Would this game be remembered more fondly if it wasn't so

Are you talking about DMC reboot?
Because i thought this image was from Donte's arcade mode from that Sony Smash game.

Would be remembered better if it wasn't titled Devil May Cry.

>>378332389
Yes its from DmC.

The pre-release attitude from the developer on top of it being up its own ass and wanting to be Devil May Cry while also wanting to be its own thing were issues in terms of non-gameplay. Gameplay was a huge problem until the definitive edition which did what it could to fix DMC from what I hear, but it still isn't as up to snuff as something like Devil May Cry 1, 3, and 4.

I wouldn't call it an outright bad game, at least not the PS4 version which is the only one I played, but a misguided and needlessly vindictive game that had people justifiably outraged.

>>378332731
Pretty good rundown, fellow. I was one of the ones who they were actively trying to shit on which lands this game squarely on my blacklist for all time. They literally went out of their way to alienate fans like me though so i assume they're willing to take responsibility for that. I'm willing to move on, too. Hopefully Anno is working on 5

>>378332203
That's the entire reason it's remembered.

>>378332648
People would just call it a DMC ripoff instead.

Nah. I played both versions and it's just not an entertaining game. If it wasn't for the DMC connection, it'd be as forgotten as the rest of Ninja theory's other games.

>>378333785
I liked Andy Serkis.

>>378333895
*In Enslaved

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>>378333370
This.

Nobody would have given a shit about this game if it didn't have "Devil May Cry" written on it and it would have been forgotten quickly, just like every other mediocre hack and slash games nobody cares about.

>>378332203
The game was very decent though, it's just that instead of 9-10/10 it was like 7-8/10.

For this game to be remembered more fondly, devs should've done what fanboys expected, not what they wanted to try.

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>>378334271

>okay we want to take this existing ip but none of the previous fanbase
It was flawed from the start

>>378332203
It'd be remembered more fondly if they didn't have the white wig scene. That scene was disrespectful in a distasteful way and is more or less the sole reason why everyone got pissed off.

If that weren't included there'd be more people who liked it, though it'd still be a mediocre game. But plain mediocrity is a big step up from the disrespectful shit that it is.

>>378335020
>It'd be remembered more fondly if they didn't have the white wig scene. That scene was disrespectful in a distasteful way and is more or less the sole reason why everyone got pissed off.

The proof the DMC fanbase has extreme levels of autism.

>>378335286
It's a bad scene and they handled it poorly. It deserves to be shit on. Deal with it.

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>>378335020
>the sole reason
I can hear your autism screaming in my ear

>>378335020
I will agree that the wig scene was disrespectful to the fans and made me roll my eyes so hard, I got a migrane. But please just shut the fuck up.

>>378335519
>>378335814
Go fuck yourself. Anyone who enjoyed the original DMC has every right to be disgusted at a scene like that. I'm not saying DmC is a terrible game because of it.

No it would have just been one of the average action games people don't really care about like one of the lesser God of War games of Castlevania.

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>>378336142
>the sole reason
Do you even understand what you're saying?

>>378333969
Enslaved made me hate him. That ending was obnoxious

>>378332203
"Would this game be good if it wasn't so bad?"

Yes, anon. If games are good, they aren't bad. You've cracked the code.

>>378336424
It's autistic to think the whole game is terrible for that scene, sure. At the same time, the hate is justified and I don't blame people for thinking that way.

>>378336484
The whole game was gonna be worse until they got Alex Garland in. There was going to be a bit at the beginning where there's a prisoner hanging, desperately shouting for help. And Monkey was going to kick him in the face until he fell. So Garland's like, what the fuck, why would anyone do that? To which Tameem says 'well, we're establishing early on that he's a badass!' At which point Garland tells him, quite rightly, that doesn't make him a badass, that makes him a fucking psychopath.

>>378334172
This game would be so much more fun if the Spanish joke vid, music and all, was the actual game we got

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>>378336142
I found it pathetically hilarious when in the end his hair turned white.

It renders moot the stupidity of the wig scene. Maybe that's one of the many slap on the wrist crapcom made during development?

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>>378335020
>the sole reason

> Fuck you
> Fuck you
> Fuck you
> Fuck you

10/10 writing.

>>378336729
I never said the hate wasn't justified you autistic retard. I'm saying that
>more or less the sole reason why everyone got pissed off.
is a retarded statement when plenty of shit existed that pissed off fans of the series
I don't know how retarded someone has to be to respond with
>>378336142
when nobody said anything that challenges
> Anyone who enjoyed the original DMC has every right to be disgusted at a scene like that.

This game is the best thing that happened that happened to dmc.

>>378335020
The white wig scene if it was a Platinum Game would have been regarded as TOP KEK as a in-joke about the series history

>>378332731
Pretty much. I've actually played the game, and it is pretty good. But the fact the developers went out of their way to be edgy and assholes toward the franchise and the fan base, it vastly took away from the game.

You'd think it would be common sense that if you're trying to sell stuff, you shouldn't spit in your customer's face regardless of the quality of your product. But I guess it's hard for folks to throw away their egos and concede to being good goy cucks even for money.

>>378337019
>is a retarded statement when plenty of shit existed that pissed off fans of the series
The overwhelming majority of fans' frustration is due to that scene. It's a reboot from a completely different dev, so getting pissed off at changes to the characters or mechanics would have been exclusive to a very small autistic group of people who can't tolerate change or understand the concept of a third party dev being hired to do a reboot. And if anything, the hatred would then be targeted at Capcom exclusively.

Rebooting is not the same as spitting on the original thing. But that scene spits on the original thing. So the hate on Ninja Theory and this game is founded on that scene, almost entirely.

>>378332203
Come to think of it, you do have a point.
Tameme's writing and characters are so cartoonishly edgy that they would make for a hilarious new IP with original characters; but even then, the problem lies in that Tameem takes himself too seriously and genuinely believes that he is able to do good writing.

>>378337525
>very small autistic group
feel free to check
>the people laughing at you using 'sole reason'
>/v/ archive with years of people criticizing DMC pre and post release
>years of people all over the internet criticizing DMC pre and post release
what's hilarious to me is that you weren't even self aware enough to realize how retarded it sounded to claim that the scene was the sole reason for people being pissed. You didn't even understand what people were calling you out for when you posted >>378336142
Stay delusional

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>>378337525
>Rebooting is not the same as spitting on the original thing. But that scene spits on the original thing. So the hate on Ninja Theory and this game is founded on that scene, almost entirely.

No its not. The majority of hate came from the reveal trailer where Donte looked like a crack addict and literally nothing they showed looked like DMC. They backpedaled a lot with the final game.

>>378336876
>Fornicateth thou

Fix;'d

>>378337982
>donte is a manlet
Everything makes sense now

>>378338215
>6'1

Huh? But that's above average!

>almost every website was trying to defend this

I thought it was some sort of joke or something. EVERYONE was pulling out the "entitlement" card. Fucking advanced shilling going on there.

Credit where it's due, blaming childhood meningitis for his amnesia was a good idea. Meningitis can be responsible for memory loss, especially in children. Plus, it's genuinely something I've never seen done before in a game, movie, whatever.

Fuck the rest of the game though.

>>378337891
You are a fucking retard. The majority of the hate is targeting Ninja Theory and the bitching about other things in the game are founded on that hate. The hate is founded on that scene. If that scene wasn't in the game, you wouldn't see ANY of the bitching and hatred we see now. You might see bitching and hatred at Capcom for giving it to a third party dev, and people who still argue that the game is mediocre, but it would be of a completely different nature of complaint then.

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>>378338437
I don't think it was shilling. I think journos defended DmC because the original Devil May Cry represented something they hated: Silly and childish fun.

DmC was a reboot they got behind because it was more edgy and mature. They saw it as a franchise that was trying to """""grow up""""".

It's not a bad game, certainly the best action game of that year(or did MGR came out the same year? i forgot) but it's not a good DMC game and Tameem is a retard.

One thing i can't defend though is people shitting on Dante after Vergil shoots the baby. Of fucking course he acts "edgy", Vergil ordered him to and Dante itself was shocked in that situation.

not in a million years

>>378338437
>the entitlement card
That's such an idiotic argument in general. No one was getting the game for free, Capcom is not our mom who lovingly gives us an allowance; these are products which are sold to consumers for full retail price, and if the consumers don't like the product, there is clearly something that went wrong and it might need to change.

But then again, videogame "journalists" are on a totally level of having their heads up their own asses.

>>378339304
Yeah, MGR came like a month later.

>>378332203
I don't understand how people can ask for dmc5 from E3 after this shit.

>>378338801
>The hate is founded on that scene. If that scene wasn't in the game, you wouldn't see ANY of the bitching and hatred we see now.

It was founded on the 2010 TGS reveal trailer you fucking retard. The backlash was so strong that Donte didn't even smoke in the final game.

>>378339304
it's because Dan does a total 180 from 'what the fuck is wrong with you' to 'lol dead baby, mirite?' The one time he could've shown some character growth that didn't involve him trying to get into Kat's pants and, wouldn't you know it, they fucked up.

>the credits literally flipped off everyone that bought the game
This entire game was made out of bad choices

>>378339210
Perfectly said.

>>378332203
Let's say I got the PS4 version for as cheap as possible...maybe $5. Is it worth it? Is the combat actually decent or is it brain dead easy? Does the PS4 version come with the vergil stuff?

But Kanye West is a genius.

so are you saying its a good game?

>>378340312
Yeah, the remaster comes with all the DLC. I mean, if you get it dirt cheap, maybe you'll have fun with it. I got the PS4 version off ebay for a couple of bucks, finished it in a day and didn't feel like I had fun at all. The Vergil stuff, I did in a single sitting. That's just me though, you might enjoy it more than I did, and I really hope you do.

>>378332203
If it was its own game and not apart of the devil may cry franchise, it would be perfect as its own hack n slash.

There was just so much lies and slander coming from ninja theory to devil may cry fans. I remember how they would block people who as legit questions tat weren't sucking their dick.

Tameme is a fucking joke.

>>378339467
No it wasn't, stop making shit up. Or are you part of the small autistic group of faggots I'm talking about?

S-S-Shakespearan.

>>378341227
No, he's pretty spot on. The hate started early on with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfXeUldLt4

Then in an interview Tameem sounded like a smug prick because capcom came to them to make the game.

>>378335020
>sole reason

So not the constant fuck you? Not the floaty mechanics? Not the "story" itself?

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>FUCK YOU
everyone at ninja theory needs to be shot just because of the writing in this game. the gameplay was honestly fine, but jesus fucking christ the writing.

>>378341662
Don't forget the lack of lock-on, the fact that your rank is based on damage done in a short timeframe, not the moves that make up the combo, the light/dark damage mechanic that made enemies a chore to fight...

>>378335020
Raiden's characterization in the entirety of MGR was disrespectful. But I guess when a game is made by Platinum and makes a character "CUH-RAY-ZEE" it's OK to shit on established characterization and lore, right?

DmC do did everything that MGR did, yet MGR is praised while DmC is vilified. Cognitive dissonance out the fucking ass.

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>>378341227
Sorry you're to underage to remembered, but the DmC hate started from day one.

People joking so hard about Tameem looking like Donte is probably what made them make the wig joke to begin with.

>>378341886
>post of a man who didn't listen to codec calls

You missed out.

>>378341536
It only started that early with autists. Tameem's response fueled that further. I guess you can say that his public responses are as problematic as that scene, I'll give you that.

>>378341662
I'm not saying those things wouldn't get hate anymore. But they'd get far less.

>>378342048
God he actually has a skunks ass on his head.

>>378342147
>they'd get far less

No, I still hate it for those "sole reasons".

SSShakespearean dialogue

>>378332203
No.

It wouldn't be remembered at all.

It was a poor hack n slash with zero depth, no lock-on, and zero skill.

That TamTam was up his own ass is the least of its problems.

To get away from autists calling autists autistic, how would everyone order the games in terms of overall quality?

For me, it's 3>4>1>2>DmC

>>378332203
I honestly never had a problem with DMC'S actual story. It was fucking stupid as shit and I would have loved it if only it wasn't taking itself absolutely seriously and thinking it was making a bold social commentary by rehashing They Live with capitalism demons.

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>>378342306
>They'd get far less
>No, because I still hate it

>>378342309
I GOT A BIGGER DICK

>>378342424
3>4>1>DmC>2

2 is hands down the worst game in the series in every respect, although lucia was better girl than whatever squirrel semen's name was

>>378342809
>>378342424
I get the feeling most people will agree with the 3>4>1 order, it's just a question of which game is more objectionable, DmC or 2

>>378342809
>squirrel semen

I completely forgot this was a thing

>>378342424
1>DmC=3>4>2

>>378342424
3=1>4>>2
3 and 1 are great for different reasons.

DmC didn't happen.

>>378336753
This
>we will never have a game about a bandito samurai cutting down the cartel with music by the Gypsy Kings

>>378335286
>>378335513

Nah I agree with this mentality. I wouldnt even buy DMC5 if it was ever made simply because of how poorly they treated the fans.

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Yes. The game wasn't nearly as bad as the Pre-Release shit storm.

People can gripe about it being unnecessary to reboot it but most of the shit it caught was because of how Shitty Ninja-Theory's PR were with the reception. I can say without a doubt in my head though that Vergil's Downfall was possibly the worst DLC I have ever had the chance to play, not only did it make Nu Vergil an even shittier character it managed to make the Lord's of Shadow DLC's that they ripped off look good by comparison.

>>378332203
No, ultimately the dumbed down gameplay is what killed it for most people. The enemies don't even attack if you don't move the controller.
What the fuck was capcom thinking, hiring the developers of heavenly sword to make a DMC game? It's a terrible fit.

>>378343023
And then there's this asshole...
>>378343015
Dessicated squirrel semen! That's what makes the magic!

>>378343015
I might actually replay DmC now, that game hit unprecedented levels of retarded hilarity sometimes

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>3 and 4 better than 1
How about "no"

>>378341227
The Interwebs was on an outrage at the first trailer. Then the shill reviewers went full defense mode the first days of release but was ultimately silenced by the disapproval of the players.

>>378343135
>The enemies don't even attack if you don't move the controller.
There's enough ammunition to use against DmC without needing to just make shit up.

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>>378342048
>Redo the character design
>Leave out the better looking psychological backstory they teased and turn him into a Jersey Shore Swaggot.
>"You just don't like him because he doesn't have White hair."

>>378343475
The enemies were a bit anemic on terms of attack.

>>378343405
All autism.

Thinking about it, the enemy designs were ahead of their time. It wasn't until Dark Souls 2 was released that we had a game containing a greater Big Dude In Armor-style enemy count.

>>378343828
I know you were trying to make a joke here and all, and haha, but please stop posting.

>>378343810
Complaints. Anon. Just because everyone is not a placated retard like you, doesn't mean everyone else is an autist.

>>378344278
Complaining that early in is autistic. It's a reboot so they are allowed to change things to their vision.

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>>378343383
>O rly?

Kill yourself, Alex.

Speaking of Ninja Theory, whatever happened to that Hellblade game they were working on? It completely fell off the radar.

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The most hilarious part of DmC is that by the end the whole reboot thing becomes completely redudant. Since the game tries to pull a "See? He BECAME Dante in the end!"

Its so dumb how they try to spin this as a fresh take AND origin story at the same time. I actually think the idea of Dante being a total piece of shit as a kid and then growing up to be less bitter isn't a bad idea; but then why introduce stuff like limbo and Donte being half angel in the first place? Also Donte's black hair is never fucking explained. He didn't dye it, because he has it as a kid. So its somehow linked to his demon powers? But Vergil is born with white hair? So Vergil is more demonic but by the end Donte is also more demonic? So it changed permanently to white? DmC is so weird because it seems to try fitting into the old canon (but not really) by the end.

FUCK YOU!

>>378344610
>Complaining that early in is autistic. It's a reboot so they are allowed to change things to their vision.

Go look at the dislike ratios on old DmC trailers and you'll see it's not just a few autistic people.

>>378345715
Still autism. What the fuck can you complain about at that point? Like I said, they were hired to reboot it so they are allowed to change things to their vision.

The wig scene is another story, and the shit that Tameem said. That's uncalled for.

>>378346145
>Still autism. What the fuck can you complain about at that point?

A Devil May Cry game from the makers of Heavenly Sword.

>>378342424
3 > 4 > 1 > 2 > shit > DmC

>>378346362
Complain to Capcom then.

>>378342424
3>4>1>2>>>>>>>>DmC

3=4 if 4 wasn't half a game.

>>378339448
kek
so that's where all those "donte vs raiden" pictures came from

>>378335020
>That scene was disrespectful in a distasteful way and is more or less the sole reason why everyone got pissed off.

People were pissed off about the game pretty much as soon as it was announced and the Dante redesign was shown.

4>3=DmC>>>1>2

All played within 2 years so no nostalgia bias or any other bias

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>>378335020
You are the reason the whole debacle was dumbed down to "Nerds didn't like black hair" those fucking gayme jurnalizsts did back then

DmC was better than Bayonetta.

>>378339210
That and I'm sure that many never even touched the original 4 games so looking at fans getting mad at DmC just think "It has Dante with swords and guns! What's the difference!"

The game was also easier so they can score some nerd cred without having to put up with much of that dreadful "gameplay"

>>378337525
>The overwhelming majority of fans' frustration is due to that scene.
You honestly think this?

>>378347526
Which is fine, but blaming NT for that is fucking retarded

>>378348225
>0/10
>Whyevenbother tier bait

>>378332203
This game would be forgotten two months after release if it wasn't titled "Devil May Cry". And frankly speaking, it would be better for publisher and developer.

>>378341886
ah, so you didn't listen to the codec calls. nice.

>>378332203
>having to pay to play as real Dante
>the white wig part cringe
>the "I'm Dante" part from the behind the scenes video from the credits

How humiliating...

>>378332203
NT knew it'd be forgettable because it already happened to them (Heavenly sword - God of War) so the only course of action is for them to hijack the franchise itself and shoot it up their own ass.

So yeah, if you want to know how it could've been just look at Heavenly sword

>>378343023
look guys I have a different opinion XDXDXD

>>378337186
>Pretty much. I've actually played the game, and it is pretty good.
Meh, it's worse than GoW or MGR so it makes it 5/10 at best on old scale.

Still, it could be remembered just like DMC2. Instead it's the one of the worst Capcom's moments and it's saying something.

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>>378335020
If they had included DMC3 Dante or Uncle Dante models instead of that annoying faggot, it would still be a mediocre and mid-tier action game.

>>378332203

OST and atmosphere was good, entry level combat enjoyable for people who have no interest in buying it in the first place funnily enough.

3 is still better and 4's depth will never be topped.

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>>378332203
Why did journalists so avidly defend DmC before its release and shit-talk DMC fans so much? I know the easy explanation is "they were paid to do so" but let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say money wasn't involved. Why were they so hellbent on defending this shit and throwing genuine critics of it under the bus?

>>378350562
Funny enough, they already did that via the "We're so sorry we fucked up" DLC and no one even talked about it

>>378332203
Its still better than DMC 4. Who the fuck thought all that backtracking would be fun in a crazy beatemup game???

The only good things about this game were:

>The club level theme/in general
>The edgy voice screaming SADISTIC

the latter probably wouldn't work in the mainline DMC games though.

>>378350765 here again
Come to think of it, I have seen tons of games journalists rush to the defense of largely-reviled games pre-release or just as they were released. I saw serious defense (and simultaneous shit-talking for those against it) for DmC, Mass Effect 3, Metroid Prime Federation Force, and No Man's Sky off the top of my head. It's not so much that they defend them, but they also have to insult people who don't like them as well. Why do they do this? Do they want to be contrarian? Does it fit their "all gamers are whiny entitled manchildren" narrative when they point out people complaining about something?

>>378350976
DMC4 was made in like 2 years and on completely new tech and hardware.

It was rushed out the door because the heads at Capcom didn't understand making games on PS360 was way more work than last gen.

>>378341227
>small autistic group of faggots
literally nobody in this thread has agreed with you. Why are you so sure that anybody else thinks the same way. Look through the archive and see the quantity of bitching about everything pertaining to DMC besides that scene. While you're at it, find one other anon that agrees with you.

>>378332203
People crying about WHAA ITS NOT DANTE are stupid shits but people who actually tell you that the gameplay is inferior are okay. The game is great if it is your first DMC game but after you spend 100 hours in 3 or 4 you will understand that DmC's combat isnt all that good.

>>378350784
I would forgive them if they apologized but this really is the Kanye of vidya and the dude who thought making Dante "cool" was making him in his own image is the Kanye of devs

Honestly, the up its own ass "attitude" was novel enough that it probably would have gotten a solid fanbase without the DmC baggage

>>378346145
Being autistic means you're socially troubled. If everybody thinks one way and you're the only one who thinks otherwise, you're the autistic one. I'm not sure what mental hoops you're jumping through to convince your self that you aren't autistic but nobody agrees with your "this scene is the sole reason people were upset" fanfic

>>378348634
Frustration towards NT? Yes.

>>378350765
Shallow stylish games with pretty levels and pretensions of intelligence appeal more to games journos who crank through games so quickly

>>378349229
I can accept DMC2 being bad as fans, journalists, and even Capcom called it a blunder but were able to salvage some new things from it to make DMC3 soon after. It also didn't start right off the bat blaming fans for not liking it, saying that they aren't needed anymore, then get pissed off and blame the fans again for not buying it.

DmC killed the series and we only get whispers here and there that a new DMC might be in development.

>>378350765
Journalists are retarded and ironically don't understand games to know that DMC 1, 3, and 4 are way different from DmC and much better. Journalists also despise their audience and love to shit on them because of the "They'll buy it anyway" mentality.

>>378332203
Probably. It would have either completely flew under the radar or maybe even be recognized as I kind of alright action game if it weren't for the retarded PR surrounding it.

>>378351290
>Why do they do this?
Dafuq? are you stupid? Who do you think pays the 'journalists' ?. What do you think marketing is? Ad in a paper?

>>378350765
Because it around the time when people are starting to call out gaming journalists for being paid shills and what not and they were pretty much hopping onto the defense of any game that is getting flak just to be a white knight and say "See? gamers are just being entitled" over again and again.

>>378343383
is this guy the scaruffi or the christgau of vidya reviewers

>>378352432
An old fashioned Nip company like Capcom bribing fucking gaijin bloggers is unlikely

>>378352857
holy shit, pretty much top 20 video review sites/magazines etc are paid shills. Capcom pays just like everybody else.

>>378353151
>holy shit, pretty much top 20 video review sites/magazines etc are paid shills
Source?

>>378332203
I wouldn't say fondly, it would be that "ok-ish" hack n' slash game that everyone forgets about in a month or two.

Also, I don't know why are people in this thread saying that the gameplay was good. No it wasn't. Even if the game didn't have DMC's name attached to it the combat was doing whatever it can to go against the hack n' slash gameplay. One of the examples would be the whole color matching thing with the weapon and the enemies.

>>378332203
Kanye should do a cameo in DMC5
>AYE HOL UP MUNDUS

>>378353928
>One of the examples would be the whole color matching thing with the weapon and the enemies.
I first played the definitive edition, which fixed that and a ton of other issues. It isn't great or anything, but hack n slash isn't the prolific genre it used to be

>it's pronounced Moon-dus, going even as far back as THE FIRST GAME
>DmC pronounces it Mun-dus

I don't even

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>>378332203
I actually love this game and I'm not even ashamed to admit it, the levels were top tier, the story wasn't even bad,I actually enjoyed the boss fights and some parts of this game were really funny like when kill that guys unborn demon child and laugh at him.

I think the hate for this game is highly unwarranted, it's probably the best western action game you'll ever get.

>>378356489
That would be either Afro Samurai or Splatterhouse.

Games of which nobody fucking played, and people seem to conveniently forget Afro Samurai did MGR's shtick years before it came out.

>>378356686
>Those choices

>>378355865
Ya-may-toe

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It would be remembered more if the fans weren't easily butthurt faggots. Prove me wrong. You literally can't.

>>378357432
>It would be remembered more if the fans weren't easily butthurt faggots
I'd call DMC a lot of things, forgotten isnt one of them

>>378357508
Fuck off, DMCbabby

>>378357663
hi tameem

>>378357663
It isnt forgotten, it still makes active threads years later