How could they get it so right with the demo and fuck it

Mother Base was a mistake. MGS was better when solo infiltration meant solo infiltration and you weren't strapping balloons to unconscious soldiers.

It was the Open World meme that Kojima bought into.

It didn't feel like a main series MGS at all. MGS4 and 5 are total opposites

>>378382929
Best gameplay, worst story and pacing. Motherbase stuff wasn't very fun, but the actual missions were great.

This mission felt more MGS than anything that happened in phantom pain, it's not even because you are playing as the real Big Boss, it was a smaller mission area than concentratedon completing objectives instead of kidnapping soldiers

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It should have been more linear with Hitman-sized sandbox levels.

>>378382929
Koima nearly bankrupted Konami while trying to finish his pet project. I know it's cool to hate konami but they had to shut his butt down, or everyone would lose their job.

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>>378382929
Better have your discussion before caramel shows up

>>378383087
i was all for a motherbase to customize and make your own but the grinding resources and shit was stupid. would have been better if the game was big gz style levels and you just found some optional macguffins that kaz sold and that let you personalize your base for fun instead fultoning everything that wasn't nailed down and grinding diamonds.

i wish the entire game was osp for items and you just brought home whatever weapons you favored that kaz and gand could reverse engineer and make better for you instead of grinding 9 zillion diamonds for a gun with +0.5 better recoil.

>>378383087
Thank you. This is why I hated Peace Walker and V. I miss when MGS wasn't a shitty micromanaging game alongside some stealth mechanics if you feel like it.

>>378383787
I imagine if it was just for making the game it would have cost less, but they created an entirely new game engine to run it. I feel like Konami is shitting out MG Survive to try and squeeze out a few more dollars from the fox engine

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>>378383787
The Fox engine is so fucking good though. Runs on fucking toasters while still running gorgeous games. Konami should just license it to other developers for a modest fee, but knowing them they'd never ever do that, and if they did they'd charge a ridiculous fucking stupid price expecting anyone to actually want to pay enormous sums to use an unfamiliar engine. They clearly have no creative force left in the company to utilize it properly.

>>378383868
Would have been better if they just let you pay in game money to upgrade your base instead of resources. It was too much of a pain to get enough fuel later on.

fox engine in the worse of it all, nice tech caught in the middle of an e-divorce that will be relegated to graphics for pachinko machines

>>378382929
because the demo was actually finished, for one.

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>>378384252
>Runs on fucking toasters

You have a strange definition of toasters.

>>378384283
resources were easy because you just repeat that one mission (hellbound i think it was but i heard they nerfed later) and steal everything from the bunker where huey was and the airpot in africa over and over. the worst part was waiting for the processing into actually usable materials. literally 90% or more of motherbase crap could have easily been straight up unlockables.

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>Tfw no Fox engine Snake Eater remake

>>378383087
Did you really want to play the same game again?

>>378384548
Dude, this "minimum requirements" shit hasn't been even remotely relevant for over a fucking decade. You can run MGSV on a fucking i3-6300 with 4GB of RAM and a GTX 760 with zero fucking issues.

That being said, your stupid piece of trash sample image states the "recommended requirements" for GPU power as a fucking GTX 760. That's NOTHING.

>>378384548
>"""requires"""" an i7

lol GZ reqs were so vastly over inflated

>>378384548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gl-eiTyiVk

>>378384548
>Recommended: GTX 760
Do you have any idea how ridiculously weak a 760 is compared to the current hardware? Even mid tier components smoke it like yesterday's garbage.

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>>378384683
Literally could have been perfect. Fuck Konami.

>>378384683
Snake Eater still looks great today. MGS2 does too. A remake would be a waste of resources.

>>378384548
That means nothing.

>>378382929

Quantity over quality. The demo/prologue was a small slice but god damn was it design to perfection. If the final game had been a fifth in size but better designed it would have been a masterpiece.

>>378384813
That's fucking incredible. I wish we had engines like this back when I just had a crappy laptop. An average intel IGP is more powerful than a GT 610, lol.

>>378384749
>>378384850
Still not toasters. For me a toaster is a PC with integrated graphics.

>>378384726
No, I wanted to play something good. And I got neither.

>>378384948
Story would still be bad. I heard a rumor that Kojima, being the fucking westaboo he is, saw Mad Max and decided to cut out a lot of voiced lines to try to imitate it. I don't find it hard to believe it's true.

>>378385003
If you expect to run any current AAA game on Integrated Graphics, your a fucking retard

>gz side ops
>fun

>mgsv side ops
>fulton thing or bow up thing 6 times

>>378385003
see
>>378384813
Any modern intel chip's integrated graphics processor is far stronger than a fucking GT 610. 610's are literally just throughput devices to plug in several displays and nothing else.

>>378384726
Yeah actually I would

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

>>378384252
>The Fox engine is so fucking good though. Runs on fucking toasters while still running gorgeous games.
Is it, though? What other engines are you comparing it to? It's easy to render large areas when they're barren and completely devoid of anything. Also copypasted vegetation and rocks aren't exactly impressive.
From what I've read, they had to severely tone down all of the versions to make it run on x360/Ps3.
I just don't see how it's a great engine compared to, say, Rockstar's RAGE engine, which looks much better with less compromises. I think the fox engine got memed into prominence because game engines are rarely discussed when it comes to japanese games, and the waps don't know any better.

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>>378385003
Suck my dick. Choke on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOsRskGjAM

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>>378385208
>Constant 32+ FPS on shitty integrated graphics

Impressive, snake.

>>378384548
>>378385003
Pajeet, please kill yourself for making these posts

TPP should have been more like GZ in terms of map structure. Basically multiple sand box environments like HITMAN instead of one large collective map.

GZ itself is one of the best sandbox stealth games on the market. Various mission types in one 400m map ranging from assassinations, rail shooters, and weapons sabotage were all great.

>>378385321
Exactly, but instead we get stupid big ass Afghanistan with nothing but the occasional guard post

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>>378385208
Well that's impressive.

Kojima wanted to add more but konami rushed him, also it was unfinished on purpose as part of a grand ruse and he totally still works for konami but before he releases the real mgs5 he'll release death stranding which is actually silent hills, just wait until e3

>>378385449
The only missions that really felt awesome for how big the area was to work in was Phantom Limbs, Where do the Bees Sleep, Hellbound, Pitch Dark, Devil's House, and Code Talker.

They're all layered with a beginning, middle, and end when it came to the overall map exploration as well as mission structure. Creating this gigantic detailed mansion in Africa just for one main mission where it's in the basement by the rear entrance where 90% of it goes unexplored felt wasted. So many more missions could have been added to it with some ingenuity. As with many other locations in the game.

>>378384252
What games use the fox engine? The reason this game runs well is because it was made for incredibly weak consoles. Every location is barren or separated by large open spaces.

>>378385816
MGSV games, PES and the panchiko machines

>>378385816
PES
MGSV
P.T
MGSurvive

>>378383353
4 didn't either. 4 felt like a shitty parody of the first 3.

My take on this whole saga is that GZ was great because they managed to make a relatively small map pretty replayable.

Rather than give us 5-6 good vistas like the Costa Rican base in GZ, we got a sprawling, empty open world with maybe 3 areas that even kind of resemble the base in GZ in scope and design, and everything else sucked.

The gameplay itself was great. It's just that the level design was so shit that the myriad of cool gameplay options at your disposal become mostly meaningless because you have to force yourself to find ways to use them rather than the level design naturally making you figure out when and where to use all the abilities.

What is it about MGS that provokes such a love-hate relationship? I personally enjoy every game in the series but everyone else seems to pick a favorite and shit on the rest or shit on all of them but still be obsessed with the series. No one ever gives the writing any praise and yet everyone quotes it all the fucking time.

>>378386243

The writing has some good themes, but the execution is hit or miss. There is a lot of cringeworthy material in MGS games, which is part of the appeal, but also a big reason people calling it " amazing writing " get laughed at.

>>378386243
The only people who hate it are the ones who came up with crazy fanfiction based on the trailers and got mad because the game wasn't what they imagined.

>>378382929
>>378382929
Kojima hemoriged to much money more than his value

>>378386243
That's 4chan/the internet in a nutshell.

You are only allowed to enjoy one thing at a time and it has to be the most "patrician" one, or else you lose cool guy points.

>>378385296
Paki, please stop pretending to be better than those indian subhumans.

>>378386370
I hate MGSV becauss its game design is hideously bloated and wasteful compared to GZ

Its story was actually ok, but unfinished.

Snake... had a hard life.

>>378382929
I don't understand you.

*Summons Caramel*

>>378382929
I've been a MGS fan for 18 Years and this one made me so sad that instead of a great story we just got a semi decent story that just cuts off 90% of the way through the game
I can still enjoy it if i just go into a mission wanting to complete it without focusing on MB as i've already made it as good as possible

>>378384548
Runs great on my laptop

>>378382929
I had fun with MGSV

>>378388386
We all had fun but no one got a story or a real hard core MGS mission like we wanted