>hey this game is pretty cool and has some unique themes

Are you seriously complaining about fighting a deity in an SMT game?

He wasn't "literally" god, he was a cognitive god that humans created from their desire to not think for themselves, thereby putting him in line with the game's themes

>>378297823
>complaining you fight gods in a SMT game

look at this dumb faggot

>complaining about fighting God in a Shin Megami Tensei game, a massive series in which the only constant is fighting God every single time

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>>378297932
>>378298890
>>378298965
But it's not SMT.

>>378298965
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Persona 5

>demiurge is god meme

>each palace represents a deadly sin

my brainlet just exploded

>>378297932
>>378298890
>>378298965
I'm sorry, does it say SMT in the title?

>Literally god

Someone wasn't even paying attention. Retards these days...

>>378299175
>>378299235

>literally not satan puts a bullet made of the 7 sins through literally not god's skull

>meme

retards these days

>>378299013
>>378299201
i was waiting for these posts.
took you faggots long enough to get here.

>fighting the final boss
>30 minutes in
>charges up its mega attack
>block
>one-shot anyways
>30 minutes in

oh, okay

>>378299282
>gnostic satan = satan
>gnostic god = god
retards these days

>>378299350
>didn't use buffs

>>378297932
It's not SMT, but it's still part of the megaten franchise in at least some respects, like battle system, or shadows from the collective human unconsciousness, instead of metaphysical demons.

>>378299408
the boss has a spell that removes all buffs

>>378299392
>look i'm a typical christfag on /v/ trying to justify myself playing a sinful game
cultists these days

>>378299350
> Rush to the final boss at level

get rekt faggot

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>>378299392
have you played an smt game ever?

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>>378299392
The only thing I know is that Demi Urge was a fragment of YHVH in Strange Journey. I'm not going to bother learning a mythology that's been rewritten to hell and back depending on which religion is dominant.
Give me the tl;dr version of what's the difference?

>>378298745
I hate the fact that every modern Persona villain has basically been these. I can't remember what Nylarhotep wanted besides winning a bet but I'm pretty sure it was different.

>>378299492
>i don't know mythology so I'll just call him names
underage these days

P5 is my first SMT/Persona game. I like it but godDAMN does it have a lot of unnecessary dialogue. Almost every conversation is a retread of a previous conversation, or just plain unnecessary.

Like, lets say you're in a dungeon, and you find a keycard. In another game, the cutscene might go like this:
Party Member A: "Hey, we found a keycard!"
Party Member B: "Now we can get through those locked doors, let's go!"
And then that would be it and the keycard would never be brought up again.

In Persona 5, the conversation goes something like this:
Member A: "Oh, a keycard!"
Member B: "We saw some locked doors on the way here, do you think we could use this to open them?"
Member C: "It's possible. We should take it with us, just in case."
Member D: "Here, you take it MC-kun."
Member E: "Very good, let's go!"

Then you get to the locked door, and you get
Member A: "This door appears to be locked."
Member B: "We picked up a keycard earlier, do you think we can use it to open the door?"
Member C: "It's worth a try. Go ahead MC-kun."
*MC opens door*
Member D: "It opened!"
Member E: "Alright, now we can proceed further!"
Member A: "We're making good progress, let's go!"

It easily doubles the length of the game just reading all this shit, and even if you mash through it, you're still going to be loading in and out of a ton of text message conversations which have no need to exist.

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>>378297823
>says he is A god created from man's desires
>HURRRRR WHY DO WE FIGHT GOD
We have this thread almost every other day, come on now, and post your favorite girl already

>>378299585
>can't come up with a real argument
summer these days

>>378299529
Yeah and you only fight him at most twice.

>>378299506
what? can you try again in english?

>>378297823
Because nips are still anally devastated about being defeated and conquered by filthy gaijin, but usually don't want to admit that openly, so they insert whatever barbs against the West and its God they can. That's all there is to it.

You may notice that it is never Buddha, and even if you fight some Japanese bitch deity, you'll be helped by some other Japanese deities.

>>378299631
>i can't refute his argument so i ignore it
phone posters these days

why are every single jrpg's scenario complete shit?

>>378299470
Don't spam buffs, he wont always use it especially if you only have like a marakukaja active and have him tarunda'd. If you stack your team with all 3 buffs then yeah he'll always Dekaja.

>>378299682
>Buddha
What is Steven in Apocalypse? Or, y'know.. Mitra-Bhuddha
SMT doesn't care about what bitch ass diety you beat up.

>>378299587
I got so pissed because of the floor puzzle in Mementos at the end. When you first come across it they take fucking years to discuss it. I swear it still takes like 2 minutes to get through even if you fast forward through all the dialog.
It was bad enough the first time, but then I had to go through it two more times because those fucks with Brainwash fucked my shit in half

>>378299350
Kill the arms. I don't think your navigator mentions that you're supposed to do this, and yes it's BS that she doesn't.

MegaTen has been rehashing the same Law/Chaos crap for 20+ years with nothing interesting new to say about it.

I mean the first SMT game I played was an amazing experience, but every new one I try just feels like the same shit in a different package. Persona 5 was the first one that felt like it almost did something different.

>>378299753
>not worth green text
reddit these days

>>378299580
Near wasn't really anything different. He was born from the collective unconscious of every negative emotion, the only difference being that he had an ego .

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>>378299928
Floor puzzles are my favorite in RPGs but that shit was so casualized it might as well have been a narrow corridor. Why are nips so weak willed.

>>378299549
I think it's just a high power being that governs a material world it created but is still separate from the true "one" of the universe

>>378299682
Fuck off, /pol/

>>378297823
at the end of the day, every adversity faced by anyone is God, because God is the name we give to the universe in which we play

>>378299682
>P3's climax is the MC sealing away a greek god with the power of Jesus
checkmate, /pol/

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Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never-ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god that blessed us with this cryptic puzzle, and wonder if we’ll ever have the chance to kill him

>>378300029
they tried to make it as hand holdy as possible toO by stopping you every time you did literally anything
"huh, if we press this button the floor lights up'
'try pressing the button again. wow the lights turned off'
'Huh, the color changes when you step on them."
'wow they changed back when you stepped on them again'
FUTABA SHUT THE FUCK

>>378299549
Demiurge woke up in an unshapen universe, looked around, concluded "I made this", and started shaping it. Demiurge is willfully ignorant that he is in fact the spawn of Sophia, Aeon of wisdom, and that his existence is far from ultimate.

Demiurge is how the Gnostics view YHVH

>>378299682
Didn't finish it, but isn't DDS purely the Indian pantheon?

>>378300329
I know that the player is supposed to solve them to pretend that we actually do something besides carry the team in battles, but it's annoying when Makoto/Futaba tells you exactly HOW the puzzle works, but their super intellect doesn't extend 5% further to solving it.

>>378299954
all the arms come back at full health for the charge attack

>m-muh SMT

It's Megami Ibunroku you uncultured swine

>>378300256
I also played NieR Automata, faggot.

>>378300608
It has the same demons you donut.

>>378300608
And you're point is? It's all the same game series that's being referred to at the end of the day.

>>378299928
There is nothing wrong with characters discussing the environment, but why do they have to stop dead in their tracks to do it? Can't it all be background chatter like the car dialogue? And speaking of car dialogue, why is that shit interrupted by literally everything you do?

>>378301032
One thing I miss from P3/P4 is party members commenting on or congratulating each other's actions. In 5, only Mona/Oracle comment when party members score kills and knock downs.

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>>378301128
>WAY TO GO, YUKA-TAN
versus
>Oh Skull, you're pathetic
P3 cast best cast.

>>378300256
t. White
*explodes multiverse*

>>378301032
climate-change-denier detected

>>378299954
>>378300503
Futaba does tell you to take out the arms during the second attempt, and you CAN break them during the charge. Not to mention you get a 100% free turn to buff and heal before you're forced to block.

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>>378299282
Demiurge is a false God.

Satanael is an angel who rebelled against Demiurge after realizing that.

>>378302142
Yeah, Yaldy takes two turns to charge his attack, and his arms won't do anything, so either:
>Heal/Marakukaja/Debilitate after first turn charging
>Guard after second turn charging
or
>Charge/Tarukaja on MC after first turn charging
>Hassou Tobi after second turn charging, and fucking pray

>>378302336
Why does this have so many parallels with Lucy and god though?
Was it created to belittle the beliefs of another religion?

>>378302596
Because it's all literally born from public cognition of God and Devil.

>>378299682

>Nocturne
>Main antagonist/Final Boss of all but 1 route is Kagutsuchi
>Shinto god
>No real assistance aside from your demons or Lucifer

>Persona 4
>Final boss is Izanami
>The Izanagi the protagonist uses is his inner self that manifests as the Shinto god

>SMT4 Apocalypse
>Antagonists for the majority of the game is the Divine Powers
>Led by Hindu (Krishna, Vishnu), Norse (Odin), Buddhism (Matreiya)
>Also is noted to have many members of Shinto in their numbers
>Your only real demonic help is Dagda, an irish god

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>all your rank 10 confidants cheer you on during the final boss

>Yaldy enters stance to counter all attacks with SP drain
>try to debuff him
>get SP drained

dammit I thought that wouldn't count

So, in order to max rank a girl confidant I need to romance her?

Can't I just stay true to one waifu?

>>378303989
no

>>378303989
No, if you reject them the social link moves forward anyways and has an alternate ending.
Not like there's any consequences to cheating on your waifu anyways.

>>378297823

>P5 last boss is God

Mate... in all Persona games last bosses are Gods.

>>378303989
You can just be friends, most girls take it pretty well.

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>>378304197
except haru who cries

>>378297932
>>378298890
>>378304181
It's not an SMT-exclusive thing, the anon was asking why every JRPG final boss is god (or some sort of god expy), how do you guys manage to focus on the most irrelevant part of every question ever every time

>>378303057
It's not like SMT/Persona doesn't have Jap wank though. For all the God-killing you never defeat Masakado completely, there's always an excuse like he's not at full power, only testing you, etc. In IV's case you just kind of calm him down

>>378303156
Sp drain is almighty, just like Megido.

Seven Deadly Sins is such a retarded overused motif.

>>378304197
>>378304567
I was surprised how cock hungry Chihaya was.

>>378305853
>abused by people in her home town
>heads to the city, gets taken advantage of by everybody
>cockhungry for the first guy who is genuinely nice to her
It's not the most out-of-place instance of it I think

Sins are what make us human, though.

>>378306783
but so is friendship and hope and all the lessons I learned from sucking up to this one guy that ate 2 burgers a day for a week

Were the deadly sins status effects at the end actually supposed to do something?
When it started targeting characters with appropriate debuffs i.e. Makoto with wrath, Yusuke with vanity etc I thought there would be a little cutscene playing out related to each sin and character but nothing seemed to really happen.

>>378298890
>>378298965
Even then you fight a God at the end of every Persona game as well.

>>378297823
The 7 deadly sins theme is foreshadowed pretty goddamn hard.

By the time you've cleared out Kamoshida's castle of Lust and Madarame's museum of Vanity, it shouldn't take a genius to figure out where the game is going with it.

>>378299013
>>378299201
That explains why it's good.

>>378309945
You're bullshitting. The game's plot wasn't that thematic until Yaldy is revealed and even then it only makes becomes clear in retrospect.

>>378310678
>>378309945
What's the tomb and casino meant to represent?

>>378311462
wrath and envy

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>>378312103
>Sae
>jealousy
I don't get it

>>378303096

>YOU ARE ALL TRULY CAUSING A REVOLUTION RIGHT NOW. GOOOO!

>>378312103
I guess I don't know the terminology behinds the sins because everything between the museum and cruiser doesn't make sense to me.

>>378312205
Literally jealous of male privilege.

this is every smt and persona game ever you potato

>>378303096
Barely maxed anyone on my first playthrough so that part was pretty pathetic for me, I just had the same 3 guys cheering me on each time

>>378312483
>shilling_for_your_friends_game.txt

>>378298965
You don't necessarily fight God in Raidou 1.

>>378299801
I got him into a loop for about 6 turns where I'd marakukaja my team and rakunda him, and he dekaja'd every turn. It let me get some pretty serious damage in on him, since I was alternating concentrate on Ann and Charge on Ryuji.

>>378312103
Isn't Sloth one of the deadly sins? Where did it disappear to?

>>378312205
She was jealous of how easy it was for men to progress their careers. She mentioned it several times over the course of the game, how much harder it would be for Makoto to have a good career just because she's a woman and how they lived in a society dominated by men.

I think she was also a bit jealous of how much Makoto loved their father, and once he died and Sae had to take over as the parental figure, Makoto never really loved her the same way.

>>378312205
She works in a male-dominated field and has to resort to shady tactics in order to win cases, because the only way she can get respect from the men who don't take her seriously is to win over, and over, and over again.

>>378312772
mementos

What's the deal with the extra options during boss fights, like painting over Madarame? Is there a reason to not go for them? The fights seem easy enough without them, so why are they there?

>>378312205
Has a forced confidant with the MC but still doesn't get the dick at the end of it anyway like every other chick does

>>378313079
Because I don't want to fucking throw my balm of life away when I have enough damage to knock him off the ball anyway.

>>378313079
Just makes them easier. Sae's one is required to progress the battle and if you go into the battle with solo Joker what instead happens is Futaba shits on Sae for cheating in a 1v1 so Sae snaps and goes straight into her second phase.

>>378313234
Wait, really? I'll have to try that on NG+

>>378313079
It's just supposed to make them easier. After the first boss I actually was able to end boss fights before those options even presented themselves, except for Sae's and the Holy Grail, since they're both mandatory.

>>378313026
Oh.

>>378313285
Yeah, the battle starts as normal but when you get to the bit where you'd normally send someone to snipe the glass roof on the roulette wheel you get that instead.

>>378313364
Yeah, I just tried it for Madarame's and it almost fucked me over. Before Ann even threw the paint I had almost beaten it, but having one less party member put me in a worse position for no reason.

>>378297823
I kek'd when I realized they literally went for the teenagers killing god trope. Felt more self-aware than unoriginal.

>>378312419

>Gluttony
While usually used to refer to eating a lot (and Kaneshiro aint exactly skinny), it means over-consumption of everything, including money. For someone who steals money to live a high-life as Yakuza, it fits

Kaneshiro's Palace was a bank not only because of his love of money and because banks are places everywhere pays into. As far as he was concerned, Shibuya should pay into him. Fairly standard

>Wrath
Futaba may initially seem like she represents Sloth initially, Futaba's shadow pushes her to strive for vengeance against the adults that lied to her and killed her mother

Futaba's palace was a pyramid, which is a tomb. A lot of her issues are based around the death of her mother and her resignation to being sealed away by her neuroses. Additionally, the cognitive version of her mother acts as a sort of 'guard dog' preventing her escaping, as long as she blames herself for her death

>Greed
Okumura's greed was great enough that he treated other people as trash for his own gain. He overworked his employees and used his daughter to get himself in with a politician against her wishes.

His palace is the spaceport, not only because of his desire, the space toy his father couldn't afford because he was too kind of a businessman, but because he sees himself as the overlord of his minions. Fitting, considering he sees himself rising to politics

>Jealousy
Sae is jealous of the achievements she will never attain because the promotion she feels she deserves is yanked from her time and time again. She goes into shady tactics to get the victory she needs, but it's never enough to satisfy her peers

The Casino is from how she sees the only way to move on up is to take the massive risks that she does. And in the end, the ones at the top, the House, always win regardless of what you do, with all the odds rigged against you

>>378313364

Is it possible to beat Cognitive Isshiki without the ballista?

>>378313653
One of the strongest protagonist in MegaTen is 15 years old and can become a god after kicking YHVH's shit in hard.

>>378313731
Right, I forgot about the ballista. I guess that's another mandatory one.

>>378313731
>>378315034
Cognitive Wakaba is still vulnerable to gun and magic, unless she has a BS healing mechanic like the Holy Grail. Of course, you don't have good options for gun damage prior to that fight if on a non-Safe NG run.