally played P2

Oh....shit, I wrote P2 by accident almost 20 year after it was made.

people act like the inconsistencies started with 3 but in 2, philemon feels like a different character from how he is in 1. he also was just some middle aged guy in a mask in 1 and in 2, i guess his appearance is a reflection on who is looking at him?

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>>378441461
>i guess his appearance is a reflection on who is looking at him?
ya don't say

>>378440110
That's rather retarded unsupported head-canon, anon.
Philemon and Nyarlathotep are both creations of humanitys' psyche, Philemon being their collective uncoscious and Nyarly being humanitys' collective Shadow (repressed undesireable aspects of one's self)
How and why do you think an aspect of humans' psyche "flings itself into space to fuck with aliens" Jesus that's retarded
They weren't even "warring", they just made a bet and extrapolated the internal struggle of a man onto the world effectively letting humans decide their fate with their beliefs.
Which is why Tatsuya smashes Phil's face.

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>tfw like the concept of crossovers with the other games and don't give a fuck

He just didn't give a fuck I guess