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Which MMO should I play in 2017? Just quit WoW after being bored

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Which MMO should I play in 2017?

Just quit WoW after being bored to death after 8 years

Is ff14 good?
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It's probably the best theme park mmo on the market right now.
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Play the trial.
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It's shit
Fuck commiefornia
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>2.5 gcd
>community is either casual as fuck or autistic catgirls
>1-2-3 combo gameplay
nope
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>>378364718
I don't know what you'd be looking for. It plays like WOW just a little differently.

It won't be refreshing and new by any means. I'd suggest trying other mmos or quitting all together. You're not going to get what you like since everything is p2w garbage.
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>>378364718

It's shit but you may enjoy it.
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>>378364718
Well it's the best after WoW, but it's not that great.
Having to play through 3 days (if you skip all dialogue) of main story fetch quests on level 50 just to be able to finally level from 50 to 60 sucks dick, and you'll have to do the same again at 60 if you want to play Stormblood. Don't know if Heavensward has even more main story quests than ARR. Anyways, the way gear progression works in FFXIV is pretty boring in my opinion, and i don't like their philosophy of designing bosses in such a way that if someone fucks up they just die. It's punishing, yeah, but in WoW a healer can pop a CD and help a player that made a mistake survive. You can do some improvise "oh shit" things in that game. In FFXIV encounters are very much a coreographed dance you have to do 100% properly. Not a fan of that but if you're okay with it you might have a good time.
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>>378364993
Will there ever be a good fantasy sandbox MMO ever again?

I just wanna live a fantasy life with some friends.
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>>378364718
If you have absolutely no desire for any form of PvP and want to follow a sorta neat storyline for a thousand hours, it's a good game for you. Keep in mind that in order to access Heavensward or the upcoming Stormblood content, you will have to complete the main story quests up to those points. This may take you a long time.

It does look good, it plays smoothly, and it has a ton of things to do to occupy your autism. I'd say give the trial a go, I guess.
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>>378365425
thats how asians work, they have no improvisation or creativity so any deviation confuses them
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>>378364718
Before 50 it's a bit weak, kinda an extended tutorial.
The game gets way better once you start digging into the post 50 stuff.
If you hate past final fantasies, and/or like to skip story/cutscenes, you shouldn't be looking at final fantasies in the first place.
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>>378364718
Try EvE online, one of the last true MMOs left.

In WoW you could pretty much just space out and do all content solo, without guild or social interaction. LFR & group search tool just tilt player interaction.

In EvE you still need a team, some friends or at least a buddy to feel save.
You relie on other people to help you out.
Its a game with high risks and high rewards.
You allways feel on edge if you're in PvP or even PvE, because in low/null.security space or wormholes everyone can come and gank you.

Player interaction is forced.
You need an Alliance, and Alliances need Capsuleers to guide their territory.

Its a huge change if you come from WoW!
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>>378365592
No.

They're not profitable because they end up only being fun for the 1% of the community who got in day one and manipulated the system to their advantage, making the experience unplayable for everyone who comes after.

You know, like real life.
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>>378365425
What
If you make a mistake you should die
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>>378366128
The ones making mistakes are always dragoons anyway, so they deserve to die.
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Dofus is raising from the dead thanks to a massive server merge. It's probably the only good time to jump into the bandwagon, if you like turn based RPGs like Disgaea or FF Tactics
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>>378365425
As someone who just finished a friend's MSQ for money this is bullshit. I did all of the 50 MSQ in one day. Granted it was a full neet day, same with Heavensward leveling MSQ then 60. These boosts should only be for alts and people who login like an hour a week.
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>>378365425
>if someone fucks up they just die.
>It's punishing, yeah, but in WoW a healer can pop a CD and help a player that made a mistake survive.
Whoa dude playing the game is not fun. Dying in a video games? COME ON, IT'S 2017! You should be able to stand in aoe all the time and just press 1-2-3 combo.
Holy fucking shit i feel insulted just to know that i share this board with people like you. Fucking kill yourself braindead blizzdrone
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>>378366248
t. MNK
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>>378366287
The guy is semi right though. In XIV raiding like 99% of attacks are 1 shot kills, even the fast firing and seemingly trivial ones. The only reason XIV is considered hard is because the 8 player dynamic means that if 1 single person dies then its practically a wipe which is a bit excessive.
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GW2 has more engaging combat that this snorefest
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>>378366380
All I'm saying is that if you know a boss continuously casts aoes at your feet, you should be careful about locking yourself into a jump animation for a couple seconds.

I main DRK anyway, because I'm an edgy faggot.
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OK gonna play FF14

Dragoon, Ninja, Dark Knight

Which one?

Or should I wait to play Red Mage?

Those are all my favorite classes from FF series
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>>378365425
>>378366287
I played XIV for a while and I agree that the gear and fights are kinda boring. When almost every boss fight boils down to "stay out of the orange circles" it stops being interesting. There were still some cool bosses and I did have fun for a few months but it couldn't keep my attention very well once I cleared whatever new shit there was.

Oh, and somehow they managed to make gathering/crafting even worse than most MMOs.
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>>378364718
It's the best one that isn't WoW right now. However expect it to be casual and not very PvP heavy, because it is.
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>>378366616
Wait for Red Mage, all those other jobs are about to get fucked.
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>>378366616
WAR
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>>378366640
Savage doesn't have orange circles.
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>>378366640
>fights are kinda boring. When almost every boss fight boils down to "stay out of the orange circles" it stops being interesting.
Try doing something more advanced than leveling dungeons.
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>>378366504
Have you read his post? He hasn't even finished Haevensward. What raids are you talking about? He probably meant normal mode trials or dungeons.
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>>378366616
You can't play Dark Knight until you reach Heavensward content which means getting through all the Real Reborn story quests first. I forget about Ninja, never tried it.

Dragoon is reasonable, just try not to be a dumbass like 75% of them. I would also suggest trying a WAR or PLD since tanks have absurdly short dungeon queues.
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where. are. the. leaks.
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>>378366616
DRG is solid. Don't be a mouth breather who jumps all willy-nilly and eats AoEs. NIN is good if you don't live on the east coast. DRK is a tank, if that's your thing.
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>>378366640
Even easy EX Primals like Sophia don't have orange circles on most shit.
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>>378366829
OK

Should I worry about fucking up as Dragoon when I used to be in a top 100 world guild as a Rogue during Vanilla and BC?
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>>378366794
Well hes right about raiding though regardless. The dungeons dont seem too punishing.
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>>378364718
>Which MMO should I play in 2017?
Don't.
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>>378364718
>>Just quit WoW after being bored to death after 8 years

How the fuck can you play something that bored you for years? I get you just keep hoping it will get better but I can't stomach that shit for more than a few disappointing patches worth of content.

I played FFXIV from 2.2 to 2.55. When I realized they were never going to improve any of the core mechanics I just gave up on hoping. Had everything to 60, was rich as fuck, the most accomplished fisherman on my server, did Final Coil before lockout was removed. Just wasn't worth it knowing the game wasn't evolving to suit my tastes; It was just getting worse.
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>>378366932
Until you reach raiding content, you don't have to really worry about much. Just don't stand in the fucking orange circles and try to be credit to team.
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>>378367054
>to 2.55
>Had everything to 60
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>>378367054

...you mean you had everything to 50 since that's what the cap was back then?
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>>378364718
if you're burned out from wow you're not going to like this one
it's a good game in all respects but it doesn't really do anything particularly new with the genre
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>>378367140
Fuck I meant 50.
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>>378366287
>You should be able to stand in aoe all the time and just press 1-2-3 combo

Never said that anything like that.
If you think it's good design that pretty much everything in FFXIV one shots you're dumb. I like dynamic encounters, i like it when something unexpected happens and someone else can intercept and save the person, i like that team dynamic. I never said someone should be able to just stand in easily avoidable AoE all the time and not be killed. I just think that those unexpected bumps in damage and other things that happen are more exciting if you can power through it together than if the person just dies and you have to wipe the raid because you won't be able to do X dps check that is tuned so precisely that even healers have to go all out DPS on it. It's not fun. It's like solving a math problem. You do the exact same thing over and over again until you perfect it with no deviation. Might as well just play a single player game in which i'm the only factor
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>>378366908

Leaks of what?
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If I wanna play healer in XIV what do I play as?

So scholar's getting nerfed into the ground?

Just leveling CNJ up.
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>>378367361
AST
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TESO with the morrowind expansion coming out next week, I strongly recommend it over Final Fantasy.
Honestly find it scary how many people here on /v/ enjoy grinding in their mmo's
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>>378367361
AST will remain relevant because he's a buff bitch
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>>378367254
Stormblood skills. We got a DRK skill, a SAM skill, and one of the AST stances, and then nothing else except I think some translated versions of WAR skills we already saw in the LL in Japanese.

I want the rest of the DRK skill leaks so that WAR/DRK shitposting can finally get taken to the next level.
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>>378367226
The problem is that if almost nothing one shot in XIV then there would be no challenge since theres so much time between moves healers could easily recover it all.
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>>378366924
>>378366773
>>378366771
Nigga I know that, it's still "Stay out of the AoE or get one shot"
Shit gets boring when that's every fucking fight
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>>378367361
You play erp mage until HW then switch to AST.
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>>378367521
I know that, hence why i'm criticizing the entire philosophy of their boss designs and not just the damage. You can't just change numbers and it'd be fine.
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>>378367054
That's fine, the game's mechanics improve from expansion to expansion, but the core will never change since ARR found the success 1.0 failed to even graze. It would probably require some sort of development like losing a high percentage of subs over an expansion to actually make them change direction in an attempt to bring people back.

It's wise to realize the core doesn't appeal to you and won't change, and thus leave.

>>378367226
>>378367524
Not everything kills you in one hit, the game has a LOT of one hit kill mechanics, but A. not every death is unrecoverable, and B. not every mistake instantly leads to death. It's disingenuous to imply literally everything kills you for every tiny mistake, healers are not an entirely static class, they expend a lot of MP based on the mistakes of DPS/tanks that isn't revives.
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>>378367452
What is good about TSO? I heard it was a dead game
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>>378364718
it's happening
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>>378367631
You're close than you think.
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>>378367631
that's bullshit but i believe you anyway
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>>378364718
>MMO
>2017
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>>378366932
>Should I worry about fucking up as Dragoon when I used to be in a top 100 world guild as a Rogue during Vanilla and BC?
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>>378367631
Bullshit without some more tooltip images
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>>378367524
I stand in aoe all the time and don't always die, you only need to know what kill and what doesn't.
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>>378366640
>Crafting
>Worse than most MMOs
More fun than WoW's "press button to make" bullshit. Gathering I'll agree is cotton field picking. However crafting is way more fun than WoW's auto creation crap.
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>>378367631
>Deleting your post to make it look more authentic

Solid
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>>378367856
You wouldnt know this but positioning used to matter in WoW
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>Hi there my wife's son commissioned this art of my wife's character and her bull and I felt I had to share it.
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>>378366932
Dragoon has a very static rotation. The only "difficulty" comes from optimizing your DPS in off-gcd tweaks.
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>>378367513
What were the skills leaked? I cant find anything in the archive
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>>378368039
if you were in a top 100 guild you wouldn't be asking such retard tier questions
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>>378366380
>>378366380
>he doesn't know about his imminent cuckolding
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>>378368005
I don't really understand when people just do a driveby shitpost complaining about FFXIV's crafting without voicing any specific complaints about it.

The fact that it's more or less actually its own game that you have to learn with just as many abilities as any combat class kind of automatically places it above crafting in pretty much any other MMO I've tried.

I could get if the complaints were about something like "Rath's Rotation" nearly making anything else obsolete, but I wouldn't shit on the entire crafting system in general just because of one unbalanced oversight.
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how is RP on FFXIV?

for wow there's a sizeable community and you can keep away from all the degenerate shit thanks to elwynn acting as a quarantine
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>>378368290
Yes, yes. We'll throw you our scraps so you can get a little damage done when we're forced to group with you.
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>>378368384
my only complaint is the necessity of leveling every crafter and that in the endgame you really just follow a set rotation (I can't really confirm this)
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>>378368453
Only unofficial servers, that have some dedicated roleplayers, but there is A LOT of degeneracy.
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>>378368290
Meta will be nin/brd/red/sam I'm afraid.
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>>378368656
>red
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>>378368287
-800 potency aoe for sam on 2 min cooldown
-AST diurnal stance gives 15% healing potency boost , no casting speed boost.
-Delirium no longer debuff int, instead increase blood weapon duration and blood weapon effect duration ( whatever that means ).

Maybe some other anon can post the pictures, I didn't bother to save them.
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>>378368460
yes, it must truly be horrifying for you to play with beings vastly higher intelligence
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>>378368259
Supposedly:

DRK's Delirium is a 2m cooldown instead of a combo attack. Restores MP, extends Blood Weapon by 8s, extends "Blood Weapon effects" by 16s. (No information on what Blood Weapon 'effects' are)

AST's Diurnal Sect loses the 5% attack speed buff, and instead gets a 15% buff to healing.

SAM has an AOE OGCD with some weeb name that does 800 potency in a line, and might have had AoE falloff like Flare/Holy (I actually just don't remember if it did or not).
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>>378368453
Be ready for a whole lot of 14-year old Naruto RPers who insist on spamming chat with cringey weeb bullshit when all you wanna do is dodge some fucking orange circles.

My blacklist is fucking massive, and is about 80% drooling weeb fuckstains.
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>>378368724
meant for >>378368259
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>>378368656
>trust me guise i'm platinum.txt
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>>378368453
Don't know about RP community but in terms of RP potential FFXIV blows everything else out of the water due to how dynamically player characters can interact with each other. For example the simple fact that if you target something your character actually turns its head and looks at that thing. Makes conversations in the game more fun because it feels as though you can do some body language and mimic beyond just emotes (For example, looking away while thinking, then turning your head again and what not)
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>>378366504
Not even close to true since the first tier. Mistakes were much more recoverable in the last 2 tiers of the raid
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>>378368778
Those leaks were fake. Had grammatical errors.
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>>378366908

Red Mage uses FFXI Bar actions. That is all i know.
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>>378366908
Only seen maybe 3 skill tool tips so far. I should check sentai.
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>>378368453
A japanese game with cat girls that attracts bottom of the barrel anime nerds. What do you think the RP is like?
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>>378368983
Yeah cause those never happen in this game
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>>378368081
FOUR DIGIT UPVOTES

LINK FOR COMMS
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>>378368983
That was my first thought too but the Twitter reaction from the brown-nosing Reddit staff turned me around.

And "The text is fucked up" doesn't really mean that it's fake anyway. DRK's Sole Survivor skill on release was worded in such a way that made it sound like you placed it on allies who were about to die, rather than enemies.
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>>378364718
>Is ff14 good?
no
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>>378364718
>Is ff14 good?
Yes
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>>378367686
It's an mmo, all enemies scale to your level. Instead your character grows by leveling up attributes (health, magicka and stamina) and unlocking combat/crafting/non-combat skills and unlocking passives. Once you max out your level (level 55?) you unlock champion point system, which is more passives you can control how much it benefits. Main roles are dps/healer/tank with now 5 classes but they are very flexible relatively (your healer can dps half the time and tank can buff and debuff your team and enemies.
Also factions based for pvp, there's an open world hub pvp with deployable siege weapons to de-emphasize player versus player meta. In general you can avoid min-maxing unless you wanna highscore your endgame content (no benefit to it but bragging rights).
I have no real numbers on players but I play on xbone and it's big enough for me really. Base game is 8.99 USD so I reccomend you try it as a cheaper alternative for paying more money for subscriptions.
Also eso is buy to play, there is a subscription model but you hardly need it, at all
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>>378364718
>Is ff14 good?
maybe
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>>378364718
>Is ff14 good?
maybe
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>>378369143
>The leaks are all real
>But they specifically leaked the tooltips where the text was wrong
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>>378368938
Teach me how to erp west coast san
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>>378368743
Haven't played with anyone like that even once. It's impossible to find anyone more intelligent than myself. You have fun with the dregs pleb.
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I forgot to mention there are no cooldowns to USING abilities, next expansion Morrowind will emphasis mana-management since your skills with cost mana from their respective sources. Instead some effects will have cooldowns before they can happen again but that is not with most skills
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>>378369404
You think a leaker would make such careless typos?
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>>378368743
>yes, it must truly be horrifying for you to play with beings vastly higher intelligence
You may want to reconstruct this sentence before you start assaulting anybody's intelligence.
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I'll be mad if the faggots posting spoilers were posting real spoilers, I want them killed.
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>>378369557
Are you confused or something? The people who leak and the people who write the tooltips are not the same people
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>>378369432
*takes off pants*
"uwaaa whants this???"
*sucks dick*
"gobblegogebble"
"you are all loobed up n ready to spaggeti kanako-san"
Now the character receiving sits down on the bed while the other character proceeds to sit up and down on top of the receiving character since it has some semblance of fucking if you try to visualize it really hard.
And they are both futas.
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>>378369630
>caring about the plot of a fucking MMO
literally why
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>>378366380
>>378368290
>>378368460
>>378368743
>>378369572
>mfw monkbull
>tfw lording over all these peasants who can't even open their first chakra
>tfw abilities directly powered by the tears of aforementioned cucks
>tfw the eagerness to go home and fornicate with their wives after the raid intensifies
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>>378369630
but no one could know at this point the spoilers for story.
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>>378369814
shut it monkey, make way for the real Job
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>>378364718
>Is ff14 good?
I don't know
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>>378369706
All im saying is that a typo is not indicative of being fake. Devs make typos all the time before launch and go back to fix them.
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>>378368384
My main complaint is that now not only do we have to level every craft to get the most out of crafting, the specialization system artificially limits what we're allowed to make. In turn, that means we have to completely level all crafts on alts as well to cover all our bases.
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>>378369982
The ultimate irony is that SAM will have so much DPS that it will be the new meta for other jobs to buff it solely.
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>>378369432
you're the expert now
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>>378364718
>Is ff14 good?
Can you repeat the question?
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So FF14 is worse than Elder Scrolls online?
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>>378370390
>worse than Elder Scrolls online?
I can't think of many things worse than online Skyrim with a hot bar.
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>>378364718

It's WoW with a cleaner coat of paint
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Why are healers such prissy fucks
>Sohm Al hard
>PLD (me) SCH BLM BRD
>SCH is your typical netflix healer
>out of curiosity I ask what it's like to pay $15 a month to do nothing
>starts bitching at me
>final boss, she goes exclusively cleric out of spite
>"you wanna see me do something? hope eos can heal you:)"
>I'm a PLD so of course I'm fine the whole time
>fastest kill I've had in a while
>before leaving she says "that's what you get, next time respect your healer" like I died or was even in any trouble
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>>378370113
My ass was on fire with butthurt over specialist-only crafts when they first introduced them, but I really don't think it's a bad thing at all now that we've seen that specialists only get to have their monopoly on those recipes for one major patch.

The problem (IMO anyway) was never that you'd only be able to make 3/8 classes worth of recipes per character, but ratherthat if specialist recipes stayed locked forever, eventually you'd end up with outdated recipes that are needlessly expensive and hard to find because demand is too low and the supply of specialists making them would be nearly nonexistent.

In the end I think it worked out for the best, crafting was actually really good from 3.2 to 3.4 (kinda dropped the ball in 3.5, but just in a "what recipes belong at the end of an expansion anyway" sort of way).

I think Specializations should automatically unlock every cross-class from every other class, while you're on the Specialist, though.
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>>378370378
I want spear to fuck off, such an useless card.
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Wait until 2027 to see if the green unfucks itself
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>>378370487
Lesson learned, bitch at your healers even more than usual. It gets things done.
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So you dont need to make a new character to change classes?
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>>378370487
>be a cunt to healer when the run was progressing fine
>wonder why somebody gets upset

It's a fucking casual dungeon run and you're behaving like it's Alex Savage, grow up lol
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>>378370591
No. You only need one character.
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>>378370090
That's what I was saying too, though. Heavensward had a number of tooltip typos that actually made it to launch, so there being grammatical errors in one of the leaked ones doesn't really automatically mean it's fake.

I'd say that the biggest reason to doubt them is that the English versions of the tooltips had that bright yellow font color, which I don't think we saw in any of the Japanese tooltips during the live letter. But I still lean more toward them being real than fake.
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>>378370487
Why are the tanks such prissy fucks
>precast or use instant cast on a trash pack because my buffs are running out
>pull aggro
>tanks sits down and makes three of us tank it
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>>378370591
You can do everything on a single character.
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>>378370689
Cool because I am 19 with a lancer and it is boring as fuck

When can I change to Dark Knight?
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>>378370487
Sch that don't dps might as well just leave and let us keep the fairy.
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>>378370735
As soon as you get to heavensward at 50
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>>378369982
oh no that poor tree
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>>378370735
You're a long way away from DRK senpai. Also the ability pacing at low levels is garbage for most classes, so get used to it.
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>>378370654
It's not about being a cunt, I just wanted to know what it's like on the other side, to get into a casual's head.
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>>378370735
>When can I change to Dark Knight
Strap in for the long haul big guy.
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>>378370735
DRK, MCH, and AST are all HW jobs. To unlock them you have to go to Ishgard, and to go to Ishgard you have to clear all of the 2.xx missions. Of course, that means you're going to have to be Lv50 in something else and geared up enough.
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>>378370735
Low level rotations blow ass, wait until at least 50+ when you have your jobskills. The only one that I can think of that's tolerable at low level is BRD
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>>378364718
Why are dps always so angry at each other?
Healers and tanks seem to just chill and be cool with each other, but dps constantly REEEE about other dps
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>>378370832
Yeah i'm sure you did

That's why you asked in the most passive aggresive bitch way possible

I'd have more respect for you if you'd simply gone 'hey SCH can you try to use Cleric Stance and damage more to make the run a bit quicker please!' but you had to be a snarky beta nu-male and passively aggresively say 'oh i woooooooonder what it could pooooosibly be like to be a player who doesn't take this suuuuuper serious Sohm Al Trash Clear run seriously, not saying anything of course! Just curious bro ;) xD!
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>>378370735
AT 50 after you slog through the forced MSQ quests and dugeons/primals/steps of faith. What you should do is switch to GLA to unlock PLD to prepare yourself for dark knight.
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>>378370487
I find these things are a lot easier if you never say anything.
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>>378370984
>Healers and tanks seem to just chill and be cool with each other,
LOL
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>>378370735
>When can I change to Dark Knight?
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>>378370983
Don't forget MNK.
Getting your full rotation at like level 8 and only going faster and faster after that is something that should happen for every job really.
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>>378370984
>Healers and tanks seem to just chill and be cool with each other
That's where you are wrong, buddy. In fact, every role bitches about each other and makes fun of WHM/PLD/MNK respectively.
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>>378370993
Imagine being this triggered.
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is the music in this game added by soken playing different instruments and hiring singers occasionally?
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>>378371186
I think it's all from a computer program.
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>>378371241
sounds great if thats the case
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I'm convinced at this point only the biggest faggots got to go to the media events because we haven't got shit for information
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>>378371186
it's all done in software, except for the singing in the primal themes
like there was a question during one of the anniversary broadcasts asking if the chorus in the ultima theme meant anything, and it was just a plugin and soken thought it sounded cool
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>>378371150
Oh look it's not an argument
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>Don't like WAR's hulkamania
>DRK are edgelords and their sword is too fucking big
>PLD has dem aesthetics but the class was designed to be intentionally unfun as a joke

Why are tanks so shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ForHMX-xs

Still my favorite
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>>378371410
Lower level DRK swords have a more reasonable size and there is literally nothing wrong about being an edgelord.
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>>378371358
sounds authentic, I would have guessed its people playing instruments and recording each part, but that would takes much longer.
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>>378371410

Don't worry, they won't be adding any to the game anymore
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>>378371186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LIw6Vnt2MI

Best part of the Fanfest.
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>>378364718
If it took you 8 years to realize WoW is shit, I think XIV would be great for you.

Please all stay in your containment games.
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>>378371410
>>Don't like WAR's hulkamania
How gay can u be
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Can't you level up characters to a certain level free? I tried to login to my account but it said it's not valid or something and I need to go to the mognet shit. there it's just where I can buy a sub.

the website for this game seems so fucking outdated
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>>378371338
What more is there to share? We already might have heard about the bulk of what 4.0 will bring at launch. It's just crafting and gathering and world stuff but who cares about that?
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>>378371410
Use the low level claymores or skofnung, the skills still look edgy, you can make a decent crusader glam.
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>>378371410
DRK is great if you embrace the edge like you're supposed to. Imagine yourself as Batman with a greatsword, that's basically all DRK is, glorified vigilantes.
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>>378370514
It should work on shit that is already on cooldown.
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>>378371493
this. I made my drk a landschneckt wielding a flamberge and all the edgy drks make fun of me.
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>>378371618

no concrete details were given about any healer, drk. We know 'of' new elements like black blood and healing lilies, but have zero details besides that
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>>378371410
Gotta embrace the edge.
https://my.mixtape.moe/zzucik.webm
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Nice b8 m8 your (You) has arrived nevertheless. If I were you I would take up TESO or Black Desert.
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>>378368656
>SAM

Sure thing bub
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>>378371595
lv 35 is the cap for all available jobs mines HW/SB
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>>378369723

Sounds pretty hot desu
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>>378371883
>Cgi
no please why FUCK
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>>378370487
>Talkin with FC about healers
>Say that the best healers are the ones that go above and beyond their duty
>I.e, doing some damage instead of sitting around with their thumb up their asses looking at HP bars
>FC healers immediately scramble in and try to say 'Why don't you make tanks and dps heal too if you want them to pull double duty!"
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>>378372218
Hirasawa's music makes that scene better than the animation should allow it to be.
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>>378371410
I'm on the same boat, WAR and DRK are fun to play but not the kind of tank I was looking for. I really like the idea of Holy Knights but PLD is so boring and weak compared to the other two, it's the only tank I don't have at 60.
If 4.0 really fixes PLD (or at least makes it more enjoyable to play) I will definitively drop the other two and focus on PLD. If not, DRK's i270 anima looks "holy" enough, at least.
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>>378372231
>>378370487
You fags keep telling these stories about healers refusing to DPS. Is this seriously a thing? Or is it just isolated instances. I guess after 7 years of having healers that can DPS, it seems natural to me. How is this a thing now?
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>>378372231
>>378370487
I want to kick lazy healers in the groin
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>>378372231
>use clemency
>df healer has a break down and cry about how I don't trust them
wew
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I hope there'll be a countdown like with Heavensward. The artworks were neat.
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>wipe on floor 13 of deep dungeon twice in a row
No this is not efficient mindless boring leveling
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>>378372427
Honestly speaking, it's a bit of column A, little bit of column b. There are healers I've seen that do wonderfully in at least chipping in to attack, even if they don't cleric stance.

But yes, there are still some healers who just don't dps and think that being asked to dps means pull out the same damage as the group's BLM.
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>>378372367
What is holy about a purple light saber?
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>>378372529
me in the middle
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Jesus christ, what's up with those horrible quests when you hit 50. I'm about to do Shiva right now and I'm losing patience.

I want to cut Tataru's throat with a fucking butter knife, fuck Alphinaud you pathetic trap faggot always waiting you in god forsaken places that takes centuries to get to. Fuck
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Where's my frilly dress armor Square?
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>>378372717
Yeah those quests suck, questing in general gets much better once you reach HW, but until then it's fetch quests and tedium since the dev team apparently thought 'how long it takes' is what people were looking for.
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>>378372840
Gordias caster gear
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>>378372717
All the scions "die" before you get to the expansion and only Tataru and Alphinaud are left. Hope you can get used to them since they're not going anywhere.
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>>378372840
In the trash where it frickin belongs
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>>378364718
MMOs are literally the succubus of motivation and sexual energy. Pick games that end or fast ones you can set down if you care about your life.
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>>378372231
>healer's doing dps
>double duty
wew
More like doing more than a quarter of a duty.
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>>378372717
Alphinaud mans up a tiny bit more later on. He creeps Y'Shtola out by commenting on her naked body.
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>>378372543
Apparently they will do a countdown with community-made screenshots (on twitter). Not sure if we will get artworks this time.

>>378372662
The purple one is i275. The i270 version have a golden aura.
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>>378364718
Black Desert or Classic WOW, that's it
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>>378372586
Wait until you wipe when you're close to the boss. It's discouraging, to say the least.
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>>378372717
I liked desu, a lot of walking around, but moogles, sylphs and sahagins had to do something at some point.
Shiva is when the story really progress though, you're done with the boring parts.
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>>378372427

I've definitely run into healers that don't seem to dps much at all, I don't say anything because I just don't want to hear their bitching, but it can be annoying when the two dps aren't performing that well either. I parse here and there so I definitely know when a healer isn't doing shit.

I just don't understand how someone could find it fun to sit around for 5-10 seconds not doing anything.
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>>378372949
Pretty sure that's why WHM heals for so much, so they have more cleric uptime, but nobody understands that
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Just a reminder to always glamour the canon warrior of light outfit after the 3.5 quests if you want to have complete immersion in the game.
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>>378372997
Which face is this? 4 ? how rare
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>>378372997
I'd like thinner DRK swords that are also glowy and shit.
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>>378373014
>korean grindfest or the mmo you just left
?
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>>378372949
And yet that's what gets thrown at me, even when I say just throwing a few token stones/aeros/bio series/whatever is fine enough,
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>>378373157
I'm not wearing your awful outfit fuck off tataru.
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>>378373157
The scion gear was surprisingly good actually.
The midget secretary is not bad at tailoring.
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>>378373157
The shoes look too big in-game. I'm wearing the top though.
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>Get WAR to 50
>Realize it's just kinda fucking boring
>Get PLD to 45 because SB made them look cool, but can't take how dull they are anymore
>Now am leveling a DRG

I'm never going to see Heavensward content

help
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>>378373331
Unless you REALLY care about getting to the new expansion content right away, to partake in raiding or whatever the hell gets your almonds roasting, just do what is fun for now and enjoy your ride.
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>>378369294
>a level scaling MMO
lol
ESO is trash
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>>378373157
desu I think the outfit is shit. Am I going to a high end school now or something?
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>>378373331
I know exactly what you mean, I've been there.
But you just have to bite the bullet and pick one class you'd like.
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>>378373331
You sound like you're having fun, anon.
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>>378370984
>Healers and tanks seem to just chill and be cool with each other
So are you just being stupid on purpose?
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>>378373157
Fuck off Tataru.
I want some actual armor, not a fuccboi uniform.
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>>378373209
MMOs aren't supposed to be queue simulators
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>>378373290
It's weird that all shoes have to have heels or dumb elevator soles, even when you're barefoot.
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>>378373682
It's so that your character is the same height and your legs are the same length at all times and don't vary based on what you have equipped.
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>>378373331
All tanks are boring and so is drg.
Play nin or blm.
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>>378370984
>Healers and tanks seem to just chill
I've seen a tank throw a huge hissy fit at one of the dps because of his own bad pull and kick him out.
I've seen Healers that throw hissy fits if you call them out on not dpsing.
all roles have their shitters.
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>>378373157
The chest piece is only bearable with the eikon gloves for casters and monk
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>>378368938
not our fault you live in a shit country
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>>378364993
>>378365230
>>378365592
You guys need some EVE in your life. Fastest gameplay on the MMO market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGYxkSz7HFI
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>King Moggle Mog in roulette
>what are these people doing
>is this some hip new burn strat
>they all DPS the king and we get fucking rekt by Memento Moogle
Fucking wow
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>>378374019
that looks more like doing math you fucking nerd
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>>378374019
Eve isn't an MMO it's an economy simulator for /biz/fags
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>was a cat girl for a long time
>new set of faggots now making cat girls sluts
>get raped every fucking time I head to town
>change to a Roe male
>get raped by faggots

Can I pick a race where I wont get raped?
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>>378374107
It's worse when they actually dps the adds but you still wipe.
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>>378374217
Hyur or Elezen
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>>378374019
Eh, I used to play EvE a long time ago.
Had enough of alarmclocking at 4AM because timers had to be defended.
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>>378374217
Transfer servers.
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What MMO should I play? I have never played an MMO before.
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>>378374430
FF14's free trial.
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>>378374217
Tell them to go away. If they continue blacklist? Not difficult.
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>>378374159
>>378374215
>he can't go 3800m/s
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>>378374358
gilga use to be fun
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>>378374107
>King Moogle Mog
>force Memento Moogle three times in a row solo as a tank
>vote abandon
>You have entered a sanctuary.

>>378374217
Maybe there's something about you that's extremely rapeable, ever thought about changing that?
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>>378374159
There is a lot more it than just "doing math". Eve technically is a game about spaceships, but it is as close of an analog to a working, living economy that we may ever see in a long, long time. There are a ridiculous number of analogs to the real world. Unlike games like Diablo III where you go hunt big bad monsters and just hope they "drop" epic, expe.. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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>>378374486
>force Memento Moogle three times in a row solo as a tank
Hilarious
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>Been playing DRK for most of Heavensward
>Like WAR just as much and hope PLD gets buffed
>All this apparent hating on DRK as of recent

Glad I leveled all to 60 and will do the same in Stormblood.
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>>378374486
wtf dps
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>>378364718
The last MMO I played was Runescape back when it was still relevant and good.
Any recommendations?
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>>378374217
Female midlander or elezen, erpers are not attracted to you.
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>FFXIV
>good
Enjoying your literal 2 dungeons, 1 primal boss, and piss boring LFR with each new content update? That amount of content would be fun if the combat system wasn't generic MMO garbage.
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>play on a server with this guy name hardware hank
>dude is autistic as they come always on shout spouting stupid memes
>gets banned like 2 times
>Know that he will get perma ban soon
>he goes at it again spouting about special snowflakes and spouting stupid memes
>report him for harassment
>gets perma banned
>his faggot friends get on crying about it
>laugh inside knowing I got his cuck ass banned.

I find it funny when asshats shout online about getting banned and shit.
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So healers and tanks got fucked over in SB how is SE gonna deal with people like me who mained healer but is swapping to dps cause my job was gutted in favor of cross role.
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>>378374217
you cant be raped in a game where you can literally stonewall someone with a blacklist
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>>378371358
I was really disappointed about that, to be honest. Same with the "latin chanting" in Calamity Unbound. I was really hoping they would be meaningful lyrics, but oh well.
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>>378374646
FF14's free trial.
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>>378374741
But FFXIV gets content patches regularly, on a set schedule on a pace far more regular than WoW or any other competitor.
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>>378374696
nice try, i'm always on the hunt for middies and elezen
elezen are never into it though ;-;
but middies are total sluts
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>>378374915
t. athya darklight
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>>378374924
The initial rush will entirely be DPS, but people will eventually go back to other roles and stabilize the queues, though DPS will probably stay pretty much worse than it is now.

At launch though, that's gonna be fucking hell for DPS players unless you are playing an existing class and rushing 60-70 to stay ahead of the literal wave of shit that'll be comprised of RDM/SAM. Hell it might actually be better if you stay ahead of that curve due to more DPS players swapping than tanks/healers.
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>>378375074
I'm not a slut, I only want to feel loved ok
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>>378375074
You're one of those fucking faggots that whispered my giraffe on Balmung when I made an alt there to see if it was really that bad. And thanks to you and yours, it really was.
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>>378375095
>implying memers aren't cringe as hell and shouldn't be purged by any means, up to and including being "offended"
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>>378375095
nothing like banning the real faggots of the game amirite?
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>>378375153
>Hell it might actually be better if you stay ahead of that curve due to more DPS players swapping than tanks/healers.

Assuming RDM/SAM attracts mostly DPS to level 50-60 before starting Stormblood, it would be good for DPS going straight into SB.
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>>378375260
i'm not on balmung. also i'm more subtle than that

>>378375241
/pet
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>>378375016
WoW is a piece of shit too.

The only reason to play XIV is ERP. Might as well play Elder Scrolls Online if you want an actual engaging combat system in an MMO and an interesting open world.

Also, raiding is a mid-2000 relic. MMOs need to fucking stop doing this shit.
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>>378375287
they are the worse. Join FB groups for ffxiv and you see them all the time about how they got banned and how everyone is a special snowflake..shit is cringy as fuck
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>>378375095
funny thing about his ban is that people who he though were friends were sick of his stupid shit also. So they reported him also. How can a person can be hated so much?
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>>378375394
Ultros?
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>Just say fuck it and do AIS farm with all tanks
>Runs are faster than with multiple dps
what is wrong with this playerbase
>>
>>378371808
I did my best to make mine look like something that could have come out of dark souls. Essentially using mostly very low level gear as glamour, lominsan claymore, simple shit.
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>>378375796
no, sorry
>>
Reminder with Stormblood barely 18 days off, make sure you have enough room on your hard drive. With ARR, Heavensward, and Stormblood installed, your folder size will rise up from 24.1GB to over 60GB! Just imagine in a few years when we have several more expansions. If you need help finding space, there's a program called SpaceSniffer. It sniffs out the really big files on your computer and organizes them in a way for you to see the biggest ones. I've already found a ton of sneaky culprits I can safely delete. Already up to 121 GB so far saved.


You can find it here - https://www.fosshub.com/SpaceSniffer.html

It's freeware and I use it personally. You do not have to pay for anything. Remember to open it as Admin. Also you have options like Disk Cleanup and CCleaner. If you use an Nvidia Graphics card, there's a decently sized folder already on your hard drive full of semi-useless things that can safely be deleted.
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>>378376051
Gonna have to move XIV off my SSD
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>>378376051
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Is my DRK swag?
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>>378376213
I want a thin DRK weapon like that but with sparklies and shit.
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>>378376213
The helmet doesn't really fit but I'll give you a pass nonetheless.
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>>378376051
>You can find it here
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>>378376292
>but with sparklies

why. all glowing weapons do is make you look like an obnoxious fairy
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>>378376319
I know, I need to find something more simple.
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>>378375396
I still had a lot of fun raiding in ff.

But I agree, this game has no content. Started in time to catch up, clear Midas and have creator come out right after, but then I had to quit.
The two dungeons are terrible, not even fun for the first time, just like the shitty 24 man 'raids'. Primals are just a single not very hard boss and get old extremely fast.
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>>378376051
sure is alot of advertising in ffxiv threads
i'm cool with people not shilling other mmos though since i found mudfish via these threads
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>>378376458
It's the closest thing to a crusader helmet, I used to for a while too.
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>>378376415
I like glowy weapons. And if I was insane enough, I'd be on that relic hunt for them. There's bad sparklies and good ones though. Or maybe just more thin DRK weapons. All the later ones are just so fat.
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>>378376641
>the WoL will never get a long, peaceful story arc about starting a small farm with a significant other next to a small, secluded village, away from the battlefield and the burdens of a Hero because it'd be such a boring game to play
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>>378374608
>metallic dye on cloth gear
Wow, please die.
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>>378376539
>genuinely helpful advice
>advertising
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>>378376051
Proof it's going to be 60gb?
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>>378376539
you don pay my sub faggot
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>>378377014
Steam page.
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>>378377014
Stormblood spec. page.
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>>378368704

rdm gives physical attackers a 20s damage buff and themselves a magic damage buff

i see nin/sam/mch/rdm as meta, depending on sam's utility
>>
So we have no idea what day the embargo is up, huh? Just "Before June".
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>>378377186
>>378377196
Isn't HW like 40gb? It's what you need to install it, but the actual game is smaller.
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>>378377262
Can any monks tell me how much space is left in the cuckshed? We're going to have to fit Dragoons in there too.
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>>378377356
31st is agreeable
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>>378377262
Yes, I know. I was pointing out
>RED
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>>378377372
it might just be including ARR and HW automatically in how much space you need
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>>378377356
5k gil on 31st, 6pm Pacific. Was directly mentioned by a few streamers.
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>>378377463
I thought it was 6am.
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>>378376213
Should go here and take a Dark Souls screenshot.
Western Highlands
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>>378377443
it is cause they did that with HW
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>>378376928
>implying people wouldn't jump at the chance to let Aymeric plow their fields
>>378376935
There are a few pieces where it works. None of those are pictured, of course.
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>>378377506
Point being. Last fucking minute in May, might as well be 2PM so they can be like "HAH! SEE? TOLD YOU! END OF MAY. WE DIDN'T LIE OR DRINK YOUR SALTY ASS FUCKING TEARS OR CLICKS ON OUR WEBSITE FOR MAD MONEY IN WAITING! SEE!"
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>>378376051
60GB isn't how much space it's actually going to take, they've just listed that much as the specs to keep room for future updates. They don't want to have to update their system requirements again for a long time so this is just future proofing. Stormblood is not going to double the disc size of the game.
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>>378377372
Checking the install folder, it's 24.1GB.
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>>378372218
>>378372329
Honestly the cgi style is acceptable, but the frame-rate is definitely not. The music really keeps it together though
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>>378364718
I know a great, one. You'll love it!

It's called Second Job

That's right, you get ANOTHER job and this time you can use the currency to obtain REAL WORLD ITEMS

It's been out for a long time, start it up!
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>>378377620
I'm just going to be so fucking mad if they made us wait a month from that shitty story-only Live Letter to see the "combat system" Live Letter, then gave almost no skill information during that one either, just to say "wait a week and a half for the media embargo", and then it turns out that they're not letting people just give actual skill descriptions and values and are restricting them to "This is an AoE attack that you have to build up to use!"
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>tfw finally banned from the OF
I've been shitposting for like, a year straight, and it's calling some literal faggot out on his shit grammar that does me in.

It was fun while it lasted
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>>378374608
You can't level them all to 60 again you DUMMY
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>>378376051
what the devil??!?!?! i need succor!
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>>378369021

kek there's that I guess.

maybe if it were something like ivalice without the catgirl shit there'd be a slim chance of having a band of friends to run shit with IC
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>>378378245
Which post girl?
I'm surprised I'm still not banned for complaining about commiefornia.
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>>378378449
Miqo'te actually have some interesting lore. It's the players that shit them up.
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>>378376458
>Berserker's Scale Mail

lucky sob
I'm tired of farming for that shit. Hoping for a dyeable one in Stormblood
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>>378371410
tfw glamour drk with white armor and the basic padjali weapon since we're supposed to be champions of love and justice anyway
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It's upsetting how little ESO is mentioned. It's a super vast game with an insane amount of customization. Plus the combat is way more fun than Wow and F2F, I've played both for years.
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>>378371410
Balmung (the sword, not the server) is good for DRK
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>>378364718
>after 8 years
No they all suck.
Go outside.
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>>378376458
I don't know if you'd really have any luck finding a non-set helm that matches properly.
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I finally did it guys. Just in time to start the ride all over again. Hopefully 60-70 is shorter than 50-60.
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>>378378879
Do your DoH/L now.
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>>378378879
Can't wait for wave of potd zombies to start complaining that they can't grind their way to 70 via PotD.
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How will they ruin scholar?
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>>378379105
Make it so the fairy can't do 70% of the work.
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>>378379039
You can't?
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>>378379039
tfw actually looking forward to leveling up jobs via dungeons and quests in SB
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>>378379039
They have a new one coming though.
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>>378379186
It's already slow as hell from 50-60.
>>378379313
The first one didn't even come out until 3.3. You think a second one will be out at launch?
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>>378378469
The post I was pointing to was some incoherent babble about people complaining about gay characters

I got 10 days for this so I can only guess they had a look through my post history before they applied the ban.
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>>378379453
>You think a second one will be out at launch?
It's not in the list of super cool and awesome ''new'' Stormblood feature page so we can safely assume it won't be.
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>>378379454
Oh that IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR thread, i'll check it out.
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>>378378647
I only ran that dungeon once for the story quest and happened to get it. It's pretty fab. Need more somewhat realistic armors. With cloaks.
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>>378379453
No, I thought they indicated it would be later, but since all they have to do is plug assets into the existing mechanism it's not going to take three patches to come out. The zombies will be back in their cave by the end of the year.
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>>378373605
sounds like you need to compensate for something
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>>378364718
>Just quit wow
>Thinking about playing wow: anime edition

not v smart this one
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>>378379703
I don't think it's a matter of developing it, but timing it. They probably want people funneled through Stormblood content for a while before fucking back off into PotD.
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That feel when it's boring to have primarily tanks leveled but it's boring as fuck to level DPS
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i resubbed and finally hit 60 on FSH, do I bother trying to big fish or just wait it out till SB?
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Best emote.
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>>378364718
MMO is a shit genre
If you've played wow for years than MMOs are forever ruined for you
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>>378379896
What emote is this and how much did it cost you?
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>>378379019
>another 1000 hours of grinding ahead of me
Is DoH/L even worth it if I'm not a Jew? Only things I've seen are some outfits I'd rather not pay for.
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>>378379824
I used to play DRG but the dungeon queues were fucking murder.
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>>378379957
/adjustglasses, it's free
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>>378379640
>With cloaks.
*butts cloak
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>>378379957
/spectacles, free from Scholasticate quests.
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>>378379896
Best general.
>>>/xivg/
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>>378379805
Indeed. The first trip to 70 will be with regular quests and dungeons, but after 4.1 or so there will be a lot more people working on their secondary jobs. They already know people seem to prefer it to fate grind.
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>>378379454
>>378379587
With all the fucking community circlejerking around Haurchefant, not a single fucking person mentioned him in that thread?
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>>378379587
The OP got thoroughly BTFO in the second post, and since then, it's nothing but retards getting taken to school
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>>378379969
DoL unlocks treasure hunting, and DoH unlocks custom deliveries. It's worth leveling at least one of each kind to 60 just to unlock more content and clear annoying quest markers on your map.
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>>378379969
>>378380180
Crafter beast tribes too, and you don't need to level more than one job to do them.
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>>378379969
dol/doh is basically it's own game that requires like twice the time investment of the actual game

if it doesn't interest you you can comfortably ignore it, or just level a miner or botanist on the side for some quick cash
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Looking forward to all Koji's meme and hilarious translation of samurai's skills.
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>>378379703
PotD needs more roguelike elements to make it actually fun and not just "the grinding cave". Fewer floors but each one is larger, minibosses, shop rooms, secret rooms, etc. It should be like Binding of Isaac except with XIV group gameplay.
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>>378380054
Wait hold up, I have that emote and it doesn't do that. Does it change based on race/gender?
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>>378366262
I played this years ago and had fun, guess I'll check it out again if I can remember my logins.
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>>378380365
Yep. It's different for every race/gender combo.
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>>378380365
Yes.
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>>378379969
I like the outfits and repairing my own gear. The story quests aren't bad either. Using leves and beast tribe quests, I'd say you could go 1-50 in about 25 days of casual leveling. It's also a different kind of hotbar action, though I guess it's not for everyone.
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>>378380365
Like damn near every emote, of course it does.
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>>378380324

One thing I'd like to see are minibosses that get spawned from Luring traps, that lock the room they're in until they're defeated or everyone inside the room is KO'd. make them drop horde pieces
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>>378378423
Is this really a thing?

I feel like moving funds electronically is a great way to immediately get tracked down and thrown in jail
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>>378380324
They should add gimmicky floors.
Like a floor with no enemies but a shitload of explosive traps.
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>>378380315
Lots of NIN's skills are basically untranslated and I expect SAM will be the same.
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>>378380070
>fate grind
People still do this?
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>>378380324
Just straight up make it Darkest Dungeon.
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>>378364718
So /v/, what is your opinion on this Expansion's raids and trials? Did you like them more than ARR's? What would you want for SB?
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>>378380547
>Sneak Attack is actually Trick Attack
>Trick Attack is actually Sneak Attack
>Armor Crush is actually Aeolian Edge
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>>378380132
Actually the very first post in the thread brings him up
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>>378380324
The main thing that would make it not feel like shit for me is to have fewer enemies with more health that act like traditional dungeon mobs. PotD is a chore because everything dies so quickly you don't even get to do your rotation. I'm sure they did that to balance for a lack of healer but whatever, they can figure something out, like enemy damage changing based on party makeup.
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>>378380639
>armor crush doesn't crush armor
>dancing edge doesn't dance edges
>aeolian edge doesn't edge aeolian
Who named this shit?
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>>378380639
Aeolian literally means rising with the wind
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>>378380603
COIL > ALEX

FUCK U YOSHI
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>>378380639
Pretty sure that's not true. Just what people THINK the actions should be named based on their effects.
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>>378380763
Exactly. So it should be the one that refreshes Huton. And Armor Crush should be what lowers slashing resistance. NIN's skill names are a fucking mess.
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>>378380553
Not really outside gimmicky shit like relics, and good riddance to it.
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>>378380852
have you seen Aeolian's animation? It's basically riding a whirlwind up in the air
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>>378380928
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. I understand that Aeolian's animation is correct. The effect is not. Armor Crush should not be the ability that refreshes Huton. Aeolian Edge should be. Because of exactly the reasons you said. Armor Crush should instead be the skill that lowers slashing resistance.
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>>378381019
That sounds more like an issue with your autism than skill translations.
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>>378380928
huton is the wind-based ninjutsu tho, it doesn't make much sense for the wind-based attack to not interact with it
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>>378365230
People always rag on the 2.5 gcd but what they don't tell you about is all the moves you have to do in between the gcd.
Plus all of the boss fights are busy as fuck.
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>THEY CHANGED FRACTURE
>WAR WILL BE NERFED THEY SAID

DRK ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>378372427
I did a Sohm Al where the healer did 0 damage through the entire thing, didn't cleric once. It happens.
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>>378381154
Wtf is that real?
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>>378381154

makes more sense really. Fracture shouldn't have been a dot in the first place
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>>378381154
aw geez
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>>378381085
And what about Sneak Attack and Trick Attack? I'm sure you'll find a way to defend those two being very obviously switched.
>it's sneaky because they don't expect you to do it from the front! XD LMAO
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>>378365230
>People still moaning about GCD abilities and combos

Did anyone ever tell you morons not to judge an MMO's complexity until you hit endgame? GCD abilities literally make up half your skills, and the raid gameplay is far more involved than mashing your number keys.
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>>378381154
>give mini trick attack to war
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>>378381154
I think...I like this?
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>>378381154
>all these physical buffs coming out
melee/drg/mch/brd forever babey
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>>378381154
>mfw PLD is stuck in the cuckshed for another 3 years
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Anyone else feel that gaus barrel/wanderer's minuet would have been completely fine if they were damage buffs what required you to stand still? No cast times, auto-attacks still canceled, just turret mode without fumb gunwand or bowstaff tomfoolery. .

Looking forward to the overhaul desu
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>>378381154
>implying they didn't give Scourge and Goring Blade the same treatment
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>>378375570
reminds me of Azure Xanh of hyperion
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>>378381154
Is this real or fake?
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>>378381452
DRK*
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>>378381452
What does PLD have to do with it? Its either PLD/WAR or PLD/DRK.
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>>378380639
but they explained sneak attack in the story
something along the lines of people expecting rogues to stab them in the back, so the best sneak attack is to actually stab them in the face
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>>378381535
>DRK OT
>PLD OT
They'd have to change a lot to make PLD/DRK a comp with synergy.
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>>378367226
You must have had pretty shit gear, almost nothing is a one shot, either that or you keep getting killed by finishers and you're playing it off as normal attacks.
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>>378381592
Yeah, a one line explanation to protect your fuck up doesn't mean it isn't a fuck up.
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>>378381613
Why? They changed blood price entirely so its mostly based on whether grit is on or not.
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>mfw all these debuff won't actually stack
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>>378381535
This, DRK and WAR can duke it out for best tank dps, PLD will just continue being a brick wall of fuck you to every boss.
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>>378381318
They're not switched though? You can load up the Japanese client and check if you want.

Trick Attack in Japanese is だまし討ち which means "Deception".

Sneak Attack in Japanese is 不意打ち which is "Surprise Attack".
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>>378381154
The fact that its still a weaponskill annoys me.
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>>378381484
That's the fun part about leaks isn't it?
You just don't know.
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>>378381318
I think it's a reference to a glitch in FFXI that allowed you to use Sneak Attack from the front
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>>378381741
Then they're still fucking switched in Japanese. Those abilities are from FFXI. Sneak Attack was done from behind, and Trick Attack was meant to be done from behind the tank.
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>>378381721
>continue
PLD has never been a brick wall.
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>>378381721
Nobody gives a shit about mitigation. Its about damage done.
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>>378381768
Too OP if it wasn't.
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>>378381694
or if they actually thought it was a fuck up they could just, you know, change the skill name?
maybe koji just thought it was cute as a lore joke, or maybe even in the original Japanese text it's that
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>>378381957
>>378381768
What's the problem with it being Weaponskill?
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>>378381957
I think the issue is that weaponskills can't have long CDs
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>>378381814
It's fun if the leaks are believably real, which this Fracture one almost is.
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>>378382063

means you can't use it while Pacified, and its on GCD
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>>378382074
It could be a weaponskill that doesn't share a cooldown with other weaponskills, like Empyreal Arrow. Or it could still be in development, or it could be fake.
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>>378381696
Because both of them gain a lot by being the one actively tanking unless they begin to change that stuff, blood price is one thing but low blow resets on parry is a decent dps increase even if parry is dogshit. WAR will forever be the designated OT.
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>>378382137
you dont get pacified anymore
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>>378382063
It's on GCD.
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>>378382074
nah it's possible, the only thing that uses it currently tho is that one bard ability
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>>378381972
Japanese name is 不意打ち which is basically the same thing. Surprise Attack, Sucker Punch etc.
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>>378381837
So you're just butthurt that they changed what the abilities do from XI? They are still translated properly.
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>>378382137
Empyreal Arrow is also weaponskill and it doesn't share GCD with other weaponskill
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>>378382282

thats because thats Empyreal's special effect
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>>378382240
>>378382282
True, though it acts like an Ability.
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>>378382231
well fuck
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>>378382282
It's specified in its tooltip though
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>>378382390
yeah, trade off is berserk is weaker now and has a shorter cooldown.
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>>378380180
You can DoL unlock deliveries.
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>>378381421
No take my RDM please. I can still buff your physical damage!
>>
Dragons Dogma Online
>>
Dark Age of Camelot
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>>378382319
>>378382391
If recast is not of the same duration as GCD then it's not on GCD.
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>>378382207
You know they made low blow cross role and no longer resets right? Reprisal is changed too and cross role.
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>>378383164
No I didn't, maybe the comp will be reasonable this time afterall
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>>378367525
I wish I could make a lizard as cute as Nozomi.
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>>378381154

POST MORE FAGGOT
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>>378381154
Here's to another three years, boys!
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>finally got the A12S fists
>will be irrelevant in a few weeks anyway
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>nobody posts PLD's Goring Blade change yet

Oh boy you guys are in for a surprise.
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>>378383336
Is fatty wearing two bras?
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>>378383575
Post it faggot. >implying you know it
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>>378383336
Sorry, but adventurers can't be lard asses.
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>>378383575
It's nice to know you niggers are secret 4chan lovers.
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>>378383502
Pizza cutter fists will always be relevant.
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>>378383575
I bet it gives party member tanks Black Blood or Inner Beast meter, to make PLD truly indispensable as a boyslave.
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>>378383575

SO FUCKING POST IT FAGGOT
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>>378383336
Good thing you can't, she would drown in semen constantly
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>>378383681
>>378383765
>>378383815
>>378383850
Psyche! I actually don't know anything :^)
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>>378382558
It can also be used as much as 33% more during any given fight, and since it lines up with Infuriate now, that means your burst windows will be seeing better overall returns. That, plus the fact that you're no longer losing 2 GCDs per Berserk without Paean is a very good thing. Those 2 GCDs per Berserk add up!
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So will Dark Dance increase Tenacity by 20% now every minute?
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>>378384114
I think they'll just get rid of it since it was only ever useful to get Reprisal and Low Blow procs
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>>378384114
DRK looks like it's practically being remade from the ground up, I don't know what the fuck to expect. Some leaked tooltip says that Delirium is a cooldown now.
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>>378384114
Parry is still in the game it just won't be on gear. My gil is on them upping the parry %
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>>378384242
I thought they were only getting rid of Parry on tank gear? or is parry as a mechanic going away entirely too?
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>>378373157
I wear it while crafting
>>
MMOs in 2017: The general playerbase is sick of WoW but all of the other mmos are just wow clones with janky shit and less players. And it's been this way for nearly 10 years now.
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Midlanders are the biggest sluts.
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>>378384470
If demand for a better class of MMO really existed, it would happen. This is what people want.
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>>378381154

Wait a minute this wasn't on Yoshi's bars in the stream when he was playing Warrior...
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>They dont know about the change to Butchers Block

The rides gonna get crazy
>>
>DPS queue times

Holy shit what is wrong with his game no wonder everyone just does POTD
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>>378384470
It's all building up to Warcraft 4 which will sequel hook into WoW2.
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>>378384470
I'm not sick of WoW. I'm sick of the developers who make WoW and the stupid shit they do.
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>>378384598
Because it's fake
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>They didn't see the delirium change

Going to be swimming in edgebabby tears
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>>378384675
I know right, I really want to level MCH but it looks like I'm gonna have to stick with AST instead
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>>378370993
Kek this Netflix healer is spazzing out imagine playing a role with one job in 4 mans which is to keep the tank alive the role that directly benefits from another players skill and gear and still wanting to do the bare minimum it's like playing dps and not using AoE or tank and not turning mobs around yeah you can complete the instance but it would be suboptimal

The icing on the cake is they pay 15 a month for this
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>>378384856
We did actually see that one.
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>>378384856
We already did.
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>>378384470
Unfortunately the reality of how the internet and the games industry works prevents MMO's from evolving

Not our fault that the speed of light is bullshit
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>>378384598
Maybe fake?
Then again I don't remember seeing Unchained wasn't on the hotbar too and they mentioned that new skill shared a recast with Unchained.
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>>378376928
I'll take this with Lyse or Fordola
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>need to pop five CDs at the same time to get max damage on Jump and Spineshatter in HW
What the fuck is this design
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>>378364718
There's horrible input delay that these retard shills never seem to mention in these threads. It's so bad that enemy moves don't sync up with the animations on-screen- you have to watch the small castbars instead.
I raided throughout HW, had a 60 BRD, NIN, DRG, DRK, and every crafting class to 60 as well. I played it a hitlod and I can tell you that the input delay bugged me the entire time. It's a solid MMO other than that, but it's a huge drawback.

And no, it wasn't my internet. It's common knowledge.
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>>378385179
It used to be easy to do, last month.
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>>378385072
That was the button changed depending on the stance you're in, as it should have been in the first place.
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>>378364718
People only play it to masturbate to their character
Gameplay is shit
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>>378385495
I want to, but she has no ass.
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>>378385213
>this faggot again
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>>378385213
What you're describing isn't "input delay", it's that the effects of enemy moves execute the moment their cast finishes, rather than during the subsequent attack animation. So as long as you're out of an AoE indicator before the cast finishes, you can stand in the actual attack animation as much as you want. Why they chose to do it like that, I don't know. Shitty engine would be my guess.
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>literally only PLD's skill that use Oath gauge is Sheltron

Why is this allowed?
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>>378386250
Thats the only one we know of. Theres skills unseen for all jobs.
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>>378386250
What if shelltron uses the gauge but has no cool down?
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>>378385537
ERP
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>>378386328
I'm sure not seeing any here.
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>>378386402
I imagine that's the primary interaction, though hopefully not the only use of the meter, hoping there's some OT usage for it.

But as is, it would seem it's basically just a method of getting more shelltrons the more you're getting hit, and being able to stock 2 shelltrons if you want to.
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>>378385969
Probably because you can't do lengthy attack animations and insert the actual hit detection at an arbitrary point in the middle without pissing people off or turning everything into a dot. Some attacks already work like this, so it's clearly working as intended.
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>>378385179
6 if you count a potion or the heavy thrust buff.

It IS kinda gay when you put it that way
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>>378386509
All they have to do is start the animation before the cast finishes so that the damage coincides with the actual visual strike.
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>>378386637
Disembowel too but whatever, those can be up all the time.
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>>378384338
The mechanic stays, the stat is going away. I imagine Dark Dance gets bumped up to 50% at least. Possibly even all the way up to 100% which would actually make it really really powerful, to make up for the fact that DRK doesn't have an on-demand Sheltron/IB type mitigation skill.
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>>378386690
Except for the fact that a bunch of abilities either have no wind-up animation and execute quickly but rather give you a warning area showing you where they're coming out or already include a telegraphing animation as it is.
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How do you all handle levelling DPS jobs? The queue times are awful, and leves get exceptionally dull fast
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>>378387028
PotD. Before PotD, sucked it up. Found other things to do while waiting for queue.
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Please tell me they will do something to speed up 50-60 leveling when 4.0 comes out.

>12 dungeons, 4 trials, and 14 Guildhests between level 10 and 49
>5 dungeons and 2 trials between 50 and 60
>takes just as fucking forever anyways
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>>378387028
Beast tribe.
Fates while queing for leveling roulette
Big leve
Hunt marks while waiting for queue.
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>>378386508
WAR gets up to a 10% crit bonus from their Beast Gauge in Deliverance. PLD might get a similar passive buff the higher their SwO gauge gets.
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>>378386968
Exactly, have the wind-up take place while the warning area is still up.
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>>378387179
Yeah I was thinkin something like that, maybe a move that gives you MP for meter to use more Holy Spirit, whatever. Just something beyond 'lol Shelltron meter'
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I picked a catgirl as my first character. Did I fuck up and will everyone think of me as a weirdo?
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>>378387294
Not if you act normal.
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>>378387443
>implying people who willingly play miqo'te scum are capable of acting normal
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>>378387294
You are the majority
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>>378387028
>Daily roulette
>Beast tribe
>Hw hunts and marks
>Fate spam while in q for ur highest lvl dungeon

All for 51+ BTW as a wage cucking I get like w levels a day before and after work
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>>378387028
Seashell collecting leve on Costa del Sol from 1 to 35, then fate trains while waiting for leveling queues.
Or just PotD since it killed both fate trains and the reason to do combat leves at all.
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>>378387613
2 levels I meant
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>>378385718
whatever you say, nigger.
>>378385969
It is input delay. I press the button, the attack happens after a delay. That's input delay. Play a ninja and do the huton input, then do the early storyline mission in HW (I forget the name of it) where you have to follow a computer-controlled ninja character through a dungeon area. Watch HOW FAST the computer can input the ninja commands for Huton/Raiton/etc. It's night and day. You can't even begin to compete, because there's so much bullshit input delay in-game.
Google it. There's hundreds of threads on it. Here's a quote from one- "Some ISPs throttle FF14 because they think it's P2P traffic. Square created a thread on their forums so that they have ammo when trying to convince the ISPs to unthrottle it. This may be bypassable with a VPN."
Even Square admits it dude. Like I said earlier, the game itself is cool. The lag is not.
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>>378387812
>complaining about NPCs when they clearly follow a different ruleset
>doesn't understand that all oGCD skills have a 0.75 second animation window where you can't input another command immediately
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>>378387294
You and 70% of the playerbase.
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>>378387812
Yeah, you're the same faggot shitposter. Thanks for confirming.
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FUCK INPUT MEMES
LEAKS WHEN
EMBARGO LIFT WHEN
PRE-DOWNLOAD WHEN
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>>378388329
Literally never
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>>378388329
N
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>>378388329
V
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